< 1721174502 473674 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:6c16:b559:7ab2:1178 QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1721174610 933008 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1721174776 62130 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1721174806 968785 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.147.205 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1721175368 50048 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072dL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133184&oldid=133174 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+115) 10Categories > 1721175457 749707 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072dL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133185&oldid=133184 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* examples */ Category < 1721175552 69129 :X-Scale1!~X-Scale@83.223.248.7 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1721175703 353255 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.147.205 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1721176176 938276 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1721176268 928511 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1721176303 857469 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1721176381 184593 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1721176427 420617 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1721176525 995557 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1721176947 970449 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :guaranteed to not behave anticausally < 1721177011 968292 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1721177721 260264 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1721177841 575129 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1721178082 657330 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1721178110 566144 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1721178352 58902 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1721178371 853195 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-060.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1721179178 896256 :Melvar!~melvar@dslc-082-082-054-123.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN #esolangs Melvar :melvar < 1721179614 856025 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1721180529 661493 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1721181109 545956 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1721181738 635638 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1721182123 487075 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1721182420 641970 :salpynx!~salpynx@101.53.216.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1721183811 316842 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133186&oldid=133122 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+200) 10 > 1721183861 613634 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133187&oldid=133186 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+88) 10 > 1721184963 817210 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cantor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133188&oldid=133133 5* 03Joe 5* (+29) 10 > 1721185004 163390 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cantor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133189&oldid=133188 5* 03Joe 5* (+1) 10inifnite loop example > 1721185015 745547 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cantor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133190&oldid=133189 5* 03Joe 5* (+0) 10fixed page > 1721185029 514197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Joe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133191&oldid=127917 5* 03Joe 5* (+13) 10 < 1721186029 624329 :razetime!~razetime@117.254.36.82 JOIN #esolangs razetime :realname < 1721186171 298348 :razetime!~razetime@117.254.36.82 QUIT :Client Quit < 1721187766 996374 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Excess Flood < 1721188068 786890 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1721188372 652185 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1721189028 448986 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1721189426 656754 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1721189444 365275 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1721189935 583079 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Excess Flood < 1721190130 103828 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron > 1721190731 24631 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Alphabet letters14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133192&oldid=100854 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+148) 10/* The links are dead. */ new section < 1721191762 31931 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1721191839 902289 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1721191954 73251 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1721192131 409502 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1721192159 352896 :X-Scale1!~X-Scale@83.223.248.7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1721192801 173535 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1721193192 961830 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1721193303 978916 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1721193453 543189 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1721193596 380828 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Excess Flood < 1721194095 888077 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron > 1721194216 386204 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PrySigneToFry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133193&oldid=133062 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+346) 10 < 1721194222 758156 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1721194231 932657 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PrySigneToFry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133194&oldid=133193 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+0) 10 < 1721194550 650043 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should also try polyaboloes, which are made of tans (equilateral right triangles) that are half of a grid square on the square grid, such that you can only halve each grid square one way, but if you have both halves of a grid square then you can't distinguish which way it's halved, and for connectivity two tans are neighbors if they share an edge. these at least have the same possible symmetries as < 1721194556 657030 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :polyominoes and polykings, but are complicated and kind of esoteric in other ways, so I can develop the enumeration and a visualization routine without having to pay attention to the symmetry groups part. < 1721195653 659480 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I noticed list of games on b_jonas's user page; I also like Hero Hearts (and wrote my own implementation of So Broken in the Free Hero Mesh programming language), and I and some other people like to play Pokemon which is different from the Pokemon card game. Also, "Netrunner is Turing-complete" is linked from somewhere, specifically, that Todo list (I don't know where else to put it though). < 1721195702 812397 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :And, although ICFP 2014 GCC and GHC there are articles, they do not include any documentations, examples, etc; maybe it is worth to be added some < 1721195840 968320 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I think my "XGCC" article describes a superset, so you could copy parts of that article and change some of it to ignore the irrelevant parts (e.g. the way the stops are working)) < 1721195947 465907 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, I don't know if a category should be added for IOCCC. And, the link for the OpenTTD is not working correctly; it says error < 1721196018 830196 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Possibly some other computers in http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/ringhome.html" also is not working (if you have another copy of that or remember what was written, then I will hope that you can write that) < 1721196509 385967 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space QUIT :Server closed connection < 1721196525 652878 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space JOIN #esolangs SoniEx2 :Genders: Autgender, 💜🖤💚; Soni L. > 1721198686 237429 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas/Polyminoes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133195&oldid=133180 5* 03B jonas 5* (+2) 10 < 1721198841 551357 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1721199968 679263 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1721200221 285922 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1721200370 381235 :nitrix!~nitrix@user/meow/nitrix QUIT :Server closed connection < 1721200391 78542 :nitrix!~nitrix@user/meow/nitrix JOIN #esolangs nitrix :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1721200732 393406 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1721201248 941144 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1721201564 366922 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07H+Q914]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133196&oldid=118848 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+52) 10 < 1721201799 175920 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 QUIT :Server closed connection < 1721201812 859666 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 JOIN #esolangs * :b_jonas < 1721202212 895104 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1721202237 293007 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1721202987 344856 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1721203149 856411 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/ringhome.html is or was a list of homepages about esoteric computer hardware, including at least http://www.homebrewcpu.com/ (on https://esolangs.org/wiki/Magic-1 ), see notes on the bottom of http://www.homebrewcpu.com/ < 1721203223 141935 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :games on b_jonas's user page => I try to put mostly games where I have evidence that at least two channel regulars are playing the same game, because those are the ones where we have the most useful discussions < 1721203270 876779 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Netrunner is Turing-complete" is linked from somewhere => yes, that TODO item was because I'd like it linked from the main namespace so that https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?search=netrunner doesn't come up empty > 1721203365 521178 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133197&oldid=133167 5* 03B jonas 5* (-6) 10/* Todo */ fix link to OpenTTD > 1721203438 357025 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133198&oldid=133197 5* 03B jonas 5* (-226) 10/* Todo */ > 1721203595 256006 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133199&oldid=133198 5* 03B jonas 5* (+83) 10 > 1721203650 323448 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Trilime14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133200&oldid=119405 5* 03B jonas 5* (-9) 10Marking as not a stub because there isn't much more you can write about this topic. > 1721203777 684234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07XRay14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133201 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1533) 10Created page with "{{WIP}} XRay is designed by PSTF. It is for expanding HQ9+. == Requirements == # No uncomputable command. # No joke command. # No command longer than 100 character. # If your program includes the arguments, then they must marked with bold or italic. == Command Tabl > 1721203866 959191 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133202&oldid=132937 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+11) 10 > 1721203978 744675 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072dL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133203&oldid=133185 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+15) 10 > 1721204136 887424 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133204&oldid=133199 5* 03B jonas 5* (+207) 10/* Todo */ CPUs by BMOW > 1721204375 901585 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133205&oldid=133204 5* 03B jonas 5* (+122) 10/* Todo */ Mark 1 FORTH > 1721204437 363262 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072dL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133206&oldid=133203 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-2) 10 > 1721204545 302586 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133207&oldid=133205 5* 03B jonas 5* (+56) 10/* Todo */ D16/M > 1721205395 21099 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope. without a quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133208&oldid=132834 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+102) 10 > 1721205511 55806 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:SyntaxError: invalid syntax14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133209 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+67) 10/* An abbreviation for this Esolang */ new section > 1721205623 761235 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072dL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133210&oldid=133206 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+203) 10 > 1721205808 258454 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133211&oldid=132027 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+109) 10/* Implementations */ > 1721205823 64394 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:No.pe.14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133212 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+296) 10/* I have a Cheating Quine. */ new section > 1721205888 521831 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:No.pe.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133213&oldid=133212 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+91) 10 > 1721205905 537184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133214&oldid=132176 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+11) 10/* examples */ > 1721205906 612345 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133215&oldid=133086 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1) 10 > 1721206000 707863 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133216&oldid=133214 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+61) 10/* normal commands */ > 1721206056 562378 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133217&oldid=133216 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-17) 10 > 1721206662 199748 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Division14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133218&oldid=113413 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+429) 10 > 1721206692 559594 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Division14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133219&oldid=133218 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+2) 10 > 1721207178 556708 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133220&oldid=131667 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+2) 10/* Programs */ > 1721207403 584291 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133221&oldid=133220 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+75) 10 > 1721207812 223023 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133222&oldid=133217 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+25) 10 > 1721208073 388758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133223 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+126) 10Created page with "Is is turing complete. Like you can simulate bf in it! Like this(3 cell): * start program with rR * > is > * and < is < * , is" > 1721208111 42081 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133224&oldid=133223 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+5) 10 > 1721208184 557225 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133225&oldid=133224 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+11) 10 > 1721208452 717846 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133226&oldid=133222 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+71) 10/* register commands */ > 1721209384 575871 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133227&oldid=133226 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-70) 10 > 1721209665 10320 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133228&oldid=133227 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-2) 10 > 1721209824 691733 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133229&oldid=133225 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+70) 10 < 1721211430 931272 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.146.189 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1721211592 331401 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:3dda:c59a:22c4:9658 JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1721213749 352667 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.146.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1721213833 346913 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Hanzifuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133230&oldid=125824 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+328) 10 > 1721213896 451831 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Hanzifuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133231&oldid=133230 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+15) 10 < 1721214419 222757 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened < 1721214437 872001 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( > 1721214773 842531 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Cat 01.png10]]" > 1721214907 330702 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chordfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133233 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+842) 10Created page with "Chordfuck is based on music and brainfuck. == Command Table == {| class="wikitable" |+ Command Table |- ! Chordfuck !! Brainfuck |- | Major || > |- | Minor || < |- | Augmented || + |- | Diminished || - 1721214924 270759 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chordfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133234&oldid=133233 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+0) 10 < 1721215816 919251 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.203.130 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1721217460 815544 :xaos!gilesgate@sdfeu.org QUIT :Quit: ola xaos < 1721217816 962376 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1721217947 641222 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs mtm :Textual User < 1721218021 3780 :jjrubes!~JJRubes@1.147.58.99 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1721218036 393592 :jjrubes!~JJRubes@1.147.58.99 QUIT :Client Quit < 1721218505 377159 :korvo!~Corbin@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 QUIT :Server closed connection < 1721218881 254223 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Server closed connection < 1721218954 986642 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen < 1721219337 669617 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1721219354 342897 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1721219393 358843 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.203.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1721219729 393134 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` objdump -T /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/{libc.so.6,libncurses.so.6.1,libm-2.28.so} | perl -ne 'if ("*UND*" ne substr($_,25,5)) { $s = substr($_,47)=~s/\A\h*\S+\h+(?=\S)//r; if ($s=~/\A(\S{1,3})\s/) {print "$1 ";} } END{print" ;\n"}'; < 1721219730 690840 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :div ffs tee brk err dup ftw abs nl box tan y0 y1 pow sin yn cos fma erf nan j0 j1 exp j0f j0l jnf jnl j1f jn j1l y0f y0l ynf ynl y1f y1l log ; < 1721219748 489473 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` objdump -T /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/{libc.so.6,libncurses.so.6.1} | perl -ne 'if ("*UND*" ne substr($_,25,5)) { $s = substr($_,47)=~s/\A\h*\S+\h+(?=\S)//r; if ($s=~/\A(\S{4})\s/) {print "$1 ";} } END{print" ;\n"}'; < 1721219749 753689 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :getc l64a gets a64l getw acct exit wait pipe verr putc _res puts fork putw gtty time step kill sbrk mmap feof ldiv swab send warn glob glob fcvt bind read dup2 dup3 poll ftok recv rand ffsl modf nice rcmd sstk atof atoi atol stty open iopl ecvt labs link errx loc1 loc2 sync bcmp nftw nftw gcvt locs free echo bkgd nonl scrl inch move beep ; < 1721219763 534779 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` objdump -T /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.28.so | perl -ne 'if ("*UND*" ne substr($_,25,5)) { $s = substr($_,47)=~s/\A\h*\S+\h+(?=\S)//r; if ($s=~/\A(\S{4})\s/) {print "$1 ";} } END{print" ;\n"}'; < 1721219765 88845 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fadd acos fmin cexp cabs modf fmod clog ctan fdim fdiv fmul conj sqrt cpow rint csin ceil tanf tanh carg tanl cosf cosh cosl ccos powf powf powl drem cbrt exp2 expf expf expl atan nanf fmaf nanl fmal fmax sinf fsub sinh sinl log2 logb logf logf logl asin erfc fabs erff erfl ; < 1721219790 653607 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.205.65.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl QUIT :Server closed connection < 1721219805 317135 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.205.65.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull < 1721219849 949011 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :short symbol names. very long ago I tried to define one of the very short ones (probably j0 or y0) as a global in a C program and the program failed to work. that's when I found out about these. < 1721219870 633761 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course this doesn't help if you collide with macros or language keywords. < 1721220305 317149 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I've been bitten by j0/j1 before. They're relatively obscure. < 1721220545 930183 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.147.88 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1721221349 347407 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :As for libncurses, besides its short symbols (nl box echo bkgd nonl scrl inch move beep), I'd like to shout out erase and clear. Libc of course has remove, which is a C standard function. All three (erase remove clear) have additional completely different meanings in the C++ standard library, but there it appears only in mangled C++ symbols. < 1721221349 865732 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, "clean" somehow seems to be not yet squatted, at least by these libraries. < 1721221520 430040 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wow, "Clean" is somehow not yet used in M:tG too. why is that not in the list on https://scryfall.com/card/unh/10/erase-(not-the-urzas-legacy-one) then? < 1721221632 908509 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1721221679 668608 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so (clean delete flush purge) are *ahem* free < 1721221803 396626 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :In M:tG, Delete got recently used up, while Clean and Free are still free. < 1721222131 404898 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` whatis clean clear < 1721222132 798855 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :CLEAR(1) - clear the terminal screen \ clear(1) - clear the terminal screen \ clear(3x) - clear all or part of a curses window \ clear(8jevalbot) - delete a persistent session \ clean(8jevalbot) - change to the default persistent session and delete it < 1721222139 436841 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` whatis free < 1721222140 817536 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :free(1) - Display amount of free and used memory in the system \ free(3) - allocate and free dynamic memory \ free(3p) - free allocated memory \ free(8lambdabot) - no description \ free(3glibc) - Freeing after Malloc < 1721222150 641418 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` whatis remove erase delete < 1721222151 943334 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :erase(3x) - clear all or part of a curses window \ remove(3) - remove a file or directory \ remove(3p) - remove a file \ remove(3glibc) - Deleting Files \ delete: nothing appropriate. < 1721222161 666777 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` whatis flush purge wipe scrub rub ablate abrade chafe fray frazzle scuff < 1721222163 895819 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :flush: nothing appropriate. \ purge: nothing appropriate. \ wipe: nothing appropriate. \ scrub: nothing appropriate. \ rub: nothing appropriate. \ ablate: nothing appropriate. \ abrade: nothing appropriate. \ chafe: nothing appropriate. \ fray: nothing appropriate. \ frazzle: nothing appropriate. \ scuff: nothing appropriate. < 1721222454 494897 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I should add cmd builtins and DOS commands to the whatisdb < 1721222552 521574 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(because erase is both of those, to be clear) < 1721222627 118086 :fellow!fellow@user/fellow QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1721222731 66004 :fellow!~fellow@user/fellow JOIN #esolangs fellow :fellow < 1721223677 357858 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.147.88 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1721223757 100488 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` > /hackenv/share/whatis < 1721223760 330159 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1721223765 609651 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`whatis erase < 1721223767 4040 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :erase(3x) - clear all or part of a curses window \ ERASE(1cmd) - Deletes one or more files. < 1721223858 828294 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 JOIN #esolangs Corbin :korvo < 1721224068 159806 :Ae`!Ae@linux.touz.org QUIT :Server closed connection < 1721224140 943195 :Ae`!Ae@linux.touz.org JOIN #esolangs * :Ae > 1721224145 916175 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HackEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133235&oldid=95414 5* 03B jonas 5* (+433) 10/* The wisdom and quote databases */ > 1721224364 501205 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TheCanon214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133236&oldid=133143 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+18) 10 < 1721224497 911817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1721224630 215672 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh right, I could have just piped that into addwhatis instead of appending to the file. though I still needed the grep, for some reason addwhatis warns about empty lines. > 1721225095 950154 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07$!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133237 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+371) 10Added $! > 1721225234 736859 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133238&oldid=133187 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+109) 10 < 1721226321 758966 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Would it make any sense to put the core BytePusher processing inside an audio worklet? < 1721226998 681228 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have something incredibly cursed to share with you < 1721227668 683659 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :use rot13? :P < 1721229005 95022 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: huh, "delete" wasn't even in the flavor text of "Erase (Not the Urza's Legacy One)" in the first place < 1721229009 883541 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :was checking to see if it had been crossed off < 1721229015 837071 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe it wasn't funny enough < 1721229098 967280 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it doesn't make sense as a synonym for "remove artwork", even though it is a synonym for "erase" < 1721229134 587503 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1721229575 673780 :fowl!~fowl@user/fowl PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://arxiv.org/pdf/2406.19108 is there a better esolang to use for this than brainfuck? < 1721229647 260835 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, it seems they mostly listed obscure synonyms there < 1721229701 506837 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.19108 ) < 1721230009 649302 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fowl: a) almost certainly yes, but b) I can't think of a specific example offhand < 1721230028 268487 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this sort of experiment would work best with languages where slightly modifying a program gave you slightly modified behaviour < 1721230031 201348 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but most languages don't work like that < 1721230033 939806 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe that flavor text counts "used" in a more general sense, eg. "cleanse" is not listed because there's a "Cleansing", "wipe" and "clean" is not listed because there's a "Wipe Clean". though that doesn't explain why "delete" is missing. maybe they wanted to leave some ambiguity so the flavor text reads better in the future and/or doesn't spoil < 1721230034 426074 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :near future sets < 1721230071 25633 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, Unhinged was quite a while ago by this point – it's back when I was actually playing, which is not at all recent < 1721230075 644534 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I stopped playing during Lorwyn) < 1721230134 361628 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am a bit surprised that the word "Brainfuck" [sic] was used in an apparently serious mathematical paper without censoring it < 1721230157 368684 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, wow, every use is at the start of a sentence or in a title < 1721230161 351410 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so maybe it isn't misspelled after all < 1721230201 717349 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: mathematics papers already use terms that you can't take on an airplane, "Brainfuck" is mild compared to those < 1721230737 152173 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for ohter M:tG card names, there are cards named Annihilate, Reap, Assassinate, Murder, Slay, "Kill! Destroy!", Killer, Death. The first two are old, the last two are split cards. The split cards are a bit of a pity, Death would be a nice name for an Incarnation creature. There is no card yet called just "Kill" or "Destroy" or "Die". < 1721230788 333893 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is no "Pass away" or "Decease" either. > 1721230864 545805 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07$!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133239&oldid=133237 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+700) 10Finished the article. > 1721231192 886167 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07$!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133240&oldid=133239 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (-4) 10Fixed an arguably stupid mistake I made. < 1721231710 799948 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1721232998 627680 :sprout!~quassel@2a02-a448-3a80-0-1da5-990b-8c01-534d.fixed6.kpn.net QUIT :Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1721233085 727090 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: How's the Hydra research going? Are you still on it? < 1721233148 344597 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wasn't sure whether you saw my note the other day. I proved that Hydra's sequence is highly patterned *and* that the pattern is evenly distributed (mod 2**k), not just (mod 2). < 1721233391 338516 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://imgur.com/a/hydra-diagram-Mw5UbX2 shows the basic idea for the (mod 4) case. Each of the (mod 2) transitions comes apart into two (mod 4) transitions. < 1721233459 420012 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The extreme symmetry continues all the way up (verified (mod 8) by hand) because 3 is always coprime to 2**k. This is sufficient to fully explain Hydra's behavior IMO; it probviously tends towards these diagrams after some initial segment. < 1721233697 715867 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1721233746 938765 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also note that indeed "maths is not ready for such problems" as Erdös said. The issue here is that the induction is permanently fenceposted; in order to justify the (mod 2) case, we need to already have the (mod 4) case partially done, and so on. The induction is just not there. < 1721234143 911815 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc82623-woki8-2-0-cust106.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs DHeadshot :Deadly Headshot < 1721234284 253971 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1721234701 441849 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : ais523: How's the Hydra research going? Are you still on it? ← I've been thinking about it a bit but haven't really started > 1721234755 778916 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07XRay14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133241&oldid=133201 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+91) 10 < 1721234756 703676 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was mostly thinking about implementing it efficiently – the Collatz function in question can be pretty efficiently implemented by a cellular automaton that stores the numbers in octal (allowing 8, 9, and 10 as digits in addition to the usual ones), which means that hashlife-style implementations may be able to speed itu p < 1721235056 170639 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, that's an interesting approach. The idea is to turn powers of two into powers of three? < 1721235169 208503 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :doing a multiplication by 3 in octal is fairly simple, you just do long multiplication, but to save having to propagate the carry you just add the carry from the digit below to the least significant digit of the result < 1721235222 89637 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. 15A (octal) × 3 = 0300 + 150 + 36 = 0486 < 1721235251 942359 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err < 1721235256 728911 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. 15A (octal) × 3 = 0300 + 170 + 36 = 04A6 < 1721235277 277058 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, did the eights digit in decimal by mistake < 1721235317 8732 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this makes it possible to use local reasoning to do the multiplications, and the odd/even collatz stuff is also easy to implement in a cellular automaton < 1721235392 397847 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and of course, dividing by 2 in octal is trivial) < 1721235475 890110 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown > 1721235673 414977 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133242&oldid=133156 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-723) 10/* Idea 4(done) */ < 1721236192 750488 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nice. This starts to really connect the dots WRT Erdös' conjecture that 2**k can't be written as a sum of powers of three for k>8. That one also can be phrased with a base change, using trinary. < 1721236789 894728 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my plan was to not do the divisions by 2 in the automaton itself and instead just have the LSB gradually move to the left – if you do implement the divisions you probably have to add B/11 as a digit in addition to the other ten < 1721236836 64196 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, implementing the division is probably more efficient as it means that many fewer colors are needed to handle the least-significant digit < 1721236850 313534 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I think this conversation has changed the plan :-) < 1721236856 56457 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1721237924 573496 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Counterintuitive but understandable. Good luck. < 1721237969 929477 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc82623-woki8-2-0-cust106.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1721238171 345485 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm... I could try to make an eso-captcha system from the polyforms enumeration later: I'd show an image of one of these classes of polyforms with their positions and orientations randomized, and you have to point at the one duplicate pair or enter the missing one into a grid < 1721238369 528530 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"enter the missing one" would be hard for humans – finding duplicates is a bit easier < 1721238371 864622 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc82623-woki8-2-0-cust106.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs DHeadshot :Deadly Headshot < 1721238414 717066 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and would also give a better UI) < 1721238756 101548 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc82623-woki8-2-0-cust106.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1721238954 152926 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh jesus < 1721238975 693151 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not only is it "polyomino" with an extra vowel, it's also "polyiamond" rather than "polyamond". > 1721239012 688103 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas/Polyminoes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133243&oldid=133195 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1) 10spelling is "polyiamonds" < 1721239152 120262 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think, when English adds a prefix ending in a vowel to a word starting with a vowel, it's more common to drop the vowel from the prefix than the vowel from the stem < 1721239204 170821 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"monomial" is a weird case (compared to "polynomial" there are two letters overlapping between the prefix and stem), although in that one the letters are the same so you can't tell which were kept < 1721239379 125391 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@wn monomial < 1721239381 864684 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :No match for "monomial". < 1721240474 881173 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1721240515 425094 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1721240837 648881 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1721240856 963694 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1721241013 672530 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1721241234 233017 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133244&oldid=133202 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+12) 10/* N */ Added Nulla > 1721241303 667289 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133245&oldid=133244 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+10) 10/* H */ Added H > 1721241350 962298 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133246&oldid=133245 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+9) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ Added $! < 1721241508 234031 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, so is there a table or rulebook somewhere that gives all these words (polyform, polyomino, polyabolo, polyiamond, polyhex) and their versions when prefixed with specific small numbers eg. tetromino, hexiamond, plus the plurals for all of these? < 1721241538 937125 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc82623-woki8-2-0-cust106.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs DHeadshot :Deadly Headshot < 1721242036 245235 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz… > 1721250162 502454 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GEMROOTD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133253&oldid=35196 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+155) 10Categories > 1721250201 604785 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gemooy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133254&oldid=122673 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* External resources */ Category > 1721250338 137146 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zame14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133255&oldid=36681 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+58) 10Categories < 1721250391 957619 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.235.244 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1721250546 956546 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gen Alpha14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133256&oldid=127985 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+72) 10Distinguish confusion, add category > 1721250564 552875 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gen Alpha14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133257&oldid=133256 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+27) 10Category < 1721250592 970603 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1721250596 839912 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gen Alpha Brainrot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133258&oldid=125372 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+36) 10Distinguish confusion < 1721250673 799887 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1721251072 351892 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1721251377 236402 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :b_jonas < 1721251452 381647 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my home computer crashed again, and this reminds me of a question. < 1721251763 79529 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you know how in the 90s, computer hardware was simpler, so there usually wasn't any way to detect and configure hardware automatically. as a user, you had to explicitly pick the right drivers, and give each of them a few pieces of configuration settings. the type, port numbers, and IRQ numbers for PCI cards; allowed ranges of vsync and hsync rates plus length of the sync signal and the padding before < 1721251769 72570 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and after sync signal for monitors, available clocks for a video card, the number of physical heads and cylinders and sectors for a hard disk, baud rate and number of value bits and parity bits and start bits and stop bits for a serial connection, etc. < 1721251817 866876 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but then later more complex semiconductors got cheap enough that today I don't need to configure anything, just plug stuff together, the software automatically detects everything. < 1721251956 37762 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you know how in those simpler 1990 hardware, the earliest CD writers had the annoying property that if the software was too slow to refill its small write buffer while burning, then when the buffer emptied the burner would just keep burning unwanted data and ruined the disk. but then when the more complex chips got cheap, CD writers fixed this so if the buffer runs out they just stop burning and you < 1721251962 60959 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can eventually continue, at most you waste a few sectors and seconds. < 1721251994 19355 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so my question is, when a modern computer hangs, why does the sound card keep playing the same one-second sample forever on repeat rather than failing to silence? < 1721252058 542480 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can understand why the video card keeps showing the same image, since that can sometimes contain useful log entries or other clues for the reason why the computer hung, but the repeated sound is just so annoying. < 1721252366 519231 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1721252878 821770 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I want to say that it's because of latency-first engineering principles in sound hardware, but I think that that's not a real answer. < 1721252917 349450 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.235.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1721252937 188273 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, I think a real answer would include that decade or so where Sound Blaster® hardware was well-known for literally destroying the host board if programmed wrong. < 1721253017 503512 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because your example, CD writers, if they don't automatically stop burning then something will be damaged. And their manufacturers recognize that those little laser-jewel assemblies are expensive and easy to damage. < 1721253326 804663 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1721253490 188214 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07$!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133259&oldid=133240 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+263) 10Added a Hello, World! program < 1721253632 2622 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know why. Some kind of sounds, according to the way they are programmed (e.g. with hardware ADSR, or with a programmable timer to tell it to expire) should be able to stop autmoatically. I don't know why the other kind doesn't stop automatically; I would think it should be designed to stop once the sound is finish playing. < 1721253974 966586 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I assume the "repeat a buffer if it underruns" is a thing in the first place because it's less jarring than silence would be if it's just one "missed frame" here and there; and then just letting that do its thing is the lazy choice, because do you really need to optimize for the case of a crashed computer? It might be annoying, but it's not going to ruin a CD. < 1721253984 997258 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's easier and less timing critical to have a buffer that's played continuously (looping) and, say, trigger an interrupt at the end and at the half-way point so that the software can refill it. If you stop playing the software would have to restart it and getting the timing correct is tricky. < 1721254101 978052 :lynndotpy!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 QUIT :Quit: bye bye < 1721254160 102887 :lynndotpy!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 JOIN #esolangs lynndotpy :lynn < 1721254160 422132 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Repeat the last frame" is I think also what simple VoIPy things do to mask lost packets. (Complex VoIPy things may in fact interpolate and extrapolate.) < 1721254238 61786 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, I don't know. < 1721254239 307204 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1721254345 115217 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I only listen to my computer these days using an USB DAC, and I kinda suspect if the computer crashed terminally it'd just go silent, because it relies on USB continuing to do its complicated dance. < 1721254537 962522 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: isn't the complicated USB dance also done by a controller that runs independently, so that it can, you know, DRM transfer in the background, since USB is often used to transfer data very fast for extended periods these days < 1721254605 943652 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unrelated: some of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aboriginal_kinship sounds like esolangers invented parts of it < 1721254642 426185 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe, but I guess _eventually_ those buffers would run dry rather than repeating forever. (Just a guess.) < 1721254844 57715 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I saw the mention of Australian Aboriginal kinship in a book once < 1721254850 159770 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm https://www.edn.com/fundamentals-of-usb-audio/ is interesting. So first of all, the device obviously has to speak USB, receiving and sending frames of data. But the article suggests that the required buffer is actually rather small... and you don't want a 8kHz beep just because the computer stopped sending data. < 1721254911 292221 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fundamental USB issue. The desired property is called "isochrony" and USB just doesn't have it. Compare to FireWire, which is both isochronous and has innate DMA security issues. < 1721254913 278288 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(dealing with USB is a huge complication) < 1721254994 412149 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You need isochrony to shove a pile of pixels or audio samples (auxels?) over a digital link with low latency anyway, because you need to put next frame's pixels on the wire before last frame is ack'd. < 1721255040 210000 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...I wanted to write "before last frame is cleared from the receiving buffer", and indeed that's where the DMA security problems are. < 1721255043 565043 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well apparently there *are* isochronous transfers in USB. < 1721255052 22964 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :
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< 1721255079 973175 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm sure it's flawed in many ways. < 1721255106 873386 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :In USB 3 maybe? I haven't kept up. I know it was a big argument around the USB 1.2 and 2.0 era, because of the three different hardware abstractions (ECHI, UCHI, ACHI?) < 1721255161 642698 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: isn't the first one OHCI, while I think AHCI doesn't exist? < 1721255195 643075 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I genuinely don't remember. I don't even remember who made them; I think two of the vendors were Intel and VIA. < 1721255309 879302 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :A friend's spouse was involved in the USB 3 implementation in Linux. It sounded like the worst fucking headache. < 1721255436 45951 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: hmm. https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/344639/isochronous-and-interrupt-transfers-for-usb-where-to-learn-about-it says that it's no longer used < 1721255439 17298 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :
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< 1721255475 513574 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the modern approach is to paint it over with excess bandwidth. < 1721255495 454317 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for USB sound devices) < 1721255531 896477 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep, USB 2.0 bandwidth is fairly insane even at Full Speed, and if you divide it up, you get pretty good latency with reasonably-sized packets of samples. < 1721255569 369345 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Of course, folks immediately went and spent Moore's Dividend (or the radio equivalent) on Bluetooth audio. Utterly ridiculous. But yeah, now USB audio is fast enough for pro work. < 1721255839 606220 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, I even use a webcamera through USB 2 for video chatting with relatives. admittedly it's just 1280×720 pixels times 30/s; for the higher quality cameras that I worked with in my previous job you need either USB 3 or ethernet < 1721256002 794443 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I figured it was better to buy two cheap webcameras rather than one high quality one for multiple times the price. 60/s frame rate bumps the price by like a 10× factor. < 1721256063 423211 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the mobile phones on the other end are on fast wifi half of the time, so I could transfer higher quality video through the rest of the stack by the way < 1721256357 2174 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Think I've told this story before, but I had an external DVB-T box back in... 2005-ish, which was USB 1.2 rather than 2.0, and while the proprietary Windows drivers knew how to program the box to extract a single program out of the MPEG-TS multiplex, the Linux drivers could only program it into the mode where it tries to dump the entire stream, which made it unusable (at least in Finland in < 1721256358 801939 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Linux) because the multiplexes required more than the 12 Mbps of Full Speed bandwidth. < 1721256578 367709 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc82623-woki8-2-0-cust106.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1721257106 428667 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you wanted to use IEEE 1394 instead of USB, how would it be done? My computer, and the cable box for the TV, both have IEEE 1394, although they are not in the same room. Can EIA 608 and EIA 708 be used with IEEE 1394, or is the composite video capture required for this? < 1721257353 575704 :haavard!root@haavard.me QUIT :Server closed connection < 1721257372 870264 :haavard!root@haavard.me JOIN #esolangs haavard :Håvard Pettersson < 1721258986 961713 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.235.244 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1721259479 354897 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.235.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1721259695 868170 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA QUIT :Server closed connection < 1721259708 453973 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA JOIN #esolangs JAA :JustAnotherArchivist