< 1719793993 911108 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1719794583 706594 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1719797465 57903 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:e9be:3d32:846a:8151 QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement > 1719799364 144280 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131865&oldid=130080 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+229) 10/* About Scratch */ < 1719800997 678124 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would have never guessed before trying to implement it that the most arcane part of the Conedy spec is: "For each uppercase letter, there must be a corresponding lowercase letter (for which both letters case-fold to the same codepoint), and vice versa" < 1719801120 69920 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unicode ĸ < 1719801124 827295 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :U+0138 LATIN SMALL LETTER KRA \ UTF-8: c4 b8 UTF-16BE: 0138 Decimal: ĸ \ ĸ \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1719801178 54523 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`run python3 -c "print('ĸ'.upper() == 'ĸ'.lower())" < 1719801180 105464 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :True < 1719801599 756682 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this might be a Python3 bug, but it's not especially clear what the meaningful result should be, other than upper() ever returning a result in the Ll category seems wrong. < 1719801662 769697 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1719801685 139366 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1719801950 581432 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://codepoints.net/U+0138?lang=en shows it is lowercase, but explicitly maps its uppercase to itself :shrug: Are there other examples of this? < 1719802056 205137 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sharing because Unicode is a frequent topic of discussion / complaint here. HackEso's `unicode cmd is also very convenient < 1719802549 753146 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : I would have never guessed before trying to implement it that the most arcane part of the Conedy spec is: "For each uppercase letter, there must be a corresponding lowercase letter (for which both letters case-fold to the same codepoint), and vice versa" ← I knew at the time it was difficult, and worded that sentence specifically to at least be unambiguous < 1719802617 119682 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :some languages have a casefold function/method that folds any letter to either its uppercase or lowercase version, consistently for each uppercase/lowercase pair, in a way that makes "same letter with different case" comparisons work – neither uppercase nor lowercase does that consistently IIRC < 1719802686 400694 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if there's an "equals-ignoring-case" method, that would work too – some regex engines can do that < 1719804243 480500 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, python has str.casefold for that < 1719806382 274902 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had made a character code which makes case-folding much more consistent regardless of the languages; no complicated tables are needed, and the I which is normal, with a dot, and without a dot, are three different characters, so it does not have that problem. < 1719806410 34082 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, whether or not this is suitable depends on your application; different character codes are suitable for different applications, anyways. < 1719806491 251778 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I happened to star with lowercase Unicode, then tried to find the uppercase other-half of the pair. Starting with Uppercase and using casefold seems like it will have less issues. ty < 1719806572 68990 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm now thinking upper and lower case are very context dependent, and not always consistently meaningful < 1719806802 86362 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Unicode category Ll has 2,155 entries, Lu has 1,791, so that's the limit for pair, and I should have started with Lu! < 1719806854 825547 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : I'm now thinking upper and lower case are very context dependent, and not always consistently meaningful ← indeed! < 1719807018 792726 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, it is very context dependent and not always consistently meaningful, I agree with that. < 1719807050 354645 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :A common example for this is the letter i in Turkish. Its uppercase is İ, and the lowercase of I is ı. < 1719807130 330766 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are also some fun examples where you have two lowercase letters corresponding to one uppercase, e.g. σ and ς for Σ. < 1719807138 695171 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's one example that Unicode libraries don't normally handle by default – you have to request Turkic casefolding with separate methods, if it's even supported < 1719807164 15519 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :JAA: a good one is that the uppercase of ß is SS which is two letters rather than one < 1719807183 770932 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Except not anymore! There is ẞ now! < 1719807185 928732 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…and although ẞ exists it isn't generally used, but its lowercase version is definitely ß < 1719807189 696531 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs ::-) < 1719807208 330065 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -E 'say uc "ß"' < 1719807210 836435 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​ß < 1719807222 485481 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, need to turn on Unicode < 1719807231 84882 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :Related to that, IDNA 2003 vs 2008. < 1719807245 426074 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unicode ẞ < 1719807247 439645 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :U+1E9E LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S \ UTF-8: e1 ba 9e UTF-16BE: 1e9e Decimal: ẞ \ ẞ (ß) \ Lowercase: U+00DF \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1719807272 546209 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -C63 -Mutf8 -E 'say uc "ß"' < 1719807274 113301 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :SS < 1719807278 183141 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there we go < 1719807307 395547 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -C63 -Mutf8 -E 'say lc uc lc "ẞ"' < 1719807308 795134 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ss < 1719807323 147883 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :IDNA 2003 normalises ß to ss, so no domain names with ß are possible in it. IDNA 2008 fixed that, but it leads to incompatibilities in some fun places. Python still only supports 2003, and trying to do TLS certificate validation on a domain containing an ß leads to surprise fireworks. < 1719807323 226641 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -C63 -Mutf8 -E 'say fc "ẞ"' < 1719807324 725747 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ss < 1719807335 553243 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, that's an interesting casefold normalization < 1719807339 531112 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I guess it makes sense, considering < 1719807435 62054 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, that's how to get perl to do that, I was missing -Mutf8 and switched to python to get HackEso to respond correctly < 1719807439 81877 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, those cases where there are multiple ways to case-fold. < 1719807440 411504 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :But yeah, also a very good example for this kind of nonsense. :-) < 1719807458 914404 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: -C is for reading/writing files and argv, -Mutf8 is for the program itself < 1719807521 381658 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I think that the working of international domain names is no good; I had idea how to make a better way. It would involve a code to select a language (a domain component has only one language), which has its own character set that does not distinguish uppercase/lowercase, instead of using Unicode. And then, TLS certificates and most other file formats would use only the ASCII format of the domain name. < 1719807541 623708 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Since the ASCII format is most portable and will be consistent, so it won't cause the problem.) < 1719807613 488200 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then, each of these small character sets will have mapping to Extended TRON Code, althogh they would also be possible to use as stand-alone character sets, so a program can use them directly if desired (and in most cases would use them directly) < 1719807707 833291 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :JAA: Thanks for the Greek and Turkish examples, sigma should have been obvious when I was trying to think of one. Intuitively Σ -> σ, and ς is a context dependent version of σ. I hope casefold agrees. < 1719807894 918721 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -C63 -Mutf8 -E 'say fc "Σσς"' < 1719807896 513566 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​σσσ < 1719807902 590237 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it does < 1719808154 684450 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1719808318 896194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chef14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131866&oldid=127241 5* 03Indigo 5* (+25) 10Blog seems to no longer be online > 1719808381 825551 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chef14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131867&oldid=131866 5* 03Indigo 5* (+38) 10 < 1719808831 419122 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :My Conedy "Hello, World!" sketch uses 104 letter pairs (one for each output bit), that's 5% of the available pairs. < 1719808831 689926 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought re-using nets for output would be impractical because every net has only one beacon to head for afterwards. < 1719808831 769403 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But there might be up to 3 distinct exit paths depending on the angle of incidence? > 1719808842 357900 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*&&^14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131868&oldid=131758 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+25) 10 < 1719808868 321292 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would be amazing if the outcome of this were "Conedy is almost TC, but there aren't enough letters in Unicode to make it work" < 1719808872 891358 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not totally convinced by that output convention. The input form makes more sense though. Encoding data in decimal places of rationals is what makes the language interesting. < 1719808914 522648 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It'd expand as Unicode does, so it'lll be Unicode version dependent < 1719809345 865248 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :A more satisfying Hello World would be something that aimed and exited the playing field at, say x or y coord < 1719809347 133069 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` python -c "print('10.' + ''.join([str(ord(c)).zfill(3) for c in 'Hello, World!']))" < 1719809349 597578 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :10.072101108108111044032087111114108100033 < 1719809700 740699 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1719810125 77578 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :About the Turkish alphabets, that is why I put a separate code for them: 0x702149 for dotless uppercase I but the 0x702249 for the ordinary uppercase I whose lowercase does have a dot but uppercase doesn't. And then, 0x709149 will mean the uppercase I including a dot. (This is not always useful in all applications, but for some applications this will help significantly.) < 1719810241 521216 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :New versions of a character set ought to not cause programs to change, anyways. < 1719810893 170826 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :These are reasons why I write software to not use Unicode, as much as possible. Other people do not think about the consideration properly, and will say, O, we will put Unicode; that way you can write international text and now the program is international. Well, that won't work, and it might also just get in the way, depending on what exactly your program is doing (it is not same for all programs, though). < 1719811388 729196 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now if I understand correctly, a Conedy source file could contain either a Ii pair OR a İi pair unambiguously, and the spec is clear. < 1719811396 538172 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was generating a list of valid pairs to compose scripts from. It never occurred to me that some valid pairs would be mutually exclusive. < 1719811456 209552 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Σσ και Σς are other examples of mutually exclusive pairs. < 1719811513 918978 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe, if they should make a non-Unicode variant which can be better. For example, each cell contains an integer; each positive must have a corresponding negative and vice-versa; nonzero integers must be unique within the program; and the sum of all of the numbers in the program must add up to zero. < 1719811617 106055 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is a lot more clear cut. I think the problem (which I run into frequently with eso-langs) is you want a distinct 1 character symbol for each numeric value < 1719811726 161120 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :.. an idea I am working on involves extending utf8 to enable infinite codepoints to work with an alphabet with one symbol for every natural number < 1719811760 562224 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is extensions like that of UTF-8, I think. < 1719811804 690062 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Instead of positive / negative pairs, would adjacent odd/even codepoints work? They wouldn't neccesarily look related, which is the advantage case has < 1719811825 130496 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, UTF-8 is not the only character encoding (nor is Unicode the only character set, although an extension of UTF-8 beyond U+10FFFF is already not Unicode anyways) < 1719811848 191173 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, odd/even like that would work, and is sometimes the way of converting integers into natural numbers by a 1:1 correspondence. < 1719811861 480455 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would be super interested in knowing of a UTF-8 extension like that, the encoding to extend it is pretty obvious, the question is why anyone would bother :) < 1719812006 118170 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did look, but there's enough confusion around UTF-8, I don't know what terms to search for to find a hypothetical infinite alphabet solution. < 1719812013 325488 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know, but I think it is unnecessary and not helpful in this case anyways. Anyways, even without such an extension, UTF-8 can encode any unsigned 31-bit number. (This technically allows encoding TRON characters (up to 128 volumes) in UTF-8 without ambiguity, but it isn't a very good way of doing it anyways.) < 1719812038 127224 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have seen the infinite variant of UTF-8 called "UTF-8-infinity", although I could not find it recently. < 1719812108 115600 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's possible it's something I wrote on the esolangs wiki, that would be funny. I have at least two works in progress of the idea (but I keep getting sidetracked) < 1719812327 146819 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :recently I realised that not only do I need to write the codec, I need to rewrite 'String' to work with it too, which is actually the more complex part, and figure out some intermediate representations that don't clash with existing ones < 1719812526 274578 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just looking at TRON now. I have always liked Unicode, but suspected that if I had more experience or requirement for Chinese I'd change my mind pretty quickly. It seems a weak point, and TBH I avoid looking into the details, as some sort of cognitive dissonance avoidance. < 1719812638 337406 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zz038: when you say "0x702149 for dotless uppercase " is that TRON, or a custom encoding? < 1719812698 147853 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It is an unofficial "Extended TRON Code". So, it can be used with TRON code (it is a different plane number, so it does not overlap the existing codes) < 1719812752 429156 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does TRON have an upper limit? < 1719812754 167071 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Officially, you can use 0x212349 for the JIS character English uppercase I, though, which still is available in the Extended TRON Code, too) < 1719812825 613244 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :TRON does not have an upper limit, although some encodings may have limits, and computer programs may have practical limits. There is a limit of 10648000 characters per volume, although the number of volumes is unlimited. TRON-32 encoding supports up to 256 volumes; TRON-8 and TRON-16 are theoretically unlimited.) < 1719812901 262118 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The names "TRON-8", "TRON-16", and "TRON-32" are my own names for the encodings; as far as I know there are no official names for them, although the Ruby programming language uses "TADTextBE" for what I call "TRON-16BE", and "stateless-TADTextBE" for what I call "TRON-32BE". As far as I can tell, usually "TRON code" refers to the TRON-16 encoding (like how in the past, "Unicode" often referred to UTF-16).) < 1719812972 141995 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wrote a article on Just Solve The File Format Problem Wiki about TRON character code, although there is a lot of stuff I could not figure out, so I could not include. < 1719813063 934070 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(My use of the word "volume" here is also my own; I don't know what (if any) official terminology exists for the concept that I am refering to, since most of the information is in Japanese and even that is difficult to find.) < 1719813326 456717 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1719813466 853010 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thanks, this is interesting, I'll have to read more. I have not encountered TRON before, but it seems like it's been around for a while. Knowing there is Ruby support is good, and makes sense. < 1719813711 821259 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1719813782 685344 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have made a bitmap font for the first TRON plane, which is based on combining several other fonts, and then I added the braille by myself. (Actually, the list of fonts in esolang wiki (the article called "Font") does list this font.) Later, I would hope that bitmap fonts for the other planes can also be made up, including the unofficial Extended planes. < 1719813983 864962 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I had also found TrueType fonts for the second and third TRON planes; however, they are split across fourteen fonts, with Unicode mappings that have no relation to TRON code nor Unicode, with PDF files describing the mappings. It seems difficult to actually make them useful; I have tried to parse data from the PDF automatically but could not get it to work, so it would have to be entered manually.) > 1719815111 884742 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Input only14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131869 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10Created blank page > 1719816202 86182 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131870&oldid=131829 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+24) 10 > 1719816213 58805 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131871&oldid=131870 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+10) 10 > 1719816222 181438 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131872&oldid=131871 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-1) 10 > 1719816298 458999 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131873&oldid=131872 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+37) 10 > 1719816409 239510 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131874&oldid=131873 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+93) 10 > 1719817503 289713 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131875&oldid=131874 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+344) 10 > 1719817519 891876 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131876&oldid=131875 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+5) 10/* not */ > 1719817932 311397 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131877&oldid=131876 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+82) 10 < 1719818565 722404 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1719818743 624717 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1719819084 378104 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: yes, the complications of the turkish i, the vietnamese i, and the russian vs serbian i/p and š/t force tradeoffs on us, they mean there's no single way to deal with letter case differences that's the best for all applications, sadly. < 1719819152 270750 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Unicode category Ll has 2,155 entries, Lu has 1,791" => that's mostly because of letters that are used only in various IPA-like phonetic transcriptions though < 1719819256 229346 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"trying to do TLS certificate validation on a domain containing an ß leads to surprise fireworks" => hehe < 1719819541 206597 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: "extension of UTF-8 beyond U+10FFFF" => https://ucsx.org/ < 1719819993 181451 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx, ais523: if you're running low on letter for a Conedy program, you could use characters composed from multiple code points as a cell, like и́И́, and hope that the interpreter handles them properly < 1719820176 190007 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` datei # we need a new password, right? < 1719820178 894909 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-07-01 07:49:37.558 +0000 UTC July 1 Monday 2024-W27-1 < 1719820614 592543 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also this years ICFP contest names its associated esoteric language ICFP, which will result in an even weirder entry on the esowiki than the languages called GCC and GHC did < 1719821206 143426 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i started icfp < 1719821212 611346 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i didn't understand how strings are not terminated < 1719821291 773322 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: in the source code, every token is terminated by a space < 1719821374 232233 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: note that the source code character set differs from the character set in which you read the strings, so this is ASCII space terminator, while space in the string is represented by ascii right bracket or something like that < 1719821394 670643 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh that explains it haha < 1719821522 279985 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1719821543 36124 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: UCS-∞ is perfect, thank you! The encoding seems... more thoughtful than what I came up with, they have thought about practical performance issues for very large code points. < 1719821863 805878 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: "use characters composed from multiple code points as a cell, like и́И́" Good idea, that does seem an intuitive extension. I'll consider adding it, it probably won't happen by default. < 1719822497 492322 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, I totally overlooked "Yet another useful property of one-to-six-byte UTF-8 is that the leading byte indicates the length of a code." < 1719822640 89259 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not saying that this is necessary, it's quite possible that the few thousand available upper-lower case pairs are sufficient for TCness < 1719823029 415998 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is kind of like the M:tG creature types thing < 1719823131 475675 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was about to agree, but limiting the pairs in Conedy is like limiting the length of the source code. I that same same role M:tG creatures play? < 1719823259 532095 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like how the number of waterclocks in The Waterfall Model are not the same as number of registers in a Minsky machine < 1719823334 530824 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :lisbeths < 1719823407 464312 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: the creature types thing comes up when we examine the eso-question of how we can do universal computations in M:tG. (there are multiple variants of what question you want answered.) the constructions that we have use creature types as a resource, so we compile from some intermediate language and how much of something the source program uses turns into how many creature types there are. the < 1719823413 441250 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :number of creature types is around 279, but this number increases at most rules changes, because the new expansion set has cards that are of new creature types or mention new creature types (usually because they have rules for creating a token of that type, but there are exceptions like Coward). except I think the number of creature types decreased at the Lorwyn update. < 1719823420 224711 :Koen!~Koen@2a04:cec0:103e:763b:cfb:b9ad:6c8f:e412 JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1719823499 824524 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if you could design a programming language that deliberately uses some such list as a resource, and such that the limit is near some computational power jump. like a language where the source code is a list of countries, and it's TC iff Kosovo is a country < 1719823552 676941 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe it depends on the scrabble word list, and whether QI and ZA are words changes the power < 1719823687 950584 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol, that could probably be contrived somehow, by forcing elements to have to work together. Aren't most TC limits 1,2, or 3 (2-reg Minsky) (3 cell bf) < 1719823712 773128 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.235.74 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1719823881 968058 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see creatures are explicitly equivalent to waterclocks in the flooding waterfall model. They represent source code and data, Conedy letter pairs just represent source code... they seem similar though < 1719823972 235666 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :an efghij-style language where you need smartphones with different brands of operating systems for loops, so whether you can find two non-Android non-Apple phones decides if you can be TC < 1719824049 213193 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if the basic construction could be TC (maybe it is, maybe it isn't) it probably has the same kind of leeway that future specs could have more letters (/ creatures) ... so it's potentially unlimited < 1719824170 107623 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.235.74 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1719824248 760232 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a language where parts of the source code are read from the internet in such a way that you need to have access to domain names under different top-level domains to be able to write a program < 1719824345 669441 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :having it conditional on useful discoveries (drugs, planets, mathematical proofs), maybe a Minsky machine with registers addressable by the names of planetary bodies which have independently evolved life? < 1719824421 266732 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd like to try running an Earth, Enceladus pair to see if that compiles... < 1719824595 318516 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.235.74 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1719824853 84777 :jix_!~jix@user/jix QUIT :Quit: quit < 1719825653 105335 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Could someone please produce a chart showing the number of M:tG creatures vs. number of Conedy compliant Unicode character pairs over time, to indicate likely future trends? <== isn't there an esolang where asking in IRC is valid code? (trying my luck) < 1719825856 935922 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/IRP is a thing, yes. < 1719826210 657826 :Koen_!~Koen@2a04:cec0:102d:e2f5:c534:72f3:4385:bb94 JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1719826425 660502 :Koen!~Koen@2a04:cec0:103e:763b:cfb:b9ad:6c8f:e412 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1719826432 98875 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.235.74 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1719826904 380504 :jix!~jix@user/jix JOIN #esolangs jix :Jannis Harder < 1719827209 543710 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1719827494 877696 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :an esolang where the source code is a person or team, and the program is ran by transforming this person's or teams achievements in some sport to source code for a simpler esolang. if you want the program whose source code you are to do something interesting, then you have to bat/throw/swim/climb specific sequences in multiple ranked matches. > 1719828412 373527 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ICFP14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131878 5* 03B jonas 5* (+363) 10Created page with "'''IFCP''' is an esoteric programming language involved in the tasks for [[:Category:ICFP contest|]] 2024. (No description given here yet because the contest is still ongoing for a few hours.) == External links == * [https://icfpcontest2024.github.io/ ICFP 2024 contest > 1719828511 706422 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131879&oldid=128843 5* 03B jonas 5* (+33) 10/* Todo */ > 1719829247 196124 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Gilbert189/Languages in concept14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131880&oldid=131195 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (+7951) 10It's an esolang! It's a conlang! No, it's... whatever this is. < 1719829264 641802 :Reinhilde!ellenor@invictus.wa.us.umbrellix.net PART #esolangs :Now, I'm the vixen with a knife, and I want blood. < 1719829556 197782 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:dbc8:76a0:71b7:76f9 JOIN #esolangs * :realname > 1719829761 83756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131881&oldid=131877 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+41) 10/* examples */ > 1719829771 395431 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131882&oldid=131881 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10/* nand */ > 1719830438 116049 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131883&oldid=131882 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1) 10 > 1719830793 747190 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131884&oldid=131515 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (+146) 10/* General Ideas */ > 1719831296 901694 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131885&oldid=131883 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+83) 10 > 1719831297 76990 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131886&oldid=131483 5* 03Unicodes 5* (+75) 10added 4 words :/ > 1719831948 654696 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ICFP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131887&oldid=131878 5* 03None1 5* (+0) 10ICFP or IFCP? < 1719832298 477604 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1719832784 965553 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131888&oldid=131885 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+4) 10/* not */ > 1719832847 215466 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131889&oldid=131888 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+9) 10/* examples */ > 1719833326 49801 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131890&oldid=131889 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+269) 10 > 1719833383 972854 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131891&oldid=131890 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-74) 10/* examples */ > 1719833470 871529 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131892&oldid=131891 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+2) 10/* A OR B */ > 1719833491 430065 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131893&oldid=131892 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10/* nand */ > 1719833503 108890 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131894&oldid=131893 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+4) 10/* nand */ > 1719835443 135505 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DorIsch 5* 10New user account > 1719835546 686111 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ICFP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131895&oldid=131887 5* 03B jonas 5* (+119) 10 > 1719837463 56082 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ulsl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131896&oldid=129535 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+14) 10 > 1719837612 862901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131897&oldid=131886 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+45) 10u p s i d e d o w n > 1719837700 154026 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131898&oldid=131897 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+8) 10t o c > 1719838654 865910 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Galveston14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131899&oldid=101437 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+145) 10/* External resources */ Link to UCS- Specification < 1719838706 268141 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:dbc8:76a0:71b7:76f9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1719838742 557345 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GHost CPU14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131900 5* 03B jonas 5* (+2255) 10Created page with "'''GHost CPU''' (GHC) is one of the languages used in the [[:Category:ICFP contest|]] 2014. GHC is designed to resemble an 1980s 8-bit microcontroller. It has a read-only code memory made of 256 instructions, a read-write data memory made of 256 bytes, 8 general-p > 1719838766 467457 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GHC14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131901 5* 03B jonas 5* (+23) 10Redirected page to [[GHost CPU]] < 1719840612 506560 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1719841410 687241 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.206.217.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1719841492 643743 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.204.27.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull < 1719841518 904114 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the C standard says that in struct tm, the normal range of the tm_mon field is 0 to 11 inclusive, and, in the docs of the asctime function, even specifies the abbreviated names of the 12 months in normative text. This means the standard library could use the Julian calendar, the Gregorian calendar, a combination of the two with the transition < 1719841519 403172 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :date dependent on the local timezone, or even a different 12-month calendar with the same month names; but it can't use a lunisolar calendar, since that would need 13 different month indexes in some years. that's a pity. if we do a calendar reform, gmtime/localtime/mktime might have to return the broken down date in the old Gregorian calendar for < 1719841519 905547 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :compatibility with the C standard. > 1719841945 396525 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131902&oldid=131894 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+79) 10 > 1719842171 625972 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131903&oldid=131902 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+116) 10/* examples */ < 1719842303 192539 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.161.136 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1719842336 373220 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131904&oldid=131903 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+111) 10 > 1719842449 750934 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131905&oldid=131904 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+41) 10 < 1719842468 770204 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's a land type, not a creature type. > 1719842895 650354 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131906&oldid=131905 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+173) 10/* A OR B */ > 1719842910 520907 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131907&oldid=131906 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+6) 10/* A NOR B */ < 1719843037 742532 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.161.136 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1719843174 827971 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131908&oldid=131907 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+127) 10/* examples */ < 1719843510 815855 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1719843688 756071 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131909&oldid=131908 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+77) 10/* A AND B */ > 1719844090 72698 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131910&oldid=131909 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+295) 10/* examples */ > 1719844103 15339 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131911&oldid=131910 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+2) 10/* A > B */ < 1719845511 301708 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1 - https://znc.in < 1719845511 445379 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1 - https://znc.in < 1719846318 336628 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1719846407 362443 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1719848897 662492 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.161.82 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1719850292 262252 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07General Compute Coprocessor14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131912 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1482) 10Created page with "'''General Compute Coprocessor''' (GCC) is one of the languages used in the [[:Category:ICFP contest|ICFP contest]] 2014. GCC is a virtual machine intended for running a lisp-like untyped functional language compiled to it. There are built-in ins > 1719850316 448588 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GCC14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131913 5* 03B jonas 5* (+41) 10Redirected page to [[General Compute Coprocessor]] > 1719850454 572989 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131914&oldid=131879 5* 03B jonas 5* (-45) 10/* Todo */ < 1719851047 507382 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: re: C restricting its time functions to 12 months: Java actually has constants for 13 months in order to work around that problem (the constants are normatively named JANUARY, FEBRUARY, etc., with the 13th being UNDECIMBER) < 1719851451 971868 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1719851526 372097 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1719851746 259163 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1719852067 976470 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1719852141 946489 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1719852564 43778 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1719852638 669590 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1719854339 697057 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looks like that's the case for the old java.util.Calendar, but not for the new java.time.Month enumeration, which just has the usual 12 constants. < 1719854460 40335 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.161.82 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1719856005 737965 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1719856754 618883 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In operating system designs I had considered the calendar also with i18n, as well as text and other stuff. A calendar does not even necessarily have months/weeks/etc; so strftime and that stuff is not used mainly but for international calendars you will have a different function, and won't use the locales like C and POSIX are using. < 1719856792 124434 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :For general timekeeping, there are four kind of timestamps: SI relative, SI absolute, UTC relative, UTC absolute. These can be converted into whatever kind of calendars you want to use, but these four kind are independent of the calendars in use. < 1719856911 895447 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Distinguishing SI and UTC is necessary in order to deal with leap seconds. Furthermore, they use the number of seconds and nanoseconds; UTC timestamps may have a number of nanoseconds exceeding one billion in some cases. Furthermore, arithmetic on such timestamps may sometimes result in missing fields, which is just something that you will have to deal with.) < 1719857022 999180 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN #esolangs * :rodgort < 1719857041 598821 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :This way would also avoid the confusion involving Julian vs Gregorian calendar, hopefully. < 1719857103 510819 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1719857524 511107 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, neither Unicode nor TRON code nor any other character set solves all of the problems. Some people expect to solve it by just putting in Unicode, but that won't help and neither will TRON code. TRON code has many advantages over Unicode in my opinion, but what a program or file format should need is not something that is solved merely by putting in some kind of universal character set. < 1719857556 881995 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1719857641 38445 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What I had consider with operating system design though, is it can handle "long character sets" and "short character sets". The long character set is Extended TRON Code. Short character sets always use 8-bit codse. (Individual programs can do what they need to do, although these are the general uses by what is handled and interchanged by most things in the operating system that need to deal with text.) < 1719857651 625243 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Not everything does need to deal with text, of course.) < 1719857783 641923 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1719858212 965149 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1719858243 366177 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :UCS-G is something that would make sense for some programs to support, if they deal with Unicode-based encodings such as UTF-8 and UTF-32 (although perhaps not UTF-16, since that is more complicated and is not the simple obvious thing to do which can be done directly and easily). < 1719858833 564539 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1719859690 763117 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131915&oldid=131911 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1) 10/* XOR */ > 1719859746 472356 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131916&oldid=131915 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10/* A OR B */ < 1719860423 909971 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1719860588 429073 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :lisbeths > 1719862556 197977 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shape-Machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131917&oldid=131864 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10 > 1719862607 326639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shape-Machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131918&oldid=131917 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-29) 10/* Python3 */ > 1719862630 69325 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shape-Machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131919&oldid=131918 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-101) 10 > 1719863136 137712 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shape-Machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131920&oldid=131919 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+120) 10/* Implementations */ < 1719863816 4045 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`learn The password of the month is making the garbage collector hard to implement with its unpredictable lifetime. < 1719863820 782860 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is making the garbage collector hard to implement with its unpredictable lifetime. > 1719864147 30735 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131921&oldid=130126 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+43) 10/* Looping counter */ > 1719864161 646134 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131922&oldid=131921 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+43) 10/* Looping counter */ > 1719866157 329732 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SPIKE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131923&oldid=131853 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-82) 10/* Commands */ > 1719866303 506008 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-S)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131924&oldid=129200 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+39) 10/* Spin */ > 1719866341 470758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131925&oldid=130114 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-217) 10/* */ > 1719866380 845830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131926&oldid=131925 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-105) 10/* */ > 1719866403 534224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131927&oldid=131926 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+104) 10/* */ < 1719866557 955069 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.144.6 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1719867005 766040 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1719868101 357712 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :realname < 1719868469 548990 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1719868576 538269 :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs esolangs :esolangs.org < 1719868576 635578 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +v :esolangs > 1719868863 535021 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shape-Machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131928&oldid=131920 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+121) 10/* Implementations */ I don't quite understand what this is, but here's an interactive graph. < 1719868931 638631 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.144.6 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1719869345 648920 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.144.6 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1719869396 762942 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.144.6 QUIT :Client Quit < 1719869553 456221 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1719869597 722786 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bah, `apt full-upgrade` (from Debian 11 to 12) wants to install apache2 for some reason. < 1719869775 796033 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can't really tell why. As it stands, `aptitude why apache2` just says certbot (installed) suggests python3-certbot-apache, which depends on apache2, but that's just a 'suggests', and it's not planning to install python3-certbot-apache, I think `aptitude why` just tries to explain why it might currently be needed, not what might eventually need it after the upgrade. < 1719869858 697296 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It is planning to install libapache2-mod-php8.2, which might be the reason why it's planning to install apache2, so maybe it's something to do with the PHP upgrade. < 1719869859 531558 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, it's a bit of a pain to debug that kind of thing. < 1719869875 777022 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :You could do `apt-cache rdepends apache2` and then compare that to what is being installed. < 1719869925 401403 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another thing to try would be to disable recommended packages, but that might not be desirable in all cases. < 1719870007 356421 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It is going to install php8.2, which depends on "libapache2-mod-php8.2 | php8.2-fpm | php8.2-cgi, php8.2-common", but it's installing php8.2-fpm so it shouldn't also need to install libapache2-mod-php8.2 too. But I'm still guessing it's a PHP thing. < 1719870065 247738 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's also going to use "986 MB of additional disk space" which is _slightly_ concerning because the wiki-machine is already using 66% (17G) of the available 25G of disk. < 1719870146 37308 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`apt full-upgrade --no-install-recommends` doesn't want apache2, so I guess it is a recommended package somewhere indeed. Maybe I'll diff what it's planning, and if nothing important seems to be left out I'll go with that. < 1719871092 408090 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why is php installed in first... never mind, it's for MediaWiki obviously < 1719871139 200456 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1719871926 963437 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1719872332 948522 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just went with the default full-upgrade and then uninstalled apache2 after the fact. < 1719872355 638302 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The nginx metrics powering my fancy dashboard were broken by the upgrade though. < 1719872542 373344 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just one more reboot, hopefully. < 1719872646 296758 :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs esolangs :esolangs.org < 1719872646 333082 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +v :esolangs < 1719873012 422511 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I really should have some sort of a staging environment set up for this thing. > 1719873032 455502 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131929&oldid=130462 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+196) 10/* Fix the name */ new section < 1719873427 969633 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Things seem to be mostly working, except the HackEso container doesn't. < 1719873496 895893 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's set up in a systemd-nspawn thing, in which the UML stuff runs, but now `machinectl shell ...` just immediately exits. > 1719873588 508875 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish/Implementations (M-Z)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131930&oldid=131602 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+286) 10Super ZZ Zero (assembly) < 1719873789 757693 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wonder what's wrong with that. `machinectl login ...` does give me a getty "in" it (well, the hostname looks right and so on), but I can't log in because there are no users with passwords in there. > 1719873952 373638 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:One Time Cat14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131931 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+212) 10/* How does the program actually work? */ new section > 1719873961 534589 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:One Time Cat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131932&oldid=131931 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+90) 10forgot signature > 1719873998 135327 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:One Time Cat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131933&oldid=131932 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+0) 10 < 1719874640 576544 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1719874745 540431 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. `systemd-run -M ... -P` seems to work for running things in the container. I think it must be some sort of pty and/or permissions problem. < 1719874985 543716 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Managed to dig down the error for the bot, which seems to be something networking-related. < 1719875476 84926 :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs esolangs :esolangs.org < 1719875476 150001 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +v :esolangs < 1719875524 855407 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.144.6 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1719875931 355512 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Would a computer architecture that performs addition using a lookup table in memory be considered esoteric? > 1719875932 395044 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07General Compute Coprocessor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131934&oldid=131912 5* 03B jonas 5* (+301) 10 < 1719876061 879778 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: likely, and I think there's such a machine somewhere though I don't remember the name < 1719876083 51263 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"The 1620 was announced in 1959 and targetted at the small scientific market. Its internal code name CADET was jokingly said to mean "Can't Add, Doesn't Even Try", referring to the use of addition tables in memory rather than dedicated addition circuitry." < 1719876155 520984 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't found documentation for how the tables are meant to be loaded in memory. One reference to maybe loading the tables being part of the programs? < 1719876156 356279 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: https://esolangs.org/wiki/BytePusher < 1719877036 44043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh god now I want to add audio to that JS implementation < 1719877313 938650 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.144.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1719877720 859674 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped. < 1719879688 431665 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The wiki needs a page for BQN, it seems to be a popular current APL-like, and is referenced a few times from some articles already. https://mlochbaum.github.io/BQN/ < 1719881981 614020 :Koen_!~Koen@2a04:cec0:102d:e2f5:c534:72f3:4385:bb94 QUIT :Quit: Leaving... > 1719883761 789412 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ImTooLazyToMakeAnActuallyGoodEsolang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131935 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+194) 10Created page with "it would be really funny if I changed , to / so you could create "morse code". ~~~~" > 1719883881 917986 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BQN14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131936 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+221) 10I know nothing about this, just found a series of 'inspired by BQN' references and was surprised there was no article yet > 1719884092 9464 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Empty14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131937&oldid=131670 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+268) 10/* Programs */ > 1719884141 424430 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Empty14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131938&oldid=131937 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+8) 10/* Calculator */ > 1719884150 338959 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131939&oldid=106986 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+4) 10/* External links */ link to BQN > 1719884172 924892 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Empty14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131940&oldid=131938 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+7) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ > 1719884296 643122 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quiner14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131941&oldid=124422 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+4) 10/* Interpreters */ link to BQN > 1719885892 919013 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131942 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+1601) 10Created page with "''' 'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.''' is made by ~~~~ === > 1719885919 115513 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131943&oldid=131942 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+17) 10 > 1719885965 726446 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131944&oldid=131943 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+29) 10 > 1719885975 286470 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131945&oldid=131944 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+1) 10/* truthmachine */ > 1719886039 180647 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131946&oldid=131945 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+0) 10/* truth-machine */ > 1719886328 439808 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131947&oldid=131946 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+59) 10 > 1719886353 269996 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131948&oldid=131947 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-157) 10 > 1719886370 336934 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131949&oldid=131543 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+100) 10 > 1719886407 806019 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131950&oldid=131948 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+29) 10 > 1719886478 865188 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131951&oldid=131950 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-2) 10/* quine= = */ > 1719886494 927170 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131952&oldid=131951 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+8) 10/* program */ > 1719886551 777904 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131953&oldid=131952 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+114) 10/* program */ > 1719886596 736809 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131954&oldid=131953 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+62) 10/* commands */ < 1719886640 799703 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a reference for what "Audio Test" is supposed to sound like? My attempt to make a reference doesn't quite sound like what I've heard > 1719886760 969230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131955&oldid=131954 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+113) 10/* program */ > 1719886907 571914 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131956&oldid=131955 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+62) 10 > 1719886928 701752 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131957&oldid=131956 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+9) 10/* /// program */ > 1719887006 141253 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131958&oldid=131957 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-36) 10/* Slashes program */ > 1719887025 133161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131959&oldid=131958 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+7) 10/* \ */ > 1719887110 922152 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Maybe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131960&oldid=126816 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-2) 10 < 1719888271 448357 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no intuition for how ByteByteJump can do calculations < 1719889091 251092 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you would have to use lookup tables to make calculation < 1719889301 371177 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, do the addresses have to be larger than a byte? That... makes it make more sense, you could.. modify a part of a destination address? < 1719890080 525549 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.163.176 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1719892380 905639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh < 1719892382 79118 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Well, since we have no ALU, arithmetic/logic operations have to be performed by way of table lookups, which requires X to be ≥ 2 for the machine to function at all." < 1719893686 75499 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.163.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice quote, fizzie > 1719895115 456219 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:BytePusher14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131961&oldid=88581 5* 03Sgeo 5* (+338) 10/* Audio from "Audio Test" */ new section > 1719896354 456291 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:BytePusher14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131962&oldid=131961 5* 03Sgeo 5* (+2) 10Fix typo in repo name < 1719898216 785560 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1719899926 963332 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Conedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131963&oldid=57016 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+160) 10It's a little hard to confirm this interpreter is totally correct, it might need tuning. Bug reports more than welcome! < 1719901728 13041 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.163.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1719902181 145487 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1719906644 859942 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1719908056 812485 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1719909055 433862 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: so BytePusher uses 3-byte long addresses and copies one byte at a time. The easy way to do calculations would be to have full 64k sized lookup tables for an arithmetic operation, which you may be able to afford if you have lots of RAM or ROM, or cheat by simulating ROM with hardware or software that computes the result from the lookup table on the fly. But it turns out you don't actually need full < 1719909061 469921 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :64k lookup tables, you can get away with just some 4k sized ones. Eg. have a 4k sized lookup table with hex address FE0uxy with value uy to get the low nybble of a byte xy, then one at hex address FE1uxy with value ux to isolate the high nybble, then a 4k sized table at FE2yzw with value zw+0y to add the a nybble, and a 4k sized table at FE3xzw with value zw+x0 to add a high nybble, and then to do the < 1719909067 453172 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :addition zw+xy you first use the first table at FE02xy to get 2y and then you use that 2y to look up FE2yzw to get the intermediate result zw+0y, let's call that st, then look up FE13xy to get 3x, then use that to look up FE3xst to get the final result st+x0 of the addition. You can do subtraction and bitwise ops in a similar way, and even multiplication with an extra addition step using a table to < 1719909073 457275 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :multiply with low nybble and another table to multiply with high nybble. Then you can use a few more helper tables to get comparisons and the carry of addition so that you can build multi-byte integer arithmetic too. < 1719909077 464767 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I admit I don't like this model of computation, but it is workable. < 1719911053 498781 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and of course since basic arithmetic is such a common need, you'd put a bunch of tables and common subroutines like this into your ROM or KERNAL or operating system or standard library to share them among most programs ran on the computer < 1719911598 676204 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`mediatype:texts AND language:(ukr OR Ukrainian) AND scanningcenter:*` is what I used with the ia client tool. Yes, I was hoping for more too :( < 1719911600 577031 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :mediatype:texts? No such file or directory > 1719914210 178714 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Welcome to Esolang, the esoteric programming languages wiki!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131964&oldid=114186 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+33) 10/* Example */ > 1719914224 945973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Welcome to Esolang, the esoteric programming languages wiki!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131965&oldid=131964 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+17) 10/* Quine */ > 1719914300 406810 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Welcome to Esolang, the esoteric programming languages wiki!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131966&oldid=131965 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-10) 10/* Quine */ < 1719914472 364246 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1719914500 467427 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1719916417 146365 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown > 1719917120 5634 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02User:Ractangle/Inded10]] to [[User:Ractangle/None,]] > 1719917613 890095 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/None,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131969&oldid=131967 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+300) 10 > 1719917625 790174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02User:Ractangle/None,10]] to [[Ractangle/None,]] > 1719917642 107975 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02Ractangle/None,10]] to [[User:Ractangle/None,]] over redirect > 1719917642 125459 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete_redir10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10Ractangle deleted redirect [[02User:Ractangle/None,10]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[Ractangle/None,]]" < 1719917681 516515 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.144.110 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1719917856 335560 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/None,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131974&oldid=131972 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+135) 10 > 1719918062 864725 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/None,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131975&oldid=131974 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+13) 10/* Commands */ > 1719918093 190813 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/None,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131976&oldid=131975 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+148) 10/* Hello, world! */ > 1719918217 529656 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/None,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131977&oldid=131976 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+45) 10/* Commands */ > 1719918276 605253 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/None,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131978&oldid=131977 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+37) 10/* Commands */ > 1719918368 84368 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/None,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131979&oldid=131978 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+67) 10/* Commands */ > 1719918586 193668 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/None,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131980&oldid=131979 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+245) 10/* Examples */ > 1719918595 413850 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/None,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131981&oldid=131980 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-11) 10/* Deadfish implementation */ > 1719918604 392350 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/None,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131982&oldid=131981 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* Deadfish implementation */ > 1719918621 322095 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02User:Ractangle/None,10]] to [[None,]] > 1719918653 361234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131985&oldid=131787 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+36) 10 > 1719918663 655828 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131986&oldid=131985 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+4) 10 > 1719918741 886185 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131987&oldid=127051 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10prints Nopf. for somereason < 1719920883 39441 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1719921707 978660 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131988&oldid=131916 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-5) 10 > 1719921788 349911 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131989&oldid=131988 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-67) 10/* A AND B */ < 1719922454 504452 :X-Scale71!~X-Scale@31.22.144.110 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1719922501 958630 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.144.110 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1719923273 722043 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131990&oldid=131922 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+304) 10/* Truth-machine (kinda) */ > 1719923542 837310 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131991&oldid=131990 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+89) 10/* Truth-machine (kinda) */ > 1719923819 657996 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131992&oldid=131991 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+44) 10/* Truth-machine (kinda) */ < 1719924158 933366 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Raoof < 1719924347 896368 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` thank fizzie # I see HackEso is working again. < 1719924348 819986 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :bash: thank: command not found < 1719924367 253694 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :uh < 1719924372 777613 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` thanks fizzie < 1719924373 700620 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thanks, fizzie. Thizzie. < 1719924808 919373 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello all, I have a very simple idea about a language inspired by Z3 and Blindfolded Arithmetic, that I conjecture to be total and turing complete, anybody interested ? should I create a page myself ? would you create one for me ? I conjecture that composition of these four function (the syntax is in javascript) < 1719924809 377418 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :sub = (a,b) => { if(a.v) return a; if(b.v) return b; return a-b-0n; } < 1719924809 877570 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :mul = (a,b) => { if(a.v) return a; if(b.v) return b; return a*b*1n; } < 1719924810 377700 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :div = (a,b) => { try{ if(a.v) return a; if(b.v) return b; return a/b*1n; }catch(e){ if(e.name==="RangeError") return {v:a,toString(){return this.v.toString();},[util.inspect.custom](){return this.v;}}; else throw e; } } < 1719924810 887364 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :inc = (a) => { if(a.v) return a; return a+1n; } < 1719924811 377320 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :are turing complete < 1719924833 371883 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Tarski => isn't this just underload without S and with the primitives renamed? < 1719924875 171875 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know, let me read it < 1719925002 525983 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: I don't understand, how would you get any loop from that? it looks like all those functions just finish quickly. also there's no nullary function so I'm not sure how you start building anything, or how this language is supposed to work. < 1719925003 225867 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, it was just a network configuration problem as far as the bot was concerned. Although I may still need to figure out why an interactive shell with a terminal in the container isn't working, since sometimes having one of those might be convenient. < 1719925118 907620 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas that is my conjecture, it does not have any loops, it is a non-recursive language < 1719925182 900493 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: if there are no loops then how can it be Turing-complete? < 1719925326 864147 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas my conjecture is that there is a non-recursive universal function for all functions in this language < 1719925350 459075 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't understand your statement then < 1719925424 661413 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :here are a few example how to program with it, you can see that all function from integer to integer are computable in the limit (meaning unbounded program length) < 1719925425 159247 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :zero = (a) => sub(a,a) < 1719925425 659408 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :one = (a) => inc(zero(a)) < 1719925426 159934 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :two = (a) => inc(one(a)) < 1719925426 659371 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :three = (a) => inc(two(a)) < 1719925427 159380 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :negate = (a) => sub(zero(a),a) < 1719925427 659231 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :add = (a,b) => sub(a,negate(b)) < 1719925428 185926 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :rem = (a,b) => sub(a,mul(b,div(a,b))) < 1719925428 660019 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :square = (a) => mul(a,a) < 1719925429 159419 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :isNonZero = (a) => div(square(sub(square(a),one(a))),square(add(square(a),one(a)))) < 1719925429 659045 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :isZero = (a) => isNonZero(isNonZero(a)) < 1719925430 162670 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :not = (a) => isNonZero(a) < 1719925430 659835 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and = (a,b) => isZero(add(isZero(a),isZero(b))) < 1719925431 159384 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :or = (a,b) => isZero(mul(a,b)) < 1719925431 659949 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :eq = (a,b) => isZero(sub(a,b)) < 1719925432 159971 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :notEq = (a,b) => not(eq(a,b)) < 1719925432 660008 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :divz = (a,b) => div(a,add(b,isNonZero(b))) < 1719925433 159796 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :If = (a,b,c) => add(mul(isNonZero(a),b),mul(isZero(a),c)) < 1719925516 390011 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :now if you can find a non-recursive universal function then it shows that the language is turing complete < 1719925532 887870 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1719925583 141286 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but these building block functions and their compositions are computable. if you can't make an infinite loop from them then they can't be turing-complete, right? < 1719925750 140160 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :no it is logically possible that there is a non-recursive universal function but to find it I need a breakthrough in my understanding < 1719925750 230807 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or more concretely, it looks as if whatever you compose from these building blocks will be a function that can't grow faster than a polynomial in its outputs < 1719925752 769339 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in its inputs < 1719925775 539030 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm no, that's probably not true < 1719925784 108475 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but something like that probably is < 1719925850 658684 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :when you program a turing machine you have to encode the input similarly if you want to compute 2^n for example you have to encode the input as a unary number for example 2^11 = 4 < 1719926163 717798 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen JOIN #esolangs sbak :realname < 1719926253 546296 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: I saw what you were saying in the logs. I don't think it works that way. Your functions are always-terminating, and turing completeness requires non-terminating programs < 1719926429 273437 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :sbak I'm not convinced, can you explain why we need non-terminating programs ? < 1719926566 579252 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: I still don't understand what you start with, like what domain of values at least; and if if's just integers, then how do you get a function that grows faster than a polynomial < 1719926583 941296 :X-Scale71!~X-Scale@31.22.144.110 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1719926698 417038 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: simple argument is that any Turing complete language needs to be able to simulate arbitrary Turing machines. An always-terminating Turing complete language would therefore solve the Halting Problem < 1719926714 904277 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is proven to be impossible < 1719926834 892710 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, Turing completeness is not the be all end all of what makes a language useful or powerful. In practice, most programs don't really need it < 1719926895 933133 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1719926918 932979 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Raoof < 1719927026 984967 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've got disconnect for a few minutes, did I missed any messages ? < 1719927054 33009 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :possibly. Let me copy them for you < 1719927068 872764 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs : Raoof: simple argument is that any Turing complete language needs to be able to simulate arbitrary Turing machines. An always-terminating Turing complete language would therefore solve the Halting Problem < 1719927073 544764 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs : which is proven to be impossible < 1719927077 667958 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs : that said, Turing completeness is not the be all end all of what makes a language useful or powerful. In practice, most programs don't really need it < 1719927246 658684 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :sbak thanks. halting function is non-computable (because Turing-Machine is a non-computable language) even if this language turn out to be turing complete < 1719927295 42891 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :sbak in my understanding non-recursive is different than non-computable < 1719927332 590411 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :by the definition of Turing-completeness, a Turing-complete language needs to be able to simulate _any_ Turing machine. Including non-terminating ones. < 1719927344 881526 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :therefore a Turing-complete language has non-terminating programs < 1719927451 1568 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought that Turing-completeness means to be able to compute all total computable function, I change my conjecture this language can compute all total computable functions < 1719927478 760621 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: how do you get a power function, like a function f such that for any nonnegative integer x, f(x) is equal to 2 to the power of x ? < 1719927661 922922 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas if you want to compute an exponential function you have to encode the input as a unary number for example 4 in unary is 1111 or we can use 9 as the unary symbol and use 9999 so f(9999) = 16 < 1719927781 544867 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: er no, now you're inputting in unary but outputting in binary, that's cheating. or if you insist then compute a double exponential with that encoding. < 1719928157 602881 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas I don't understand why that is cheating, can you explain ? I don't think double exponential makes a difference but I have to think about that < 1719928292 338685 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: you're using a different encoding for the input than for the output, and since the input is encoded in a way that's exponentially larger then sure, then you can get one exponential. but if you want to implement all total functions from integers to integers then you need to implement arbitrarily fast growing functions, just one or two or < 1719928292 838507 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :three exponential doesn't cut it, you need to be able to implement ackermann too. but these building blocks look like they can't grow any faster than just a polynomial, which is why I asked for an exponential. < 1719929045 559948 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas if you have a universal function then you can define ack(m,n) = u(g(m,n),m,n) , where g(m,n) is a substitution function for ack < 1719929182 335406 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas do you think that doesn't work ? < 1719929203 669638 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: I don't understand what you're saying or how this is related to what you were saying earlier about those sub and mul and div and inc functions < 1719929299 843162 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you defined g and u then you can define ack < 1719929362 248302 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is g and u and how do you get them from composing those earlier functions? < 1719929567 560892 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas that is the breakthrough that I need in my understanding, it is not obvious to me that they don't exist < 1719929674 288230 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:50c1:c6ef:17ef:c2d9 JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1719930141 793677 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, then either you'll need to prove that any multi-variate function that you compose from those building blocks is bound in magnitude by a polynomial of the magnitudes of its inputs; or, if you get past that by modifying the building blocks to avoid that problem, then I'd need to figure out how the diagonal argument works to prove why this kind of < 1719930142 259691 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :thing with just total functions as building blocks, and I'm not ready for that right now < 1719931011 305898 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically, consider a reasonable numbering of all the compositions of your building blocks. consider S, a function such that S(p) is one plus the result of the composition numbered p called on the integer p. Since your building blocks are total and computable, S is also computable and total. you claim that you can get any computable total function < 1719931011 801720 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as a composition of your building blocks. so let s be the numbering of the composition that computes S. then you get S(s) = 1 + S(s) a contradiction. normally you avoid this problem because you use at least one non-total building block, and S(s) will just be an infinite loop or other error. < 1719931120 223006 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas you can't use diagonal argument, diagonal argument is blocked by div operation < 1719931149 501310 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: what do you mean by blocked? didn't you define div as a total function too? < 1719931192 205137 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas yes n/0 = gapped n < 1719931244 641700 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then what do you mean by "blocked"? < 1719931372 320306 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :because n/0 returns a gapped value you can't define a diagonal function < 1719932886 67509 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas if you send a message in the pass 25 minutes I didn't get it < 1719933596 545187 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: if it's the "one plus" in the definition of S above that is your problem, because it's not defined for the kind of value that div(1, 0) returns, then let's just say S(p) gives 500 instead if calling the composition numbered p on the integer p returns a non-integer value. < 1719933884 828263 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas not you can define S but you can NOT diagonalize it, because S(s) returns s+1 but there is no contradiction because s+1 is a gapped value < 1719933970 865211 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the definition of S is such that when you give it the input s it divide by zero and returns s+1 < 1719934135 445714 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean it could returns any gapped value < 1719934359 625399 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I must have said "gap value" instead of "gapped value" I don't know why I wrote "gapped" < 1719934454 468449 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still don't understand what you're saying about why the diagonal argument wouldn't work. < 1719935007 135503 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas you defined S as S(p) = 1+u(p,p) and you get a contradiction by calling S on s but that does not work because u(p,p) returns a gap value < 1719935111 276951 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :1+a gap value = a gap value so no contradiction < 1719935358 19440 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you defined S(p) = 1 + u(p,p) to get a contradiction but S(s) = u(s,s) because u(s,s) is a gap value < 1719935427 718797 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1719935565 28572 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not about the above, https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8088 about the 2 symbol 5 state Turing machine busy beaver < 1719936181 413692 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1719936181 461712 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen JOIN #esolangs sbak :realname < 1719936219 516394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN #esolangs lambdabot :Lambda_Robots:_100%_Loyal < 1719936226 233372 :Koen!~Koen@2a04:cec0:1165:c260:f0:f37b:1ee0:ffca JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1719936285 294158 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1719936362 98335 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@bot < 1719936362 184874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs ::) < 1719936368 637057 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> [1..] < 1719936369 988510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,... > 1719938388 83925 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131993&oldid=131884 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+50) 10/* Looks Like */ > 1719938646 465884 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131994&oldid=131993 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+122) 10/* General Ideas */ > 1719938711 936963 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131995&oldid=131994 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+0) 10/* General Ideas */ > 1719939484 504650 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Billiards14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131996&oldid=74319 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-9) 10 < 1719940401 23246 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1719941485 787122 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1719941526 571319 :Koen!~Koen@2a04:cec0:1165:c260:f0:f37b:1ee0:ffca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1719942134 702276 :Koen!~Koen@2a04:cec0:1165:c260:4dda:4e44:1691:4fd2 JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1719942514 958982 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1719942533 931516 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Raoof < 1719942628 941621 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fbd:8001:614a:ffc8:bf24:a0c1 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1719942660 607747 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1719942832 153906 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: there is a computational class called ELEMENTARY, which has inspired various esolangs that don't seem to be documented on the wiki < 1719942832 273156 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELEMENTARY#Basis_for_ELEMENTARY < 1719942832 289566 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1719942846 827918 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1719942857 500095 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: I suspect your language is ELEMENTARY: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELEMENTARY < 1719942898 97911 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, hmm, ELEMENTARY requires some sort of exponentiation to exist (even if it's just 2**x) < 1719942968 318407 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been meaning to write up (some concrete version of) ELEMENTARY on the wiki for a while, it's a fun language < 1719942975 107356 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sub-TC but can do things like primality checking < 1719943007 787016 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 does it have a universal function ? < 1719943075 781092 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not within itself – because it's computable, there are universal functions for it but you have to define them in some other language < 1719943103 449797 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, hmm, I am not 100% certain that it doesn't have a self-interpreter – more like 90% < 1719943185 354637 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ELEMENTARY cannot do a tetration, that might be enough to be able to prove it unable to self-interpret given reasonable program encodings < 1719943272 236927 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, given a reasonable program encoding, you can start with x and y and use ELEMENTARY to generate an encoding of x**(x**(x**(x**…))) with y xs – that's just producing a repeating string which is pretty easy with this level of power < 1719943302 944606 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so a self-interpreter can't exist because it wouldn't be able to evaluate that string – if it could, it would let you do a tetration in ELEMENTARY which is known to be impossible < 1719943365 574296 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, I am not sure your language is even as powerful as ELEMENTARY – it can't obviously do an exponentiation < 1719943391 526441 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: so this is a smaaler class than primitive recursive functions? < 1719943413 215243 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: yes < 1719943469 530892 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think of the power of primitive recursive as "this actually can't do all total programs – but if you think of a total program off the top of your head rather than trying to construct it as a counterexample, it can probably implement it" < 1719943495 822382 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and ELEMENTARY is like that too, people thinking of an arbitrary total function probably aren't going to think of the Ackermann function or a tetration < 1719943607 362236 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ELEMENTARY contains EXPTIME, so it can solve any problem that doesn't need more than exponential time to solve (thus it also contains PSPACE and NP) < 1719943680 586613 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1719943702 694880 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it can also solve any problem that needs double exponential time, right? because that does come up often < 1719943790 342016 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 in this language (let's call it Ar) all function from Z to Z including non-computable functions are computable in the limit, that's makes it special I think, I also not convince that it can't compute the ackermann function because Ar blocks digonalization argument I don't know how to convince myself that it does not have a universal function < 1719943790 841470 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :or ack < 1719943810 3202 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I would expect it to, but don't have a reference/proof to hand < 1719943860 243218 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: assuming a finitely long program (i.e. not in the limit), it can't compute the Ackermann function because it can be implemented using a primitive recursive interpreter < 1719943914 386048 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the "in the limit" argument is interesting, if you are taking an infinitely long sequence of finite programs and then taking the limit of the results they evaluate to, you are effectively adding loops to the language < 1719944001 888428 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I would definitely expect it to be TC then, assuming a reasonable definition of the way in which programs are allowed to grow from one sequeence element to the next < 1719944011 653962 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, it's probably unnecessarily complicated for that purpose < 1719944089 722850 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah right, multiplication + division + modulo + an infinite loop is enough to implement https://esolangs.org/wiki/Tip (and modulo is trivial to implement in terms of the operations you already have) < 1719944157 772373 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 why do you think it's complicated ? you can easily define "if then else" "not" == < > <= >= < 1719944206 190914 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: that's why the language is unnecessarily complicated – it's too easy to define things in it < 1719944213 112323 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it could probably be simpler whilst still being TC < 1719944246 976305 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1719944253 313033 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1719944253 674339 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example, you have special handling for division by zero that needs special-casing in all your primitives – but it's TC even if division by zero is considered undefined behaviour < 1719944281 679964 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a tradeoff between "language is complicated but allows simple programs" and "language is simple, so the programs have to be complicated" < 1719944332 725408 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if the programs are too simple, it leaves me concerned that the language might be too complicated < 1719944383 244690 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 I still don't understand why do you think it's complicated, my idea with Ar is that it is just arithmetic < 1719944428 593524 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1719944551 784529 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 I have special-casing in my primitive in order to block the diagonalization argument so to leave it an open question whether the language has a universal function or not < 1719944771 267236 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 you can remove all special-casing and return the empty string when division by zero occur that does not change the fact that it is in the limit super-TC < 1719945255 725171 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 in your idea of primitive recursive interpreter, is the input in unary base or is it an integer ? < 1719945286 239436 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine > 1719945326 148570 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ADxc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131997&oldid=72962 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+156) 10Introduced an examples section which embraces as its incipial member a partial geometric series generator. < 1719945336 113278 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1719945372 807116 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ADxc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131998&oldid=131997 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+185) 10Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the ADxc programming language on GitHub and supplemented the Implemented category tag. < 1719945444 816410 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: I think the normal definition of primitive recursive can only take integers as input, but it doesn't really matter – primitive recursive is enough power to change between bases, including unary < 1719945621 117350 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"multiplication + division + modulo + an infinite loop is enough to implement https://esolangs.org/wiki/Tip" => you also need some kind of conditional to dispatch on the IP, but you can make that from multiply and divide if you also have an add constant operation, right? then you can simulate Tip or Fractran. > 1719945652 152355 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ADxc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131999&oldid=131998 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+254) 10Improved the code fragments' formatting and reformatted the example steps in a tabular form. < 1719945669 464934 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: you don't need a conditional, what you do is use a modulo chain to reduce the number to 0 or 1 and then multiply by it < 1719945684 101995 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, but that needs addition < 1719945692 490463 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe I am missing an operation > 1719945733 471580 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ADxc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132000&oldid=131999 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (-13) 10Removed the duplicate Examples header erroneously introduced by myself. < 1719945759 55546 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 assuming the input and ouput are integer and you write a function assuming that the input is in unary form, does that make the interpreter more powerful ? < 1719945765 932962 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1719946742 206631 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, the idea of the limit of a sequence of finite programs is a very neat idea for an esolang actually < 1719946747 40142 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :sounds like a pain to implement though < 1719946776 255712 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1719946852 950823 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sbak: maybe look at the https://esolangs.org/wiki/(0) family of languages then < 1719946852 997621 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1719946952 93921 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: it can depend on the language, but usually no for languages that aren't very restricted in terms of space or time < 1719947299 669218 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 I have a hunch that it makes a difference because a universal function is a meta program ( it takes source code as input ) < 1719947370 643275 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1719947955 884430 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 if you have a magical universal function u(f) := f(0) and a magical substitution function g(f,n) := "substitute n in f" then you can define f(n) := u(g(f,n)) < 1719948511 488516 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: I don't think g is well defined < 1719948527 452059 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and even if it were, it wouldn't work – there might be a different 0 somewhere that gets substituted by mistake < 1719948646 436889 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 g is well defined I just don't know how to make it non-recursive < 1719948868 18935 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Did you know that the throughput of tunnels in Shapez (if "super-charged") depends on their length? https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-tunnel-throughput-x8.png < 1719948945 21978 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 did you noticed that Ar is just your language Blindfold-Arithmetic just unrolled ? < 1719949058 519260 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: that's cursed < 1719949101 652428 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shikhin: note that the nominal speed here is 16/s, and the readings are divided by 2, so it's above that. < 1719949106 398509 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, shak: < 1719949124 553558 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: what the heck? is that a true long-term throughput, or just some starting artifact possibly combined with imprecision of those meters?:w < 1719949126 970495 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no idea why irssi decided to complete to that. < 1719949136 470090 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it's long term at 8x speedup < 1719949185 492140 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well this is odd < 1719949193 782543 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought they'd all limit the throughput to 16 < 1719949206 518672 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the tunnels that is < 1719949215 239080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also this is with 60 ticks per second, which undoubtedly is also relevant. < 1719949234 12855 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can this be used to send high throughput to the core? < 1719949250 590542 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought the same; in fact I thought that the tunnels are belts under the hood, and belts are the one thing in this game that tries to be accurate when it comes to throughput. < 1719949264 280928 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's wacky that miner -> splitter gives 10/s in each output of the splitter, while simply a belt is 16/s < 1719949264 617303 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree with sbak that this is cursed < 1719949278 650619 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, the hub accepts items at any rate < 1719949301 670966 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, it's sb. < 1719949316 194357 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been thinking about making a factory game for fun, I will definitely endeavor to make it more consistent than this < 1719949357 133400 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: sure, but I'm not sure you can feed the tunnels fast enough. here you're feeding them from extractors, but that's very specialized, you won't have the right shapes extractable close to the hub. < 1719949360 140963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sbak: Right, but it's fairly well-known that balancers (what you called a splitter) are faster than there nominal speed. < 1719949402 306965 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: right but you can feed them with a balancer that takes one belt and a bit extra. < 1719949418 305019 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :sbak have you played opus magnum ? are you interested in creating something like that using something like Ar as the base mechanic ? < 1719949438 371194 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :not interested in collaborations < 1719949448 793310 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I have not done the pertinent experiment... namely what happens if you chain several short tunnels < 1719949449 410752 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yes opus magnum is good < 1719949505 110963 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :sbak no collaborations just I give you feedback you give me the game :D < 1719949516 215504 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :nope that just sounds like doing work for free < 1719949594 298569 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :sbak you can monetize it as your own game, I think Ar is a theory of everything so it would be cool if somebody make a game around it < 1719949610 258639 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a hard no < 1719949623 382378 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: but (as I would expect) that works fine: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-tunnel-throughput-chained.png < 1719949651 282030 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I took the screenshot a bit too soon so the numbers are a bit lower than they should be) < 1719949663 818750 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well this is odd < 1719949712 951964 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so how much throughput into the core can you get from this? do you get more than the 20 belts throughput that the balancer setup has (though I haven't been able to reproduce that supposed throughput myself) < 1719949756 637436 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: you get the usual up to 25% < 1719949780 395162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"usual" - the same number people get from using balancers for that purpose < 1719949823 363822 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I think. I have not actually understood how belts work internally. < 1719949826 963364 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Err, tunnels. > 1719949829 418366 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132001&oldid=131914 5* 03B jonas 5* (+15) 10 < 1719949849 471097 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thank you < 1719950073 959929 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :At the root of all this is that some parts of the game effectively have a discrete throughput (an integer number of ticks per item). At 8x speedup, that number is 6 ticks per item. It stays at that value all the way to 11.93 (IIRC) speedup. < 1719950125 121241 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Err, it's 3. < 1719950129 82770 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: sorry for being rude there. what I meant is, I'm not a game developer and I'm not super interested in Ar. I want to make a game for myself to learn some new skills, but I don't think I'd be able to make what you're envisioning in a reasonable amount of time and I am not invested. < 1719950129 771254 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which incidentally means that between 10 and ~11.93, you can only feed belts 20 items per second. < 1719950157 919878 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even though the nominal throughput ranges from 20 to ~23.86. < 1719950207 412104 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shapez.io continues to be such an odd game < 1719950231 231993 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it's written in an esolang though so I appreciate that about it < 1719950232 222608 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :@sbak that's okay, no hard feelings. < 1719950232 356736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe you meant: smack slap < 1719950261 188253 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still like the game though... but yeah it has quite a few implementation quirks. Not sure whether this is because the developer(s?) didn't try to be more precise or because they consciously traded precision for performance. < 1719950284 279269 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :Shapez 2 is shaping up to be pretty nice < 1719950291 715075 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :pun not intended actually < 1719950312 552495 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, let me try to get a handle on the real odditity I was trying to look into. https://old.reddit.com/r/shapezio/comments/1dto2zq/why_does_this_cause_gaps/ can be minimized to https://int-e.eu/~bf3/r/shapez-quarterbelt-speed.png < 1719950363 96950 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(where the top part "leaks" items at speedups between 8 and 9, and 9 and 10 (excluding the bounds)). < 1719950553 279052 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So it looks like there's some artifact in handling that one extremely short belt. < 1719950630 436189 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :corner belts and throughput issues makes me think of the corner belt throughput issue factorio used to have < 1719950642 397675 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :where the items had hitboxes and collision was wacky in corners > 1719952425 643074 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132002&oldid=131992 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+108) 10/* Python interpreters */ > 1719952564 115287 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02Opening square bracket10]] to [[User:Ractangle/Opening square bracket]] > 1719952741 4366 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shape-Machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132005&oldid=131928 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+18) 10 > 1719952834 558945 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shape-Machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132006&oldid=132005 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+45) 10/* > */ > 1719952849 830951 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shape-Machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132007&oldid=132006 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-100) 10/* > */ > 1719953009 226285 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shape-Machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132008&oldid=132007 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+31) 10 > 1719953081 839637 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shape-Machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132009&oldid=132008 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+27) 10 < 1719953155 931501 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1719954418 225462 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :realname < 1719955327 458244 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1719955831 321563 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1719956374 67706 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132010&oldid=131149 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+398) 10/* TODO: Esolang projects I'd like to finish or start (not necessarily complete, or in order) */ < 1719956432 681537 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: fwiw I think Countercall was proven sub-TC at some point, but I forget the details, and it wasn't me who proved it < 1719956568 608720 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh ok, I saw Keymaker had looked into it and developed Vein, but there seemed to be no final conclusion about Countercall. < 1719956638 793466 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like a similar thing happened with Footsteps -- I know I was looking to it, then got other ideas and parked it. < 1719956654 130672 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1719956829 713382 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I might be misremembering though < 1719956834 530183 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have what seems to be a working Conedy interpreter, it can output and accepts input (clumsily atm). I now need to figure out how to do basic things with it. < 1719956888 607883 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :A truth machine would be a good first step, and I notice Trajedy has a lot of helpful guidance. I don't know how much will apply to Conedy though. < 1719956965 144328 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :In comparison, Countercall looks more straightforward and was tempting for that reason :) < 1719957007 652820 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Countercall starts out looking easy and then gets amazingly confusing to think about < 1719957033 795128 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because when you try to store things on the call stack you end up stuck in a lot of nested loops with various iteration counts that you can't control very well < 1719957068 541908 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had a feeling there would be a trick... my first first thought was it did look very easy... but suspiciously so < 1719957423 718541 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :interesting, is it actually more powerful than a pushdown automaton? < 1719957481 483242 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :A bracket matching algorithm in Conedy would be satisfying. It wouldn't prove anything (other than confirm PDA), but it'd be a nice illustration of something practical. I can't yet think how to begin, but it should be an 'easy' example. < 1719957585 320836 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought I coudl squeeze bracket matching out of the Doors language recently, but that is only FSA-equivalent, despite having an infinte counter. < 1719957609 840459 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"language that has an infinite counter but you can't use it" is possibly an esolang genre < 1719957646 661325 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. you can count up infinitely in BuzzFizz, but can only read the value of the counters modulo constants so there are only finitely many distinguishable states < 1719957669 983443 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and this same general principle is the reason why Three Star Programmer needs three stars rather than two < 1719957761 431650 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did get quite interested in that aspect, I wasn't sure if that fits the computational class + a bit extra. I concluded that it was 'extensionally equal' to a FSA, so it's not really extra power. < 1719957786 749451 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and, yes, it seems FSA + infinte counter is common < 1719957911 534186 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually thinking about it, are there systems that are more powerful than PDAs but less powerful than Turing machines? (without using silly contrivances like "it's a PDA but it has one specific program that accepts the language of squares") < 1719958020 381082 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sbak: LBAs are semi-common < 1719958048 276362 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yes I see, I forgot about those < 1719958099 816772 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sbak: That's the current claim about Conedy on the article < 1719958180 693745 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a PDA, plus a few things that PDAs clearly can't do but aren't obviously useful for climbing up into higher computational classes < 1719958507 517691 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This discussion has me thinking there is value in clearly demonstrating basic FSA, then PDA equivalence for tarpit languages that are hard to reason about, before tackling TCness. < 1719958509 814172 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :so in Conedy, if there are two adjacent nets "pointing" toward each other, does the IP just get stuck in an infinite loop? like in the case aBcbCA < 1719958568 57594 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :even if the FSA proof is trivial, just having a concrete touch point will help ground further work < 1719958586 955955 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sbak: aBc bCa is an infinite loop, yes < 1719958616 888246 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also "Hitting the boundary of two nets simultaneously is undefined behaviour." < 1719958619 190552 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :without the space, it's UB because there's a point at which the IP is in two nets simultaneously < 1719958718 110429 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yes I see. that didn't register to me because I was envisioning "hitting the boundary of two nets simultaneously" as _entering_ two nets simultaneously < 1719958722 612993 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :not exiting one and entering the other < 1719958751 807443 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't code anything specific for that to shortcut calculations, or validate that nets are separated. If practical problems arise from running examples, I'll perhaps add something < 1719958767 974316 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is undefined behavior after all < 1719959136 837639 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do wonder how many 'implemented' esolangs on the wiki have fundamentally broken interpreters which will never be noticed. Confirming I haven't just written one is going to be quite hard :) < 1719959167 689076 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's quite easy to make such a mistake < 1719959170 320351 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :so probably a lot < 1719959228 867685 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think Underload gets a special reward for this – there is part of the spec that nobody implements, not even the original interpreter < 1719959236 512509 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1719959236 837412 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and so it's arguably whether it's actually part of the spec or not at this point < 1719959241 827740 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bye fungot < 1719959260 224789 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Rebooting the fungot box after finally going to Debian 12.) < 1719959285 488652 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: what part of the spec is that? < 1719959307 750674 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sbak: " as an escape character to escape itself and <>[], which can't be used unescaped < 1719959331 357606 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's kind-of pointless because a) none of those characters are special-cased otherwise and b) it can't escape () which are the characters you'd really care about < 1719959361 396687 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not a particularly hard thing to implement, I was expecting something more silly :p < 1719959366 5391 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also discovered that some people have written Underload interpreters to ignore (rather than crash on) unrecognised characters < 1719959385 203711 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sbak: if you want something silly, HOMESPRING defines the character strings " . " and ". ." to cause temporal paradoxes < 1719959393 116655 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :very good < 1719959407 535400 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a JOIN #esolangs fungot :fungot-0.1 < 1719959420 980935 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :welcome back fungot < 1719959421 943686 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: food is for mortals... oh wait... i think that's great, too. pity that's the following week. i'm not really sure whether i will yet. < 1719959506 478304 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, in my client, everyone who's spoken recently has a nick in the cyan-purple range, except lambdabot who is gray and still fits within the range, and fungot, whose green nick came as a bit of a surprise because it disturbed the color-coordination < 1719959506 761494 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: taking a stack-based approach. let me find the list of his children < 1719959508 890426 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot has realized its own mortality it seems < 1719959509 483323 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :sbak: " always prefer the probable impossible to the the bytecoded implementations?' < 1719959566 625240 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1719959617 6395 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://zem.fi/tmp/colors.png <- also all pretty similar, hue-wise. < 1719959629 112698 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been working on a funge-98 interpreter actually. planning to implement TRDS next, that's gonna be fun < 1719959659 873480 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how does it do on Mycology? < 1719959682 858480 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :passes everything except BADs on the >128 ASCII character because I haven't fiddled with character encodings yet < 1719959710 683619 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's supposed to be 0xDE but ends up as 0xFFDE < 1719959723 92257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1719959837 139890 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've done all the fingerprints defined in the official spec too, except for TURT and PERL which I don't know if I'm even gonna do < 1719959845 731786 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looks like there've been a handful of cfunge commits since the version 'got is running on, too. < 1719959847 118603 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :some of the fingerprints seem, dare I say, "too serious" < 1719959956 865805 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I noticed FPSP and FPDP don't have any greater-than comparison, making comparison absolutely silly for floating point numbers. wonder if that's on purpose to make them more silly < 1719960012 89512 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was possibly an oversight < 1719960027 267022 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esoteric libraries are commonly designed and implemented without actually being used much < 1719960039 501266 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is true < 1719960041 999857 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so obvious oversights can exist without people noticing for a while < 1719960086 566245 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been thinking about defining an FPCP fingerprint (floating point comparison) just to fix that lol < 1719960127 28035 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could have options for how to handle NaN and negative zero in the comparisons < 1719960147 517248 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and whether infinities are equal to themselves < 1719960164 240532 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm it would be kind of funny if it had an absurd amount of instructions just so it's inconvenient to use in conjunction with FP(S/D)P < 1719960225 914070 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually, not an absurd amount, just enough to cover the same letters as FP(S/D)P's basic arithmetic < 1719960227 830312 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"this fingerprint might be badly designed, but it's badly designed for a reason!" < 1719960244 911377 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that reason is being funny < 1719960257 824938 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot uses the STRN, FILE, FING, SOCK, REXP, TOYS and SUBR fingerprints (with the last two only used for ^reload and ^code, respectively). < 1719960258 88185 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: you may pick one of two function pointers. :) < 1719960270 477256 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Okay, I'll pick the second one. < 1719960271 6563 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: however, it tends not to be the same for scheme48 as for anything else than stand up. < 1719960361 258530 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^code < 1719960367 587597 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^help code < 1719960367 648527 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1719960378 857625 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's an admin-only command that runs the line using SUBR as Funge-98 code. < 1719960384 55054 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, I see < 1719960391 828923 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The idea being that I could use it to fix issues without having to restart. < 1719960400 706645 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think I've ever managed to fix anything without breaking it more. < 1719960501 626046 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yeah my implementation is decently fast I think but probably takes more memory than necessary and isn't really optimized for performance either < 1719960538 268185 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :but hey at least I gave some thought to the time complexity of my funge-space :p < 1719960545 341405 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not an n-D array! < 1719960691 73176 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which bot here can evaluate funge-98 code in IRC msgs? I'm sure there is one, but I can't remember the command < 1719960739 495601 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bf != BeFunge obviously, but I don't know how to abbreviate funge-98 < 1719960754 287813 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :b98 probably? < 1719960761 122658 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :HackEso/HackEgo has inherited the functionality of EgoBot, which included a bunch of interpreters, but they're quite hard to use. < 1719960800 574620 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :bytepusher.wat:3:6: error: only one memory block allowed < 1719960800 919724 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs : (memory $video 4) ;; Video data in ImageData format < 1719960818 338807 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Need to update the tools I guess? argh < 1719960825 99198 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! befunge98 "dlrow ,olleh">:#,_@ < 1719960826 222800 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello, world < 1719960840 406471 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It used some sort of pretty obscure interpreter, as I recall. < 1719960852 593795 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also the repository browser is apparently borked. < 1719960866 393566 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! help < 1719960867 438552 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The ! or interp command calls various language interpreters transfered from old EgoBot. Try `url /hackenv/ibin/ for a list. < 1719960879 785959 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The recommended `url command gives a 502. < 1719960895 345784 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ls /hackenv/ibin/ < 1719960896 397736 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1l \ 2l \ 7 \ adjust \ asm \ asmbf \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ bf_txtgen \ boolfuck \ brachylog \ c \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ dimensifuck \ forth \ glass \ glypho \ haskell \ help \ java \ k \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ lua \ malbolge \ pbrain \ perl \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ sh \ slashes \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda \ whirl < 1719960913 523505 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, those would be the things you can use with `! except I'm sure some of them won't work. < 1719960953 400522 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! cintercal DO :1 <- #123$#456 DO READ OUT :1 PLEASE GIVE UP < 1719960956 670172 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/usr/bin/ld: /hackenv/interps/c-intercal/inst/bin/../lib/libick.a(cesspool.o): relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against symbol `strcmp@@GLIBC_2.2.5' can not be used when making a PIE object; recompile with -fPIC \ /usr/bin/ld: /hackenv/interps/c-intercal/inst/bin/../lib/libick.a(ick_lose.o): relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against symbol `fflush@@GLIBC_2.2.5' can not be used when making a PIE object; recompile with -fPIC \ /usr/bin/ld: /hackenv/interps/c-intercal/inst < 1719960982 602823 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :case in point < 1719961000 898193 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :forced PIE has caused problems for me in the past in other contexts < 1719961059 317893 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not particularly annoyed with OSes forcing it on, but I am annoyed with there not being enough care to prevent bad side effects < 1719961091 975535 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in this case, the problem is just that libick.a was built non-PIC and can't be linked into a PIE < 1719961100 670184 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, I think that's what it is < 1719961182 822594 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have absolutely no recollection how the repo browser is configured, it's using hgweb and there's uWSGI involved but that's about it. < 1719961201 287448 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1719961233 773428 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looks like it's trying to load /usr/lib/uwsgi/plugins/python_plugin.so and there's only a python3_plugin.so in there, so I guess it's that. < 1719961301 412186 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey btw I've come across mentions of some elusive Funge-108 or Funge-109 < 1719961305 734338 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :it seems to not quite really exist < 1719961372 578047 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like that was an effort from the cfunge author that sort of died off. < 1719961407 165527 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was definitely work on it but I'm not sure if that work ever finished < 1719961416 692809 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Around 2008/2009, as you might guess from the name. < 1719961430 826315 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see, makes sense < 1719961736 993597 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`🌱 3 4351329 < 1719961737 985786 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ty! < 1719961818 172661 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh, there's a pretty heavy traffic to /repo paths from all kinds of crawlers, wouldn't have expected that. < 1719961822 520040 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's Seed, I added that ages ago, but the output is funge-98. There is a way to pipe it back into HackEso, but it's kinda horrible < 1719961867 269338 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anthropic's ClaudeBot/1.0 was interested in /repo/rev/02ea44c6f666?revcount=7 and Amazonbot/0.1 wanted to see /repo/file/1281dde9cef7/paste/paste.29626, for example. < 1719961873 138385 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: the linalg boxes want their training data < 1719962096 7248 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! lazyk `ik < 1719962097 37250 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/ibin/lazyk: 28: /hackenv/ibin/lazyk: /hackenv/interps/lazyk/lazy.bin: not found < 1719962114 672753 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot is possibly not good training data for anything other than Befunge programs (and I don't think generative AI would do very well with Befunge) < 1719962115 458786 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: http://schemers.org/ documents/ standards/ r5rs/ html/ r5rs-z-h-9.html%_idx_438 or something with black bg and a dark green grid < 1719962154 950891 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :github copilot tried to help me implement Funge operations when I started writing my interpreter < 1719962163 807950 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :it wasn't very good at it though < 1719962192 150033 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :it seemed vaguely aware of what Funge is though < 1719962254 456389 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/ibin works again. < 1719962264 735228 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And seems like I misremembered and `befunge98` just uses cfunge. < 1719962287 823181 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` /hackenv/interps/cfunge/cfunge -v < 1719962288 826911 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cfunge 0.9.0 [+con -trace +exact-bounds -ncurses p:64 c:32] \ \ Platform: x86_64 \ OS: Linux \ Compiler path: /usr/bin/gcc \ Compiler: GCC 4.7.2 (or compatible) \ Build type: Release \ Compiled on: Linux 3.1-5.slh.2-aptosid-amd64 (x86_64) \ \ CFLAGS=" -O3 -DNDEBUG" \ LDFLAGS=" " < 1719962302 206843 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not even an incredibly old one. < 1719962501 637676 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.204.27.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1719962637 83413 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.195.157.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull < 1719962665 514507 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, write a program in bf that outputs your name < 1719962666 206154 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: thanks all. :) ( even if you used a 4-ary operator in prefix but a binary operator in infix. all expressions appear in between parenthesis. if you want < 1719962720 94651 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :the main thing I optimized for in writing my funge implementation is making it as easy as possible for me to write new instructions for fingerprints, which was a fun little puzzle < 1719962724 188179 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :generative ai will be about as successful as that, but a bit more convincing at first glance < 1719962746 106976 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :it looks a bit like this https://i.postimg.cc/SKXrRTxs/image.png < 1719962829 910346 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: "not very good, but convincing at first glance" describes generative AI perfectly honestly < 1719963237 272681 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1719963439 801957 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :^bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>. < 1719963439 861672 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello World!. < 1719963499 735264 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Per ChatGPT, that was supposed to output "ChatGPT". It even explained how: https://chatgpt.com/share/d8df2bc6-2d6f-46c7-b54c-2699dd64fc04 < 1719963531 170762 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol, I was about to joke that's a best case scenario of how an ai would respond to that prompt! < 1719963555 816224 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought you were just testing f_ngot's bf ability! < 1719963648 937946 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also asked for a Befunge program -- updated at the same link. < 1719963675 389456 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It wrote one with a rolled-out print loop and for some reason it outputs "ChaTGPt", which is an interesting capitalization. < 1719963684 954464 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had similar interactions with chatGPT quite some time ago, if you were lucky it'd copy and paste exact working code from somewhere, unlucking it would modify it with totall incorrect symbols or layout < 1719963752 154570 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Asked it to use a loop instead, and now it prints "Hello, World!" again. Heh. < 1719963781 756198 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Except the loop's misaligned by one column so it actually just immediately exits after pushing the string to stack. < 1719963838 277121 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Besides, even a junior Befunge programmer should know the linear >:#,_ print loop is superior. < 1719963863 291690 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like using k for print loops < 1719963886 681831 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's because I've basically only used Befunge in cod golfing competitions and k is shortest < 1719963949 413706 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, I somehow suspect that there are so many BF hello worlds around that it finds it hard to write other things < 1719963960 302442 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had a funny one with quantum circuits, it was surprisingly convincing, but it was getting something wrong. I simplified it down to two non-interacting qubits < 1719963980 497259 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :turns out the ai could not imagine a 2 qubit cicuit where entanglement wasn't invloved < 1719964048 133402 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it could explain how the qubits did not interact, but them would go into detail about the resulting superposition. Apparently no one posts non-interacting qubit examples online < 1719964097 996438 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, an interesting BF-string-printing-related problem: suppose you can initialise the tape arbitrarily, then need to print a given string in the fewest characters possible, but don't know what the string is when you're initialising the tape < 1719964124 439678 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you're trying to initialise it to make arbitrary strings as tersely printable as possible < 1719964144 496687 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are almost certainly initialisations that are much better than all-zeroes < 1719964165 749022 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(this isn't a precisely defined problem, just a general area of thought) < 1719964205 628839 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :some kind of QWERTY cell layout (but for letter frequency not typewriter concerns)? < 1719964219 917123 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps < 1719964234 868781 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BF string printing generally eventually comes down to adjusting multiple counters < 1719964256 236626 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although there was one hello world program, that was the record holder for length at the time, which had a [>.] to print four characters < 1719964264 156893 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, [.>] < 1719964319 314494 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you'd want to just use ><. mainly, hmmm. I think I've done this before and sometimes for uncommon characters +- _is_ quicker than moving cells < 1719964361 889004 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have the impression that they use quite a lot of +-, <> are also used but to a lesser extent < 1719964385 276114 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe the perfect tape initialisation would lead to programs where the <> were balanced with the +- < 1719964508 976317 :Koen!~Koen@2a04:cec0:1165:c260:4dda:4e44:1691:4fd2 QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1719964525 669459 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I remember now, I was using bf to generate bf symbols, and had to optimise for this on a limited alphabet +-.,[]<> < 1719964573 198779 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :... that's the same problem, but with a reduced alphabet < 1719964583 922326 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! bf_txtgen ChatGPT < 1719964587 417563 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :85 +++++++++++++[>+++++>++++++++>+++++++++><<<<-]>++.>.-------.>-.<<++++.+++++++++.++++. [268] < 1719964592 270014 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! bf +++++++++++++[>+++++>++++++++>+++++++++><<<<-]>++.>.-------.>-.<<++++.+++++++++.++++. < 1719964593 351812 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ChatGPT < 1719964605 458017 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good old >< in there. < 1719964617 588053 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow, did you just add that, or was it always there? < 1719964620 913164 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bf_txtgen has a very rigid template that it wants to fit all its programs into < 1719964624 760231 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's been there for a very long time < 1719964638 119763 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it dates back to the HackEgo days? < 1719964643 939885 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, the other one < 1719964646 200324 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :EgoBot < 1719964658 406998 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, that's why it's under `! like that. < 1719964699 138893 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's an option to set the number of cells used in the initialization, but it has to be set /a priori/, so to say. < 1719964851 122458 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` cd /hackenv/interps/bf_txtgen; java textgen -g 1000 -t 3 -i <(echo -n ChatGPT) | tail -n 2 | head -n 1 < 1719964857 831627 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :83 +++++++++++++[>+++++>++++++++>+++++++++<<<-]>++.>.-------.>-.<<++++.+++++++++.++++. [136] < 1719964890 359289 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And it's still the same structure, just changes how many >s there are in the one single loop. < 1719965237 888369 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^bf +++++++++++[>+++>+++++>+++++++++>++++++<<<<-]>>>---.<<.-.>>++.++++.<<.+++++++++++...>------------..<.......>.>-----------.-----------------------------.-------------------...<...>.<.>>----.<<<...>...>.<..+++++++++++++++++++..--....<++.>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<++.<..>>+++.<.<+.-..>>-.....<<+.>--.<---.>>+.<++.<.>>.---.<<.>>.<<..>>+++. < 1719965237 951384 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! bf +++++++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++++>><<<<-]>--.>.-------.<+.>+.+++++. < 1719965239 537551 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot < 1719965328 5197 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, that went further than I expected, but fungot missed having the last word < 1719965328 317417 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: otherwise i'll either explain more or stop in case of error. < 1719965342 938659 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: so much effort was put into preventing bot loops in this channel < 1719965360 115248 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically because a lot of effort was put into finding them, but when someone was successful, it needed one of the bot operators or one of the ops to clean it up < 1719965370 298585 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :different bots use different anti-looping mechanisms though < 1719965377 487699 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think fungot just has a list of bots it refuses to listen to < 1719965377 807131 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: won't the pointers be updated upon copy? ( forgive my naivete) < 1719965384 184461 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ignore < 1719965387 539931 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^show ignore < 1719965392 947844 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't remember how it works though < 1719965398 448434 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^help ignore < 1719965398 536280 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1719965419 658179 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe even showing the list is admin-only < 1719965446 106982 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, it is. < 1719965448 789692 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ignore < 1719965448 848640 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :^(HackEso|lambdabot|metasepia|idris-bot|blsqbot|j-bot|esolangs|velik|perlbot|m0ther)! < 1719965481 420919 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a regexp (hence the REXP fingerprint) applied to the nick!user@host prefix of the message. < 1719965503 415801 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, I see, the ! at the end is part of the nick < 1719965513 606798 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I initially interpreted it as an Underload comment < 1719965520 918282 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(not the nick itself, but what IRC sends when a nick is involved) < 1719965658 270108 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think HackEso's botloop avoidance, on the other hand, is just a zero-width space added at the beginning of the message when it's non-alphanumeric, or something along those lines. < 1719965740 394747 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^bf ++++++++++++++[>+++++++++++++++++>+++++++>++>++++<<<<-]>>--.<++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.-------------------.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++.>-----.<.+++++++++++++++++.+++.>+++++..-.<.>++ < 1719965740 676523 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :`🌱 3 148874 < 1719965742 166295 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​.#^ < 1719965788 6095 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops, didn't copy the final . :( < 1719965797 640623 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`🌱 3 1488749 < 1719965798 893764 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fun < 1719965800 127145 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: right, and that's why HackEgo can see fungot's comments – fungot's prevention is on receiving and HackEgo's on sending, so there's no prevention on messages going the other way < 1719965800 695965 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: and you need a site map... just for quick program development, where you can find a couple of years < 1719965853 81837 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If/when I add the LLM to the esolangs bot, that's going to be a novel new botloop vector. The way it's written currently, it only reacts to messages with an "esolangs[:;,]" prefix, and adds a "nick: " prefix in its reply, which could easily get it stuck in a conversation loop with fungot for example. < 1719965853 382905 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: these records are called /continuations/. a continuation is < 1719965909 41453 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But fungot has that "only up to 3 replies in a row to the same person" rule, and it seems to take at least a minute for the LLM to generate a response (the way I'm using it), so at least it'll be a very slow loop. < 1719965909 483945 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: if i quoted something to you, either one of the paragraphs < 1719965956 719853 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a very slow and non-infinite loop, so probably not a problem < 1719966189 95744 :Everything!~Everythin@109.162.122.37 JOIN #esolangs * :Everything < 1719966377 607458 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :\ < 1719966383 176825 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, typo < 1719966416 613322 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one of my biggest annoyances with IRC is that backspace and return are right next to each other on typical keyboards, so silly things can happen when trying to correct a typo < 1719966937 15782 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yay I figured out the quarter turn belt thing. It's too short :-) https://old.reddit.com/r/shapezio/comments/1dto2zq/why_does_this_cause_gaps/ has a relatively lengthy reply with some details. < 1719967129 359297 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :<3 quirks. < 1719967208 644026 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(b_jonas might care) < 1719967335 740724 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1719968968 72906 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.195.157.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1719969255 808045 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :" [...] nick in the cyan-purple range" => I changed my other nick from wob_jonas to wib_jonas specifically to make it green instead of being in that range < 1719969271 215068 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on https://logs.esolangs.org/ that is < 1719969464 634169 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :" [...] Underload interpreters to ignore unrecognised characters" => is that https://esolangs.org/wiki/Tarski ? it says "All other characters are Nops." < 1719969590 436278 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:50c1:c6ef:17ef:c2d9 QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1719969812 300263 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.205.65.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull < 1719970293 175849 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Remember those Google Search Console stats I shared of the wiki the other day? Turns out they were probably mostly nonsensical, because I'd originally (back in 2016) added it as an "URL prefix" of `http://esolangs.org/`, which excludes HTTPS pages, as opposed to a "Domain" (which includes both HTTP and HTTPS, and all subdomains). And most wiki traffic is HTTPS. < 1719970340 416485 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've now verified it as a domain, though it says it'll take a day to start showing any numbers. < 1719970850 333097 :Everything!~Everythin@109.162.122.37 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1719970908 930343 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"so much effort was put into preventing bot loops in this channel" => so much that I even chased away a promising newbie when they put a bot online but I found that it allows me to send any IRC command so I did so. < 1719970949 769278 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: http only? that's good to know < 1719970968 249257 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll be interested in the better stats then < 1719971188 787415 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Only realized that because I noticed for the site registered as an URL prefix, 95% of pages were listed as "not indexed", most of them with the reason "Alternative page with proper canonical tag", which AFAICT is because MediaWiki generates a on the page, so Google considers the HTTPS version the "default" one and marks the others as < 1719971190 789747 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :duplicates. < 1719971247 986158 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Not sure why that doesn't apply to _all_ the pages, but who knows.) > 1719971306 618476 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132011&oldid=131898 5* 03B jonas 5* (-166) 10 < 1719971373 854181 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: maybe because the logs pages don't have such a link tag > 1719971459 411897 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132012&oldid=132011 5* 03Ais523 5* (+255) 10restore sandbox header < 1719972921 545758 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fbd:8001:614a:ffc8:bf24:a0c1 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1719974415 611515 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see the Seed page has a TC demonstration program beginning with 112 1500594... < 1719974452 520129 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it outputs a funge-98 program which uses = for a system-execute, which calls to perl < 1719974496 216791 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! befunge98 "'e}5$||2$:/))5$4$()5$3$((/qq?3${})\))2?(())\))2?(()\))2?((S(\(\|)\))\*)2?((\|](^[(K(\|I((\{s elihw1'ep- lrep"=@ < 1719974498 232844 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1719974586 541255 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I know that had no input, but I can only get (IK) -> K to work. I can't tell is there a bug in the perl, befunge-98 implementation details around =, or OS dependent issues < 1719974663 686386 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this is either a befunge98 or perl question, but I'm trying to figure out the syntax to demonstrate that K and S work in that code < 1719974810 83001 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` rev <<<"'e}5$||2$:/))5$4$()5$3$((/qq?3${})\))2?(())\))2?(()\))2?((S(\(\|)\))\*)2?((\|](^[(K(\|I((\{s elihw1'ep- lrep" < 1719974811 132110 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :bash: command substitution: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `\)' \ bash: command substitution: line 0: `(/qq?3${})\)' \ perl -pe'1while s{\((I|\(K([^(]|\((?2)*\))\)|\(\(S((?2))\)((?2))\))((?255))/:$2||$5}e' < 1719974837 74779 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :backslashes < 1719974852 513927 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` rev <<<\''e}5$||2$:/))5$4$()5$3$((/qq?3${})\))2?(())\))2?(()\))2?((S(\(\|)\))\*)2?((\|](^[(K(\|I((\{s elihw1'\''ep- lrep' < 1719974853 721239 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :perl -pe'1while s{\((I|\(K([^(]|\((?2)*\))\)|\(\(S((?2))\)((?2))\))((?2))\)}{$3?qq/(($3$5)($4$5))/:$2||$5}e' < 1719975209 103246 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -pe'1while s{\((I|\(K([^(]|\((?2)*\))\)|\(\(S((?2))\)((?2))\))((?2))\)}{$3?qq/(($3$5)($4$5))/:$2||$5}e' <<< "(IK)" < 1719975210 582638 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :K < 1719975267 763380 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks, the backslash escaping is one level, I _think_ that's done correctly, but was worried it might be very environment dependent < 1719975483 980810 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe the perl is wrong, this makes no sense to me: < 1719975486 54577 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -pe'1while s{\((I|\(K([^(]|\((?2)*\))\)|\(\(S((?2))\)((?2))\))((?2))\)}{$3?qq/(($3$5)($4$5))/:$2||$5}e' <<< "(K(I)(I)) < 1719975487 260916 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 6: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1719975510 208659 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -pe'1while s{\((I|\(K([^(]|\((?2)*\))\)|\(\(S((?2))\)((?2))\))((?2))\)}{$3?qq/(($3$5)($4$5))/:$2||$5}e' <<< "(K(I)(I))" < 1719975511 465548 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​(K) < 1719975597 55843 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, at least I know I in perl territory now, unless there's another escaping issue in addition to backslashes < 1719975740 410405 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the Perl would be a lot easier to use if it used some other character for bracketing purposes rather than () < 1719975748 829602 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<> don't need escaping in regexes, for example < 1719975980 765051 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -pe'1while s{<(I|)>|\<((?2))>)((?2))>}{$3?qq/<<$3$5><$4$5>>/:$2||$5}e # the same program with <> not ()' <<< ">" < 1719975982 263686 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​ < 1719976020 480462 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -pe'1while s{<(I|)>|\<((?2))>)((?2))>}{$3?qq/<<$3$5><$4$5>>/:$2||$5}e # the same program with <> not ()' <<< "<I>" < 1719976022 342516 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I < 1719976030 718289 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :program is right but input is wrong :-) < 1719976047 912439 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: ^ < 1719976063 678764 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -pe'1while s{<(I|)>|\<((?2))>)((?2))>}{$3?qq/<<$3$5><$4$5>>/:$2||$5}e # the same program with <> not ()' <<< ">" < 1719976065 769489 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​ < 1719976859 425888 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Excess Flood < 1719976878 220060 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1719976998 972306 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: thank you! that makes the code much clearer, and now I can see it working with (). < 1719977067 855731 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's quite hard to group combinators properly when you *have* to. The unlambda ``kii style is much easier to work with < 1719977188 433998 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -pe'1while s{\((I|\(K([^(]|\((?2)*\))\)|\(\(S((?2))\)((?2))\))((?2))\)}{$3?qq/(($3$5)($4$5))/:$2||$5}e' <<< "(((((SK)K)K)(IK))S)" < 1719977189 837797 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :K < 1719977210 457267 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :demonstrates I K and S all behaving correctly < 1719977216 902748 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice < 1719977218 757432 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -pE'say while s{\((I|\(K([^(]|\((?2)*\))\)|\(\(S((?2))\)((?2))\))((?2))\)}{$3?qq/(($3$5)($4$5))/:$2||$5}e' <<< "(((((SK)K)K)(IK))S)" < 1719977220 81321 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​((((KK)(KK))(IK))S) \ \ ((K(IK))S) \ \ (IK) \ \ K \ \ K < 1719977232 937159 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1719977235 367180 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -lpE'say while s{\((I|\(K([^(]|\((?2)*\))\)|\(\(S((?2))\)((?2))\))((?2))\)}{$3?qq/(($3$5)($4$5))/:$2||$5}e' <<< "(((((SK)K)K)(IK))S)" < 1719977236 624625 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​((((KK)(KK))(IK))S) \ ((K(IK))S) \ (IK) \ K \ K < 1719977375 559564 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's neat, it's showing the intermediate steps as the expression is reduced. That's not as magic as I first thought it was, but it seemed impressive! < 1719977885 337697 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it reduces correctly on the tio.run Seed interpreter, which is what I was wanting to see. The URL is to long to post. It's super impressive that the seed was found and it works. < 1719978062 289873 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :... biggest problem is between keyboard and chair in formatting the input correctly. The documentation is lacking tho, I might document the example on the article, or a a link to tio > 1719980521 324577 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:BytePusher14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132013&oldid=131962 5* 03Sgeo 5* (+156) 10/* Langton Ant missing */ new section < 1719980854 435010 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38, is your Munching Squares BytePusher program supposed to have audio? Because if it isn't, I have a bug < 1719981584 929446 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Raoof > 1719981820 972845 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07One Time Cat14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132014&oldid=131746 5* 03None1 5* (+24) 10/* Python 3 */ fix > 1719981879 646005 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BytePusher14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132015&oldid=129746 5* 03Sgeo 5* (+171) 10New implementation > 1719981913 108219 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:One Time Cat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132016&oldid=131933 5* 03None1 5* (+156) 10/* How does the program actually work? */ > 1719982120 514579 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132017&oldid=131959 5* 03None1 5* (+2) 10 < 1719982199 814317 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 have you studied cellular automatas or Tilings ? did you know any CA or Tiles set that I can map Ar into it ? < 1719982384 282260 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/Sgeo/BytePusherWASM/blob/main/bytepusher.wat really thinking I should have used folded instructions. This... is going to confuse me in the future < 1719982423 397772 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: cellular automata are bad at arithmetic < 1719982466 232400 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: I do not remember for sure, but I think it does have audio. < 1719982472 408123 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could probably compile from a Turing machine into a very complex automaton, but there's no real reason to do so < 1719982575 181702 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, if I write WebAssembly by hand, but use a tool to make said WebAssembly more readable than the janky way I wrote it... well, I don't really have a question beyond losing bragging rights >.> < 1719982682 39790 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, I think the only reason it has audio is because I did not deliberately get rid of it; I did not deliberately add audio. < 1719983017 998268 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 I have an idea about turning the four operations in Ar into a single universal operation like a non-periodic monotile, do you know any language like this ? < 1719983186 34177 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: some combinator-based languages can do it, e.g. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Iota > 1719983543 10717 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07One Time Cat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132018&oldid=132014 5* 03None1 5* (+41) 10/* Examples */ < 1719983609 519791 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 thanks for the link, I've seen iota before but I haven't figure out how to make the connection between lambda expressions and arithmetic expressions < 1719983681 351465 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well it's quite indirect – lambda calculus can simulate arithmetic on nonnegative integers using Church numerals, but normally there are better ways to write things < 1719983708 894160 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and you can use arithmetic on nonnegative integers as primitives to do arithmetic on other sorts of computable number) < 1719984101 785651 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 church numerals for example 1 = \f.\x.f x looks like a universal function in disguise but I don't know how to get rid of non-terminating lambda expression < 1719984366 168092 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, with many evaluation strategies, it's the identity function < 1719984394 403314 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the identity function isn't normally considered a universal function, because you need another universal function to encode the input > 1719984429 877692 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07One Time Cat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132019&oldid=132018 5* 03None1 5* (+241) 10/* Examples */ > 1719984561 12175 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ORK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132020&oldid=124375 5* 03None1 5* (+250) 10/* Examples */ < 1719984614 299949 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1719985368 937435 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 it looks as if that there is single universal operation and all function application are secretly using it, for example you can think of Y = \f. (\x. f (x x)) (\x. f (x x)) as Y(f) = u(\x.u(f,u(x,x)),\x.u(f,u(x,x))) but it seems like you can't get ride of non-terminating expression > 1719985852 945128 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Tables14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132021 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+246) 10Created page with "{| class="wikitable" |- ! Useless number !! Message |- | 0 || {| class="wikitable" |- ! actual message !! sign |- | what a wild page about tables. || ~~~~ |} |}" > 1719987053 468313 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07+Output14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132022&oldid=129291 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+85) 10/* Examples */ fixed repeating output < 1719988630 753167 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1719990542 653801 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1719991504 479650 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1719991652 953545 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shape-Machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132023&oldid=132009 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-5) 10 > 1719991682 135170 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shape-Machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132024&oldid=132023 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+25) 10 < 1719993353 209262 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1719993373 959565 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1719996675 616718 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: as for those conditionals from integer arithmetic operations, (3*x)/(3*x-1) results in 1 if x is positive or 0 otherwise, and (3*x*x)/(3*x*x-1) results in 1 if x is nonzero or 0 otherwise. if you can add any nonzero integer constant m as an operation besides multiplication and divison, you can use that to add 1 by writing (x*m+m)/m instead of x+1, and similarly to subtract 1 you write < 1719996681 624157 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(x*(-m)+m)/m, basically multiplication and division by anything is powerful. only then you need a somewhat unusual way to do a conditional if you can only add constants: if you have a condition c that's either 0 or 1, such as from those comparisons before, then you need to write (c*(x-1)+1)*((1-c)*(y-1)+1) to get x when c is 1 or y when c is 0. this gets ugly quickly. < 1719996793 872046 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so +-*/ by constants is enough < 1719996818 498748 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, no < 1719996831 791708 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :need to be able to copy values and combine, e.g. the / above isn't by a constant < 1719996846 432414 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should go to bed, too tired to reason about this < 1719996853 748504 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1719998186 644487 :Koen!~Koen@2a04:cec0:1165:c260:9c4:25c9:48d8:6834 JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1719998877 335351 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.232.69 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1719998900 267891 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132025 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+77) 10Created page with "i want to make a esolang where code looks somewhat like this: 1|2x" > 1719999039 477265 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132026&oldid=132025 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+80) 10 > 1719999378 655947 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132027&oldid=131584 5* 03None1 5* (+78) 10/* */ > 1719999533 347777 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132028&oldid=130374 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+77) 10 > 1719999545 941513 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132029&oldid=132028 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10 > 1719999599 489078 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132030&oldid=132029 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-77) 10 < 1719999747 942243 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.232.69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1719999802 891422 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132031&oldid=132026 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+4) 10 > 1719999926 753677 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132032&oldid=132031 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+27) 10 < 1720000502 523045 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.161.232 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1720001541 945460 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.161.232 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1720001771 477709 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1720001844 610628 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, I'm doing multiplication and integer division with non-constants as both arguments. also I forgot to mention it, but the above formulas work no matter whether those divisions round the quotient towards zero (truncating division) or round towards negative infinity (floor division) < 1720001934 703423 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you have a language like this, it may be worth to specify division as allowing either implementation-defined, since which one is more convenient can depend on how you're implementing it. those formulas don't work in *all* flavors of integer division out there, but these are two common ones. > 1720002057 76969 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132033&oldid=132032 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+273) 10 < 1720003020 690627 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com JOIN #esolangs cpressey :weechat < 1720003445 930929 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Raoof > 1720003575 245875 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132034&oldid=132033 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+72) 10 > 1720003631 665341 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132035&oldid=132030 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+56) 10 > 1720003727 512130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132036&oldid=132034 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+57) 10 > 1720003743 725299 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132037&oldid=132036 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+6) 10 > 1720003842 359518 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ThreadFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132038&oldid=122135 5* 03None1 5* (-1) 10/* Lock 2 */ > 1720003867 483459 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132039&oldid=132037 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-3) 10 > 1720003911 210839 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132040&oldid=132039 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-2) 10 > 1720003926 422434 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132041&oldid=132040 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+2) 10 < 1720004082 564940 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :Computer programming is where algebraic properties go to die. > 1720004500 464976 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132042&oldid=132041 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1083) 10 < 1720004577 335555 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :on the esowiki, where do you post reports when an administrator has to deal with something, such as a copyright violation where an admin is needed to hide revisions? I'm looking for something like an administrators' noticeboard page. I understand that in practice I can ask here on IRC, or ping a specific admin on the wiki, but there should be a < 1720004577 835425 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :mechanism that doesn't rely on the IRC channel working nor singles out a specific admin. < 1720004627 667365 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(nor commits a bigger obvious violation to summon the admins, such as replacing the main page with your request, obviously) < 1720005060 969824 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1720005202 465407 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1720005274 760461 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also I wonder if the esowiki frontpage should have a more prominent thank you notice about the hosting sponsor Bytemark. There's an "About Esolang" link in the bottom and if you follow that you get the info, but something more obvious on just the frontpage might be appropriate. > 1720005283 539009 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132043&oldid=132042 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+85) 10/* idea 2 */ > 1720005293 136935 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132044&oldid=132043 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-1) 10 > 1720005363 217450 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132045&oldid=132044 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-13) 10 > 1720005375 90440 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132046&oldid=132045 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-3) 10 > 1720005667 139264 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132047&oldid=131669 5* 03B jonas 5* (+85) 10 > 1720005771 524714 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132048&oldid=132047 5* 03B jonas 5* (+16) 10 < 1720006060 81545 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :Humanity has devised a multitude of ingenious ways of confirming that a computer program meets its specification. None of these ways accounts for the fundamental truth that people don't know what they want. < 1720006067 82990 :Koen_!~Koen@2a04:cec0:1179:2e65:38e7:3fe6:2962:fbda JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1720006109 676642 :Koen!~Koen@2a04:cec0:1165:c260:9c4:25c9:48d8:6834 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1720006445 650273 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1720006733 806735 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132049&oldid=132012 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (+43) 10 < 1720007084 722385 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: There's a ":BYTEMARK" logo at the bottom-right of every page, next to the CC0 thing and the "Powered by MediaWiki" one. < 1720007117 56910 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although the URL appears to now go to a 404 page; I guess they've changed their website (maybe as part of the iomart semi-re-branding). < 1720007159 904027 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The person who originally negotiated the sponsorship thing is no longer with the company, so I'm a little worried eventually they'll realize they don't want to pay for our nonsense. < 1720007177 78382 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Not that it's a large drain on their resources.) < 1720007855 932740 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1720008125 970287 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1720008283 749979 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1720008302 464773 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1720008557 86319 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:813c:bae3:a5d7:4664 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1720009024 947392 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :On the earlier topic, it's not being used that way, but [[Esolang_talk:Administrators]] could be a plausible place to ask (publicly visible, but that's the general standard on the wiki) questions from "administrators" in general. Whether anyone would notice an edit there is a different question. < 1720009376 658737 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.200.3 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1720009769 567701 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132050&oldid=132046 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+218) 10 < 1720010134 281455 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com JOIN #esolangs cpressey :weechat < 1720010620 587001 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I mean requests that you can make publicly visible < 1720011369 943683 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.200.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1720011814 159834 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132051&oldid=132049 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+307) 10 > 1720011904 268797 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132052&oldid=132050 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+14) 10 > 1720013934 574965 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132053&oldid=131989 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+150) 10 > 1720014014 276363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132054&oldid=132048 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (-10) 10baleeted > 1720014048 459276 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132055&oldid=132051 5* 03None1 5* (+27) 10/* Tests */ > 1720014181 121747 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132056&oldid=132055 5* 03None1 5* (+85) 10/* what */ < 1720014190 750570 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1720014203 468214 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1720014285 206255 :earend1!uid657395@user/utoneq NICK :earendl < 1720014884 451825 :earendl!uid657395@user/utoneq NICK :m0ther < 1720014894 520340 :m0ther!uid657395@user/utoneq NICK :earend1 < 1720014922 52344 :earend1!uid657395@user/utoneq NICK :utoneq < 1720014932 69017 :utoneq!uid657395@user/utoneq NICK :zut < 1720014944 595862 :zut!uid657395@user/utoneq NICK :earend1 > 1720015419 58448 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132057&oldid=132053 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+36) 10 > 1720016040 874034 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CW@ 3 cell brainfuck substitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132058&oldid=131782 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-368) 10/* programs */ > 1720016106 584837 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132059&oldid=131440 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+13) 10 > 1720016183 429739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132060&oldid=132059 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10/* examples */ > 1720016206 81035 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132061&oldid=132060 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10 > 1720016252 723328 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132062&oldid=132061 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-16) 10/* examples */ > 1720016414 224418 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132063&oldid=132062 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+16) 10 < 1720016419 478138 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1720017023 83461 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GreenBerry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132064&oldid=118712 5* 031hals 5* (+0) 10fixed external links > 1720019018 322380 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132065&oldid=132056 5* 03Int-e 5* (+1) 10cute but let's not do that to the one part of the page that's actually informative < 1720019071 172772 :dawids!~dawids@109.78.245.239 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1720019071 297686 :dawids!~dawids@109.78.245.239 QUIT :Client Quit < 1720019249 877782 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm has the wiki always asked for confirmation when logging out? < 1720019848 389086 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know if I've ever managed to log out, it always seems to forget I'm logged in very quickly. < 1720019895 226489 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also it didn't prompt when I logged out as a test just now. :shrug: < 1720019961 445279 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh interesting < 1720020119 139197 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not a preference; it's different with Javascript enabled. > 1720021753 950473 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132066 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1907) 10Created page with "'''''' pronounced '''up to down'''(can be shortened to UTD as ill be writing it on this page) is a esolang invented by [[User:Yayimhere]](and kinda [[User:gttfr]]) thats a abstract machine where you create states of 3 different simulated computers who can send their states t > 1720021820 653950 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132067&oldid=132066 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+130) 10 > 1720021911 997422 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132068&oldid=132067 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+50) 10 > 1720022194 94333 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132069&oldid=132068 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+171) 10 < 1720022830 800885 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh. Needed to make some test requests with Unix timestamps, so did date +%s at two separate points, and both times got something made out of just the characters [0127]; 1720022177 and 1720022722. What are the odds? (You don't need to calculate the odds.) < 1720022995 499161 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: then you need more testing. datetime libraries can be capricious when used carelessly, there are bugs that you can't reproduce if you only test them in afternoons because they only come up with timestamps in the morning, and lots of such crazy cases. < 1720023025 772088 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I wish I was kidding.) < 1720023159 339510 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: well it depends on when you run those tests :P < 1720023195 906728 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1720023593 965042 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also dyk that (date -d -d) prints the date for yesterday? The second -d is parsed as an abbreviation for now -1day. I ran into this because I have multiple versions of the aliases called datei and dateu which print the date in a specific format, and they were inconsistent in how they handle an argument: some implicitly interpret an argument as a < 1720023594 464644 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :date so they prepend a -d argument, eg. I was expecting to write (datei 2024-07-10) which calls (date +someformat -d 2024-07-10) so I can tell what the week number and day of week for that date is, or similarly (datei @1720022177) to find what that atomic epoch seconds number means, while other variants just passed any arguments through to date < 1720023594 974251 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the program from coreutils) unchanged. < 1720023659 503527 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :HackEso apparently has a variant that does prepend -d implicitly, and worse, ignores a second argument < 1720023675 981598 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`datei -d < 1720023677 362197 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-07-03 04:00:00.000 +0000 UTC July 3 Wednesday 2024-W27-3 < 1720023683 584217 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did not know that. < 1720023689 801953 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apparently the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:DarkVector skin (that I think we added per request for a dark mode) is no longer maintained. < 1720023692 156434 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it actually means today -1day apparently, not now -1day < 1720023721 915499 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should fix that to at least give an error for ``` datei -d @1720022177 < 1720023729 140322 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` datei -d @1720022177 < 1720023730 503111 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-07-03 04:00:00.000 +0000 UTC July 3 Wednesday 2024-W27-3 < 1720023787 327159 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess at this point I may have to invent a pair of new names instead of datei and dateu to eliminate the confusion < 1720024157 894418 :shikhin!~shikhin@offtopia/offtopian QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1720024179 106238 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space JOIN #esolangs * :shikhin < 1720024233 4904 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: it's a known bug that https://hack.esolangs.org/edit/ doesn't work, isn't it? I mean doesn't work more than usual, it doesn't even load the page just gives a HTTP error. < 1720024269 18831 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not a big problem, I can edit files through IRC or through fetch, just want to make sure you know about this < 1720024297 78208 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space CHGHOST ~shikhin :offtopia/offtopian < 1720024614 748351 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It was a known bug, though I thought I "fixed" it (as far as 502 bad gateway is concerned) at the same time as fixing /repo. But I didn't test the fix since it's such a clunky thing anyway. < 1720025010 690344 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :They've bundled five new extensions as part of MediaWiki 1.40: DiscussionTools ("a forum-like editing experience for wikitext-based discussion pages"), Echo ("a system of user notifications"), Linter ("warns about use of deprecated wikitext"), LoginNotify ("warns users about failed attempted logins") and Thanks ("lets users thank editors for edits"). < 1720025015 337545 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I usually don't enable bundled extensions by default, but if people feel some of those could be useful, let me know, since it's moderately easier to enable them now that they're bundled with the release. < 1720025596 348481 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` f=/hackenv/bin/datei; >$f echo $'#!/bin/sh\nset -e\nif [[ 1 < $# ]]; then echo "datei error: too many command-line arguments. Usage: datei datetimestring"; exit 2; fi\nexec date ${1:+-d "$1"} "+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%3N %z %Z %B %-e %A %G-W%V-%u"'; chmod a+x "$f" < 1720025598 942376 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1720025600 40398 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`datei < 1720025600 915107 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/datei: 3: /hackenv/bin/datei: cannot open 0: No such file \ /hackenv/bin/datei: 3: /hackenv/bin/datei: [[: not found \ 2024-07-03 16:53:20.511 +0000 UTC July 3 Wednesday 2024-W27-3 < 1720025620 574210 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh go to heck sh compatibility mode < 1720025653 875489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` sh --version < 1720025654 998903 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :sh: 0: Illegal option -- < 1720025720 193494 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` f=/hackenv/bin/datei; >$f echo $'#!/bin/sh\nset -e\nif let "1<$#"; then echo "datei error: too many command-line arguments. Usage: datei datetimestring"; exit 2; fi\nexec date ${1:+-d "$1"} "+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%3N %z %Z %B %-e %A %G-W%V-%u"'; chmod a+x "$f" < 1720025723 662195 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1720025729 282514 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`datei < 1720025730 475637 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/datei: 3: /hackenv/bin/datei: let: not found \ 2024-07-03 16:55:29.997 +0000 UTC July 3 Wednesday 2024-W27-3 < 1720025734 40899 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ls -la `which sh` < 1720025735 306037 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 4 Jan 17 2019 /bin/sh -> dash < 1720025755 532346 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`datei @1720022177 < 1720025756 436106 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/datei: 3: /hackenv/bin/datei: let: not found \ 2024-07-03 15:56:17.000 +0000 UTC July 3 Wednesday 2024-W27-3 < 1720025769 232952 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`datei @1720016321 < 1720025770 161089 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/datei: 3: /hackenv/bin/datei: let: not found \ 2024-07-03 14:18:41.000 +0000 UTC July 3 Wednesday 2024-W27-3 < 1720025778 306783 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what the heck do you mean let not found? < 1720025790 567232 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a fricking shell builtin < 1720025814 948598 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not in dash < 1720025838 503386 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :why don't you change the shebang line > 1720025840 894954 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The chan-esoteric stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132070&oldid=108764 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+48) 10 < 1720025853 620744 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` bash --version < 1720025854 617641 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :GNU bash, version 5.0.3(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) \ Copyright (C) 2019 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later \ \ This is free software; you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. > 1720025885 939823 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The chan-esoteric stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132071&oldid=132070 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+32) 10 < 1720025898 4598 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :` hg revert -r 11945 /hackenv/bin/datei < 1720025899 14538 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​? Permission denied < 1720025904 211719 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` hg revert -r 11945 /hackenv/bin/datei < 1720025906 42174 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :abort: could not lock working directory of /hackenv: Read-only file system < 1720025912 360007 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`hg < 1720025913 660236 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mercurial Distributed SCM \ \ basic commands: \ \ add add the specified files on the next commit \ annotate show changeset information by line for each file \ clone make a copy of an existing repository \ commit commit the specified files or all outstanding changes \ diff diff repository (or selected files) \ export dump the header and diffs for one or more changesets \ forget forget the specifi < 1720025926 340564 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. < 1720025933 580201 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it has to be a bot command; it won't work from within the VM) < 1720025943 2109 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` set -e; f=/hackenv/bin/datei; hg cat -r 11945 >"$f"; chmod a+x "$f" < 1720025946 666793 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :hg cat: invalid arguments < 1720025952 115797 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` set -e; f=/hackenv/bin/datei; hg cat -r 11945 "$f" >"$f"; chmod a+x "$f" < 1720025956 540357 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1720025957 615782 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`datei < 1720025958 622251 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-07-03 16:59:18.253 +0000 UTC July 3 Wednesday 2024-W27-3 < 1720025977 496907 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`datei @1720016321 < 1720025978 370559 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-07-03 14:18:41.000 +0000 UTC July 3 Wednesday 2024-W27-3 < 1720025991 587786 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess that works if you have read-only access < 1720025997 500987 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(to the repo) < 1720026008 696888 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but revert should change only the working copy, not the repo < 1720026024 826294 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1720026043 934044 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though maybe we don't have write access to the working copy metadata either? < 1720026048 845795 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` mount < 1720026050 201349 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :none on /bin type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/bin/) \ none on /dev type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/dev/) \ none on /lib type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/lib/) \ sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,relatime) \ tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,relatime) \ none on /usr type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/usr/) \ proc on /proc type proc (rw,relatime) \ none on /sbin type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/sbin/) \ none on /lib64 type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/lib64/) \ none on < 1720026069 594381 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` mount | tail -n3 < 1720026070 889943 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :none on /hackenv type hostfs (rw,nosuid,relatime,/srv/hackeso-data/env/) \ none on /hackenv/.hg type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/srv/hackeso-data/env/.hg/) \ none on /etc/alternatives type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/etc/alternatives/) < 1720026087 34144 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, that says /hackenv/.hg is read-only < 1720026153 124516 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, I'll have to think about which behavior I want, the one that prepends -d or the one that doesn't, and whether I need a new name to solve this and deprecate the name -d < 1720026166 514242 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"could not lock" - ah that's the issue, the lock file goes inside the repo dir < 1720026434 717498 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` f=/hackenv/bin/datei; >$f echo $'#!/bin/bash\nset -e\nif (( 1 < $# )); then echo "datei error: too many command-line arguments. Usage: datei datetimestring"; exit 2; fi\nexec date ${1:+-d "$1"} "+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%3N %z %Z %B %-e %A %G-W%V-%u"'; chmod a+x "$f" < 1720026439 153502 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1720026447 842530 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :keeping it compatible for now by keeping the implicit -d < 1720026452 379855 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`datei < 1720026454 398557 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-07-03 17:07:33.563 +0000 UTC July 3 Wednesday 2024-W27-3 < 1720026473 98215 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`datei @1720016321 < 1720026475 21271 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-07-03 14:18:41.000 +0000 UTC July 3 Wednesday 2024-W27-3 < 1720026497 348819 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`datei 2024-07-03T19:07:35+0200 CEDT < 1720026499 518572 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :date: invalid date ‘2024-07-03T19:07:35+0200 CEDT’ < 1720026505 102166 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`datei 2024-07-03 19:07:35+0200 CEDT < 1720026507 163113 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :date: invalid date ‘2024-07-03 19:07:35+0200 CEDT’ < 1720026512 32833 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`datei 2024-07-03 19:07:35+0200 < 1720026513 928161 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-07-03 17:07:35.000 +0000 UTC July 3 Wednesday 2024-W27-3 < 1720026524 469310 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`datei 2024-07-03 19:07:35 < 1720026526 453929 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-07-03 19:07:35.000 +0000 UTC July 3 Wednesday 2024-W27-3 < 1720026538 875959 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` datei foo bar < 1720026541 402028 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :datei error: too many command-line arguments. Usage: datei datetimestring < 1720026544 642495 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` datei -d < 1720026547 670006 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-07-03 04:00:00.000 +0000 UTC July 3 Wednesday 2024-W27-3 < 1720026557 288001 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` datei -d 2024-07-10 < 1720026559 844647 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :datei error: too many command-line arguments. Usage: datei datetimestring < 1720026567 781005 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` datei +2day < 1720026570 332234 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-07-05 17:09:29.440 +0000 UTC July 5 Friday 2024-W27-5 < 1720026699 566664 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.163.86 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1720026860 79491 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1720026917 627010 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` f=/hackenv/bin/dateu; >$f echo $'#!/bin/bash\nset -e\nif (( 1 < $# )); then echo "dateu error: too many command-line arguments. Usage: dateu datetimestring"; exit 2; fi\nexec date -u ${1:+-d "$1"} "+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%3N %z %Z %B %-e %A %G-W%V-%u"'; chmod a+x "$f" < 1720026925 61608 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1720026926 906561 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`dateu < 1720026930 764701 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-07-03 17:15:29.536 +0000 UTC July 3 Wednesday 2024-W27-3 < 1720027060 89052 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1720027072 514702 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1720027108 844689 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` export TZ=Pacific/Auckland; datei # the traditional location for HackEso is New Zealand < 1720027111 612533 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-07-04 05:18:30.517 +1200 NZST July 4 Thursday 2024-W27-4 < 1720027113 730597 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` export TZ=Pacific/Auckland; dateu < 1720027116 315634 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-07-03 17:18:35.270 +0000 UTC July 3 Wednesday 2024-W27-3 < 1720027255 939701 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.163.86 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1720027494 786023 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1720027548 198761 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Uh-oh, the MediaWiki database update script crashed ("Wikimedia\Rdbms\InsertQueryBuilder::execute can't have empty $rows value"). < 1720027552 29895 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Probably not a good sign. < 1720027625 133875 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1720027837 180666 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I got it patched, looks like that used to be a warning and now is an error, and it gets called from updateRestrictions.php with an empty list if there's no protected pages in a 1000-page batch. Or something. At any rate, it's going forward now. < 1720027847 113225 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is why I should have that staging environment. < 1720027863 665985 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe I can set one up locally or something. < 1720027952 942104 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fbd:8001:614a:ffc8:bf24:a0c1 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1720028198 948683 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1720029040 746826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Fizzie14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132072&oldid=104486 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+0) 10Post-upgrade edit test for 1.42.1. Sorry for the longer downtime this time. < 1720029193 180717 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1720029364 816760 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132073&oldid=132065 5* 03PaxtonPenguin 5* (+32) 10 < 1720029859 234593 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1720030102 128534 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. Styling of the "View history" pages appears kinda borked when logged out. < 1720030298 825428 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Main page looks about the same -- https://zem.fi/tmp/page1.png -- for both, but revision history -- https://zem.fi/tmp/page2.png -- doesn't. Logged out, title is missing and some margins look off; logged-in, the "Filter revisions" box is missing the UI affordances to open it. < 1720030318 806751 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it could be some kind of a stylesheet caching issue though. < 1720030649 897144 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1720030674 103125 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And tabs don't work under "Preferences". :/ < 1720030690 135860 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1720030721 114125 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1720030851 745671 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looks like it's trying to load https://esolangs.org/w/load.php?lang=en&modules=startup&only=scripts&raw=1&safemode=1&skin=vector but that returns a 500 with the text `Fatal exception of type "Error"`. < 1720030866 554235 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1720031001 800782 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Class ResourceLoaderSkinModule" not found". Hmm. < 1720031185 542980 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :working now? :) < 1720031249 603076 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(at least the page history looks fine now for me while not logged in) < 1720031283 733530 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I think some piece of JavaScript is not loading < 1720031316 75320 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. on https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges the options at the top of the page don't load < 1720031326 925813 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it may be that JavaScript files generally aren't loading, with only inline JavaScript working < 1720031327 550691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tested without JS. < 1720031339 767937 :dawids_!~dawids@109.78.245.239 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1720031349 579997 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And I saw a CSS issue which seems to be fixed now. < 1720031358 776214 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yes, "https://esolangs.org/w/load.php?lang=en&modules=startup&only=scripts&raw=1&skin=vector" < 1720031372 935242 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1720031375 430844 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Whether through fizzie's efforts or because a cache expired, I don't know. < 1720031376 928287 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. But it's odd. That "ResourceLoaderSkinModule" class was a backwards compatibility alias that was dropped in 1.42, but it's only referred to from the DarkVector skin. Maybe just having the skin available causes that to throw an exception. < 1720031387 284703 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not quite the same URL as yours but close enough < 1720031393 141128 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll just try dropping it for now. Sorry for any dark mode users. < 1720031428 941816 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That seems to have fixed at least my JS URL. < 1720031490 333573 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And reloading made the `v` appear in revision history, and the Recent changes filters seem working again. < 1720031611 157488 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1720031685 717780 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1720032117 158179 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"the MediaWiki database update script crashed" => oh no < 1720032150 861143 :dawids_!~dawids@109.78.245.239 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1720032176 155331 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132074&oldid=131312 5* 03Ais523 5* (-141) 10the Sandbox probably shouldn't be linked on the Main Page it's a place for test edits, which isn't something that most editors will care about, and the link may have been contributing to the Sandbox getting out of hand < 1720032207 813619 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, so what I should do is to keep datei and dateu accept a freeform date (as if passed to the -d option of coreutils date) as a plain argument, but only if it doesn't start with a hyphen, and make datei and dateu do proper getopt-style argument parsing, so anything that starts with a hyphen is a switch (most of them just reserved for the future) < 1720032290 251303 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the full product would of course be if I also wrote a new free-form date parsing library whose set of accepted date formats is incompatible with every existing library, because you just can't have enough of these, and make datei and dateu parse dates with those, but for now I should just concentrate on the short-term solution where they're still based on gnu's date parsing < 1720032376 286588 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fbd:8001:614a:ffc8:bf24:a0c1 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1720032388 362820 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132075&oldid=132074 5* 03Ais523 5* (-84) 10get rid of the other link to the Sandbox, too it is not intended for having fun, but for test edits < 1720032388 951323 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fbd:8001:614a:ffc8:bf24:a0c1 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1720032867 672214 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1720032944 654840 :Koen_!~Koen@2a04:cec0:1179:2e65:38e7:3fe6:2962:fbda QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1720034193 429775 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fbd:8001:614a:ffc8:bf24:a0c1 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1720034271 916116 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07None,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132076&oldid=131983 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* Commands */ > 1720034354 615602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132077&oldid=132073 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+24) 10 < 1720034491 951453 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fbd:8001:614a:ffc8:bf24:a0c1 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1720034741 16622 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:813c:bae3:a5d7:4664 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1720034758 61098 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:813c:bae3:a5d7:4664 JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1720035029 626246 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1720035463 685666 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown > 1720035466 958471 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132078&oldid=132077 5* 03Ais523 5* (-707) 10clean sandbox / remove personal attacks this isn't a good place for arguments to happen < 1720035467 366048 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fbd:8001:614a:ffc8:bf24:a0c1 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1720035612 931848 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Raoof > 1720036094 336688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:EvyLah14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132079&oldid=131180 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+131) 10theme update? < 1720036289 715090 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1720036381 82538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1720036411 83328 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com JOIN #esolangs * :weechat > 1720036541 930134 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Geometry Dash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132080&oldid=130220 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+147) 10.gmd2 files > 1720036760 518516 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Geometry Dash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132081&oldid=127073 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+76) 10/* Example programs */ added my own program > 1720036960 855793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Main Page14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132082&oldid=132075 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-23) 10Padding > 1720036970 859945 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132083&oldid=132078 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+61) 10 < 1720037204 120312 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown > 1720037695 769275 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Geometry Dash14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132084&oldid=132081 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+31) 10Category < 1720037836 466049 :Koen!~Koen@2a04:cec0:1179:2e65:e160:ddc0:42ac:ee7c JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1720037916 98092 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Agony14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132085&oldid=66823 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+64) 10Categories > 1720038167 330788 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Window14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132086&oldid=125861 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+46) 10Categories < 1720039095 743542 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Speculative execution for smoother audio in BytePusher VMs? < 1720039264 728633 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:813c:bae3:a5d7:4664 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1720039330 107167 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:c2d9:320e:4b56:47a3 JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1720039475 950937 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1720039767 732151 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ErrorFull14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132087&oldid=129720 5* 03Quito0567 5* (+64) 10 > 1720039800 634314 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ErrorFull14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132088&oldid=132087 5* 03Quito0567 5* (-2) 10 > 1720039883 247790 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ErrorFull14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132089&oldid=132088 5* 03Quito0567 5* (+8) 10 < 1720040131 85777 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1720040482 320369 :Joao[3]!~Joao003@190.108.99.178 JOIN #esolangs Joao003 :realname > 1720040616 149976 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Quito056714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132090&oldid=119860 5* 03Quito0567 5* (+1295) 10 > 1720040790 584582 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoError14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132091&oldid=127890 5* 03Brain Boy 53 5* (-7) 10 > 1720040801 669931 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:EvyLah14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132092&oldid=132079 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+690) 10/* Stuff noticed */ Stuff. > 1720040976 303848 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132093&oldid=132083 5* 03Ais523 5* (-61) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/132083|132083]] by [[Special:Contributions/Tommyaweosme|Tommyaweosme]] ([[User talk:Tommyaweosme|talk]]) the instructions aren't very useful if nobody can read them > 1720041424 437361 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoError14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132094&oldid=132091 5* 03Brain Boy 53 5* (+245) 10 > 1720041824 698484 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoError14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132095&oldid=132094 5* 03Brain Boy 53 5* (+254) 10 > 1720042033 324763 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoError14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132096&oldid=132095 5* 03Brain Boy 53 5* (+29) 10 > 1720042218 829970 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132097&oldid=131986 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+80) 10 > 1720042297 856849 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoError14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132098&oldid=132096 5* 03Brain Boy 53 5* (+78) 10 > 1720042489 149870 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoError14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132099&oldid=132098 5* 03Brain Boy 53 5* (+74) 10 < 1720042562 285636 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1720043078 565395 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1720043937 109835 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoError14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132100&oldid=132099 5* 03Brain Boy 53 5* (+246) 10 > 1720044215 425405 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoError14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132101&oldid=132100 5* 03Brain Boy 53 5* (+17) 10 < 1720044630 12960 :Joao[3]!~Joao003@190.108.99.178 QUIT :Quit: Bye! > 1720044723 950904 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoError14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132102&oldid=132101 5* 03Brain Boy 53 5* (+338) 10 < 1720044761 130953 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com JOIN #esolangs cpressey :weechat > 1720045681 480307 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoError14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132103&oldid=132102 5* 03Brain Boy 53 5* (+587) 10 > 1720045886 496785 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoError14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132104&oldid=132103 5* 03Brain Boy 53 5* (+29) 10 < 1720046090 173267 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :On the rationale that whoever asked me to install the 'DarkVector' to get a dark mode must've appreciated its author's opinions, and said author having switched to the 'Citizen' skin, added that to the wiki, since it seemed like a decently popular and well-supported way to get a skin that can follow the system light/dark settings. < 1720046188 145535 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1720046235 274085 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :realname > 1720046540 429819 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Layout box14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132105&oldid=32061 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+30) 10Since the box hardcodes the title cell background, also do so for the foreground, to avoid breaking entirely in a dark theme. < 1720046781 205238 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 4.3.0 < 1720046987 927360 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: re. MediaWiki extensions, I have on a handful of occasions in the past wanted to thank ppl for wiki edits, but never enough to actively ask for the feature. I'd weakly vote for Thanks, but am ambivalent about the others. They could add more noise, I don't know. < 1720047109 774422 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Math notation extension is super-useful, and I'm glad that one is present. < 1720047111 700010 :Koen!~Koen@2a04:cec0:1179:2e65:e160:ddc0:42ac:ee7c QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1720047413 461540 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :AbuseFilter seems slightly broken at the moment (you can't add new filters), but it was also broken before the upgrade < 1720048202 466313 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It took us ages to get the Math extension in, because it always seemed like a huge hassle to get installed locally, and it was very badly documented whether you could "legally" just point it at Wikipedia's API (which is what we ended up doing). > 1720048219 22088 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoError14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132106&oldid=132104 5* 03Brain Boy 53 5* (+44) 10 < 1720048270 60449 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :How does AbuseFilter currently break if you try to add new filters? > 1720048297 575043 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoError14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132107&oldid=132106 5* 03Brain Boy 53 5* (+158) 10 > 1720048382 315956 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoError14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132108&oldid=132107 5* 03Brain Boy 53 5* (+34) 10 > 1720048398 873831 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NoError14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132109&oldid=132108 5* 03Brain Boy 53 5* (+0) 10 < 1720048466 656372 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's one of those bundled extensions, so at least there should be no version incompatibility issues. < 1720049979 779725 :Melvar!~melvar@dslc-082-082-054-206.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1720050185 139795 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: there's a database error < 1720050300 35308 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, it's working now < 1720050307 489929 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe the fix for the JS error fixed this too < 1720050435 604574 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it didn't work when I tested it immediately post-upgrade, but I just added a new rule and it worked < 1720050458 135133 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Except for keyboard input, I could pretend a BytePusher program is basically a video and render ahead of time < 1720050803 695765 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-060.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs Melvar :melvar > 1720052548 997711 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Poololoop14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132110&oldid=126017 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+33) 10Category < 1720052781 804105 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space QUIT :Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1720052815 742790 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space JOIN #esolangs SoniEx2 :Genders: Autgender, 💜🖤💚; Soni L. < 1720055126 51453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is ~1ms per BytePusher frame a lot or a little? > 1720056817 990324 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Exotic14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132111 5* 03Joe 5* (+26) 10Created page with "Discussion page for Exotic" > 1720056894 876363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Exotic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132112&oldid=132111 5* 03Joe 5* (+240) 10/* Proof of the turing completeness for Exotic? */ new section < 1720057306 727956 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:c2d9:320e:4b56:47a3 QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement > 1720059613 316754 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MEMORYLEEK14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132113 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+14482) 10woohoo! new esolang! > 1720059773 22072 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132114&oldid=129171 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+3) 10update esolangs list > 1720059794 810085 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132115&oldid=132114 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-18) 10/* my esolangs */ why am I using an em space < 1720062723 813944 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does anyone with a Chrome browser and non-QWERTY keyboard layout want to test https://sgeo.github.io/BytePusherWASM/ to see if my keyboard map illustration works? > 1720063253 529211 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132116&oldid=132054 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+17) 10added language > 1720063281 380658 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132117&oldid=132116 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+0) 10/* M */ TWO E'S < 1720065015 303774 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1720065121 374013 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BytePusher14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132118&oldid=132015 5* 03Sgeo 5* (-38) 10Keyboard support implemented < 1720065249 88828 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1720065550 835040 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo_: normal aim with sound/graphics code is 60 frames per second, = approx 16 ms per frame < 1720065564 755059 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you are faster than that you are doing well < 1720065612 729237 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, except I'm starting each frame in a requestAnimationFrame. Maybe I need to... not do that < 1720065683 170557 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bear in mind that most programs will need to be slowed down to 60fps, or animation will run too fast < 1720065727 255822 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait for repaint + 2ms to calculate may be too slow on a 60Hz monitor, right? > 1720065846 191093 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chicken14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132119&oldid=131491 5* 03None1 5* (+519) 10Add Computational class section < 1720065853 675045 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, what you do is you do the calculation before waiting for the repaint < 1720065866 369211 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so as long as the calculation is done before the next repaint it doesn't slow you down < 1720065968 585240 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think requestAnimationFrame does that already < 1720065987 905500 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i.e. the wait time is shortened to account for time spent calculating < 1720066143 838661 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep < 1720066544 407251 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :...how does that work? The browser can't know how much time before the repaint I'll need? > 1720066882 327545 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MiniChicken14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132120 5* 03None1 5* (+33) 10Redirected page to [[Chicken#MiniChicken]] > 1720067353 607953 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chicken14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132121&oldid=132119 5* 03None1 5* (+519) 10Infobox < 1720067439 894192 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had idea of binary format of ICFP 2014. Each instruction needs four bytes. The opcode is four bits, so there can be up to sixteen opcodes, although two of them are unused. However, since the addressing modes are not used for HLT and INT, those could also be made into the same opcode, and using the addressing mode bits to distinguish them. (Also, "MOV PC" is its own opcode.) > 1720067530 262848 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chicken14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132122&oldid=132121 5* 03None1 5* (+3) 10 > 1720067556 466477 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chicken14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132123&oldid=132122 5* 03None1 5* (+0) 10 > 1720067613 377984 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chicken14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132124&oldid=132123 5* 03None1 5* (-30) 10 > 1720067848 732045 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chicken14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132125&oldid=132124 5* 03None1 5* (+27) 10 > 1720067938 245204 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132126&oldid=132117 5* 03None1 5* (+18) 10/* M */ < 1720067951 951213 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe nested setTimeouts. One setTimeout for 10ms, then one for 6.6666... < 1720067955 654246 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1720068006 242239 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should really schedule the audio in advance > 1720068154 860247 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chicken14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132127&oldid=132125 5* 03None1 5* (+22) 10/* Instructions */ > 1720068203 247792 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MEMORYLEEK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132128&oldid=132113 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+28) 10Category > 1720068249 913365 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chicken14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132129&oldid=132127 5* 03None1 5* (+45) 10/* External resources */ < 1720068310 939801 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1720068334 862565 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse > 1720068412 49990 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BFasm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132130&oldid=127083 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+71) 10Categories > 1720068487 269679 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Asm2bf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132131&oldid=112426 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+32) 10Distinguish confusion > 1720068583 829333 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Compilers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132132&oldid=112435 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5) 10Link, . > 1720068626 472723 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132133&oldid=131342 5* 03None1 5* (+216) 10/* Categories for type systems */ new section > 1720068778 858934 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AEAV14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132134&oldid=120908 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+28) 10Categories > 1720069057 752201 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Parity14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132135&oldid=103911 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+113) 10Categories < 1720071408 532088 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : ...how does that work? The browser can't know how much time before the repaint I'll need? ← it can just run your code immediately after rendering the previous frame, so the new frame will be ready by the time the next frame needs to be rendered < 1720071676 938175 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1720072690 710064 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1720072860 159667 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MEMORYLEEK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132136&oldid=132128 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-36) 10/* Brainfuck Interpreter */ < 1720074473 722594 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1720075271 383866 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1720075604 560211 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Gggfr14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132137 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+40) 10Created page with "This is a alt acc for [[User:yayimhere]]" > 1720075967 999000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stack of hash14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132138 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+521) 10Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=Stack of #@*&*364*/&;@;%cnbbjsjwyrb;ht&@*^(#6&/&)]6;#8&)&KYt*5[$]_>~<\|]$]_}} title=Stack of #@*&*364*/&;@;%cnbbjsjwyrb;ht&@*^(#6&/&)]6;#8&)&KYt*5[$]_>~<\|]$]_ Is a stack where anybody can add any program, set, string, or number they want onto it! > 1720076007 150993 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stack of hash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132139&oldid=132138 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+76) 10 > 1720076077 514319 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stack of hash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132140&oldid=132139 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-6) 10 > 1720076362 605242 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stack of hash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132141&oldid=132140 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+51) 10 > 1720077912 902451 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132142&oldid=132052 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+15) 10/* idea 2 */ < 1720078365 946061 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Raoof > 1720080963 102959 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132143&oldid=132142 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+1003) 10/* idea 3 */ > 1720081382 677181 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132144&oldid=132143 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+36) 10 > 1720081400 406841 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132145&oldid=132144 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-4) 10 < 1720081439 146028 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1720081579 264176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132146&oldid=132069 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+0) 10 < 1720081637 399410 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1720081649 268693 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132147&oldid=132146 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-55) 10 < 1720081693 210795 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Search Console now has one day of data. The `http://esolangs.org/` property was getting a median of 0 clicks/day, maybe once a week there was a day with 1 click, and in the last 3 months there was one day with 2 clicks. The `esolangs.org` domain property had 378 clicks on Saturday, 29 Jun. < 1720081707 869729 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, it's still not a lot in absolute terms, but it's more. < 1720081781 947618 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also the top queries are kind of... more predictable. For example "esolang" is the one that most commonly leads to the wiki. < 1720081899 973051 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Before (with full 3 months of data): https://zem.fi/tmp/wikiq.png / After (with just one day): https://zem.fi/tmp/wikiq2.png > 1720082804 120045 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132148&oldid=132147 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+13) 10 > 1720082820 280102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ABPLWNL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132149&oldid=103324 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+179) 10 > 1720082871 562186 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132150&oldid=131987 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+104) 10/* Implementations */ > 1720083239 328520 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ABPLWNL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132151&oldid=107929 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+19) 10 > 1720083324 178516 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ABPLWNL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132152&oldid=132151 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-28) 10/* Commands */ > 1720083456 717805 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ABPLWNL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132153&oldid=132152 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-3) 10/* Hello World program */ > 1720083968 78444 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ABPLWNL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132154&oldid=132153 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* Hello World program */ > 1720084172 369414 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ABPLWNL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132155&oldid=132154 5* 03None1 5* (+8) 10 > 1720084570 899234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132156 5* 03None1 5* (+161) 10Created page with "Nothing in Wikipedia is public domain, so you can't copy the color table to this wiki. --~~~~" < 1720084721 93251 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1720084960 430279 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1720085089 266935 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1720085278 566290 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainf ck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132157&oldid=122383 5* 03None1 5* (+16) 10 > 1720085305 366869 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainf ck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132158&oldid=132157 5* 03None1 5* (+0) 10 < 1720085888 793106 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1720086079 236282 :Koen!~Koen@2a04:cec0:1179:2e65:9552:3420:3020:8516 JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1720086366 405438 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1720086557 469826 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1720086581 566878 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: the odd part then is why some search queries led to plain http instead of https. < 1720086689 469601 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well, we'll have to return and look at these results like two months from now > 1720086803 365458 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132159&oldid=132063 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+12) 10 > 1720086815 787653 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Welcome to Esolang, the esoteric programming languages wiki!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132160&oldid=131966 5* 03None1 5* (-19) 10/* Quine */ That's not a quine < 1720086833 118184 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1720086869 694274 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132161&oldid=132159 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-53) 10 < 1720087644 68543 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1720087661 136046 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1720088197 516791 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, not sure what's up with that. If I search for "uniquode" myself, the wiki result (at #7) is https://esolangs.org/wiki/Uniquode < 1720088263 58647 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And if I use Search Console to inspect http://esolangs.org/wiki/Uniquode it says "Page is not indexed: Alternative page with proper canonical tag", with a "User-declared canonical" of the https:// equivalent, and a "Google-selected canonical" of "Same as user-declared canonical", which is what I'd expect. < 1720088295 901158 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe it just shows up on the http:// "property" if it exists, even as a duplicate. < 1720088386 95431 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It also says the pages that referred to it were http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2011-10-16.txt and http://tunes.org/~nef//logs/esoteric/11.10.16 -- both of which no longer work. But there's indeed a http:// link at https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2011-10-16.html#lYu so fair enough. < 1720088583 970312 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1720089865 447896 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1720090520 300846 :Koen!~Koen@2a04:cec0:1179:2e65:9552:3420:3020:8516 QUIT :Quit: Leaving... > 1720091895 165398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07B (None1)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132162 5* 03None1 5* (+1874) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}} {{Distinguish/Confusion|B}} {{lang|n=b|a=User:None1}} It is a [[bf]] derivative. bf has 8 commands, but b has only 4. ==Commands== b has these 4 commands {{cd|+}} {{cd|.}} {{cd|>}} and {{cd|[}} they work like in brainfuck. ==Examples== ===[[Hello, World > 1720091920 244559 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07B (None1)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132163&oldid=132162 5* 03None1 5* (+2) 10/* Hello, World */ > 1720091930 951883 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07B (None1)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132164&oldid=132163 5* 03None1 5* (-1) 10 > 1720091949 460655 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07B (None1)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132165&oldid=132164 5* 03None1 5* (+1) 10 > 1720091974 192648 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07B (None1)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132166&oldid=132165 5* 03None1 5* (+17) 10/* Python */ > 1720092105 107643 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07F (None1)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132167 5* 03None1 5* (+648) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}} {{Distinguish/Confusion|F}} {{lang|n=f|a=User:None1}} It is a [[bf]] derivative. bf has 8 commands, but f has only 4. ==Commands== b has these 4 commands {{cd|-}} {{cd|,}} {{cd|<}} and {{cd|]}}. They work like in brainfuck. ==Examples== ===Input a byte=== > 1720092152 285710 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07F (None1)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132168&oldid=132167 5* 03None1 5* (+69) 10 > 1720092194 862888 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07B (None1)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132169&oldid=132166 5* 03None1 5* (+69) 10/* Interpreters */ < 1720092316 634572 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.232.104 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1720092331 871270 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132170&oldid=131392 5* 03None1 5* (+74) 10/* Brainfuck derivatives */ > 1720092356 895802 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07B (None1)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132171&oldid=132169 5* 03None1 5* (+35) 10/* See also */ > 1720092395 154852 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07F (None1)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132172&oldid=132168 5* 03None1 5* (+35) 10/* See also */ > 1720092444 44524 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132173&oldid=131396 5* 03None1 5* (+59) 10/* My Esolangs */ < 1720093007 603102 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:769:2a94:7ed0:a166 JOIN #esolangs amby :realname > 1720093189 124846 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132174&oldid=132145 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+198) 10 > 1720093513 446120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132175&oldid=132174 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+3) 10 < 1720094880 870513 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1720095203 480848 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas > 1720095492 956415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132176&oldid=132161 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+81) 10 < 1720096363 951579 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.232.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1720096601 647855 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:769:2a94:7ed0:a166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1720097549 93379 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1720097567 97089 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1720097748 288797 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1720098346 109239 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rainbow14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132177 5* 03None1 5* (+2914) 10Created page with "{{DISPLAYTITLE:rainbow}} '''ra > 1720098381 10233 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132178&oldid=132126 5* 03None1 5* (+210) 10/* R */ > 1720098417 652043 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132179&oldid=132173 5* 03None1 5* (+259) 10/* My Esolangs */ > 1720098513 683230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rainbow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132180&oldid=132177 5* 03None1 5* (+27) 10 < 1720098768 554598 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.249.115 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1720099327 938962 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.249.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1720099355 105624 :amby!~ambylastn@ip-185-104-136-55.ptr.icomera.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1720099564 526865 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.249.115 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1720100503 71578 :amby!~ambylastn@ip-185-104-136-55.ptr.icomera.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1720101331 62615 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03None1 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:2repeat nice.jpg10]]": Blue not purple < 1720101878 958721 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.249.115 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1720101982 405536 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03None1 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Nice cat program.png10]]": Cat program (not sure if this is correct) < 1720102489 86991 :visilii_!~visilii@213.24.125.202 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1720102860 925246 :visilii!~visilii@213.24.125.33 JOIN #esolangs * :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1720103021 998986 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1720104148 57734 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron > 1720106975 239060 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-1 bytes :/14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132183&oldid=127079 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-355) 10/* Interpreter */ > 1720107605 694785 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CGOLOE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132184 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+3218) 10Created page with "'''CGOLOE''' is a esolang made by [[User:yayimhere]]. its name os short for Conways Game Of Life Oriented Esolang. its a esolang made to compute conways game of life and is therefore also turing complete(since it can compute conways game of life and conways game of lif > 1720108483 309069 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(())14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132185&oldid=96926 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+2) 10 > 1720108748 918763 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132186&oldid=100962 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+137) 10 > 1720108763 786188 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132187&oldid=132186 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+6) 10 > 1720109193 968485 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132188&oldid=132187 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+9) 10 > 1720109402 16406 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chafa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132189&oldid=94815 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+5) 10 < 1720109441 950844 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fbd:8001:614a:ffc8:bf24:a0c1 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic > 1720110765 921412 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132190&oldid=131995 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+48) 10/* Looks Like */ > 1720111041 827995 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132191&oldid=132178 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+16) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ > 1720111083 721793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132192&oldid=132191 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+11) 10/* G */ > 1720111118 965622 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132193&oldid=132192 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+18) 10/* C */ > 1720111206 38233 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132194&oldid=132193 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+26) 10/* R */ > 1720111239 138774 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Exotic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132195&oldid=132112 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+529) 10 > 1720111267 516439 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132196&oldid=132194 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+18) 10/* S */ > 1720111370 571681 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132197&oldid=132196 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+20) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ > 1720111400 586318 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132198&oldid=132197 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+15) 10/* O */ > 1720111573 690965 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132199&oldid=132198 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+11) 10/* N */ < 1720111633 997533 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - 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02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132212&oldid=132209 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+96) 10/* Commands */ < 1720118878 732297 :X-Scale74!~X-Scale@31.22.144.244 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1720118983 944598 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.203.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1720119007 356143 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Squareroot12621 5* 10New user account > 1720119012 605440 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comun14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132213&oldid=121566 5* 03Tastyfish 5* (+45) 10Mention date of self-hosting < 1720119105 164991 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1720119272 718101 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132214&oldid=132201 5* 03Squareroot12621 5* (+241) 10 > 1720119469 611145 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132215&oldid=132212 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+214) 10 > 1720119506 956602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132216&oldid=132215 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-75) 10yeah nvm > 1720119580 739717 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Squareroot1262114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132217 5* 03Squareroot12621 5* (+144) 10Created user page. > 1720120084 30843 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Messenger14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132218 5* 03Squareroot12621 5* (+840) 10Created page. > 1720120116 580519 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132219&oldid=132216 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+47) 10/* Errors */ > 1720120217 286398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Messenger/Python interpreter14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132220 5* 03Squareroot12621 5* (+23033) 10Created interpreter. > 1720120233 681018 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132221&oldid=132219 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-37) 10/* 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So maybe I'll just let it go, it looks a lot nicer. < 1720131824 499973 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, let it Go. < 1720131840 556529 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Entirely unintentional there. < 1720131848 189905 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I assumed that. < 1720131867 419385 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I blame Google for picking such a common word as the name of their language. < 1720131884 146715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's worse than Swift. < 1720131928 423621 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Golang" has sort of settled in as a de-facto name when referring to the programming language, which annoys some of the people on the Go channel very much. < 1720132020 751968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm I should check how good Rust is at turning its functional style loops into imperative loops. I seem to recall making code faster by using for loops instead. < 1720132476 266781 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Hmm, what was the old and new API? Seems surprising that it's that different! < 1720132773 364877 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The old API was just what I had come up with, which used custom iterator types, and you wrote a `for it := g.Succ(u); it.Valid(); it = g.Next(it) { v := it.Head(); ... }` style loops. The new one uses https://tip.golang.org/wiki/RangefuncExperiment which allows it to be `for v := range g.Succ(u) { ... }`. < 1720132787 275944 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :realname < 1720132803 896813 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, it's not _that_ bad to begin with. < 1720132894 752054 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, right, the syntax takes a function that it calls on every element. < 1720133052 313233 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, the old API for my graph thing also had `g.ForSucc(u, func (v int) bool { ...; return true })` which is even closer to the new range-over-func thing, except without the special syntax it made it quite awkward if you wanted to return early from the containing function. < 1720136312 600660 :X-Scale83!~X-Scale@31.22.144.244 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1720136429 962389 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.144.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 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Therefore, four opcodes are unused (so may be assigned for a nonstandard extension such as bit shifting and bit rotation, I suppose) > 1720156847 247687 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132272&oldid=131500 5* 03None1 5* (+98) 10/* Commands */ > 1720157023 801575 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132273&oldid=132240 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-18) 10/* Commands */ > 1720157058 756106 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132274&oldid=132273 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+17) 10/* Commands */ > 1720157082 503907 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132275&oldid=132274 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+9) 10/* Commands */ > 1720157147 212147 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132276&oldid=132156 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+62) 10 > 1720157218 189765 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132277&oldid=132276 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+1) 10 > 1720157257 659 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132278&oldid=132277 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+17) 10 > 1720157346 283200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132279&oldid=132278 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-19) 10 < 1720157417 299252 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1720158193 145214 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03None1 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Ibar2.png10]]": Remake if command > 1720158265 491290 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03None1 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Inicememe.jpg10]]": Oops! > 1720158433 262417 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132282&oldid=131850 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+492) 10/* */ new section > 1720158451 95679 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03None1 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Ibar2.png10]]": fix > 1720158725 890759 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cantor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132284&oldid=132242 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+35) 10/* Example Programs */ > 1720158734 461565 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cantor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132285&oldid=132284 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, world! */ < 1720158739 586284 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1720158759 477387 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cantor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132286&oldid=132285 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+4) 10/* Hello, world! */ > 1720159225 780055 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rainbow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132287&oldid=132180 5* 03None1 5* (+192) 10 > 1720159371 682773 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rainbow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132288&oldid=132287 5* 03None1 5* (+164) 10 > 1720159903 847764 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chicken14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132289&oldid=132129 5* 03None1 5* (+72) 10/* External resources */ chickenpy doesn't work for some examples, so add another interpreter (not by me) > 1720160169 760779 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BFInfinity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132290&oldid=132271 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+211) 10/* Commands */ > 1720162223 940916 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A+B Problem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132291&oldid=132235 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-15) 10/* 4ME */ < 1720162399 753091 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132337&oldid=132336 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+80) 10 > 1720187295 53318 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132338&oldid=132337 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+53) 10 > 1720188346 546092 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132339&oldid=131593 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+306) 10 > 1720188545 256708 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132340&oldid=132338 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+266) 10 > 1720188622 210524 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132341&oldid=132340 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-2) 10 > 1720188759 554717 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132342&oldid=132341 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-312) 10 > 1720188881 621983 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132343&oldid=132342 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+114) 10 > 1720188936 378602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132344&oldid=132343 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+39) 10 > 1720188988 243896 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132345&oldid=132344 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+68) 10 > 1720189099 214065 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132346&oldid=132345 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+143) 10 < 1720189108 103173 :fowl!~fowl@user/fowl PRIVMSG #esolangs :how can I profit off of the LLM crazy and integrate AI into an esolang < 1720189113 389351 :fowl!~fowl@user/fowl PRIVMSG #esolangs :LLM craze* > 1720189166 156419 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132347&oldid=132339 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+362) 10/* There are two "Elang" now. */ new section > 1720190013 22233 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Messenger14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132348&oldid=132332 5* 03Squareroot12621 5* (+433) 10Moved All functions to inside Functions, added more stuff. < 1720190855 467323 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1720190910 64895 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fowl: study LLMs, put it on your CV, get a job wrangling them, that's how you profit. esolangs are irrelevant, you can't plan to profit from them by definition. < 1720191445 84408 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1720191774 543918 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Messenger/Python interpreter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132349&oldid=132239 5* 03Squareroot12621 5* (+85) 10Fixed INT throwing an error when printed as a byte. < 1720191813 699953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1720192246 271714 :Joao[3]!~Joao003@190.108.99.178 JOIN #esolangs Joao003 :realname < 1720192361 429595 :fowl!~fowl@user/fowl PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know I'll never make money off of esolangs, maybe profit was the wrong word < 1720192432 838021 :Joao[3]!~Joao003@190.108.99.178 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1720192492 140179 :Joao[3]!~Joao003@190.108.99.178 JOIN #esolangs Joao003 :realname < 1720192569 25496 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can try to teach an LLM how to write Malbolge programs and /maybe/ get one academic paper out of it ;-) < 1720192884 901633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1720192922 927784 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132350&oldid=132346 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+94) 10 < 1720192957 60851 :Joao[3]!~Joao003@190.108.99.178 QUIT :Quit: Bye! > 1720193053 81711 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132351&oldid=132232 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-4) 10/* Other things */ > 1720193221 17539 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Gilbert189/Languages in concept14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132352&oldid=131880 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (+986) 10/* An esolang as an engelang */ My Firefox can't take input so here's an intermediate < 1720193369 825239 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was considering feeding all the wiki articles to do LoRA tuning or something on one of the pre-trained open LLMs to make it generate an esolangs.org article given a title. Sadly, many of the articles aren't... great. And I feel like for a lot of them, it's very hard to have any sort of meaningful connection between the title and content. So it probably wouldn't be all that impressive. > 1720193418 679070 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132353&oldid=132309 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+247) 10/* Commands */ > 1720193448 599115 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132354&oldid=132353 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* A+B Problem */ < 1720193460 183289 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a lot of "unreliable" esolangs (ones where a given operation only succeeds with some probability), and genAI is notoriously unreliable as well, so maybe you can combine those two ideas and do a language where the main source of frustration is having an LLM between you and execution to screw things up. > 1720195095 998923 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Messenger/Python interpreter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132355&oldid=132349 5* 03Squareroot12621 5* (+240) 10Fixed various bugs. < 1720195281 13069 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1720196297 181492 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132356&oldid=132350 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+10) 10 > 1720196345 474393 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Messenger14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132357&oldid=132348 5* 03Squareroot12621 5* (+258) 10Added Hello, World! program. < 1720196552 944706 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Raoof > 1720196690 742223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132358&oldid=132326 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+202) 10 < 1720196698 289122 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1720196817 796524 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132359&oldid=132351 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1) 10/* Esolangs = */ > 1720197151 813855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Messenger14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132360&oldid=132357 5* 03Squareroot12621 5* (-4) 10Golfed Hello, World! program. < 1720197775 907808 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1720197842 566799 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132361&oldid=132356 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+53) 10 > 1720197965 321861 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132362&oldid=132358 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+43) 10 > 1720198072 940898 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132363&oldid=132362 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+48) 10 < 1720199193 99813 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1720199424 323208 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132364&oldid=132361 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1) 10 > 1720199758 424776 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132365&oldid=132364 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+201) 10 > 1720199966 249726 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132366&oldid=132365 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+27) 10 > 1720200023 436180 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132367&oldid=132366 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+39) 10 < 1720200030 373904 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1720200133 938523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132368&oldid=132367 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+33) 10 > 1720200157 231902 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132369&oldid=132368 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+26) 10 > 1720200250 93703 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132370&oldid=132369 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+86) 10 < 1720200256 531040 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen JOIN #esolangs sbak :realname < 1720200264 801796 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: https://github.com/TodePond/DreamBerd < 1720200374 637262 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1720200444 788381 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron > 1720200568 421558 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132371&oldid=132282 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+200) 10 > 1720200610 368304 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132372&oldid=132370 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+34) 10 > 1720200667 804585 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132373&oldid=132319 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+40) 10 > 1720200807 567514 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132374&oldid=132372 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+331) 10 < 1720201250 932718 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1720201520 347449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132375&oldid=132374 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+72) 10 > 1720201569 803577 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132376&oldid=132375 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+13) 10 > 1720201778 642428 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132377&oldid=132376 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-35) 10 < 1720201802 847412 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron > 1720201830 416636 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132378&oldid=132377 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+39) 10 > 1720202281 467702 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132379&oldid=132378 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+5) 10 > 1720202920 578996 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132380&oldid=132379 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-1) 10 > 1720203427 169590 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132381&oldid=132380 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+305) 10 < 1720203529 271795 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1720203550 249668 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1720203565 621619 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132382&oldid=132381 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1) 10 < 1720203706 499291 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1720203791 973876 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1720204046 96397 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132383&oldid=132382 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+323) 10 < 1720204246 96430 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1720205179 860110 :Raoof!~Raoof@ip251.ip-167-114-76.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1720205715 941314 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132384&oldid=132383 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-322) 10 < 1720206241 35581 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1720206753 381834 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132385&oldid=132354 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+49) 10/* Commands */ > 1720206897 944637 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10moved [[02ELang10]] to [[E-Language]]: move requested by author > 1720206919 282569 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10moved [[02E-Language10]] to [[E-language]]: correct move > 1720207036 670190 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132388&oldid=132347 5* 03Ais523 5* (+344) 10/* There are two "Elang" now. */ done, but it doesn't need admin help > 1720207591 978932 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,!)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132389&oldid=132384 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+36) 10 > 1720207755 180796 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Brainstoremax ascii loop.png10]]" > 1720207766 937729 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132391&oldid=132385 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-589) 10/* Commands */ > 1720208293 783431 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Brainstoremax hello world.png10]]" < 1720208309 784874 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1720208320 280238 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainstoremax14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132393 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+455) 10Created page with "Brainfuck has 8 commands. > < + - [ ] . , 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Convert to base 8. A single byte can store 4 commands. Convert to base 16. A single pixel can store 12 commands. Convert to hexcode. Add to image. You now have brainfuck script in small amount of pi > 1720208942 457104 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07COPIED!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132394&oldid=130380 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+37) 10 < 1720208948 691035 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Should you mention that the ICFP 2014 is similar than the SECD machine? There seems some similarities as well as some differences. > 1720211111 541276 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* 10New user account > 1720211634 519482 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132395&oldid=132214 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (+182) 10did verification thing > 1720211664 954177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132396&oldid=132395 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (+1) 10fixed minor typo > 1720211888 87232 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Squick14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132397 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (+291) 10Created page with "Squick is a furry themed esolang designed to be as hard to program in as possible. == Entomology: == Squick is a furry slang term refering to do/wear/say something unexpected with the intention of perplexing outsiders by advertising in an obvious manner one's affili > 1720212006 274927 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Squick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132398&oldid=132397 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (-85) 10 > 1720212100 476019 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Squick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132399&oldid=132398 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (+221) 10/* Coding Interface: */ > 1720212132 25943 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Squick14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132400&oldid=132399 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (+56) 10 < 1720213107 425553 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1720214551 98646 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1720216030 417111 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Messenger14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132401&oldid=132360 5* 03Squareroot12621 5* (+145) 10Added primality detector. < 1720216840 485672 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1720219606 775552 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Messenger14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132402&oldid=132401 5* 03Squareroot12621 5* (+33) 10Fixed primality detector for inputs below 2. < 1720220241 662107 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:35f5:4f4f:6c90:825f QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1720220642 868235 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also had many idea of adding instruction into the General Compute Coprocessor, e.g. unsigned arithmetic, bitwise, and other extensions. < 1720220700 73913 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :A security extension adds three instructions: LDP (loads a program and makes a closure whose environment has no parent frame, and the instruction address points to beginning of the loaded program), HIDE (like AP but adds a stop to the data stack and return stack), THIDE (like TAP but discards everything from the data stack up to but not including the nearest stop). < 1720221938 478290 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then, if RTN encounters a stop, the stop is removed, everything above the nearest stop in the data stack is removed and put into a list and the stop itself is also removed, and then the RTN operation continues. STOP will do something similar, but gets rid of everything above the stop in the returns tack. Any other instruction encountering a stop in the data stack is an error (even if it does nothing with it). < 1720222943 216042 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you think it is good enough? < 1720223097 501536 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.250.214 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1720225606 932707 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.250.214 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1720225756 677478 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Squick14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132403&oldid=132400 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+77) 10Categories > 1720227037 609325 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Brainstoremax14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132404 5* 03None1 5* (+109) 10Created page with "A pixel can only store 8 commands. --~~~~" > 1720228647 743775 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03None1 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Pocketfuck tm.png10]]": Shorter Truth Machine > 1720228797 603632 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03None1 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Pocketfuck xkcdrn.png10]]": Shorter XKCD Random Number > 1720228911 748234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PocketFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132407&oldid=129909 5* 03None1 5* (+8) 10/* Example Programs */ > 1720228956 953335 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PocketFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132408&oldid=132407 5* 03None1 5* (+130) 10/* Example Programs */ > 1720229117 314235 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03None1 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Pocketfuck hello.png10]]": Shorter > 1720229256 875938 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainstoremax14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132410&oldid=132393 5* 03None1 5* (+144) 10/* Hello world */ > 1720229496 184049 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PocketFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132411&oldid=132408 5* 03None1 5* (+102) 10/* Interpreters */ > 1720232113 993037 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03None1 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Pocketfuck bf.png10]]": [[dbfi]] based brainfuck interpreter in [[PocketFuck]] > 1720232267 641357 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ELang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132413 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+24) 10Redirected page to [[E-language]] > 1720232673 71191 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PocketFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132414&oldid=132411 5* 03None1 5* (+115) 10/* Example Programs */ > 1720232693 254715 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132415&oldid=132373 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+370) 10 > 1720232919 371354 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132416&oldid=132415 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+580) 10 < 1720233607 360058 :nitrix!~nitrix@user/meow/nitrix QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - 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Each cell is a stack. a maximum of 5 things on each stack == Syntax == The syntax of '''(*)''' {| class="wikitable" |+ Syntax |- ! Symbol !! Meanin > 1720245996 570184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132428&oldid=131275 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+19) 10/* Real Quines */ > 1720246334 536481 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(*)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132429&oldid=132427 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+91) 10 < 1720248910 551814 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1720250122 885620 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1720250410 922359 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Squick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132430&oldid=132403 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (+391) 10/* Coding Interface: */ > 1720250685 631979 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Squick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132431&oldid=132430 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (+130) 10 > 1720252134 328566 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03LilGalaxy 5* 10New user account < 1720254128 673670 :dawids_!~dawids@64.43.153.227 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1720254180 754586 :dawids_!~dawids@64.43.153.227 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1720257630 660879 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1720258960 409753 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* 10moved [[02Squick10]] to [[Confuzzle]] > 1720259202 379073 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Confuzzle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132434&oldid=132432 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (-950) 10 > 1720259366 574268 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Confuzzle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132435&oldid=132434 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (+127) 10 > 1720259432 213857 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Confuzzle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132436&oldid=132435 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (-2) 10 > 1720259458 537418 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Confuzzle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132437&oldid=132436 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (+17) 10 > 1720259661 939408 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132438&oldid=132391 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+540) 10 < 1720259668 339198 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1720259765 37876 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Confuzzle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132439&oldid=132437 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (+95) 10 > 1720259791 984265 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Confuzzle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132440&oldid=132439 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (+4) 10 > 1720259977 465665 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Confuzzle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132441&oldid=132440 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (+187) 10 > 1720260286 143245 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132442&oldid=132438 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+135) 10 > 1720260334 2116 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132443&oldid=132442 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+44) 10/* Computational Class */ > 1720260351 517384 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132444&oldid=132443 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+13) 10/* Computational Class */ > 1720260424 144579 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132445&oldid=132444 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+54) 10/* Computational Class */ > 1720260522 423576 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132446&oldid=132445 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+37) 10/* Computational Class */ > 1720260566 300196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132447&oldid=132446 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+66) 10/* See Also */ > 1720261005 642947 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132448&oldid=132423 5* 03None1 5* (+109) 10 > 1720261967 93342 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:0x29A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132449&oldid=74295 5* 03None1 5* (+216) 10 > 1720262167 321407 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Confuzzle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132450&oldid=132441 5* 03SquirrelCorn 5* (+93) 10 > 1720262904 323881 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132451&oldid=130197 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+305) 10 > 1720263197 912965 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07B (None1)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132452&oldid=132171 5* 03None1 5* (+16) 10/* See also */ > 1720263489 647017 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pocketfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132453 5* 03None1 5* (+25) 10Created page with "# REDIRECT [[PocketFuck]]" > 1720263500 994883 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pocketfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132454&oldid=132453 5* 03None1 5* (-1) 10Redirected page to [[PocketFuck]] > 1720263885 208266 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132455&oldid=131865 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1012) 10/* Timezone */ new section < 1720264170 766085 :lynndotpy!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 QUIT :Quit: bye bye < 1720264236 287358 :lynndotpy!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 JOIN #esolangs lynndotpy :lynn > 1720264579 475735 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:None114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132456&oldid=132455 5* 03None1 5* (+108) 10/* Timezone */ < 1720265422 545410 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:7ac6:a950:e085:797b JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1720265748 911242 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1720265906 599804 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132457&oldid=130007 5* 03None1 5* (+8) 10/* x = x ^ y */ Using ^ is confusing (may mean xor or pow) > 1720266592 917642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:BF Joust14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132458&oldid=32793 5* 03None1 5* (+163) 10/* Dead links */ new section > 1720266875 911265 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bundle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132459&oldid=111144 5* 03OllyTheFoldy 5* (-4) 10Redirect links from replit to GitHub Pages > 1720267171 952963 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132460&oldid=132456 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+381) 10 < 1720269547 748430 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1720271388 594432 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(*)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132461&oldid=132429 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+240) 10 > 1720271417 377881 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(*)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132462&oldid=132461 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+0) 10 > 1720271435 533588 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(*)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132463&oldid=132462 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-2) 10 > 1720271918 538976 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(*)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132464&oldid=132463 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+105) 10 > 1720272299 529750 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132465&oldid=132428 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-19) 10 > 1720272397 565196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132466&oldid=132465 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+19) 10/* Cheating Quines */ > 1720272842 924332 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(*)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132467&oldid=132464 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+90) 10 > 1720272856 972102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(*)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132468&oldid=132467 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+0) 10 > 1720272953 704353 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(*)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132469&oldid=132468 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+1) 10 > 1720273034 678845 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(*)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132470&oldid=132469 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+13) 10 < 1720273280 864203 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just don't get why there's like a steady ~7qps of traffic specifically to hack.esolangs.org destinations per https://zem.fi/tmp/qps.png -- there's nothing particularly interesting in there. < 1720273377 327875 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Per the logs it's mostly just Anthropic's ClaudeBot crawling things like /repo/annotate/d06d884477a4/wisdom/overworld and /repo/comparison/a4ee9fefe8d7/paste/paste.22681 and /repo/diff/34f2c0d8a6e8/bin/karma%2B and whatnot. < 1720273399 459959 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guess there's a lot of technically unique URLs in the hgweb if you take all the possible diffs and revisions into account. < 1720273469 495363 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:7ac6:a950:e085:797b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1720273473 263823 :ajal!~ambylastn@host81-158-200-63.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1720273492 234985 :ajal!~ambylastn@host81-158-200-63.range81-158.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1720273512 307111 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:7ac6:a950:e085:797b JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1720273959 747248 :cpressey!~weechat@176.254.71.203 JOIN #esolangs cpressey :weechat > 1720274445 574157 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132471 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+3288) 10Created page with " is designed by PSTF. == Command table == {| class="wikitable" |+ Table |- ! This !! BF |- | || > |- | || < |- | || + |- | || - |- | || . |- | || , |- | || 1720274478 431176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132472&oldid=132315 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+16) 10 < 1720274495 721010 :cpressey!~weechat@176.254.71.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1720275693 842410 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Baba is program14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132473&oldid=70612 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+304) 10/* This maybe like my . */ new section > 1720277251 854022 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132474&oldid=132416 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+273) 10 < 1720277569 859431 :cpressey!~weechat@176.254.71.203 JOIN #esolangs cpressey :weechat < 1720278015 545127 :user3456!user3456@user/user3456 QUIT :Quit: I use ZNC - https://znc.in > 1720278131 91679 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132475&oldid=132447 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+124) 10/* Commands */ > 1720278168 932399 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132476&oldid=132475 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-3) 10/* Commands */ < 1720280439 738061 :user3456!user3456@user/user3456 JOIN #esolangs user3456 :user3456 < 1720280452 248759 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1720283881 284920 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen < 1720284579 829513 :cpressey!~weechat@176.254.71.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1720285118 83313 :cpressey!~weechat@176.254.71.203 JOIN #esolangs * :weechat < 1720285345 249941 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1720285856 499159 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.234.99 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1720286561 87920 :cpressey!~weechat@176.254.71.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1720288031 317405 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen < 1720288550 82949 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1720290003 335228 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1720290008 909874 :cpressey!~weechat@176.254.71.203 JOIN #esolangs * :weechat < 1720290146 321622 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1720290534 83396 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1720290872 511004 :cpressey!~weechat@176.254.71.203 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 4.3.0 > 1720291640 417708 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(*)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132477&oldid=132470 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+10) 10/* examples */ > 1720292258 122210 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07,(*+)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132478 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+482) 10Created page with "''',(*+)''' is a esolang made by [[User:yayimhere]] with only recursion. The only three commands are: * () enqueue whats on tha brackets including the brackets themselves. The inside * [] dequeue the front value and replace the brackets and whats in them with that * = dequeu > 1720293390 316188 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dot's14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132479&oldid=109704 5* 03Ilikecreepers 5* (+1) 10 > 1720294113 213380 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132480&oldid=132363 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+21) 10 < 1720296551 569203 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.234.99 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1720296574 364804 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132481&oldid=132476 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+12) 10/* Commands */ > 1720296975 623255 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132482&oldid=132481 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+6) 10/* Commands */ > 1720297112 308806 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074ME14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132483&oldid=132482 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+6) 10/* Commands */ < 1720298433 672900 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1720298698 15796 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1720299920 201036 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1720301610 538814 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.234.99 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1720302035 951979 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in > 1720302145 761078 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132484&oldid=132448 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+235) 10 > 1720302168 587893 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132485&oldid=132484 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+2) 10 > 1720302267 511673 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Brainstoremax14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132486&oldid=132404 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+132) 10 < 1720302372 116279 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox > 1720302907 591427 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132487&oldid=132451 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+461) 10 > 1720303416 302162 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132488&oldid=132424 5* 03LilGalaxy 5* (+149) 10 > 1720303506 967555 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132489&oldid=132488 5* 03LilGalaxy 5* (+59) 10 > 1720303542 931864 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132490&oldid=132489 5* 03LilGalaxy 5* (+12) 10 > 1720303592 309967 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132491&oldid=132490 5* 03LilGalaxy 5* (+12) 10 > 1720303830 170552 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PROGRAMCODEYOU14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132492 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+1009) 10Created page with "PROGRAMCODEYOU is a version of [[SovietCode]] by [[User:Tommyaweosme]] == Commands == IN AMERICA, - optional. backwards version of script where everything is like it should be IN SOVIET RUSSIA, - starts scripts MEMORY CELL MOVE YOU!!! - moves memory point > 1720303843 526550 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PROGRAMCODEYOU14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132493&oldid=132492 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+0) 10switch. < 1720304629 932534 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1720306420 180652 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Funciton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132494&oldid=131465 5* 03Timwi 5* (+117) 10add function > 1720310944 928442 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jail system is Turing-complete14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132495 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+757) 10Created page with "Let's assume there are infinite people (there aren't really, but that doesn't matter), and there is one judge. The judge can go from interviewing different people at a time, so > and < are down. Since [[Brainfuck]]' < 1720311071 939755 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@83.223.234.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1720311081 839354 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Jail system makes no sense14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132496&oldid=116142 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+250) 10 < 1720311511 504654 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.202.105 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1720313876 268728 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:7ac6:a950:e085:797b QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement > 1720315025 712142 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Duoquadragesimal 5* 10New user account > 1720315344 157292 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132497&oldid=132491 5* 03Duoquadragesimal 5* (+187) 10/* Introductions */ < 1720316985 830840 :moony5!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1720316987 676561 :ursa-major_!114efe6c39@2a03:6000:1812:100::11f3 JOIN #esolangs ursa-major :Bailey Bjornstad < 1720317020 206477 :ursa-major!114efe6c39@2a03:6000:1812:100::11f3 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1720317025 923953 :[iovoid]!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :guaranteed to not behave anticausally < 1720317077 447223 :moony!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1720317077 501759 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1720317077 764097 :moony5!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :moony < 1720317100 302802 :[iovoid]!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :iovoid < 1720317244 343804 :ursa-major_!114efe6c39@2a03:6000:1812:100::11f3 NICK :ursa-major < 1720317903 196298 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1720317933 235601 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 JOIN #esolangs op_4 :op_4 < 1720318793 393218 :earend1!uid657395@user/utoneq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1720319036 381947 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132498&oldid=131568 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+170) 10 < 1720319692 912 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.202.105 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1720320130 92578 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1720320174 97187 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Client Quit > 1720320253 78085 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Eafish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132499 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+459) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}} '''eafish''' is [[Deadfish]] without the d command. It also doesn't follow the tradition of 256=0, so theres no going back if you accidentally square or increment the counter. == UI == There is 3 buttons. Increment, square, and output. Output prints the > 1720320259 813376 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Eafish/HTML Interpreter14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132500 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+372) 10Created page with "

eafish interpeter