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< 1725161341 769733 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which file format can be used if I want a key/value database which is mostly reading and not writing, and the key and value are both sequences of bytes, and that if you find a specific record then you can easily find all records that have the same key as a prefix (and that you can also do so even if there is no such record for the requested key)?
< 1725161984 289623 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: the last property you talk about sounds like a B+ tree; I know there are database formats based on those
< 1725162037 36814 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if write performance is completely unimportant you could use a list of key/value pairs sorted by the key, and use binary search to find entries
< 1725162126 619836 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you're looking for more of a standard file format, SQLite should work, storing one table with an index on the key
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> 1725162405 205347 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PlusOrOutput14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137546&oldid=137544 5* 03None1 5* (+4570) 10/* Interpreters for both languages in JavaScript */
> 1725162900 706964 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Translated Shakespeare14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137547 5* 03None1 5* (+264) 10Created page with "You can translate using the wrong language to get wierd translations. --~~~~"
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> 1725163284 378494 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine with an iterating quine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137549 5* 03None1 5* (+594) 10Created page with "'''NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine with an iterating quine''' is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]].  It is [[NameErro
> 1725163436 450083 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137550&oldid=137260 5* 03None1 5* (+443) 10/* Error simulators */
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> 1725163751 920794 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07C@++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137554&oldid=133820 5* 03BoundedBeans 5* (+861) 10Made the language much more powerful/expressive with new commands
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< 1725165951 35483 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Write performance is not completely unimportant, but read performance is more important. I would also expect that when writes occur, several records will be written at once rather than one at a time (although one at a time is also possible, but less likely).
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< 1725166714 787729 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: if write preformance is *completely* unimportant then you should sort the whole table after each write and do some kind of binary search among sorted records for reading. but a writable B-tree isn't really much worse than that.
< 1725166768 632634 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think sqlite3 might work decently for what you want
< 1725166860 742184 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had considered the SQLite4 format, which is a real key/value database unlike SQLite3.
< 1725166877 70194 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well... it's not perfect, if you can have multiples of the key then it might not be the best format, or you need some kind of trick for it where you append a unique identifier column and make the two columns together the primary key, so that you can have just one table WITHOUT ROWID table, rather than a table and a separate index
< 1725166904 772837 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, is that possible?
< 1725166922 727169 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know
< 1725166952 52707 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if not then you have to put them in one single column where you artificially append something to your key to make it unique
< 1725167038 241290 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mind you, the separate index mostly just makes the write performance worse if you make that index contain all columns
< 1725167048 838392 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so even a normal table can work
< 1725167125 993280 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I guess just use a normal table with an index covering both the key and value columns, and don't make the key primary or unique since you want to allow it to repeat
< 1725167277 514015 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you want to find all records with a prefix then write a comparison like WHERE key BETWEEN ?1 AND ?2 but you bind ?2 to the same as ?1 incremented by 1 when interpreted as a big-endian number
< 1725167304 858829 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's as if WHERE key BETWEEN 'one' AND 'onf'
< 1725167316 80368 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :only you probably use blobs instead of strings
< 1725167443 169150 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, that would do, although SQL is more than is needed, I think, especially if it is merely a key/value database. I do understand what you mean and had thought of that too but it seems much more complicated than it should be.
< 1725167473 510905 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it certainly is, but you don't need to use all the features
< 1725167527 82057 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also make sure to read https://sqlite.org/howtocompile.html 
< 1725167570 895434 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a lot of optional features that you usually needn't compile into sqlite3 if you aren't like making debian with a thousand packages depending on sqlite3, and they now have good documentation describing these compile-time settings
< 1725167714 41644 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(you've probably read it already, but the documentation is kind of new so I want to mention it)
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> 1725170457 805740 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Foo : The term 'foo' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or operable program. Check the spelling of the name, or if a path was included, verify that the path is correct and try again.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137569&oldid=131324 5* 03None1 5* (+33) 10/* See also */
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> 1725170652 550381 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or operable program. Check the spelling of the name, or if a path was included, verify that the path is correct and try again.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137572&oldid=131489 5* 03None1 5* (-14) 10/* Examples */  no spaces
> 1725171188 438668 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wow owo14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137573 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+3332) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}} '''wow owo''' is a [[Cellular automaton]] created by [[User:Yayimhere]] while bored == cell types and interactions == cell types: * # copies itself in every direction(no diags). if 3 come in a  horizontal cluster walls form around them( 1725171989 561307 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137574&oldid=137456 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+14) 10
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      ..."
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> 1725177325 560179 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137605 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+813) 10Created page with "'''0x80070050''' or '''sorry this file exists'''(which is what this error code is for...for the file existing) is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] inspired by [[An Odd Rewriting System]]. it really just annoys you == memory == there are 3 memory things: *  1725177371 423368 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137606&oldid=137605 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+23) 10
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> 1725183721 730010 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137623&oldid=137622 5* 03Unname4798 5* (-28) 10
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> 1725184715 291955 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02Rt10]] to [[LX]] over redirect
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> 1725184769 216177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137630&oldid=137628 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-35) 10/* Hello, world! */
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> 1725186596 910061 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137631&oldid=137630 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+195) 10
> 1725188043 670727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:An Odd Rewriting System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137632&oldid=137612 5* 03Ais523 5* (+448) 10/* what was the limitation */ it's hard to explain simply, which is why I made an esolang to demonstrate it
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> 1725194617 526346 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137634&oldid=137590 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+179) 10/* I might ! need an English page for . */
> 1725194672 539274 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Page crapper from explain xkcd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137635&oldid=137548 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+178) 10
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> 1725195921 811010 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07/English version14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137636 5* 03None1 5* (+3029) 10Translate as the author requested
> 1725195960 46463 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137637&oldid=137634 5* 03None1 5* (+50) 10/* I might ! need an English page for . */
> 1725195968 667119 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137638&oldid=137637 5* 03None1 5* (+195) 10/* I might ! need an English page for . */
> 1725195996 643008 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137639&oldid=135178 5* 03None1 5* (+74) 10
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< 1725202994 888265 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do chemists use methanol for household cleaning, like cleaning the outsides of their mobile phones and rubik's cubes, or do they use it only for cleaning in their laboratory?
> 1725203120 96286 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03OllyBritton 5*  10New user account
> 1725203268 299807 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137640&oldid=137339 5* 03OllyBritton 5* (+216) 10
> 1725204317 141771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137641&oldid=137531 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+258) 10
> 1725204355 886077 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137642&oldid=137641 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (-5498) 10Replaced content with "hello  this is a wip  archives at [[/Archives|here]]"
> 1725204364 327770 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137643&oldid=137642 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+0) 10
> 1725204384 571573 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme/archives/july 31 to september 114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137644 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+5550) 10Created page with "{{User:Tommyaweosme/tabs}}  You can see block details at [https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tommyaweosme/blockedlist&action=raw User:Tommyaweosme/blockedlist].  meow  if youve got any questions, ask em here. 
> 1725204414 115779 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme/archives14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137645&oldid=134352 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (-161) 10
> 1725204443 624585 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme/archives14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137646&oldid=137645 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+0) 10
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> 1725204641 928735 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/common.css14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137648 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+14) 10Created page with "a{color:pink;}"
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> 1725204853 608128 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/common.css14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137649&oldid=137648 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+195) 10
< 1725204930 874677 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
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> 1725205216 293515 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137651&oldid=137638 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+491) 10/* i want everything to be pink */ new section
> 1725205291 917643 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137652&oldid=137615 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+240) 10
> 1725205374 240322 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/common.css14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137653&oldid=137650 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (-264) 10testing
> 1725205376 108538 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137654&oldid=137651 5* 03Ais523 5* (+328) 10/* i want everything to be pink */ !important
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> 1725205580 796762 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137657&oldid=137654 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+190) 10
> 1725205683 377924 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname4798/vector.css14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137658 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+62) 10Created page with "* {background-color:pink !important; color:purple !important;}"
< 1725205739 955848 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you think of this esolang? and also. what could the possible computational class be?:
< 1725205740 443524 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/0x80070050
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> 1725205760 531492 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/contentmodel14]]4 change10 02 5* 03Unname4798 5*  10Unname4798 changed the content model of the page [[02User talk:Unname4798/vector.css10]] from "wikitext" to "CSS"
> 1725205783 189746 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Unname4798 5*  10moved [[02User talk:Unname4798/vector.css10]] to [[User:Unname4798/vector.css]]
> 1725205844 119264 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Unname4798 5*  10moved [[02User:Unname4798/vector.css10]] to [[User talk:Unname4798/vector.css]] over redirect
> 1725205844 133606 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete_redir10 02 5* 03Unname4798 5*  10Unname4798 deleted redirect [[02User talk:Unname4798/vector.css10]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[User:Unname4798/vector.css]]"
> 1725205887 17046 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Undelta14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137664&oldid=137585 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+214) 10
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< 1725205941 40667 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: it's TC, it can implement Thue almost directly (the evaluation order is a little different but that doesn't matter); you just need to design the strings so that the replacements can never match in reverse
< 1725206048 582857 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725206052 104234 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx!
< 1725206065 982115 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it isn't IO-complete because it can't output anything that's smaller than the entire internal state, but IO isn't needed for TCness
< 1725206073 105206 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1725206084 463373 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wai
< 1725206087 686568 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*wait
< 1725206094 918022 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it couldnt anyway
< 1725206099 390059 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :since it has no in
< 1725206113 323072 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah right, isn't output-complete then
< 1725206119 782627 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1725206139 397237 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you think of the esolang?
> 1725206149 565424 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137666&oldid=137375 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+55) 10
< 1725206247 267844 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's basically a string-rewriting esolang with awkward syntax – I generally prefer less awkward syntax, but there are merits to doing it both ways round
< 1725206263 263585 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725206269 18890 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been thinking more about the esolang I created yesterday, and realised that it has both an easy-to-write syntax and a very minimal, tarpitty syntax
< 1725206273 722818 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think I might just make a page for both of htem
< 1725206286 360183 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what esolang?
< 1725206299 724692 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :word worm?
< 1725206321 312279 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, it's an arithmetic-based esolang
< 1725206330 868952 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1725206333 39493 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :link?
< 1725206333 641548 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :based on Blindfolded Arithmetic but I changed one of the rules and it makes TCness much harder to prove
< 1725206338 461401 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't written the page for it yet
< 1725206342 93274 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh k
< 1725206379 49387 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think many people think the wiki defines esolangs, but it actually mostly just documents them – esolangs can have an existence outside the wiki, and, e.g., there are plenty of golfing and puzzle languages that aren't written up there yet
< 1725206402 296048 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :occasionally I write someone else's language up to get a more comprehensive coverage of esolangs in the wiki, but not very often, and there are plenty of esolangs I don't know about
< 1725206418 271818 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i do sometimes
< 1725206424 357465 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :most of my esolangs only exists
< 1725206431 522278 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz the website it does
< 1725206437 749651 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I'll write an article now, though
< 1725206445 981967 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool
> 1725206632 850607 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Yayimhere 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Logo of sorry this file exists.jpg10]]"
> 1725206647 19673 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137668&oldid=137652 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+68) 10
< 1725206736 403493 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :without the redifintion rule of sorry this file exists would it be tc?
< 1725206750 433799 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz idk if i like it lol:)
< 1725206870 577121 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wow, that's tricky (assuming you mean that ⟪x∧y⟫ is only legal once per program) – my guess is no but I'm not sure
< 1725206882 730947 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1725206896 134809 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i mean that ⟪x∧y⟫ is legal multiple times
< 1725206897 645970 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BUT
< 1725206899 241587 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now
< 1725206909 417927 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :rules are always updated with a and b
< 1725206921 481283 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but idk which one i should choose
< 1725206954 70444 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think ill choose your idea tho
< 1725206958 758960 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :credit??
< 1725206972 817461 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's only a small idea, you can credit me if you want to but don't have to
< 1725206979 503337 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1725206987 918933 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i like to give credit tho
< 1725206992 196729 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you sort-of created it yourself by mistake, by saying something I interpreted as that
< 1725207006 587772 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725207019 647766 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wonder if any esolangs has happend kinda like that?
> 1725207050 556934 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137669&oldid=137668 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-126) 10
> 1725207061 193265 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137670&oldid=137669 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1) 10
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< 1725207110 842873 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no prob with leave
> 1725207315 317538 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sorry this file exists14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137671 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+24) 10Redirected page to [[0x80070050]]
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> 1725207748 441567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137672&oldid=136083 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+46) 10/* 0815 */
> 1725208008 667942 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Imprecision14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137673 5* 03Ais523 5* (+4428) 10new language!
< 1725208036 48701 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: ^ there's my new language
> 1725208064 592128 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137674&oldid=137594 5* 03Ais523 5* (+18) 10/* I */ + [[Imprecision]]
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> 1725208093 583380 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137675&oldid=135719 5* 03Ais523 5* (+17) 10+ [[Imprecision]]
< 1725208123 502182 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :“I think many people think the wiki defines esolangs, but it actually mostly just documents them” => true, I most often document esolangs that already exist on the wiki
< 1725208129 542299 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/on/onto/
< 1725208153 640953 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut
< 1725208171 426043 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool ais523
< 1725208200 461339 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: depending on what you mean, maybe: I created https://esolangs.org/wiki/Amycus by mistake 
< 1725208233 728926 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725208242 960286 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was pre''y much what i meant
< 1725208259 868535 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in that case I got a more esoteric and less useful language
< 1725208283 900229 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's still interesting enough that I kept it
< 1725208295 473557 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725208504 887613 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Imprecision#Computational_class => hmm, that's an interesting argument, I'll have to think of whether that actually works with just the operations that you have
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< 1725208855 598060 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my current tentative plan is "implement a 2-counter Minsky machine that only simulates multiplications and divisions by 2 and 3 (to get predictable behaviour of the counters), quantize the state variables sharply enough that the error term drops rapidly enough to converge if they aren't being perturbed much by reading the counters, ensure error from the counters themselves is no greater than 1 over the square of their value so that converge stoo"
< 1725208865 926929 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I don't know whether or not that actually works
< 1725208895 680720 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was very confusing. maybe im read to fast
< 1725208896 945246 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you would need to "reset" the error in the counters as they got near 0, but it's possible to create a quantizer that only works near 0 but doesn't disturb the value of large values very much
< 1725208897 561587 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*i
< 1725208929 823028 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also where does the name come from?
< 1725208935 637145 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: so you'd store information like your state and stack as integers, kept in the round to nearest integers parts of your variables. then in each round, you'd compute a number C that is easily an upper bound on the magnitudes of all numbers involved. then you'd write something like y = 1/(x*x*C+1), and now if x is zero then y=1, but if x is nonzero then y is close enough to zero that you can use it 
< 1725208941 656597 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in control flow by multiplying y with some almost integer and adding it to another almost integer. and you make sure that C is so large that even if you do such conditionals a few times per round (you know how long your program is) the round to nearest values are always the correct exact values that you want to simulate.
< 1725208986 593781 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: frrom my thoughts about computational class – it's very unusual to have a language that looks inherently capable of storing exact numbers, but chooses to use approximations instead
< 1725208990 686806 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and this could simulate a computation on integers that is similar to something you do in Blindfolded arithmetic
< 1725209022 337402 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 lol
< 1725209023 617509 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: right, that's the general principle
< 1725209055 462216 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's the slight problem that this only lets you equal-compare integers, not less-than compare them, but fortunately our constructions to compile to blindfolded arithmetic are such that we can get away with just equal comparisons
< 1725209077 98075 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Minsky machines only use equal-compares anyway
< 1725209078 866698 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, we will also have to be able to compute integer remainders for the blindfolded arithmetic thing
< 1725209091 693465 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :integer reminders with some fixed divisors at least
< 1725209104 402227 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I think you can avoid that if you do a somewhat more complicated construction
< 1725209106 537608 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have a question
< 1725209110 792990 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :would a minsk
< 1725209112 127168 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wasn't going to go via BA, just implement Minsky machines directly
< 1725209113 829563 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :machine
< 1725209116 939324 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one that reads the top digit instead of the bottom digit
< 1725209123 882377 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that jumps when the register is NON zero
< 1725209130 216271 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :be turing complete
< 1725209131 968235 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yeah, that would be enough for TC but I don't like it if we can avoid it
< 1725209142 563184 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :still decrementing
< 1725209151 979122 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: it's still Turing-complete, you just have to reorganise the program
< 1725209160 667308 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx
< 1725209166 230963 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the original version of Minsky machines was "jumps somewhere if zero, jumps somewhere else if nonzero"
< 1725209182 245034 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i didnt know that!
< 1725209199 227381 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if only one of the cases jumps, you can make yourself an unconditional jump afterwards (either using an unconditional jump instruction, or a conditional jump where you already know the input) in order to make the other case jump too
< 1725209215 172628 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, this needs more taught. Imprecision turned out to be a more interesting language than I assumed yesterday when you mentioned it
< 1725209223 463104 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also isnt this program:
< 1725209223 963328 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :10 ...
< 1725209224 462933 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :20 comefrom 10
< 1725209224 963453 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the same as:
< 1725209225 463370 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :10 goto 20
< 1725209225 962618 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :20 ...
< 1725209254 677431 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sort of – it gets complicated when you have multiple gotos or comefroms aiming at the same line
< 1725209271 905154 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or if the argument to goto/comefrom is a variable or expression rather than a constant
< 1725209278 666870 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but in the simple case it's equivalent
< 1725209278 679370 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725209284 907732 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1725209295 103535 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then why is comefrom worse than goto????
< 1725209328 824632 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because to most programmers, not knowing where the code could be jumped to is less confusing than not knowing where the code could be jumped from
< 1725209335 583455 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because it goes against the flow of the program which we usually follow when reading code
< 1725209351 321279 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1725209355 527201 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :goto is also confusing if the goto destinations aren't labelled (e.g. if every line is numbered, like in BASIC)
< 1725209368 391551 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1725209372 786498 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also
< 1725209373 182571 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, in practice, most programmers tend to label both ends of the jump and so it doesn't matter
< 1725209375 302792 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :backwards sentence a writing like is it
< 1725209384 700201 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wouldnt it be funny if j in malbogle was a comefrom
< 1725209409 80259 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so malbolge uses computed jumps, and the program memory is mixed in with the data memory
< 1725209423 639034 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ik
< 1725209444 876667 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :meaning that if the data you were storing randomly happened to be a comefrom instruction you would end up having to comefrom multiple places as soon as the computation produced the correct value
< 1725209458 556712 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725209459 19998 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*comefrom the current location to multiple places
< 1725209465 329166 :bookworms!~bookworms@user/bookworms QUIT :Quit: I give the F*%k up! Have a nice day!
< 1725209467 2215 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would be very annoying
< 1725209483 733995 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i will add that to my malbolge derevative
< 1725209490 108137 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the sad thing is that I'm not even sure that this isn't TC (if you use one of the Malbolge generalisations to infinite memory)
< 1725209498 119386 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725209539 189842 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :afaiu in some APL-likes, including very early versions of J, the main control flow mechanism to jump between entire statements was a goto (represented by a right arrow) that takes a line number, and jumps there if it's a line number or continues to the next line if it's... an empty array? or zero? there were no structured if/while statements yet. so now I'm imagining the same but with computed come 
< 1725209545 193124 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :froms that are conditional in the same way, they don't come from anywhere if the label is empty or invalid or zero
< 1725209561 227103 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: doesn't INTERCAL work like that?
< 1725209564 286888 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :note that in APL this used actual line counts, not labels, so you'd have to edit the numbers if you renumbered lines
< 1725209574 669919 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :0 isn't a valid line number there, and making COME FROM expressions evaluate to 0 when you don't want to jump is convenient
< 1725209591 172324 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1725209605 200901 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I thought that "actual line count" was an esolang invention the first time I saw it, and was very impressed at the idea (I have subsequently discovered that I was wrong in ths)
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< 1725209622 277019 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this may be a side effect of BASIC being my first programming language – I think I was about 6 at the time
< 1725209636 25182 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, INTERCAL works like that, but wWwwW just reminded me that other languages can have come from as well. which I had considered earlier for languages like C, python, ruby (only non-computed in C) but not yet for APL
< 1725209642 681582 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I assumed that written line numbers and RENUMBER were just normal in languages that used line numbers
< 1725209652 430274 :user3456!user3456@user/user3456 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1725209664 688413 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: your Python control flow nonsense reminds me of C setjmp, it's pretty similar
< 1725209670 317020 :user3456_!user3456@user/user3456 NICK :user3456
< 1725209684 565388 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm what happened to aspect-oriented programming :)
< 1725209696 720057 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf is that
< 1725209697 512585 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that has some "come from" flavor to it)
< 1725209721 102390 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I think they were normal in APL too, but the line numbers were used in the *editor* that you can use on a printer tty without a CRT, so the line number of a line are stable even if you insert or delete lines until you renumber by saving then reloading the currently edited list of lines
> 1725209721 736057 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Huit14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137676&oldid=136641 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+105) 10
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< 1725209789 814057 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I swear I said that before reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect-oriented_programming#Criticism
< 1725209801 856545 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: setjmp differs in that you have to actually run a statement to get a label value there, you can't jump to somewhere that the control flow hasn't visited yet. you can get around this by writing your function as a big switch statement using a state variable, but that's annoying. here I can just put labels anywhere and you can jump to them as soon as you have the stack frame.
< 1725209810 322406 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I was just about to link you to that
< 1725209831 585214 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: C-INTERCAL uses the "big switch" approach to compile COME FROM
< 1725209850 516982 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least in some of the complex cases; I can't remember whether it optimizes the simple case into a goto
< 1725209865 444891 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: note that https://esolangs.org/wiki/W_(Viktor_T._Toth) combines these: it uses the setjmp-like thing where you save the instruction pointer at runtime for backwards jumps, and structured if statements for forwards jumps. (except it also has function calls and even computed function calls)
< 1725209873 907390 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I see "entering a scope" as comparable to "running a command"
< 1725209878 538381 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and W does allow you to goto a computed value
> 1725209880 593040 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Huit interpreter14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137677 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+2978) 10Created the article
< 1725209935 196852 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did like the Threaded INTERCAL take on coming from the same location multiple times.
< 1725209948 746671 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is the obvious solution, I think
< 1725209960 667761 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I didn't invent Threaded INTERCAL, but was the second person to write an interpreter for it)
< 1725209966 565391 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, compiler, not interpreter
< 1725209971 853050 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, yes, but sometimes the obvious thing is also nice. :)
< 1725209976 523899 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although the compilation is somewhat close to the "bundle an interpreter" method of compiling
< 1725210050 242153 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Plus there's the fact that INTERCAL is one of the earliest esolangs. So even obvious things had a good chance of being novel.
< 1725210076 294158 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1725210084 143264 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :isnt it THE first one?
< 1725210085 567468 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't remember when COME FROM was added to INTERCAL
< 1725210097 974633 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think
< 1725210098 5178 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :both INTERCAL and COME FROM are old, but the idea of combining them is more recent
< 1725210104 534208 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was in the C dialect
< 1725210111 368989 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but idk
< 1725210117 357733 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_esoteric_programming_languages
< 1725210120 203954 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like C-INTERCAL
< 1725210146 628441 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was C-INTERCAL I think, but not sure what date
< 1725210157 696057 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 they werent made to be esolangs
< 1725210163 653345 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :intercal was
< 1725210179 460941 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the article I linked mentions that it's hard to define whether a language is an esolang, if it was invented before there was a concept of what a normal programming language looks like
< 1725210217 605429 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BF was almost invented in 1964, though (P′′ is a slightly minimized version of it)
< 1725210221 870902 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Game of Life is a proper esolang.
< 1725210226 844475 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1725210274 720027 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh I didn't realize how close the inceptions of GoL and INTERCAL are. But GoL wins.
< 1725210320 767 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure when they proved it TC though?
< 1725210332 932542 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :intercal is TC
< 1725210339 402416 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: it took a while I think
< 1725210339 899694 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean GoL
< 1725210349 881788 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1725210351 815642 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then idk
< 1725210356 780286 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk what GoL is
< 1725210359 674686 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, INTERCAL is obviously TC to someone who understands the subject, and IIRC one of the authors said as much
< 1725210362 241445 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and i cant find it online
< 1725210365 985028 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Conway's Game of Life
< 1725210373 217314 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that it naturally ended up TC and they didn't need to do anything to make it TC
< 1725210374 394918 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1725210383 472624 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :GoL is TC
< 1725210415 248014 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have put some thought into game-of-life golf – finding a set of primitives that let you write powerful programs in relatively small area
< 1725210426 239407 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :omg
< 1725210430 581082 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :GoL golfing
< 1725210440 39415 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :INTERCAL TC... oh right it has stacks.
< 1725210447 490745 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had an idea of using beams of spaceships and gliders that made gaps in each other, that can be quite compact and might be workable into something TC
< 1725210448 379757 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The arrays only provide finite memory)
< 1725210460 285030 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: it's actually TC even without variables at all, but I did that one intentionally
< 1725210469 793170 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :GoL assembly lang??? perhaps?????
< 1725210476 49632 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was the first time I almost discovered The Waterfall Model, oddly enough
< 1725210512 538140 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :some of the best esolang ideas come up time and time again in lots of different contexts, but if you've never seen the pattern before it can be hard to notice
< 1725210525 173402 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn
< 1725210526 948996 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well
< 1725210530 944014 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :interestijg
< 1725210549 81026 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also
< 1725210565 582182 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does the exist any computational models, that are well...
< 1725210606 841837 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :usefull???
< 1725210625 760218 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :computational models are useful if you're studying computation
< 1725210637 704924 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like usefull
< 1725210642 186882 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to create programs
< 1725210643 995276 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like idk
< 1725210659 307264 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and any nontrivial/optimising compiler will need some computational model for representing the programs it's compiling
< 1725210667 214226 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although normally it's more complicated than the ones you'll find on the wiki
< 1725210682 164955 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1725210683 220169 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1725210689 337776 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :most of them aren't intended for writing in directly, but rather for compiling into
< 1725210691 39147 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random-access_machine is probably more boring than you want
< 1725210705 287271 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh right, that model
< 1725210708 598754 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree that it's both useful and boring
< 1725210723 851472 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725210726 240338 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is
< 1725210727 442228 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
> 1725210790 123000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137678&oldid=137670 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10Category
> 1725210792 997865 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category talk:Unimplemented14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137679&oldid=34020 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+36) 10
< 1725210802 880117 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it turns out that people don't enjoy implementing random access memory on Turing machines)
< 1725210872 320526 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, should I tell PSDW to stop adding "Category:Languages" without adding the other categories at the same time?
< 1725210884 717645 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :na
< 1725210889 721935 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don think so
< 1725210891 22128 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it just makes it harder to find uncategorized pages because they don't show up on the list of uncategorized pages any more
< 1725210895 146211 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in my opinion
< 1725210896 734437 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725210903 281652 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually
< 1725210921 233566 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe uncategorized could include ones with only lang?
< 1725210949 13815 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would be a good idea, but unfortunately the definition of "uncategorized" isn't very easy to change
< 1725210957 277731 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
> 1725211000 953216 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sdac214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137680&oldid=137604 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+88) 10Lowercase, categories
> 1725211031 763379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137681&oldid=137678 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+155) 10
< 1725211154 66613 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1725211170 123296 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSxW2jHS87g recently, in which Marc tells how the US helped the rocket engineer Von Braun move to the US around 1945, but the President didn't trust him for a while, so he wasn't allowed to participate in actual spaceflight research until the 1960s. So that and Böhm's prediscovery of brainfuck reminded me of a joke that I read somewhere and I'll retell in 
< 1725211176 123768 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a modified form here.
> 1725211180 460383 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LX14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137682&oldid=137631 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+62) 10Categories
< 1725211337 974096 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The joke plays in the 1950s, when the US tries to make rockets for spaceflight, but the rockets keep failing and the whole things costs a lot of money. The scientists recommend hiring Von Braun, but the President does not approve that. So instead they hire a spirit medium to summon the spirit of Ciolkovski. Ciolkovski takes one look at the rocket designs presented to him, then says "why do you need a 
< 1725211344 48900 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hundred scientists working on this, when I have already published a good design for the entire space rocket in my 1929 article?" A few years later, they summon the spiriti of Ciolkovski again. "Professor Ciolkovski, we built the rocket following your instructions in the 1929 article, but it exploded at launch." "Ah yes, that is the explosion problem that I solve in my 1931 article."
< 1725211371 69606 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I usually think of Gauss like this but for mathematics problems.
> 1725211397 531722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137683&oldid=137666 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+159) 10
> 1725211399 877311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Undelta14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137684&oldid=137664 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+67) 10Categories
> 1725211520 519958 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137685&oldid=137681 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-19) 10
> 1725211521 363241 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wow owo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137686&oldid=137573 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+94) 10Categories
< 1725211580 398136 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Marc explains in the video that the rocket exploded because of a short between two diodes, since back then they didn't have the material technology for all the cheap plastic insulators that we use today. So after that, everything that the NASA built that went into the rocket was either properly capped with an insulator, or the whole circuit board and components on it were embedded in epoxy so that 
< 1725211586 392494 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :components can't move. I don't know if that's the same explosion problem that Ciolkovski had solved in the joke though.
> 1725211616 549887 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wow owo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137687&oldid=137686 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+2) 10/* examples */
< 1725211641 124174 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :don't take "epoxy" in the strict sense above, I don't know what insulating filler material they used\
> 1725211794 855441 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kcidea14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137688&oldid=137535 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+87) 10Stub, categories
< 1725211833 183965 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn
< 1725211843 310212 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PDW is rlly active rn
< 1725211929 178540 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :only Ciolkovski is better because he actually wrote the articles, while Gauss just solved the problems and wrote down very little
< 1725211945 547427 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725211960 810788 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I discovered recently that Gauss invented the Fast Fourier Transform algorithm, but nobody noticed until after it had already been rediscovered by modern mathematicians
< 1725211978 489951 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaaaaa
< 1725211985 260671 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i cant get dis stupid idea of my head
< 1725211994 891589 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a esolang idea
< 1725212007 962408 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like
< 1725212019 602894 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a consistency checking esolang
> 1725212049 684169 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blast protection14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137689&oldid=136978 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+59) 10Categories
> 1725212061 253502 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Imprecision14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137690&oldid=137673 5* 03Ais523 5* (+0) 10/* Specification */ move a sentence to a more sensible place
> 1725212137 918974 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Analogia14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137691&oldid=137440 5* 03Ais523 5* (+35) 10see also
> 1725212157 687783 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOP (esolang)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137692&oldid=115850 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+62) 10/* More elaborate Python interpreter, but unfortunately it is incompatible with other languages */
> 1725212161 127125 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blindfolded Arithmetic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137693&oldid=134825 5* 03Ais523 5* (+18) 10/* See also */ +[[Imprecision]]
< 1725212279 167456 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :everbody gettin active
< 1725212290 562157 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but is my esolang idea a good one
< 1725212303 278823 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not entirely sure what you mean by consistency checking
< 1725212318 290225 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1725212332 30289 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like you know how some systems are inconsistent?
< 1725212346 66932 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :could you makea. esolang with some operations and data types n' stuff
< 1725212354 613880 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to make it easy to check?
< 1725212376 355136 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it will depend on the exact meaning of "inconsistent" that you're using
> 1725212381 395225 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137694&oldid=137685 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+55) 10
< 1725212383 774538 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is hard to objectively define
< 1725212401 200745 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like. isnt it without paradoxes?
< 1725212405 424979 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i cant remember
< 1725212446 853956 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just the way in dis yt vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeQX2HjkcNo
< 1725212452 642984 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure you can take the concept from formal logic
< 1725212464 387591 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, oh dear
< 1725212465 921538 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but not like
< 1725212466 541913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but how do you make a language around this that is interesting?
< 1725212477 823377 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :booleans
< 1725212492 765944 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the problem here is that for a language X to be able to prove a language Y consistent, X must be *more* powerful than Y, not just equally powerful
< 1725212496 241477 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i want something where you apply operqators to a language(idk how you would store that)
< 1725212508 428607 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless X is inconsistent, in which case it can typically prove a lot of false statements so the proofs aren't interesting
< 1725212513 904385 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the "fundamental flaw" framing still upsets me beyond reason
< 1725212531 94984 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And I've never watched the video because of that.
< 1725212531 239778 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 ik. thats why maybe it would only be for FSA's
< 1725212540 868335 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so your esolang will need to be more powerful than the languages it's operating on, and it's hard to do that while remaining computable (but this isn't really interesting if the language can't be implemented)
< 1725212552 625044 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1725212555 497747 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also
< 1725212569 785123 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Plus being well too familiar with Gödel's theorems and related ones by Rosser and Tarski and Kleene and I forgot who else already)
< 1725212572 591970 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like all turing complete esolangs cant be implemented(but still yea)
< 1725212586 963266 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1725212601 872835 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1725212632 178007 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like not constructing theorems as a esolang
< 1725212639 254704 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but like apply dis and dis operaotr
< 1725212643 813579 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :until you get a bool
< 1725212646 383915 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :somehow
< 1725212647 756084 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk'
< 1725212682 461850 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you simpify too much you probably end up in the vicinity of SAT and SMT solvers.
< 1725212705 420995 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :an esoteric SAT solver would be fun, although arguably the existing SAT solvers are esoteric already
< 1725212710 870534 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is a SAT and SMT solver??????
< 1725212722 117156 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/and/or/
< 1725212722 640761 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually, violin already exists, sort of
< 1725212729 255071 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1725212737 158037 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :SAT is "(boolean) satisfiability"
< 1725212741 586723 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but still
< 1725212746 136137 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's in a repository and might even build if you somehow manage to figure out the right sequence of commands
< 1725212750 358854 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how would you do that
< 1725212754 462094 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :convert a lang to a bool
< 1725212757 926818 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and do it correctly
< 1725212774 396614 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :SMT is "satisfiability modulo theories"; I /could/ explain more I suppose but Wikipedia probably does a better job without any effort on my part :P
> 1725212794 563814 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope. with no quine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137695 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+316) 10Created page with "'''Nope. with no quine''' is an esolang created by [[User:Ractangle]] based on those "None. without a quine" esolangs. it's basicly [[Nope.]] with no quine. So that basicly means:  if you put "None." to the input. The interpriter will print:   and if you pu
< 1725212796 399293 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also all inconstent things are not TC right?
< 1725212810 336219 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(violin is specialised for INTERCAL reverse assignments, like .1 $ .2 <- #12345, and works out what values to assign to the variables to make them work even if the same variable is used twice)
< 1725212824 315667 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1725212824 553414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :inconsistent theories have no models, so are they "things" at all :P
< 1725212837 402965 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does what im saying even make sense?
< 1725212854 890130 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, arguably an inconsistent theory resolves everything that's implied by a contradiction to bottom, so it's the equivalent of a language where none of those programs halt
< 1725212865 804249 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I think it's an "idea" but it's pretty vague.
< 1725212871 756237 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725212873 817801 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am not sure if it's possible to still be TC despite that, if it doesn't have the law of excluded middle or the like
< 1725212883 326623 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well
< 1725212887 538061 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that some things can be meaningfully true or false despite the inconsistency
< 1725212895 63701 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :CA's don halt
< 1725212925 11991 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, but you can define a way to observe the equivalent of a halt
< 1725212931 882038 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725212935 40910 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. in a CA you can define a halt as being an exact repeat of a previous state
< 1725212941 746206 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but cant you do that for something that doesnt halt?????
< 1725212943 404322 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've never made an esolang because fleshing out ideas is hard. It's easier *within* a framework so I've analyzed a few of the existing ones.
< 1725212967 650190 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i will start working on dis
< 1725212977 158216 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: yes – the exact definition of halting becomes somewhat subjective when dealing with weak versions of Turing-completeness in which you're allowed to change the halt condition
< 1725212990 664293 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1725212996 519814 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so kinda
< 1725213014 42765 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :either some inconsitent systems are TC or GoL is not TC ig????
< 1725213038 198016 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :weak Turing-completeness isn't very easy to define precisely and the definition is still debated
< 1725213049 865411 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :GoL is TC but in what sense would it be consistent or inconsistent?
> 1725213051 618630 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope. with no quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137696&oldid=137695 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+133) 10
< 1725213063 478073 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not a logical system in any obvious way.
< 1725213077 772674 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow this went of the rails o_o
< 1725213084 728097 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e yea
< 1725213088 297908 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: conceptually, isn't that because it's untyped?
< 1725213099 257835 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can send a spaceship at an interface that's expecting a glider and *something* happens
< 1725213105 751354 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just not necessarily what you intended
< 1725213108 833373 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725213113 271265 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ig
< 1725213117 773055 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow dis is confusing
> 1725213123 922162 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137697&oldid=137633 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+26) 10/* Esolangs */
< 1725213124 330767 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf even does logic MEAN??????
< 1725213128 368395 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :meanwhile, untyped lambda calculus is TC, but is inconsistent if you try to interpret it as a proof system
< 1725213144 263902 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It doesnt mean algebra since how tf is GoL algebra????
< 1725213144 450856 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: sure there's an emergent level of abstraction where you have a type system of sorts
< 1725213149 370999 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd call it non-obvious
< 1725213154 243899 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats gor sure
< 1725213157 292764 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*for
< 1725213198 448702 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wow, I just realised something that might be completely wrong, or even meaningless – but in the Curry-Howard correspondence, aren't consistent systems necessarily total, and the ones that can write infinite loops the ones that can prove false?
< 1725213204 101768 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1725213211 308187 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just found out somethin(i think)
< 1725213222 39813 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so in a sense, it's *only* the inconsistent systems that are TC, none of the consistent ones
< 1725213224 839076 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i made dis stubid esolang : https://esolangs.org/wiki/Not
< 1725213233 556437 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :heres the thing i found out:
< 1725213249 35889 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :either not is more powerfull than a PDA
< 1725213260 957455 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or a PDA can make the program on the black page
< 1725213262 177615 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Sounds mostly correct to me. There's the codata trick though.
< 1725213264 633565 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think??????
< 1725213281 431742 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: not is indeed more powerful than a PDA in some respects, but less powerful in other respects
< 1725213292 131085 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725213294 30203 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but like
< 1725213296 857115 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :codata Result a = Result a | Step (Result a)
< 1725213302 331993 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in a *full respect*
< 1725213303 499291 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine what happens to the stack after you do 1#1[1+==#N] (this is your example program with an extra =)
< 1725213317 669074 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the resulting state of the stack is something that a PDA can't even express, it is two-dimensional
< 1725213323 609301 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn
< 1725213325 699534 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :holeee
< 1725213336 787447 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :with a type like that you can split your computation into a sequence of steps that each terminate
< 1725213339 247906 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, the language can't do some things that PDAs can do easily, like read memory in a way that affects control flow
< 1725213350 578858 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725213368 809738 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but like
< 1725213369 191728 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: one of my first esolangs was like that, [[e:Wiki Cyclic Tag]]
< 1725213377 521444 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki_Cyclic_Tag
< 1725213382 225678 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf even is it
< 1725213387 337761 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess this corresponds to Kleene's normal form (one outer fixed point/minimization/while loop)
< 1725213389 635543 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf is not??????
< 1725213402 701397 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MediaWIki doesn't support infinite loops, so you have to manually rerun the next loop of the program
< 1725213411 574100 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725213416 391954 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but thats allowed
< 1725213421 449207 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think
< 1725213423 81232 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz like
< 1725213430 345300 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :people consider html and css TC
< 1725213435 368807 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it need user input forever
> 1725213439 342495 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope. with no quine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137698&oldid=137696 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+87) 10Categories
< 1725213443 67741 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: languages don't have to be in the main computational classes – it's normally very simple languages that aren't, because they don't have enough power for their operations to substitute for each other, so adding new operations gives new powers
< 1725213457 655610 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725213487 258150 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wonder what a not comp calss would look like lol :]
< 1725213493 482771 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :think about HQ9+, it has effectively no computational power at all – but if it did, then the HQ9+ commands would be redundant
< 1725213502 414471 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
> 1725213505 130077 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope. without a quine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137699&oldid=136324 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+46) 10Distinguish confusion
< 1725213513 388253 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but because it isn't, each command is contributing to the language in it s own very limited way, so it is in a computational class of HQ9+-alikes
> 1725213518 341897 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope. with no quine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137700&oldid=137698 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+48) 10Distinguish confusion
< 1725213536 841312 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it is hard to create another language in this class without creating essentially the same language but with different syntax
> 1725213548 324428 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Not14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137701&oldid=135881 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+20) 10
< 1725213556 438747 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725213613 538420 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaaaa my brain is breakin
< 1725213629 342165 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also i wonder if Not has any paradoxe:)
> 1725213658 571843 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:S14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137702 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+17) 10Created page with "{{{1}}}"
< 1725213697 227583 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf wtf
< 1725213702 60101 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im so confused
> 1725213705 27254 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:S14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137703&oldid=137702 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10
< 1725213732 591233 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but its for sure in a *full* perspective not is less powerfull than a PDA
< 1725213761 414385 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :computational power isn't a straight line
< 1725213772 191087 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we say language X is more powerful than language Y if X can do everything Y can do, and more
< 1725213782 430913 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725213784 235670 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also
< 1725213784 562670 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but sometimes, there are two languages, and each can do things that the other can't
< 1725213801 59207 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what if the only thing x can do thaty y cant is a no-op
< 1725213807 514448 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :something non important
< 1725213812 803398 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also ive found a way to cheat
< 1725213816 139011 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's still a power difference, and possibly an interesting one
< 1725213834 505377 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can just count the number of 1's in a not string as a symbol in a PDA
< 1725213834 709330 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :writing a language that can't do a nop is hard unless you're doing something like enforcing output
< 1725213848 30305 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, except a PDA can't have infinitely many symbols
< 1725213859 997136 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait wut
< 1725213860 812703 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that specifically is the thing that gives Not the extra power
< 1725213864 384779 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why?????
< 1725213898 220847 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because PDAs are normally defined in terms of a lookup table: "when there's an X on top of the stack, and a Y on the input, and you're in state Z, do «thing»"
< 1725213911 719735 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if you had infinitely many symbols you'd need an infinitely big program
< 1725213918 961628 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea
< 1725213928 825970 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaaa dis is kinda hard
> 1725213932 768005 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Old Branjunk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137704&oldid=135725 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+244) 10
> 1725213942 634308 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Old Branjunk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137705&oldid=137704 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-8) 10
< 1725213957 264535 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why is it?????
< 1725213964 385582 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaaaaa im annoying myself
< 1725213975 217809 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i didnt know not could confuse me so much'
< 1725213975 600610 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, here's an example: if Not had input, you could write a program that input a string, then printed it twice
< 1725213976 761398 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
> 1725213976 933680 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Branjunk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137706&oldid=137217 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+28) 10/* See also */
< 1725213978 182607 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can't do that with a PDA
< 1725213981 951798 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: take a break. get some fresh air. :)
< 1725213989 458252 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i cant
< 1725213992 280555 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its to late lol
< 1725214007 78931 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
> 1725214015 733689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Old Branjunk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137707&oldid=137705 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+30) 10
< 1725214029 295492 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is dis allowed in a pda?:
< 1725214029 796510 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for all symbol and state Y do «thing»
< 1725214034 128130 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :since then
< 1725214041 779415 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :since Not has no conditional
< 1725214046 520128 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this would work
< 1725214071 699421 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's sort-of allowed, but the «thing» wouldn't be able to follow an infinite pattern
< 1725214078 633289 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :otherwise you get more power than a PDA is normally allowed to have
> 1725214081 358231 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137708&oldid=137697 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+55) 10/* Esolangs */
> 1725214095 705182 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137709&oldid=137708 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+13) 10/* Esolangs */
< 1725214111 2713 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so no infinite loops???
< 1725214124 280098 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can have an infinite loop, you just need to stay in a known state
< 1725214132 150347 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :HA
< 1725214142 710032 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"when there's a 1 on top of the stack and you're in state 1, stay in state 1 and leave the 1 on top of the stack", that sort of thing
< 1725214143 293869 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then Not is representable in a PDA
< 1725214148 668897 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless im wrong in some way
< 1725214153 812464 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, a PDA cannot do the concatenation
< 1725214158 438132 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1725214163 546222 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if you have infit e symbols
< 1725214168 437109 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to represnt the ones
< 1725214171 435562 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you just say
< 1725214173 488697 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then the concatenation would be an infinite pattern
< 1725214181 462101 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is not allowed
< 1725214184 339354 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait f--
< 1725214187 59711 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaaaaaa
< 1725214191 558828 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whyyyyyyyyyy
< 1725214207 80459 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :computational classes are defined more by what they can't do, than by what they can
< 1725214216 347708 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725214227 689928 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol i think i find this to funny
< 1725214238 640639 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is why the https://esolangs.org/wiki/Looping_counter test is useful, if a language can do that it proves that it isn't just a PDA or LBA
< 1725214250 441596 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :LBA?
< 1725214272 609776 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might have a unique or unusual computational class, especially if it's simple or defined based on a list of examples, but if that seems unlikely it raises the chance it's TC
< 1725214277 779412 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :LBA = "linear-bounded automaton"
< 1725214282 166872 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Little Big Adventure, scnr
< 1725214284 618999 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea
< 1725214291 759003 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Linear_bounded_automaton
> 1725214303 952215 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Old Branjunk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137710&oldid=137707 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+98) 10
< 1725214304 264182 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :What else... Linear Block Adressing
< 1725214311 648993 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my favourite example is https://esolangs.org/wiki/BuzzFizz which was intentionally designed as one
< 1725214320 454362 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so its somewhere between a LBA and a TM
< 1725214328 793431 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 i like the name
< 1725214334 692040 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it can do most of the popular problems, but not looping counters because an LBA can't do that one
< 1725214347 99952 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its incredible
< 1725214353 623395 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how much the esolang comunity has proove
< 1725214366 834559 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like if you want to choose something just get some esolang guys interested in it
< 1725214383 892170 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*proove or disproove something
< 1725214388 271244 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ul
< 1725214390 728919 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's been a lot of people over a lot of years, and some of us have a lot of practice
> 1725214396 166565 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Imprecision14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137711&oldid=137690 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+168) 10Add interpreter
< 1725214402 687848 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unlike me
< 1725214402 992195 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: fungot isn't here
< 1725214407 502891 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1725214436 252967 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait wtf û looks like a pencil
< 1725214438 88147 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway
< 1725214441 731219 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not in mono
< 1725214456 279059 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :WHAT ARE YOU not
< 1725214465 286331 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the name is like a metaphor
< 1725214469 759796 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh good, I was procrastinating on writing an Imprecision interpreter and someone wrote one already
< 1725214471 740854 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but unintentioal
< 1725214481 629914 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or however you speel it
< 1725214501 631596 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"im *not* going to be normal" or something like dat
< 1725214590 65073 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaaaaa
< 1725214600 460012 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how the hell is not destroying me
< 1725214602 488951 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like dis
< 1725214666 404317 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a f- it
< 1725214680 215177 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im just going to keep on going
< 1725214725 28799 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bbchallenge has spent a while trying to do something that has been proven impossible to continue indefinitely, to see how far they get
< 1725214741 200150 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut
< 1725214745 676865 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bbchallenge?
< 1725214749 231743 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut is dat?
> 1725214764 313791 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Looping counter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137712&oldid=136507 5* 03Int-e 5* (+74) 10add Unlambda
< 1725214791 609994 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: they are working through all Turing machines in the order of simplest to most complicated, trying to work out which ones halt and which ones don't
< 1725214791 915757 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :busy beaver challenge I suppose
< 1725214819 732861 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is known that at some point, we will reach a Turing machine that doesn't halt, but this is impossible to prove
< 1725214824 961837 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but not where
< 1725214833 911021 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725214837 982957 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why???
< 1725214850 450857 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it is also possible that we will reach a Turing machine that does halt, but we can't prove it and can't simulate it for long enough to observe it halting)
< 1725214860 703311 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :can we blame this on Chaitin ;-)
< 1725214877 269855 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"we" here is general, I hardly did anything
< 1725214887 162022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a facet of the halting problem being undecidable
> 1725214900 598283 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Looping counter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137713&oldid=137712 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+26) 10added not cuz its possible
< 1725214932 133318 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you could, for each Turing machine, whether it halts or not, then you could decide the halting problem simply by enumerating all possible proofs until one of them does the trick for the TM in question.
< 1725214933 891989 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: oh wow, looping counter without s or k
< 1725214951 472735 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: the ``ci`ci infinite loop is weird
< 1725214964 532316 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's basically that with output
< 1725214985 909423 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I am tempted to make a generalization of https://esolangs.org/wiki/Subtle_cough by adding the identity function to it
< 1725215017 886768 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's not original code... some example like this was in Madoore's original distribution)
< 1725215024 112193 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my current guess is "still sub-TC" but it's hard to tell
< 1725215051 166269 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but it should be too simple for copyright issues, plus I reconstructed it on the spot :P)
< 1725215055 506910 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you do that ais523 then plz name it general cough plz
< 1725215059 211668 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe
< 1725215060 82745 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1725215076 32202 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the hard-mode version would be c+d+i
< 1725215094 797161 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1725215096 461724 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe just c+d?
< 1725215108 959092 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :d is sort-of like an identity function
< 1725215114 451833 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you said it took years for you to make eoslangs
< 1725215117 310380 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*esolangs
< 1725215125 357995 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(not to say you lie or anythin')
< 1725215133 284248 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and not to annoy you)
< 1725215277 614284 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but
< 1725215281 743320 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you made on yester day
< 1725215286 73254 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and now your making another
< 1725215288 233119 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or are you
< 1725215292 16925 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im confused i tihnk
< 1725215294 340234 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*think
< 1725215297 476113 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't really count that as making an esolang
< 1725215301 449440 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I did, in a way
< 1725215301 918261 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: nobody said that *all* languages take that long to make
< 1725215308 355514 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725215309 609123 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also this one is a variation on an existing one
< 1725215317 601896 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also true
< 1725215323 800152 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, removing commands from an esolang is easy, it's probably even easier than adding them
< 1725215340 61526 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :having some reason to think that removing commands from an esolang might be *interesting* takes insight, but in this case it wasn't my insight
< 1725215342 919202 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea'
< 1725215354 485561 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also
< 1725215361 320565 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and besides it's not done
< 1725215370 659681 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, I didn't originally notice that ~ in Underload could be implemented in terms of the other commands, someone else noticed that
< 1725215378 821380 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because I imagine ais523 wouldn't write anything about it unless it's somehow actually interesting
> 1725215386 493394 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137714&oldid=137709 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10
< 1725215388 606211 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have a *controverisal* thing somebody said:
< 1725215389 114585 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a good esolang take three things: boredom, ot much freedom, an ADHD
< 1725215389 569081 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and both c and d are... awkward.
< 1725215406 826806 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: right, although I guess not knowing whether it's interesting or not is interesting in its own way?
< 1725215416 877322 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aa wut
< 1725215421 281719 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that normally takes a few days of thought to determine that it isn't uninteresting in a non-obvious way, though
< 1725215446 203768 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and oerjan isn't a regular here nowadays – oerjan was good at that sort of thing, probably better than me
< 1725215491 702722 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is promising in that c and d kind of offset each other; c makes termination harder; d makes termination easier
< 1725215521 646317 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :%s/Ciolkovski/Ciolkovskij/g
< 1725215527 336596 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw I was considering a call-with-previous-continuation operation in an esolang I was working on recently
< 1725215535 483000 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :my brain just wants to shut off though so I won't think about it
< 1725215543 976564 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the difference is that call/cc, if you call the continuation, the argument effectively replaces the entire call/cc call
< 1725215576 160810 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with call/pc, if you call the continuation, it effectively replaces the *argument* to the call/pc call, so it gets given the same continuation again and continues from there
< 1725215608 882347 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this day has made me hate not
< 1725215610 642884 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this is equivalent in logics that don't have linear-logic-like restrictions on duplicating and discarding values
< 1725215618 570188 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i will add that to my user page
< 1725215621 263048 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's easier to use for some things
> 1725215651 570236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137715&oldid=137610 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+22) 10
< 1725215755 694537 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: ITYM Циолковский
< 1725215760 802796 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :;-)
> 1725215764 15383 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137716&oldid=137345 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+221) 10/* test topic */ new section
< 1725215764 56582 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the
< 1725215765 613140 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut
< 1725215766 945982 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: channel logs webserver seems inaccessible
< 1725215797 1008 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(except for the front page)
< 1725215803 153792 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: try an invalid URL, it 404s right away
< 1725215817 423253 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :server's accessible but is having trouble serving for some reason
< 1725215838 182327 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm guessing it's the "stalker mode sometimes makes it get stuck" thing, which I hoped would've been fixed when I updated CivetWeb.
< 1725215839 842304 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I've forgotten essentially all the russian I've learned but I can still use the cyrillic script :P
> 1725215843 987572 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137717&oldid=137716 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* test topic */
< 1725215856 128836 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The front page, and 404s, are served by nginx; only the logs are served by the special log-server binary.
< 1725215857 991044 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725215899 713949 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Restarted it, and it works again, but will probably break at some point in the future for the same reason.
< 1725215913 336676 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :One of these days I'll debug it. But not today.
< 1725215915 200619 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :chat must look so confusing
< 1725215932 463019 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: sure, just narrowed it down because /sometimes/ something usually stable like DNS breaks
< 1725216055 303063 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: to be clear, COME FROM was originally proposed as a joke replacement instead of GO TO, so it is by design that that they are equivalent. The joke was that there's an influential paper by Dijkstra where he explains why languages like FORTRAN should have a structured IF and WHILE statement, and you should write program using those rather than with conditional GO TO statements. So the COME FROM 
< 1725216061 310589 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :proposal starts from the base idea that GO TO is harmful, but then proposes an even worse solution.
< 1725216089 216320 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: oh ok
< 1725216208 538624 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: they aren't equivalent in interpreted languages, goto is much more efficient to implement
< 1725216208 610308 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: IRC can get convoluted. It used to be worse :)
< 1725216219 54890 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725216245 908694 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. you can't come from in a scripting interpreter that starts executing commands before it's fully parsed the program
< 1725216348 354697 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
< 1725216478 851832 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, Random-access machine is the computational model that is rather similar to the 70s and 80s computers which had a CPU and RAM running on the same clock, with no cache other than sometimes a 1-byte data prefetch, so every RAM access has the same cost. Only the model abstracts away the part that the available RAM and address space is necessarily finite. I think it could have been discovered earlier, 
< 1725216484 837826 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but back then computers stored data on disks/drums or tape or mercury delay loop rather than core memory or SRAM or DRAM, so the abstraction was deeper, pretending that it always took the same amount of time to access any cell, even though that usually wasn't true for disks.  
< 1725216507 907193 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The variant of call/cc that I had consider is law of excluded middle continuations
< 1725216542 577102 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: interesting
< 1725216566 806363 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although now that I think of it, https://www.righto.com/2024/08/minuteman-guidance-computer.html describes a computer that stores its work memory on a disk, but its CPU clock cycles are synchronized with the disk's rotation, and it has a separate head for each track, so it does actually access its memory in constant time!
< 1725216625 371506 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's the D-37 family of computers.
< 1725216674 689607 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh hey, the logs web server fixed itself, thank you
< 1725216689 584872 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: fizzie poked it
< 1725216714 176034 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thank you fizzie
< 1725216754 663276 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: i just got reminded of the c'mon do something meme but something happend
< 1725216795 700608 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: honestly I'm not sure how many memes there are that both of us know
< 1725216805 638069 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not many
< 1725216808 567905 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm not sure what you're referring to)
< 1725216822 69180 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill send a link
< 1725216827 50236 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or am i allowed?
< 1725216847 399766 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :links are fine (within reason)
< 1725216867 418978 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://imgflip.com/i/923fer
< 1725216887 932331 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is is
< 1725216890 11690 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*it
< 1725216918 322828 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1725216970 850402 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes, but the library catalogs store russian names in ISO-9 scientific transcription, presumably so that they could type them on a typewriter with fewer type elements, and then this got kept when the catalog got digitized, so if I type Ciolkovskij in the digital catalog https://nektar2.oszk.hu/LVbin/LibriVision/lv_search_form.html then it works (though gives some false positives for other people 
< 1725216973 319920 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see.
< 1725216976 849738 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with the same family name), but if I enter Циолковский then it finds nothing
< 1725217012 55248 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: that's kind of sad
< 1725217023 252043 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this is a bug, the library catalog software should be able to find transliterated versions of the name if I type Циолковский, but I have to know the workaround 
< 1725217076 405578 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahhh. radioactive theme. make my brain go yes
< 1725217086 646401 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and last I was in the building, they still had parts of the catalog not digitized, so I may have to search in the cupboards of catalog slips by the transcribed name sorted in alphabetic order
< 1725217134 992637 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know if OSzK and/or Rényi Int kvt still has parts of their catalogs not yet digitized though, maybe they scanned everything by now
< 1725217154 328937 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Using 'j' for 'й' (which in context mostly extends the 'и' vowel) is also a bit weird, but whatever.
< 1725217190 100931 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's hard to argue with standards)
< 1725217202 763517 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cf. https://xkcd.com/927/
< 1725217227 477868 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725217328 988735 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry for bringing this up again but:
< 1725217329 482868 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how the hell is not more powerfull than whats just a TM but with bounded memory
< 1725217394 576784 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just like
< 1725217403 995704 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you need unbounded memory to keep track of the number of 1s to print between newlines
< 1725217407 769104 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: the ISO 9 transcription wants to be a simple reversible transliteration that takes one letter always to one letter, so I think that makes sense. There are other transliterations that don't try to keep that.
< 1725217419 797048 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :all you need is duplication concatenation and infinite loops
< 1725217434 783471 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also ISO 9 tries to transliterate all languages written in cyrillic letters uniformly, but in a way that's optimized for Russian first 
< 1725217435 754892 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :log(N) -> oo as N -> oo.
< 1725217442 766924 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut???
< 1725217484 641431 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And since there's no input, an LBA only gets finite memory here.
< 1725217521 466393 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :even with input it can be a LBA(see buzzfizz)
< 1725217533 359644 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The memory is bounded by a linear (technically affine to make the zero sized input case work) function in the input size.)
< 1725217545 612803 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think Serbian second, so that the transliterations for letters usually matches the Gaj serbian transliteration, except for ј where Russian takes precedence, and for the letters where serbian transliterates one cyrillic letter to two latin letters
< 1725217562 669330 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: here, have an infinity symbol: ∞
< 1725217582 818162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: it looks ugly in my terminal font :P
< 1725217591 986986 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did not know about Minuteman computer now I see
< 1725217601 457364 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :o∞o
< 1725217607 961587 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the one digit number for the standard is really cool by the way. do you know any other ISO or ECMA or ANSI etc standards with such a cool name?
< 1725217622 30297 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the book I learned about computer construction from was written a little after magnetic core memory was invented
< 1725217638 938573 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and had sections on both digital and analog computers, although there was more space devoted to digital
< 1725217654 205223 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/owo.png
< 1725217660 391674 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: aren't Ecma standards normally just two digits long? although they might have reached three digits by now
< 1725217678 423916 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: two letters yes, but I don't think I've seen any one-digit one
< 1725217685 968121 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ISO have cool-sounding numbers for some of the standards, like ISO 9000 (the standards themselves are less interesting though)
< 1725217692 199651 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the name with ISO is more impressive with how most ISO standards have longer names
< 1725217776 791571 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this IRC channel tried to set up a standards organisation once, but it didn't get as far as publishing even a single standard
< 1725217781 226251 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: BuzzFizz has unbounded counters, so that means unbounded memory.
< 1725217782 571155 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I think it was planning to do BF first, unsuprisingly)
< 1725217802 258616 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: wait wut
< 1725217810 177226 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then its not a LBA????
< 1725217811 541880 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: but it can be implemented with memory that's bounded linearly by the input
< 1725217837 880429 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay so it can't do the looping counter
< 1725217846 278289 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: the trick is that although the counters can theoretically go arbitrarily high, every very high value is indistinguishable from some lower value, and you can determine that statically
< 1725217857 802287 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I admit "typewriters" is too specific a reason, the library catalog even on a digital computer would probably have used a latin transliteration until about 1990 the least
< 1725217859 711337 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1725217860 694378 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you can "cheat" by storing the higher values as a lower one
< 1725217863 80727 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: right I didn't read that far
< 1725217885 471539 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1725217889 721870 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(well, "statically based on the input" which is how you get the LBA's input-dependence)
< 1725217891 913167 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does buzzfizz have strings?
< 1725217894 658287 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1725217899 716615 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1725217903 777816 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :except for string literals in the print statements
< 1725217911 390627 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@123.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale
< 1725217912 43280 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :else you could prop implement not
< 1725217913 280775 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait
< 1725217931 240668 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not an LBA for the purpose of printing stuff
< 1725217943 770357 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :are you sure?
< 1725217952 440422 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can print a counter
< 1725217956 28675 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"this IRC channel tried to set up a standards organisation once" => wait what?
< 1725217962 193240 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: oh, ouch, that is probably a mistake
< 1725217976 960776 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it collapsed into bikeshedding about what typesetting software to use, I think
< 1725217989 872759 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it didn't get as far as considering issues like hosting or getting anyone to pay any attention to it
< 1725218000 701651 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but for properties like halting it's an LBA
< 1725218055 281480 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill have to leave in a bit sorry
< 1725218056 951921 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ig
< 1725218068 339545 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said... I still don't think that it can do the loooping counter even if you abuse the ability to print counter values
< 1725218088 274513 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :typical. hopefully tom7 will improve his BoVeX esoteric typesetting system to a point where we can standardize on that. though we may need to write a texinfo-like template for it that can compile to either HTML or printable PDF.
< 1725218092 578300 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: it's fine, people drop off and return all the time
< 1725218103 299918 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wont return tho
< 1725218106 573966 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not for now
< 1725218122 162220 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure it may take hours, days, weeks... sometimes more
< 1725218123 618858 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::P
< 1725218125 30914 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :conversations here often move slowly
< 1725218131 657958 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we continue them across hours or days quite often
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< 1725218142 679472 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there are logs to help...
< 1725218145 498138 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...haha
> 1725218280 391696 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BuzzFizz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137718&oldid=58772 5* 03Int-e 5* (+96) 10nitpick
< 1725218333 414285 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-09-01.html#l5f APL Del editor, ∇ editor, for log search purposes
< 1725218501 464636 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: ironically that capability to print the counter is quite essential for FizzBuzz
< 1725218504 788258 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"sort of – it gets complicated when you have multiple gotos or comefroms aiming at the same line" => that's how Chomsky context-free grammars work if you translate it to a nondeterministic stack automata, but with a very different semantics for multiple COME FROM from the same place as in Intercal
< 1725218515 618250 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :re https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-09-01.html#lpf
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< 1725218546 263698 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it's not very different, it's actually pretty similar
< 1725218559 81107 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :C-INTERCAL implements backtracking and threading using the same internal primitives
< 1725218641 764599 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we should look up the original article proposing come from and link it from https://esolangs.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_esoteric_programming_languages https://esolangs.org/wiki/INTERCAL https://esolangs.org/wiki/C-INTERCAL
> 1725218719 612233 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GoL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137719 5* 03B jonas 5* (+26) 10Redirected page to [[Game of Life]]
< 1725218795 794582 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, I admit I haven't really looked at how threaded intercal worked, it didn't seem interesting enough an extension
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< 1725218957 530364 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the way it does inter-thread communication is probably the most interesting part, and ended up being useful for single-threaded programming too
< 1725219240 652400 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm trying to recall... was it a one-shot version of REINSTATE?
< 1725219300 150807 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :" a consistency checking esolang" => would a modern SAT solver or finite domain logic programming solver count? how about just Prolog? 
< 1725219305 21510 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'll look it up myself)
< 1725219447 648698 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, statement get an optional ONCE/AGAIN flag and 'ONCE' can toggle the NOT flag. Yeah, I think my memory got close enough :)
< 1725219462 381544 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: it's a statement modifier that flips the abstention status once when the status runs, and then turns itself off, but it turns itself back on again if it gets externally abstained/reinstated
< 1725219585 619095 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and this is guaranteed to be atomic in that if two threads run into a statement that is currently reinstanted once only then exactly one will execute that statement?
< 1725219605 500717 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah
< 1725219635 530609 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's convenient, yes. though you'll also need some way to pause a thread without a spinloop.
< 1725219662 449427 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you have to spin here
> 1725219733 785500 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sculptlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137720&oldid=136486 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10
< 1725219735 109614 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and nothing stops you from ineffectively REINSTATING a DO ... ONCE statement or ABSTAINING FROM a DON'T ... ONCE one.
< 1725219759 990611 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So there's some effort to make this awkward.
< 1725219856 43915 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :“ inconsistent theories have no models, so are they ‘things’ at all” => yes, in that because there are interesting theories where we can't tell if they have models or not, we want to be able to talk about a model even if it might be inconsistent for all we know
< 1725219876 867216 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the link I'm looking at is https://web.archive.org/web/20160303230852/http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~malcolmr/intercal/threaded.html
< 1725219880 465186 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like being able to talk about a person who may be dead, even if a known dead person isn't interesting
< 1725219922 795174 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I was playing with the idea that the meta level is less tangible than the object level
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< 1725219931 184568 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and things should be tangible
< 1725219936 524464 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it wasn't too serious
< 1725220048 937670 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in that case you'd have to say that theories aren't things, regardless if they're consistent, only models are things
< 1725220095 661196 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have bigger gripes in the same conceptual space... the reversed roles of reification and reflection in https://hackage.haskell.org/package/reflection-2.1.8/docs/Data-Reflection.html :P (values are concrete, so reification should be the process of expressing a type as a value, while reflection does the opposite... but no, it's the opposite)
< 1725220158 914053 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"I've never made an esolang because fleshing out ideas is hard." => the trick is to make a toy language or experimental language, and then posting it on the esolang wiki because those are off-topic enough
< 1725220211 502280 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :by toy language I mean a language whose main goal is to learn how to implement a language; an experimental language is one that has features that are probably not good to put in a real language, but you want to explore their consequences so you put them into a language anyway.
< 1725220255 755894 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, not really, by toy language I mean a language whose main goal is to learn how to *design and develop* a language, which may involve implementing it, but that's not strictly necessary
< 1725220346 37440 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so toy language ends up as not practical mostly by the limitations of its creator, because they don't know how to make a good enough practical language; while experimental language ends up as not practical because you are trying an esoteric idea
< 1725220368 740596 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or too many strange ideas in the same language, where a few of those ideas may turn out to be good
> 1725220393 579169 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Uyjhmn n14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137721&oldid=132744 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-28) 10/* See also */
< 1725220405 683155 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't care too much about whether such languages count as esoteric or not, they're on topic enough for the wiki and channel 
> 1725220417 353808 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02Uyjhmn--10]] to [[I love circuit boards]]
> 1725220454 21583 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07I love circuit boards14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137724&oldid=137722 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1719) 10Replaced content with "{{Stub}} '''I love circuit boards''' is a circuit board esolang [[Category:Languages]][[Category:2024]][[Category:Unimplemented]]"
> 1725220724 809604 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07I love circuit boards14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137725&oldid=137724 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+143) 10
> 1725221340 523693 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NOP (esolang)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137726&oldid=137692 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+2) 10
< 1725221616 266053 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: wait, what is call/pc ? I heard of call/cc and call/ec . is this something related to delimited continuations?
< 1725221656 191792 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :'p' is for 'previous' and there's an explanation of that in context
< 1725221787 648778 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"which I hoped would've been fixed when I updated CivetWeb" => I recently upgraded Oracle VirtualBox on my work machine because it sometimes used to crash with a segfault in the process running on the host. after the upgrade, multiple times it froze while the Windows guest was shutting down. this might not be a Virtualbox bug, it's possible that the guest freezes, but if so the timing is strange because 
< 1725221793 657141 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think that ever happened before, certainly not repeatedly.
< 1725222003 312870 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :" cf. https://xkcd.com/927/" => oh, there absolutely are that many standards for transliterating russian to latin script.
> 1725222189 74887 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137727&oldid=134895 5* 03B jonas 5* (+152) 10/* Todo */ D-17, thank you for the reminder zzo38
> 1725222241 91410 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137728&oldid=132517 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+666) 10yet another rewrite
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> 1725222508 339030 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sculptlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137731&oldid=137720 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+0) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/137720|137720]] by [[Special:Contributions/Ractangle|Ractangle]] ([[User talk:Ractangle|talk]])
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< 1725223015 71417 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Hmm BuzzFizz should have enough for full LBA capability if we adopt a convention that the first input is 2^M if we want to simulate an M-bit tape. We get full finite control and counters modulo 2^M, and we can decrement a counter by zeroing an auxiliary counter, incrementing it once, and then incrementing both counters until the auxiliary counter is 0.
> 1725223028 306726 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/common.css14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137734&oldid=137733 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (-62) 10Blanked the page
< 1725223071 49247 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, else: isn't needed for full finite control; you can maintain your own modulo 2 counter for that instead
> 1725223208 298233 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/common.js14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137735&oldid=136372 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (-157) 10uwu
< 1725223210 165389 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(incidentally the example that adds two numbers doesn't use else: either)
< 1725223300 370818 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also since if ...: can be nested you can implement finite control with N states with log_2(N) toggles.
< 1725223354 632108 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :with a silly opportunity to employ a Gray code.
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< 1725224569 334234 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: ooh, nice proof – so I guess the hard part is doing it only with the numbers in the input
< 1725224629 513230 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also I was wondering when Tommyaweosme was going to blank that CSS page)
< 1725224652 140443 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that JS edit could be trouble, I think it is likely to screw up edited pages, cloud-to-butt style
< 1725224674 313332 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'll wait for it to demonstrate that it's a problem before blanking, just in case it isn't
> 1725224727 540384 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Uyjhmn--/Brainfuck interpreter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137736&oldid=130673 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+146) 10Link, category
< 1725224737 353498 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :else: was included mostly because FizzBuzzes do that rather than for LBA-completeness
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< 1725225235 897142 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes sense
< 1725225243 987442 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't watched this recent video yet, but it has a clickbait title related to stuff on-topic here => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFoXooShZXc
< 1725225340 697811 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is a cute pun
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< 1725230915 818363 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :For the MtG fans who didn't see it yet: https://david.kolo.ski/blog/sort-library-steps-mtg/
< 1725230930 641515 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :A judge discusses this in a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhZnHJBH4Ag
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< 1725231831 874354 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.righto.com/2023/08/datapoint-to-8086.html “Following the 8080, Intel intended to revolutionize microprocessors with a 32-bit ‘micro-mainframe’, the iAPX 432. This extremely complex processor implemented objects, memory management, interprocess communication, and fine-grained memory protection in hardware. The iAPX 432 was too ambitious and the project fell behind schedule, leaving 
< 1725231837 881377 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Intel vulnerable against competitors such as Motorola and Zilog. Intel quickly threw together a 16-bit processor as a stopgap until the iAPX 432 was ready;” => that means Intel's microprocessor development lab was capable of executing and reordering independent models way before they made the Pentium and Pentium Pro which were their first CPUs that could execute independent instructions in parallel 
< 1725231843 895030 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and reorder instruction respectively.
< 1725231953 268246 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: hehe, that's funny
< 1725232771 221046 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.righto.com/2024/08/pentium-navajo-fairchild-shiprock.html => hmm, do we have a thematic esolang for this, one where the source code is woven fabric and it's interpreted as if it were plans for an integrated circuit?
< 1725234464 159252 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know what is BoVeX. What I think would be useful in a typesetting system is to be able to include PostScript codes which can be executed during the decisions of typesetting, and not only at the end when the output is being made.
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< 1725242534 689892 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :About setting up a standards organization but standards were not made, I think though, that I had tried to make up one, which is a chording keyboard that uses the same combinations as the IBM format of punched cards, e.g. 0 and 9 together will make "Z". There will be a separate space key and enter key.
< 1725243668 530832 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The other thing I had wanted to do is like Dewey decimal system with TV shows and movies, so that you can select them by number on a on demand service. After each digit is entered, a menu can be displayed with the choices for the next digit, and then afterward finally you can select which one you want from that menu by entering the rest of the digits according to the specific movie you want.
> 1725245718 874135 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(,)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137749&oldid=119053 5* 03Dadsdy 5* (-42) 10/* Discord */
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< 1725250506 433130 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I had also written other stuff though, such as Scorpion protocol/file-format.)
< 1725250542 851056 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe we will be able to make a standard organization if you have ideas about what kind of standards documents you will intend to write.
< 1725250584 326832 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that it was mentioned that my ideas about chording keyboard might be suitable. So, next time you make up something else, and then we will have enough to make it, even if they contradict each other
> 1725252839 90653 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137750&oldid=137714 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-53) 10/* Esolangs */
> 1725253057 885354 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope. with no quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137751&oldid=137700 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+109) 10
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> 1725259789 289655 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137752&oldid=137683 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+189) 10
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< 1725260880 23081 :schoolwwwwwww!~schoolwww@2.109.102.67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello
< 1725260886 701225 :schoolwwwwwww!~schoolwww@2.109.102.67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im just wwwww
< 1725260891 586209 :schoolwwwwwww!~schoolwww@2.109.102.67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or whatever the name was
< 1725260899 765963 :schoolwwwwwww!~schoolwww@2.109.102.67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but im not on my pu'er rn
< 1725260973 358833 :schoolwwwwwww!~schoolwww@2.109.102.67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so hello
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> 1725263380 866127 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Animosian14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137753&oldid=75706 5* 03Star651 5* (+340) 10kinda sorta got implemented but not exactly
< 1725264630 509323 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: how would that be layed out? the most common modifiers 10, 11, 12 under your left fingers, 10-11, 10-12, 11-12 in a row above your left fingers; the less common 8, 9, 8-9 modifiers under your left pinky; 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 keys under your right fingers and the row above them; enter key somewhere reachable with your right hand; space under your thumbs? or would it be more like eight of 1, 
< 1725264636 589745 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 in the home row; two copies each of the 10, 11, 12 modifiers above and 10-11, 10-12, 11-12 modifiers below the home row so you can use whichever is reachable with the other hand than the number you're pressing?
< 1725264776 71680 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or would you just start with a layout similar to traditional keyboards with separate keys for the 26 letters, 10 digits, and a few other, but then have two copies of the modifier to get lowercase equivalents that negate the 10, 11, 12 columns, and two copies of the 8 and 9 and 8-9 modifiers?
< 1725264814 637607 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and a space and enter key, the space modifiable)
< 1725264997 946742 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would not be too many keys, but I'm not sure it counts as chorded
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> 1725265870 214927 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Gabenugget114 5*  10New user account
> 1725266198 852664 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137754&oldid=137740 5* 03Gabenugget114 5* (+92) 10
> 1725266216 898459 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Gabenugget11414]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137755 5* 03Gabenugget114 5* (+2) 10Created page with "hi"
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< 1725270036 416837 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
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> 1725273321 154851 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07/English version14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137756&oldid=137636 5* 03None1 5* (+2) 10/* Command in the language */
> 1725273412 122150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User:Tommyaweosme/common.js10]]": Author request: JS page that is rendering the account unable to edit
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> 1725273443 786405 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137757&oldid=137741 5* 03Ais523 5* (+229) 10/* unbrick needed */ unbricked hopefully
> 1725273461 457234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07/English version14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137758&oldid=137756 5* 03None1 5* (+58) 10
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> 1725275929 125579 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137759&oldid=137717 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+466) 10
> 1725276027 485296 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope. with no quine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137760&oldid=137751 5* 03None1 5* (+1) 10
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> 1725276158 108569 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137761&oldid=137225 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+745) 10
> 1725276390 599255 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137762&oldid=137647 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+195) 10I'll fliter the message with important level.
> 1725276410 913436 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137763&oldid=137762 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+5) 10
> 1725276451 987826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137764&oldid=137757 5* 03None1 5* (+216) 10/* Delete blank pages */
> 1725276595 175843 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137765 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+19) 10Redirected page to [[Nope.]]
> 1725276608 181916 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137766&oldid=137764 5* 03None1 5* (+279) 10/* the war */
> 1725276945 779753 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Esoteric File Archive14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137767&oldid=82517 5* 03None1 5* (+13) 10/* Known mirrors */ probably dead
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> 1725277176 297450 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137768&oldid=136253 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+218) 10
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> 1725277993 482901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137769&oldid=137763 5* 03Ais523 5* (-200) 10undo  sorting a user talk page is generally useless, but if a user wants to do it, it should be up to them whether and how to do it, not up to visitors to the page  edits by other users to user talk pages should primarily be for the purpose of sending messages to t
> 1725278338 305168 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02I love circuit boards10]] to [[How dare you fuck the brain]]
> 1725278504 708697 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ORK/PSTF Again214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137772 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1024) 10Created page with "MHPP: I think we're going to go crazy with ORK  NON1: Yes, but we can make it crazier  PSTF: This is my product  {{PSTF's Version|None1|[[Translated ORK/None1 again2]]}}  1. Take the semi-product 
 Cable texture. Nothing not nothing. Nothing
> 1725278567 356570 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137773&oldid=137770 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+8) 10
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> 1725280641 666547 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137776&oldid=137775 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+167) 10/* test topic */
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> 1725282711 393438 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137777&oldid=137766 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+181) 10/* unbrick needed */
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> 1725283407 59741 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category talk:Unimplemented14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137779&oldid=137679 5* 03None1 5* (+252) 10
> 1725284272 377566 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137780&oldid=132328 5* 03None1 5* (+120) 10/* Related languages */
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> 1725285177 91465 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137781&oldid=137694 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10
> 1725285198 992990 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turing (Joshop)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137782&oldid=108909 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Page was blanked by the creator
> 1725285243 568014 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Atomless set computation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137783&oldid=108747 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/108747|108747]] by [[Special:Contributions/Squidmanescape|Squidmanescape]] ([[User talk:Squidmanescape|talk]])
> 1725285280 557569 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BlueBell14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137784&oldid=108760 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Page was blanked by the author
> 1725285298 118827 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gino14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137785&oldid=109130 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Page was blanked by the author
> 1725285314 776562 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfucker++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137786&oldid=108894 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Page was blanked by the author
> 1725285331 817019 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfucker++/SBFR14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137787&oldid=108895 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Page was blanked by the author
> 1725285561 587341 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chagz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137788&oldid=124079 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-16) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725285591 211426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Miau14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137789&oldid=110915 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+2) 10Redirectify
> 1725285639 42134 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137790&oldid=137781 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+98) 10
> 1725285659 931838 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BoredKat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137791&oldid=108880 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-20) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725285689 375379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DimensionDoors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137792&oldid=84021 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-22) 10Probably accidentally created
> 1725285726 872520 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cpy/Converter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137793&oldid=109114 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-22) 10Page was blanked by the author
> 1725285750 638250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gino/Interpreter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137794&oldid=109129 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-22) 10Page was blanked by the author
> 1725285774 781097 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gdlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137795&oldid=130860 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-22) 10Page was blanked by the author
> 1725285893 281132 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sequence14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137796&oldid=109374 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-15) 10Replace with template, author may choose to add page in the future
> 1725285982 568223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Sandbox/tr14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137797 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+106) 10Created page with "Is this supposed to exist? --~~~~"
> 1725286032 586204 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Marmite14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137798&oldid=112492 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-27) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286151 218505 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lim9514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137799&oldid=99617 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-7) 10Probably accidentally created
> 1725286211 189351 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Exclamation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137800&oldid=122306 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286220 407081 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07New14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137801&oldid=122307 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-8) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286289 234853 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StupidStackLanguage/Examples14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137802&oldid=79822 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-14) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286325 543058 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07REG.TYPE = STR TRUE turing completeness14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137803&oldid=131824 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-28) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286349 543674 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07C-trice14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137804&oldid=108903 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-31) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286365 280189 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FunctionsFTW/FizzBizz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137805&oldid=93699 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-31) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286377 776460 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Alexa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137806&oldid=109845 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-31) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286388 587451 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Robotic Smiley Face14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137807&oldid=109961 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+1) 10Redirected page to [[Robotic smiley face]]
> 1725286409 399447 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137808&oldid=91005 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-34) 10Probably accidentally created
> 1725286475 209280 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137809 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+114) 10Created page with "Is this supposed to be a redirect? --~~~~"
> 1725286500 194887 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quoi?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137810&oldid=112869 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-36) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286506 985213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quoi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137811&oldid=112868 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-36) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286519 585124 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Business Offers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137812&oldid=108901 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-41) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286604 188956 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LambdaStack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137813&oldid=101633 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-50) 10Can probably be safely deleted
> 1725286749 857586 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Disk Drive14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137814&oldid=106434 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-62) 10Redirected page to [[]]
> 1725286806 855415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BuzzFish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137815 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+413) 10Created page with "'''BuzzFish''' is a esolang by [[User:Yayimhere]] to demonstrate the problem with [[Looping counter]]s. == the syntax == BuzzFish has 3 commands:  *: print * and a newline  |''x''}: loops x forever   |''x''}=: move the string |x}= to after the = == the problem == the 
> 1725286846 521270 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pinecone14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137816&oldid=92298 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+23) 10Hopefully someone remembers what this esolang does
< 1725286848 215813 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true right?:
< 1725286848 716471 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/BuzzFish
> 1725286887 710331 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Sleep14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137817 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+97) 10Created page with "Is this esoteric? --~~~~"
> 1725286926 896671 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chaos14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137818&oldid=109100 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-14) 10
> 1725286964 464492 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OCDMess14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137819&oldid=110035 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-89) 10Can probably be safely deleted
< 1725287127 80055 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:4719:c0b3:8059:79bb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1725287144 606980 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:4719:c0b3:8059:79bb JOIN #esolangs * :realname
> 1725287269 408120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137820&oldid=137778 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+250) 10
> 1725287272 568711 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137821&oldid=137337 5* 03None1 5* (+315) 10
> 1725287371 621526 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137822&oldid=124504 5* 03None1 5* (+1) 10
> 1725287429 857196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Chagz10]]": apparent test page, has never had useful content
> 1725287519 818509 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BoredKat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137823&oldid=137791 5* 03Ais523 5* (+25) 10manual revert back to being a redirect  it is possible there are still links to the old name of the language, and a redirect is more useful than a missing page
> 1725287640 879308 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Sandbox/tr10]]": apparent (very old) attempt to test a template  but it doesn't make sense to keep tests around indefinitely, and normally userspace is a better place for that sort of test
> 1725287664 98594 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Talk:Sandbox/tr10]]": delete the talk page, too
< 1725287690 429103 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: can that even do a looping counter? you at least need * and the newline to be separate commands
< 1725287706 974518 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait yea
> 1725287773 963373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BuzzFish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137824&oldid=137815 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+40) 10
> 1725287804 795505 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User talk:Unname4798/vector.css10]]": Author request
> 1725287823 646473 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BuzzFish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137825&oldid=137824 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+69) 10
> 1725287823 937816 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User:Unname4798/common.js10]]": Author request
< 1725287831 55848 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :done
> 1725287845 985547 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User:Unname4798/vector.css10]]": Author request
> 1725287862 935774 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User:Unname4798/vector.js10]]": Author request
> 1725287891 986196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137826&oldid=137820 5* 03Ais523 5* (+146) 10/* Unrated */ deleted
> 1725288049 540749 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10moved [[02LambdaStack10]] to [[User:Squidmanescape]]: revert accidental move of a userpage to mainspace  temporarily deleting the replacement userpage to do the history merge, I will undelete it once the history merge is finished
> 1725288049 561044 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User:Squidmanescape10]]": Deleted to make way for move from "[[LambdaStack]]"
> 1725288080 855954 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 restore10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10undeleted "[[02User:Squidmanescape10]]": history merge
< 1725288081 721925 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: now it works right?
> 1725288111 738350 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Squidmanescape14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137828&oldid=137827 5* 03Ais523 5* (+2202) 10select the correct revision to be the current revision, after the history merge
> 1725288159 122938 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Business Offers10]]": apparent test page, has never had useful content
> 1725288222 35542 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quoi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137829&oldid=137811 5* 03Ais523 5* (+19) 10manual revert back to being a redirect  it is possible there are still links to the old name of the language, and a redirect is more useful than a missing page
> 1725288399 464373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PkmnQ14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137830 5* 03Ais523 5* (+814) 10thanks for finding abandoned pages
> 1725288478 855965 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Esolang110]]": accidentally created page, all content is also included at [[User:Esolang1]] which is the correct name for the page
> 1725288509 862863 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Alexa10]]": abandoned page, has never had useful content
> 1725288541 282701 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02FunctionsFTW/FizzBizz10]]": redirect left behind after a typo was corrected in the page title
> 1725288692 956857 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02REG.TYPE = STR TRUE turing completeness10]]": Author request: early draft of a TCness proof that's now superseded by (and redundant to) the proof on the main article, and the author requested deletion
> 1725288759 761552 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02StupidStackLanguage:Examples10]]": redirect left behind after the page title was corrected to fit the naming convention
> 1725288866 677263 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Lim9510]]": apparent test page, has never had useful content
< 1725288888 186584 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lots of deletions today
> 1725288907 490735 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Marmite10]]": abandoned page, has never had useful content
< 1725288952 891812 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: someone went through blanking all the pages they thought should be deleted
< 1725288963 32841 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they weren't right on all of them, but got quite a lot right, so I went around deleting it properly
< 1725288969 688291 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh kk
< 1725288973 885337 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait also
< 1725288994 825902 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shouldn't the creator be able to delete their pages?
< 1725289008 965031 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if it's soon after creation, typically yes
< 1725289012 155554 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you and others dont need to delete it when they blank it
< 1725289016 695069 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if it's older it gets more complicated, because pages aren't owned by people
< 1725289027 549145 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725289033 548932 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or like
< 1725289045 315113 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if its something like bf you shouldnt be able to do that
< 1725289045 802561 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if, say, the only description of an esolang is on the wiki but the creator doesn't feel like maintaining it, sometimes they try to delete the page, but then the description would be lost
< 1725289060 184918 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725289082 42650 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so those are controversial, and normally need more than one opinion to delete
< 1725289097 533586 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also true
< 1725289101 737938 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I generally leave the page in whatever state it's in, because that's easiest for me to do
< 1725289113 400055 :bookworms!~bookworms@user/bookworms JOIN #esolangs bookworms :bookworms
< 1725289116 651602 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :makes sense
< 1725289155 115963 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for BuzzFish, you might as well, e.g., just add a looping counter to HQ9+, it still would be less powerful than a linear-bounded automaton in almost all respects, but it would be able to implement one program the linear-bounded automaton couldn't
< 1725289173 124237 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725289179 15557 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's not *strictly* less powerful
< 1725289191 723323 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also tru
< 1725289194 395290 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*true
> 1725289211 45608 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137831&oldid=137715 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+15) 10
< 1725289220 105516 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's an HQ9+ variant https://esolangs.org/wiki/CHIQRSX9%2B with a command defined as "makes the language Turing-complete" – that's the definition, it doesn't say how
> 1725289226 682695 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BuzzFish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137832&oldid=137825 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+16) 10
< 1725289260 682729 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there's some debate about what that does to the computational class
< 1725289269 509155 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it could be a run the stack as the memory(idk if dis exists) of a universal tag system
< 1725289283 275407 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example
< 1725289307 554818 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, 18 deletions is a lot (although it's actually only 16 because 2 of them were a history merge, which requires temporarily deleting pages but they get restored afterward)
< 1725289471 970543 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
> 1725289522 360944 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02DimensionDoors10]]": accidentally created page, duplicate of [[User:DimensionDoors]] which is the correct name for it
> 1725289522 376360 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Talk:DimensionDoors10]]": Deleted together with the associated page with reason: accidentally created page, duplicate of [[User:DimensionDoors]] which is the correct name for it
> 1725289592 42217 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gdlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137833&oldid=137795 5* 03Ais523 5* (+20) 10manual revert back to being a redirect  it is possible there are still links to the old name of the language, and a redirect is more useful than a missing page
> 1725289655 373739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Sequence10]]": No content; content was: "{{Stub}}", has never had content other than the stub template or an equivalent
< 1725289685 8420 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut the hell
< 1725289730 313463 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesn't make any sense to make a page that's marked as a stub but nothing else, but apparently people do it sometimes
< 1725289747 724463 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725289751 478123 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its just weird
< 1725289756 281427 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think
< 1725289760 999213 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :personally
< 1725289836 145240 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at Wikipedia there are short letter+number codes for all the common ways people make pages that are either entirely useless or rulebreaking and can be deleted immediately, containing no useful content at all is A3
< 1725289853 639862 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn
< 1725289877 249628 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats pre''y smart
< 1725289881 486222 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's mostly to stop people deleting pages unilaterally when there's supposed to be discussion first, if you don't know an appropriate code you can't delete the page (some admins get a bit trigger-happy with the deletes)
< 1725289895 77781 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also gentoo boot menu is TC... for some reason
< 1725289906 769623 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf
< 1725290019 317625 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I once wrote a config file format by starting with it being TC and then placing restrictions on it until it wasn't, which is the other way round from how most people design config file formats
< 1725290034 128002 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe Gentoo's boot menu did it the other way round from me
< 1725290048 411449 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why do you want it to not be TC?
< 1725290064 285703 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because then it isn't really a config file, it's just a program
< 1725290075 19582 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh...lol
< 1725290101 163422 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in particular I was working on a project where people doing similar projects were trying to put too much logic into the config files rather than putting it into the program being configured, where it should be
< 1725290106 66816 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I wanted it to be sub-TC intentionally
< 1725290151 468240 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1725290298 672498 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1725290307 81826 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i would like to see a ocnfig creating esolang
< 1725290309 637773 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*config
< 1725290317 374173 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does that exist?
< 1725290364 675932 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not intentionally designed as one, I think
< 1725290377 854237 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725290380 846715 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but are there any
< 1725290388 970415 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are almost certainly config file formats that turned into accidental esolangs
< 1725290400 462436 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725290422 623571 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then maybe some random config format is the first esolang?
< 1725290496 908246 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe, although early config file formats were very simple
< 1725290510 29146 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah
< 1725290809 925025 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway
< 1725290825 561013 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how the hell did conway get into esolangs??(fractan))
< 1725290966 958929 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so Conway seems to have been interested in showing that certain mathematical problems are hard to solve
< 1725290977 280456 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725290991 664549 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there are very few ways we know of to prove that solving a problem is hard or impossible
< 1725291014 781187 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :most problems that we know to be unsolvable, we know it because we can reduce them to the halting problem
< 1725291030 217825 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :xD why is that so funny to me
< 1725291037 184641 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Conway was trying to show that the Collatz problem was difficult, and did so by showing that generalized Collatz problems were Turing-complete
< 1725291049 890999 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and Fractran was an esolang invented for the TCness proof
< 1725291058 186721 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1725291065 448271 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea that reminded me of something
< 1725291087 889240 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the esolang comunity(and other mathemtical comunities)
< 1725291103 892391 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is that after a person has made a lot of esolangs
< 1725291122 575055 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they begin using it in their proofs
< 1725291130 459610 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :kinda like some of your esolangs
< 1725291135 89118 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk why it happens
< 1725291187 616227 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :many of my esolangs were created for proofs, and often they turn out to be useful in more than one proof
< 1725291215 268601 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725291219 791914 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, "easy to implement esolangs that are TC and are useful for proving things" is one of the main sorts of esolang that I actively look for, it's where a lot of my esolanging effort goes
< 1725291224 597718 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it isn't surprising that I found quite a few of them
< 1725291238 575323 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725291247 523344 :bookworms!~bookworms@user/bookworms QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1725291248 807562 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1725291251 173558 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1725291252 430021 :jix!~jix@user/jix QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1725291299 290513 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can sometimes put a huge amount of effort into taking an easy-to-implement TC language (like Cyclic Tag) and trying to make a derivative that's marginally easier to implement, and still TC, but the effort is that often it's a lot harder to prove TCness (like with Acyclic Tag, Grill Tag or Echo Tag, which are cyclic tag with added restrictions that make it easier to implement in some languages)
< 1725291337 452641 :bookworms!~bookworms@user/bookworms JOIN #esolangs bookworms :bookworms
< 1725291337 453019 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname
< 1725291337 458049 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space JOIN #esolangs * :shikhin
< 1725291337 458090 :jix!~jix@user/jix JOIN #esolangs jix :Jannis Harder
< 1725291400 983680 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1725291493 37954 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Waterfall Model and Spiral Rise seem to be my best discoveries in terms of being TC yet easy to implement in esolangs and other low-powered languages
< 1725291496 503240 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey ais523: do you think it would be possible to construct a computational model(or comp class) that matches not's power
< 1725291530 637194 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW "i would like to see a ocnfig creating esolang" => I think there was one of those. IIRC it wasn't just turing-complete but had full access to C-level userspace, and used a syntax where commands were made of an opcode byte plus usually two register names, and I think the registers were named of the 52 ascii letters and maybe more but
< 1725291531 137464 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :partitioned to like 6 groups with fixed type traditional fortran style
< 1725291540 219704 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm probably misremembering most of this
< 1725291566 595595 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh hey, here it is => https://esolangs.org/wiki/Scrip7
< 1725291568 262017 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725291584 862391 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one thing I noticed is that Not is almost a subset of Underload: it has (1) * : S (¶)S (in Underload syntax), plus an infinite loop which is expressible in Underload but isn't a simple command
< 1725291588 904430 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just had to search https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?search=configuration+floating&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go
< 1725291602 457298 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725291665 306611 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"the first version of the idea had seven registers in all 8 forms, and the author forgot that the alphabet has 26 letters, not 28"
< 1725291688 919052 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :xD
< 1725291696 781563 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :x]
< 1725291717 480824 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I think Not's computational class can be described like this: you have a counter that grows by a fixed amount at every iteration, and can output fixed strings of 1 and can also output the counter, but can't do anything else
< 1725291736 386236 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725291743 880919 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats not tc for sure
< 1725291744 372810 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: that makes me think that the esolang should just have added two more letters, œ and æ perhaps
< 1725291754 270266 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut
< 1725291760 961686 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you mean æ and ø
< 1725291775 975436 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :those are less symmetrical but easier to type
< 1725291793 688930 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1725291804 231277 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i mistype stuff with these so often loæ
< 1725291806 169644 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*lol
< 1725291867 15242 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: in the current form one of the code pointer (as in Script7 code, not C code) typed variables, named G, is the instruction pointer, the so the nice symmetry of 7 general purpose registers in each type would be broken again
< 1725291906 794014 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :œ and æ are the same???? right???
< 1725291912 109548 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also Script7 basically just *removed* the letters g h G H
< 1725291916 874970 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, one is a mix of an o and an e, the other is a mix of an a and an e
< 1725291934 161188 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they look so simileair
< 1725291947 749327 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :æ used to be used in some older English words, but nowadays is normally typed as "ae" or just "e"; œ is used in French
< 1725291962 482645 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in danish
< 1725291968 35692 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and norwegain
< 1725291973 802905 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and maybe swedish(idk)
< 1725291983 537146 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, swedish does not have æ
< 1725291999 275474 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :kk
< 1725292009 388433 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :icelandic uses æ though
< 1725292018 915635 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725292023 987725 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz denmark has it
< 1725292036 711213 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and we just f'ing do that to people ig
< 1725292100 402969 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :juts like denmark used to have norway
< 1725292245 663287 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway
> 1725292638 934890 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137834&oldid=137790 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+82) 10
< 1725292659 348983 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^^ progress has been made on the comp class
> 1725292798 798198 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137835&oldid=137834 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+68) 10
< 1725293051 187862 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what would you expect dis esolangs comp class to be?
< 1725293144 304446 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am not sure – my guess is that it's TC but it isn't obvious and I don't have a proof
< 1725293153 908403 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725293155 547157 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :same here
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> 1725293340 999591 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Instructistuctisurcticitstucrit14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137836 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+774) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}}instructistuctisurcticitstucrit is a language where you have to code in one program to code in another etc. to finally get to [[brainfuck]]. == how it works == code a [[befunge program]]  read the stack:  ...987654321  where 1 is
> 1725293355 234919 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Instructistuctisurcticitstucrit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137837&oldid=137836 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+0) 10
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< 1725294177 290270 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wonder
< 1725294182 263649 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tho
< 1725294185 845478 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what it could be
< 1725294190 681462 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmmm
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< 1725294856 896937 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey also ais523 can you understand rectangle now?
< 1725294958 530837 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I understand it a bit better
< 1725294969 913460 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yay
< 1725294975 117403 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs ::D
< 1725294982 680481 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't really thought about how to program in it, though
< 1725294991 480901 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725294995 223678 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also
< 1725295025 599911 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have a question about Is It Art?. would it be possible to construct a program that always accepts input
< 1725295071 14664 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think so, one simple way is to have all the pieces rectangular and all having letters that represent input on them
< 1725295088 323908 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it isn't I/O complete because if input X maps to output Y, then input XX maps to output YY
< 1725295106 541715 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, you could just dedicated some symbol to "end of input" to work around that
< 1725295125 975399 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* dedicate
< 1725295126 954932 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool
< 1725295150 38664 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :could we maybe tro to create that program??
< 1725295247 234659 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or...
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< 1725295671 829294 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space CHGHOST ~shikhin :offtopia/offtopian
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> 1725295990 442509 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/befunge scripts14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137838 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+346) 10Created page with "unincluding the [[user:tommyaweosmalt|one i made on my alt]]:  == hello world! ==                  v   v"hello world!"<  @,,,,,,<   >,,,,,^ == program that ends itself with no @ in sight ==  88*60p  == fizzbuzz (looks like cherries) ==    &
< 1725296245 81659 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just got a f'ing stupid idea
< 1725296258 340093 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for a esolang
< 1725296470 818307 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can i get feedback?
< 1725296540 766064 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: My intention was to use a small keyboard not much bigger than a telephone keypad, although I am not sure which orientation will be best. (I also did not think lowercase will be needed for the use of this kind of keyboard, and that it is not intended for when you have a full keyboard available but for when you use a small keyboad without too many keys.)
< 1725296583 639787 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: sure
< 1725296592 748773 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx!
< 1725296595 492831 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the idea was
< 1725296636 694748 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that whats the program does is it modifies itself
< 1725296642 220331 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and not like emmental
< 1725296659 539110 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like it modifies the WAY its compiler works
< 1725296698 51026 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are a lot of self-modifying languages on the wiki already, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Self-modifying – you could look at some of those for inspiration or to see if your idea's already been done
< 1725296711 712048 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it just fro goes into the compiler and just modifies the code
< 1725296721 559117 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not thta kind of self modifying
< 1725296728 460097 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow, 319, I don't have all of those memorised (yet, or probably ever)
< 1725296746 738225 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that there are probably some that replace the interpreter already
< 1725296753 881820 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725296757 257979 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :editing it rather than replacing it is a bit rarer, though
< 1725296768 850543 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i dont mean something like: make dis command do dis code
< 1725296773 495619 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like in emmental
< 1725296786 550395 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i mean that it actually modifies the code that inteprets the program
< 1725296823 37990 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the problem with that is, if you are just editing the interpreter rather than just outright replacing it, you would need to specify what language the interpreter is written in, to be able to edit it
< 1725296834 611201 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725296846 504745 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe you could do *two layer* interpretation
< 1725296866 47677 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, there is the potential problem that the program might edit the interpreter to just do everything on its own without even looking at the program
< 1725296880 314613 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725296883 804860 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you'd effectively be programming in the outer language rather than in the esolang
< 1725296891 888215 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1725296897 518547 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it coul prop be made better
< 1725296962 10489 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what if like the memory was the intepreter
< 1725296971 223511 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1725297009 448596 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe what you want is an esoteric programming style in an existing language
< 1725297026 489871 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :?wut?
< 1725297026 501942 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Unknown command, try @list
< 1725297033 914386 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sentence made no sense to me
< 1725297047 853177 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, imagine a Python library that just alters bytes in memory directly, and only the bytes that correspond to the Python interpreter's memory image
< 1725297065 466473 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and all the language can do is "set byte X to value Y"
< 1725297072 427110 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725297081 336761 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where dis idea comes from is from 90
< 1725297084 365708 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I think it might be uninteresting because people would just write a small machine code program that did all the work itself
< 1725297100 162306 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :90 works around the problem by not letting you add code, you can only delete it
< 1725297113 442992 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would be cool
< 1725297116 298386 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :WAIT IDEA
< 1725297117 848401 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what if
< 1725297122 469849 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the esolang is its own CPU
< 1725297132 863417 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then the bytes wont have the prblem of the computer
< 1725297143 161946 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then what is running the program?
< 1725297144 54930 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it woudlnt have the problem 90
< 1725297164 580957 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: and itepret which in intepreting the cpu which is interpeting the esolang
< 1725297204 865706 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so does the esolang change the CPU?
< 1725297213 934881 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1725297218 598980 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ik im insane
< 1725297224 179379 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or more precisly
< 1725297230 642310 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it modifies the cpus compiler for it
< 1725297236 262756 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow dis is confusing
< 1725297266 881999 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I have used the tools that are used to compile CPUs (rather than compiling software) – placing all the transistors and the like is very hard by hand, so computers are used to do it
> 1725297268 226614 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Instructistuctisurcticitstucrit14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137839&oldid=137837 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+143) 10Categories
< 1725297279 349631 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but they're generally closed-source and awkward to use, with bad interfaces
< 1725297295 724640 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725297298 323982 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also
> 1725297301 936581 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BuzzFish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137840&oldid=137832 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10Category
< 1725297314 997251 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idc about how computationally possible it is
< 1725297322 695005 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like if its hard to compile or whatever
< 1725297325 192741 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idc:)
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> 1725298193 925235 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BuzzFizz14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137844&oldid=137718 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+22) 10Category
< 1725298300 683456 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I guess the obvious LBA task that BuzzFizz cannot accomplish without tweaking the input is reading a sequence of numbers in {1,2} and output them in reverse.
< 1725298391 47038 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The standard organization can be made from some common conventions (e.g. RFC 2119) as well as uncommon conventions. Furthermore, they should be made 100% public domain They should be made in a way that can use a simple protocol and simple file (e.g. plain ASCII files) since otherwise it is difficult to access the file that you cannot know without reading the specification first.
> 1725298421 704904 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BuzzFish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137845&oldid=137840 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+17) 10
< 1725298469 509594 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are several of "small web protocols" (I made a document which a list of them and some brief descriptions). If you need virtual hosting, then Nightfall Express won't do, and Gopher without TLS also won't do. Gopher with TLS has a problem due to how the gopher menu is made, but you could use a DNS record to specify that TLS is required if you do not have version 6 internet.
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< 1725298571 193786 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: it possibly can if it takes them as digits of a single number? although that program seems like a pain to write
< 1725298571 630727 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it a good idea tho?
< 1725298596 663547 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it would take too much effort to do well, and wouldn't really want to see it done badly
< 1725298617 673570 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :awwwww
< 1725298625 9450 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well
< 1725298688 735425 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know if they had considered using DNS records to avoid that problem of using gopher with TLS.
< 1725298823 627119 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yeah that'll work... encode your input using only non-zero digits in a suitable base; do the same for the output (you can set aside a dedicated counter for accumulating the output). Also, yes, painful.
< 1725298840 986645 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: for making the cpu i could just uselike idk assembly
< 1725298845 243080 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*use like
< 1725298938 209462 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The DNS record can also specify that TLS is available but is not required even with version 4 internet, in case you do not need virtual hosting.)
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< 1725300885 39854 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I have seen gopher servers that require version 6 internet (I think it is the gopher server for INTERCAL), and I don't know if this might be why.)
< 1725300889 783169 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Do you know?)
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< 1725302084 194489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The server may not have an IPv4 address. They often cost extra these days.
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< 1725302301 414672 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :They did have a HTTP server with a version 4 address though.
< 1725302816 238156 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It could be the lack of name-based virtual hosting (HTTP has a Host: header after version 1.1 I think?; Gopher doesn't have anything like that). Or there could be a 
< 1725302827 838409 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Err... Or there could be no technical reason at all.
< 1725303137 117616 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, maybe there is no reason and they just did it, although lack of virtual hosting is also what I had mentioned; however, virtual hosting will be possible with TLS.
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< 1725303631 592827 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :But with version 6 internet, I would expect that they will have enough addresses that name-based virtual hosting will not be needed, I think.
< 1725303742 447296 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, protocols with virtual hosting can also be set up with servers with version 4 internet that can be forwarded to the appropriate version 6 addresses. In some cases TLS will be required for doing this but sometimes it can be done without TLS (although gopher isn't one of them).
< 1725303757 192111 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I think two things you'll want to decide about the keyboard is (1) the typical largest set of fingers that users are expected to type on it, eg. on a qwerty keyboard you can use all fingers on both hands; on typical small mobile phone keypads you use just one finger; on some small keypads you'd use two thumbs; some calculators you can use with either one thumb when handheld, or one finger each 
< 1725303763 221593 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :from one hand if you put the calculator down onto a desk; 
< 1725303961 52737 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(2) and how it processes the keydown and keyup events: for a normal keyboard you usually only care about keydown of non-modifier keys, and the up or down status of modifiers at the moment when the non-modifier is pressed, you ignore keyups of non-modifier keys and ignore the up/down status of modifiers at all other times; a mobile phone keypad usually only cares about keydowns and only when no other key 
< 1725303967 59355 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is pressed, you then have to release all keys simultaneously before you can press a new key, this is a good way to ignore the effects of most accidental fat fingerings; while I think a stegano keyboard allows you to press the keys in a chord in any order, and goes to the next syllable when you release all the normal keys
< 1725303988 929760 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course (2) can be decided in software in any case.
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< 1725304588 979325 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, that is valid to consider. For (2), I did think to do that all keys must be released before it is worked and another keys can be entered, but I did not consider (1).
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< 1725319866 511160 :bookworms!~bookworms@user/bookworms PART #esolangs :Need to rub my bum along the carpet...
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< 1725324130 45950 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:4719:c0b3:8059:79bb QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
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< 1725333315 269304 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can make up a way for name-based forwarding of connections, which may be helpful in several cases, e.g. forwarding from a version 4 to several version 6, sharing on a single computer with the same address where multiple servers may be running, forwarding to a computer that is not directly connected to the internet, forwarding through a reverse connection in case they cannot listen directly, etc. 
< 1725333366 787579 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, as far as I have found, SSH does not have virtual hosting. Do you know why they did not add that, even though TLS does have virtual hosting?
< 1725333583 921192 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(or is that wrong?)
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< 1725335852 922186 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It can be done directly by reading the client's request, before the server sends to the client, with:  TLS, HTTP, Spartan, Scorpion (unencrypted).   For some protocols it would require handling some of the functions in between, which means that it is not suitable for all uses, but might sometimes work for some uses, such as:  SMTP, NNTP, IRC.
< 1725336390 646559 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you like "Movie decimal system" which can be like a Dewey decimal systems, but with TV shows and movies
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< 1725339215 685395 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I gather that SSH supports key dispatch at the protocol level, although I don't know how often it's implemented. It doesn't need vhosts; it has vkeys.
< 1725339282 704424 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Key dispatch can be hacked with e.g. OpenSSH on Linux by creating users whose login shells execute a fixed action, and then doing per-user key dispatch. Don't laugh -- this is how git-push works with forges!)
< 1725339878 314876 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello
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< 1725340597 600969 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, but can it work if you do not already have a key (e.g. if it is a public service that does not require a password or a key to log in)?
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< 1725349039 239422 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: ssh has *client-side* virtual hosting: you can easily configure it to use fake hostnames, set any options including the actual hostname to connect to based on the hostname. I've done that many years ago, though I'm not using it right now. This is convenient because then you can use those hostnames in programs that use ssh as a lower-level program to access remote hosts, such as rsync or svn. 
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> 1725363331 647166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137893 5* 03None1 5* (+3698) 10Created page with "{{lang|a=User:None1|f=an esolang which uses English abbrevations for tokens}} ==Syntax== In the Syntax column, \n represents line feeds.  Tokens are case insensitive. {| class="wikitable" ! Token !! Meaning in English (If you wonder) !! Syntax !! What it does |- | lo
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> 1725363762 574706 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137894&oldid=137893 5* 03None1 5* (-1) 10/* Syntax */
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> 1725365119 1068 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137895&oldid=137878 5* 03None1 5* (-58) 10/* P */
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> 1725365168 134718 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137896&oldid=137886 5* 03None1 5* (+77) 10/* General languages */
> 1725365282 661784 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137897&oldid=137887 5* 03None1 5* (+64) 10/* My Esolangs */
> 1725365429 108921 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137898&oldid=137894 5* 03None1 5* (+8) 10/* Syntax */
> 1725365492 286050 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137899&oldid=137898 5* 03None1 5* (+42) 10/* Fibonacci (recursion) */
> 1725365527 688553 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137900&oldid=137899 5* 03None1 5* (+34) 10/* Syntax */
> 1725365561 814491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137901&oldid=137900 5* 03None1 5* (+2) 10/* Syntax */
> 1725365578 160979 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137902&oldid=137901 5* 03None1 5* (-2) 10/* Syntax */
> 1725365610 429700 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137903&oldid=137902 5* 03None1 5* (+1) 10/* Fibonacci (recursion) */
> 1725365623 854023 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137904&oldid=137903 5* 03None1 5* (+0) 10/* Fibonacci (recursion) */
> 1725365642 989140 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137905&oldid=137904 5* 03None1 5* (+7) 10/* Fibonacci (recursion) */
> 1725365687 135754 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137906&oldid=137905 5* 03None1 5* (+46) 10/* Truth Machine */
> 1725365722 420824 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137907&oldid=137906 5* 03None1 5* (-2) 10/* Truth Machine */
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> 1725367988 209782 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02Uyjhmn--/Brainfuck interpreter10]] to [[Opal]]
> 1725368079 108441 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Opal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137910&oldid=137908 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10
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> 1725368204 428476 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137911&oldid=137907 5* 03None1 5* (+57) 10/* Examples */
> 1725368236 789934 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137912&oldid=137911 5* 03None1 5* (-9) 10/* Standard library */
> 1725368360 793539 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137913&oldid=137912 5* 03None1 5* (+74) 10/* Examples */
> 1725368400 810177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A+B Problem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137914&oldid=135625 5* 03None1 5* (+89) 10/* Powershell */
> 1725368741 960594 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137915&oldid=137913 5* 03None1 5* (+2) 10/* Fibonacci (recursion) */
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> 1725369145 964892 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137916&oldid=137915 5* 03None1 5* (-10) 10
> 1725369286 921997 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PostScriptum14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137917&oldid=137916 5* 03None1 5* (+363) 10
> 1725369663 27809 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Palindrome14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137918&oldid=47145 5* 03None1 5* (+126) 10/* External resources */
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> 1725372857 540488 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137919 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+752) 10Created page with "{{Stub}}  WhatLang is a stack-based programming language created by [[User:YufangTSTSU]] (Yufang). Written in TypeScript, its first interpreter is a private (not published on ''npm'') plugin for [https://koishi.chat Koishi], a bot framework for QQ and other instant me
> 1725372870 92839 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137920&oldid=137895 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+15) 10/* W */
> 1725372952 792088 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137921&oldid=137919 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+61) 10
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< 1725375989 122828 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :somebody made a frickin Not intepret. wow
< 1725377402 198981 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot's gone missing again. :/
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< 1725377447 251301 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: You're such a flaky bot.
< 1725377447 959299 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: no time for it. actually good hacker practice imho. not about that.
< 1725377500 603054 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wuts goin on?
< 1725377869 407192 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It's just one of those bots.)
< 1725377886 650243 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we have bots????
< 1725377936 363111 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal#.23Esoteric > The channel is visited by a large number of bots (some of which come and go), including fungot, HackEso, EgoBot, lambdabot, thutubot, metasepia, idris-bot, myndzi, jconn, j-bot, bfbot, velik, and esolangs (irc).
< 1725377936 718810 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: filled in my fnord are working on scheme :( mind you that pakistan is 140 million fnord country with fnord of
< 1725377949 65859 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Many of them have departed though.
< 1725377966 367596 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh ok
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< 1725378749 746787 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i got a ping buyt idk wut it was.anybody who mentioned me?
< 1725378752 133539 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*but
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< 1725381507 36138 :Ae!Ae@linux.touz.org NICK :Guest4194
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> 1725382873 979381 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Word worm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137922&oldid=137492 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+81) 10
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< 1725386035 471299 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you think?:
< 1725386035 972438 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Byte
< 1725386632 724893 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's art.
< 1725386633 488757 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait i wont have time
< 1725386641 720569 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx korvo
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> 1725387981 363697 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03OllyBritton 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Fibonacci example.png10]]"
> 1725388612 599074 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CALC14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137924 5* 03OllyBritton 5* (+11668) 10Created page with "== Language overview == '''CALC''' is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:OllyBritton]] based on the kinds of expression which a simple scientific calculator with memory allows. It was designed to demonstrate that the Casio FX-991EX can do arbitrary com
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> 1725388736 804786 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CALC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137926&oldid=137924 5* 03OllyBritton 5* (-32) 10
> 1725389008 315545 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Opal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137927&oldid=137910 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+180) 10
> 1725389062 710523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Over-Objective Programming Language (Opal)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137928&oldid=107081 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+31) 10
> 1725389151 502582 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CALC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137929&oldid=137926 5* 03OllyBritton 5* (-4) 10
> 1725389685 869088 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Opal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137930&oldid=137927 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+151) 10
> 1725389698 365798 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Not14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137931&oldid=137873 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+4) 10Amended the Common Lisp implementation's orthography.
< 1725390459 496429 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :G'Nite
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> 1725394235 84333 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137932&oldid=137921 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+2655) 10
> 1725394853 293723 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02LX10]] to [[Assembolge]]
> 1725394981 749317 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Assembolge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137935&oldid=137933 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-770) 10
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> 1725396935 647196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Opal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137936&oldid=137930 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10Categories
> 1725397169 859398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CALC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137937&oldid=137929 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+78) 10/* Implementations */ Categories
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< 1725397861 961352 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a TLS extension to include a ASN.1 data with an error condition?
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> 1725399324 135386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Shriansh 5*  10New user account
> 1725399386 978128 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:202714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137938&oldid=137871 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (-37) 10no u
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> 1725410712 170025 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Fortran14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137940 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+238) 10Created page with "help this page doesnt exist and no proof of it existing exists plsplsplspslplspls add it back ~~~~"
< 1725412036 485456 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:2518:8d2e:ed88:a3e1 QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
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> 1725416009 135566 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Boolshit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137941&oldid=108195 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (-27) 10uncomputable so obviously unimplementable
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> 1725427189 249183 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137942&oldid=137939 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (-7) 10
> 1725429502 974091 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fortran14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137943 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+106) 10Created page with "{{serious|URL=Fortran}} {{stub}}  [[Category:Languages]] [[Category:Before 1993]] [[Category:Implemented]]"
> 1725429540 568263 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:202714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137944&oldid=137938 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+60) 10
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> 1725436419 447595 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 035cover 5*  10New user account
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> 1725436903 940398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137950&oldid=137856 5* 035cover 5* (+104) 10Introduced myself
> 1725437590 884987 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137951&oldid=137949 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+1993) 10
> 1725438558 571581 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137952&oldid=137951 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (-128) 10
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< 1725450495 548518 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey guys
> 1725450895 584967 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category talk:Unimplemented14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137954&oldid=137779 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+133) 10
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> 1725451624 95834 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137956&oldid=137835 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-1) 10
< 1725451765 952429 :amby!~ambylastn@2a00:23c5:ce05:7801:49a:4e2e:fc98:83d4 JOIN #esolangs * :realname
> 1725453445 685664 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DueToTechnicalReasons 5*  10New user account
< 1725453502 53428 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im bored and i have no dieas fo a esolang
< 1725453505 983255 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :any ideas?
< 1725453515 375548 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*ideas
> 1725453577 87781 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137957&oldid=137956 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10
< 1725454878 472527 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yah
< 1725454880 712037 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :steal
< 1725454883 127961 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :badly
< 1725454889 822585 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut?
< 1725454967 431667 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname
> 1725455043 249550 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainhook14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137958 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+583) 10Created page with "'''Brainhook''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] to minimize [[Brainfuck]] == memory == memory is a tape the continues to the right forever. the tape pointer moves right every command. each cell is 6 bit and wrap(so if 0 is decremented its set to 63) == com
< 1725455058 392009 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you mean sprout?
< 1725455460 301089 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you asked for ideas, I gave you one
< 1725455473 506763 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is the diea
< 1725455475 428486 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*idea
< 1725455478 448828 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im very confused
< 1725455817 210031 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :to steal another idea
< 1725455943 342506 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don wanna steal somebodys else's idea
< 1725455983 114039 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ideas are commons!
< 1725456008 480701 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ik
< 1725456025 604376 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but even if its already made i want it to be orgiginal
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< 1725456639 278300 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also if you said somethin
< 1725456642 428451 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was lost to me
< 1725456654 516222 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so could you maybe resend sprout
> 1725456958 791587 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137959&oldid=137776 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+471) 10
> 1725457421 38619 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Translated JNTM14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137960 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+510) 10Created page with "..."
> 1725457560 459923 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BFInfinity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137961&oldid=134105 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (-289) 10
> 1725457776 860227 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137962&oldid=136936 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+9) 10
> 1725457817 212124 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ORK/None1 again214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137963&oldid=137017 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+71) 10
> 1725458576 521457 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CALC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137964&oldid=137937 5* 03OllyBritton 5* (+367) 10
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> 1725458991 146967 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ZeroDivisionError: Division by 0/NoQuine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137965 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1109) 10Created page with "''ZeroDivisionError: Division by 0/NoQuine'' is designed by PSTF and based on [[ZeroDivisionError: Division by 0]] which is inspired by [[SyntaxError: invalid syntax]] which is inspired by [[foo : The term 'foo' is not recognized a
> 1725459010 299647 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ZeroDivisionError: Division by 014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137966&oldid=133832 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+47) 10
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> 1725459463 637301 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137968&oldid=137769 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+251) 10I see.(For the previous operation by AIS523)
> 1725459709 530829 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PrySigneToFry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137969&oldid=137565 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+296) 10
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< 1725461665 235587 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can  gte feedback on it?
< 1725461908 190987 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i can give the full idea
< 1725462607 967591 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if any of you want
> 1725462830 416346 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Fortran14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137970&oldid=137940 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+161) 10
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< 1725464904 305311 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: What do you want to accomplish?
< 1725464958 557174 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a esolang where you do crafting like in meincraft be deifnin g what things craft to what
< 1725465087 775183 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fun! It sounds like the main thing to build would be a book of recipes.
< 1725465106 798023 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725465113 636867 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but what if you could modify it?
< 1725465118 289398 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like stirng rewriting
< 1725465123 915308 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but as minecraft crafting
< 1725465162 993307 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yea
< 1725465173 94233 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im makign am md doc of the book
< 1725465179 794272 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i would like help:)
< 1725465982 335657 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1725465985 29144 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill send a link to the page korvo then you can check it out
< 1725465987 45109 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe
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< 1725466690 803201 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :did somebody say somethin to me?
< 1725466695 527562 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i disconected
< 1725466700 39125 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and wanted to know
< 1725466985 475800 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :curent progress korvo: https://hackmd.io/@idkleftoutsidekkk/ryM0QbI3C
< 1725467669 406197 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: there were no messages while you were connected
< 1725467690 106796 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can see all the messages in the log, e.g. today's is https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-09-04.html
< 1725467703 643248 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lots of people here look at the log in order to reply to comments made while they weren't here
> 1725467832 971731 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Fortran10]]": no content, has never had useful content  don't create useless pages just to turn blue links red, it's possible that the link should be unlinked, but even when it shouldn't be, you should leave page creation to someone who has something to say
< 1725467841 242546 :fowl!~fowl@user/fowl PRIVMSG #esolangs :my new programming language will have first-class telemetry. still working out the details
> 1725467888 397002 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Fortran14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137971&oldid=137970 5* 03Ais523 5* (+334) 10page was created empty, and I have deleted it
> 1725467955 284187 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Category:202710]]": it doesn't make sense to create future year categories early if doing so is simply going to inspire edit wars
> 1725468022 334327 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/protect14]]4 protect10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10protected "[[Category:2026 [create=sysop] (expires 16:40, 4 September 2025 (UTC))]]": protect future year categories until closer to the date, they tend to inspire useless pages and/or edit wars
> 1725468050 263900 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/protect14]]4 protect10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10protected "[[Category:2027 [create=sysop] (expires 16:40, 4 September 2026 (UTC))]]": protect future year categories until closer to the date, they tend to inspire useless pages and/or edit wars
> 1725468073 402856 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/protect14]]4 protect10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10protected "[[Category:2028 [create=sysop] (expires 16:41, 4 September 2027 (UTC))]]": protect future year categories until closer to the date, they tend to inspire useless pages and/or edit wars
> 1725468104 256777 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/protect14]]4 protect10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10protected "[[Category:2029 [create=sysop] (expires 16:41, 4 September 2028 (UTC))]]": protect future year categories until closer to the date, they tend to inspire useless pages and/or edit wars
< 1725468129 528754 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fowl: in the sense that you can use telemetry as the argument and/or return value of a function?
> 1725468153 766051 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/protect14]]4 protect10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10protected "[[Category:2030 [create=sysop] (expires 16:42, 4 September 2029 (UTC))]]": protect future year categories until closer to the date, they tend to inspire useless pages and/or edit wars
< 1725468221 515855 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's kind-of mindboggling to imagine telemetry *not* being a special case, given that it seems to be a different kind of thing that the values and types that programs normally work with
< 1725468612 363016 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm not saying that this is a bad idea – just that I'm interested to see how you'll accomplish it)
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< 1725469009 655124 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I'm getting a 403, sorry.
< 1725469050 183176 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I happen to be one of the Minecraft reverse engineers. I can tell you that the MC protocol supports a fairly flexible extension of crafting behaviors; it's not hard-coded.
< 1725469054 473313 :ajal!~ambylastn@host86-133-141-214.range86-133.btcentralplus.com NICK :amby
< 1725469084 479121 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The protocol lets a server tell a client to open up a modal box. There's hardcoded modals for crafting, furnaces, etc. but also freeform chest-like modals.
< 1725469144 488389 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The client and server can move objects around in the modal, and each movement (each mouse click, each drag-n-drop, etc.) sends an event from client to server. Also the server can force-change anything about the modal, like moving objects on their own.
< 1725469203 827364 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :One of my early experiments was a sort of combination lock. The client attempts to open a chest/door. The server sends them a mostly-empty modal containing e.g. six colored wool blocks.
< 1725469226 543593 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The client has to drag them into the right locations on the modal, upon which the server instantly closes the modal and opens the door or spawns the chest modal.
< 1725469234 656220 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(If you've played Riven...)
< 1725469264 799428 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Anyway, it sounds like you're hard at work. When you're ready to share stuff publically, let me know and I'll have a look.
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< 1725470044 311838 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :kk
< 1725470054 425557 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill try to fix the 403
< 1725470104 276372 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://hackmd.io/@idkleftoutsidekkk/ryM0QbI3C
< 1725470108 829181 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :resent korvo
< 1725470115 199020 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :should work now
< 1725470196 484855 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( window.GOOGLE_DRIVE_API_KEY = 'AIzaSyAHmcP5gL_64ZafuAYOvJruFAIaYgHQaY4' )
< 1725470213 720813 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut the hell
< 1725470306 655753 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :just looking at the source code of that blank page :-P
< 1725470323 614 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what blank page
< 1725470350 575985 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It might be less blank if I enabled Javascript. I don't know.
< 1725470363 68458 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what page????
< 1725470367 535224 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :your link
> 1725470491 456002 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Fortran14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=137972&oldid=137971 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+175) 10
< 1725470503 834787 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the hell
< 1725470530 770896 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i can see
< 1725470532 297854 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it
< 1725470555 575677 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's hopefully a read-only API key. :-P
< 1725470571 894240 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf
< 1725470588 214224 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i will make google doc
< 1725470589 214094 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ig
< 1725470594 351990 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :since nobody can see it lol
< 1725470595 275694 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :don't worry about it
< 1725470600 765680 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1725470602 872318 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why?
< 1725470642 496430 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have Javascript disabled by default. A lot of stuff doesn't work without Javascript. It makes me sad but... oh well.
< 1725470654 174254 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh ok
< 1725470675 582229 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its just also korvok cant see it
< 1725470687 747999 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :That was before?
< 1725470703 615309 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725470709 127457 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can say that it's no longer s 403.
< 1725470717 988127 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/ s / a /
< 1725470732 146490 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut
< 1725470768 171510 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I use two browsers, one with JS disabled, one with JS enabled but which wipes localstorage and cookies regularly
< 1725470785 28094 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :smart
< 1725470787 663849 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs ::D
< 1725470803 292443 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and use the JS-disabled one for most browsing (I do enable JS on it on a case-by-case basis for websites which don't abuse it, like Wikipedia and Esolang)
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< 1725470854 88130 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I have a third browser for testing that websites render correctly cross-browser, and a fourth browser for use in the terminal
< 1725470884 721943 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus at least two browsers that I don't regularly use for anything (one of which is IE6, which I think I used once to test that a website would work in it)
< 1725470891 698190 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats a lot of brwser
< 1725470902 458743 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok thats enough browsers i think
< 1725470907 241489 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :holeeeo_o
< 1725470930 533371 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :three browsers I don't regularly use for anything, I forgot I had Konqueror installed
< 1725470953 409999 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do have a lot of browsers, I think I use even more text editors than that though
< 1725470985 276629 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how
< 1725470989 775091 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :holeee o_o
< 1725471223 727898 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :At least when it comes to the Google Drive API, I rather think API keys are entirely orthogonal to read-onlyness/read-writedness. Whether you can read or modify things depends on the relevant end-user credentials, usually through OAuth.
< 1725471262 748420 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im to stupid to understand that
< 1725471266 979661 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so immma ignore it ig
< 1725471318 152928 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Looking at the feature list of the website, I'm guessing that's there to enable a "save to Drive" / "import from Drive" feature.
< 1725471361 766272 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can you recommend an x11 volume control program for my debian desktop? ideally one that I can just install to debian 11 from a native package and then keep when I upgrade to debian 12 (or 13 if I'm too lazy). I don't have any special needs, but currently I'm using qasmixer and that keeps crashing, so I'd just like something that doesn't crash so often.
< 1725471454 467737 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Before PulseAudio/PipeWire, I used to just use that TUI thing, what's it called, `alsamixer`, with a thing that opened a new terminal for it.
< 1725471484 968211 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you glue a text-mode program to a terminal emulator, it counts as an X11 program.
< 1725471502 60596 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: There's a GOOGLE_DRIVE_CLIENT_ID as well. API credentials just are something that I don't really expect to see in client side JS code. But they may be fine. It's really more of a surprise than something I'll actually worry about.
< 1725471601 822004 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for browser, I primarily use firefox, the debian-modified version on my home machine and stock firefox on my Windows work machine. I have sometimes used extra Firefox profiles for a few things: I had one that uses the library's proxy to access parts of some paywalled publishing sites, I don't have the library subscription now but I'm not nuking it because I may use the same one in the future when I 
< 1725471607 828435 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :resubscribe. 
< 1725471694 151814 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Long ago during my previous job I used to have a separate profile just to separate an in-house developped website to a separate process because it sometimes just consumed all resources and froze firefox. These days firefox has better built-in separation so that might not be necessary, though I still sometimes meet cases when the whole Firefox process hangs.
< 1725471730 899384 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The "client ID" (in that context, anyway) is an OAuth2 concept, where it indicates the "client" (i.e., a specific website), for things like the auth/consent flow, so that it can show the correct details in the "do you want to let Frobnozz access your account" dialog.
< 1725471744 291067 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or something along those lines, I find modern webdev real hard to follow.
< 1725471746 285301 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I occasionally use Chrome or (at work only) IE to test if a website is only broken on Firefox or only with my Firefox plugins or it's just broken regardless of browser.
< 1725471903 852981 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :These days I just use Chrome, because, well, you know. With separate profiles for banking stuff and normal web browsing, for what little good that probably does. And then once in a blue moon re-check a website in Firefox to see if it's only broken on Chrome, but that seems to happen a lot less often than the other way around.
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< 1725471951 198068 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: IE, not Edge?
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< 1725472004 29309 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: uh yeah, it's probably actually Edge these days. I never specifically installed IE or Edge, it only comes up when I'm trying something from a machine other than my work laptop and it doesn't yet have firefox or chrome installed
< 1725472067 552876 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's getting quite rare these days, we just have chromium installed even on production windows machines that aren't even supposed to run a browser during production
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< 1725473122 102737 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wwwww: I wonder whether this could be implemented as a Thue program or similar. The idea is that a general-purpose string-rewriter, if we feed it a special interpreter program, becomes a customized string-rewriter for your language and application.
< 1725473154 384771 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So you'd feed in your special interpreter, followed by your list of crafting recipes, and finally the user-level crafting program.
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< 1725489111 510389 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you call a triangle a dodecagon, is it equilateral?
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< 1725496036 281066 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that you should still continue to make up the standard organization. I also think that there can be the classification of e.g. programming languages, mathematics, character sets, file formats, electrical wiring, protocols, documents which are made as jokes, etc. I also think that a discussion can be made up, perhaps with IRC and NNTP. Furthermore, make it fully public domain.
< 1725496064 209117 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Many people in this IRC can be included, but also possibly some other people such as Knuth and Tom7.
< 1725496115 668613 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Furthermore: "The sad fact of the matter is that people play politics with standards to gain commercial advantage, and the result is that end users suffer the consequences. This is the case with character encoding for computer systems, and it is even more the case with HDTV." Therefore, these standards should be made to mitigate this things, by making different standards for character codes and televisions.
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> 1725500049 66221 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Braincraft14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=137989 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+1203) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}}braincraft is brainfuck but updates happen like minecraft. == updates == === 1.0 - barebones === the additions for 1.0 are:  + increments the cell under pointer by 1  - decrements the cell under pointer by 1  x squares the cell under pointer  [ jump
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> 1725543926 697822 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated Drive-In Window14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138009 5* 03None1 5* (+1619) 10Created page with "'''Translated Drive-In Window''' is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]]. It is [[Drive-In Window]] but horribly translated.  1. Program 
 Hi, welcome to Spill_The_Beans. Here is a menu.  Vodka: $50  Here are your sides.  Truth Serum: $2  May I tak
> 1725543940 882732 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Windows14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138010 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1281) 10Created page with "'''Windows''' or ''''''(aka '''swodniW''') is an esolang inspierd by [['xxx' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.|dmc]], [[bash: foo: No such file or directory|hasB]], foo : The term 'foo' is not recognized as the n
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< 1725544032 171871 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaaa i cant stop thinking about a consistency checking esolang. i have some ideas tho...
< 1725544049 672416 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also if i make it ill make the syntax uiua style syntax
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< 1725544135 40233 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :should i do it?
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> 1725546630 76343 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blues++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138018&oldid=137995 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+45) 10Stub, Wikipedia links, categories
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< 1725554673 424911 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where there a log of today?
< 1725554677 751141 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait
< 1725554679 687546 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i see it
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> 1725556414 220688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138024&oldid=138023 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+35) 10
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> 1725557530 599164 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wiki/pedia/.org14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138025 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+522) 10Created page with "'''Wiki/pedia/.org'''(pronounced '''Wikipedia dot org''') is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] based on the [[Wikipedia:Getting to Philosophy|Philosophy Game]] == semantics / syntax == the program structure:  / wikipedia page name(in 19.30, 5. september 2
< 1725557550 598365 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^^what do you think of dis esolang?
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> 1725557702 299383 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138027&oldid=137831 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+22) 10
> 1725557709 469207 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wiki/pedia/.org14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138028&oldid=138026 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-30) 10
> 1725558297 859367 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kava14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138029&oldid=137982 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10/* Truth-machine */
> 1725558454 575167 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kava14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138030&oldid=138029 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+11) 10/* Commands */
> 1725558706 35031 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138031&oldid=137505 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+147) 10/* Karma */
> 1725558838 713531 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kava14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138032&oldid=138030 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+44) 10/* Commands */
> 1725558899 786889 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wiki/pedia/.org14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138033&oldid=138028 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+52) 10
> 1725558976 642309 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kava14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138034&oldid=138032 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* Truth-machine */
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> 1725566444 162226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138045&oldid=138044 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+57) 10
> 1725566486 887681 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138046&oldid=138042 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+47) 10
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> 1725567758 543806 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138049&oldid=138048 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+0) 10
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< 1725591264 289824 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm about to add the URL https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Cat to a page. fizzie, would you please consider adding this to the interwiki list? I figure that they are potential friends, and I know some of them are alright folks.
< 1725591326 125091 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure how much we even use the interwiki list – there are a few uses of wikipedia: but I think consensus is for the prefix to be visible
< 1725591469 533581 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the external link might be more useful even if the internal link is added to the list? it isn't obvious to me that "concatenative:Cat" (internal link) is more useful than "Cat at concatenative.org" (external link) for readers
< 1725591473 129020 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I dimly remember fizzie adding something for me, likely the Lojban wiki. I just thought it'd be a neighborly thing, that's all.
< 1725591506 603162 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no objections to it being on the list, just don't think the change would do anything
< 1725591544 195584 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also, what is that wiki's name? it has a URL but doesn't appear to have a visible name anywhere, e.g. the homepage title is "Front Page")
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< 1725591571 326033 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also, I wonder whether I should add Underload)
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< 1725591624 802613 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's called "the concatenative languages wiki". I guess I should start idling in their channel again.
< 1725591732 949878 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cat(1) can also be interpreted as a programming language (https://esolangs.org/wiki/Text)
< 1725591747 572629 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that's three languages which could plausibly be called "cat"
< 1725591764 215804 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION vaguely wonders how many plausible extensions you need to add to cat(1) to make it Turing-complete

< 1725591846 703285 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did once find a denial-of-service bug in xterm where you could cat a particular sequence of bytes into the terminal and it would enter an infinite loop – does that make Text non-total? (I reported it, and it's been fixed for ages)
< 1725592178 892594 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've asked in #concatenative. Once I get a response, I'll edit that page and I suppose add see-alsos for a few overlapping langs too.
< 1725592360 891305 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I am wondering whether Jelly is concatenative (assuming you ignore the rules for disambiguating ambiguous syntax, which take the entire line into account)
< 1725592384 726299 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it makes me think that there's a continuous range between fully concatenative and fully applicative, and Jelly is on the "mostly concatenative" location
< 1725592507 799441 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the thing that makes it not fully concatenative is that if a function has two arguments, you can't split the function from its adjacent argument, but you can split the function-argument pair from everything else
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< 1725593279 33858 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The way I think of it is that a language is generalized-concatenative if it's got a syntactic monoid, and the classical definition is when the monoid has "" as unit.
< 1725593393 967258 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or " " for some of them. Or maybe "\n" for sanity. And etc. It's become looser over time, but ISTR that something Cammy-shaped wouldn't ever fly because bracketing is an unacceptable complexity.
< 1725593398 717429 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BRB groceries.
< 1725593421 92742 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Jelly does have that (if you allow for its idiosyncratic way of showing precedence) but you can't split just anywhere
< 1725593481 806711 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in particular it doesn't seem to have or simulate a stack
< 1725593508 556934 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(except for the call stack)
< 1725593969 833722 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, yeah. Most concatenative languages don't allow splitting; that's something else entirely. Like, Forth doesn't allow splitting because of the interpreter/compiler modes.
< 1725593977 978758 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :To say nothing of ." quotation "
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< 1725614376 241783 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll just enable the Interwiki extension, that'll allow any sysop to edit the list + I don't have to run raw SQL insert statements. Looks like it comes bundled in the standard distribution nowadays.
< 1725614393 593432 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Sometime later today, currently at the dentist.)
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< 1725614497 623971 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :You know how people always refer to things disparagingly as "Big X", like there's Big Oil and Big Pharma and so on? I wonder if there's a group of people who believe a cabal of dentists is manipulating people, would that get called Big Tooth?
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< 1725635664 840470 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
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 their legs difficulty difficulty difficulty "Room" is a joke. Sadiraki Sara Sarachio's Luvanou It's a bit confusing. Orbis Repanos Pasciu
< 1725635944 722214 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey ais
< 1725636002 610684 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have a question to all of you. is the infinite loop a looping counter?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bijection
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< 1725636232 750161 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1725636497 198097 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I don't see how the "infinite loop" example is actually a loop – doesn't it become "{{}0}0" but with the instruction pointer at the end of the command?
< 1725636514 496756 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1725636527 653369 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i need to specify that it runs whats inside
< 1725636542 880171 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, that makes more sense
> 1725636546 498007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bijection14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138143&oldid=136694 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+31) 10
> 1725636550 473545 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comments14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138144&oldid=138137 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+496) 10Copyediting, category
< 1725636559 937090 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so {}n appends a copy of line n to what's inside the brackets, and then runs what's inside the brackets
< 1725636572 551475 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
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< 1725636643 610444 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it would be a looping counter right?
< 1725636667 919775 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm trying to work out how to get the exact triangle shape that's required
< 1725636684 534316 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wurt
< 1725636688 430420 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*Wut
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< 1725636694 379579 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the {}0 program isn't a looping counter because it grows exponentially, not triangularly
< 1725636701 482067 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea
< 1725636717 969956 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesnt it still proove it has more power than a LBA?
< 1725636754 125889 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it probably does, but it doesn't prove it because it doesn't prove there's a way to actually read the data that's being stored
< 1725636766 158243 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725636781 481150 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if it has to read data as a rule then. it would right?
< 1725636787 811892 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in this sort of language, finding a way to read data is often harder to find a way to write it
< 1725636799 340785 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725636835 204302 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would encourage you to leave the language the same, it's interesting as it is – or maybe change "append" to "prepend", that might be necessary to make control flow possible
< 1725636846 241499 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725636858 555130 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine a program like {{}0}1 \n x
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< 1725636889 714674 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my brain is proccesing that
< 1725636947 410934 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it wont let me
< 1725636948 410911 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1725636957 507531 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, I just realised this language doesn't have any sort of goto, so the only line that actually changes is the first one (until it finishes running), meaning that any TCness has to come from just a single line
< 1725636971 746889 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725636971 816700 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which might well be possible but it reduces the chance a bit
< 1725636986 158933 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless you do concurrency
< 1725636994 53428 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or only run the first line then the second so on
< 1725636999 907487 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then reruns until it halts
< 1725637108 858019 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, an implicit loop is also possible
< 1725637116 683893 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how?
< 1725637129 880016 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, I mean, what you were talking about is an implicit loop
< 1725637134 50552 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where the program starts again after reaching the end
< 1725637142 712107 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea
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> 1725637525 589234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138152&oldid=137109 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+609) 10/*  */ new section
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< 1725639260 211195 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i spesified some more
< 1725639299 268731 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think "no changes happen" is even possible, is it?
< 1725639314 73256 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
< 1725639318 240881 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuuuuuu
< 1725639321 810062 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless all the commands refer to blank lines, and if the program doesn't start in that state it can never reach that state
< 1725639328 434798 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what should i do to the halts
< 1725639334 985936 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how shall i halt
< 1725639338 62782 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i want to halt
< 1725639350 977430 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think, with a language like this, you should probably just resign yourself to it running indefinitely, and let people define their own halt state to prove TCness
< 1725639369 58685 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and when there is a proof that "it would be TC if behaviour X was treated as a halt", then you can add the halt to the language
< 1725639407 664008 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725639413 894347 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
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< 1725639604 306137 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :changed it
< 1725639616 617649 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now do you think a looping counter is possible?
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< 1725640062 323791 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: yes, {}1 \n (print *) \n (print \n) would be a looping counter in that version of the language (apart from the first line), if it had a print statement
< 1725640119 252997 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725640122 104436 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k thx
< 1725640128 9391 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wouldnt it just work anyway
< 1725640131 93736 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like in memory
< 1725640135 853916 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right?
< 1725640182 787960 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or no
< 1725640186 9013 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :???
< 1725640239 734042 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1725640261 811084 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but having the print statements makes it easier to describe
< 1725640283 555098 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725640292 40577 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ig you would include it
< 1725640294 222836 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but just say
< 1725640302 999153 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the prints are for clarity
< 1725640489 143793 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can i add it
< 1725640495 428006 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if so should i give credit?
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< 1725640827 96478 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can always define multiple variants of a language together on one page, like if you want the support for print statements optional. 
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< 1725643079 162635 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now i added it
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< 1725645988 527091 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i made dat horrible thing^
< 1725645989 27546 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^
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< 1725650843 273640 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nobody here?...
> 1725650883 945342 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Enwokenment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138169&oldid=138166 5* 03Ais523 5* (+985) 10explain why this is TC (it has the category already)
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< 1725650942 267897 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I'm not sure I'm in the right frame of mind for looking at esolangs right now
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< 1725650982 931153 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :np(ofc)
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> 1725655388 352345 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138185&oldid=138184 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+4) 10/* Infinite loop */
> 1725655467 657011 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138186&oldid=138185 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+32) 10/* Truth-machine */
> 1725655518 24343 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138187&oldid=138186 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+11) 10/* Looping counter */
> 1725655596 443884 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138188&oldid=138187 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+35) 10/* Deadfish implementation */
> 1725655616 552357 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07G Sharp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138189&oldid=138188 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* Looping counter */
> 1725655679 328941 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish/Implementations (nonalphabetic and A-L)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138190&oldid=136830 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+20) 10/* G# */
> 1725655769 830852 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish with gotos and input14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138191&oldid=137862 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1065) 10Interpreter, see also, categories
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< 1725663802 455256 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Currently in a mahjong program I have:   typedef struct { char*name; uint16_t value; } Name;   it is used with tsearch. However, this requires two allocations and some extra space for the pointer, and it might be better to instead:   typedef struct { uint16_t value; char name[0]; } Name;
< 1725663923 325475 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The search key in this program will always be the same static buffer, so it could use some otherwise unused address to denote that, or to subtract sizeof(uint16_t) from the address of that buffer and somehow force the compiler to make that work (being valid if used in this way and not null).
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> 1725667771 126708 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comments14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138192&oldid=138171 5* 03None1 5* (+165) 10/* brainfuck */
> 1725667829 353346 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03None1 5*  10moved [[02Comments10]] to [[Comment]]: Should be singular
> 1725667829 368320 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03None1 5*  10moved [[02Talk:Comments10]] to [[Talk:Comment]]: Should be singular
> 1725667894 720942 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138197&oldid=138193 5* 03None1 5* (+55) 10
> 1725667913 970186 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138198&oldid=132457 5* 03None1 5* (+4) 10/* Header comment */
> 1725668247 742760 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138199&oldid=138197 5* 03None1 5* (+92) 10
> 1725668445 246073 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138200&oldid=137988 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+155) 10Link, categories
> 1725668471 997220 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138201&oldid=138200 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+28) 10Category
> 1725668536 799230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138202&oldid=137477 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+117) 10See also
> 1725670600 241907 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07+-)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138203&oldid=122375 5* 03None1 5* (+219) 10
> 1725671176 860515 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Bfos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138204&oldid=113882 5* 03None1 5* (+311) 10
> 1725671275 959944 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138205&oldid=138202 5* 03None1 5* (+113) 10/* See also */
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< 1725672669 456415 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :What CPUs have emulation modes? x86 architecture is infamous for that, 65816 has an emulation mode for 6502 (or some variation I think)
> 1725673008 927147 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Trilangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138206&oldid=112452 5* 03Bbrk24 5* (-111) 10Trilangle can interpret Qdeql
< 1725673225 76737 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The eZ80 has a "classic Z80" mode, I think. (Quite different from the native "ADL mode" in which the 16-bit register become 24-bit ones.)
< 1725673469 981042 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not sure if ARM's 32-bit execution state on AArch64 counts, maybe.
> 1725677898 601784 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Velato14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138207&oldid=31126 5* 03None1 5* (+126) 10/* Music images */ new section
> 1725677904 921578 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Velato14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138208&oldid=138207 5* 03None1 5* (+235) 10/* Music images */
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> 1725680195 116462 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138209&oldid=138152 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+106) 10
> 1725680362 989262 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:OLoP14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138210 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+105) 10Created page with ":''This page is written by the language {{{1}}}, and the version of language {{{2}}} is at [[{{{3}}}]].''"
> 1725680385 889628 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Enwokenment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138211&oldid=138174 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+6) 10
> 1725680397 402236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07/English version14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138212&oldid=137758 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (-19) 10
> 1725680485 694103 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138213&oldid=138115 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+77) 10
> 1725680739 713801 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138214&oldid=138147 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+79) 10
> 1725681171 378236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated Shakespeare/PSTF14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138215 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+4973) 10Created page with "1. Program 
 The Infamous Hello World Program.  Romeo, a young man with a remarkable patience. Juliet, a likewise young woman of remarkable grace. Ophelia, a remarkable woman much in dispute with Hamlet. Hamlet, the flatterer of Andersen In
> 1725681253 997818 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138216&oldid=138006 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+524) 10
> 1725681331 523055 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated Shakespeare/PSTF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138217&oldid=138215 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+8) 10
> 1725681542 620657 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/My Decimal Number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138218 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1091) 10Created page with "It calls "The PSTF constant" and its symbol is .  2.561765029376982639476905739572392398749348647654346788698569836928685656575656559200198249263159047584721586234075946897315867407907847846941795720456298375091247679407723064907438724
> 1725681608 853715 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138219&oldid=138214 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+114) 10
> 1725681896 436839 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138220&oldid=136579 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+588) 10/* Translate it even scarier if thouyou want. */ new section
> 1725682795 71090 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PrySigneToFry14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138221&oldid=137969 5* 03YufangTSTSU 5* (+162) 10/* Any account on other platforms? */
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> 1725686560 865678 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Why tho14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138222&oldid=135934 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+63) 10
> 1725687050 929205 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bijection14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138223&oldid=138177 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+122) 10
> 1725687166 667696 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bijection14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138224&oldid=138223 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+105) 10
> 1725687371 822673 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category talk:Unknown computational class14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138225 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+266) 10Created page with "i think this should have a sub category for things that have a high chance of being TC and must be at least close to it. like esolangs that has a [[Looping counter]] made in it ~~~~"
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> 1725690016 310359 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kicky BCT14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138226 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1532) 10Created page with "'''Kicky BCT''' is a [[Esolang]] by [[User:Yayimhere]]. its a modified version of a [[BCT]]. it comes from two things: a misunderstanding on the [[ResPlicate]] page, and the creators hate to the fact that the datastring is not represented in the program == what has 
> 1725690947 783355 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ResPlicate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138227&oldid=53514 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+24) 10/* Counting Up From Zero (in Unary) */
> 1725691629 385755 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CASTLE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138228&oldid=92236 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-33) 10/* Examples */ Circute is on wiki
> 1725691729 266924 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Yayimhere 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Kicky BCT logo.jpg10]]"
> 1725691758 318224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kicky BCT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138230&oldid=138226 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+66) 10
< 1725691801 60662 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs : ^^hate of humanity confirmed^^
< 1725691801 560657 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^
> 1725692171 457538 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138231&oldid=138209 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+124) 10/* bring back the old sandbox war */
> 1725692681 340973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FizzLang Unbounded14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138232 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+320) 10Created page with "'''FizzLang Unbounded''' is a simple variant of [[FizzLang]]. the original esolang was created by [[User:Mihai Popa]] and this variant is by [[User:Yayimhere]] == the change(yea there's only one) == now the:  1 -> 100 would not be there. there would just be 
> 1725692721 297754 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FizzLang Unbounded14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138233&oldid=138232 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-2) 10
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> 1725694119 35956 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BFX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138234&oldid=18220 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-69) 10
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> 1725695138 936741 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138235&oldid=138077 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+25) 10
> 1725695518 266239 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138236&oldid=138235 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+16) 10
> 1725695695 994091 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kicky BCT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138237&oldid=138230 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-844) 10
< 1725695747 196326 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have a qeustion. souldnt a looping counter starting at ** isntead of * proove the same things right?
> 1725696171 353022 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kicky BCT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138238&oldid=138237 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+161) 10
> 1725696311 877998 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kicky BCT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138239&oldid=138238 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-36) 10/* random examples */
> 1725696356 604713 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kicky BCT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138240&oldid=138239 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-16) 10/* what has changed? */
> 1725697283 751458 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chance14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138241&oldid=78318 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-5) 10needs to show the User part in user page link
> 1725697334 138044 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish 214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138242&oldid=135327 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-5) 10needs to show the User part in user page link
> 1725698562 405855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PrySigneToFry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138243&oldid=138221 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+712) 10
> 1725698599 674894 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PrySigneToFry14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138244&oldid=138243 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+0) 10Change the time post
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> 1725698924 788186 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138245 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+651) 10/* About IDE for "" */ new section
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> 1725699541 2846 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138247&oldid=138216 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+34) 10
> 1725699606 927495 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:None114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138248&oldid=138220 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+24) 10
> 1725699639 697750 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated Zhongwen14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138249 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+33) 10Redirected page to [[Translated ZhongWen]]
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> 1725700227 968215 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138251&oldid=138250 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (-14) 10
> 1725700264 528533 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138252&oldid=138251 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (-12) 10
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> 1725703627 935243 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138255&oldid=138252 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+892) 10
> 1725703708 454943 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138256&oldid=138255 5* 03Unname4798 5* (-189) 10
> 1725704246 628692 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PrySigneToFry/My Decimal Number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138257 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+214) 10Created page with "What is the formula for PSTF's number? ~~~"
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> 1725704301 713641 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PrySigneToFry/My Decimal Number14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138259&oldid=138258 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+4) 10
> 1725705488 151962 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138260&oldid=135904 5* 03ZachChecksOutEsolangs 5* (+201) 10
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> 1725713272 656869 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138263&oldid=138231 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+182) 10/* bring back the old sandbox war */
> 1725714895 897952 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category talk:Unknown computational class14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138264&oldid=138225 5* 03Corbin 5* (+570) 10Cool idea, but probably not feasible.
< 1725715616 371480 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Interwiki is now available for anyone to read, and for admins to modify.
< 1725715876 971148 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like there's so many links in that table, some of them must have died since then.
< 1725716007 189243 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :groups.google.com still exists? :P
< 1725716026 855057 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd add that aforementioned concatenative.org but I don't know if the interwiki prefix should be `cat`, `concat` or `concatenative`.
< 1725716047 271238 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :We use groups.google.com a lot internally, unsurprisingly.
< 1725716049 988206 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's cache but no archive.org prefix... odd
< 1725716065 150295 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Maybe that's why the product hasn't been killed entirely?)
< 1725716073 943340 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's less useful now that it no longer functions as a Usenet frontend.
< 1725716079 88213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The only thing I've ever used groups.google.com for was as an NNTP archive and I think that part is long gone.
< 1725716153 503543 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :All the entries in "My groups" at groups.google.com for my personal Gmail account are acting as ACL lists for dogfooding prerelease versions of different Google things.
< 1725716186 974801 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there any downside to disabling forwarding for everything?
< 1725716228 355132 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I don't mind the idea that those destinations are trusted, but I wonder what legitimate purpose these forwards really serve in the esolang context.)
< 1725716271 620616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, no real complaints
< 1725716286 140192 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I wouldn't consider myself a heavy user of the wiki
< 1725716336 227909 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"A user with 231 edits. Account created on 27 September 2015."
< 1725716351 926658 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can write shorter links using the prefix, and it'd be possible to update them all at once if the destination changes their URLs, I imagine that's the primary advantage. Which is only relevant if people want to write such links and know about the feature, of course.
< 1725716385 747445 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm sure we got the list from some list of defaults back when originally installing MediaWiki without thinking about it too much.
< 1725716388 457535 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But wouldn't the wiki expand them for you?
< 1725716701 666632 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I didn't know what the "forward" column does. Yeah, the WikiMedia wikis should probably be "no" here, I don't think they're useful.
< 1725716752 187442 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ain't no-one going to try going to https://esolangs.org/wiki/wikipedia:Cat expecting it to work.
< 1725716785 322975 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah
> 1725716808 208723 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PrySigneToFry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138265&oldid=138262 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+659) 10
> 1725716854 553230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/interwiki14]]4 iw_edit10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10Fizzie modified prefix "wikibooks" (https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
< 1725716884 972605 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, this is going to cause a bit of spam since there's no bulk edit functionality.
> 1725716897 813583 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/interwiki14]]4 iw_edit10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10Fizzie modified prefix "wikinews" (https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
> 1725716919 97281 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/interwiki14]]4 iw_edit10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10Fizzie modified prefix "wikipedia" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
> 1725716929 936942 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/interwiki14]]4 iw_edit10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10Fizzie modified prefix "wikiquote" (https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
< 1725716940 758446 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION pats esolangs on the head

> 1725716942 750635 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/interwiki14]]4 iw_edit10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10Fizzie modified prefix "wikisource" (https://wikisource.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
> 1725716948 483221 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/interwiki14]]4 iw_edit10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10Fizzie modified prefix "wikispecies" (https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
> 1725716953 887498 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/interwiki14]]4 iw_edit10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10Fizzie modified prefix "wikiversity" (https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
> 1725716958 872658 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/interwiki14]]4 iw_edit10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10Fizzie modified prefix "wikt" (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
> 1725716964 490 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/interwiki14]]4 iw_edit10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10Fizzie modified prefix "wiktionary" (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
< 1725716985 497429 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Think that was all of them.
< 1725717081 318259 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :lgtm
> 1725717184 24556 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138266&oldid=138219 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+300) 10
< 1725717298 305491 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :conway = https://conwaylife.com/wiki/$1  might be useful
< 1725717415 682148 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(inspired by https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bitgrid which links to Unit Cell there)
< 1725718314 815829 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, but should it be `conway:` or `life:`? Despite the URL, they do call themselves LifeWiki.
< 1725718344 471982 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There should be some kind of a mechanism where each MediaWiki wiki can declare their preferred interwiki prefix, and/or a registry of them.
< 1725718401 382298 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :life: works too
< 1725718515 513240 :b_jonas_!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Steo: I think ARM32 supports two or three instruction sets, as in the classic one where instructions are fixed 32 bit long, and the variable one called thumb where instructions can be 16 or 32 bits long (maybe also longer), and I think you can mix these within a process
< 1725718529 794862 :b_jonas_!~x@88.87.242.184 NICK :b_jonas
< 1725718614 610818 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :x86 has this too, in theory you could mix x86_16 and x86_32 code in the same process, it's just that that's very rarely worth, about the only time it comes up is if a 32-bit DOS extender wants to call into a DOS file system driver, or a 32-bit boot loader called into old style BIOS, or some nonsense like that.
< 1725718638 9119 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and those ones don't even count because those call into real mode, which you *can't* mix in the same process
> 1725718641 898077 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/interwiki14]]4 iw_add10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10Fizzie added prefix "life" (https://conwaylife.com/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) to the interwiki table: add LifeWiki (conwaylife.com) since it's relevant to our interests
< 1725718645 280342 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can only mix 16-bit and 32-bit protected mode
< 1725718794 544076 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I changed opinion about the interwiki codes and I think they should just die these days. We should just use absolute URLs for every link, and if the wiki interface wants to display them in a special way, they can recognize the URLs directly.
< 1725718846 605749 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :both google groups and yahoo groups does exist, basically they are mailing list servers where anyone can create mailing lists, and you can use the web interface to subscribe or read the archive
< 1725718862 131413 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they also used to have a usenet interface, but that part may have died
< 1725718892 161659 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's two versions of Thumb; the plain Thumb(-1) is also fixed-length at 16 bits, the extra 32-bit instructions are a Thumb-2 thing.
< 1725718923 411660 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ARM also had that Jazelle thing, where it can execute Java bytecode "natively".
< 1725718932 622652 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what? how can you have a fixed 16-bit length instruction set these days?
< 1725718940 951389 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :16 bits is just too short
< 1725718957 24794 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean it's not really "these days" because now everything runs ARM64 instead
< 1725719003 443307 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Hmm I don't hate the prefix but the fact that they are not displayed as external links feels odd.
< 1725719030 466699 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but obviously on an existing wiki we can't just disable support for interwiki prefixes, and both esolang wiki and the wikimedia sites are very long-lived, so we'll have them forever,
< 1725719051 247827 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so what I said applies only to new wikis
< 1725719070 405852 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: how they're formatted is kind of supposed to be orthogonal to how they're displayed though
< 1725719083 519687 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :For Sgeo's question I was really only trying to think of examples about emulating older, pre-existing architectures, for backwards (or sideways) compatibility reasons.
< 1725719132 123886 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: x86_16 was an established older architecture when the 386 introduced x86_32
< 1725719147 394170 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait, there's a better example
< 1725719189 760153 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there are 16-bit 6502 extensions that have a compatibility mode that closely emulates the 6502 (or some 8-bit 6502 variant), they behave like that older CPU by default, but can be switched to the more modern mode
< 1725719201 627961 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a CSS class `extiw` on interwiki links (compared to `external text` for regular external links), so if I knew what I was doing I could probably make them render the same as external links.
< 1725719214 840243 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's pretty similar to the Z80/eZ80 thing.
< 1725719218 901970 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :some of them are even hardware-compatible with an existing 6502 variant as long as you keep them in compatibility mode in software, but then change how they use pins if you switch to 16-bit mode
< 1725719305 753906 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they need a compatibility mode because the 6502 was so popular and third-parties documented all the undocumented instructions that a lot of programs relied on what almost all undocumented behavior is (with the exception of a few instructions that just freeze the CPU), so it's hard to add new instructions; plus also they didn't just want to add new instructions but replace many of the normal ones with 
< 1725719311 510785 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, Sgeo mentioned 65816 having a 6502 mode.
< 1725719311 759852 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :16-bit equivalents
< 1725719328 268467 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus they can just run existing 8-bit 6502 software that way
> 1725719388 754410 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*bfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138267 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+914) 10Created page with "'''*bfuck''' is an esolang by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] based on [[brainfuck]] ==Commands== The tape has infinite amount of unsigned unbounded integers  +-,.[] Are the same, <> are removed and there is additional command  | Which toggles between two st
< 1725719393 515651 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I think most of the interwiki codes are just inherited from defaults from the mediawiki software
< 1725719419 598073 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Thank you!
< 1725719470 544502 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"it'd be possible to update them all at once if the destination changes their URLs" => you can do URL rewriting with normal absolute URLs just as much, and then you don't need specific knowledge of the particular wiki. I think I've replaced OEIS links on the wiki after the old links failed to work.  
< 1725719473 340145 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I didn't actually add concatenative.org yet, because I couldn't pick the prefix. If you have an opinion on that, that might help.
< 1725719503 583973 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I was looking at a test edit to change the `unit cell` link I mentioned and now I'm not sure I want to actually do it.
< 1725719550 319108 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: "catlang wiki" was suggested in #concatenative; it's supposedly popular with their Discord community. I might suggest "catwiki" or "catlangwiki". "concatenative" is not a bad option, given that it's their channel and domain name.
< 1725719554 4756 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because it would no longer indicate an external link.
< 1725719574 360284 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've definitely replaced several links to OEIS and to Erich Friedman's webpage from elsewhere, mostly on SE. Sadly the Erich Friedman links are trickier because it's not just a simple prefix replace, pages moved within the site too. Technically some of that wasn't at the same time, but we don't replace links every half a year.
< 1725719577 983746 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"test edit" - a preview to use proper terminology
< 1725719623 191167 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@123.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt QUIT :Quit: Client closed
> 1725719624 600878 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ChuckEsoteric0814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138268&oldid=121602 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+24) 10/* Things I made */
< 1725719643 133723 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Plus I think the complexity zoo may have moved. I think all three of these were universities getting nervous about what their subdomains point to and that they'll be considered endorsing everything hosted under any subdomain, which is kind of ridiculous but that's how politics goes.
< 1725719649 155950 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: It can't have a space in it for technical reasons, but both `catwiki` and `catlangwiki` would work.
< 1725719673 12962 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Let's do `catlangwiki`. Thank you again for your attention to detail.
< 1725719727 864247 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"the WikiMedia wikis" => those shortcuts are probably among the more useful ones, because the esowiki was originally founded to rescue esolang documentation that would be deleted from en.wikipedia
< 1725719737 256994 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Complexity Zoo had some organizational issues; they couldn't really cross-reference. I visited a while ago and took detailed drawings (https://github.com/MostAwesomeDude/zaha/tree/master/complexity) but didn't write down the academic details.
> 1725719745 526189 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/interwiki14]]4 iw_add10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10Fizzie added prefix "catlangwiki" (https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) to the interwiki table: add prefix for concatenative.org
< 1725719750 796915 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ it is done.
> 1725719762 960817 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck is not turing complete14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138269&oldid=134927 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+303) 10I added even more horrible things in the page
< 1725719774 383252 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And I'll probably also try to style interwiki links to indicate that they're external links, but only after running some errands.
< 1725719786 359781 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :With both the Zoo and nLab, I've got projects (that one just linked and Catabase respectively) that are basically "this wiki could have been written as a SQL database, with constraints and checks and FKs".
> 1725719809 70036 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck is not turing complete14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138270&oldid=138269 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+64) 10
> 1725719841 291594 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138271&oldid=137727 5* 03B jonas 5* (+44) 10
< 1725719923 464594 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :On the other topic, the Commodore C128 _system_ has a "CP/M Mode", but that's just based on having a separate Z80 CPU in addition to the 8502 (similar to how GBA included an SM83, the Z80-alike of the original Game Boy), so that's on a different level than the CPU execution modes.
> 1725719924 149721 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cat (Language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138272&oldid=138069 5* 03Corbin 5* (-47) 10Test out the new interwiki entry for concatenative.org.
> 1725719950 774097 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pointfree programming14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138273&oldid=107984 5* 03B jonas 5* (+144) 10
> 1725719984 46268 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cat program14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138274&oldid=138054 5* 03Corbin 5* (+63) 10Also add a disambiguation link here, since this is currently the redirect target for [[Cat]].
< 1725720136 929901 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: oh yeah, and the Commodore 128 has a Commodore 64 mode built into it, with partly separate hardware, and because the Commodore 64 was so popular but the 128 wasn't, most software running on the 128 is just Commodore 64-bit software
< 1725720148 275116 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :uh, that's misaddressed
< 1725720149 989698 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ^
< 1725720217 667258 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :while the GBC has a GB compatibility mode, but I think that doesn't really count as an emulation, most of what it does is slowing down the CPU+memory and not changing the video card to color mode
> 1725720276 542245 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138275&oldid=138199 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+171) 10/* brainfuck */
> 1725720398 712429 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138276&oldid=138247 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+26) 10Added a sub-title
> 1725720414 362568 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138277&oldid=138276 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+4) 10Fixed
< 1725720667 877443 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol, though if i had the space and time i'd have a C64 or C128 for playing with :)
< 1725720737 399085 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :simcop2387: you can just emulate them these days
< 1725720742 348028 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had a C128, but donated it to someone else when I moved countries, wasn't really using it for anything.
< 1725720747 611827 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea but it's never quite the same
< 1725720774 405904 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and i think the GBC was slightly different than that, it always boots in the slow mode and B&W until it sees the new GBC nintento copyright string/logo bitmap but it's been a while since i've looked into exactly how that worked anymore
> 1725720802 910464 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138278&oldid=138275 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-3) 10/* /// */
< 1725720908 578581 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'd also love to have a teletype of some kind acting as a notification printer like it's part of an old time news room getting automated telegraphs of breaking news but i'm a bit weird that way
< 1725721070 916294 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I missed all the "other systems" growing up (we were always a PC household), so I got a few (the C128, a Performa 5200, a SparcStation 5, an SGI Indy) to play with when they were already obsolete.
< 1725721194 328150 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The SS5 probably saw the most use, because it ran OpenBSD and was my router for a couple of years, until Fast Ethernet was no longer fast enough.
< 1725721365 944455 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Come to think of it, that's where the logs.esolangs.org logs start from, because it's also where I ran irssi on and started logging: https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2002-12-14.html
< 1725721441 801970 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh an OpenBSD router? nice
> 1725721818 133012 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138279 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1862) 10Created page with " is an Esolang that designed and implemented by PSTF.  It is reversed version of [[]].  == Command Table == 
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> 1725721961 778869 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138280&oldid=138167 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+19) 10
> 1725722185 888296 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138281&oldid=137672 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+48) 10
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> 1725722409 90176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07@!+-()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138282&oldid=116382 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+18) 10/* Specification */
< 1725722473 203466 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`olist 1310
< 1725722475 546614 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist : shachaf oerjan Sgeo boily nortti b_jonas Noisytoot
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> 1725722774 279633 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138283&oldid=138278 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+32) 10/* Befunge */
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> 1725723837 904660 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OTS14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138284 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1411) 10Created page with "'''OTS'''(pronounced OATS) is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] == memory == memory is a stack holding negative esolangs. the stack can only hold 4 elements at a time == commands == {| class="wikitable" |+ commands |- ! command !! meaning |- | W(''n'') 
> 1725723856 168705 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OTS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138285&oldid=138284 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-2) 10
> 1725724167 891688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OTS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138286&oldid=138285 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+8) 10
> 1725725005 40080 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OTS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138287&oldid=138286 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10
> 1725725147 137599 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Yayimhere-like esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138288&oldid=138076 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10/* syntax */
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> 1725728299 139986 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:GUAqwq/TCproof to Lambda calculus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138289&oldid=138131 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+24) 10Fix some mistakes
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> 1725728883 116938 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Try14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138290&oldid=138176 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+240) 10
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> 1725728974 713832 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Try/hello world14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138291 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+69) 10Created page with "Message is an esolang about hello world == Main ==  Output is Message"
> 1725729023 686842 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Try14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138292&oldid=138290 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+35) 10
> 1725729353 399164 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138293&oldid=138283 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+29) 10/* Befunge/>/*> */
> 1725729403 575824 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bijection14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138294&oldid=138224 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* examples */ Fix link
< 1725729427 326785 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aww thx
> 1725729506 29818 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category talk:Turning tarpits14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138295 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+23) 10Created page with "you mean turing tarpits"
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> 1725729588 789241 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*bfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138296&oldid=138267 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+4) 10/* Commands */
> 1725729618 964146 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category talk:Turning tarpits14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138297&oldid=138295 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+169) 10
> 1725729758 156464 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OTS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138298&oldid=138287 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10Categories
> 1725729768 628828 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OTS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138299&oldid=138298 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10Typo
> 1725729799 864587 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/rights14]]4 rights10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10changed group membership for User:Fizzie from bureaucrat, checkuser, sysop to bureaucrat, checkuser, sysop, interface-admin: grant interface-admin rights to self in hopes of restyling interwiki links
> 1725729937 634367 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kicky BCT14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138300&oldid=138240 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+74) 10Categories
> 1725729987 933390 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timelang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138301 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+426) 10Created page with "You have to wait to code == Idea == time mod 8 determines what thing gets ran  time%8 do  0      add one to current cell  1      sub one to current cell  2      move one cell left  3      move one cell right  4      input to cell  5      output from cell  6      start
> 1725730149 388133 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EmojiCoder14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138302&oldid=78174 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10Category
> 1725730151 454680 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:BestCoder14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138303&oldid=134424 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+18) 10
> 1725730224 795166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MediaWiki:Common.css14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138304&oldid=51399 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+270) 10attempt to style interwiki links with the external-site link indicator
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< 1725730471 58279 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Kinda tricky. Different skins apply the "external site" icon differently; default Vector does it by setting a background-image to a small SVG, positioning it to 'center right' and adding a bit of padding; Citizen does it by adding an ::after pseudo-element that's `background-color: currentcolor` + masked with an SVG data: URL, presumably so that it inherits the color. But Common.css is common to
< 1725730473 776861 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :both, and I really don't want to start doing that per-skin.
< 1725730508 212612 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In the end just applied Vector's simpler external-link styling to a.extiw.
< 1725730517 619326 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut
< 1725730535 832186 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The _right_ way to do it of course would've been to put the `external` CSS class to interwiki links as well, but couldn't find an option to do that.
< 1725730917 125112 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Mediawiki and similar wiki software has the concept of "interwiki", which lets us bluelink between different wikis. It's a little brittle, but it's mostly just a way to manage lots of offsite URLs.
> 1725731040 662221 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07~~14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138305 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1425) 10Created page with "'''~~'''(first of all idk how i got that name second of all its pronounced sin) is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] while on a twitch stream == ~~ hexadecimal format == ~~ has a way to write hexadecimal numbers(where there are couples so they can be divided into chu
< 1725731048 276396 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: For some reason, `position: absolute` is getting added to that class. Pages like [[Cammy]] are getting a pile of links dragged to the top-right.
< 1725731064 859000 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey korvo. it had a link to send you(idk if you've seen it) its the crafting esolang. here it is: https://hackmd.io/@idkleftoutsidekkk/ryM0QbI3C
> 1725731186 114507 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07~~14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138306&oldid=138305 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-1) 10
> 1725731276 159742 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MediaWiki:Common.css14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138307&oldid=138304 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+1) 10add a missing )
< 1725731300 378052 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I missed a ) in `url(...)` and somehow didn't notice.
< 1725731913 81298 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Nice, looks great.
< 1725731929 677013 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the link should work now
< 1725731930 673261 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Very cool.
< 1725731934 130834 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx
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> 1725732130 972376 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Push-down automaton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138308&oldid=20543 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+601) 10
> 1725732140 588564 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Push-down automaton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138309&oldid=138308 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+60) 10
> 1725732243 203414 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138310&oldid=137254 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+242) 10
> 1725732366 903228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitfuckery14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138311 5* 03Xarthan 5* (+450) 10Created page
> 1725732455 3237 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitfuckery14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138312&oldid=138311 5* 03Xarthan 5* (+49) 10lmao
< 1725733270 755986 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it ready for the wiki?
< 1725733363 936686 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, how often do you dishearten, and how often do you connive?
< 1725733364 158614 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: please look at r5rs: the revised5 report on scheme
> 1725734031 868577 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Direction14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138313 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+727) 10Created page with "This is a esolang that uses 2d syntax, plus orthogonal directions == The but ==  every direction command when you step on it it gets deleted == Commands ==  <>^v: direction commands  I: get input and push it to stack  ?: pops from stack and if that is 0 turn left >0 
> 1725734107 954101 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:BestCoder14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138314&oldid=138303 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+20) 10
< 1725734133 517897 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it ready for the wiki korvo?
< 1725734164 642429 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I don't know. I don't think I am a good person to ask about that.
< 1725734219 711044 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
> 1725734307 800495 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OTS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138315&oldid=138299 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+71) 10
> 1725734347 894800 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138316&oldid=138236 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+12) 10
> 1725734448 480713 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02Assembolge10]] to [[User:Ractangle:Assembolge]]
> 1725734470 217202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02User:Ractangle:Assembolge10]] to [[User:Ractangle/Assembolge]]
> 1725734976 665916 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02User:Ractangle/Assembolge10]] to [[User:Ractangle/iurgdytrh]]
> 1725735001 366240 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/iurgdytrh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138323&oldid=138321 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+6) 10
> 1725735276 716403 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138324&oldid=138173 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-9) 10/* Esolangs */
> 1725735615 255396 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Markont14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138325&oldid=43106 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10/* Example */
> 1725735683 191015 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Randwork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138326&oldid=51122 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10/* External resources */
> 1725735720 286996 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Expandable Quantum Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138327&oldid=59466 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10
> 1725735982 279153 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Algebraic Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138328&oldid=136046 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10/* Sources */
> 1725736035 888686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Awib14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138329&oldid=88809 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10
> 1725736193 731194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bijection14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138330&oldid=138294 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+181) 10
> 1725736483 605304 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck minus -14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138331&oldid=59759 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10/* See also */
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> 1725736534 66464 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Doors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138332&oldid=135814 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+72) 10
> 1725736621 495428 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FRAK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138333&oldid=125034 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* External resources */
> 1725736890 591392 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Doors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138334&oldid=138332 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+308) 10
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> 1725741216 551893 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitfuckery14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138335&oldid=138312 5* 03Xarthan 5* (+872) 10language overview
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< 1725742430 376641 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist : shachaf oerjan Sgeo boily nortti b_jonas Noisytoot
< 1725742566 394944 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: fizzie had rang the obell earlier
> 1725742903 197623 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OTS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138337&oldid=138315 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10.
> 1725742955 51019 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Direction14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138338&oldid=138313 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+88) 10Categories
> 1725743171 113585 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timelang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138339&oldid=138301 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+162) 10Categories
> 1725744256 60987 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitfuckery14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138340&oldid=138336 5* 03Xarthan 5* (+40) 10fixed bit count mistake
< 1725744444 90617 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :How to securely specify that a self-signed X.509 certificate supersedes another self-signed X.509 certificate? Since a certificate contains a public key, presumably you could use that for security, but is there the way to use in this way, or will it be necessary to make up a new extension for this purpose?
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< 1725747816 928580 :user3456!user3456@user/user3456 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: why not self sign a root cert and sign other certs with it
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< 1725749981 670024 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Then what if you will want to revoke the root certificate?
< 1725750026 718913 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, signing other certificates with a root certificate will not tell you that one certificate is intended to supersede another one.
< 1725750949 451436 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(You could use the names to indicate this, although this won't help if the names will be changed or if the names are later used by someone else (with the same certificate authority), as well as the other reasons such as if you will want to revoke the root certificate for whatever reason)
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> 1725754297 471243 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck is not turing complete14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138341&oldid=138270 5* 03None1 5* (+6) 10
> 1725754389 143770 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138342&oldid=138279 5* 03None1 5* (+1) 10/* Example */
> 1725755084 511126 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitfuckery14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138343&oldid=138340 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+158) 10Categories
< 1725755223 573617 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had consider how to make the "Common Data Format" of the operating system design. Perhaps it can be: 8-bits command code, 4-bits length type, 4-bits data type. The data types might be: 0=compound, 1=raw, 2=text, 3=reference, etc. (The number of bits allocated to each part also might be different, if this is consider to be not good enough)
< 1725755459 636239 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What is your opinions of such a thing like that?
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< 1725755819 551668 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :One possible consideration that might be needed is if a container has an unknown length.
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> 1725756502 319105 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Factor14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138344&oldid=136304 5* 03None1 5* (+95) 10Distinguish confusion
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< 1725758738 918038 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
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> 1725760106 556619 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03PaxtonPenguin 5*  10moved [[02QuickLangs10]] to [[QuickLang]]: no mo others
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> 1725764109 300377 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138356&oldid=138266 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+353) 10
< 1725764198 273667 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a way in Linux, for a C program to call a function to save the user memory of the program in a way that can later be restored? File descriptors should not be saved, and user/group IDs should not be saved, etc.
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< 1725764515 460911 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :For example, it could be:   int write_user_memory(int fd);   Returns 1 if successful, 0 if just restored, or -1 if error.
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< 1725766096 490311 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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> 1725766341 874951 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138361&oldid=138256 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+30) 10
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> 1725766694 810212 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138363&oldid=138362 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+847) 10/*  */ new section
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> 1725767501 409394 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138366&oldid=138365 5* 03None1 5* (+293) 10/*  */
> 1725768910 272279 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Factor14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138367&oldid=138344 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-1) 10:
< 1725769155 329095 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :TIL about [[Template:Distinguish/Confusion]]; thanks PSDW for showing the way.
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 Leidse. swing swing swing My name is Joan of Arc Bonni. Avelis. This is a document. TantYachiukevkuchokera prays; In the camera, come on, come on, come on. swing Tippiene Aniza Retdak. 
 
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> 1725770605 451494 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138370&oldid=138366 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+713) 10
< 1725770615 715891 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :O, about my "Common Data Format", it seem that ASN.1 has a way of making indefinite length, so something like that could be used. Actually, it could be made more like ASN.1 in other ways too, e.g. instead of the length type and data type like that, can use one bit to indicate constructed or primitive like ASN.1 is doing.
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> 1725772856 607723 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138373&oldid=138359 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+68) 10/* bring back the old sandbox war */
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< 1725775253 222864 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im kinda confused
< 1725775255 19862 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why is it
< 1725775262 676547 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that every minimaztation of BF
< 1725775304 143536 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :has a problem with that when you try to minimize < and > you always end up having one preserved and the second one changed but sstill the same number of commands
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< 1725776212 451402 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :am i stupid for working on burn now
< 1725776561 89289 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why do some HTTP servers send a compressed response even if the client does not request it?
< 1725776581 763290 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
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< 1725784719 154972 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: does that involve the HTTP 2 or 3 protocol? if so, I think allowing compression is assumed in those protocols even if it's not explicitly listed in the header. if not, I think I've seen at least one specialized server that still does that, with the justification that if you're downloading the large data involved uncompressed then you're just wasting everyone's bandwidth, and everyone has access 
< 1725784725 161655 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to a zlib decompression implementation these days.
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> 1725788899 405839 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07~~14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138391&oldid=138306 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+44) 10/* syntax */
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< 1725789826 344267 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this guy is fr every esolang creator: https://xkcd.com/2309/
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 var command = ""; /* Replace the empty string with user input */
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> 1725791237 200614 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Input hello world or else: without a quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138416&oldid=138415 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+35) 10
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> 1725791387 532504 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Unname4798 5*  10moved [[02Input hello world or else: without a quine10]] to [[Input hello world or else without a quine]]
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> 1725791459 536262 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Input hello world or else: without a quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138424&oldid=138423 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+45) 10Redirected page to [[Input hello world or else without a quine]]
> 1725791491 870109 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Input hello world or else without a quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138425&oldid=138420 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+13) 10
> 1725791516 672455 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Input hello world or else without a quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138426&oldid=138425 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+4) 10
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> 1725791708 186037 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Input hello world or else without a quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138429&oldid=138428 5* 03Unname4798 5* (-20) 10
> 1725791890 952178 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Input hello world or else without a quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138430&oldid=138429 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+34) 10
> 1725791923 667885 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Input hello world or else without a quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138431&oldid=138430 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+17) 10
> 1725792102 98044 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Input hello world or else without a quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138432&oldid=138431 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+65) 10
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> 1725792780 137256 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138434&oldid=138412 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-60) 10/* /// */
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> 1725793203 390415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Input hello world or else:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138437&oldid=138393 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+72) 10
> 1725793225 887135 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Input hello world or else:/the file in questoin14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138438&oldid=138436 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+4) 10
> 1725793239 876695 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Input hello world or else:/the file in questoin14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138439&oldid=138438 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10
> 1725793315 889584 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Input hello world or else:/the file in questoin14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138440&oldid=138439 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+37) 10
< 1725794483 580942 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: you want https://esolangs.org/wiki/WysiScript
< 1725794563 540179 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what question is dis for
< 1725794681 338429 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: for https://xkcd.com/2309/
< 1725794746 876837 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1725794794 701747 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill go into implemtation and tyoe until there are no errors:)
< 1725794804 326350 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( https://wiki.haskell.org/Obfuscation#Example but worse )
< 1725794820 442391 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :??
< 1725794849 18601 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1725794851 165070 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow
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> 1725795459 615746 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138442&oldid=138441 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10/* !!brainfeed */
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> 1725798510 72775 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RECT4n=GLE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138444&oldid=137481 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-501) 10/* one with no complexity(showed up to have complexity) */
> 1725798603 470559 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RECT4n=GLE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138445&oldid=138444 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-30) 10/* a step by step version */
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< 1725799653 293490 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what categories should dis have?:
< 1725799653 792592 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/RECT4n%3DGLE
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> 1725801072 943200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138449&oldid=92081 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+103) 10
> 1725801342 727178 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RECT4n=GLE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138450&oldid=138448 5* 03JJRubes 5* (+125) 10add link to implementation
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< 1725801994 538837 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey ais523 if u here. somenody made a RECT4n=GLE compiler! you can check it out on the page
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> 1725802356 670124 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Filename "xxx" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138455&oldid=135417 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+39) 10/* Python */
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> 1725802860 352928 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138458&oldid=138447 5* 03None1 5* (+57) 10/* Implementations */
> 1725802907 962460 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138459&oldid=138015 5* 03None1 5* (+15) 10/* My Implementations */
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> 1725803035 482170 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfih14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138461&oldid=134365 5* 03None1 5* (+28) 10/* Implementation */
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> 1725804782 15491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Faustify 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Helloworld1.png10]]": First part of a Blues++ implementation of Hello World.
> 1725804858 726190 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Faustify 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Helloworld2.png10]]": Second part of a Blues++ implementation of Hello World
> 1725804872 838432 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Faustify 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Helloworld3.png10]]": Third part of a Blues++ implementation of Hello World
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> 1725805117 924631 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ORK/None1 again314]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138465 5* 03None1 5* (+567) 10Created page with "Let's be crazier!  1. Program 
 No, No, No, Historical records Disable lock screen Hide Menu Bar Click to set this setting as an option _Stay away from full screen display swing Hide Menu Bar 
 2. Translate:  Baidu: English -> Classical Chinese
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> 1725805429 771748 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ZhongWen/None114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138468 5* 03None1 5* (+2079) 10Created page with "1. Take the semiproduct 
 SRC T[UNK]kikik a  UNK]r character[UNK]chenbarder. >  <   ^ V            ..."
> 1725805529 314262 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138469&oldid=138248 5* 03None1 5* (+699) 10/* Translate it even scarier if thouyou want. */
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< 1725807596 191102 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I don't think it's stupid to look at Burn, but it's kind of surprising that somebody who isn't the original author would think that they can help remember how it works.
< 1725807659 777622 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my progress is stupid
< 1725807666 728479 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can see it on my talk page ig
< 1725807683 615422 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know. It reminds me of Prince's guitar licks. He was so certain that each and every little scrap of his music was worthy, so late in life he published a massive catalogue of random five-second snippets of guitar.
< 1725807707 861794 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :???wut???
< 1725807711 512290 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its just my ideas
< 1725807764 553797 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not saying that you should stop, nor that it's a stupid effort. I'm saying that it makes me think about the world.
< 1725807776 113690 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
> 1725808184 193991 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blues++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138471&oldid=138018 5* 03Faustify 5* (+2889) 10Updated information
> 1725809717 328283 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mountain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138472&oldid=124428 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+54) 10/* Commands */
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< 1725812988 936264 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello
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> 1725815181 207255 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FizzLang Unbounded14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138480&oldid=138233 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+166) 10Categories
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> 1725815425 906697 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ORK/Mihai Again14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138482 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+1129) 10Created page with "I made [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again4]] much worse ~~~~  1. Take the semi-product again 
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> 1725815624 644575 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Input hello world or else without a quine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138487&oldid=138432 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+122) 10Categories
> 1725815707 968940 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07QuickLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138488&oldid=138398 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+48) 10Categories
> 1725816045 956427 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Push-down automaton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138489&oldid=138309 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10Newline
> 1725816575 964198 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07106614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138490&oldid=81581 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4031) 10Improve page
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< 1725817079 495582 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im bored what esolang should i make?
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< 1725817507 514381 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Is there a way in Linux, for a C program to call a function to save the user memory of the program in a way that can later be restored? File descriptors should not be saved, and user/group IDs should not be saved, etc. ← not officially; old versions of Emacs used to do tha by dumping core, which makes the saving very easy, but restoring is much harder
< 1725817518 743471 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* do that
< 1725817574 243541 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Linux *did* add a lot of new syscalls semi-recently to make restoring that sort of memory image possible, though, to the extent of doing things like setting the base address to the stack to the same location as in a previous run of the program (rather than choosing it randomly)
< 1725817645 813006 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :As long as we're stepping outside of pure Linux, Capsicum can do that too.
< 1725817673 233514 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are programs that are designed to do that sort of dumping and undumping from outside a process, like CRIU 
< 1725817684 186677 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that's a bit different from having a call for a process to dump itself
> 1725817763 480930 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07...14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138493&oldid=117989 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-28) 10/* Interpreter */
< 1725817773 594653 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow, that's quite impressive in the list of things it can save and restore
< 1725817823 432267 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"open, established TCP connections" are not something I had in mind as being saveable and restorable (of course, you have to do it quickly enough that the other side of the connection doesn't give up and time out)
> 1725817838 715768 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138494&oldid=137857 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+101) 10
< 1725817870 429191 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im bored what esolang should i make?( sorry for resend)
< 1725817937 296464 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could try writing programs in existing esolangs, or interpreters for them
< 1725817946 691292 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that way you don't need a good idea to create something interesting
< 1725817997 372972 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im to stupid:( yes ik
< 1725818002 102542 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im very stupid
< 1725818083 273245 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : why is it that every minimaztation of BF has a problem with that when you try to minimize < and > you always end up having one preserved and the second one changed but sstill the same number of commands ← it's basically because >< does nothing in BF, so it's a great place for a minimization to work by adding side effects, you want >< to produce the side effect once so you have to add it to one of the movement directions but not the other
< 1725818083 529525 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they freeze all your friends and relatives with you so they aren't aged at all when you wake up, they recreate your half-finished steak dinner by frying a new slice of beef freshly and putting identical bitemarks in it with a replica of your teeth created from a mold, they adjust the planet's rotation and glue leaves back onto trees so you don't notice that the seasons have passed, 
< 1725818173 37695 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this was realted cuz i was making a bf minimalization
< 1725818193 158419 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dis is it: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainhook
< 1725818210 290977 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they remove the batteries from all your portable devices so that they don't get damaged by leaking acid, then put back new but partially drained batteries painted identically when they awaken you, they clone your dog and use smell samples from your clothes to train her to accept you as her master,
< 1725818251 242167 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, quick "is this TC" puzzle (I don't know the answer): BF where >+ and <- are commands but > + < - individually aren't
< 1725818264 661611 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my guess is yes
< 1725818280 627945 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :same here
< 1725818282 88303 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :☺
< 1725818300 963938 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: what? wouldn't that always leave the tape state like 1 1 ... 1 1 (head) 0 0 ...
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< 1725818334 513969 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah no
< 1725818345 133006 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because you said >+ and <- instead of >+ and -<
< 1725818346 113311 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, you can alternate between them to create more of a difference
< 1725818347 977309 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tricky
< 1725818351 164228 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you're probably thinking of >+ and -<, right
> 1725818356 832799 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/FIsh&Chips14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138495&oldid=138492 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+75) 10/* Syntax */
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< 1725818385 639461 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what if you ignore every second cell on the tape, allowing it to have an arbitrary value and never loop-testing it
< 1725818407 51821 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then decrement becomes >< and increment becomes <>, I think that trivially makes it TC
< 1725818436 11455 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep, right is >>>< and left is <<<> and then we have a simple translation back to BF
< 1725818458 311337 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do like the symmetry, though
< 1725818474 326155 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :♥
< 1725818520 431945 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that doesn't work in the BF flavor where overflowing or underflowing a cell raises undefined behavior
< 1725818577 79294 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I noticed that, but decided it wasn't worth mentioning because very few BF implementations work like that
< 1725818586 591078 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're nearly all either bignum or wrwap
< 1725818591 89921 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah
< 1725818624 512204 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the closest you get to something like that is Brainpocalypse (where underflow isn't UB but does have weird side effects)
< 1725818631 169559 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this works even if underflow or underflow leaves arbitrary value in the cell you're crementing
< 1725818665 99171 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I have to work out if we both coined "crement" as a verb independently or if you copied it from me – either way it's a bit surprising
< 1725818679 701454 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's a fairly obvious coinage?
< 1725818683 639612 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive made,my smallest bf minimilazation yet
< 1725818695 270337 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I copied it from elsewhere
< 1725818745 936792 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ipadwwwww: It's worth understanding that Brainfuck is already minimal over a certain kind of infinite-register machine. So taking features away from it is going to usually result in something that is fundamentally no longer about registers.
< 1725818771 921342 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I dumped a bunch of information related to this at [[Algebraic Brainfuck]] FWIW.
< 1725818772 977688 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1725818861 749678 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, on a personal note: don't think of yourself as stupid, just not yet researched. With time and careful reading, anybody can get into this stuff. Maths is always frustrating because it's about shortcuts and ways of thinking; it's not obvious, but must be taught.
< 1725818862 882011 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: what about messing with the control flow (e.g. Brainpocalypse, Brainpocalypse II)?
< 1725818892 266197 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1725818895 564252 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I imagine it's still TC for relatively small ranged of signed integers; you can control the growth of values by periodically copying things to the right. Bitwise Cyclic Tag might be a good target for getting a really small range.
< 1725818902 855427 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i cant learn the stuff
< 1725818915 49179 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also i have nothing else to make fun of ._.
< 1725818954 442382 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, now I am wondering how many pairs of brackets are needed to make non-bignum BF TC
< 1725818966 288423 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(with bignum BF you can do it with two pairs, which have to be nested for obvious reasons)
< 1725819012 356856 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I think both cases give us a finite-register machine?
< 1725819035 728868 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just ...[...[...]...]? Hmm.
< 1725819040 877487 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Brainpocalypse II is definitely a finite register machine; the original Brainpocalypse is less obvious
> 1725819043 625347 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainhooking14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138497 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+304) 10Created page with "'''brainhooking''' is [[brainhook]] but smaller. its made by the same creator == changes == first of all now theres only 500 cells(with wraping around), second of all the # command is gone, and - is changed to +(n) which will add the signed b
< 1725819047 690520 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: right
< 1725819054 432553 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yessss
< 1725819059 604755 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :brainhooking is done
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< 1725819068 838822 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :brainfuck but it hates you even more
< 1725819114 196520 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, I thought the minimal number of brainfuck brackets was already solved for non-bignum
< 1725819122 56543 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ipadwwwww: It might interest you that Brainfuck was never meant to be painful. It directly inherits from Corrado Böhm's P", which itself was intended to simplify Turing machines.
< 1725819151 533583 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ik `bout the p prine prine stuff
< 1725819160 169724 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but mine is made to be painfull:)
< 1725819161 614390 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Practical macro-based Brainfuck programming is slightly difficult, but not much harder than other handcoded assembly programs.
< 1725819184 436796 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I only remember work on the minimal nesting level
< 1725819191 212837 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: and the fun thing there is that P'' was minimised to start with, with one of +- being combined with one of <>
< 1725819194 99894 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh. Why? I'm not against BDSM but I'm curious about motivations.
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< 1725819238 939269 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yeah. Same thing that showed up in the semantics. I think it might be a sort of natural ring-ish situation, but I haven't proven anything about it. Proving facts about machines is hard and unfun.
< 1725819264 58074 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: no, Böhm has independently preinvented Brainfuck. 
< 1725819278 426429 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not really inheritance, it's more like parallle evolution
< 1725819282 864565 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, they left before I could mention the classics [[Malbolge]] and [[INTERCAL]].
> 1725819283 560247 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138500&oldid=138499 5* 03Ais523 5* (+433) 10/* can somebody explain why cant i make DISPLAYTITLE work properly */ it doesn't let you break links with it
< 1725819286 563657 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :convergent evolution or something
< 1725819320 539571 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wasn't Brainfuck from an Amiga hacker? But also yeah, Böhm definitely wasn't credited during his lifetime appropriately.
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< 1725819341 736679 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: INTERCAL does have some places where it's intentionally difficult, e.g. not having 32-bit numerical constants, but the restrictions are fairly minor
< 1725819364 722961 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think they're intended more to make programs look scarier/harder to read than they are to make programs harder to write
< 1725819429 335599 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a quote from the designers about how the way you initialise a 32-bit integer variable is intentionallly stupid, in order to make people look silly when they try to explain that it's the simplest way (but worded better than that)
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< 1725819458 281984 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the constant interleave/select dance (for example to add two numbers) is annoying
< 1725819471 983012 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1725819494 521680 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :trintercal made a good point though
< 1725819501 442224 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :INTERCAL's arithmetic only really shines in cases where you use selects to do something other than reversing the mingles
< 1725819516 162117 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :people *know* how boolean logic works and how to use it to do math
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< 1725819539 533576 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :imback
< 1725819541 378559 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> 0xAAAA
< 1725819542 714610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 43690
< 1725819547 996243 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :wb ipadwwwww 
< 1725819554 452667 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, mingles did have their one moment of glory in that FFT algorithm
< 1725819575 439969 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ipadwwwww: Welcome back. I was going to mention [[Malbolge]], which *is* designed to be difficult to write code for. [[INTERCAL]] is another classic, and its humor might appeal to you.
< 1725819579 510582 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and INTERCAL's select is a processor instruction on x86-64 nowadays, although they probably didn't borrow it from there)
< 1725819579 532321 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx APic
< 1725819610 189608 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the inverse of select is also a processor instruction on x86-64, which can be used to get an efficient mingle
< 1725819611 488342 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :These have something amazing in common that Brainfuck doesn't: we think that writing correct Malbolge or INTERCAL programs is computationally hard. Like, IIRC Malbolge is NP-hard?
< 1725819613 87277 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and oerjan's unlambda interpreter used a linear shift register as a counter (incrementing a heap pointer for allocations, all IIRC)
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< 1725819633 623060 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I don't think writing correct INTERCAL programs is computationally hard
< 1725819664 230995 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and Malbolge has been cracked to the extent that compilers into it exist
< 1725819666 866418 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :intercal came with a standard library that provided common operations like addition
< 1725819670 438911 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I thought that there was something about multiple-entry blocks and computing where to place PLEASEs. I freely confess I actively avoided learning INTERCAL.
< 1725819677 766733 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it has sane subroutines; that alone will make translation easy
< 1725819685 807422 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :malbolge is quite different
< 1725819719 507901 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: the compiler just checks that the PLEASE proportion is in the range 1/5 to 1/3 inclusive, you can fulfil that requirement by placing a PLEASE on the third, seventh, eleventh, fifteenth, etc. statement
< 1725819722 426499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are no restrictions on where you can PLEASE the compiler.
< 1725819755 226531 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The stupidest thing is that you have to cover all paths to check whether you suffered from the random compiler bug.
< 1725819760 804169 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might be fun to base it on the ratio of statements executed (continuously evaluated) rather than the ratio of statements in the source, that would be much more confusing to think about
< 1725819767 826826 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(which C-INTERCAL allows you to disable)
< 1725819786 513966 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it kind-of has to be disabled to be able to write reliable test suites
< 1725819794 470992 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, I didn't know PLEASE was a static requirement. I thought it *was* measured line-by-line, like some sort of demented BASIC runtime counter.
< 1725819796 877299 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think all the compilers that have that let you turn it off, including the original
< 1725819819 737293 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although CLC-INTERCAL has two random compiler bugs with different probabilities, and different options to disable each of them
< 1725819838 767362 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I fondly remember the circuitious diagram.
< 1725819855 207572 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :-i
< 1725819872 468783 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should check the prononciation of that word!
< 1725819883 8016 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:INTERCAL_Circuitous_Diagram.svg
< 1725819904 770732 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah I was pronouncing it wrong, mentally. It's not that I've ever used it in speech...
< 1725819981 823718 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had heard it used in other contexts earlier, so I knew how it was pronounced – but it's not like people would be likely to guess it from the spelling
< 1725820079 434533 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it reminds me of English place names, they nearly all have pronunciations that are very abbreviated compared to their spelling and would be hard to guess for a foreigner, but after a while you start to see patterns – and then a name like "Cirencester" comes along which is, unexpectedly, pronounced pretty similarly to how it is spelled and confuses everyone
< 1725820097 33051 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(compare to, e.g., "Leicester" which is pronounced "lester")
< 1725820168 131649 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :why did I misspell "pronunciation"
< 1725820174 786467 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway
< 1725820185 823291 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is a hard word to spell, I had to look it up and I hardly ever have to do that
< 1725820205 896675 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in particular the spelling does not exactly match "pronounce"
< 1725820271 763158 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I do make quite a lot of spelling errors, but the vast majority are typos rather than not knowing the correct spelling, or typing homophones because for some reason my brain works by converting words into sound and then back into letters when I type them)
< 1725820286 151580 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a word I've actually learned to spell though. So it's mostly sloppiness.
< 1725820329 568813 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll live :)
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< 1725821456 478229 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I noticed that the mmap function has flags MAP_GROWSDOWN and MAP_STACK for stacks; if combining with MAP_FIXED and with assembly code, can it be used to restore the stacks? Hopefully a library can be made with handles stuff specific to instruction sets and operating systems, and the application program only needs to call the function to save the state.
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> 1725859344 584188 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Unname4798 5*  10moved [[02Gd auto level10]] to [[GD auto level]]
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> 1725859766 778948 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Complex StackBeat14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138546 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+239) 10Created page with "{{stub}} '''Complex StackBeat''' is a version of [[StackBeat]] where it includes other stuff in ByteBeat created by [[User:Ractangle]] ==Syntax== {{cd|T}}:{{cd|||}} operator 
{{cd|F}}:{{cd|&&}} operator"
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< 1725863050 860004 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :difficult than with a more general scheme, but not seriously so, as examples of microcode
< 1725863051 729148 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :demonstrate. "
< 1725863054 534895 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://bitsavers.org/pdf/xerox/alto/Alto_Hardware_Manual_Aug76.pdf
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< 1725879772 66621 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(or cheat by modifying the input, but that's not a long-term solution)
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  2. Translate:  Baidu: Korean -> Indonesian  Microsoft: Indonesian -> Classical Chinese  Baidu: Classical Chinese -> Hebrew  Micr
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< 1725886869 436538 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :finally done:D
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> 1725889070 201615 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Project Euler/2014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138593&oldid=137145 5* 03None1 5* (+16) 10/* I fuck, you fuck */
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> 1725889212 308863 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07VERPNL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138595 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (+232) 10Created page with "{{Stub}}{{WIP}} VERPNL stands for Vietnamese "Extendable" Reverse Polish Notation Language. The specific meaning of "Extendable" is not specified, but the language idea and name is created 6 months ago and now I'm creating the page."
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> 1725891059 164901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mepytaruon14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138602&oldid=94057 5* 03Ardemit 5* (-222) 10The interpreter is no longer public
> 1725891127 263793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Xyzzy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138603&oldid=138596 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (+97) 10
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< 1725891835 586681 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why is xkcd and esolangs involved so much???
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> 1725892462 808464 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Scratch is dumb14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138611&oldid=138610 5* 03None1 5* (+351) 10
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< 1725893454 67765 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what esiolang should i make?
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< 1725903575 789912 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey guys i made dis:
< 1725903576 290492 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/.chat
< 1725904207 440047 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :feeback?
> 1725904333 536469 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname4798/vector.css14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138617 5* 03Unname4798 5* (+24) 10Created page with "pre {   overflow:auto; }"
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> 1725904703 696690 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03PiggyPigCute 5*  10New user account
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< 1725904967 442742 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :stupid question, why does Linux have an mlock2 system call, why isn't the interface just new advise types to madvise?
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> 1725905042 450826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PiggyPigCute14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138622 5* 03PiggyPigCute 5* (+161) 10that's me :)
< 1725905049 945181 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im very confused
> 1725905329 5359 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072 Player14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138623 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+910) 10Created page with "'''2 Player''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]]. its a 2d esolang with two pointers: the data and code pointer. they both move starting going left in the upper left corner of the program == commands == {| class="wikitable" |+ commands |- ! command !! descrip
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< 1725907589 569018 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Because Google keeps paying for new syscalls instead of adopting memory-safe programming practices.
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< 1725908589 895104 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: wait, is that like when CPU manufacturers design instruction set extensions such that they can say a high number in marketing for how many new instructions they support, or calculators that have "242 functions" written on their packaging material?
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< 1725909009 804674 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Wow, that's an interesting analogy. I'll have to think about that, thanks.
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< 1725909156 58655 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, tangential to that... I'm wondering whether AVX-512 was introduced so that after switching to 64 byte cache lines, you once again have operations that operate on a whole cache line's worth of data at a time.
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< 1725909288 36699 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I don't think so. 
< 1725909373 643790 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it was introduced so that by the time we have CPUs with execution units 64 bytes wide we already have the compilers and other tools to support them working. it's better than releasing new CPUs that perform twice as fast in theoretical measurement but no programs that you'll ever see use that extra capability.
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> 1725917580 583052 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GD auto level14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138652&oldid=138637 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+3) 10grrrr GRRRR WHAT DID YOU DO TO MY ARTICLES?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?
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< 1725924832 791505 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a way with the "openssl" command to connect and send a client hello message and then display the server's messages and extensions but then to send an error code and not begin the application protocol? I will just want to see what extensions and other features the server will send, e.g. if it requests a client certificate, what parameters are included in the request.
< 1725925141 345571 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If it requests a client certificate and what the parameters are, is specifically what I intended to check.
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< 1725926129 114582 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It only says "No client certificate CA names sent". I know the server accepts client certificates (and it accepts self-signed certificates, so a certificate authority is not needed), but what I want to know is what key types and signature types the server claims are acceptable.
< 1725926261 354779 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no idea how to use Smalltalk-72
< 1725926270 946423 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a manual, I should probably... read it
< 1725926331 433450 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm still boggling at the idea of just... having different CPU architectures for different languages, and making the CPU emulate different ones, and... switching OSes to a rewritten version just to run a program in a different language
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< 1725928466 656926 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
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< 1725940383 918406 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: Biological metaphors might help. Kay was fascinated by what's known as the "central dogma" of genetics: a strand of DNA is encoded instructions to a certain kind of protein.
< 1725940428 728900 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It turns out that there's more than one encoding and also that DNA isn't the only encoding medium. I imagine Kay was thinking of the same sort of change-of-encoding situation.
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> 1725949966 530644 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kava14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138664&oldid=138036 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* Truth-machine */
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> 1725952751 165221 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138671&oldid=138670 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+32) 10/* C# */
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< 1725958750 923355 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :HTML question. Do browsers these days have some built-in CSS stuff to make the column widths of a table resizable by the user, such as by dragging the borders in the header row, or is this only available as client-side scripts?
< 1725958922 298772 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, there's a CSS property called resize. I'll have to test that.
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> 1725961210 295007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:B4K3D14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138673 5* 03B4k3d 5* (+39) 10Created page with "Hi can't wait to sumbit my eso-slang ;D"
> 1725961504 512179 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B4k3d14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138674 5* 03B4k3d 5* (+112) 10Created page with "> Refining syntax > formal specification  > custom interpreter or compiler for programs  > will provide examples"
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> 1725968321 205830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03None1 5*  10moved [[02Project Euler10]] to [[Project Euler (language)]]: Move project euler language to another page so that project euler problems can have its page properly
> 1725968321 222958 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03None1 5*  10moved [[02Talk:Project Euler/110]] to [[Talk:Project Euler (language)/1]]: Move project euler language to another page so that project euler problems can have its page properly
> 1725968489 429372 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03None1 5*  10moved [[02Talk:Project Euler (language)/110]] to [[Talk:Project Euler/1]] over redirect: Move accidentally moved page back
> 1725968489 444400 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete_redir10 02 5* 03None1 5*  10None1 deleted redirect [[02Talk:Project Euler/110]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[Talk:Project Euler (language)/1]]"
> 1725968531 651751 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Project Euler14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138686&oldid=138681 5* 03None1 5* (-7) 10Changed redirect target from [[Project Euler (language)]] to [[User:ProjectEuler]]
> 1725968584 130057 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scratch14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138687 5* 03None1 5* (+26) 10Redirected page to [[User:Scratch]]
> 1725968636 771303 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Project Euler (language)/114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138688&oldid=138685 5* 03None1 5* (-34) 10Blanked the page
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> 1725974685 175678 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Expansion14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138698&oldid=123856 5* 03None1 5* (-7) 10/* A+B Problem */ Formatting does not work in pre
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> 1725977550 764362 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BIO14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138700&oldid=85448 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-13) 10if there is a non userpage it should be linked to
> 1725977695 127397 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GD Auto level14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138701&oldid=138675 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+0) 10stop it now unname4798
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> 1725977880 339820 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GD Auto level14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138703&oldid=138701 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (-1131) 10Replaced content with "{{Lowercase}} im sorry, you must mean [[gd auto level|this]]"
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> 1725978094 714578 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Scratch is dumb14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138705&oldid=138611 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (+405) 10
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> 1725978389 745584 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ETA14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138709 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (+166) 10Created page with "suprised no one has talked yet --~~~~ - the person behind the instruction table on this page"
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> 1725979598 560205 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138717&oldid=138716 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (-2) 10
< 1725979857 831267 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i had an idea to make a esolang based on turnabelism
< 1725980044 299748 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. Have you seen the various notations that have been invented in the past couple decades?
< 1725980083 98601 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its a pretty weird idea
< 1725980125 8118 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have too tapes or whatever
< 1725980131 410735 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with looping marks n' stuff
< 1725980158 816107 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and recors onto another tape
< 1725980380 348966 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if there becomes an over record(so we dont stop in time) we will rterecord
< 1725980382 800529 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that my idea
< 1725980711 707254 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo now
< 1725980719 885050 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*no
< 1725980872 78033 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: One notation is DJ Radar's notation; I gather that it's used to teach at Berklee but can't find any details online.
< 1725980878 173160 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another is S-notation: https://www.tenor-conference.org/proceedings/2016/07_Sonnenfeld_tenor2016.pdf
< 1725980951 198311 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i would like to make mi own(cuz i hate myself) but oh well
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< 1725981046 26050 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Well, what's the goal?
< 1725981119 153472 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It might surprise you to learn that many of us have specific aims when creating new languages. For example, I do PLT research and I call some projects "esoteric" so that I don't have to argue about what's "practical" or "marketable".
< 1725981153 129785 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Several folks are working on fundamentals of computability theory. Some folks want to make languages that are difficult to use. Some folks are making art.
< 1725981160 849887 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my goal is to have something to do cuz im always bored cuz im a loner:(
< 1725981176 322219 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my goal is to keep myself sane ig:)
< 1725981178 726084 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is the way
< 1725981192 883534 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1725981206 563749 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh! Try Touhou. You will not be bored but you might lose some sanity.
< 1725981240 231198 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh no im not a gamer
< 1725981248 221066 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also i cant play it cuz i use old puter
< 1725981249 816163 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's nothing wrong with recreational conlangs, but keep in mind that languages are for *communicating*. It might not be the best solo activity.
< 1725981281 57403 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for me no
< 1725981286 988061 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for me esolangs are
< 1725981291 477628 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to experiment
< 1725981296 804761 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do special stuff
< 1725981299 26103 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do new stuff
< 1725981338 620805 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but non esolang's are like that yea
< 1725981460 855467 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No worries. As long as you're having fun and following community guidelines, we invite folks to make art and experiment.
< 1725981474 234392 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1725981475 235254 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx
< 1725981597 79638 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION idly wonders what a recreational conlang is

< 1725982502 59061 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway is my esolang idea good korvo
< 1725982509 117607 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and can i get some help
< 1725982561 607099 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: That's why I asked what your goal is.
< 1725982575 646121 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1725982599 853770 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well now you know ig:)
< 1725982705 942444 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't see why an esolang would need a goal?
< 1725982750 162256 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1725984279 18622 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: my only advice is to start with something tiny
< 1725984291 570442 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1725984320 563559 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :since it probably won't be used by anyone it's usually not worth the effort to invest a lot of time into a language
< 1725984388 525382 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idc
< 1725984396 498971 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :time doest matter to me lol
> 1725986309 211076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138718&oldid=138717 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-2) 10/* Erase data in a cell */ Header, formatting
< 1725986649 430383 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what would happen ona computer if you fr just adeed two things that are underfined together?
< 1725986652 760255 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like just did that
< 1725986656 926980 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with no care in the world
< 1725986664 51547 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :WHAT WOULD HAPPEN?
< 1725986976 682288 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ask chatgpt
< 1725986989 364486 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gud idea lol
< 1725986991 215265 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :How do you have something undefined on a computer?
< 1725987018 289862 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like lets say python where you do a + b but none of them are defined??
< 1725987025 870274 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BUT YOU JUST LET IT HAPPEN
< 1725987028 857417 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sor for caps
< 1725987036 114285 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :without gigving an error?
< 1725987038 755485 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*giving
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< 1725988353 999701 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :asked chatgpt
< 1725988356 512797 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no gud answer
< 1725988376 914572 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what a twist
< 1725988410 530428 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
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< 1725989095 583969 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im so bored idk what to do
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> 1725990840 528747 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138719&oldid=138718 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-102) 10/* Interpreter */
< 1725990904 970653 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: It might be hard to think about, but technically a CPU never has undefined behavior. Similarly, every Python name refers to some object, and Python's VM defines their interactions.
< 1725990921 568354 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :interesting
< 1725990930 488928 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so what would happen
< 1725990935 513560 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wouæd i just get garbage?
> 1725990946 369104 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138720&oldid=138719 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+17) 10/* Syntax */
< 1725990979 597618 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I'm asking you how the situation arises in the first place.
< 1725991194 524179 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well i said. but now when you say that
< 1725991200 918156 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it wouldnt be undefined
< 1725991244 297225 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :In Python, it's not possible to get into this situation without manually writing bytecode. The VM will LOAD_FAST both `a` and `b`, then BINARY_OP them with `+`.
< 1725991268 941567 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1725991269 950431 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :kk
< 1725991277 49403 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The typical CPU can't really do this either. If you ask it to ADD two registers, then it'll do that regardless of whether you put values into those registers.
< 1725991326 155261 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :When folks say that a behavior is undefined, they are usually being *epistemic*, not *ontic*. They're talking about *what we know* about the CPU, not *what it actually does*.
> 1725991394 462398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138721&oldid=138699 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+55) 10/* Languages with halting instructions/infinite loops */
> 1725991505 319820 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138722&oldid=138721 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+35) 10/* ////Thue/Expansion */
> 1725991625 904371 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138723&oldid=138722 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+9) 10/* ////Thue/Expansion/A=B */
< 1725991639 504585 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well
< 1725991642 333138 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have an answer
< 1725991717 896527 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and another question
> 1725991719 887140 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138724&oldid=138723 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+17) 10/* Languages with halting instructions/infinite loops */
< 1725991825 774981 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that is what if you just let the CPU do whatever
< 1725991927 904198 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think some instructions in 6502 are unstable, although this is different from the undefined behaviour in programming languages such as C.
> 1725992242 203694 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138725&oldid=138724 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+161) 10/* ////Thue/Expansion/A=B */
< 1725992340 475520 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Then you get what we call a "weird machine": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weird_machine
< 1725992359 275327 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even here, though, we see that the CPU tends to enter stable "weird states" which are programmable with "weird instructions".
< 1725992388 297334 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oooo
< 1725992402 231159 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i would like to see a esolang like dis
> 1725992442 466789 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138726&oldid=138720 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+66) 10
< 1725992517 966597 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :imma make a weirdmachie rn
< 1725992521 839692 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk how
< 1725992523 950268 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i will
< 1725992773 421286 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plz help
< 1725992784 815566 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how would you do it?
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> 1725993292 87885 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138727&oldid=138726 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+34) 10/* Interpreter */
> 1725993311 641834 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138728&oldid=138727 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+8) 10/* Interpreter */
> 1725993379 508843 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Triforce14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138729 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+124) 10Created page with "a space is not a triangle(lol) -x-~~~~"
< 1725993762 309944 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW83: Weird machines usually arise from security vulnerabilities. To start building an understanding, maybe look up heap-spraying attacks in Web browsers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heap_spraying
< 1725993785 563012 :wWwwW83!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im not trying to hack lol
< 1725993799 439614 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The instructions normally would be interpreted as allocating objects in a loop. But they are actually weird instructions for confusing the underlying garbage collector.
< 1725993890 50422 :wWwwW83!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wouldnt that be [-] for currentm cell in bf(lol?)
< 1725993893 646821 :wWwwW83!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sounds like it
< 1725993895 276261 :wWwwW83!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but idk
< 1725994013 136431 :wWwwW83!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1725994027 407865 :wWwwW83!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think ive made one
< 1725994028 406770 :wWwwW83!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1725994395 498132 :wWwwW83!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i did it it think
< 1725994397 657336 :wWwwW83!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :less gooo
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> 1725995462 833382 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138731&oldid=138730 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, world! */
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> 1725995932 140130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138733&oldid=138731 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+114) 10/* Examples */
> 1725995941 404580 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138734&oldid=138733 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* =Move data from a cell to an another cell */
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> 1725998047 291915 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138736&oldid=138735 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, world! */
> 1725998053 425742 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138737&oldid=138736 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, world! */
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> 1726000320 397787 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipFlop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138740&oldid=135022 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-8) 10
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> 1726003518 824770 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10moved [[02GD Auto level10]] to [[Gd auto level]]: history merge to revert pagemove vandalism
> 1726003518 840143 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Gd auto level10]]": Deleted to make way for move from "[[GD Auto level]]"
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> 1726003634 539015 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GD auto level14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138746&oldid=138676 5* 03Ais523 5* (+0) 10fix double redirect after move war
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< 1726004522 82796 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : wWwwW: It might be hard to think about, but technically a CPU never has undefined behavior. ← I'm not convinced I agree – many CPUs have instructions documented as having behaviour that isn't defined in all circumstances, and in some cases (e.g. the 6502) the behaviour is not consistent in practice either
< 1726004626 785926 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although there are also cases where the behaviour is documented as undefined, but is in fact 100% consistent, and the manufacturer has kept it consistent for compatibility reasons even though it would be more efficient to change it
< 1726004660 979832 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. on x86/x86-64, BSF on a register holds 0 (documented as undefined by Intel, and as leaving the register unchanged by AMD – Intel's behaviour in practice is the same as AMD's)
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< 1726004691 802216 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but there are plenty of cases where the behaviour depends on analog effects, and those in turn can depend on noise
< 1726004803 301906 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I think most CPUs can't get into a state where a register doesn't have a value – but it's quite common to get "open bus" behaviour when older CPUs attempt to read a memory address that doesn't correspond to physical memory
< 1726004864 71950 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which typically returns some value that was recently read or written using the same wires, or some default value if they weren't recently used, but in between you get a mix and the length of time it takes to go from one state to the other varies based on analog factors
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< 1726010018 123765 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. Also, not undefined behavior, but x86 has a bunch of cases for old instructions where the documentation says that some or all of the arithmetic FLAGS bits are left with an undefined value. This can happen with at least AND, OR, XOR, TEST; SHR, SAL, SAR, ROL, ROR, RCL, RCR; MUL, IMUL, DIV, IDIV; BT, BTR, BTS, BTC; BSF, BSR; AAA, AAS, AAD, AAM, DAA, DAS. That's almost every old instruction that can 
< 1726010024 363312 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :modify the arithmetic bits in the flags, except for ADD, ADC, SUB, SBB, CMP, INC, DEC; CMC, CLC, STC; SAHF, and the ones that load the entire FLAGS or EFLAGS. Newer instructions usually avoid this sort of undefined result.
< 1726010085 517710 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I actually don't know what those instructions do to the flags in practice, nor whether or not it's consistent
< 1726010097 803886 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know either
< 1726010127 414736 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BSF leaving the register unchanged is an interesting problem for compiler writers, though, because if you choose to rely on that behaviour you can make the asm considerably simpler and less branchy
< 1726010135 506844 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, it's relying on UB
< 1726010146 96601 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :LLVM chooses not to rely on the UB, at least when compiling Rust
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< 1726010397 443148 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: wait, that is UB? I thought that was documented, but I also thought it was usually not worth to use on modern CPUs, which specifically add a prefixed variant for BSF and BSR with very different opcodes that does not do that to avoid the extra dependency on the old value of the register
> 1726010483 896378 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Scratch is dumb14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138749&oldid=138705 5* 03None1 5* (+266) 10
< 1726010568 134043 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or do you mean using the undefined behavior offered by the source language (eg. C) low-level function?
< 1726010570 994869 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it's UB on Intel but not AMD, according to the docs
< 1726010602 715878 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on modern CPUs, you just use lzcnt and tzcnt, yes, but current compilers aren't by default generating code that assumes they're available
< 1726010633 627021 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, you're right, the Intel docs says that the destination register gains undefined value after BSF and BSR with 0 input operand
< 1726010638 633066 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hadn't known that
< 1726010666 578213 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, they get interpreted as their older equivalent on older CPUs, which is useful in the case of tzcnt because the results are the same for all arguments except 0
< 1726010686 474187 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you can just set the result register to 64 and then tzcnt, and you get the right result on both new and old CPUs
< 1726010702 426784 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this doesn't work with lzcnt becaue the return values are different
< 1726010733 523965 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesn't work with LZCNT? interesting, I never noticed that
< 1726010763 96462 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because LZCNT counts 0 = most significant and the old instruction counts 0 = least significant
< 1726010778 76584 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you can't interpret the return value without knowing which instruction you used
< 1726010809 568741 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :when were these instructions added? between SSE4.2 and AVX with the marketing bit-manipulation instructions like BLSI? or earlier?
< 1726010891 391236 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it isn't obvious because they have their own feature flag, so it might not even be monotonically increasing
< 1726010942 66731 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, Wikipedia says it's part of BMI1 and just has the feature flags done weirdly
< 1726010943 374672 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure
< 1726010989 56967 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, and AMD got there first
< 1726010995 193619 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which nearly *always* screws up the feature flags
< 1726011031 614640 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, LZCNT is by AMD and TZCNT by Intel, just to make things as thoroughly confusing as possible
< 1726011044 185320 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :rofl
< 1726011080 825657 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds like a mess
< 1726011138 363875 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the ABM flag (which AMD invented) reflects LZCNT support, and BMI1 reflects TZCNT support, on both AMD and Intel processors; but all Intel processors that set either set both
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< 1726011219 403587 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it looks like TZCNT and LZCNT were added roughly at the same time as AVX2, so later than I thought
< 1726011273 497889 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Intel added them at the same time as the BMI2 instructions (which include the select operator from INTERCAL)
< 1726011428 853223 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that was around AVX2, rather than before AVX like I implied earlier. ok.
< 1726011472 157491 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :AVX confuses me because I can never remember which instructions it does
< 1726011474 78987 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then it's not that surprising that compilers can often still not use it if you don't specifically target a later processor
< 1726011499 163541 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIRC it was a more efficient API and more consistent encodings for the existing SSE instructions, plus a few 256-bit instructions but not very many of them?
< 1726011519 707132 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, is there an equivalent of caniuse.com but for processor instructions?
< 1726011549 112909 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm mostly interested in whether targeting AVX2/BMI2 by default is reasonable nowadays or whether there are likely to be users who don't have support
< 1726011557 346326 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you mean? AVX contains vector instructions similar to SSE2, but they're encoded in a very different way, and the floating-point ones can be either 32 byte wide (on the newly introduced YMM registers) or 16 bytes wide, while the integer ones can only be 16 byte wide, right? 
< 1726011579 433667 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, is it just a float/int split?
< 1726011590 958075 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought it implemented a few of the instructions at 32 but most at 16
< 1726011628 346966 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this might explain why LLVM prefers to use floating-point instructions for memcpy, if they were added before the equivalent integer instructions
< 1726011631 506035 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it also has lots of new vector instructions for integers, but I think the 32 bytes is just floating points
< 1726011688 506113 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, I think the general performance advice with vector registers is "you can use the 16-byte ones for occasional use without trouble but the 32-byte ones only help if you use them heavily"
< 1726011705 80766 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but this later got fixed by AVX2 which I think added 32 byte long versions for all the integer vector AVX instructions (except that some of the shuffling instructions shuffle only within a 16 byte block and there are new possibly slower shuffler instructions for the full 32 bytes wide)
< 1726011741 926909 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :calling conventions for AVX2 are a mess – it doesn't mix well performance-wise with SSE-encoded vector instructions
< 1726011745 6413 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also all the AVX vector instructions have a name starting with V and they clear the top half of the YMM registers even if they only do a 16 byte operation -- the existing SSE2 instructions couldn't be modified this way because of ABI compatibility
< 1726011758 296725 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep
< 1726011782 141605 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, but I think that's s/calling conventions for AVX2/calling conventions for AVX/
< 1726011805 264516 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the ABI requires a vzeroupper before calling or returning from a function, if you use the high half of a vector
< 1726011820 323929 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that if the other function uses SSE there isn't a performance penalty
< 1726011866 542934 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, but this is becoming less of a problem on later processors
< 1726011949 225627 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the ABI incompatibility is real and can't be fixed without defining a whole new incompatible ABI for which you have to recompile every user-level library, but the penalty almost never applies to recent CPUs because the processors are better optimized to handle this
< 1726012276 901569 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also AVX adds some new floating-point vector instructions, and some non-vector instructions, and it does *not* add many new integer vector arithmetic instructions despite what I said
< 1726012524 509771 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the new integer vector instructions are added by SSE3 and SSE4_2 (which precede AVX) and then AVX512, with only a few in AVX and AVX2
< 1726012530 653958 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or at least few that I care about
< 1726012774 87657 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : the ABI incompatibility is real and can't be fixed without defining a whole new incompatible ABI for which you have to recompile every user-level library, but the penalty almost never applies to recent CPUs because the processors are better optimized to handle this ← IIRC the modern processors are actually worse-optimised to handle all the combinations, some optimisations were removed to simplify the situations where they weren't neeed
< 1726012778 717156 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*needed
< 1726012802 135030 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think modern processors are slow if you use leave a value in the top half of the YMM registers and then use SSE instructions, older ones had a special case for that
< 1726012820 48127 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, modern compilers know that doing that is slow, and take care to not leave a value in the top half
< 1726012878 898447 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I remember being disappointed that AVX and AVX2 don't have any multiplications bigger than a 32-to-64-bit widening multiply
< 1726012898 352297 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to be honest a lot of the newly added instructions feel weird to me, like they're there either for marketing to boost the number of mnemonics, or to help beginner programmers who don't understand enough programming to use the smaller but versatile SSE/SSE2/SSE3/SSE4_2 instruction set. not all instructions are like that, some are genuinely useful new features, just a lot of them.
< 1726012903 657737 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if I need to do 64-bit multiplies, it is not even worth vectorising, as I'd have to use the entire vector unit just to do the individual parts of the multiply
< 1726012936 758884 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I think they're there for marketing but for a different reason: companies paying Intel to add really specific commands that would help some particular project they're working on
< 1726012943 677665 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and Intel not caring that they're useless for everyone else
< 1726012948 867781 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, unless you can use double float multiplications
< 1726012980 234671 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: possible
< 1726013004 338027 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :float multiply on integers only gives you 53 or 54 bits, right? so that's worse than 32-to-64 widening multiply unless your arguments are very unbalanced
< 1726013022 117777 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(assuming a double-precision float)
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< 1726013126 241485 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, but only if you want the whole integer result. sometimes you'll want only the high bits. 
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< 1726013199 773371 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though maybe that doesn't happen that often when 32 bits aren't enough and you aren't already working with double floats
< 1726013424 918754 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I think the double float multiply can be useful for geometric distorting high bit depth (between 10 and 16 bits inclusive, such as raw from camera sensor) pixmap images without losing much precision
< 1726013647 282015 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(well not raw camera sensor really, but after debayering)\
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< 1726013998 11999 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use a keyboard with a 101/104 key style enter key at home, and a keyboard with a 102/105 key style enter key at work. You have to press enter at somewhat different places between the two. This results in me often pressing enter wrong, and *in both directions* that often results in pressing the backslash key by accident togethr with enter. This is probably the closest I have to a true "walked uphill 
< 1726014004 20477 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :both ways" story.
< 1726014263 837857 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, the UK keyboard layout has a confusing Enter key placement, but backslash is on the entire opposite end of the keyboard
< 1726014291 168009 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Return and # together occupy the space that would be occupied entirely by Return on a US keyboard
< 1726014332 492475 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, if you press # on a keyboard that's physically a UK keyboard, but set to a US keyboard layout, you get \ (which is a little weird – I would have expected it to act as Return)
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< 1726022054 333979 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523, b_jonas: I agree with all your points. I was hoping to show wwwww that, when it comes to programming machines, you can't really set the machine to an undefined state, only a state you don't know much about.
< 1726022086 963703 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, the entire reason why programming is so difficult is because no matter what you do, all you can really give the computer is a pile of details, each one perfectly observed.
< 1726022112 927498 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or to paraphrase the classic film Anchorman, the computer will read *exactly* what you tell it to read.
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> 1726061827 657198 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Solve for x14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138770&oldid=138769 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+14) 10
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> 1726062191 955898 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Solve for x14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138772&oldid=138771 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-866) 10Blanked the page
< 1726062204 806054 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait im moving it
> 1726062259 198378 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ironlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138773&oldid=135125 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (+84) 10/* Instructions */
> 1726062333 771132 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Final Word Of The Day14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138774 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+911) 10Created page with "'''Final Word Of The Day''' is a esolang that yet you cant program in. this is becuase Solve for x is a esolang that you must solve for. it was created by [[User:Yayimhere]] == properties == (from now on i will be saying x to represent Final Word Of The D
> 1726062348 897680 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Final Word Of The Day14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138775&oldid=138774 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+10) 10
> 1726062458 949121 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138776&oldid=138756 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+10) 10
< 1726062735 243471 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can YOU solve for x? https://esolangs.org/wiki/Final_Word_Of_The_Day
> 1726062912 879090 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Final Word Of The Day14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138777&oldid=138775 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+34) 10
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< 1726064842 204592 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wonder if anybody can tho...
> 1726064993 901202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:013414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138778&oldid=136413 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+151) 10
> 1726065013 391216 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:013414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138779&oldid=138778 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+2) 10
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> 1726065699 401461 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fixed Repeating Output14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138782&oldid=138781 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+85) 10
> 1726065824 558827 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138783&oldid=138766 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-14) 10/* Interpreter */
> 1726065899 109532 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fixed Repeating Output14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138784&oldid=138782 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+70) 10/* Brainfuck+2 */
> 1726065923 369497 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fixed Repeating Output14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138785&oldid=138784 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-69) 10Wrong place
> 1726065934 630055 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fixed Repeating Output14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138786&oldid=138785 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+69) 10There
> 1726066642 156633 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Seclusion14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138787&oldid=118684 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+0) 10
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> 1726067599 689697 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:SubI machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138788 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+160) 10Created page with "delete TC tag while its not prooven bro. i will do it if you dont [-~~~~-]"
> 1726068084 833235 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Graypinkfurball 5*  10New user account
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> 1726069251 203045 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Looping counter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138789&oldid=138404 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+43) 10/* G# */
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> 1726069813 662158 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Looping counter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138792&oldid=138791 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-44) 10/* How dare you fuck the brain */ also not a looping counter since its not unary
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> 1726070386 772840 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Looping counter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138794&oldid=138792 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10/* REG.TYPE = STR TRUE */
< 1726070824 150579 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now i need help
< 1726070838 55566 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its kinda boring on the https://esolangs.org/wiki/Final_Word_Of_The_Day page
< 1726070847 87542 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its jyst the properties
< 1726070858 627490 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so can i get help finding a eso,.ang that works
< 1726071328 399703 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: What will you do with it?
< 1726071338 862951 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :code
< 1726071341 953836 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hate myself
< 1726071349 248837 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :add to page
< 1726071354 341783 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to make it interesting
< 1726071433 979495 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Sure, code, but code *what*? What do you want to express? What do you want to communicate? What do you want your art to mean?
< 1726071579 248159 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i want my art to mean:
< 1726071579 748348 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im bored all day
< 1726071580 249279 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think many things are interesting
< 1726071580 748494 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :concepts are to be tested an used in the wrong places
< 1726071581 247996 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what i want to code(bascially my goals):
< 1726071581 752226 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :truth machine
< 1726071582 248891 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :looping counter
< 1726071582 748678 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :TC proof(since it has to be)
< 1726071584 122590 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1726071697 681417 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Am I right in guessing that you're a young student still learning about the world? Or are you an adult returning to this world after experiencing real life?
< 1726071708 830012 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :first
< 1726071713 229832 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so yes
< 1726071717 840523 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also i
< 1726071725 946985 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :..lets say i have a hard time in school
< 1726071727 152508 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would encourage students to examine many *different* ways of existing. For computers, this means many different languages.
< 1726071732 994605 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, no worries. I'm a dropout.
< 1726071739 390960 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh ok
< 1726071747 70847 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :very smart then
< 1726071748 551766 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yea
< 1726071753 602861 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nonetheless studying is required. Try to draw a distinction between work done for grades and work done for exploration.
< 1726071754 124131 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i like to browse the wiki
< 1726071759 343093 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with random
< 1726071772 186271 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to see different stuff
< 1726071783 429084 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :One technique I really liked at university was forcing students to explore different "paradigms" of programming, from different families of language design.
< 1726071798 50498 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive *tried* to do that
< 1726071801 799438 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like
< 1726071805 503542 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :object
< 1726071808 837479 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :declarative
< 1726071822 876731 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :other stuff
< 1726071829 678392 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :functional
< 1726071837 782090 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, you should spend 4wks *each* with a language from each of the families: Prolog, Smalltalk, Forth, Lisp, ML, and then an ALGOL for comparison.
< 1726071841 250306 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :string rewriting
< 1726071857 964284 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(^rlly like dis one^)
< 1726071908 346081 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :will try that
< 1726071913 343302 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nah, you need an immersion in the *languages*, not just the "paradigms". Like, concretely try writing programs in miniKanren, Pharo, Factor, Racket, OCaml (or Haskell?) and then return to Python to see what you've learned.
< 1726071927 519348 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not haskell
< 1726071937 805135 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also i don think i have time for that
< 1726071941 67882 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to learn stuff
< 1726071950 540202 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also im a slow learner
< 1726071969 425144 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Explore what makes them useful. miniKanren is great for constraint solving (CSP). Pharo has interesting GUI and Web tools. Factor and OCaml will bend your mind. Racket will show you how to make new languages.
< 1726071990 209783 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726072021 779167 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...Weren't you just saying that you were bored? A bored artist is not interesting. To be artistic is to constantly struggle to express oneself.
< 1726072037 654233 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well i do that too
< 1726072040 298555 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im bored
< 1726072046 70528 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i still don have time
< 1726072064 885027 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :More seriously, I'm a musician and I used to spend hours at the piano practicing trills. My roommates do visual arts and are constantly talking of color theory, shading, etc. If you want to get into this stuff, you have to get *into* it.
< 1726072075 256214 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ik
< 1726072082 151865 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i get *into* programming
< 1726072088 374345 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as much as i can
< 1726072094 178940 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :atleast i try
< 1726072095 129264 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also
< 1726072100 826376 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk if i work differently
< 1726072106 112358 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but my stuff gets gud
< 1726072116 356253 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :when im bored
< 1726072119 452521 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk what to do
< 1726072122 64094 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i get into it
< 1726072125 354228 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then
< 1726072129 361772 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i get somethin good
< 1726072154 350432 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Two things. First, relax and let your thoughts form complete sentences. You're not in a rush here; it's okay to take a minute and say what you want to say.
< 1726072169 563215 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i am in a rush
< 1726072172 277684 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have like idk
< 1726072191 259514 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :until 8 o clock in denmark
< 1726072196 889009 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then i need to go to sleep
< 1726072198 831229 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :school
< 1726072200 314865 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :go hom e
< 1726072203 433841 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*home
< 1726072333 570609 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so i kinda am ig
< 1726072335 194007 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah sorry
< 1726072338 155710 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im just
< 1726072340 650699 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. Society asks too much of students. So, here's the second thing: at your age, you aren't expected to contribute to the future of esolangs. You certainly are allowed to contribute, but you're expected to take care of yourself and learn fundamentals first.
< 1726072340 729379 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...
< 1726072382 599852 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry
< 1726072384 660776 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's *okay* to not have any dreams for new languages yet. I didn't start building languages until I was like 25 or 26 maybe, and I've only really written two serious languages, including one esolang.
< 1726072396 60551 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i do
< 1726072400 877758 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like thats what i am
< 1726072404 691072 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically alli
< 1726072408 43456 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i am
< 1726072415 282253 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is esolangs
< 1726072421 598854 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they fly around in my head
< 1726072481 790280 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk what to do with them
< 1726072483 869408 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1726072509 227102 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Learn a few dozen more languages and your head will quiet down. Right now you don't have many "schemata" (fancy psychology word), so each new language is going to seem like a radically new thing. Very interesting, much to learn.
< 1726072562 325578 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can they be esolangs
< 1726072577 912415 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my memory cant take like C or something
< 1726072663 674775 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :They could be esolangs, but it'll be easier and more efficient to learn languages intended for serious use. I gave you a bunch of options earlier.
< 1726072675 329799 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ik
< 1726072679 971408 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i dont have like
< 1726072688 158470 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the memory capacity
< 1726072730 590781 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Take your time. Keep the docs open and refer to them often. Don't force yourself to memorize anything. Focus on *expressing* the parts of the *problem* that you want to solve.
< 1726072744 673734 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726072757 518386 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been writing Python professionally for over a decade. I still look at the docs daily.
< 1726072798 149042 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill try haskell then
< 1726072852 776290 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also the only reasaon ive learned pythonsi cuz i had another human involved
< 1726072904 882052 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. When you're just starting out, you might need in-person discussions from tutors or classes. That's common.
< 1726072918 870091 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don have mone
< 1726072922 599285 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or the social skill
< 1726072936 532292 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*money
< 1726072968 212375 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Python meetups are usually free. Ask the people who introduced you to programming. There's likely something nearby.
< 1726073003 67986 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :#im danish and my teacher is southafrican
< 1726073004 745710 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1726073015 461015 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And yes, you'll have to build social skills if you don't want to teach yourself by reading lots of books. You have to have information presented to you one way or another.
< 1726073028 742453 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like conferences f my brain
< 1726073042 236530 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mostly cuz i go bullied at school and still do
< 1726073044 73054 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well
< 1726073053 222928 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats not something to talk about here
< 1726073053 612763 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Me too. Don't worry, eventually school ends.
< 1726073060 76865 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ik
< 1726073065 498461 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but fuuuuuu
< 1726073071 679536 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it annoying every day lol
< 1726073123 726458 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well
< 1726073137 785618 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the worst thing is that they bully my brother
< 1726073142 916317 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ig im just a "nerd"
< 1726073228 505542 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well
< 1726073232 4901 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i hate life ig
< 1726073233 788337 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway
> 1726073339 284975 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07By+14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138795 5* 03Catto.4 5* (+2549) 10created page for by+
< 1726073392 234075 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726073397 92581 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :haskell in
< 1726073398 91672 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yay
< 1726073402 664145 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im taking totorial
< 1726073411 36977 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*tutorial
< 1726073413 621483 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or whatever
< 1726073420 34597 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf is in
< 1726073422 754588 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well
< 1726073426 160335 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill find out
< 1726073461 9418 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh so in atou applies
< 1726073462 8385 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tf
< 1726073463 374842 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well
< 1726073464 563661 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :golf ig
< 1726073483 814951 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Haskell is a community flavor of Miranda, itself an attempt to make Lazy ML practical. Miranda was not Free Software for a long time, and the Haskell community formed to fix that.
< 1726073504 911636 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1726073506 102096 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726073507 582754 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn
< 1726073527 948867 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's worth knowing about e.g. OCaml, which also inherits from ML via SML but is not lazy. The whole lazy-vs-eager thing, or strict vs non-strict, is a big deal.
< 1726073561 544350 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :rn im doing haskell
< 1726073574 93004 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also why the hell is there the lambda symbol?
< 1726073630 56163 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726073644 393606 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the in makes definitions
< 1726073657 264837 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :When Alonzo Church went to typeset his work, he wanted to write something like a hat or overbar on top of each variable, like `ô.î.o` for what Haskellers would write as `\o -> \i -> o`.
< 1726073676 842976 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, the typesetter couldn't really do that, and the best they could do was to write a lambda before each variable name.
< 1726073680 710288 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just auto walrus
< 1726073692 796435 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It could be worse; Pythonistas would write `lambda o: lambda i: o`.
< 1726073697 589100 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k korvo
< 1726073919 867335 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: As you learn more history, you'll be like "oh yeah, Church's lambda calculus". And later, you'll be like "oh that's the K combinator!"
> 1726073922 408173 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07By+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138796&oldid=138795 5* 03Catto.4 5* (+127) 10added optional argument to base
< 1726073936 345132 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ik about both
< 1726073944 269594 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ig im stupid idk
< 1726074421 327956 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-155-106-106.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic
< 1726074950 555291 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nah, "smart" and "stupid" don't really mean much. You're *inexperienced*, and that's okay.
< 1726075166 451656 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.147.66 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale
< 1726075485 54538 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
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< 1726075767 730136 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1726075773 779127 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont want to go so deep
< 1726075775 670314 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1726075859 307208 :Europe2048!~Europe204@host-176-37-233-219.b025.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello
< 1726075864 793845 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey
< 1726075866 819534 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello
< 1726075878 505359 :Europe2048!~Europe204@host-176-37-233-219.b025.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esolangs :how are you?
< 1726075884 645954 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gud
< 1726075889 528044 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :way
< 1726075898 700641 :Europe2048!~Europe204@host-176-37-233-219.b025.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esolangs :me2
< 1726075900 814996 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :What About You
< 1726075912 863064 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yay
< 1726076073 411071 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what are you doin rn
< 1726076082 129449 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im questioning my own person
< 1726076102 983101 :Europe2048!~Europe204@host-176-37-233-219.b025.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esolangs :me?
< 1726076117 258165 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut
< 1726076125 531900 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yea
< 1726076130 918718 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what are you doing?
< 1726076149 127624 :Europe2048!~Europe204@host-176-37-233-219.b025.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esolangs :not much
< 1726076171 326674 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :want somethin to do(lol)
< 1726076232 935904 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz then i have something
< 1726076365 441257 :Europe2048!~Europe204@host-176-37-233-219.b025.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is it?
< 1726076381 978805 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :helping me solve for dis: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Final_Word_Of_The_Day
< 1726076463 333586 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.147.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1726076510 653184 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1726076537 389917 :Europe2048!~Europe204@host-176-37-233-219.b025.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also can't solve it
< 1726076548 44774 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
> 1726076615 87187 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Final Word Of The Day14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138797&oldid=138777 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+49) 10
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< 1726077053 960027 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :holeee i forgot this: https://esolangs.org/wiki/W)
< 1726077311 380666 :Europe2048!~Europe204@vm-exclusive-1.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok..?
< 1726077337 941659 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut is dis
< 1726077345 385564 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like why did i make tht
< 1726077350 311203 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you think?
< 1726077368 893628 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also bracket part of link
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< 1726078132 709169 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that joke languages shouldn't be the primary targets for disambiguations, unless they are as notable as INTERCAL.
< 1726078145 926295 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut
< 1726078155 66691 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it aint a joke
< 1726078165 279176 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait wut
< 1726078169 943322 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im confused
< 1726078201 718449 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I was looking at W, sorry.
< 1726078211 413451 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1726078212 688008 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1726078214 686187 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726078224 627943 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although iNTERCAL is a joke by normal language standards, it is not a joke by esolang standards
< 1726078234 351438 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726078235 447330 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't have any serious opinions about Final Word of the Day yet. I can't really say much about a language without seeing its syntax: tokens, grammar, encoding, etc.
< 1726078248 936400 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726078298 66103 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Final Word of the Day makes me wonder if it would be possible to design an esolang in that style, sufficiently to narrow it down to only one possible language
< 1726078318 64368 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in a way, it is a declarative esolang specification, as opposed to the normal imperative style of writing specifications
< 1726078326 362717 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
> 1726078338 647575 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07W)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138798&oldid=134904 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+179) 10
< 1726078406 467849 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, I see now. w> looks fun. I've seen similar 2D languages before but I'm struggling to recall any of their names.
< 1726078419 918466 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx!
> 1726078498 543480 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138799&oldid=138776 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+12) 10
> 1726078570 131502 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138800&oldid=138799 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10
< 1726078619 768448 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this doesn't explain whether the pointer turns left or right, when turning 90 degrees
< 1726078633 130569 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well
< 1726078646 626462 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, starting in the top left moving left is weird – you would have to change the pointer direction immediately to prevent it escaping the program
< 1726078665 460287 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it turns 90 degrees
< 1726078669 655161 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :from current direction
< 1726078678 765629 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if its going down it would go right
< 1726078680 916095 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think most 2D languages solve the "does it turn left or right?" problem by having two commands, one for each direction
< 1726078689 115602 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :going left is also 90 degrees from down, though
< 1726078699 266075 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1726078702 31351 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats -90
< 1726078704 347341 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right?
< 1726078706 961573 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im confused
< 1726078707 962562 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaa
< 1726078714 309619 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, there is more than one convention for this
< 1726078732 349381 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :some mathematical conventions have it always measured anticlockwise, in which case you can say "90 degrees anticlockwise"
< 1726078733 880813 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how would i write that
< 1726078742 793813 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that's the one you're using
< 1726078754 983614 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726078756 963453 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx!
> 1726078768 993379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07W)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138801&oldid=138798 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+14) 10
< 1726078784 301283 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fixed it :)
< 1726078790 753680 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: re: existing languages, there's https://esolangs.org/wiki/Shove but it's different enough to probably not be a see also – there might be a more similar one
< 1726078835 708769 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I always think of these as "laser tank" languages after a childhood puzzle game that involved shooting laser beams at mazes of mirrors.
< 1726078865 507454 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Black was vaguely inspired by such a game
< 1726078871 129616 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although all the rules are different
< 1726078875 250120 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no way
< 1726078877 507477 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :DAAAAAMN
< 1726078882 803491 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also i love Black
< 1726078913 497317 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nice. Very similar vibe, yeah.
< 1726078931 918362 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :early in esolangs.org's history, people were looking to make a 2D language with only one command + NOP
< 1726078932 758299 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BLACK IS THE BEST(im a black lover lol)
< 1726078952 171005 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: like 1L_x?
< 1726078955 356449 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep
< 1726078963 149565 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726078968 708536 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Black was my attempt, although looking at adjacent squares makes it cheating in a way
< 1726078989 876576 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(much later I produced https://esolangs.org/wiki/Nopstacle)
< 1726078992 642355 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont think so
< 1726079055 18680 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops, I think I tagged Nopstacle as implemented by mistake
< 1726079068 913048 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the fact that Turnfunge is insane to me
> 1726079075 802823 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nopstacle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138802&oldid=130573 5* 03Ais523 5* (+2) 10fix categorisation mistake
< 1726079078 248114 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the things that are TC man
< 1726079105 41747 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it took a lot of practice as a community before we got that style of language to be TC that simply
< 1726079119 116340 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1726079120 178620 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :back when we were starting out, we couldn't do much better than https://esolangs.org/wiki/1L_a
< 1726079187 708725 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Turnfunge reminds me of https://esolangs.org/wiki/OFFICIAL
< 1726079219 102846 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also apparently 1L_a still hasn't been proven TC? I might have a look at that)
< 1726079229 963502 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1726079238 642213 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im the one who talked 'bout that right?
< 1726079267 382507 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1726079287 200530 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was on i think 1L_A somethin somethin
< 1726079364 469846 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dis one: https://esolangs.org/wiki/1L_AOI
< 1726079403 795291 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my guess is that OFFICIAL is sub-TC, although it is able to count arbitrarily high I don't think there's any way to read any form of counter it has when it gets large enough to escape the original bounds of the program
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< 1726079868 901391 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I'm not convinced 1L_AOI is TC, it looks like there is no way to set a zero cell to nonzero because if the MP is over a zero cell, you can't change direction and thus can't change the command from an MP-moving command to a value-changing command
< 1726079924 720209 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and cpressey noticed the same thing a while ago
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> 1726080218 329244 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071L14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138806&oldid=90777 5* 03Ais523 5* (+104) 10add Turnfunge and Nopstacle
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< 1726080265 406967 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, so what if we average Turnfunge (turn left when there is a solid cell behind the pointer) and Nopstacle (turn left when there is a solid cell in front of the pointer), producing a "turn left when there is a solid cell at the pointer" language
< 1726080303 39682 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I initially assumed that was sub-TC because otherwise Turnfunge would have been defined like that, but that isn't actually valid reasoning so I should think about it properly
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< 1726080362 617397 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, I see, it's reversible, which doesn't necessarily make it sub-TC but makes the proof much harder
< 1726080447 332861 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :even in 2024, I think it is still the case that we have no good tarpits for TCness proofs of reversible counter machines (https://esolangs.org/wiki/Flow_of_Holes was designed as a step in that sort of proof but it isn't a very simple one)
< 1726080508 787849 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in particular I am not sure that two counters is enough for a reversible counter machine to be TC
< 1726080532 236471 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but I am also not sure that it is not enough)
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< 1726086294 384994 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bah. Tried to use a test query of "Could you explain what the Funciton language is all about?" for the LLM thing (updated the model), but the keyword extraction scheme helpfully extracted the keyword "function", which of course doesn't find anything relevant, so the model output was just: > The "Funciton" language is not mentioned in the text. It's likely a typo or a term not relevant to the
< 1726086296 778567 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :provided context.
< 1726086358 761175 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's now using Gemma 2.0 rather than 1.1, since they released the 2B(-ish) parameter size version of Gemma 2 as well. But really the model quality hasn't been the (main) problem in getting useful responses: the search and article selection is (plus context size limits that haven't changed).
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< 1726086426 361814 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I probably just need some sort of maybe TF-IDF-ranked full text search thing on the original question, as-is, rather than asking the model to extract search keywords.
< 1726086506 348155 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Or maybe I could just use the custom Google search API, they've indexed the wiki anyway and it has a free tier of 100 queries per day. I just liked the notion of this being entirely self-hosted.)
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< 1726115925 105930 :ipadwwwww!~ipadwwwww@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :holeee look at dis: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Final_Word_Of_The_Day/PkmnQ
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< 1726116435 883489 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :contiuing my message
< 1726116440 469550 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if prooved
< 1726116453 599153 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what would you do to make it TC?
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< 1726124421 56720 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: "the custom Google search API, they've indexed the wiki anyway" => that may help with Funciton, but some of the article titles on this wiki are so stupid that even google won't search for them
< 1726124544 474029 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: heck, in fact I just tried google and it tells me it's searching for “function site:esolangs org” and click on this small text link if I really mean “funciton site:esolangs.org”. 
< 1726124579 580345 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though even with the default spelling correction, it still gives Funciton as the second result
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> 1726141193 411975 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ORK/PSTF Again414]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138872&oldid=138478 5* 03None1 5* (+32) 10
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> 1726141806 819298 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138874&oldid=138873 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+7) 10
> 1726141840 208115 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138875&oldid=138874 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+1) 10
> 1726142476 247763 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138876&oldid=138433 5* 03Unname4798 5* (-1) 10testing
> 1726142548 287241 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ORK/PSTF Again414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138877&oldid=138872 5* 03Unname4798 5* (-1) 10testing
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> 1726144313 822793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138878&oldid=138875 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+115) 10/* Instructions */
> 1726144626 797541 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138879&oldid=138878 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+36) 10
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< 1726147840 737260 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello
> 1726148348 617270 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Yayimhere-like esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138880&oldid=138844 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-170) 10/* examples */
> 1726148489 393851 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Final Word Of The Day/PkmnQ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138881&oldid=138840 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+121) 10
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> 1726149352 442645 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07081514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138882&oldid=58725 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+48) 10/* Computational class */ the proof needs unbounded to be TC
> 1726149425 764577 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07W)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138883&oldid=138801 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-8) 10
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< 1726150014 943351 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname
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> 1726151482 344193 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:An Odd Rewriting System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138884&oldid=137632 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+104) 10/* what was the limitation */
< 1726151546 535635 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :agian to continue my message(seems nobody saw it) but what would you do to making OFFICIAL TC?
> 1726152435 511884 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138885 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+261) 10Created page with "'''WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators''' or '''WCTVCUO''' is a esolang by [[User:Yayimhere]]. the only change from [[Unlambda]] is that he only operators are c and v with another operator:  .xy cre
> 1726152498 802140 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138886&oldid=138885 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10
< 1726152674 229716 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can i get feedback?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/WC_is_a_toilet_but_v,_and_c_are_Unlambda_operators
< 1726153592 841537 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1726153673 174072 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plz
< 1726154117 528043 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: What does this change about Unlambda? Are some things now easier to express? Harder to read?
< 1726154141 817125 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its more limited and harder to use
< 1726154374 629604 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I misread. You've *removed* syntax. I see.
< 1726154434 198459 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1726154544 415486 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this is a fairly weak fragment. I'm gonna use category theory; v is the constant arrow to the terminal object and c is the standard call/cc over some continuation monad (perhaps the initial such monad?)
< 1726154583 766337 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then it's folklore that you can't build S or K from this. Continuation monads can't do anything besides be applied at some location; they don't introduce or eliminate type constructors.
< 1726154914 204778 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what would you then need to add?
> 1726154956 504137 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WCTVCUO14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138887 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+64) 10Redirected page to [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]]
< 1726154988 762050 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to make it TC
< 1726154996 954057 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if this isnt TC(i assume it is)
< 1726155038 368134 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Usually for combinators I'd look for a *fixed-point combinator
< 1726155057 815645 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So something like Z, Y, U, or Turing's bird.
> 1726155167 374609 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138888&oldid=138800 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+57) 10
> 1726155230 974389 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138889&oldid=138888 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+33) 10
< 1726155236 566124 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you haven't seen it, we have a nice table of combinators: https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Bird_sociology
< 1726155245 302032 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726155279 534319 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh ik about dat
> 1726155403 662439 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138890&oldid=138889 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-47) 10/* eoslangs */
> 1726155409 499513 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138891&oldid=138890 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+47) 10/* things about me */
< 1726155513 928854 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i rlly love dis eoslang: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Final_Word_Of_The_Day/PkmnQ
< 1726155564 563526 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*esolang
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< 1726155804 442091 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you guys think?
< 1726156068 841954 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1726156247 403044 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello ais523
< 1726156250 630652 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's alright. Reminds me of f-exprs, as in Lisps like Kernel.
< 1726156438 837278 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi wWwwW
< 1726156446 754324 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :doin gud?
< 1726156475 190391 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been thinking about an esolang
< 1726156483 747087 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :need to write some program fragments to make sure it works
< 1726156489 305450 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which one
< 1726156496 412727 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait one you make yourself
< 1726156512 15605 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, although this one is a simple variation on a couple of existing ones
< 1726156516 618234 :fowl8!~fowl@user/fowl JOIN #esolangs fowl :fowl
< 1726156524 24019 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726156528 14440 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's harder to prove TC but I think it still is
< 1726156537 474944 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :awww:(
< 1726156548 470877 :shikhin_!~shikhin@ahti.space JOIN #esolangs * :shikhin
< 1726156548 649807 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: oh wow, a sitenotice
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< 1726156612 998009 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: do you maintain the wiki hardware, too?
< 1726156613 485608 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: which implementation? i want their names. ultra10s are named after toys in toy story, but sid is the only free piece of code
< 1726156614 180658 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the hell. why did a disconnect
< 1726156616 317967 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well
< 1726156629 690751 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this happens a lot on IRC, in my experience
< 1726156632 679759 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially to me
< 1726156644 876520 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo, if you like stuff like f-exprs and Kernel, check out Smalltalk-72
< 1726156648 760575 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to me its so rare
< 1726156652 817137 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :LIKE VERY RARE
< 1726156662 792976 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :rarer than me geting ads(see my talk page lol)
< 1726156704 112446 :jix_!~jix@user/jix JOIN #esolangs jix :Jannis Harder
< 1726156710 647817 :sprout_!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net JOIN #esolangs sprout :sprout
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< 1726156823 855236 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway
< 1726156872 697643 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: There's been such an uptick in the frequency of edits that I thought it'd be polite to put up a note, just so nobody spends an hour polishing an edit and is then unable to save it.
< 1726156920 139543 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how would you program in this?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/2_Player
< 1726156925 207907 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: it does make sense
< 1726156962 728856 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on my own server I normally check the logs to see whether anyone is connected before doing maintenance, but that only works because there's an explicit "connected" state, it isn't like a wiki where you can just submit pages whenever
< 1726157003 727238 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW, that's a bit confusing that it starts on the left edge and goes left. Is there wraparound? 
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< 1726157021 680954 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oo yea
< 1726157025 992937 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it halts if off edge
< 1726157028 139002 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :need to add
< 1726157077 388378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :That, uh. Trivializes the language. Always halts immediately.
> 1726157087 205761 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072 Player14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138892&oldid=138633 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+126) 10
< 1726157090 620830 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait, no, first command might take effect
< 1726157117 314189 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726157123 657477 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :more command ideas
< 1726157125 141031 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not clear how the language usefully stores data
< 1726157163 438988 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a common way for languages to fail TCness is "when the amount of stored data gets too large, there is no way to read the full amount of the data" (I did that intentionally when writing BuzzFizz)
< 1726157176 754831 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well
< 1726157184 504621 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the grid expands with commands
< 1726157189 92885 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i need to write that
< 1726157194 208043 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also commands that only work once generally aren't very useful, unless they are needed for program startup
< 1726157322 67663 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :For general interest: the "maintenance" is for setting up MariaDB replication, so that I'll have a local copy that's in the order of at most a few minutes old, rather than just the weekly one. Getting it started involves making a copy of the database and recording the current binlog position in such a way that they're consistent with each other.
< 1726157353 106632 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you mean ais523
< 1726157430 593588 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: well, a program that "demonstrates TCness" needs to be able to potentially run forever, that means it can't rely on commands that only work once
< 1726157448 197999 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they...dont
< 1726157450 245425 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...
< 1726157463 462020 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION updates their local backup of the wiki

< 1726157482 380532 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just in case
< 1726157482 586167 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut
< 1726157524 854806 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the early days of the wiki, we were worried it might go offline – esolang content had a habit of doing that and we wanted the wiki to preserve the content
< 1726157535 686259 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1726157536 687457 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726157537 164595 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so, lots of us made backups of it so that we could restore it if something went wrong
< 1726157559 22011 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure how many people are still doing that, but it doesn't hurt to do it on occasion, especially if there's about to be major maintenance done
> 1726157661 535112 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072 Player14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138893&oldid=138892 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+377) 10
< 1726157669 408570 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :done with the new commands
< 1726157708 76137 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you think now
< 1726157942 607235 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 what wo you think now?
< 1726157972 600492 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a bit difficult to work out at short notice
< 1726157991 568387 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :! and X are the new commands
< 1726157996 79453 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you like to make your esolangs difficult, which is fine, but that means that people will need to spend a lot of time to think about them
< 1726158013 901952 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1726158021 796992 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it has an explination
< 1726158029 760279 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but idk if anybody wants to hear it
< 1726158035 533198 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still don't see how it stores data, though
< 1726158044 930299 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in code
< 1726158048 603765 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, you should clarify whether the data pointer runs / responds to commands
< 1726158051 616455 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :since you can modify code
> 1726158081 621135 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072 Player14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138894&oldid=138893 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+15) 10
< 1726158093 142698 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, I see, and then the data pointer has a larger area to wrap in
< 1726158098 568972 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok fixed the mirror thing
< 1726158139 673970 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k ais523
< 1726158457 774670 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION almost writes an unless-else statement, then thinks better of it

< 1726158488 848747 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, I can write unless-next, that makes more sense
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< 1726158504 609150 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :done with 2P!!
< 1726158547 985189 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think
< 1726158943 935712 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
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< 1726158990 934960 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think
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< 1726160676 263544 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you think now ais523
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> 1726161396 810214 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072 Player14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138902&oldid=138901 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+12) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/138901|138901]] by [[Special:Contributions/Yayimhere|Yayimhere]] ([[User talk:Yayimhere|talk]])
> 1726161407 955350 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072 Player14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138903&oldid=138902 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-41) 10/* commands */
> 1726161430 760986 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072 Player14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138904&oldid=138903 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-33) 10/* commands */
> 1726161603 139093 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138905&oldid=138886 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+16) 10
< 1726161942 706353 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I was netsplit, so maybe I missed it, but do you have ` or is this purely strings of c and v?
< 1726161961 319381 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1726161967 876643 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i would like to include it
< 1726161975 188671 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but ` sint a operator
< 1726161977 152031 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...
< 1726161978 587425 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right?
> 1726162049 736507 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turning tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138906&oldid=96989 5* 03Ais523 5* (+163) 10/* Overview of the Genre */ mention Advance The Wheel!
< 1726162053 867902 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a parenthesis. It's the ability to make trees of combinators and not only strings.
< 1726162061 241355 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1726162064 288616 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok i will add
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< 1726162498 682705 :wWwwW19!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :did it!
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< 1726163338 946798 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yea
< 1726163547 924481 :sprout_!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net NICK :sprout
> 1726164028 949521 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:081514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138909&oldid=138834 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+111) 10/* proof of TCness incorrect */
> 1726164465 307674 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07~~14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138910&oldid=138479 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1) 10/* ~~ hexadecimal format */
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< 1726176669 335538 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
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< 1726177029 79012 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can setcontext and pthreads be used together in the same program?
< 1726177181 741062 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, is there a better way if the signal mask is not needed for contexts?
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< 1726177923 194459 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I think it can be, but if you want to do that sort of thing I recommend that you look at libcoro "http://software.schmorp.de/pkg/libcoro.html" which abstracts context switching with multiple different backends including setcontext as one of the backends
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> 1726178643 372583 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bouncy Counters14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138918 5* 03Ais523 5* (+9745) 10new language!
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< 1726178777 170541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Smalltalk-72 isn't an esolang, and isn't.... weird enough compared to Forth, but... it's still weird that I wish I could write about it somewhere esolang adjacent
< 1726178906 600473 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: some people use userspace on Esolang for that sort of thing
< 1726178921 125044 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. I think zzo38 has a list of non-esoteric languages that have esoteric aspects
< 1726179086 978405 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you're writing mainly about the esoteric aspects you can probably get away with writing an article about any language, even respected good non-esoteric ones
< 1726179140 681139 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION looks up fexpr to reorient himselff

< 1726179162 800513 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :"All functions are fexprs" is weird but... not unique probably
< 1726179200 764105 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the more I learn about Rust's parser, the more esoteric I start to think its syntax is
< 1726179249 814709 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it seems like Rust started with a highly ambiguous syntax and then started putting special-case patches into the parser and lexer until it started parsing ambiguous things the way the implementors expected – I don't think many languages do that
< 1726179253 726767 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Perl does it, but it does so openly)
< 1726179286 423166 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :some of the ambiguities are funny but don't really matter, e.g. «4.0» is a float constant, «4 .0» is the first field of 4 interpreted as a tuple
< 1726179372 400243 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but some are more interesting, like putting a struct literal in the control variable of an if or match (with «match Identifier { … }» the { … } could belong to either the match statement or to the identifier)
< 1726179425 427470 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and some are just confusing, e.g. .. is both an operator that applies to two values of the same type, and a value, so you can write .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. and it means something (and apparently has precedence rules so that there is one "official" parse of it)
> 1726179814 875759 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Reversible Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138922&oldid=57329 5* 03Ais523 5* (+24) 10/* See also */ +[[Reversible Bitfuck]]
< 1726179946 982887 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: the floating point ambiguity exists in other languages too. In python, 3.E2 is a floating-point literal with 2 as the decimal exponent, while 3 .E2 tries to access the attribute E2 of the integer 3
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< 1726180013 891396 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :C++ encountered this when they added user-defined numeric literals, which are syntactically written as a numeric literal immediately followed by an identifier suffix, but since hex number literals can end in a hex digit, this could be ambiguous
< 1726180019 608809 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I wonder if .e2 parses as 0.0e2 (and, consequently, is a zero) in any language.
< 1726180061 237834 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(`.0e2` certainly does.)
< 1726180083 297973 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: "in any language" probably 
< 1726180182 504859 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I thought C++ required an extra underscore in order to make that work
< 1726180184 943991 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I heard about the braces ambiguity with if/while body, I think that is important enough that every rust programmer encounter it, and as such it's a normal syntax rule and less a dangerou ambiguity
< 1726180198 888946 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently the rule has changed over time
< 1726180217 433637 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nowadays there are required parentheses around the condition if the block doesn't belong to the control flow statement, but that wasn't always the rule
< 1726180362 521964 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :".. is both an operator that applies to two values of the same type, and a value" => that's not realy scary, many languages have things that are both infix operators and start of an expression, and they just parse left to right and then it's not ambiguous. the problem here is that .. can be a *suffix operator* with nothing after it or an infix operator
< 1726180476 238972 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :1..2e2
< 1726180534 785872 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also an expression alone and a prefix operator
< 1726180569 96788 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw I've decided that the clearest syntax for ranges uses ..^ (from Perl 6) for exclusive ranges and ..= (from Rust) for inclusive ranges
< 1726180576 362715 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that way you don't get confused upon seeing a plain ..
< 1726180596 895196 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this would also distinguish the infix operator from the suffix operator (but the infix and prefix versions would still be the same)
< 1726180615 357158 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm
> 1726180742 380782 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bit bucket14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138924 5* 03Ais523 5* (+3085) 10it's about time this concept was documented  there are quite a few redlinks to it
< 1726180964 706237 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Hmm, I wonder if .e2 parses as 0.0e2 (and, consequently, is a zero) in any language. ← in Jelly, a . on its own parses as 0.5; that means that the equivalent of .e2 parses as 50.0 (however, it uses ȷ as its scientific notation separator rather than e)
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< 1726181491 657097 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aw, I forgot to do `flush tables with read lock;` when getting the binlog position. I may need to do that read-only thing again. :/
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< 1726181669 20042 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :feel free
< 1726181715 467147 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've finished my big edits for the time being
< 1726181723 54766 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's been reasonably quiet now.
< 1726181728 906027 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I started writing before the maintenance window, then did something else for a few hours, and finished afterwards)
< 1726181834 876532 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it's weird to see the site notice just appear and disappear like that, without a MediaWiki: page being edited (I know you can set it in the MediaWiki config too)
< 1726182098 306352 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: clearly there has to be a way to add a site notice if something is broken or the wiki is already in a read-only mode and you can't edit a MediaWiki: page
< 1726182136 366243 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and fizzie probably has access on the server to do that
< 1726182200 111364 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it probably happens less on larger mediawiki sites where there are more active wiki admins who don't have computer admin rights
< 1726182223 209177 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have to set $wgReadOnly in the config anyway to _make_ it read-only.
< 1726182271 399155 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It went by a lot quicker now that I wasn't at work getting distracted by work things.
< 1726182658 198489 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is it weird that I think Smalltalk-72's conditionals are weird? (a => (b) => c) means if a then b else c, with an asymmetrical then/else thing that ... makes me think a bit of Swift guard, and makes if/elseif/else easy, like (a => (b) c => (d) e)
< 1726182686 866218 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I keep wavering between thinking it's unusual and thinking it's just if/elif/else
< 1726182846 830928 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: wait what? what's the syntax for the if-else? what you wrote is confusing
< 1726182869 79510 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :a => (b) c
< 1726182877 223988 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok that looks more reasonable,
< 1726182887 630521 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :if a is not false, execute/return b, otherwise return the rest of the expression
< 1726182912 450601 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I guess I miswrote it above
< 1726182932 696248 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though it's still strange because Smalltalk is supposed to have built-in syntax to pass lambda closures as a method argument, which means they can just have if-else as an ordinary method on booleans
< 1726182950 821830 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and need no special syntax for it
< 1726183005 978890 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the arrow is kind of old style and gone out of fashion (which I don't mind), but I don't think it's too strange
< 1726183069 719498 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Smalltalk-72 is before blocks. Functions and objects are basically the same, and the way to make an object that responds to different messages is a long if/else chai
< 1726183072 14001 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :chain
< 1726183076 995894 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it seems quite common for modern programming languages to use both -> and => but for different things
< 1726183093 165100 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, it's *before* blocks syntax? 
< 1726183106 537871 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't know it was called smalltalk before that
< 1726183173 267596 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://smalltalkzoo.thechm.org/HOPL-St72.html emulator on the web, although it's a bit imperfect, I don't think it responds to clicks. https://bitsavers.org/pdf/xerox/smalltalk/Smalltalk-72_Instruction_Manual_Mar76.pdf manual
< 1726183204 719061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :to if exp (:exp?(%then?(:exp. %else?(:". exp)exp)error "(no then))
< 1726183204 884962 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :		%then?(:".   %else?(:exp) false)error "(no then))
< 1726183204 897173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :	'The ALGOL if ... then ... else ...'
< 1726183229 458882 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry?
< 1726183231 709051 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :... I'm not actually going to try to understand that
> 1726183246 971050 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138925&oldid=138879 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+1122) 10/* Example programs */
< 1726183247 394194 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess that arrow is encoded in ASCII as % 
< 1726183259 210589 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :to is how to define new functions/classes
< 1726183267 720820 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Apparently like Logo but I don't know Logo)
< 1726183345 207212 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/pablomarx/Smalltalk72/blob/a1efa79e5ba678a0bf550ba6797f36013f59e507/system/ALLDEFS#L229
< 1726183372 177150 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Definition of falseclass. Actually a primitive but string as comment shows definiton
< 1726183399 432730 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Eyeball symbol is true and consumes the next token if the next token in the message matches the thing after eyeball
< 1726183415 578512 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I only ever used the turtle-moving parts of Logo, and repeat-n loops, but apparently it's object-oriented?
< 1726183437 984883 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :: evaluates something in the message. So you can see how it's an if/else chain for how false should respond to messages
< 1726183594 977865 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :? in the if/then/else thing I pasted above is the arrow operator thing. % is eyeball. The Github link is easier to read than trying to paste in here
< 1726183724 65941 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, I have to admit that does look like very old style code
< 1726183741 316278 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they probably learned some of that from forth
< 1726183759 459631 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean can you still say after that that smalltalk isn't related to forth?
< 1726184891 680639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://worrydream.com/EarlyHistoryOfSmalltalk/ says that it was inspired by FLEX, PLANNER, LOGO, META II
< 1726184915 590701 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and Lisp, but I think that's mentioned elsewhere in that page)
< 1726184977 800634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :". My next question was, why on earth call it a functional language? Why not just base everything on FEXPRs and force evaluation on the receiving side when needed? "
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> 1726195119 957817 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138926&oldid=138907 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+143) 10Categories
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> 1726197580 492361 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bouncy Counters14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138927&oldid=138923 5* 03Ais523 5* (+2) 10/* With five counters */ fix whitespace
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> 1726197749 613620 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bouncy Counters14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138928&oldid=138927 5* 03Ais523 5* (+146) 10/* Starting and stopping the program */ an important clarification which wasn't previously clear from the page
< 1726198278 499479 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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> 1726202094 101538 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Computational model14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138929 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+43) 10Redirected page to [[Category:Computational models]]
> 1726202507 23921 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138930&oldid=137957 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-73) 10/* examples */
> 1726202556 523339 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138931&oldid=138930 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+9) 10/* examples */
> 1726202592 320398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138932&oldid=138931 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+4) 10/* examples */
> 1726202598 990008 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138933&oldid=138932 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10/* examples */
> 1726202646 97590 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138934&oldid=138933 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+78) 10/* examples */
> 1726202677 70973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138935&oldid=138934 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+5) 10/* examples */
> 1726202704 257555 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138936&oldid=138935 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1) 10/* syntax */
> 1726202722 173002 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138937&oldid=138936 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+2) 10/* examples */
> 1726202746 679382 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[070x8007005014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138938&oldid=138937 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+5) 10/* examples */
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> 1726205233 669557 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07One-Instruction Cyclic Tag14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138939&oldid=137289 5* 03Ttulka 5* (+31) 10/* Debugging */ add Initial string
> 1726205270 193932 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Final Word Of The Day14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138940&oldid=138916 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+5) 10
> 1726205271 702007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07One-Instruction Cyclic Tag14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138941&oldid=138939 5* 03Ttulka 5* (-2) 10/* Debugging */ phrasing
> 1726205365 886968 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07One-Instruction Cyclic Tag14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138942&oldid=138941 5* 03Ttulka 5* (+16) 10/* Debugging */ add subtitle
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> 1726206651 478856 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Zzo38/Untitled 514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138943&oldid=137091 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+686) 10Backward variant
> 1726206940 986567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Zzo38/Untitled 514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138944&oldid=138943 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+5) 10
> 1726208772 394839 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07One-Instruction Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138945&oldid=138942 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+18) 10/* External resources */
> 1726208785 828400 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07One-Instruction Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138946&oldid=138945 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* External resources */
> 1726208972 450645 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138947&oldid=138753 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+56) 10
< 1726210318 425036 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname
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> 1726215666 994995 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07U (Ractangle)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138948&oldid=137497 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-35) 10/* Commands */
> 1726215685 271500 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07U (Ractangle)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138949&oldid=138948 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-13) 10
> 1726216267 887195 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138950&oldid=138848 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+34) 10/* Esolangs */
> 1726216299 480626 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02User:Ractangle/TSYALFIC10]] to [[NRP]]
> 1726216406 435328 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138953&oldid=138951 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+77) 10
> 1726216587 816692 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Final Word Of The Day/PkmnQ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138954&oldid=138839 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+60) 10/* Execution */
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> 1726222623 814768 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138955&oldid=138953 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+133) 10
> 1726222887 696747 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138956&oldid=138955 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+158) 10/* Syntax */
> 1726222936 405910 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138957&oldid=138956 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+19) 10/* Syntax */
> 1726223572 852459 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138958&oldid=138957 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+134) 10/* Syntax */
> 1726223592 600044 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138959&oldid=138958 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+4) 10/* Syntax */
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> 1726225955 398779 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138960&oldid=138947 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+39) 10/* turing completeness proof(WIP) */
> 1726226625 634043 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138961&oldid=138960 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+373) 10
< 1726226640 426388 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does this proof work?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/X%E2%81%BFx%E2%82%99
> 1726226954 397493 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Yayimhere-like esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138962&oldid=138908 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+10) 10/* examples */ make all example's be title
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< 1726228738 718534 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plz help me
< 1726230014 646239 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk if its correwct
< 1726230028 149616 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*correct
> 1726230791 2904 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138963&oldid=138961 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+24) 10/* turing completeness proof(WIP) */
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> 1726230942 152271 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0740114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138964&oldid=137076 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+6) 10
> 1726231628 370656 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:2KWLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138965&oldid=129369 5* 03None1 5* (+2292) 10/* Computational class */  Turing completeness proof?
> 1726231799 678825 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:2KWLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138966&oldid=138965 5* 03None1 5* (+22) 10/* Computational class */
> 1726231834 329516 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of quines14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138967&oldid=132466 5* 03None1 5* (-71) 10/* 2KWLang */  Quine no longer work in 2KWLang
> 1726231890 332374 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072 Player14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138968&oldid=138904 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+179) 10
> 1726231967 759076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072KWLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138969&oldid=124856 5* 03None1 5* (+217) 10
> 1726232068 934687 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:2KWLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138970&oldid=138966 5* 03None1 5* (+3) 10
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> 1726233521 568366 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Isomorphism14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138971&oldid=138599 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+652) 10/* In fact, it isn't the real "Esolang". */ new section
> 1726233639 901913 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Eugene 5*  10New user account
> 1726233669 530350 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Isomorphism14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138972&oldid=138971 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+111) 10/* In fact, it isn't the real "Esolang". */
> 1726233702 68835 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minsky machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138973&oldid=136431 5* 03None1 5* (+13) 10/* External resources */
> 1726233725 447437 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Unname479814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138974&oldid=138750 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+2) 10Warring
> 1726233830 206223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138975&oldid=138672 5* 03Eugene 5* (+349) 10/* Introductions */
> 1726234174 65022 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138976 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+785) 10Created page with "'''Savage Operator''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] inspired by [[Unlambda]] == syntax form == a operator is applied with [[Prefix Notation]] and brackets around a string e:  `e* == operators == some of these are represented with [[Lam
> 1726234632 763442 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Gd auto level14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138977 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1553) 10Created page with "== Changed thing and added thing by PSTF == === Suggestion === In fact, trajectory can be marked with , but not "t". === Added commands === # " will let player to collect all characters to the stack that quoted. #  1726234951 581467 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03None1 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Look.png10]]": [[Look!]] logo (cat program)
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> 1726235001 681063 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Look!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138980&oldid=138979 5* 03None1 5* (+6) 10
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> 1726235495 296547 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138981&oldid=138572 5* 03Dylanbeattie 5* (+107) 10Add Rockstar with explanation.
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> 1726236041 711458 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Istoriya14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138983&oldid=138982 5* 03Eugene 5* (+71) 10categories
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> 1726236842 736124 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138985&oldid=138891 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+22) 10
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> 1726237849 401674 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138986&oldid=138963 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-5) 10/* turing completeness proof(WIP) */
< 1726237870 632733 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry for asking agian but. is the proof correct?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/X%E2%81%BFx%E2%82%99#turing_completeness_proof
< 1726240137 836370 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like a reduction in the wrong direction to me
< 1726240153 663321 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why
< 1726240154 662691 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut
< 1726240185 266417 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you don't need to show underload can run your programs since we know that, it's TC
< 1726240196 775145 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1726240202 995962 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im trying to show that it is esolang
< 1726240206 301957 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1726240209 163334 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that it is TC
< 1726240218 912313 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you need to show that your language can run underload, then it's TC, given that underload is TC
< 1726240228 647569 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1726240231 480461 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats what i did
< 1726240233 710873 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think
< 1726240234 298129 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1726240240 825877 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i translated each underload command
< 1726240249 444984 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to Xⁿxₙ
< 1726240252 316019 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay, then it's correct
< 1726240252 943465 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but idk if its ok
< 1726240257 536131 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok!
< 1726240268 846011 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, the direction is
< 1726240276 31077 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :didn't look at detail
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< 1726240298 565790 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726240333 794274 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wiat!
< 1726240344 639942 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it says 'translation to underload'
< 1726240351 361618 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's the wrong direction
< 1726240354 130474 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726240357 716956 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuuuu
> 1726240372 804542 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138988&oldid=138987 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+2) 10/* turing completeness proof */
< 1726240518 24086 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fixed it
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< 1726241147 76081 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooops disconnected
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< 1726241237 875253 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah
< 1726241258 570807 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :now you need to show the minimal subset of underload you translated is TC
< 1726241281 960160 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its...on the underlaod page
< 1726241284 825339 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*load
< 1726241399 593590 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, you could repeat that
< 1726241408 288647 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726241426 611521 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, gl. not going to check the argument
< 1726241432 28042 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe someone else will
< 1726241439 704258 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
> 1726241443 841832 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Eugene14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138989 5* 03Eugene 5* (+363) 10Created page with "Hello from Ukraine.  My interest in esoteric programming is that it can be a nice pun to use a program in such a language in literature or art. Ideally, in Ukrainian one, thus I search languages that use Ukrainian or are verbal language neutral. So far I found only [[
> 1726241558 919066 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138990&oldid=138988 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+32) 10/* turing completeness proof */
> 1726241606 710973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138991&oldid=138990 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+23) 10/* turing completeness proof */
> 1726241834 179995 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Istoriya14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138992&oldid=138983 5* 03Eugene 5* (+151) 10
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> 1726242304 349935 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138993&oldid=138959 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+92) 10
> 1726242450 838696 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138994&oldid=138993 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+38) 10/* Syntax */
> 1726242508 957771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138995&oldid=138991 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+73) 10/* turing completeness proof */
> 1726242549 966448 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138996&oldid=138994 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+62) 10
> 1726242621 29687 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138997&oldid=138995 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+6) 10/* turing completeness proof */
> 1726243020 65834 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138998&oldid=138996 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+6) 10/* Examples */
> 1726243028 359913 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138999&oldid=138998 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1) 10/* Examples */
> 1726243153 781838 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139000&oldid=138999 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+92) 10/* Syntax */
> 1726243244 93491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139001&oldid=138997 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-8) 10/* examples */
> 1726243357 905080 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139002&oldid=139001 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+58) 10/* examples */
> 1726243371 657591 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139003&oldid=139002 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-1) 10/* examples */
> 1726243425 10347 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Isomorphism14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139004&oldid=134850 5* 03Corbin 5* (+73) 10Add disambiguation here. We may also later want a page for languages which focus on isomorphisms, like Boomerang or Janus.
> 1726243427 616889 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139005&oldid=139003 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+24) 10/* turing completeness proof */
< 1726243745 156800 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what computational class do you guys suspect dis to be?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/W)
< 1726243892 863389 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's not enough information provided. Can the machine even halt?
< 1726243910 158750 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
< 1726243919 273249 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i want to add that
> 1726243959 31752 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07W)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139006&oldid=138883 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+43) 10
< 1726243963 74883 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fixed it
< 1726244020 277711 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm going to guess that it's decideable in doubly-exponential time.
< 1726244034 545205 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why?
< 1726244044 62547 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just want to know
< 1726244066 614025 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could say that I picked a class that isn't practical to test for but is still decidable in order to be infuriating~
< 1726244096 84294 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that we can first slide all of the IPs off the board except for those which potentially go infinite, akin to Tarski's quantifier elimination.
< 1726244134 266517 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then we can use cycle-counting to determine where any infinite loops might happen and then do a sort of exponential boost to force them to converge to a single behavior.
< 1726244151 535660 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726244153 32294 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This sounds a lot like Tarski's approach to the real numbers, which is also doubly-exponential.
< 1726244205 171610 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Having multiple IPs fundamentally doesn't make this harder, because we can simulate all IPs at once. If they were concurrent then we'd have issues.
< 1726244255 159943 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It might be worth knowing that in the presence of *true* threads, the number of possible orderings of execution is superfactorial in the number of instructions being threaded.
< 1726244283 713951 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's kind of a jawdropping bound and I don't know anything else quite like it. In that case, I still think it'd be decidable but I have no clue how to quantify the time taken.
< 1726244415 412712 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are concurrent
< 1726244461 894327 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The page doesn't make the small-step behavior clear. On a single step of an emulator, do we handle one IP or all IPs?
< 1726244475 796877 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :all
> 1726244493 889161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07W)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139007&oldid=139006 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+31) 10
< 1726244505 322360 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fixed it i think
< 1726244513 468939 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay. Then I'm sticking with my first story. That's definitely simpler than if only one IP can run. Threading is very hard to reason about.
< 1726244541 702393 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait wut
< 1726244554 351361 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i said all. all pointers are ran at one step
< 1726244663 776368 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, and I'm saying that that means to please ignore the superfactorial guess and consider the doubly-exponential guess instead.
< 1726244686 70270 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im still confsed but ok
< 1726244688 759107 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*confused
< 1726244714 104548 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, also, what happens if two IPs intersect?
< 1726244728 212820 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i need to specify on page
< 1726244729 712878 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but
< 1726244751 622592 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the one from left or bottom is moved to the upper left corner of program
> 1726244811 825398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07W)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139008&oldid=139007 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+105) 10
< 1726244816 86497 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fixed it
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< 1726244949 879645 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's progress. A lot of these questions will arise naturally if you try implementing your language.
< 1726244960 529683 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726244962 793090 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i cant
< 1726244965 990322 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im stupid and tired
< 1726244971 525675 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and i don want to tbh
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> 1726245619 449736 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Larry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139009&oldid=138838 5* 03ArsenicCatnip 5* (+538) 10Added implementation references. Gonna need to clean up the introduction
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> 1726246666 605664 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139010&oldid=139005 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-8) 10/* turing completeness proof */
> 1726246676 780334 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139011&oldid=139010 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10/* examples */
> 1726246734 336253 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139012&oldid=139011 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10/* turing completeness proof */
> 1726246783 844903 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139013&oldid=139012 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+14) 10
> 1726247072 828600 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139014&oldid=138919 5* 03Eugene 5* (+15) 10/* I */
> 1726247110 152326 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139015&oldid=139013 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+43) 10
> 1726247152 22216 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139016&oldid=139015 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+39) 10/* syntax */
> 1726247244 173219 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sashko875 5*  10New user account
> 1726247252 913976 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139017&oldid=139016 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-35) 10/* examples */
> 1726247339 686750 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139018&oldid=139017 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-76) 10/* examples */
> 1726247356 264395 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139019&oldid=139018 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+27) 10/* syntax */
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> 1726247440 85962 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139020&oldid=139019 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-15) 10/* syntax */
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> 1726247672 990046 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139021&oldid=139000 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+27) 10/* Syntax */
> 1726247710 142246 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139022&oldid=139021 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+11) 10/* Truth-machine without loop */
> 1726247759 595827 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139023&oldid=139022 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+27) 10/* Examples */
> 1726247871 427860 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139024&oldid=139023 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+10) 10/* Syntax */
> 1726247899 423373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139025&oldid=139024 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+4) 10/* Truth-machine without loopCitation neded */
> 1726247933 288443 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139026&oldid=139025 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-22) 10/* Syntax */
> 1726247954 901148 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139027&oldid=139020 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+66) 10
> 1726247985 148867 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139028&oldid=139026 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-10) 10/* Examples */
> 1726248087 832595 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139029&oldid=138975 5* 03Sashko875 5* (+119) 10
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> 1726249040 420363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Up down up up left14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139031 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+244) 10Created page with "{{Lowercase}} '''Up down up up left''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]]. its just [[Underload]] but with a single change: ^ will now just append the top of stack to program the append another ^ to the program"
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> 1726250057 860867 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139033&oldid=139032 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+19) 10/* Syntax */
> 1726250090 842787 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139034&oldid=139033 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+3) 10/* Syntax */
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> 1726254327 238644 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Eugene14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139035&oldid=138989 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+5) 10
> 1726254468 250046 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139036&oldid=138985 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+25) 10
> 1726254618 474994 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139037&oldid=139034 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-28) 10/* Examples */
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> 1726258290 566997 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MEMORYLEEK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139038&oldid=132262 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+0) 10/* Hello, World! Program */ fixed instruction
> 1726258302 502031 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minsky machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139039&oldid=138973 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+13) 10/* External resources */ Wayback
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> 1726264854 331299 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Burroughs 5000 assembly language14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139040 5* 03Sgeo 5* (+52) 10It's esoteric that there exist computers for which there is no assembly language.
< 1726264897 363531 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's... probably not actually suitable for the wiki unless "This language doesn't exist" is a language
< 1726264926 713493 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also the ALGOL variant it used did have a way to specify machine instructions, so... maybe that does count as an assembly language?
< 1726265596 749257 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't see why there could be articles for nonexistant or even theoretically impossible languages. There are already some joke pages like that, and a proof or even conjecture that some properties can't be combined in a language could be interesting.
< 1726265622 812301 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Plus there's of course the nonexistent https://esolangs.org/wiki/PL/MIX )
< 1726265662 121489 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, and https://esolangs.org/wiki/Kvikkalkul might be nonexistent
< 1726265726 209500 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Someone could in theory create a B5000 assembly language I think, it's just... designed for more high level languages
> 1726265759 559996 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas/List14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139041&oldid=137449 5* 03B jonas 5* (+87) 10+Kvikkalkul
< 1726265806 960791 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: sure, and someone could create interpreters for many of the large number of boring languages with short articles here.
< 1726265830 302231 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :most of them just have a short and often ambiguous description with no examples and no explanation for why it's interesting
< 1726265852 821118 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :would you count those as nonexistant?
< 1726265966 238916 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I want to draw the "existence" line at whether or not there's an unambiguous definition. But I'd guess some real languages have ambiguous definitions. And also someone would try to make a language whose existence is ambiguous, by potentially but not necessarily being well specified
< 1726265983 944278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe a part of the definition relies on an open math problem?
< 1726266008 117064 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I bet that already, ehm. Exists. though
< 1726266056 681347 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it does
< 1726266064 744153 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
< 1726266149 775837 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but something close to it using fermat's last conjecture existed somewhere I think
< 1726266283 866987 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't find it, and I don't think it was done in an interesting way either, so something like that may have potential
< 1726266452 13323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's the largest twin prime pair we know?
< 1726266472 638186 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I... can't promise I'd actually come up with an interesting way of doing things
< 1726266725 47281 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, if you want an open math problem, then we have ordinary languages like unlambda that may or may not be able to solve NP-complete problems in polynomial time
< 1726266742 618247 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://t5k.org/largest.html claims 2996863034895 * 2^1290000 +- 1.
< 1726266755 299738 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and they may or may not be able to test graph isomorphism in polynomial time
< 1726266796 154495 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(my guess is of course can't solve NP-complete and can solve grpah isomorphism)
< 1726266960 299825 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could do something like say it's a brainfuck derivative where the symbol for "+" for example is log_2 of the largest twin prime center, "-" is log_2 of the second largest
< 1726266973 852614 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :That feels a bit... trivial
< 1726267307 738994 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how I think one language does it is that the source code must contain the solution for a hard problem. how you could do that properly is to require that the source code contains a proof for a hard Ramsey number, because you can validate that quickly, and it's at least guaranteed that a proof exists (though only an exponential-sized proof is guaranteed admittedly).
< 1726267373 385080 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and unlike your example, the meaning of the program won't depend on what we have computed so far, the semantics is well-defined in an absolute sense
< 1726267439 43275 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw Sgeo the problem with that brainfuck derivative is that brainfuck is known to be Turing-complete if you can only increment each cell once an never decrement it, so you can program it that way
< 1726267480 645277 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I meant "largest that exists". It's an open question if there are a finite number of twin primes. So if there's an infinite number there is no usable language, but there's a possibility to program in it but not known how
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< 1726267495 77174 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should look up Ramsey number
< 1726267558 515939 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: what matters here is that it's something we know how to compute in bounded time in theory, but that bounded time is exponentially large and large enough that it's not feasable on current computers. substitute the proof of who has winning or drawing strategy in chess if you prefer.
< 1726267706 185566 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you have a different idea of what this language should do than I had
< 1726267792 896361 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably
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< 1726280024 510906 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did think the twin-prime thing was cool. I'm not going to add MtG to the BB Gauge because it's rather big and copyrighted, but maybe I should add Wang tiles.
< 1726280069 824106 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had considered doing Post correspondence machines but I think that the functor from Turing machines to PCPs is rather too good for this; I'm not sure how to handwrite a better PCP.
< 1726280107 260243 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Er, *PCMs. A PCP is quite different.
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> 1726284879 568923 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mathfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139044 5* 03Sgeo 5* (+739) 10Mathfuck
< 1726284910 959285 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's possible that it's ... more solvable than expected if mod256 makes things... more predictable
< 1726284968 417262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also not sure how to deal with the possibility of overlaps. For the twin prime ones, I could say that they could be second largest twin prime pair
< 1726285091 207407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Doesn't really fit "We don't know if it's a language or not"
< 1726285141 953589 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know about odd perfect numbers, but the others are good (mod 256). Collatz counterexamples must be multiples of 3 and twin primes must be of the form 6k ± 1.
< 1726286719 273617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like I'm wasting the beautiful name Mathfuck. Especially since this is BitChanger (I just looked for something with fewer commands)
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> 1726289595 376053 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:NRP14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139045 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+141) 10Created page with "is this allowed?:  1 = 1 1. can i do that? [~~~~]"
< 1726290260 347724 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :With GCC, can you use -no-integrated-cpp and -wrapper to add extra steps before and after the preprocessor? Can this or something similar be used with Clang also?
> 1726290482 495903 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139046&oldid=138976 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1) 10/* syntax form */
> 1726290564 755248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139047&oldid=139046 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+82) 10/* operators */
< 1726290575 48414 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is a loop possible?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Savage_Operator
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> 1726291044 743772 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139050&oldid=139049 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10/* syntax form */
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< 1726294492 984924 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I don't know, but you can use gcc -E to stop after running the preprocessor, and use gcc $basename.i or gcc -x cpp-output $filename to pass an already preprocessed C file (and similarly for C++), so you can just do all the preprocessing steps manually that way before you compile
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< 1726296581 271817 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :are there any esolangs that use surreal numbers?
< 1726296660 523325 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also if i understand
< 1726296664 925724 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :surreal numbers
< 1726296677 345303 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :are just numbers holding not only reals
< 1726296682 639669 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also infinty's
< 1726296689 571195 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and infinitly small numberas
< 1726296691 573175 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right?
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< 1726307763 31993 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit
> 1726309345 89297 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AI made dis14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139098 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+3093) 10Created page with "'''AI made dis''' is a esolang created by chatGPT. it was prompted by [[User:Yayimhere]]. its named FROSTWIRE-666 although i will use that name elsewhere == Memory Model == The language operates on 666 nodes, each capable of holding an integer.  
 These are ind
> 1726309551 715342 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02User:Ractangle/2D10]] to [[Literally just a turing machine]]
< 1726309743 377368 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does the proof of TC'ness work?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Savage_Operator
> 1726309857 838036 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Literally just a turing machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139101&oldid=139099 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-261) 10
> 1726309937 161189 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Literally just a turing machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139102&oldid=139101 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-11) 10/* Examples */ categories should not be in pre
> 1726310030 161602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Literally just a turing machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139103&oldid=139102 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-40) 10/* Examples */
> 1726310091 952813 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Literally just a turing machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139104&oldid=139103 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-52) 10/* Commands */
> 1726310111 241729 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bubblegum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139105&oldid=90078 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-28) 10/* Reference implementation */ Though likely, still not proven Turing-complete
> 1726310269 321422 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Literally just a turing machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139106&oldid=139104 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+62) 10/* Examples */
> 1726310284 235415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Literally just a turing machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139107&oldid=139106 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-30) 10/* Truth-machine */
> 1726310316 436851 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Literally just a turing machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139108&oldid=139107 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+35) 10/* Commands */
< 1726310382 395340 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.203.58 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale
> 1726311262 12375 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:SchrderBernstein theorem14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139109 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+120) 10Created page with "delete dis plz. empty [~~~~]"
> 1726311787 799301 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainshit14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139110 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+347) 10Created page with "'''Brainshit''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]], its just [[BF]] but different == changes == first of all commands are changed like this:  + -> {  - -> }  [ -> [  ] -> ]  > -> (  < -> ) also all brackets must be matched. also this is not allowed:  [(]) so 
< 1726311913 328208 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@31.22.203.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
> 1726313091 530971 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Yayimhere 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:RECT4n=GLE.jpg10]]"
> 1726313102 754518 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RECT4n=GLE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139112&oldid=138575 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+39) 10
> 1726313227 866796 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RECT4n=GLE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139113&oldid=139112 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+31) 10/* real tiles */
< 1726313513 397272 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is this proof correct?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Savage_Operator
< 1726314665 341109 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:9b40:2139:2800:2d53:42b9:7c96:d9e1 JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie
< 1726314796 487467 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1726314926 838579 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed
> 1726315072 365038 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Literally just a turing machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139114&oldid=139108 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* Truth-machine */
< 1726315378 55704 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1726315526 410143 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs mtm :Textual User
> 1726315778 572623 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139115&oldid=139073 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+16) 10/* esolangs */
< 1726316006 177440 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
> 1726316161 421851 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139116&oldid=139096 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+139) 10
> 1726316194 657137 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139117&oldid=139116 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+45) 10
< 1726316346 198159 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname
< 1726316819 320363 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW
> 1726317779 400786 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139118&oldid=139115 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+13) 10/* esolangs */
> 1726317791 565465 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139119&oldid=139117 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+165) 10
> 1726317801 717075 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139120&oldid=139119 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+4) 10
< 1726317810 888929 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
> 1726317892 476119 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139121&oldid=139120 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+30) 10
> 1726317904 142599 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139122&oldid=139121 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+2) 10
> 1726318041 432207 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:NRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139123&oldid=139122 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+6) 10
< 1726319221 837722 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:9b40:2139:2800:2d53:42b9:7c96:d9e1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
> 1726319264 953539 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Func()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139124&oldid=137202 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-1) 10/* examples */
> 1726319274 477176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Func()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139125&oldid=139124 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10/* examples */
> 1726319784 841785 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wiki/pedia/.org14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139126&oldid=138062 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+2) 10
> 1726319920 234105 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139127&oldid=136747 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-3) 10
> 1726319950 206410 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139128&oldid=139127 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1) 10
< 1726320013 302770 :Thelie!~Thelie@214-110-035-185.ip-addr.vsenet.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie
> 1726320318 379378 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139129&oldid=138469 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+641) 10
> 1726320462 607596 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ZhongWen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139130&oldid=132875 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+58) 10
> 1726320508 567283 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ZhongWen/None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139131&oldid=138468 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+44) 10
> 1726320663 500837 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Translated ZhongWen/None114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139132 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+518) 10Created page with "I registered to Baidu, so I has this version: 
 "said SREC  >   M"     __  > + > > "Qing T Qing Pa  I"D->a>1       =#  --PPPPPPPP..."
> 1726321226 663096 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ZhongWen/None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139133&oldid=139131 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+46) 10
> 1726321268 543614 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ZhongWen/None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139134&oldid=139133 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (-3) 10Oops, AutoHotkey done that.
> 1726321391 661441 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:^14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139135 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+135) 10Created page with "then what would dis program do?:  ^^ [~~~~]"
< 1726321422 119105 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have a weak esolang concept
< 1726321428 712149 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can anybody help me with expanding it?
< 1726321429 712374 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plz
< 1726321574 94524 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, the concept of a plan.  good
< 1726321587 851582 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut
< 1726321591 909043 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im confused
< 1726321596 1732 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nevermind
< 1726321606 750106 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726321607 750098 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726321610 505549 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait oops
< 1726321625 883374 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shall i say the concept or....?
> 1726321922 816921 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ZhongWen/MihaiEso14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139136 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+1294) 10Created page with "Crazier version of [[Translated ZhongWen/None1]]  1. Take the semiproduct 
 "said SREC  >   M"     __  > + > > "Qing T Qing Pa  I"D->a>1       =#  --PPPPP..."
< 1726321981 506617 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is irc, don't ask to ask
< 1726322004 403028 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok. sorry
< 1726322005 738879 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well
< 1726322007 366919 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then ok
< 1726322074 733733 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my concept: a esolang where memory is sotred in the IP
< 1726322077 545543 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ad only the IP
< 1726322080 934289 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*and
< 1726322084 859388 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and not 2d
< 1726322089 381328 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is no asciidots
> 1726322682 437801 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated !English14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139137&oldid=125757 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+20) 10
> 1726322889 698318 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139138&oldid=138981 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+78) 10/* Horribly translated variants */
> 1726323233 203279 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139139&oldid=139027 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10/* turing completeness proof */
> 1726323281 583914 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139140&oldid=139139 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+35) 10/* syntax */
> 1726323422 930693 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated CreativeASM14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139141 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+3127) 10Created page with "There are a lot of horribly translated languages that the originals look like English and are translated with like Baidu.  We are translating a high-level assembly language with ModernMT!  1. Take this example: 
 @ A calculator program in CreativeASM
> 1726323491 607147 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139142&oldid=137002 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+78) 10
> 1726323759 395394 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated CreativeASM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139143&oldid=139141 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+67) 10
> 1726324068 604739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AmBored++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139144&oldid=68984 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+30) 10/* See also */
> 1726324134 592714 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AmBored--14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139145&oldid=68985 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+30) 10/* See also */
> 1726324951 399174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:GUAqwq/brainfuck quine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139146 5* 03GUAqwq 5* (+9496) 10Created page with "My quine, inspired by [[User:Hakerh400/How_to_write_quines]].  >>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 1726324984 110012 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:GUAqwq14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139147&oldid=138129 5* 03GUAqwq 5* (+48) 10
> 1726324993 376389 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:GUAqwq14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139148&oldid=139147 5* 03GUAqwq 5* (+2) 10
> 1726325126 193163 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MihaiEso/Sandbox 314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139149&oldid=130853 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+9) 10
> 1726325158 128975 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MihaiEso/Sandbox 314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139150&oldid=139149 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+0) 10
> 1726325529 698005 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Generated by AI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139151&oldid=131363 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+15) 10
> 1726325539 958508 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Generated by AI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139152&oldid=139151 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+4) 10
> 1726325778 601809 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PkmnQ/Wrong Wrap14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139153 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+1143) 10Created page with "[[Wrong Wrap]] is an esolang derived from an attempt to create a 2D language where NOP is the only instruction. == Execution == In programs, the only thing that matters is the length of each line. Non-newline characters are all interpreted as NOPs. We'll tak
> 1726325942 573445 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AI made dis14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139154&oldid=139098 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+97) 10
> 1726325982 111802 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:GUAqwq/brainfuck quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139155&oldid=139146 5* 03Cycwin 5* (+739) 10
> 1726326061 136839 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PkmnQ/Wrong Wrap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139156&oldid=139153 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+2) 10
> 1726326105 835561 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated CreativeASM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139157&oldid=139143 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+22) 10
< 1726326988 47572 :visilii_!~visilii@46.61.242.60 JOIN #esolangs * :ZNC - https://znc.in
< 1726327189 74169 :visilii!~visilii@46.61.242.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
> 1726327556 609025 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sorry14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139158 5* 03Xff 5* (+597) 10Created page with "'''Sorry''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]]. its under load but with one change that makes Sorry have only two commands == information == there is one change. now the ^ does dis: :pop top 4 elements. the first popped is a second popped is b, third poppe
> 1726328016 279325 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139159&oldid=139118 5* 03Xff 5* (+12) 10/* esolangs */
< 1726328324 468714 :Snufkin!~ismael@189.217.64.239 JOIN #esolangs * :ismael
> 1726328364 835366 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sorry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139160&oldid=139158 5* 03Xff 5* (+128) 10
< 1726328455 483407 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.206.114.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl QUIT :
< 1726328521 693619 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: If you say so. A common theme in your writing is a lack of clarity and foundations; it's not clear *what* your languages manipulate.
> 1726328646 785596 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Arrow14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139161&oldid=97018 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+13) 10/* External resources */
< 1726328829 537671 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If I assume Unlambda's semantics, then I think I understand your Savage Operator claim, but I have to make that assumption; I have to copy information about another language into your setting.
< 1726328944 433520 :Snufkin!~ismael@189.217.64.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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> 1726328957 276594 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07B14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139162&oldid=116357 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+10) 10
< 1726328981 800832 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have gotten strangely addicted to underload: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Sorry
> 1726328999 160951 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07B14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139163&oldid=139162 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-10) 10
< 1726329169 525146 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1726329197 426714 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im like 99.999% sure that sorry is TC but idk
> 1726329398 514347 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF instruction extension14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139164&oldid=116858 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10/* See also */
< 1726329762 845945 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.206.114.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull
> 1726329790 784965 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BFM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139165&oldid=30457 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10
> 1726330043 10383 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TotallyNotSethP 5*  10New user account
> 1726330117 195993 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139166&oldid=139029 5* 03TotallyNotSethP 5* (+176) 10added Seth introduction
< 1726330297 708419 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if ts correct
> 1726330442 985898 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sorry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139167&oldid=139160 5* 03Xff 5* (+13) 10
> 1726330684 828593 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sorry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139168&oldid=139167 5* 03Xff 5* (+0) 10
> 1726331228 182099 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139169&oldid=138783 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+97) 10/* Syntax */
> 1726331249 222675 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139170&oldid=139169 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-4) 10/* Disan Count (kinda) */
> 1726331260 630700 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139171&oldid=139170 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* Syntax */
> 1726331271 449887 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139172&oldid=139171 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-4) 10/* Truth-machine */
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> 1726331795 845400 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139179 5* 03Xff 5* (+51) 10Created page with "proof of turing completeness(WIP):  [...] -> \n...)"
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> 1726333349 901029 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139195&oldid=139194 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-253) 10i am removing the CLFCE section because i think it sucks
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> 1726333494 950571 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139197&oldid=139195 5* 03Xff 5* (+253) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/139195|139195]] by [[Special:Contributions/Ractangle|Ractangle]] ([[User talk:Ractangle|talk]]) because you cant delete something cuz YOU think it sucks. when it comes to this make a talk
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< 1726336455 396681 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo what question are you answering?
< 1726336473 612210 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: TC-ness of Savage Operator.
< 1726336513 852950 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh ok
< 1726336519 900110 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which part is confusing?
> 1726336676 831977 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139211&oldid=139202 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+109) 10
< 1726336688 139898 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not confusing, it's unclear.
< 1726336693 714832 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how
< 1726336696 678963 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which part
< 1726336969 244442 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is unclear?
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< 1726337127 234718 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure how the append operations would work. I'm also not clear on how ∞ works; for example, what is ∞i equivalent to?
< 1726337142 996312 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1726337144 469979 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1726337175 27493 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so appendsaion would be like dis lambda: λx.λy.x y
< 1726337185 885802 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and ∞
< 1726337204 308921 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :would make the ∞ actually be ran instead of just be a string of opertors
< 1726337351 258566 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wil edit the page
< 1726337352 675151 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yea
< 1726337356 287911 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait
< 1726337388 780857 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the alphja append is just the same but the y is moved inside the brackets of y
< 1726337552 787937 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mm. Okay, I think I understand how I would interpret this, but now I'm no longer certain that the S and K given are correct. I'd need to see you work out the reduction rules first.
< 1726337568 76116 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726337570 531504 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not going to ask you to do that, because it could be a lot of work, but I hope that it's obvious *why* I can't just guess.
< 1726337570 732684 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :will do
< 1726337575 239666 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gimme an expression
< 1726337591 641547 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :How about SKK? It should reduce to I.
< 1726337601 519336 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726337605 410643 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726337610 297743 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so lets take the expression
< 1726337620 15643 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in savage opperator
< 1726337635 950230 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
< 1726337642 176196 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz K don work for two inputs
< 1726337644 86596 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :will fix
< 1726337736 957740 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
< 1726337738 278850 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i cant
> 1726337763 15654 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139213&oldid=139069 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+15) 10/* turing completeness proof */
< 1726337783 82107 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gimme somethin else plz
< 1726337990 433127 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :How about SII? I hope you're seeing the power of implementing a language rather than merely guessing at it.
> 1726337992 502406 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139214&oldid=139213 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-36) 10
< 1726338000 121840 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1726338001 942779 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but
< 1726338013 249685 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726338020 68807 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :your missing an input to S
< 1726338052 580117 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that wont work
< 1726338109 645802 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why wasn't that a problem for SKK?
< 1726338118 302780 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726338123 157803 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh i saw wrong
< 1726338136 319417 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i though it was KSK
< 1726338138 382997 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or something
< 1726338140 873187 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that works?
< 1726338141 874551 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1726338149 46279 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how that works in combinatory logic
< 1726338167 626163 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well
< 1726338182 80331 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ig the last could just be a like
< 1726338188 150722 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just "placeholder"
< 1726338192 724111 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or what you would say
< 1726338194 731169 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so we have:
< 1726338195 213139 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, Kxy -> x, right? So what happens with KSK?
< 1726338210 163148 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in normal combinatory logic?
< 1726338218 117874 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in this tho
< 1726338227 800304 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why would this not be normal combinatory logic?
> 1726338232 107007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139215&oldid=139214 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+8) 10/* operators */
< 1726338236 197942 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz
< 1726338238 858416 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :u know
< 1726338241 822118 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726338244 3840 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :forget it
< 1726338266 802164 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well
< 1726338276 519748 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with to input the first one would be ignored
< 1726338279 43304 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in savbage
< 1726338283 80950 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and just do Kx
< 1726338285 289658 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726338287 78198 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :problem
< 1726338297 956250 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
> 1726338335 112301 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139216&oldid=139215 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+37) 10/* turing completeness proof */
< 1726338353 893048 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fixed it
< 1726338384 248826 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so now will do
< 1726338387 359954 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So the behavior of K should change depending on how many arguments it's applied to?
< 1726338392 500906 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1726338403 696424 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz¨the a is for adding the y as input
< 1726338424 62979 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, that would be a reason for this not to be normal combinatory logic. Combinators should normally be extensional.
< 1726338430 155130 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are
< 1726338435 879284 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is just an application
< 1726338437 147321 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726338441 190550 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i could generalize
< 1726338442 848297 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726338445 518155 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gimme a sec
< 1726338474 454849 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, when I said that SKK -> I, I should have said SKKx -> Ix for all x. And that's because SKKx -> Kx(Kx) -> x, and also Ix -> x. Does this make sense?
< 1726338486 90518 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1726338491 823204 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im kinda streseed gimme sec
< 1726338494 464537 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no it works
< 1726338499 55791 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :since a is just to appl,y
< 1726338501 80440 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*apply
< 1726338519 67310 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726338521 259253 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lemme fix stuff
< 1726338581 397585 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im fixing stuff
< 1726338736 907967 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726338738 434906 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuuu
< 1726338740 147104 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it wont work
< 1726338741 209683 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaaa
> 1726338746 866329 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139217&oldid=139216 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-520) 10/* turing completeness proof */
> 1726338758 236459 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Robot Is Chill14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139218&oldid=130155 5* 03Ataberk 5* (+45) 10added external github link
< 1726338774 650491 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shiiii
< 1726338777 645402 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well
< 1726338820 937290 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you want to understand the rest of the TC proof anyway? You hadn't constructed the important part yet.
< 1726338834 319390 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :?
< 1726338844 348829 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :o didnt know that
< 1726338849 818139 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*i
> 1726338871 718388 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ataberk 5*  10moved [[02Robot Is Chill10]] to [[ROBOT IS CHILL]]: Misspelled title: per https://discord.com/channels/842220825226379265/853048386311028746/1284582140993867847
< 1726338900 327572 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You don't just need to implement S and K. You need to show that your implementation is *faithful*, meaning that for every legal reduction of S and K in combinators, there's a legal reduction in Savage Operator which performs equivalent moves.
> 1726338906 217332 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ROBOT IS CHILL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139221&oldid=139219 5* 03Ataberk 5* (+0) 10change to 'ROBOT IS CHILL'
< 1726338914 154943 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726338915 452928 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuuu
< 1726338916 654948 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726338919 87665 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, your SKK needs to reduce to something like I using Savage Operator's rules alone.
< 1726338919 134129 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :qeustion
< 1726338936 484171 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Don't ask to ask; just ask.
< 1726338943 279832 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726338979 786646 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but like. you can infintly nest (λx. ), (λx.λy. x y), and (λx. x)
< 1726338988 157157 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :those lambda expressions
< 1726339009 657248 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that TC?
< 1726339051 359133 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That first one isn't an expression of lambda calculus.
> 1726339054 244925 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139222&oldid=139217 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10
< 1726339062 722435 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cant you do that?
< 1726339080 832880 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i didnt know
> 1726339095 169956 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139223&oldid=139222 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-6) 10/* operators */
< 1726339101 544440 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well
< 1726339103 251436 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fixed it
< 1726339197 387665 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, use De Bruijn indices. The second expression is λλ(10) and the third expression is λ0. The first expression is λ... and then what?
< 1726339217 969978 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k!
< 1726339235 352083 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait the third one
< 1726339241 121906 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :os just
< 1726339245 299404 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :λ0.
< 1726339250 669130 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :did you swap third
< 1726339254 763882 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and first?
< 1726339317 985687 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz looks like
< 1726339320 685743 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1726339328 504527 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, I think I got it right. De Bruijn indices are notoriously tricky, though. Think of a De Bruijn index as counting the number of lambda binders to the left in-between the variable's binding and its usage.
< 1726339338 546506 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726339352 135529 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait
< 1726339353 136111 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1726339360 797275 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :λ0 is definitely the way to express the identity function. I count starting from 0, which isn't universal; some people would write those as λ1 and λλ(21) respectively.
< 1726339441 245492 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726339447 942853 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but then λ...?
< 1726339456 562977 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how does that work?
< 1726339463 140599 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, the rest of the TC proof would start by constructing SII. I picked it because SIIx -> Ix(Ix) -> x(x). It applies things to themselves! This is a "Turing bird" and it's not always possible to build.
< 1726339477 815325 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh cool!
< 1726339491 299942 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I don't know. That's what I'm saying; your (λx.) operator doesn't do something I understand in terms of LC.
< 1726339532 471297 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
> 1726339536 30123 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139224&oldid=139223 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+11) 10/* operators */
< 1726339572 950562 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, then notice that SII(SII) reduces to itself. This is sometimes called an "omega" expression.
< 1726339582 748882 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1726339585 614687 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow
< 1726339609 52658 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then the TC-ness of SK is that we can't decide whether an expression is reducible to something that can't be reduced further, or whether reduction goes forever in a loop.
< 1726339627 261527 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1726339639 671905 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ik that fact for once!dis is from when i wroked on why tho
< 1726339641 927204 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*worked
< 1726339769 107557 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway
< 1726339771 798447 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx!
> 1726339792 599201 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BrainfuckXT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139225&oldid=39212 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10/* External resources */
> 1726339928 69241 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139226&oldid=44896 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10
> 1726339957 719583 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139227&oldid=139224 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+17) 10
> 1726339999 695769 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139228&oldid=139227 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1) 10
< 1726340198 896032 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but is netseting of λ(0) and λλ(1 0) tc?
< 1726340201 442387 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No worries. Glad that it's making more sense.
< 1726340218 194440 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726340266 703202 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
< 1726340279 741189 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, that basis isn't TC. In terms of combinators, it's not stronger than BCI.
< 1726340291 904679 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726340294 966725 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait why?
< 1726340396 307202 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because all you can do is identity and composition, like the BI basis, or like the theory of categories. Because B has a couple different ways of being phrased, we usually include C too for a saner basis.
< 1726340409 765439 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726340413 797955 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx!
> 1726340423 278822 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139229&oldid=139228 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+61) 10
< 1726340431 199062 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait now it should work
< 1726340434 130806 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :since you can do
< 1726340467 967813 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :∞' (a i i)
< 1726340470 379742 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :would reduce
< 1726340486 27157 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to λλ(0))
< 1726340494 759505 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*λλ(0)
> 1726340496 733438 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Braintrust14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139230&oldid=35662 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+12) 10
< 1726340504 511137 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is K????
< 1726340506 366628 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :TF
< 1726340515 453664 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nooo
< 1726340520 373413 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that shouldnt work
< 1726340521 930482 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :noooo
< 1726340528 170046 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im sad for msome reason:(
< 1726340531 860869 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*some
< 1726340592 943710 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think
< 1726340594 389083 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right?
< 1726340594 559182 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :K gives you the ability to delete a value from the context. To make something like that, you need like λλ1, something that has a binder which goes unused.
< 1726340635 218352 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, S gives you the ability to duplicate a value. To make something like that, you'd need to use an index twice.
< 1726340659 162903 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea
< 1726340662 703152 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but still
< 1726340670 558861 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :λλ(0) is k
< 1726340676 990158 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :starting indexing at 0
< 1726340717 920026 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's the flip of K. Swapped arguments. It'll still work, as long as you keep in mind that it can't do the whole "konstant" thing that K is normally used for.
< 1726340731 37272 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sometimes you'll see KI used for this.
< 1726340734 757340 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726340737 225858 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx!
< 1726340792 261356 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, that's why λ0 and λλ(10) can't be a basis. Both of these are *linear*; a linear term uses every bound variable exactly once.
< 1726340804 162083 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh k
< 1726340810 613804 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726340828 180262 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And no basis of linear terms can be more expressive than BCI, because (hard part) there's an algorithm that turns any linear type signature into a BCI expression.
< 1726340855 146648 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :∞' (a (a e) i)
< 1726340856 341845 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is
< 1726340875 866173 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :λλ(1 λ(0))
< 1726340878 316230 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or else
< 1726340892 276543 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its λλ(λ(1) 0)
< 1726340963 996311 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so
< 1726340965 613737 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726340972 812375 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :λλ(λ(0) 0)
< 1726340979 803044 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is the correct one
< 1726340981 262944 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then
< 1726340986 332021 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we would copy a term
< 1726341024 453907 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right?
< 1726341076 592720 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think so, just from counting binders. Also note where parens are; they indicate applications, not abstractions.
< 1726341089 970711 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, I'm reading those as λλλ(10) and λλλ(00) respectively.
< 1726341093 271126 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :parens?
< 1726341104 865171 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Parentheses ()
< 1726341115 351315 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea
< 1726341126 777993 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: re: and that is it
< 1726341152 405186 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :In something like S, which I'll write λλλ((20)(10)) we see that index 0 is used twice at a single level of abstraction. That's a non-linear use.
< 1726341166 472500 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
> 1726341240 377058 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CompressedBF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139231&oldid=118924 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* Interpreter */
< 1726341248 220383 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuuuu
< 1726341252 948542 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im so stupid and dumb
< 1726341272 913770 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but still
< 1726341280 95621 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if λλλ(00)
< 1726341283 703062 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, you're *inexperienced*. And I'm not really doing anything else right now.
< 1726341284 155516 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is correct
< 1726341294 708667 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we copied 0?
< 1726341301 4293 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: true
< 1726341327 667297 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Copied it and applied it to itself. I don't know whether that's capable of building TC behavior, but I'm sure somebody's worked it out somewhere.
< 1726341342 99254 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1726341344 566027 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but still
< 1726341346 772963 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it something
< 1726341350 429416 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726341352 62164 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :WAIT
< 1726341354 855980 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :WAAAAAIT
< 1726341383 284095 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think ive got a sketch of S
< 1726341387 647819 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :frist take A
< 1726341389 445787 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to a's
< 1726341391 57427 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
< 1726341393 139916 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuuu
< 1726341413 408803 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :from now on ill bne suing normal lambda calculus
< 1726341418 550696 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to demonstarte my point
< 1726341435 914795 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :take a a
< 1726341439 46597 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a A
< 1726341443 557553 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with a input
< 1726341447 652203 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so
< 1726341471 823155 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :λx.(λy. x y)
< 1726341472 824363 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and
< 1726341477 833492 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
< 1726341480 755340 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaa
< 1726341489 862795 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726341498 406701 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have an operaotr i like to add
< 1726341501 181312 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726341502 729472 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1726341504 405630 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wont work
< 1726341520 114377 :Artea!~Lufia@vps.artea.ovh JOIN #esolangs Artea :Artea ElFo
< 1726341524 601076 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuuuu
< 1726341550 950037 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :λλ(1 0) is one bit of S
< 1726341557 325956 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726341558 628285 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so we have
< 1726341564 97035 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1726341565 328767 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuuuu
> 1726341578 654271 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Developers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139232&oldid=58335 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10
< 1726341593 54332 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my braaaain is fried ._.
< 1726341629 629814 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726341636 627671 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i want to se BCKW
< 1726341640 218495 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :rlly fast
> 1726341644 99781 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DirectBrainFUCK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139233&oldid=114430 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* Implementations */
> 1726341769 603637 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139234&oldid=139229 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+68) 10/* operators */
< 1726341782 564323 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726341901 175443 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BCKW makes it more obvious how K and S/W serve those purposes of deleting and copying. BC should hopefully be understandable as a fragment of BCI and not just random combinators.
< 1726341912 452944 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
< 1726341928 476452 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i understand B and C i think
> 1726341952 306233 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139235&oldid=139234 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+98) 10/* operators */
< 1726341971 287174 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726341974 653533 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have found B
< 1726341981 965590 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :B
< 1726341982 966299 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is
> 1726342014 127653 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139236&oldid=139235 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+20) 10/* operators */
< 1726342099 320030 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW
< 1726342105 944593 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b' (x i u) a
< 1726342109 131975 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dat B
< 1726342111 65678 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think
< 1726342198 798123 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and C
< 1726342230 660089 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1726342232 700342 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lemme think
< 1726342257 552614 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726342262 864330 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :C=B right?
< 1726342278 136103 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :excuse me?!?!?:
< 1726342278 636670 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :B x y z = x (y z);
< 1726342279 137404 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :C x y z = x z y;
< 1726342284 168987 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that are the same
< 1726342302 90528 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not at all. Remember, parentheses are application.
< 1726342320 991855 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1726342322 537546 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726342323 818056 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut
< 1726342325 891127 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726342331 405666 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now im even more fried
< 1726342333 117609 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Let's rename those variables. B g f x = g (f x); C f x y = f y x
< 1726342339 361287 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry dis must be a pain
< 1726342351 870760 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726342358 554067 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :B is composition, like you'd find in a category. It takes two functions and glues them together, passing the output of one to the input of another.
< 1726342371 730836 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726342375 134528 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so
< 1726342377 333649 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1726342382 30013 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :C is called a "flip". It takes a two-argument function and swaps the order in which the arguments will be given.
< 1726342392 68890 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726342393 397364 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooooo
< 1726342395 585391 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oooo
< 1726342396 777563 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726342398 658360 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :okkkkk
< 1726342402 126596 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :makes lot more sense
< 1726342446 492414 :Snufkin!~ismael@189.217.64.239 JOIN #esolangs * :ismael
< 1726342475 496751 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx!
< 1726342489 472964 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This should also give you a feel for why BCI is limited. All we can do is identity, composition, and flip; we can take any arrangement of inputs and return all of them as outputs, but that's all.
< 1726342526 645473 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1726342536 306968 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in BIC
< 1726342540 427871 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you consider the inputs
< 1726342541 970046 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as a set
< 1726342547 747806 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BCI can never do anything
< 1726342549 57354 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right?
< 1726342569 459640 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep. It can only express permutations of that set. It is complete for permutations, though.
< 1726342606 454189 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :finnaly
< 1726342611 10865 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my brain is understanding
< 1726342614 97559 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Have you seen Kleene's parameter theorem yet? Also called the Smn theorem. It's a very general statement about how to build functions.
< 1726342628 220020 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1726342630 517761 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i havent
< 1726342653 488259 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You need something like BCI, but you also need to be able to delete and copy values. And then Kleene shows how adding recursion lets us compute stuff.
< 1726342717 327853 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726342720 534989 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :will make combinators
< 1726342722 685401 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuuu
< 1726342725 147206 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so much noiuse
< 1726342759 626551 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No worries; I don't have anything else. Maybe it's time to take a break. Stand up, stretch, get more water, that sort of thing.
< 1726342782 210706 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :kk
< 1726342783 577652 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :will do
< 1726342799 876873 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe i should stop listenging to insane trap msuic while doing this
< 1726342801 105407 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :xD
> 1726342867 359748 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Emo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139237&oldid=43122 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* See also */
< 1726342892 428856 :Snufkin!~ismael@189.217.64.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1726343006 339533 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok got be
< 1726343008 431175 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :C next
< 1726343009 511535 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1726343082 623129 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :skip C for now
< 1726343085 80997 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :C needed?
< 1726343086 80687 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fr
< 1726343087 81671 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tf
< 1726343113 636158 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726343114 710512 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :W
< 1726343146 713773 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BI can't build C. Really. What's going on is that BI is for categories, and BCI is for categories with "finite products".
< 1726343164 792897 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but in. BCKW
< 1726343166 468714 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :???
> 1726343194 322813 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Extended Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139238&oldid=49019 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10/* Type III */
> 1726343207 152423 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Extended Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139239&oldid=139238 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-12) 10/* Type III */
< 1726343224 91709 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmmm. That's a good question. Note BCKW has to build I too.
> 1726343241 198087 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Extended Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139240&oldid=139239 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-52) 10/* Hello World! */
< 1726343282 241386 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So can BKW build I and then C? Dunno, could be an interesting research question.
< 1726343303 198813 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726343395 381612 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :W=a' e ( b' i (a' (d x i y) (d x i y) ) )
< 1726343397 487003 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think
< 1726343401 869577 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they get LONG
< 1726343413 354936 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726343432 260603 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe BKWI maybe?
< 1726343439 255787 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :could create
< 1726343442 166712 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :C?
< 1726343443 686676 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wonder
> 1726343490 609061 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FJ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139241&oldid=135503 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* See also */
< 1726343547 78042 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726343548 865174 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we got B
< 1726343551 192834 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :W
< 1726343552 474421 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :K
< 1726343553 911879 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I
< 1726343557 1741 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BWKI
< 1726343587 119051 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :W=a' e ( b' i (a' (d x i y) (d x i y) ) )
< 1726343587 618807 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :K=
< 1726343592 565561 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :B=b' (x i u) a
> 1726343671 924107 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fuck414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139242&oldid=32618 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* External resources */
< 1726343712 50998 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :B=b' (x i u) a
< 1726343712 550942 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :K=∞' (a i (d x i y))
< 1726343713 51011 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :W=a' e ( b' i (a' (d x i y) (d x i y) ) )
< 1726343716 107874 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yaaaaay
> 1726343726 363345 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FukYorBrane14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139243&oldid=54980 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+20) 10
> 1726343736 998637 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FukYorBrane14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139244&oldid=139243 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10
< 1726343740 729028 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1726343743 896790 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think so
< 1726343760 490704 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you say so. I'm not going to verify this, because I haven't written an interpreter. But I appreciate how much work you put into thinking about things and looking at your foundations.
< 1726343770 923734 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726343780 594109 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx:]!
< 1726343795 424084 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :holy s my brain is f'ed
< 1726343799 971325 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with both fried
< 1726343804 46402 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the other f word
> 1726343856 987168 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Golfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139245&oldid=68198 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* Partial implementation in C++ */
> 1726343861 931037 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139246&oldid=139236 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-17) 10/* operators */
< 1726343872 912145 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726343882 61463 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :c in unlambda is C in BCKW?
> 1726343963 274359 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139247&oldid=139246 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+37) 10/* operators */
> 1726343966 47326 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Harmful Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139248&oldid=41547 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10
> 1726344022 693540 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HQ9Cfuckfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139249&oldid=136625 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10
< 1726344032 985970 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right?
< 1726344035 627456 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but still
< 1726344038 12216 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im vrey happy
> 1726344048 276879 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hq9eFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139250&oldid=54535 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* External resources */
> 1726344088 570302 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139251&oldid=139247 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+18) 10/* operators */
< 1726344123 862593 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bye for now
< 1726344129 601304 :wWwwW38!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed
> 1726344230 905478 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ITMR14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139252&oldid=123449 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* Hello world program */
> 1726344260 483883 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JSFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139253&oldid=126877 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* Computational Class */
> 1726344435 660671 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Malbrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139254&oldid=120611 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* See also */
> 1726344535 930584 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minimal-2D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139255&oldid=46279 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* External resources */
> 1726344564 871260 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MiniStringFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139256&oldid=79475 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* See also */
> 1726344895 890368 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139257&oldid=139097 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+111) 10
> 1726344941 300172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139258&oldid=139257 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+40) 10
> 1726345056 314234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Not a brainfuck derivative14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139259&oldid=90069 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10
> 1726345217 137135 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PainLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139260&oldid=87082 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* Interpreters */
> 1726345283 906556 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PenisScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139261&oldid=103699 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* External resources */
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> 1726355641 457241 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Spoiler:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139303&oldid=139302 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-15) 10I will come up with more syntax later
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> 1726359432 907087 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Spoiler:14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139318&oldid=139317 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+111) 10Categories
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< 1726376846 62259 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we discussed stuff with
< 1726376848 474583 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ummm
< 1726376850 512577 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BCKW
< 1726376852 843189 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and SK
< 1726376856 219076 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you know
< 1726376859 253657 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does order matter
< 1726376866 342104 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do they need to have the order they have
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< 1726377243 649352 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, the orders "BCKW", "BCI", "SK", and "SKI" are all traditional. You'll sometimes see people put them in other orders.
< 1726377264 740795 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
> 1726377265 728391 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Domino Crisis14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139337&oldid=135598 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+684) 10To proof that it is Turing-Complete
< 1726377266 157161 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i meant
< 1726377270 838006 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you create
< 1726377273 197694 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :B
< 1726377275 75702 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but this B
< 1726377282 494870 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :take input in this order:
< 1726377289 846486 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :B z y x
< 1726377292 547836 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or something
< 1726377293 546862 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1726377305 452232 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it still does x (y z)
< 1726377316 180220 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but inputs are taken in a different order
< 1726377332 875334 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. It depends on what's available. This is the power of C; in this case, CB is the flip of B.
< 1726377349 408955 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k thx!
< 1726377353 884299 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also
< 1726377356 891957 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive made progress
< 1726377361 363174 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on the savage bapge
< 1726377363 801449 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*page
< 1726377373 642065 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nearly everything ids a lambda expression
< 1726377374 641675 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as well
< 1726377381 171956 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as that we have rules for what can apply
< 1726377384 916218 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs ::]
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> 1726377521 244303 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139339&oldid=139338 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+103) 10/* Mihai is unbanned! */
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< 1726377611 886037 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i still wonder if BKWI can get C
< 1726377711 445014 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it keeps me up at night
< 1726377713 30419 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1726377847 546075 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think so. I thought about it a bit more. BWKI is a theory of categories with finite products and a "diagonal", which is how category theorists talk about W's action.
< 1726377895 781446 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726377925 743286 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And it's folklore that this isn't quite enough to talk about flips, which imply that the product has the ability to swap its left-hand and right-hand components.
< 1726377941 482559 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726377944 791723 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i like
< 1726377954 63847 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how even in programming we have "folklore"
< 1726377955 64087 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1726377965 273226 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know it's not an understandable explanation. I just want to assure you that it's probably not possible so that you don't lose more sleep.
< 1726378023 302444 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol:]
< 1726378080 303650 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i feel like
< 1726378093 169013 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you know how some conjectures n' stuff takes years to proove or stuff
< 1726378094 795443 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in math
< 1726378112 144110 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then there's just dis community with a single person proving that black is TC
< 1726378114 596115 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or something else
< 1726378131 308498 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this group of ppl that is the esolang community is just insane
< 1726378142 749449 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i feel like
< 1726378159 177701 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Every proven conjecture has some single person somewhere at the end, too. Look at Fermat's Last Theorem for a famous recent example.
< 1726378172 598696 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726378174 987518 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but like
< 1726378181 83756 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so many ppl worked on it before
< 1726378185 980364 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like for example
< 1726378195 944831 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive prooved like 90 procent of my esolangs TC
< 1726378204 650935 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, if it helps, most programmers refuse to learn category theory or any other formal methods. Programming and software engineering are depressingly non-formal disciplines.
< 1726378204 685860 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(ignore my old ones)
< 1726378213 146010 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726378227 556307 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726378231 624052 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is dis possible
< 1726378233 588541 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs ::
< 1726378240 685697 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have a problem
< 1726378272 581180 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and its a undecidable problem to see if that problem is decidable not
< 1726378282 27689 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*deciadeable or not
< 1726378292 528655 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*decidable
< 1726378359 200003 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not exactly. We have to be more precise with terminology.
< 1726378366 386687 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726378375 112262 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i will try to be better
< 1726378377 760777 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ig
< 1726378383 703415 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :say we have a problem P
< 1726378393 164910 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it has properties
< 1726378394 566534 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, it's known statically whether something is a "decision problem". This is literally just a yes-or-no question about some inputs.
> 1726378406 768483 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BrainTangle14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139341 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+2880) 10Created page with "BrainTangle is an Esolang invented by PSTF and his (because he don't use ChatGPT now).  == Syntax Overview == === Data Types === BrainTangle only has one data type: a single-character string (a "tangle"). Operations on tangles are performed by manipulating the
< 1726378417 908118 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
> 1726378421 202100 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BrainTangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139342&oldid=139341 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1) 10
< 1726378423 942940 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so its bascically
< 1726378439 863819 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If we say this problem is "undecidable", what we mean is that the *set of inputs* is undecidable, and more specifically that we can't decide whether an input is in the yes-set.
< 1726378452 897067 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726378471 972415 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You'll see terminology like "semidecidable" which is more specific about the no-set.
< 1726378484 333682 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726378512 574385 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now, that all said, we can have sets of decision problems. There's no reason we can't have an undecidable subset of such a set.
< 1726378540 116686 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1726378736 44728 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Here's what I think is a real example from complexity theory. Let P/poly be the class P, but answers to each problem may be non-uniform, giving a polynomial amount of advice to each input.
< 1726378765 505347 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
> 1726378819 226554 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Gd auto level14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139343&oldid=138977 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+33) 10
< 1726378823 343388 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also let TALLY be the class of unary languages. TALLY is a subclass of P/poly. You can think of TALLY problems as counting up the size of the input and making a decision just based on that, so the poly advice just has to tell you whether this size is acceptable.
< 1726378838 471535 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726378857 444644 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But, uh, TALLY contains Halting for unary TMs, so it's undecidable whether an arbitrary program in P/poly is also in TALLY.
< 1726378866 725320 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :side qeustion: none of tally are TC right?
< 1726378871 617186 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*question'
< 1726378879 920012 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea
< 1726378961 529848 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726378970 709038 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so its undecidable
< 1726378975 908805 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that problm
< 1726378978 695476 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*problem
< 1726379061 201652 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
> 1726379233 826406 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139344&oldid=139329 5* 03Rosenthal 5* (+1) 10/* x = not x (boolean, logical) */ Fix missing shift marker
< 1726379880 814653 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also
< 1726379889 47190 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :KBWS is TC right
< 1726379936 423663 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, because SK is TC.
< 1726379946 762276 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea
< 1726379958 190053 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also i found a little "quirk" if you will with k
< 1726379966 717372 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :K can be passed to itself FOREVER
< 1726379973 339579 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :KKKKKKKKKKKKKK....
> 1726380037 143780 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07^14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139345 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+2222) 10Created page with "'''^''' is a special language for all Chinese people!  == Commands ==  {| class="wikitable" |+ Commands |- !  !! English !! Meaning |- |  "[]" || Print "[text]" || Prints a string of text |- |  [] || Output [variable] || Outputs the value of a variable |- |  [] || Input [var
> 1726380062 963962 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139346&oldid=139142 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+59) 10
< 1726380072 353633 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :YES
< 1726380077 113556 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :YESYEYSYEYSYEYSYEYSYEYSYYSYEY
< 1726380079 335237 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I
< 1726380083 17894 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :HAVE FOUND
< 1726380084 460754 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :S
< 1726380086 911633 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :AND
< 1726380088 84723 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :K
< 1726380098 850608 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :IN Savage Operator
> 1726380106 649430 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139347&oldid=139014 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+14) 10/* Non-alphabetic */
> 1726380186 742165 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139348&oldid=139347 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+22) 10/* S */
< 1726380199 968748 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im very a
< 1726380202 924731 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :happy
> 1726380367 624723 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139349&oldid=139340 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+164) 10/* I'm glad about you're "revived" in the Esolang Wiki. */
> 1726380376 336709 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139350&oldid=139349 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+1) 10/* I'm glad about you're "revived" in the Esolang Wiki. */
> 1726380607 917752 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139351&oldid=139344 5* 03Rosenthal 5* (+11) 10/* x = not x (boolean, logical) */ Split into `x = not x` and `y = not x`
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> 1726382419 697233 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139352&oldid=139351 5* 03Rosenthal 5* (+1) 10/* x = x and y (boolean, logical) */ Fix destination classifications
> 1726382584 794984 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:CJK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139353&oldid=8237 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+19) 10
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< 1726383253 750769 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i could share if ya want
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> 1726384693 270887 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139354&oldid=139352 5* 03Rosenthal 5* (+33) 10/* x = x or y (boolean, logical) */ Split by destination
> 1726384872 532863 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BubbleLang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139355 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+5536) 10Created page with "BubbleLang is designed by PSTF.  == Name == I don't know why, but I like this name because I like the shape of circle and sphere.  == Sources of inspiration == I let my  to generate an Esolang, and I inspired from that.  I'm also inspired from Python and C++.  
> 1726385181 129206 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139356&oldid=139354 5* 03Rosenthal 5* (-46) 10Combine z = x or y sections
> 1726385631 441585 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sorry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139357&oldid=139199 5* 03Xff 5* (+1) 10/* information */
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> 1726385869 857824 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BubbleLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139358&oldid=139355 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+29) 10/* Categories */
> 1726385888 292777 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Generated by AI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139359&oldid=139152 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+14) 10
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> 1726386460 951650 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Use of AI in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139360&oldid=127758 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+49) 10/* Esoteric languages invented by AI */
> 1726386750 337031 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sorry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139361&oldid=139357 5* 03Xff 5* (+175) 10
> 1726386799 269822 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sorry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139362&oldid=139361 5* 03Xff 5* (+26) 10
> 1726387060 303160 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sorry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139363&oldid=139362 5* 03Xff 5* (+0) 10/* information */
> 1726387175 705858 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Srry14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139364 5* 03Xff 5* (+353) 10Created page with "'''srry''' is [[Sorry]] but with one change. == the change == now we only have [] with a conditional. if they hold two nothings(two spaces) then we will do ^ else we will do []. also it pops top. so now [''x''] is:  [ ][''x'']
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> 1726387284 809674 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072d14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139365&oldid=136378 5* 03Ais523 5* (-29) 10rm hatnote  similarly named language was renamed
> 1726387311 305551 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User:Ractangle/2D10]]": cross-namespace redirect left over after a page was deuserfied
> 1726387348 746020 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139366&oldid=139090 5* 03Ais523 5* (+14) 10bypass double redirect
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> 1726388142 569180 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brains***14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139367 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+23) 10Redirected page to [[Brainshit]]
> 1726388152 642138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brains**t14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139368 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+23) 10Redirected page to [[Brainshit]]
> 1726388248 366026 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainshit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139369&oldid=139325 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-19) 10
> 1726388664 104773 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139370&oldid=139336 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+289) 10/* operators */
> 1726389136 618783 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139371&oldid=139138 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+389) 10/* Horribly translated variants */
> 1726389700 860282 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139372 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+26) 10Redirected page to [[Unassignable]]
< 1726390121 717155 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i got an rlly weird esolang idea
< 1726390126 465804 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its like a 2d esolang
< 1726390129 46262 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but like
< 1726390140 809118 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it uses combinatory logic style operators
> 1726390169 750359 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FrontFlip14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139373 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+312) 10Created page with "'''FrontFlip''' is a version of [[Backflip]] with two new commands  == new commands == there are two new commands: {| class="wikitable" |- ! command !! description |- | [ || copy it and the comand right to it in pointer direction and turn 90 degrees clockwise |- | ^ 
> 1726390175 777949 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FrontFlip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139374&oldid=139373 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1) 10
> 1726390206 950586 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139375&oldid=139159 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+11) 10
> 1726390235 416850 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Srry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139376&oldid=139364 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+69) 10
< 1726390353 254748 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and korvo if your readin dis my goal is to see what the difference between 2d and 1d is and how far you can go with each
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> 1726390523 757140 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF-RLE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139378&oldid=66268 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* External resources */
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> 1726390827 377473 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CLFCE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139379&oldid=138850 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-204) 10
> 1726390835 641013 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CLFCE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139380&oldid=139379 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* Hello World */
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> 1726390872 976443 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CLFCE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139382&oldid=139381 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+4) 10/* Examples */
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> 1726390896 384324 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CLFCE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139383&oldid=139382 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10/* Commands */
> 1726390951 107731 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish/Implementations (nonalphabetic and A-L)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139384&oldid=138190 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* CLFCE */
> 1726391175 34463 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139385&oldid=139198 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-39) 10fixed the problem with the /* CLFCE */ section
> 1726391343 861768 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139386&oldid=139385 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* CLFCE */
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> 1726393049 785875 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139387&oldid=139210 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+8) 10/* computational class */
> 1726393058 391801 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139388&oldid=139387 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* computational class */
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> 1726394311 540611 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BubbleLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139389&oldid=139358 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+3) 10
> 1726394370 776011 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07@NUM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139390&oldid=66248 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10/* To Do */
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> 1726394696 619877 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0713ial14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139391 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+115) 10Created page with "'''13ial''' (or '''13 instruction assembly language''') is basicly self explanatory. It's a 13 instruction assembly"
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> 1726396568 928934 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0713ial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139392&oldid=139391 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+39) 10
> 1726396618 655172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072 Player14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139393&oldid=138968 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+89) 10/* commands */
> 1726396748 693412 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139394&oldid=139356 5* 03Rosenthal 5* (+8) 10/* if (x) { code1 } else { code2 } */ Divide different implementations
> 1726396788 691929 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072 Player14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139395&oldid=139393 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+87) 10/* commands */
> 1726397174 823939 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BubbleLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139396&oldid=139389 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (-29) 10Just inspired from, not really generated by AI
> 1726397249 388255 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072 Player14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139397&oldid=139395 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+117) 10
> 1726397310 433253 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139398&oldid=137334 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1) 10/* Commands */
> 1726397347 501977 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139399&oldid=139350 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+672) 10
> 1726397440 441277 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139400&oldid=139398 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+18) 10/* Commands */
> 1726397621 635415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139401&oldid=139400 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-42) 10/* Truth-machine */
> 1726397652 440681 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139402&oldid=139401 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-6) 10/* Truth-machine */
> 1726397737 525871 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139403&oldid=139402 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-98) 10If there is no "End of road". The program will go back to the start (and ignoring the Start of road)
> 1726397848 672746 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139404&oldid=139403 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10IT'S I [[User:Ractangle]]
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> 1726397992 729418 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072 Player14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139405&oldid=139397 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10/* examples */
> 1726398025 266521 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139406&oldid=139394 5* 03Rosenthal 5* (+79) 10Consistently separate implementations and format attributions
> 1726398183 524371 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A+B Problem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139407&oldid=139312 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1) 10/* {{Spoiler|}} */
> 1726398206 854203 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A+B Problem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139408&oldid=139407 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-12) 10/* {{Spoiler|}} */
> 1726398276 828097 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139409&oldid=139310 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-13) 10/* {{Spoiler|}} */
> 1726398295 372715 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139410&oldid=139409 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10/* Spoiler: */
> 1726398306 24986 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Spoiler:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139411&oldid=139319 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10/* Challenge */
> 1726398358 446809 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Spoiler:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139412&oldid=139411 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1) 10
< 1726398427 879459 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey ais523 what do you think of my underload minimazation?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Sorry
> 1726398954 763695 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Use of AI in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139413&oldid=139360 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+40) 10/* Esolang interpreters generated by AI */
> 1726398987 277137 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Use of AI in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139414&oldid=139413 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1) 10/* Esolang interpreters generated by AI */
> 1726399037 510742 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Generated by AI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139415&oldid=139359 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+5) 10
> 1726399253 912603 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139416&oldid=133988 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10/* CATEGORIES */
> 1726399361 207818 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139417&oldid=139348 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+17) 10
> 1726399501 940969 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Noner Kao14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139418&oldid=53977 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+12) 10/* Projects */
> 1726399660 785723 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139419&oldid=128486 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+223) 10
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> 1726400002 208346 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139420&oldid=139406 5* 03Rosenthal 5* (+4) 10/* x = pseudo-random number */ Divide unrelated implementations
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> 1726400688 550784 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139421&oldid=139420 5* 03Rosenthal 5* (-3) 10/* Divmod algorithm */ Fix typos
> 1726400887 6758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139422&oldid=139421 5* 03Rosenthal 5* (-22) 10Remove redundant algorithm from headers
< 1726400984 750616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. There really should be a better word than "illusion" to describe this thing: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/duckduckbunny.png (It is pretty cool (despite the (I assumed) edited clouds in the left part). Haven't watched the video...)
> 1726401067 139866 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck Python interpreter (ChatGPT)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139423 5* 03Corbin 5* (+145) 10In this page, what does "optimized" mean?
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> 1726401473 181245 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139424&oldid=139422 5* 03Rosenthal 5* (+29) 10/* Print value of cell x as number (8-bit) */ Attribute author
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> 1726402591 598448 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139425&oldid=139424 5* 03Rosenthal 5* (-46) 10/* Input a decimal number */ Unindent code
< 1726402785 885077 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: hehe, that's similar to the two horse-riders illusion I think
< 1726403053 939648 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :two horse-riders (exists with both donkeys and horses, in lots of variants) => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN3z7eIqRg4 
< 1726403055 350058 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut would happen if SKI or something was evaluated lazily
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< 1726403212 827867 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wonder
< 1726403348 481896 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Maybe today's your introduction to Church-Rosser properties and confluence. In short: no, the results of evaluating combinators don't depend on evaluation order, but that's only because they don't have effects.
< 1726403366 733683 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k!
< 1726403435 742551 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:9b40:2139:2800:2d53:42b9:7c96:d9e1 JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie
< 1726403488 245668 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some strategies will fail to find normal forms when they exist though. KI(SII(SII)) has normal form I but innermost reduction reduces it to itself in a couple of steps.
< 1726403526 828666 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726403533 47284 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726403540 323621 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :SII -> SII
< 1726403550 677478 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, SII is a normal form
< 1726403563 516607 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :normal form?
< 1726403571 57619 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can't be reduced further
< 1726403578 226389 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1726403579 233326 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1726403591 118387 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :In this context, -> usually denotes an actual reduction step.
< 1726403605 385582 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726403677 394537 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx
< 1726403696 584322 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :SII(SII) -> I(SII)(I(SII)) -> I(SII)(SII) -> SII(SII) using innermost steps
< 1726403707 814101 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tf
< 1726403710 736272 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :infinite loop
< 1726403711 881435 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yay
< 1726403718 698691 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so
< 1726403725 972021 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :SII(SII) => SII(SII)
< 1726403739 618850 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where => is the "final" reduction
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< 1726403841 575532 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726403865 33296 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :would
< 1726403869 106812 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :USI
< 1726403872 613092 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where U
< 1726403876 645869 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is KKx
< 1726403880 325997 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :be TC?
< 1726403887 406776 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is x?
< 1726403893 156517 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
< 1726403894 859297 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :U x
< 1726403901 780311 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :would be KK x
< 1726403914 550298 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you discard one input
< 1726403925 679483 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and return K on the non discareded one
< 1726403930 848482 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so
< 1726403933 847331 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So U = KK? That gives you KKI = K so it's essentially just SKI again.
< 1726403946 474866 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :without I
< 1726403957 602352 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :KKS = K then and you get I = SKK
< 1726403969 925895 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1726403974 628664 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but you dont have K
< 1726403980 425338 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You have US = KKS = K
< 1726403992 860266 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea
< 1726404007 144194 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or UU = KKU = K if you prefer that
< 1726404018 415695 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idc
< 1726404020 107300 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :rlly
< 1726404031 90091 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait so you replace the S with U
< 1726404032 429889 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how
< 1726404034 656641 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok well
< 1726404036 212743 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well
< 1726404062 713698 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, Ux = KKx = K for any x.
< 1726404078 15408 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea
< 1726404080 466087 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuuu
< 1726404082 100191 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im stupid
< 1726404108 524995 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(sorry for asking so much im rlly into combinatory logic rn)
< 1726404114 110374 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but would RS be TC
< 1726404128 517002 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where R = BKxS
< 1726404132 654805 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Be TC?
< 1726404138 907482 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where B is from BCKW
< 1726404158 92806 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :again, what's x?
< 1726404167 990815 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuuu
< 1726404170 637851 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im sto stupid
< 1726404183 458814 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :R x = B K x S
< 1726404186 570153 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or
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< 1726404190 733757 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
< 1726404200 901635 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and no K is not applied to x
< 1726404239 34394 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait yea
< 1726404244 149998 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :K not applied to x yea
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> 1726404642 386924 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck Python interpreter (ChatGPT)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139426&oldid=139423 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+145) 10
< 1726404646 485704 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know about that one.
< 1726404674 451762 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm
< 1726404675 124837 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol @esolangs
< 1726404680 14898 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lemme check real fast
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< 1726405013 136609 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
> 1726405131 56693 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you f*** the brain14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139427 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+41) 10Redirected page to [[How dare you fuck the brain]]
< 1726405289 709615 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You have Rxy = xS which is something you don't get with S alone. But it's weaker than K. It may still be TC but it won't just reuse the fact that SK is TC; some extra work is necessary. It's also not obviously non-TC... AFAICS we don't even know that for the S combinator all by itself.
< 1726405318 389644 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, AFAIK
< 1726405365 86385 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im prety sure with the Q operator it would work. Q x y = y x
< 1726405366 917462 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so
< 1726405376 742504 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :QRxy = Sx
< 1726405390 867922 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1726405405 188157 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait wut
< 1726405417 27355 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :remember that QRxy is ((QR)x)y
< 1726405432 688741 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea
< 1726405434 716558 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :QRxy = xRy... and now it depends on x.
< 1726405448 745452 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then Q(Rxy) = Sx then right?
< 1726405453 156661 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Q(Rxy) = Q(xS) and it still depends on x.
< 1726405466 162794 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaaa
< 1726405545 265824 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even if you had ꙮxy = Sx and S the status (TC or not) would be unclear to me.
< 1726405567 892619 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ꙮ?
< 1726405571 549678 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why use ꙮ
< 1726405576 812471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`w limerick
< 1726405579 787303 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​limerick//A limerick is a verse with two left metrical feet and three right metrical feet.
< 1726405593 257227 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`' ꙮ
< 1726405594 651793 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1125)  A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric."
< 1726405609 524869 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726405609 761053 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode ꙮ
< 1726405611 443201 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O]
< 1726405631 390927 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :ꙮh
< 1726405650 856147 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's our favorite letter. ;-) (I'm making this up, but it's fair to say that we have a bit of culture around it.)
< 1726405666 982594 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726405671 586245 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well i like it
< 1726405686 331478 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im making a esolang based on dis disscusion btw
< 1726405724 430439 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1726405834 554292 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
> 1726405848 59891 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139428 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+258) 10Created page with "'''FROSTWIRE-666''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]]. its some combinators for [[Combinatory logic]] == combinators == FROSTWIRE-666 has these operators:  S from SKI  R x = B (K) x (S)  Q x y = y x  x y=S (K x y)  G x=x x  T x y z=B ( x y) x z"
< 1726405856 248171 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there it is^^
< 1726405856 748898 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^
< 1726405919 672925 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord
> 1726405938 429 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139429&oldid=139428 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+13) 10/* combinators */
< 1726405947 434154 :mtm!~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs mtm :Textual User
< 1726406053 107019 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, would you rather make three dozen esolangs, or one that people actually care about?
< 1726406069 276142 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1726406080 433218 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what time of the day is it?
< 1726406089 470465 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1726406114 154210 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :????
> 1726406130 518351 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139430&oldid=128898 5* 03Rosenthal 5* (+639) 10Ask about strange bitwise NOT
< 1726406132 466607 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :time zones are a thing so I thought this was the best possible answer
< 1726406151 364287 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1726406153 227666 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i said'
< 1726406153 346822 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what's θ?
< 1726406168 35230 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you asked a question with no well-defined answer
< 1726406171 523473 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the answer to your question is dependent on timezone
< 1726406192 320221 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :θ you could see on combinatory page
< 1726406195 788214 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1726406200 664935 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :combinatory logic page
< 1726406205 642158 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :more combinators
< 1726406219 362180 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Non-primitives
< 1726406221 667379 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :spesifically
> 1726406257 640500 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139431&oldid=139429 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+39) 10
< 1726406282 784754 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`datei
< 1726406284 471599 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-09-15 13:18:03.701 +0000 UTC September 15 Sunday 2024-W37-7
< 1726406297 568051 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow
< 1726406304 974759 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` TZ="Europe/Helsinki" datei # if you have a specific timezone in mind
< 1726406307 150654 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-09-15 16:18:26.283 +0300 EEST September 15 Sunday 2024-W37-7
< 1726406318 457605 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726406333 731044 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also dateu for guaranteed UTC; datei actually uses the locale-dependent timezone, that just happens to default to UTC on HackEso these days
< 1726406350 33206 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :um, no, technically not *locale*-dependent, but dependent on your environment and the fallback default in /etc
< 1726406366 250344 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :kkk
> 1726406445 586801 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139432&oldid=139431 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-11) 10
> 1726406524 767416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Eugene14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139433&oldid=139042 5* 03Eugene 5* (+4) 10
> 1726406579 683901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Kin1009 5*  10New user account
> 1726406666 718152 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139434&oldid=139375 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+20) 10/* esolangs */
< 1726407116 638451 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Combinatory logic isn't an esolang. In fact, it's not a language. I'd say that a better way to understand it is as a type or a pattern of constructors that can be put on top of types.
< 1726407142 522133 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: If combinatory logic is not a language, what is it?
< 1726407149 648523 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726407152 426288 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ig
< 1726407153 953511 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :combinatory logic is multiple esolangs, if you choose a basis and an evaluation strategy then it's a specific esolang
< 1726407165 672886 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also true
< 1726407169 342439 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aw, the RAG bot's not working, I guess.
> 1726407246 32144 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Combinatory logic is a **formal model of computation**. It's a way to describe how programs work, not a programming language itself. Think of it like a blueprint for how to build a computer program. It uses a set of rules and symbols to represent computations, and it's powerful enough to capture the essence of any program, even those written in...
> 1726407246 35264 PRIVMSG #esolangs :other languages.
< 1726407252 802679 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like {B,C,K,W,I} as the basis and leftmost inner (eager/unlambda) evolution 
< 1726407291 449013 :wryl!sid553797@user/meow/Wryl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1726407304 447511 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: In particular, the terms we've been using the past few days are the *initial model*. All that means is, for any other model, there's a way to map each term into that other model.
< 1726407323 112509 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh
< 1726407334 407112 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but these days I prefer multi-argument instead of single-argument lambdas, which corresonds mostly to the Amicus language instead of traditional Church style combinatory logic
< 1726407349 2786 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, like, suppose I implement S and K in Python. Then I can map any term of S and K into Python using that implementation, and it'll still behave as expected.
< 1726407353 581137 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, Amicus without numbers
< 1726407375 696061 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Like int-e says, "as expected" includes quirks of evaluation order. You have to carefully choose which of U, Y, or Z is your fixed-point combinator.)
< 1726407392 744619 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :UYZ?
< 1726407458 286612 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ik about U i think
< 1726407475 263295 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :U, Y, and Z all allow for some sort of recursion. They're very different in appearance, but that's mostly because of evaluation order.
< 1726407488 557337 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726407521 576825 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The main point to understand is that U = \(00) in lambda calculus; it applies something to itself. It's the "Turing bird" we talked about the other day.
< 1726407530 753294 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can tell it's important because https://esolangs.org/wiki/Combinatory_logic has a (!!!) next to it!
< 1726407546 765090 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1726407554 898929 :wryl!sid553797@user/meow/Wryl JOIN #esolangs Wryl :Wryl
< 1726407600 678683 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, seriously. Like, consider my beloved https://esolangs.org/wiki/Cammy. Here's one thing I said: "the program (comp dup apply), sometimes called the "Turing bird", will be rejected by the toolchain as ill-typed."
< 1726407622 939063 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726407627 846678 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And at the top: "each expression is an S-expression denoting a total function."
< 1726407650 49718 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because Cammy's total, the toolchain *must* reject the Turing bird.
< 1726407665 301059 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726407673 134526 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you want to be TC, you *must* have a way to build either U or something with similar powers, like Y or Z.
< 1726407681 559276 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's the main point.
< 1726407690 467270 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726407693 95778 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also sorry
< 1726407697 608980 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i was kinda confused
< 1726407699 759916 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we above chat
< 1726407707 38800 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where i made *my* U
< 1726407763 859629 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No worries. That's one of the dangers of redefining standard names.
< 1726407782 109461 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just choose a symbol
< 1726407819 101297 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know. If it helps, that's how most of the combinators got standard names in the first place. I have a rule in my head that's like "C is for composition, no wait, C is for flips and B is for composition"
< 1726407842 832803 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ig you could use lol
< 1726407848 781413 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
< 1726407851 617226 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :K is for "konstant" and I is "identity" but I have no idea about the others. Smullyan gives them beautiful bird names which are also hard to remember.
< 1726407873 598938 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, B is for Bluebird. Okay, which is...? Even remembering the stories in the book doesn't really help.
< 1726407887 671221 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :symbol for my U: ɭ
< 1726407924 373301 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The actual way to remember B is to look at it as a miniature diagram depicting the composition of two arrows.)
< 1726407934 156666 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726408096 264379 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should document the B-C-K-W-I turing-completeness proof on the wiki at some point. We have https://esolangs.org/wiki/S_and_K_Turing-completeness_proof plus derivations of S and K at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Combinatory_logic#BCKW_calculus which is technically enough for a proof, but there's a direct proof that's somewhat interesting.
< 1726408161 583348 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should formalize some of the reductions. I know it's not hard to write a casual SKI reduction tool, but I don't think there's like a Metamath or Coq database.
< 1726408176 738937 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, uh, *Rocq now, right?
> 1726408238 276020 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139435&oldid=133777 5* 03B jonas 5* (-8) 10/* BCKW calculus */
> 1726408283 963250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BubbleLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139436&oldid=139396 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+47) 10
< 1726408288 363420 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"The rename is currently in preparation"
> 1726408349 58978 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139437&oldid=138271 5* 03B jonas 5* (+147) 10/* Todo */
< 1726408879 428106 :Thelie!~Thelie@214-110-035-185.ip-addr.vsenet.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1726409044 114854 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i made this. doesnt this delete Bsckflip's memory limitation?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/FrontFlip
> 1726409049 944113 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FrontFlip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139438&oldid=139374 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10
< 1726409472 500385 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: SKI reduction tool => David Madore's unlambda writeup http://www.madore.org/~david/programs/unlambda/#impl explains how to do that
< 1726409540 919832 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i still like how from a set perspective BCI can do nothing
< 1726410221 335447 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1726410285 912078 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello ais
> 1726410483 478751 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:HecknTarnation14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139439 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+136) 10Created page with "wanna make a esolang with me maybe idk ?? [:~~~~:]"
< 1726410704 586686 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Okay, so with careful consideration, I think that it should be *theoretically* possible to compile Unlambda to a graph-reduction machine (as efficient as GHC) after first doing a continuation-passing transformation.
< 1726410840 66488 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But it is remarkable how it was an open question just a few decades ago.
> 1726410894 817774 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139440&oldid=139371 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+514) 10/* Horribly translated variants */
> 1726410939 920056 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139441&oldid=139432 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+27) 10/* combinators */
> 1726411066 10717 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BubbleLang/Algorithm14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139442 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+809) 10Created page with "== Swap two numbers == 
 function swap(x: int*, y: int*):     var t: int* = x     x = y     y = t 
 Thus makes these things: === Bubble sort === 
 function swap(x: int*, y: int*):     var t: int* = x     x = y     y = t  function bubble_so
< 1726411108 331986 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I'm mostly thinking of the subset without c and d, so basically just ski calculus
< 1726411188 813030 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Ah, sure. There's a fully-worked series of articles on that here: https://crypto.stanford.edu/~blynn/compiler/
> 1726411195 834865 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BubbleLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139443&oldid=139436 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+49) 10
< 1726411240 779329 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : hey ais523 what do you think of my underload minimazation?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Sorry ← it's not very Underload-like
> 1726411254 50424 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BubbleLang/Algorithm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139444&oldid=139442 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+15) 10
< 1726411258 848854 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726411276 952190 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was just an atempt to make the minimal command set smaller
< 1726411301 726407 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what happens if you try to run a command with unmatched brackets?
< 1726411307 723885 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oof
< 1726411312 283802 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i need to specify
< 1726411314 491411 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im so stupid
< 1726411316 556034 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but umm
< 1726411317 605855 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :error
< 1726411336 96471 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's already a minimization of Underload to two commands here: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#A_two-command_basis_for_a_pure_concatenative_language
< 1726411347 48656 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1726411364 270037 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1726411365 509709 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut
< 1726411369 178880 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats 3 commands
< 1726411372 306005 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: even with the c builtin, r5rs is from 1998 so presumably they knew how to implement all that at the point, and unlambda with c (possibly without d) is trivial to compile to r5rs scheme, it has the full lexical local variables, lamdbas, and full call-with-current-continuation
< 1726411375 364567 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the copy push and eval command
< 1726411382 711924 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, it's just M and ^
> 1726411387 209344 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sorry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139445&oldid=139363 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+79) 10/* information */
< 1726411398 134695 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1726411400 88815 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OOOO
< 1726411401 503035 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it was known for at least 26 years, I suspect longer
< 1726411401 652948 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuuuu
< 1726411410 51112 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where M is equivalent to (~)(:)(^)(a)(*)(!!!!!!) in Underload
< 1726411416 17225 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea
< 1726411420 661731 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im sto STUPID
< 1726411421 661851 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1726411421 917157 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it was me who designed that originally
< 1726411424 170606 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*so
< 1726411427 874820 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whe
< 1726411430 868815 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
< 1726411437 120409 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :forget that message
< 1726411462 359421 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: There's a question of efficiency when it comes to "sharing" (avoiding copying) in lazy contexts, and I think Scheme isn't likely to ever really solve this. I don't think typical implementations do much sharing besides lambda-lifting.
< 1726411476 73701 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the positions of most of the commands inside don't really matter, but the (~) being at the start and (!!!!!!) at the end (with length that's enough to pop all the things M pushed, plus 1) is key to how it works
< 1726411487 90971 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1726411488 602719 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: sure, scheme and unlambda are non-lazy in the same way
< 1726411490 674470 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But yeah, I see your point. In terms of compiler engineering effort, yes, Unlambda compiles easily to Scheme.
< 1726411506 348655 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i also minimized sorry to srry(on command but very much not underlaod like)
< 1726411518 918802 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I think most interpreters along those lines do the copying lazily and don't have other optimizations
> 1726411562 969770 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139446&oldid=139370 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10/* Turing-completeness */
> 1726411593 554497 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Savage Operator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139447&oldid=139446 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+11) 10/* Turing-completeness */
< 1726411618 27593 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: wrt combinatoric logic normal forms, I generally think of them being in normal forms if no reduction rules are even possible to apply to the term you have
< 1726411637 750372 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so SII doesn't have a normal form, the way I think about it – you can keep applying reduction rules indefinitely
< 1726411657 327535 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whereas something like K(SI) is a normal form because none of the combinators has enough arguments to do anything
< 1726411677 560991 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why is it that so many combinators are named after birds???
< 1726411680 162020 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :turings bird
< 1726411682 445841 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ect.
< 1726411707 772866 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: That'd be the Smullyan book I mentioned earlier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Mock_a_Mockingbird
< 1726411729 646640 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: No reduction rules apply to SII. You're probably confusing SII and SII(SII)
< 1726411730 373480 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
> 1726411734 227558 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BubbleLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139448&oldid=139443 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+53) 10
< 1726411760 967632 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(SII is what you get from \x. x x by abstraction elimination.)
< 1726411771 818215 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: err, yes, I meant SII(SII)
< 1726411780 99277 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yup, the Mockingbird book which tells about a series of possibly enchanted forests which each have a population of birds closed to application
< 1726411783 237399 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :SII is in normal form already, S takes three arguments
< 1726411788 546752 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: and yes, SII(SII) doesn't have a normal form
< 1726411795 965916 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And SII actually *captures* it, because SIIx -> x(x))
< 1726411802 262928 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you can apply any bird in a forest to any other, and the result is a bird that's also in the forest
< 1726411805 631376 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas wow. ...why tho?
< 1726411812 930772 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was experimenting a lot with BCKW combinator calculus recently
< 1726411815 134792 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(with standard definitions from (first-order) rewriting)
< 1726411819 731263 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the forest has every combinator
< 1726411823 742140 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or whatever you call i
< 1726411825 270169 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*it
< 1726411840 748667 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: because if you have a few suitable starting birds, as in S and K, and can distinguish at least two birds, then you get a Turing-complete forest to which you can compile any computation
< 1726411849 115707 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just like SK combinator calculus is neater using I, BCKW combinator calculus is also neater with a couple of extra combinators
< 1726411860 793130 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so one day we (at least the people in that book) might be able to replace computers with birds
< 1726411869 718331 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1726411887 831268 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one is I, the other is (flip id)
< 1726411905 850273 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You laugh, but some researchers built a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billiard-ball_computer out of crabs.
< 1726411922 354813 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...
< 1726411923 398538 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why
< 1726411930 577181 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just fricking why
< 1726411939 513608 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :why not?
< 1726411939 911572 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ppl do some weird stuff sometimes ._.
< 1726411941 41100 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aren't you pumping out dozens of esolangs?
< 1726411948 607809 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726411957 746752 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also
< 1726411971 624990 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :me ∈ ppl
< 1726411984 438820 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you need the property that you can distinguish two birds otherwise you can never extract any result from the computation,
< 1726411989 2414 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or am i?*plays Vsauce theme*
< 1726411992 843962 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, flip can be defined entirely in terms of (flip id) and (.)
< 1726412002 513816 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my notes say F = A (V V) (A A (A (V A) (A A V))), where F is flip, V is (flip id) and A is (.)
< 1726412021 367071 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas so with a good bird identifier and a lot of birds you have somethign TC
< 1726412022 366754 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1726412033 433307 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can also define id (unsurprisingly), it's A (V V) (A A V)
< 1726412041 175285 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you need a suitable basis of starting birds to exists otherwise you could get a boring trivial forest that has just unlmabda v and i which can only do boolean multiplication, though Smullyan actually discusses a few forests that are limited in a more interesting way than just that
< 1726412049 32617 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726412060 207087 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Another way to understand what b_jonas is saying is that the final output of a (halted) computer is merely a projection of its internal state.
< 1726412071 183137 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :agian true
< 1726412086 95280 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i got a full lesson about combinator logic today
< 1726412087 97276 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1726412096 942054 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You don't have to be able to read a combinator from the (finitely) many feathers of a bird, merely a way to describe the bird *in terms of other birds*. Smullyan makes this point.
< 1726412115 152533 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the really interesting thing is that I think there's enough power to define K like this, too (although I don't have the definition worked out), using a recursive definition of the form K a b c = K (a c) b
< 1726412120 244435 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: the bird forests contain not only halting combinators though, it's really closed to application even if the result of that application is a bird without normal form
< 1726412155 193903 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although that might need some messing around with evaluation order
< 1726412165 272083 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Yeah. In that sense, the birds (and combinatory logic) are actually *generalized* computation. They do more than what our physical computers can actually do.
< 1726412168 123992 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais423: if so then k a b c = k a
< 1726412171 223163 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps it should be K a b c = K (A a c) b so that a c doesn't go into an infinte loop
< 1726412181 730332 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right?
< 1726412183 63263 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, no
< 1726412186 824892 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I got it right first time
< 1726412208 364299 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i love how v is recursive
< 1726412209 474044 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the point is that K a b = a (by definition), so K a b c = a c = K (a c) b
< 1726412212 811663 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in unlambda
< 1726412220 365623 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is why near the end of the book professor Griffin expresses the view that maybe there's a forest that lets you do computations that a Turing-complete computer can't do
< 1726412223 591614 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right?
< 1726412235 642341 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas whyyyyyyyyy
< 1726412244 915861 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but there's no definite evidence of that forest
< 1726412254 389736 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why cant we just have TC as being the ,ost powerfull:[
< 1726412256 19366 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1726412258 939076 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*most
< 1726412425 423900 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also Smullyan is careful enough that the book doesn't say anything about the speed of computation with birds. he says that given two birds in a forest you can find their application in the forest, but no time limit for how quickly you can find it, so it's quite possible that a computation that's slow on a computer is also slow using birds.
< 1726412449 848383 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so there's no reason to think that birds let you do exponentially slow computations quickly.
< 1726412453 782593 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :TC≠fast
< 1726412508 474181 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right?
< 1726412543 240701 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :specifically to do an application, you first have to sing the name of the argument word to the function bird, it sings back the name of the application result, and then you have to find the bird of that name. any of these steps could take a long time.
> 1726412570 78745 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BubbleLang/Examples14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139449 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+2689) 10Created page with "[[BubbleLang]]  == Simple game == 
 from random import randint print("Copyright by Spectre 2012~2024(C)\nAll right reserved.\n") var a = input("Please Input how many life do you have(If you guessing wrong, your life will be leaves 1): ") if a == ""
< 1726412596 507527 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church-Turing_thesis encapsulates the idea that there's no "effective method" more powerful than TC. It's necessarily informal.
> 1726412646 592721 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BubbleLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139450&oldid=139448 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+45) 10
< 1726412649 225414 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and, like all important questions, there's a lot of different versions of the Church-Turing thesis that you can choose from
< 1726412650 847420 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The support is basically that people have come up with a handful of different abstract-but-realistic models of computation, and they're all equally powerful.
< 1726412709 661700 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :We have more powerful models too, often involving various oracles that transcend computable functions.
< 1726412724 674694 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1726412745 12133 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep, that's why it's called Church-Turing: Church refers to untyped lambda calculus, while Turing refers to finite control with one writable tape Turing machines, these were found to be equivalently powerful
< 1726412760 411725 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1726412761 412504 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ik
< 1726412804 500910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then there's whoever is responsible for recursive functions... (Kleene?)
< 1726412859 990775 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Gödel too; he encoded those in PA.)
< 1726412870 164228 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :David Madore has three different educational families of esolangs illustrating Turing-complete computations and computations more powerful than that
< 1726412881 811050 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Gödel is very good math person
< 1726412933 687738 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But not the greatest survivor.
< 1726412942 357024 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
> 1726412956 414138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02BubbleLang/Examples10]]": Copyright violation: apparently copy-paste of a copyrighted program written by someone else
< 1726412963 813172 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
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< 1726413530 432545 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im bored and i want to make a esolang. any ideas?
> 1726413548 332135 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PrySigneToFry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139460&oldid=139459 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (-44) 10Fixed Span Script
< 1726413566 987579 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( go through your pages so far and improve them )
< 1726413577 467108 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
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> 1726444100 541891 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BubbleLang/Examples14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139503 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+957) 10I might I need to re-create it, but I'll not to violate the rule.
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 print("So what does "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis" meaning?") 
 In this case, the results we hope to get is S
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< 1726581128 519663 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: wut?
< 1726581158 458964 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a thought bubble :-P
< 1726581173 716821 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :??im so confused??
< 1726581197 597944 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, you asked for thoughts.
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< 1726582706 380509 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey can i do some stuff
< 1726582712 166998 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on underload page
< 1726582718 31503 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#A_two-command_basis_for_a_pure_concatenative_language
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< 1726582764 798108 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :by using (:)^
< 1726582818 942178 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also
< 1726582824 504739 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how would you do ()?
< 1726582953 294430 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it goes back to the earlier reduced Underload with :()^
< 1726582964 513444 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1726582971 694019 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but where is the () in it
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< 1726583054 946913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You get () in pairs from `a`.
< 1726583088 362023 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So you can construct any program that has :, ^, and balanced parentheses as a string. And you can execute that using ^
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< 1726583109 411939 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry if im being stupid but im so confused rn
< 1726583111 149186 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's why (:) and (^) are on that list but not :.
< 1726583122 534660 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
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< 1726583357 615576 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm... actually, how do you get ()... you'd need an empty string for that.
< 1726583369 21051 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1726583405 339648 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what if the stack just had that on the top?
< 1726583522 38805 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose you could modify M to have an additional () case.
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< 1726583583 766222 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or maybe there's a reason why () isn't needed but the preceding section uses () quite a bit.
< 1726583753 866725 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmmm
< 1726585127 796424 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's probably fine though... (~~) can be used instead of () for the most part; the only caveat is that we need to add two dummy elements to the stack at the start.
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< 1726593157 66151 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Digitalmars's D and golang are compiled languages that both have key-value mappings as built-in types. 
< 1726593244 364321 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :When I was young, my master source for phone numbers I know was my dead-tree pocket calendar. These had dedicated empty pages for phone numbers and similar useful notes, often even marked with starting letters. In English you'd call a dead-tree notebook in such a role a "telephone register".
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< 1726593636 910536 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :C++ has deprecated and later removed the old "register" keyword, which used to be a storage class specifier in old C, but turns out to be no longer useful. I think at some point they considered to use it for C++ modules, but it doesn't seem like that's happening.
< 1726593645 464199 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: draw your own conculsion
< 1726593645 867504 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: fnord damaged by attempts to move it. ( btw i was talking about rscheme there.
< 1726593888 183444 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: With regards to lambda calculus, what is a De Bruijn index?
> 1726593898 349428 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: A De Bruijn index is a unique identifier for a variable in a lambda calculus expression. It's essentially a way to represent a variable's position within a function's arguments. Think of it like a label for each variable, allowing you to track its usage and position within a complex expression.
< 1726594011 653327 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: What's the difference between the DeBruijn programming language and De Bruijn indexing?
> 1726594089 322209 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: DeBruijn is the programming language, while De Bruijn indexing is a way to represent data in the language. DeBruijn indexing uses a system of "De Bruijn indices" to represent data. These indices are numbers from 0 to 9, and they are used to represent data in a way that is similar to how we use numbers in mathematics. DeBruijn is a functional...
> 1726594089 326825 PRIVMSG #esolangs :programming language that uses De Bruijn indices to represent data.
< 1726594162 440661 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not too bad. It sounds like it's using slightly older versions of pages; maybe the RAG database is a copy of the live database?
< 1726594207 152785 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1726594224 51136 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: you can create, e.g., ((a)!) if you need an empty string
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< 1726594702 259656 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :i didn't know there's a DeBruijn programming language. I only know the one called bruijn  ( https://bruijn.marvinborner.de/ )
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< 1726595021 436485 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: De Bruijn index is a way to identify a variable in lambda calculus with its depth in the stack from the stack top, so the same binding will have different De Bruijn indexes in different places depending on how many lambdas deep below that you are. 
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< 1726595098 65338 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: see https://esolangs.org?curid=8360 for the most well-known language that uses De Bruijn indexes to identify its variables
< 1726595131 19313 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :isn
< 1726595141 700981 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :isn't BLC a better known language?
< 1726595376 139694 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bacon lettude calculus? it might be.
< 1726595389 957923 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lettuce
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< 1726597283 605816 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: there's no !
< 1726597305 951299 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut
< 1726597358 888568 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: That particular construction targets the :^() fragment. But it uses ~ as an auxiliary operation so that's also available.
< 1726597361 236381 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Oh, sweet, thanks for pointing this out. I missed it last night.
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< 1726597405 554424 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tromp: Yeah, I've found like half a dozen small languages that are merely syntax over LC, including a couple that are just BLC with decoration.
< 1726597408 534791 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :( :^()  is happier than :()^ )
< 1726597514 418270 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Actually I don't know what you're saying.
< 1726597565 416290 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Sorry. Okay, yes that's a program fragment that is effectively a no-op.
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< 1726597624 818715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: So yeah you're right, that works.
< 1726597814 915748 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Sorry. No, it doesn't work because we're building a program as a string and the only symbols we have available as strings in the M^ derivative are :()^~ ...I lost track of the goal.
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< 1726598380 394098 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can just similarly make another unlambda combinator similar to M but that provides more builtins, including ordinary and parenthisized and versions of all commands, so that you can assemble any string using that combinator and application, right?
< 1726598429 126002 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah you could modify M so that it produces () as an extra case
< 1726598484 346097 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: if you look at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#A_two-command_basis_for_a_pure_concatenative_language you'll see that this is the underlying idea
< 1726598540 907082 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :M = (~)[any list of primitives](!...!)
< 1726598566 525350 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :with just enough ! that M^ acts as !
< 1726598571 520481 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't mean () but rather make it produce each of (^), (:), (!), (~), (*), (a), (S), and then you can combine those using * and a to get any string
< 1726598667 645300 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't understand how that's different from what it does except that it doesn't have *all* those primitives but strives to have a minimal set of them instead.
< 1726598712 428082 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, that's the difference that I mean
< 1726598724 726357 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Oh, by the way, if you have any ideas for [[De Bruijn indexing]], feel free to improve it. It's an infamously difficult topic and I know my wording is pretty bad.
< 1726598741 660125 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm here to write legally distinct public-domain text that isn't plagiarized, not to write good text.
< 1726598749 606487 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this way you don't have to compile to an inefficient :()^ underload program, but can compile to any normal sane underload program
< 1726598768 25999 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Adding () would give you ()a as a way to construct (()). Which is the thing that's missing compared to the :()^ fragment.
< 1726598799 871850 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, you can add that too
< 1726598804 905164 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah I don't care about efficiency.
< 1726598829 367510 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :In this context.
< 1726599005 109319 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, you actually already have (^), (:), (~), (a), (*) easily constructable from the M on the wiki page, so only (!) is missing, and I think you can extract the (!!!!!!) and then construct ((~)(~)(~)(~)(~)!!!!!!) from that and that's basically a (!)
< 1726599020 121864 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I think the original M is already complete except for the S builtin
< 1726599303 198438 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Oh. Yes, that'll work.
> 1726599806 80587 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Underload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139644&oldid=139633 5* 03Int-e 5* (-48) 10/* A two-command basis for a pure concatenative language */ document idea by [User:b_jonas]
> 1726600200 490920 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Underload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139645&oldid=139644 5* 03Int-e 5* (+149) 10/* A two-command basis for a pure concatenative language */ continuing idea by [User:b_jonas]
< 1726600258 758627 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Hmm, what's the timeout for users that don't want to be remembered when logging in? I'm not sure if that's what I'm running into, but if I am, it's rather short.
< 1726600266 22400 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1726600300 945908 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I think that just means until your browser exits. cookies have such a flag. 
< 1726600312 992347 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the timeout shouldn't differ.
< 1726600314 737705 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well I lost three edits to something and had to do them over.
< 1726600339 246727 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :With cookies, without javascript, and without checking the "remember me" box.
< 1726600398 606894 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh great another detail I lost. One more edit...
> 1726600427 690756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Underload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139646&oldid=139645 5* 03Int-e 5* (-14) 10/* A two-command basis for a pure concatenative language */ (~) is not used anymore
< 1726600458 326696 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Anyway, great idea, thanks!
< 1726600493 678551 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :obvious in retrospect... but that's often how it goes.
< 1726601097 623515 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: at least in Firefox, the back button will reclaim your partially written edit – are other browsers worse in that respect?
< 1726601193 3747 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: did you miss that the construction can also create (a) and (*) (the same way as creating a and *, but without the ^ at the end)?
< 1726601211 283888 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you get the :~!()a*^ fragment, which is the entire language except for I/O
< 1726601238 302526 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't exactly miss that, no.
< 1726601274 284491 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you could make I/O work by putting the entire ASCII table inside M, but that would be a bit inelegant (the way Underload strings can be treated as either strings or functions is already a bit inelegant, except for writing quines)
< 1726601326 345496 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it appears that ! is more valuable than a and * though.
< 1726601409 179988 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Also Firefox lost that particular edit, presumably because I wasn't considered "logged in" when I went back, so it gave me "view page" instead of "edit page".
< 1726601439 517785 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, that might explain it
> 1726603000 996739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CPL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139647&oldid=91571 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10
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> 1726603705 688986 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DetailedFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139651&oldid=131467 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* Interpreter */
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> 1726604384 78196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139655&oldid=139588 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+308) 10/* What? */
> 1726604721 728994 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02An esolang inspired by a mobile game engine by the name of Castle10]] to [[Dish]]
> 1726604721 757144 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02Talk:An esolang inspired by a mobile game engine by the name of Castle10]] to [[Talk:Dish]]
> 1726604828 20908 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139660&oldid=139656 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1749) 10Replaced content with "{{Stub}} '''Dish''' (or '''D'''ead f'''ISH''') is a [[deadfish]] inspired esolang created by [[User:Ractangle]]"
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> 1726605515 158273 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139663&oldid=139662 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+107) 10/* Syntax */
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> 1726606279 773101 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139669&oldid=139668 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+73) 10/* Syntax */
> 1726606400 625729 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139670&oldid=139669 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+55) 10/* Syntax */
> 1726606548 664529 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139671&oldid=139670 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+35) 10/* Examples */
> 1726606808 665087 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139672&oldid=139671 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+40) 10/* The powers of two */
< 1726606830 155643 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I believe there's some sort of weirdness around the state storage that I've never really figured out.
< 1726606881 502624 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Specifically, the configuration I inherited sets $wgMainCacheType = CACHE_ACCEL, and we don't set $wgSessionCacheType. According to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSessionCacheType "[i]f $wgMainCacheType is set to CACHE_ACCEL and this is left at its default CACHE_ANYTHING, the cache used may not meet these requirements."
< 1726606956 29490 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So I think it's quite possible there's a certain degree of luck involved in whether you stay logged in or not, depending on the whims of the web server, PHP, and other things of that nature.
< 1726607066 538327 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Potentially I should set $wgSessionCacheType to CACHE_DB to use the database for persistent session storage, though I don't know if that has some performance implications.
< 1726607091 205925 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Because I've definitely been unexpectedly logged out from the wiki as well.)
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< 1726607380 980130 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :How to make in C, that the end of a structure must be aligned (in the definition of the structure)?
> 1726607683 88669 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139674&oldid=139673 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+121) 10/* Syntax */
> 1726607757 887895 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139675&oldid=139674 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+5) 10/* Syntax */
< 1726607839 529496 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: just the end, or both the start and end?
< 1726607885 335881 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :normally you get both the start and end to be aligned, since that's what the C compiler directly supports, and that way the structure works aligned in an array; I don't think you can make a partial structure that has alignment but doesn't fill out whole aligned blocks
< 1726607888 170131 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would think that the start would already be aligned if necessary
> 1726607922 981290 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139676&oldid=139675 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+117) 10/* Syntax */
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> 1726607987 244601 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139678&oldid=139677 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+14) 10/* Syntax */
< 1726608006 914053 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do not mean in an array, though; I mean that if you put something at the address of the end of the structure, that it will be aligned regardless of what you put there (e.g. using malloc and memcpy, or something else like that)
< 1726608212 419192 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: in any case, in modern C you `#include ` then put `alignas(32)` before the first data member in the struct type definition, replace 32 with the number of bytes that you want to align to. this makes that particular member aligned to at least 32 bytes, and as a consequence it also makes the start and end of the struct aligned to 32 bytes, with extra padding in the struct if necessary
< 1726608270 744098 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in earlier C you can sometimes use a compiler-specific attribute that works similar to alignas, or use a union with a built-in or library type that has the necessary alignment
< 1726608275 544158 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I want the same alignment as malloc.
< 1726608299 995986 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also `alignas (max_align_t)`, which I imagine should match `malloc`.
< 1726608343 335403 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK
< 1726608403 74017 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know if I have that on my computer though
< 1726608474 894440 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :References: `malloc` returns memory that is "suitably aligned so that it may be assigned to a pointer to any type of object with a fundamental alignment requirement" (C11 7.22.3p1); a /fundamental alignment requirement/ is "an alignment less than or equal to the greatest alignment supported by the implementation in all contexts, which is equal to `_Alignof (max_align_t)`" (C11 6.2.8p2).
< 1726608485 729847 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: for max_align_t you need to `#include ` and (either use `-std=c11` or some similar compiler option, or define the correct feature request macro before you include anything)
< 1726608600 434586 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, I will try
< 1726608614 761358 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you probably just want `-std=c11` or some higher compiler option, since you want the alignas keyword too, rather than the compiler-specific stuff, unless you're editing the rare old C source that you can't easily port to be C11-compatible (eg. because it calls prototype-less functions or declares functions without return type) 
< 1726608895 328408 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also had some ideas of a variant of C programming language. I might be able to add extra steps before and after the preprocessor, but some things I would want to not have to do separately than the parser because I might want to e.g. handle custom members in structures, and to substitute when the C preprocessor reads files as input, etc. Can this be done without rewriting the entire compiler?
< 1726609403 945839 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Some such features can include: scoped macros, aliased definitions, custom definitions in structures, TRON strongs, etc)
< 1726609453 687694 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1726609516 715046 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: on extra steps before and after the preprocessor, see https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-09.html#lnrb
> 1726609544 617375 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139679&oldid=128498 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+1387) 10test
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< 1726609616 979102 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically you can ask the compiler to do the preprocessing and the rest of the compilation separately. you should just usually make sure to pass mostly the same options to the preprocessing, compiling, and linking steps, unless you have a good reason to make the flags differ, because some options can influence all three steps, eg. define some predefined macros which can influence libraries to detect them
< 1726609777 257410 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in particular, both the preprocessor and compiler needs to know whether you're compiling C or C++, the language version of C or C++, the target CPU and even instruction set extensions, target operating system, whether threading is enabled, etc
< 1726609794 844028 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know I can do that, but some things might be difficult to implement in this way, such as to modify the included files that are read by the preprocessor
< 1726609873 251216 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, that's harder
< 1726609935 472762 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had considered using -wrapper and -no-integrated-cpp to make all of the switches correct when wanting to add extra steps, although that only handles that part of it.
< 1726609957 444485 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's at least an option to make the preprocessor show which files it's included, with full path, that can be helpful
< 1726610068 674413 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The preprocessor will complain about unrecognized directives though, so that will need to be handled before the preprocessor reads the files, so then it might be necessary to handle #include separately
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< 1726613557 399330 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fi-nally. I completed A Monster's Expedition (using the built-in hints for the last two snowmen)
< 1726613646 158969 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I like those hints; they point to islands that you should focus on to make progress, which given the semi-open world nature of the game helps quite a bit.)
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> 1726619321 834006 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Reverser14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139685 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+468) 10Created page with "my own reversible language == commands ==  out: output  tuo: remove this from the output  inp: input  pni: undetermined so noop  loop N c E: loop the following  E c N pool: still loop  stop: stop  pots: start  start: start  trats: stop  inc: increment  cni: decrement 
< 1726622793 691176 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
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< 1726630520 458036 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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> 1726633906 81133 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Icebox14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139692 5* 03DifferentDance8 5* (+3525) 10My first esolang!
> 1726633974 482953 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Icebox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139693&oldid=139692 5* 03DifferentDance8 5* (-28) 10According to esolang standards, this isn't a joke language
> 1726634107 894725 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139694&oldid=139576 5* 03DifferentDance8 5* (+54) 10add IceBox
< 1726634329 826810 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : (Because I've definitely been unexpectedly logged out from the wiki as well.) ← I have a remember-me login cookie set, and have never been unexpectedly logged out, but I often get a "We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data" message, and need to resubmit the edit
< 1726634349 649338 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my guess is that it's the same problem, but different symptoms due to the different remember me setting
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> 1726635225 232414 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07C-414]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139695 5* 03DifferentDance8 5* (+1378) 10Created page with "'''C-4''' is a revolutionary programming language designed to bring self-destruction to a whole new level. Unlike traditional languages that merely execute code, C-4 goes a step further by ensuring that both itself and any program you attempt to run are promptly ann
> 1726635287 259118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139696&oldid=139631 5* 03DifferentDance8 5* (+148) 10
> 1726635426 913887 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:DifferentDance814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139697&oldid=139513 5* 03DifferentDance8 5* (+108) 10
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> 1726637485 615742 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Tweak14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139698 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+122) 10Created page with "how are commands changed??? [:~~~~:]"
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> 1726640931 997506 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Icebox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139699&oldid=139693 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* Example Programs */
> 1726640962 993681 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07C-414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139700&oldid=139695 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10/* Author's Note */
> 1726641066 15795 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Deadfish derivatives14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139701&oldid=116864 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10
> 1726641126 93835 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Deadfish derivatives14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139702&oldid=139701 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+41) 10
> 1726641245 778822 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Deadfish derivatives14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139703&oldid=139702 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+85) 10
> 1726641550 68320 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07E++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139704&oldid=82115 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10
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> 1726641856 344916 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Enterprise14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139705&oldid=79655 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* References */
> 1726642373 922713 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FIFOrth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139706&oldid=85666 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* What is FIFOrth */
> 1726642422 398448 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FIFTH14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139707&oldid=31178 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10
> 1726645164 922615 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ftack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139708&oldid=34507 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* Computational class */
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> 1726645627 342483 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category theory14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139709&oldid=104265 5* 03Simple9371 5* (+35) 10Generalize "sets" to "objects"
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> 1726646888 67919 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bubblegum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139710&oldid=139640 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+12) 10
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> 1726648173 854686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fuck-brain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139711&oldid=122183 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* Python */
> 1726648559 895425 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FunctionsFTW14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139712&oldid=114083 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-5) 10/* Implementation */
> 1726649245 446600 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07@!+-()14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139713&oldid=138282 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+54) 10
> 1726649271 548253 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03PkmnQ 5*  10moved [[02@!+-() Turing-completness Proof10]] to [[@!+-() Turing-completeness Proof]]: Misspelled title
> 1726649356 731988 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A programming language is a system of notation for writing computer programs.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139716&oldid=131460 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+226) 10
> 1726649368 847047 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A programming language is a system of notation for writing computer programs.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139717&oldid=139716 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+4) 10/* See also */
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> 1726653400 139849 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139719&oldid=117844 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* See Also */
> 1726653568 597710 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:2KWLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139720&oldid=139641 5* 03None1 5* (+618) 10/* Comparison operators */
> 1726653654 733015 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:2KWLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139721&oldid=139720 5* 03None1 5* (+138) 10/* Comparison operators */
> 1726653750 356944 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Gift14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139722&oldid=139591 5* 03None1 5* (-2) 10
> 1726653792 124426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139723&oldid=131692 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+46) 10
> 1726653825 488156 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139724&oldid=139723 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1) 10/* Implementations */
> 1726653867 143963 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gift14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139725&oldid=139484 5* 03None1 5* (+47) 10/* Examples */
> 1726654350 486944 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gift14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139726&oldid=139725 5* 03None1 5* (+419) 10/* Examples */
> 1726654367 95011 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gift14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139727&oldid=139726 5* 03None1 5* (+1) 10
> 1726654374 683963 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[078ial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139728&oldid=139572 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1) 10/* Syntax */
> 1726654406 323028 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[078ial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139729&oldid=139728 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+4) 10/* Truth-machine */
> 1726654427 225933 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139730&oldid=139573 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+5) 10/* 8ial */
> 1726655010 180016 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HQ9+2D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139731&oldid=91569 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* Interpreters */
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> 1726655423 176835 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Huby14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139732&oldid=90263 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* External resources */
> 1726655767 427965 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07I hate your bf-derivative really I do14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139733&oldid=69678 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* Hello, World! */
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< 1726656166 902156 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in VBS, &HF000 is a 16-bit integer literal with negative value, so if x is a 32-bit integer then (&HF000 And x) won't just extract four bits of x, it will extract the top 20 bits, because &HF000 widens to &HFFFFF000&. I have to write (&HF000& And x) instead to extract just four bits. I knew this in theory but it's such an easy mistake to make, and
< 1726656167 402211 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wasted an hour trying to debug it yesterday, gave up, then spent an hour today to finally find the bug.
< 1726656226 851079 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so just in case you want to know why in C, 0x7FFFFFFF has type int but 0x80000000 has type unsigned int, now you know, it's to avoid this exact stupid bug
< 1726656510 603896 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :mind you, you can still make this mistake in C: (0xF<<24 & x) is fine but (0xF<<28 & x) will extract the top 36 bits because 0xF<<28 is a signed int with negative value
> 1726656656 852811 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interdemento14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139734&oldid=59448 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* Basics */
> 1726656691 617417 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interfrac14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139735&oldid=96976 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* See also */
> 1726656921 218077 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139736&oldid=106518 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* See also */
> 1726656953 316668 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IsThatAMotherFrickingSpecificAnimeReferenceLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139737&oldid=79200 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* External resources */
> 1726657062 912282 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Javascular14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139738&oldid=82415 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* 5 is greater than 2 */
> 1726657157 186865 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Keys14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139739&oldid=75849 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* Implementations */
> 1726657185 238615 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:King Ethan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139740&oldid=91220 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* Interpreter */
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> 1726659593 767514 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Befunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139742&oldid=137780 5* 03None1 5* (+2) 10/* Etymology */  According to the formal pronounciation, using syllables instead of IPA, the e should pronounce a long vowel /i/
> 1726660190 756191 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07L.H.O.O.Q.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139743&oldid=59344 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10/* External resources */
> 1726660202 832010 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07L.H.O.O.Q.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139744&oldid=139743 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10/* External resources */
> 1726660260 446682 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LAIDBACK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139745&oldid=31180 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10
< 1726660399 604344 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`(0xF<<28 & x)` also triggers UBSan warning, since it's technically undefined.
< 1726660401 791359 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​(0xF<<28? No such file or directory
< 1726660405 128097 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :("runtime error: left shift of 15 by 28 places cannot be represented in type 'int'")
< 1726660413 629307 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I forgot about ` being a prefix. :/
< 1726660513 744016 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Here's a funny semi-obscure C89-to-C99 difference:
< 1726660517 828606 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :22:00  ,cc -w -m32 -std=c89 printf("%d", 2147483648 > -1 ? 1 : 1000000);
< 1726660519 777502 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :22:00  fizzie: 1000000
< 1726660521 778902 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :22:00  ,cc -w -m32 -std=c99 printf("%d", 2147483648 > -1 ? 1 : 1000000);
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< 1726660615 477678 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In C89, an unsuffixed decimal constant had the first type that can represent the value out of `int`, `long`, `unsigned long`; in C99 that was changed to `int`, `long`, `long long`, dropping the unsigned option.
> 1726660701 717621 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Len(language,encoding)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139746&oldid=40884 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* Example Hello World program */
< 1726660742 672111 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's also maybe a little bit of a gotcha that changing a constant from decimal to octal/hexadecimal can change its type.
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> 1726661306 289763 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Len(language,encoding)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139747&oldid=139746 5* 03None1 5* (+51) 10/* Example Hello World program */
> 1726661324 332714 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OCPL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139748&oldid=122074 5* 03None1 5* (+55) 10/* See also */
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> 1726663849 237354 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GolfText14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139750 5* 03None1 5* (+4339) 10Created page with "{{lang|a=User:None1|f=an esolang designed to output repetitive text using shorter code.}}  ==Syntax== It is just [[text]], but LZMA compressed! ==Examples== ===[[99 bottles of beer]]=== 
 FD 37 7A 58 5A 00 00 04 E6 D6 B4 46 02 00 21 01 16 00 00 00 74
> 1726663966 714841 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Licorne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139751&oldid=45096 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* Hello world */
> 1726664196 70545 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LOLScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139752&oldid=36360 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10/* Examples */
> 1726664335 793047 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Magritte14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139753&oldid=93975 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* External resources */
> 1726664723 807372 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Error quine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139754 5* 03None1 5* (+1636) 10Created page with "An '''error quine''' is a type of [[quine]] where the source code is printed as an error. ==How to write an error quine== Writing an error quine is much easier than writing a quine, you follow these steps: # Smash random keys on your keyboard. # Feed the error to the 
> 1726664747 327238 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139755&oldid=112375 5* 03None1 5* (+18) 10/* See also */
> 1726664768 767963 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139756&oldid=139619 5* 03None1 5* (+18) 10/* My Articles */
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> 1726667880 818709 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GolfText14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139759&oldid=139750 5* 03None1 5* (+1) 10/* NOP */ percent not bytes
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> 1726668144 384406 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Never Gonna Give You Up14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139762&oldid=138113 5* 03None1 5* (+50) 10
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> 1726668654 58152 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Titanium14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139763 5* 03Alx 5* (+22174) 10Created page with "
Instruction Set Architecture
 This page is unfinished!!!  W32 Titanium (formerly serialized as ua-w32-titanium#nf) is a 32-bit architecture written by [[User:Alx]] with native support for data width up to 128 bits, initially written as an extension to
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> 1726668690 624770 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Titanium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139765&oldid=139763 5* 03Alx 5* (+37502) 10
> 1726668712 924319 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Never gonna give you up14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=139766 5* 03None1 5* (+37) 10Redirected page to [[Never Gonna Give You Up]]
> 1726668722 822845 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Titanium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139767&oldid=139765 5* 03Alx 5* (+27566) 10
> 1726668754 180042 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Titanium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=139768&oldid=139767 5* 03Alx 5* (+37279) 10
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< 1726673829 226922 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this doesn't seem to compute anything
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< 1726673891 843981 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why should it do computation?
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< 1726679373 778504 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*should not
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< 1726682405 125606 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :How would you, say, add 1 and 2 in that language?
< 1726682432 603733 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk. but i could ask the same thing about idk conways game of life
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< 1726682551 122243 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but even then
< 1726682561 811976 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :even a infinite loop is computation
< 1726682570 133858 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but how much computation can it do?
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< 1726682667 361747 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :People much more clever than me have figured out how to do addition and various other fun stuff in Game of Life.
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< 1726682685 266149 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what im trying to say is
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< 1726682708 127860 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also nobody can say: "oh yea how could THIS do computation????"
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< 1726682771 307040 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe it's possible, yeah. That's why I'm asking. :-)
< 1726682783 160719 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol:]
< 1726682788 625154 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yea
< 1726682800 203316 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a person i asked said it prop was
< 1726682806 499520 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :Seems to me that you'd need to figure out how to compute things in it before being able to say anything about the computational class.
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< 1726682840 923827 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have made a looping counter already
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< 1726682897 377030 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :===
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< 1726682898 377473 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs : õ
< 1726682914 297932 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :coutning number of spaces
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< 1726683043 330104 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :Trying to understand the rules. So the turtle moves to the right. Then there's a bug under it, and it has spaces on both sides. So shouldn't the turtle eat the bug and the program terminate?
< 1726683051 304283 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no down
< 1726683053 55305 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...?
< 1726683056 35815 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :> if there are space to the both left and right AND the below space is a space it will move down into it
< 1726683057 833562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:103: error:
< 1726683057 936466 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :     parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
< 1726683073 309896 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1726683075 964841 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bug
< 1726683082 930509 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the way the bug moves
< 1726683093 955681 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm
< 1726683108 474863 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the bug is defenitly needed
< 1726683115 582376 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :So what does the situation look like after one move?
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< 1726683123 390862 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in what
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