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12:38:22 <wWwwW> im bored and i have no dieas fo a esolang
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13:04:18 <wWwwW> what do you mean sprout?
13:11:00 <sprout> you asked for ideas, I gave you one
13:19:03 <wWwwW> i don wanna steal somebodys else's idea
13:20:25 <wWwwW> but even if its already made i want it to be orgiginal
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13:30:39 <wWwwW> also if you said somethin
13:30:54 <wWwwW> so could you maybe resend sprout
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14:17:43 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137968&oldid=137769 * PrySigneToFry * (+251) I see.(For the previous operation by AIS523)
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14:54:25 <wWwwW> can gte feedback on it?
14:58:28 <wWwwW> i can give the full idea
15:10:07 <wWwwW> if any of you want
15:13:50 <esolangs> [[Talk:Fortran]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137970&oldid=137940 * Yayimhere * (+161)
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15:48:24 <korvo> wWwwW: What do you want to accomplish?
15:49:18 <wWwwW> a esolang where you do crafting like in meincraft be deifnin g what things craft to what
15:51:27 <korvo> Fun! It sounds like the main thing to build would be a book of recipes.
15:51:53 <wWwwW> but what if you could modify it?
15:51:58 <wWwwW> like stirng rewriting
15:52:03 <wWwwW> but as minecraft crafting
15:52:53 <wWwwW> im makign am md doc of the book
15:52:59 <wWwwW> i would like help:)
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16:06:25 <wWwwW> ill send a link to the page korvo then you can check it out
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16:18:10 <wWwwW> did somebody say somethin to me?
16:18:20 <wWwwW> and wanted to know
16:23:05 <wWwwW> curent progress korvo: https://hackmd.io/@idkleftoutsidekkk/ryM0QbI3C
16:34:29 <ais523> wWwwW: there were no messages while you were connected
16:34:50 <ais523> you can see all the messages in the log, e.g. today's is https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-09-04.html
16:35:03 <ais523> lots of people here look at the log in order to reply to comments made while they weren't here
16:37:12 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Fortran]]": no content, has never had useful content don't create useless pages just to turn blue links red, it's possible that the link should be unlinked, but even when it shouldn't be, you should leave page creation to someone who has something to say
16:37:21 <fowl> my new programming language will have first-class telemetry. still working out the details
16:38:08 <esolangs> [[Talk:Fortran]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137971&oldid=137970 * Ais523 * (+334) page was created empty, and I have deleted it
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16:42:09 <ais523> fowl: in the sense that you can use telemetry as the argument and/or return value of a function?
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16:43:41 <ais523> it's kind-of mindboggling to imagine telemetry *not* being a special case, given that it seems to be a different kind of thing that the values and types that programs normally work with
16:50:12 <ais523> (I'm not saying that this is a bad idea – just that I'm interested to see how you'll accomplish it)
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16:56:49 <korvo> wWwwW: I'm getting a 403, sorry.
16:57:30 <korvo> I happen to be one of the Minecraft reverse engineers. I can tell you that the MC protocol supports a fairly flexible extension of crafting behaviors; it's not hard-coded.
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16:58:04 <korvo> The protocol lets a server tell a client to open up a modal box. There's hardcoded modals for crafting, furnaces, etc. but also freeform chest-like modals.
16:59:04 <korvo> The client and server can move objects around in the modal, and each movement (each mouse click, each drag-n-drop, etc.) sends an event from client to server. Also the server can force-change anything about the modal, like moving objects on their own.
17:00:03 <korvo> One of my early experiments was a sort of combination lock. The client attempts to open a chest/door. The server sends them a mostly-empty modal containing e.g. six colored wool blocks.
17:00:26 <korvo> The client has to drag them into the right locations on the modal, upon which the server instantly closes the modal and opens the door or spawns the chest modal.
17:00:34 <korvo> (If you've played Riven...)
17:01:04 <korvo> wWwwW: Anyway, it sounds like you're hard at work. When you're ready to share stuff publically, let me know and I'll have a look.
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17:14:14 <wWwwW> ill try to fix the 403
17:15:04 <wWwwW> https://hackmd.io/@idkleftoutsidekkk/ryM0QbI3C
17:16:36 <int-e> . o O ( window.GOOGLE_DRIVE_API_KEY = 'AIzaSyAHmcP5gL_64ZafuAYOvJruFAIaYgHQaY4' )
17:18:26 <int-e> just looking at the source code of that blank page :-P
17:19:10 <int-e> It might be less blank if I enabled Javascript. I don't know.
17:21:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Fortran]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137972&oldid=137971 * Yayimhere * (+175)
17:22:35 <int-e> It's hopefully a read-only API key. :-P
17:23:08 <wWwwW> i will make google doc
17:23:14 <wWwwW> since nobody can see it lol
17:23:15 <int-e> don't worry about it
17:24:02 <int-e> I have Javascript disabled by default. A lot of stuff doesn't work without Javascript. It makes me sad but... oh well.
17:24:35 <wWwwW> its just also korvok cant see it
17:25:09 <int-e> I can say that it's no longer s 403.
17:26:08 <ais523> int-e: I use two browsers, one with JS disabled, one with JS enabled but which wipes localstorage and cookies regularly
17:26:43 <ais523> and use the JS-disabled one for most browsing (I do enable JS on it on a case-by-case basis for websites which don't abuse it, like Wikipedia and Esolang)
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17:27:34 <ais523> then I have a third browser for testing that websites render correctly cross-browser, and a fourth browser for use in the terminal
17:28:04 <ais523> plus at least two browsers that I don't regularly use for anything (one of which is IE6, which I think I used once to test that a website would work in it)
17:28:11 <wWwwW> thats a lot of brwser
17:28:22 <wWwwW> ok thats enough browsers i think
17:28:50 <ais523> three browsers I don't regularly use for anything, I forgot I had Konqueror installed
17:29:13 <ais523> I do have a lot of browsers, I think I use even more text editors than that though
17:33:43 <fizzie> At least when it comes to the Google Drive API, I rather think API keys are entirely orthogonal to read-onlyness/read-writedness. Whether you can read or modify things depends on the relevant end-user credentials, usually through OAuth.
17:34:22 <wWwwW> im to stupid to understand that
17:34:26 <wWwwW> so immma ignore it ig
17:35:18 <fizzie> int-e: Looking at the feature list of the website, I'm guessing that's there to enable a "save to Drive" / "import from Drive" feature.
17:36:01 <b_jonas> can you recommend an x11 volume control program for my debian desktop? ideally one that I can just install to debian 11 from a native package and then keep when I upgrade to debian 12 (or 13 if I'm too lazy). I don't have any special needs, but currently I'm using qasmixer and that keeps crashing, so I'd just like something that doesn't crash so often.
17:37:34 <fizzie> Before PulseAudio/PipeWire, I used to just use that TUI thing, what's it called, `alsamixer`, with a thing that opened a new terminal for it.
17:38:04 <fizzie> If you glue a text-mode program to a terminal emulator, it counts as an X11 program.
17:38:22 <int-e> fizzie: There's a GOOGLE_DRIVE_CLIENT_ID as well. API credentials just are something that I don't really expect to see in client side JS code. But they may be fine. It's really more of a surprise than something I'll actually worry about.
17:40:01 <b_jonas> for browser, I primarily use firefox, the debian-modified version on my home machine and stock firefox on my Windows work machine. I have sometimes used extra Firefox profiles for a few things: I had one that uses the library's proxy to access parts of some paywalled publishing sites, I don't have the library subscription now but I'm not nuking it because I may use the same one in the future when I
17:41:34 <b_jonas> Long ago during my previous job I used to have a separate profile just to separate an in-house developped website to a separate process because it sometimes just consumed all resources and froze firefox. These days firefox has better built-in separation so that might not be necessary, though I still sometimes meet cases when the whole Firefox process hangs.
17:42:10 <fizzie> The "client ID" (in that context, anyway) is an OAuth2 concept, where it indicates the "client" (i.e., a specific website), for things like the auth/consent flow, so that it can show the correct details in the "do you want to let Frobnozz access your account" dialog.
17:42:24 <fizzie> Or something along those lines, I find modern webdev real hard to follow.
17:42:26 <b_jonas> I occasionally use Chrome or (at work only) IE to test if a website is only broken on Firefox or only with my Firefox plugins or it's just broken regardless of browser.
17:45:03 <fizzie> These days I just use Chrome, because, well, you know. With separate profiles for banking stuff and normal web browsing, for what little good that probably does. And then once in a blue moon re-check a website in Firefox to see if it's only broken on Chrome, but that seems to happen a lot less often than the other way around.
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17:45:51 <ais523> b_jonas: IE, not Edge?
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17:46:44 <b_jonas> ais523: uh yeah, it's probably actually Edge these days. I never specifically installed IE or Edge, it only comes up when I'm trying something from a machine other than my work laptop and it doesn't yet have firefox or chrome installed
17:47:47 <b_jonas> it's getting quite rare these days, we just have chromium installed even on production windows machines that aren't even supposed to run a browser during production
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18:05:22 <korvo> wwwww: I wonder whether this could be implemented as a Thue program or similar. The idea is that a general-purpose string-rewriter, if we feed it a special interpreter program, becomes a customized string-rewriter for your language and application.
18:05:54 <korvo> So you'd feed in your special interpreter, followed by your list of crafting recipes, and finally the user-level crafting program.
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