< 1721779456 895593 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1721779547 4683 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs mtm :Textual User < 1721779572 638460 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1721780101 733599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Tempted to use JsBP's really, really nice GUI in front of my VM < 1721780185 758479 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron > 1721782348 990224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Amtu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133897&oldid=133896 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+77) 10corrected stuff > 1721782478 443617 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Amtu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133898&oldid=133897 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+120) 10added notes > 1721782593 714997 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Yee14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133899 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+578) 10Created page with "Yee is an esoteric programming language based off of the yee dinasour meme. == Commands == bah - cell 1 bah bah - cell 2 bah bah bah - cell 3 ... baah - before "Ye..." 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It is extended Brainfuck. == My question and ChatGPT's answer == Q1: Can you invent an esoteric program > 1721796614 782258 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BrainSplited14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133907&oldid=133906 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+14) 10 < 1721799027 261027 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1721802266 614263 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1721806270 118807 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown > 1721808921 698828 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07oxck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133908&oldid=133884 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+0) 10/* other */ > 1721813336 329238 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moaiscript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133909&oldid=130879 5* 03Dtp09 5* (+251) 10rewrote the page < 1721815551 493813 :Ae`!Ae@linux.touz.org NICK :Ae < 1721816101 612272 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Moin > 1721816195 297218 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ISEW2C14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133910&oldid=133831 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+231) 10 > 1721816611 373949 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133911&oldid=133859 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+19) 10 < 1721816797 343866 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1721816891 295424 :Ae!Ae@linux.touz.org QUIT :Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by ae35733!~ae@user/ae)) < 1721816934 104511 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :does anyone happen to understand why https://www.bigmessowires.com/cpu-in-a-cpld/ says there's an STA imm instruction? < 1721816997 905997 :Ae`!Ae@linux.touz.org JOIN #esolangs * :Ae < 1721816998 991165 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah wait, https://www.bigmessowires.com/cpu-in-a-cpld/#comment-108669 asks that already and there's a reply < 1721817176 370900 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently it was a mistake. now I wonder if any esoteric language has an STA imm instruction deliberately. < 1721817256 375024 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hnn it would be funny if it modified the immediate field of the instruction... < 1721817302 526155 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. < 1721817483 787119 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm trying to remember whether box-256 actually did that. I don't think so though... (I do remember writing code with instructions that stored into the same instruction's source immediate values though) < 1721817782 496475 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: um, what's this? so you had an instruction that had like an absolute target and an immediate source operand, and you directed it to write into the immediate? I think most old CPUs don't have such instructions, while in newer CPUs it's not worth because that would mess up the code cache, but maybe the 386 is right on the boundary, where there < 1721817783 7871 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :are such instructions but no code cache other than a small prefetch queue. < 1721817882 555616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah this isn't exactly a CPU. http://box-256.com/manual/ ...it has three addressing modes, immediate, address, and indirect address. < 1721817896 353640 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also three operand instructions < 1721817950 487924 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and axtually the opcode table answers my question; there's no encoding for destination immediates > 1721818030 684325 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ISEW2C14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133912&oldid=99488 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-57) 10Not Turing-complete < 1721818192 390001 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But the thing that makes this a non-CPU are the threads, which are deterministically interleaved. You can have up to about 60 of them so that's up to 360 memory accesses per cycle. And yes, one thread can poke into an instruction of another thread just before that thread gets its turn and the next thread will execute that modified instruction. < 1721818229 432903 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It did feel nicely esoteric because of that though. < 1721818781 636284 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is weird in other ways too < 1721819202 332691 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you should make a wiki entry for it < 1721819247 924136 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:28e1:3008:bbac:934d JOIN #esolangs amby :realname > 1721819841 586504 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtle just want to dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133913&oldid=133881 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+345) 10 > 1721820134 554978 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtle just want to dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133914&oldid=133913 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+93) 10 > 1721820241 454904 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtle just want to dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133915&oldid=133914 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-20) 10 > 1721820289 698222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtle just want to dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133916&oldid=133915 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-26) 10 < 1721822217 996823 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I failed to account for memory accesses for maintaining each thread's PC (which is stored in memroy) < 1721822251 674333 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so with that it's up to 540 memory accesses per cycle < 1721822560 3890 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1721822579 526581 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :480. arithmetic is hard < 1721822749 691824 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs mtm :Textual User < 1721822882 620110 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: the description says that the MOV instruction can copy more than one byte, it has an argument for the count of bytes < 1721822894 213900 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ohright < 1721822924 193996 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah that'll bump it up further < 1721822963 782010 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :two orders of magnitude, so it's becoming even more silly < 1721823140 338724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1721823141 972503 :V!~v@ircpuzzles/2022/april/winner/V QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1721823217 209118 :V!~v@ircpuzzles/2022/april/winner/V JOIN #esolangs V :Wie? < 1721823328 30402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN #esolangs lambdabot :Lambda_Robots:_100%_Loyal < 1721823812 807009 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Redcode (as in Core War) might allow a destination immediate operand, which would change the value of that immediate field in the same instruction? Not sure if it does, but it feels like the kind of thing it would do. And you do modify a lot of instructions in it. < 1721823862 729184 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder what it does when the source and destination are overlapping < 1721823899 784573 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that MOV instruction that is < 1721824065 535754 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It had those modifiers as well (.a, .b, .ab, .ba, .f, .x, .i) that I can never really keep straight. < 1721824159 29247 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://corewar.co.uk/karonen/guide.htm#deep_imm seems to imply an "immediate" address is just treated as making the effective address 0 (relative to the instruction), plus of course the number specifying the initial contents of that field. > 1721825934 247310 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133917&oldid=133911 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+30) 10/* T */ > 1721826283 183994 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtle just want to dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133918&oldid=133916 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-10) 10 < 1721827015 106424 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1721829264 293993 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1721829383 866847 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TabbyTranspose 5* 10New user account > 1721830987 921247 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BrainSplited14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133919&oldid=133907 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+356) 10 > 1721831215 683737 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133920&oldid=132641 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+559) 10/* A+B Problem in BrainSplited */ new section > 1721831237 463628 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133921&oldid=133920 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+27) 10 > 1721831319 675729 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfsh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133922&oldid=132646 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+97) 10 < 1721832600 830555 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Excess Flood < 1721832801 956497 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron > 1721834717 586511 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133923&oldid=133921 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+15) 10 < 1721835265 137021 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1721836611 393995 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1721836626 100156 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm, attribution is tricky. < 1721836695 203498 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :While documenting Turing machines, I deanonymized int-e, and I didn't realize I'd done it until later. Do we have community guidelines for keeping that sort of thing straight? < 1721836764 787231 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I figure it's not a big deal at the moment, but also I'm fairly certain I know identities of folks here who *do* want their names obscured, and I'm not sure how to ask "Do you want me to withhold your name?" without embarrassing folks or making them worry that I'm going to dox them. < 1721836769 668919 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :In my case I haven't tried too hard to keep those identities separate. I mean, I don't go out of my way to link them. That's it. < 1721836808 538710 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Okay, thank you. Let me know if you change your mind. < 1721836816 720118 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Go to @int-e on github and you'll find all you need because the real name is, to my knowledge, unique.) < 1721837076 240884 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's kind of the cost of using the same nick in many contexts for soon 3 decades. < 1721837797 668043 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :For sure. I worry because I know one regular here is deliberately anonymous and I may have accidentally learned their identity years ago, and while I want to give credit for maths discoveries, they hide their name *because* of the maths community. < 1721837865 799620 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I want to be more respectful than e.g. Aaronson and company, who repeatedly slander "code golf addict" by insulting their decision to not add their real name to Aaronson et al's Busy Beaver papers. < 1721837920 89677 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1721837926 106857 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(If I were Aaronson, I guess I'd be embarrassed too. Aaronson & Yedida gave a BB(1919) result and code golf addidct improved it to something like BB(20).) < 1721838084 423081 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: I think lots of CPUs have circuitry that would decode an instruction as STA, imm – but the instruction simply isn't documented because it wouldn't be useful < 1721838089 969136 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...At any rate, if anybody has any problems with what I've put in https://mostawesomedude.github.io/bb-gauge/ so far, just DM me and I'll redact or pseudonymize you appropriately. < 1721838100 97394 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, I do not know of any concrete examples, so I might be wrong in this suspicion < 1721838190 22342 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on another topic, something I realised recently is that the operation "take the limit of the behaviour of a program as some parameter that parametrises its behaviour tends to 0/∞" a) is capable of increasing a language's computational class, and b) appears to do so in a well-defined way for various classes < 1721838223 114027 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. if you do it on TC programs you get a halting oracle (because you can use it to evaluate the result of a beeping computation, and those can be halting oracles), and you don't seem to get anything more than a halting oracle < 1721838238 590663 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I am wondering what other computational classes become under the same operation < 1721838268 342107 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :primitive-recursive trivially becomes Turing-hard; is it necessarily going to stay computable? < 1721838269 543400 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Hmm tracing that... not really the same thing, though related; the thing that Aaronsen co-authored diagonalized proofs in ZFC. The 27 state TM looks for counterexamples to Goldbach's conjecture. < 1721838297 152197 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: And the 1919 state number is by Stefan O'Rear. < 1721838343 565627 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Yeah, that sounds right. As you can see, my memory sucks. < 1721838370 52725 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( things with holes in them ) < 1721838379 252297 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( for $100 ) < 1721838443 853531 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wow, talk about small worlds – I collaborated with Stefan O'Rear on a NetHack-related project < 1721838446 204440 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: The fact that the 1919 number was accurate helped. < 1721838465 265328 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I searched that article for the string "1919") < 1721838485 396938 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: sure, but in https://www.bigmessowires.com/cpu-in-a-cpld/ it's the documentation that specifically shows STA imm in the opcode table, and note that the part of the table with bit 2 and 5 are unset goes {SUB abs; SUB imm; ADD abs; ADD imm; CMP abs; CMP imm; LDA abs; LDA imm; STA abs; STA imm; LDX abs; LDX imm; STX abs; undocumented} so it < 1721838485 916037 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like STX imm deliberately doesn't exist < 1721838519 69134 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the same person worked on an INTERCAL-related project (a syntax highlighter, maybe?) which allowed whitespace in the middle of keywords, which is an interesting and possibly correct interpretation of the specification < 1721838527 507103 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Yeah. So, checking my notes, I think that there's a lot of headroom beneath Laconic not yet accessed. < 1721838602 807382 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aaronson & Matiyasevich give RH a test with BB(734) and O'Rear gives BB(916). However, it's well-known folklore that Turing did RH tests by hand using some sort of discrete procedure; it was one of his favorite toy problems for computers. < 1721838664 859948 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So there must be some BB(n,k) where n and k are small enough for humans to work through the machine. I don't have any well-vouched RH for k≠2 yet, so I can't guess Turing's k. < 1721838670 334559 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : While documenting Turing machines, I deanonymized int-e, and I didn't realize I'd done it until later. Do we have community guidelines for keeping that sort of thing straight? ← my rule is "if someone has posted the work online under a given name, use that name – otherwise, ask – although if you're writing a serious paper for a journal or the like, it's often good to ask which name you should use in case someone pseudonymous wants to use their < 1721838671 746321 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :real name" < 1721838678 77571 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: I did wonder about the absence of STX abs,X ... maybe accessing the X register for both reading and writing is too hard? < 1721838710 50128 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: limit to 0 can increase computational class => that's believable, because the physicists are saying that quantum mechanism limits how much information you can store in a given volume of space and how much computation you can do with a given amount of energy, while in classical physics the information and computation are unlimited < 1721838736 141976 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: That makes sense. I've tried to only use the names that each author has attached to their work. For example, I think I could go look up who LittlePeng9 is, but I want to reuse their handle so that future searchers will find Googology. < 1721838784 525912 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I gave two different names for my Netrunner Turing-completeness proof, because I normally use different usernames in the Netrunner and Turing-completeness communities < 1721838791 127200 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that I would be recognised either way < 1721838808 894444 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: the absence of STX abs,X => I assume that's just not very useful, it's not in BMOW 1 either, I think this might be inherited from 6502 which inspired both. either that, or the CPX instructions make it so the opcode wouldn't be decoded correctly. < 1721838897 145721 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"allowed whitespace in the middle of keywords" => I always assumed INTERCAL allowed that, since the FORTRANs and BASICs of the period did too < 1721838936 362575 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what, really? I thought the BASICs of the era didn't really have source code, the editor stored an AST directly < 1721838949 473684 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I guess then it's a question about whether the editor allowed whitespace inside keywords < 1721838990 741094 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: Oh, here: http://www.bigmessowires.com/2010/04/18/tiny-cpu-architecture/ ...there's no feedback from X to itself without increment or decreement. < 1721839117 860650 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But it /could/ do post-increment and post-decrement addressing with abs,X if instruction decoding supported it. < 1721839133 701430 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: re: your Busy Beaver Gauge, I think this is relevant (although not directly relevant): https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/97004/does-the-code-terminate/ < 1721839212 993364 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1721839263 12625 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yes, exactly. I had to gather a few examples before I could even sketch the point, but I think you see it now. < 1721839273 203585 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1721839292 740425 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It will be quite funny if it turns out that everything fits into BB(8,2). But even in that case, I think they'll still be smeared out in BLC or BF. < 1721839971 239419 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1721840283 915761 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: afaiu the editors store the text of each source line, except for the line number, close to verbatim, except they replace keywords with abbreviated versions, though there are also older basics where you even have to input the keywords in a different way than from a sequence of letters, they just show up as the pretty letter name on screen as < 1721840284 435375 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you edit. I don't think they store an AST that's reordered compared to the source code. < 1721840371 84451 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1721840464 499139 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1721840732 729973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074Head/AuthorImplementation.c14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133924&oldid=117447 5* 031hals 5* (-43) 10use standard isdigit > 1721841515 75916 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minimized BF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133925&oldid=133401 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+1029) 10Added an interpreter < 1721841540 692086 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: < 1721841693 223296 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently fungot is not here < 1721841805 898576 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :evidently < 1721842047 155174 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wanted input on making a zero-gravity guillotine. I didn't want to bother a human about it ;-) < 1721842244 650364 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the guillotines used for cutting paper are normally manually operated, I think (i.e. a human rather than gravity pushes down on the blade) > 1721842268 574197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ruck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133926&oldid=133834 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+1168) 10Added implementation > 1721842419 978929 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ruck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133927&oldid=133926 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (-7) 10rewrote < 1721842534 230975 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :beheading paper sounds a bit weird... but I guess it'll work for letter heads < 1721842667 738899 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1721842789 533337 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1721842863 858707 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1721845898 277466 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 JOIN #esolangs * :b_jonas < 1721846692 88442 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1721847045 902232 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: hmm, someone mentioned recently that they have built a guillotine (not necessarily zero gravity) as some hobby thing. I'd direct you to them but I don't recall who it was. the internet is a strange place. < 1721847831 220691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm I saw guillotines mentioned here: https://aus.social/@Unixbigot/112832456291732131 < 1721847847 694986 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But that's fictional. > 1721848020 575551 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133928&oldid=133917 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* T */ Alphabetise > 1721848387 27168 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TheCanon214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133929&oldid=133878 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+25) 10Added Ruckfish > 1721848655 623385 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133930&oldid=133376 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+28) 10 > 1721848734 519298 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133931&oldid=133826 5* 03HammyHammerhead 5* (+81) 10/* Commands */ > 1721850024 4422 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ruckfish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=133932 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+1742) 10Created the article < 1721850296 548637 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1721851973 524140 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think 6502 has a "store immediate" instruction that does not actually work; the opcode that should mean "store immediate" instead reads its operand and ignores it < 1721853693 636269 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ugh. This time fungot had reconnected, but now it doesn't obey me because my username does *not* have the ~ in it. < 1721853705 225388 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I added it in the configuration when there was that identd problem again. < 1721853815 927938 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a JOIN #esolangs fungot :fungot-0.1 < 1721853955 61388 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :heehe < 1721854034 630848 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1721854694 645167 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pylongolf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133933&oldid=50185 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+138) 10Waybacks, categories < 1721855597 172656 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1721855672 913349 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1721856128 154636 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ruckfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133934&oldid=133932 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+1797) 10Completed the article. > 1721856180 958337 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TheCanon214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133935&oldid=133929 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (-1) 10changed the number > 1721856656 998853 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ruckfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133936&oldid=133934 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+131) 10added details > 1721856698 787837 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ruckfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133937&oldid=133936 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+1) 10moved a detail > 1721858336 779647 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ruckfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133938&oldid=133937 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+384) 10Articlised my name and added a truth machine < 1721858346 233205 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1721858347 39960 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1721859890 962881 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1721862106 410691 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scratcholang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133939&oldid=123187 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (-263) 10Cleaned the article and added XKCD random number > 1721862559 377098 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IBC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=133940&oldid=133164 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+123) 10added NNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN