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01:03:50 <esolangs> [[Talk:Hippopotomonstrosesquipedalian]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134448 * PrySigneToFry * (+2006) /* Even longer */ new section
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05:24:31 <esolangs> [[AEL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134453&oldid=134430 * Pro465 * (+386) add more stuff
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05:37:50 <esolangs> [[AEL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134454&oldid=134453 * Pro465 * (+172) add more features
06:13:30 <esolangs> [[Nope]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134455&oldid=134452 * Gggfr * (+13)
06:13:52 <esolangs> [[BrainofGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134456&oldid=134439 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Hello, world! */
06:15:45 <esolangs> [[Nope]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134457&oldid=134455 * Gggfr * (-92)
06:19:12 <esolangs> [[User talk:RainbowDash]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134458&oldid=134404 * Gggfr * (+1127)
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07:28:09 <b_jonas> I wish the websites that have *-latest links where you can directly download whatever the latest version of something is would give a Content-Disposition to give a filename including version number
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08:10:29 <esolangs> [[Element]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134459&oldid=70781 * Ractangle * (+33) /* Hello World */
08:25:27 <int-e> b_jonas: Can you easily do that with just symlinks? https://serverfault.com/questions/638189/make-apache-generate-content-disposition-for-symlinks never got any answer.
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09:26:23 <int-e> b_jonas: the other question, of course, is whether *users* of those links really want that or not.
09:26:49 <int-e> Because there will be people using them in scripts.
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09:53:35 <esolangs> [[User:Salpynx/2-symbol-tm-conversion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134460&oldid=134446 * Salpynx * (+496) maybe my calculations are wrong, but the (107, 2) machine seems to be working
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11:16:38 <tromp> i just added Loader's Number. i'll be happy to hear about any size improvements you can make. would be awesome to fit it in a (280 byte) tweet
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11:45:02 <esolangs> [[User talk:RainbowDash]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134461&oldid=134458 * PkmnQ * (+444) /* on nope */
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12:03:56 <esolangs> [[User:Salpynx/2-symbol-tm-conversion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134462&oldid=134460 * Salpynx * (-769) among other stupid mistakes, I was counting rules instead of states
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12:08:31 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134464&oldid=134428 * Unname4798 * (+68)
12:12:03 <esolangs> [[User:Salpynx/2-symbol-tm-conversion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134465&oldid=134463 * Salpynx * (+139) /* External links */ I think there are a couple of unnecessary states, so it's 105 or 106 state 2 symbol
12:12:09 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134466&oldid=134464 * Unname4798 * (+19)
12:13:04 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134467&oldid=134426 * Unname4798 * (+0)
12:13:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134468&oldid=134467 * Unname4798 * (+1)
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12:19:08 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox/Archive 1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134470&oldid=134469 * Unname4798 * (+3)
12:19:44 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox/Archive 1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134471&oldid=134470 * Unname4798 * (-7)
12:20:22 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox/Archive 1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134472&oldid=134471 * Unname4798 * (+4)
12:20:37 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox/Archive 1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134473&oldid=134472 * Unname4798 * (-3)
12:27:57 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * LillyHStClaire * New user account
12:31:13 <esolangs> [[BrainofGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134474&oldid=134456 * Ractangle * (+94) /* BrainofGolf */
12:36:54 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134475&oldid=134325 * LillyHStClaire * (+452) An introduction
12:37:17 <esolangs> [[BrainofGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134476&oldid=134474 * Ractangle * (+2) /* Brainfuck */
12:37:40 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox/Archive 1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134477&oldid=134473 * Unname4798 * (+31)
12:37:57 <esolangs> [[BrainofGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134478&oldid=134476 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Hello, world! */
12:38:08 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox/Archive 1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134479&oldid=134477 * Unname4798 * (+11)
12:38:25 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox/Archive 1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134480&oldid=134479 * Unname4798 * (+6)
12:38:35 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox/Archive 1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134481&oldid=134480 * Unname4798 * (+1)
12:52:53 <esolangs> [[Boolfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134482&oldid=101518 * LillyHStClaire * (+505) Adds a small summary on how the IO stream works
12:53:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:Burn]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134483&oldid=133684 * PkmnQ * (+242) /* Some ideas */ Something to look into later
12:55:06 <esolangs> [[Boolfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134484&oldid=134482 * LillyHStClaire * (+55) fix missing code blocks in IO explanation
12:58:54 <esolangs> [[BrainofGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134485&oldid=134478 * Ractangle * (+184) /* BrainofGolf */
12:59:05 <esolangs> [[BrainofGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134486&oldid=134485 * Ractangle * (-1) /* Examples */
13:00:05 <esolangs> [[BrainofGolf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134487&oldid=134486 * None1 * (+58) Don't forget to categorize!
13:04:06 <esolangs> [[BrainofGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134488&oldid=134487 * Ractangle * (+129) /* BrainofGolf */
13:05:19 <esolangs> [[BrainofGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134489&oldid=134488 * Ractangle * (+31) /* Examples */
13:05:55 <esolangs> [[BrainofGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134490&oldid=134489 * Ractangle * (+30) /* Truth-machine */
13:10:06 <esolangs> [[Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134491&oldid=133074 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Esolangs */
13:11:04 <esolangs> [[Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134492&oldid=134491 * Ractangle * (+7)
13:12:32 <esolangs> [[CLFCE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134493&oldid=131795 * Ractangle * (-44)
13:16:44 <esolangs> [[Or++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134494&oldid=134443 * TheCanon2 * (+338) Noted input functionality and modified the interpreter
13:18:20 <esolangs> [[FastBrain]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134495 * None1 * (+1861) Created page with "{{lang|a=User:None1|i=bf}} It is made because of one of the weaknesses in bf: Moving to another cell in the tape is slow. ==Tape== Instead of a 1D tape, FastBrain has a 15D tape. ==Commands== <pre> < - Move the tape to the left > - Move the tape to the right ^ - Move th
13:18:39 <esolangs> [[FastBrain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134496&oldid=134495 * None1 * (+4)
13:19:16 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134497&oldid=134361 * None1 * (+16) /* F */
13:19:59 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134498&oldid=132969 * None1 * (+47) /* My Esolangs */
13:26:14 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox/Archive 1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134499&oldid=134481 * Unname4798 * (-6)
13:27:51 <esolangs> [[AEL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134500&oldid=134454 * Pro465 * (+719)
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13:39:42 <esolangs> [[CLFCE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134501&oldid=134493 * Ractangle * (-896)
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14:18:17 <esolangs> [[CLFCE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134503&oldid=134502 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Deadfish implementation */
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14:38:49 <esolangs> [[CLFCE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134504&oldid=134503 * Ractangle * (-26) /* Block-CLFCE */
14:45:16 <esolangs> [[CLFCE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134505&oldid=134504 * Ractangle * (+16) /* Block-CLFCE */
14:45:53 <esolangs> [[Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134506&oldid=134492 * Ractangle * (+7) /* Esolangs */
14:47:26 <esolangs> [[Xdi8 aho fHL mA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134507&oldid=131749 * PrySigneToFry * (+119)
14:49:22 <esolangs> [[(script())]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134508&oldid=131796 * Ractangle * (+57) /* Deadfish implementation */
14:50:09 <esolangs> [[Deadfish/Implementations (nonalphabetic and A-L)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134509&oldid=134287 * Ractangle * (+57) /* (script()) */
14:50:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:Disan Count]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134510&oldid=119273 * PrySigneToFry * (+173) /* Huh? */ new section
14:51:36 <esolangs> [[(script())]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134511&oldid=134508 * Ractangle * (+6) /* Commands */
14:51:57 <esolangs> [[(script())]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134512&oldid=134511 * Ractangle * (+2) /* Truth-machine */
14:52:45 <esolangs> [[(script())]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134513&oldid=134512 * Ractangle * (+6) /* Deadfish implementation */
14:53:09 <esolangs> [[(script())]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134514&oldid=134513 * Ractangle * (-29) /* Commands */
14:53:53 <esolangs> [[(script())]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134515&oldid=134514 * Ractangle * (-25) /* Deadfish implementation */
14:54:27 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134516&oldid=119295 * PrySigneToFry * (+122)
14:54:35 <esolangs> [[Deadfish/Implementations (nonalphabetic and A-L)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134517&oldid=134509 * Ractangle * (-19) /* (script()) */
14:57:21 <esolangs> [[Or++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134518&oldid=134494 * TheCanon2 * (+0) forgot space
15:00:21 <esolangs> [[Wenyan]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134519&oldid=134370 * PrySigneToFry * (+756)
15:01:23 <esolangs> [[Deadfish/Implementations (nonalphabetic and A-L)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134520&oldid=134517 * Ractangle * (-293) /* CLFCE */
15:02:03 <esolangs> [[Wenyan]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134521&oldid=134519 * PrySigneToFry * (+44)
15:02:18 <esolangs> [['interbasic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134522&oldid=131798 * Ractangle * (-4) /* Deadfish implementation */
15:02:38 <esolangs> [[Deadfish/Implementations (nonalphabetic and A-L)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134523&oldid=134520 * Ractangle * (-3) /* 'interbasic */
15:03:15 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134524&oldid=134385 * PrySigneToFry * (+296)
15:04:09 <esolangs> [['interbasic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134525&oldid=134522 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Commands */
15:05:50 <esolangs> [[?++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134526&oldid=129034 * Ractangle * (-8) /* One Time Cat */
15:10:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134527&oldid=60719 * PrySigneToFry * (+146) /* I written a poem for this Esolang( */ new section
15:20:47 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134528&oldid=134374 * PrySigneToFry * (+1095)
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15:23:55 <esolangs> [[BrainofGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134529&oldid=134490 * Ractangle * (+17) /* BrainofGolf */
15:24:20 <esolangs> [[BrainofGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134530&oldid=134529 * Ractangle * (-16) /* BrainofGolf */
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15:27:56 <esolangs> [[PokBattle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134531&oldid=127495 * PrySigneToFry * (+2037) Edit on Hello, world!
15:33:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:PokBattle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134532&oldid=127496 * PrySigneToFry * (+878) /* A pseudo code */ new section
15:37:59 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/TEST2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134533 * PrySigneToFry * (+309) Created page with "<span lang="zh" style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:scale(1,1);margin:0em -0.89em 0em -0.18em;"><span style="display:inline-block;transform:translate(0%,0%) scale(0.73,1)">{{{}}}</span><span style="display:inline-block;t
15:38:13 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/TEST2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134534&oldid=134533 * PrySigneToFry * (-12)
15:39:21 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134535&oldid=133758 * PrySigneToFry * (+45)
16:52:03 <esolangs> [[AEL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134536&oldid=134500 * Pro465 * (+349) add infobox
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17:08:18 <esolangs> [[401]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134538 * Xff * (+409) Created page with "401 is a very simple esolang made to be turing complete and have less commands than [[nope]]. oh also it was made by [[User:Yayimhere]] == syntax == there are 4 commands: xy will set x to the binary signed number y xyz set x to y plus z. y and z can only be varibles x: if x i
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17:26:38 <esolangs> [[95-98]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134539 * Xff * (+1021) Created page with "95-98 is a esolang thats just... stupid. it was made by [[User:Yayimhere]] == name == the name comes from a wikipedia article where it said 95-98 somewhere == how it works == memory is stored in a list. the command <code>x-y</code> will append all the numbers in range x to y,
17:46:25 <esolangs> [[95-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134540&oldid=134539 * Xff * (+13)
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17:56:30 <esolangs> [[95-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134542&oldid=134541 * Xff * (+0)
17:57:01 <esolangs> [[95-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134543&oldid=134542 * Xff * (+0) /* computational class */
17:57:11 <esolangs> [[95-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134544&oldid=134543 * Xff * (+0) /* computational class */
18:01:57 <esolangs> [[95-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134545&oldid=134544 * Xff * (+147)
18:13:30 <esolangs> [[AEL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134546&oldid=134536 * Pro465 * (+121)
18:18:32 <esolangs> [[95-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134547&oldid=134545 * Xff * (+137) /* computational class */
18:18:42 <esolangs> [[95-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134548&oldid=134547 * Xff * (-1) /* computational class */
18:19:27 <esolangs> [[AEL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134549&oldid=134546 * Pro465 * (-1) /* Fibonacci */ fix
18:35:08 <esolangs> [[95-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134550&oldid=134548 * Xff * (+228)
18:40:00 <esolangs> [[95-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134551&oldid=134550 * Xff * (+357)
18:41:10 <esolangs> [[95-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134552&oldid=134551 * Xff * (+17) /* computational class */
18:42:48 <esolangs> [[95-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134553&oldid=134552 * Xff * (+49)
18:54:49 <esolangs> [[95-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134554&oldid=134553 * Xff * (+126) /* tips */
18:55:23 <esolangs> [[95-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134555&oldid=134554 * Xff * (+4) /* examples */
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20:23:03 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Esolang:Sandbox/Archive 1]]": a) archiving a page for test edits is inherently useless; b) clearly an attempt to circumvent a block
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20:26:01 <ais523> re: the "sandbox wars" – I have realised, that under the default principle of "follow Wikipedia's rules except when ours are explicitly different", I should be asking other administrators to do sandbox-related blocks rather than doing them myself
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20:26:17 <esolangs> [[Xx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134574&oldid=134321 * Xff * (+33) /* examples */
20:26:29 <ais523> are people OK to let me continue doing this, and/or to take over the blocks themself to make it clear that it isn't just one admin's opinion?
20:26:41 <ais523> I am still amazed that something this ridiculous has lead to this much controversy
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20:31:21 <esolangs> [[Ns2dL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134578&oldid=133616 * Xff * (+0)
20:31:40 <b_jonas> asking other moderators works better on bigger wikis which have more moderators that are active
20:32:00 <fizzie> Was going to say. I think the problem with that is, all us other nominal admins are useless wretches who never manage to get anything done.
20:33:24 <fizzie> But I'm happy to at least confirm that I agree with your interpretation of the Sandbox page's intended purpose, and wish people would just stop messing with it. (They're of course welcome to continue their preservation work outside the wiki. Not that I really understand it fully.)
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20:37:05 <ais523> yes – although we probably can't interfere with what they're doing offwiki, I think it wouldn't make sense to do so even if we could
20:38:39 <esolangs> [[Slashist]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134579&oldid=132864 * Xff * (+11) /* Cat program */ added code formatting
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20:40:12 <b_jonas> can we book an arena, buy some weapons, and get them to fight to death? only it's the 21st century so we have to put cameras to their forehead for a nice first person view shots
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20:41:47 <esolangs> [[Template:Reflist]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134581 * Ais523 * (+14) a few people have attempted to use this template, presumably in an analogous manner to the template with the same name at Wikipedia: create a template that does the same thing (but with code that's written from scratch and is much simpler)
20:43:50 <fizzie> By the way, do we know if these are Discord people? And/or, is there any cross-pollination between the IRC channel and the (two?) Discord communities?
20:44:10 <fizzie> I seem to have gotten an impression that the two had some sort of a spat.
20:44:29 <Sgeo> ...There are two Discord communities?
20:44:32 <esolangs> [[Looping counter]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=134582&oldid=134561 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1)
20:44:50 <fizzie> According to https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal there are.
20:44:51 <Sgeo> I most esolang here, but everything else I'm mostly on Discord. I've talked on one of the Discords a bit lately
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20:45:30 <ais523> there used to be two, with some sort of dispute about which one was "official" / new users should go to (presumably they both wanted it), but I don't know what happened after that
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20:46:39 <ais523> it would be helpful if one or more of the regulars here was also a regular in the Discord community/communities, so that we could have some idea of what was going on over there
20:46:58 <fizzie> Without an account, Discord apparently shows you user counts; there's 50 users "online" on one, and 218 on the other, which doesn't sound like a definite victory one way or another.
20:47:23 <fizzie> I don't know if the sandbox thing has anything to do with either Discord group, it just sounds like the sort of thing that could.
20:48:11 <ais523> by comparison, there are 80 nicknames currently in this channel, which I suspect might be analogous to the Discord user counts
20:48:22 <ais523> i.e. mostly idlers, but people who would notice if you pinged them, plus the occasional bot
20:48:58 <ais523> I get the impression that many of the people messing with the sandbox know each other *somehow* offwiki, e.g. they are doing things with each others' permission but the permission wasn't sought onwiki
20:50:46 <fizzie> (Discord also shows "member" counts, 152 and 768 respectively, but I don't know if that's more like "has once been there and still has a Discord account and hasn't taken a positive step to disassociate themselves" or something else.)
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20:53:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:Or++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134584 * Ais523 * (+397) computational class proof is wrong
20:59:20 <esolangs> [[( )]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=134585 * Xff * (+1132) Created page with "{{{{wrongtitle|title=[ ] }} '''[ ] ''' is a very simple and very stupid esolang made by [[User:Yayimhere]] == how it works == <code>[]</code> will swap the chars in and outside the braces.(so <code>[A]B<code> become <code>[B]A<code>. if there is a space before the braces it wi
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21:06:23 <b_jonas> I think I joined these Discord guilds, or at least one of them, though I don't really use them for anything and they'll be among the first I leave when I leave the 200 guild limit
21:06:52 <b_jonas> I'm on only one of them I think
21:08:03 <ais523> ooh: apparently tag systems are TC with only two symbols: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.6700
21:08:24 <b_jonas> both of their logos is a trilime, I'm on the one whose logo is a three-colored trilime, the other's logo is a rainbow trilime
21:09:32 <ais523> even better, one of the symbols appears to expand to itself – which may make this good for creating other small universal constructions
21:10:53 <b_jonas> we should make a fourth version of the trilime (besides these two and the wiki logo) and call it the official logo of this channel
21:11:08 <HackEso> logo? No such file or directory
21:12:54 <ais523> I don't think IRC channels normally have logos
21:13:20 <fizzie> I tried to make one that was three rectangles, somewhat similarly positioned, with colors taken from the original, but it didn't really look good.
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21:14:17 <fizzie> I guess the IRC channel's logo could be used as the favicon of logs.esolangs.org, now it's just the regular trilime.
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21:14:59 <b_jonas> I should try to photograph three slices of a lemon
21:15:14 <ais523> the history of the trilime is great
21:15:26 <ais523> IIRC it was originally a placeholder image, but it fit so well we decided to keep it
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21:15:38 <drwizard> wow! this channel is so much bigger than #cs
21:16:18 <b_jonas> is that why Thue is the featured language forever? it "fits so well"?
21:16:41 <drwizard> where is Thue the featured language?
21:17:01 <HackEso> drwizard: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <https://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
21:17:50 <ais523> no, Thue is mostly just the featured language because it takes a lot of effort to get a page up to a high enough level of quality to feature, and because the featured language process ends up getting very biased if I try to do the whole thing by myself
21:18:17 <drwizard> what does the number 523 mean? what's its significance?
21:18:31 <ais523> it was originally randomly selected
21:18:40 <ais523> (by a computer, not by me)
21:18:47 <ais523> followers of Discordianism apparently find this hilarious
21:18:51 <drwizard> so is this the real place to discuss computer science?
21:19:04 <drwizard> because otherwise #cs is almost dead
21:19:17 <ais523> in a way – this place discusses esoteric programming languages, but there is something of an overlap with computer science
21:19:34 <fizzie> It's also... often not very lively here either.
21:19:41 <drwizard> and #bitwise is active but they seem to focus more on reading complete books
21:19:42 <ais523> there is a bias towards dicussing things that aren't practically useful here; we generally assume that there are other places doing the useful things, but maybe there aren't?
21:20:03 <drwizard> ais523: interesting. so then I'll ask my CS questions here when I have them. hope that's fine.
21:21:17 <ais523> I think CS might be technically offtopic, but a) conversation here doesn't always stay ontopic and b) esolangs run into random areas of CS often enough that it is hard to tell for sure that a CS question is offtopic
21:22:04 <drwizard> then I'll stick to #bitwise for practical matters and ask questions about more theoretical stuff here
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21:22:39 <drwizard> I'm guessing things theory of computation, complexity classes, decidability, etc. would be ok here?
21:22:45 <ais523> I think #esoteric is currently in the state of "it can be idle for ages at a time, but if two people start having a conversation then often others join in"
21:23:07 <ais523> we discuss computational class more often that complexity class, but complexity class does come up from time to time
21:23:37 <ais523> theory of computation and decidability are very commonly discussed, although the things we apply them to are often pretty weird
21:24:06 <b_jonas> discussing computational class vs complexity class... which one does this month's ultra-secret password belong to?
21:24:09 <ais523> often, when a low-level esolang is designed, one of the most obvious questions is "is this Turing-copmlete"
21:24:36 <ais523> b_jonas: well, the distinciton is that complexity class is based around how long a computation takes, whereas computational class is based around whether you can do it at all
21:25:24 <ais523> the whole busy beaver project is based around taking an uncomputable function and trying to compute as much of it as we can – we know that eventually we will get stuck, but don't know where or why
21:25:46 <ais523> or, well, we know why in general terms, but not what the specific issue will be
21:29:19 <b_jonas> sure but that description doesn't apply to complexity classes only because we can't prove that we'll get stuck. if someone guaranteed that some computational problem (like breaking a cryptographical primitive) takes exponential time in its size, we'd still try to solve as much of it as we can and see how big sizes we can still wolve
21:30:08 <ais523> there are two parts to the busy beaver problem, really: which machines halt, and how long does the slowest take to halt?
21:30:25 <ais523> and the former feels like more of a computational class problem, whereas the latter is complexity; but the former is probably more interesting
21:31:59 <b_jonas> btw somehow the youtube content miners found out about the "who can name a bigger number" thing and there's suddenly like half a dozen videos out about it. I haven't try to watch them yet because when a topic is so trendy most of the videos would just make me despair, and I already know where to look for good articles on that topic.
21:32:13 <b_jonas> the weird part is that one of the videos is by CodeParade
21:32:42 <b_jonas> (haven't watched that one either yet)
21:33:01 <b_jonas> I know this sometimes happens for some topic, when everyone tries to be the first to cover the same topic
21:34:32 <drwizard> b_jonas: what's the significance of codeparade? is that a popular name or personality?
21:35:32 <ais523> I think "in Magic: the Gathering, the furthest distance you can send the opponent's life total below zero, on turn 1, with a Vintage-legal 60-card deck that is incapable of sending it an arbitrarily far distance" is likely to win most biggest-number competitions that don't use a similar construction
21:36:04 <ais523> people have constructed Ackermann-like functions with the Busy Beaver function as part of it, in that
21:39:58 <b_jonas> ais523: that ... might run into a problem where the M:tG rules aren't clear enough
21:40:26 <b_jonas> and even besides that I think people have named numbers bigger than that, but of course I can't prove this
21:41:04 <b_jonas> drwizard: that I have heard of his youtube channel before these videos appeared
21:41:24 <ais523> b_jonas: that is possible, I guess
21:41:42 <ais523> there is the whole "is it possible to use Shaharazad as a halting oracle?" thing, but Wizards solved the problem by banning it from Vintage
21:41:48 <b_jonas> ackermann-like functions with the busy beaver function isn't something that didn't occur to the big number people before M:tG
21:42:31 <b_jonas> "Wizards solved the problem by banning it from Vintage" => uh...
21:43:06 <b_jonas> haven't people already used the M:tG rules about infinite loops as a halting oracle?
21:43:24 <ais523> possibly but I think the consensus among judges I've asked is that they don't work like that
21:43:38 <ais523> in that a loop of actions which never repeats may not be a draw
21:44:06 <ais523> the purpose of Shahrazad would be to replace the draw with something that allows the game to continue, so that a "doesn't halt" result wouldn't immediately cause a halt
21:44:18 <b_jonas> well it can't be just any actions, you have to at least give the players no choice to break the loop
21:44:42 <b_jonas> but yeah, it's possible that the rules don't allow it
21:45:13 <b_jonas> in any case, none of that should affect how large a number you can name using a modified version of M:tG
21:45:52 <b_jonas> as long as the rules for the modified version are clear enough
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21:53:37 <b_jonas> I'm also not sure if that M:tG number can even reasonably be made well-defined
21:54:08 <b_jonas> but I'm very much not an expert on the large number thing, I mostly ignored it
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