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01:02:39 <esolangs> [[Chordfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133260&oldid=133234 * PrySigneToFry * (+24) 
01:05:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:fuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133261&oldid=132838 * PrySigneToFry * (+2155) 
01:10:57 <korvo> zzo38: IEEE 1394 is FireWire, right? The main issue IIRC is that the signal drops off *very* fast and you can't have a cable longer than like maybe 5m without some sort of repeater.
01:12:06 <zzo38> OK
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01:22:51 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133265&oldid=133264 * PrySigneToFry * (+0) 
01:26:07 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133266&oldid=133008 * PrySigneToFry * (+49) 
01:31:07 <esolangs> [[Cantor]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133267&oldid=133190 * Joe * (+156) 
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01:31:19 <esolangs> [[Cantor]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133269&oldid=133267 * Joe * (-2) 
01:32:27 <korvo> Stupid question: The page [[Brainfuck]] links several TMs in BF. Is there a (popular, well-known) compiler/interpreter of BF in TMs?
01:32:53 <korvo> I'm sure I've seen it before and I'm looking right past it.
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02:58:06 <esolangs> [[Talk:SussyLang]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133274&oldid=86905 * PrySigneToFry * (+100) /* = */ new section
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07:22:26 <wib_jonas> Another quirk of 90s computer hardware was when people had 64 MB of RAM in their desktop computer and 128 MB of RAM in the laser printers for the Postscript renderer. You can see the effect of this in the Adobe PostScript Language Document Structuring Conventions Specifications (DSC), which defines the magic comments in postscript files that
07:22:26 <wib_jonas> delimit pages and tell the page size. Today the main use of these comments is to make large postscript files seekable in postscript viewers, because the postscript core was designed to be read in sequence once by the printer and printed immediately, and the interpreter is stateful so you can't freely seek. But where the intro of the DSC explains
07:22:27 <wib_jonas> the motivation of the DSC, it doesn't even mention postscript viewers. It says the DSC is for programs that transform a postscript document, such as splitting a document to parts for printing on multiple printers in parallel (this is seriously one of their examples). It seems the idea is that you wouldn't use a postscript viewer on the computer,
07:22:27 <wib_jonas> because the computer might not even have enough resources to run one efficiently, rather you'd preview the document with the original document editor like MS Word or Wordperfect, since those have separate display drivers and sometimes separate fonts optimized for showing on a low resolution monitor using a cheap CPU and not much RAM.
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07:29:22 <wib_jonas> Also those printers were also assumed to not have automatic configuration, so you have to tell the computer what size of paper you put into it and the printer can't check that, so the postscript program itself doesn't tell what paper is needed, only the DSC magic comments do. That was true back when I used a dot matrix printer, but no longer when I
07:29:22 <wib_jonas> met our family's first laser printer, a HP LaserJet II P. The laser printer knew quite well what size of paper it got, which is how the error message "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_LOAD_LETTER" became infamous.
07:38:01 <wib_jonas> So in effect, all but very early postscript interpreters, both in printers and elsewhere, usually have to read the DSC comments anyway to find out the paper size, and they're effectively part of the language.
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07:40:13 <wib_jonas> I guess it's kind of like the <!--[if IE7]> magic comments in HTML that all modern browsers have to interpret anyway
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08:21:22 <wib_jonas> The DSC specification is from 1992 by the way.
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08:26:52 <wib_jonas> Admittedly it does also mention a more current use case, which is when you store a figure in a postscript file, then include that file into a text document like a research article.
08:27:12 <wib_jonas> (those are my words, the spec uses much more general and vague descriptions)
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08:33:48 <wib_jonas> oh nice, the DSC has a magic comment to specify hole punching or stapling if the printer supports automatically doing that.
08:34:48 <wib_jonas> then there's a different magic comment that tells the printer a password that the user should enter at the printer's UI before it starts printing, for documents with sensitive contents printed on shared printers
08:36:44 <wib_jonas> well, this version (3.0) of the DSC specification is from 1992, I don't know when the earlier versions are from
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08:47:56 <wib_jonas> The occasion, by the way, is that for graphically visualizing the small polyominos and other polyforms, I'm thinking of emitting a simple postscript document.
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09:16:58 <esolangs> [[(*U]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133301 * Gggfr * (+1493) Created page with "'''(*U''' is a esolang (made by [[User:yaymhere]]) inspired by [[BackFlip]], [[Black]], and conways game of life. Its 2d and is meant to be [[turing complete]] like black. Also its name comes from random typing and is pronounced opening star U(OSU) == how it works == OSU is k
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09:34:21 <wib_jonas> I was wrong above. Postscript core does have a function to request specific paper size. It's a complicated general mechanism accessed through the setpagedevice builtin. So the printer doesn't need to read the magic comments afterall.
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10:22:05 <fizzie> It's (presumably) not using PostScript file comments to do it, but work has pretty much switched to "follow-me" printing, where you don't specify the printer when printing the file (though in our case you do pick one of three vaguely continent-level print queues, AMER, EMEA or APAC), you just walk to the printer, badge in, and release the print job.
10:22:15 <fizzie> Slightly less efficient in that it can't start printing before you reach the printer, but OTOH it automatically handles that privacy use case, plus you don't send things to print in the wrong building any more.
10:23:36 <fizzie> Wonder how much the printers get used anyway. Personally I think my primary use case is to print out boarding passes just in case the phone decides to give up the ghost during a trip.
10:24:04 <fizzie> But I'm sure there's other roles that involve more printing maybe.
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10:34:35 <wib_jonas> fizzie: I personally don't use them much, so I don't even have a printer at home, and go to photocopy stores when I occasionally want to print something. But my work does use printers a lot, for printing various administrative and technical documentation and also technical drawings, including in color and up to I think A2 size
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10:42:56 <fizzie> I've seen some of those big plotters at the office, I guess design people use them sometimes.
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13:32:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:Cantor]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133352 * Gggfr * (+141) Created page with "Is this turing complete? Is it even close to being turing complete? ~~~~"
13:41:17 <esolangs> [[2dL]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133353&oldid=133210 * Gggfr * (+6) 
13:45:17 <esolangs> [[2dL]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133354&oldid=133353 * Gggfr * (+60) 
13:47:02 <esolangs> [[2dL]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133355&oldid=133354 * Gggfr * (+3) /* examples */
13:48:13 <esolangs> [[2dL]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133356&oldid=133355 * Gggfr * (+3) /* other syntax */
13:49:15 <esolangs> [[Squick]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133357&oldid=133332 * SquirrelCorn * (-3) 
13:52:28 <esolangs> [[Squick]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133358&oldid=133357 * SquirrelCorn * (+93) 
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14:26:57 <esolangs> [[Shinda Sakana]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133361&oldid=132809 * TheCanon2 * (+31) Added new category
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15:32:34 <esolangs> [[Not]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133363&oldid=133344 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+48) Categories
15:34:08 <esolangs> [[$!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133364&oldid=133259 * TheCanon2 * (+61) Added it to more categories.
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15:44:16 <esolangs> [[YNTDAE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133369&oldid=133287 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+14) Fix category
15:47:46 <esolangs> [[ArrayFuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133370&oldid=100427 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+103) Categories
15:51:32 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133371&oldid=133266 * Tommyaweosme * (+249) 
15:53:37 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133372&oldid=133336 * Tommyaweosme * (+46) 
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16:02:05 <esolangs> [[(*U]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133374&oldid=133373 * Xff * (+5) /* examples */
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16:15:04 <esolangs> [[(,!)]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133376&oldid=133293 * Xff * (-3) 
16:15:26 <esolangs> [[Talk:(,!)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133377 * Xff * (+0) Created blank page
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17:34:40 <esolangs> [[Logig]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133380&oldid=133379 * Xff * (+1) 
17:40:21 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133381&oldid=133323 * Ais523 * (+605) /* You're going too far */ an explanation
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18:14:01 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133382&oldid=132987 * ApisNecros * (+71) /* Variants of deadfish */ Add dead_fish language as a variant of deadfish
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18:30:16 <fizzie> Hmm. Tried to re-enable stalker mode since I updated the HTTP server library version, but now it just fails with a "code 1006" ("no reason") in the browser, and "unexpected websocket protocol: (none)" on the server.
18:30:31 <fizzie> Maybe the API has changed subtly enough to not fail the build but still make it not work.
18:37:22 <fizzie> Looks like maybe you need to now pre-register the subprotocols used when setting up a handler.
18:44:33 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133384&oldid=133383 * Unname4798 * (+160) 
18:46:13 <fizzie> Now it just segfaults on a connection attempt, which is hardly an improvement.
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19:02:22 <b_jonas> fizzie: on the plus side, while https://hack.esolangs.org/edit/ gives an 502 error, the temporary file viewer https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/cmd.whatis and the repo browser https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip are working, and `fetch is working too
19:02:35 <b_jonas> so most of the functionality for HackEso is there
19:02:45 <b_jonas> I personally don't care much about stalker mode
19:03:16 <b_jonas> (except in as much that it shouldn't crash the whole channel logs webserver making the logs unavailable)
19:09:59 <esolangs> [[Talk:Cantor]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133385&oldid=133352 * PkmnQ * (+842) I think this works as a Turing-completeness proof
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19:19:40 <esolangs> [[The shift machine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133386 * Xff * (+787) Created page with "'''the shift machine''' a form of imaginary machine invented by [[User:Yayimhere|Yayimhere]] to translate into [[OSU]](also known as [[(*U]]). the shift machine runs in two diffrent modes (the "loop" mode and the normal mode) and uses a tape to store data. there ar
19:22:41 <esolangs> [[Shift machine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133387 * Xff * (+31) Redirected page to [[The shift machine]]
19:23:44 <esolangs> [[The shift machine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133388&oldid=133386 * Xff * (+32) 
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19:28:26 <esolangs> [[The shift machine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133389&oldid=133388 * Xff * (+44) 
19:32:09 <esolangs> [[The shift machine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133390&oldid=133389 * Xff * (+26) 
19:36:31 <esolangs> [[The shift machine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133391&oldid=133390 * Xff * (+160) 
19:39:26 <korvo> I'm trying to get a sense of when people have used BF for BB. I found these two Code Golf pages https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/4813/123693 and https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/103684/123693 which call it "Busy Brain Beaver". Any other good collections of these?
19:51:20 <esolangs> [[The shift machine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133392&oldid=133391 * Gggfr * (+130) 
19:54:39 <esolangs> [[User talk:Gggfr]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133393 * Gggfr * (+0) Created blank page
19:55:03 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yayimhere]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133394 * Gggfr * (+0) Created blank page
19:55:53 <b_jonas> "Busy Brain Beaver" makes sense, you don't want your site to mention bestiality or incest porn explicitly
19:57:06 <fizzie> Looks like someone's started a wiki page at https://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_busy_beaver (with a different definition: runs the most `.` instructions, rather than for the most steps), but not really done much there.
19:58:00 <esolangs> [[The shift machine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133395&oldid=133392 * Xff * (+194) 
20:00:14 <korvo> Ooh, those would be Beeping Busy Brains. The Beeping BB problem is quite interesting because it turns out to be second-order; it's uncomputable even if you have an oracle for BB.
20:02:11 <esolangs> [[The shift machine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133396&oldid=133395 * Xff * (+472) 
20:06:08 <b_jonas> korvo: in "oracle for BB", do you mean the version of BB that asks for the highest number of execution steps that a program can run, or the one that asks for the farthest the head can be when the program halts, or something else?
20:06:43 <b_jonas> the first sounds unlikely in context
20:08:29 <korvo> It's the former. Fix the number of states, and let BB be the maximum number of steps for halting TMs. We'll let BBB be the maximum number of steps before a TM enters a designated "beep" state for the last time.
20:08:41 <esolangs> [[Talk:Hanabi]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133397 * Xff * (+135) Created page with "on turing completeness do you think it is? im not really sure myself~~~~"
20:08:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:Hanabi]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133398&oldid=133397 * Xff * (+3) 
20:09:06 <esolangs> [[User talk:Xff]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133399 * Xff * (+0) Created blank page
20:09:26 <korvo> Then BBB is uncomputable even with oracle for BB. For note that some machines may beep after BB's number of steps, but yet not halt; they beep and then enter an infinite loop.
20:10:18 <korvo> We can define the variant of BBB which counds how many times a machine beeps, just like how BB can be defined in terms of the number of non-zero symbols on tape.
20:12:21 <b_jonas> ah
20:12:51 <b_jonas> ok, so the beeping has a definition that's really different from all the variants I've met
20:12:54 <b_jonas> thank you for explaining
20:13:04 <korvo> But note that conversely BBB bounds BB; every Busy Beaver must halt before the final beep. Suppose not; then such a Beaver could have its final state designated as the beep, contradicting the value of BBB.
20:14:11 <korvo> No worries; I literally didn't grok this nuance until earlier this year, foolishly thinking that beeping was yet another Rice-complete property. But no, Turing degrees are real and we can manipulate them in real-world computers.
20:15:35 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133400&oldid=133300 * Xff * (+295) /* APL x BASIC x MM */
20:26:54 <fizzie> Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3. (Think I got it fixed now.)
20:27:15 <fizzie> Seems to work. If it still hangs up the log server every few days I'll just disable it again.
20:30:14 <fizzie> Turns out the problem was, CivetWeb needs the `struct mg_websocket_subprotocols *` value that specifies the accepted protocols to remain valid forever. This was "documented" by a "must be static data" comment in the websocket *example* code, but of course not mentioned in the headers that serve as documentation for the API.
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