< 1729728542 241058 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1729728640 268927 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144100&oldid=143561 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+2) 10/* commands */ > 1729728707 406818 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144101&oldid=144100 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+8) 10/* commands */ > 1729732740 171077 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ORK/Mihai Again1614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144102&oldid=144099 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+24) 10 > 1729735056 912675 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Empty14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144103&oldid=143790 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+205) 10 > 1729735081 657032 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Empty14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144104&oldid=144103 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+24) 10 > 1729735111 622324 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Empty14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144105&oldid=144104 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-2) 10 > 1729735134 463876 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Empty14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144106&oldid=144105 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+1) 10/* Cool extenstion */ > 1729735144 409314 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Empty14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144107&oldid=144106 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-2) 10/* Cool extenstion */ < 1729735810 411752 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1729735885 322788 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ABPLWNL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144108&oldid=132155 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+38) 10 > 1729735894 187349 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ABPLWNL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144109&oldid=144108 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+2) 10 > 1729736043 479956 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144110&oldid=144024 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+536) 10 > 1729736068 943664 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144111&oldid=144110 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+66) 10 > 1729736081 938904 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144112&oldid=144111 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+2) 10 > 1729737202 270576 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cammy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144113&oldid=144092 5* 03Corbin 5* (+150) 10/* 2024 Primitives */ "Weak" is such a weird way to say "associative". > 1729738130 742649 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ORK/Mihai Again1614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144114&oldid=144102 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+33) 10 > 1729739183 599260 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/Syntagma14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144115&oldid=136265 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+161) 10add spoiler text, in case i forget what this is supposed to be > 1729739994 986258 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/Syntagma14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144116&oldid=144115 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+28) 10/* Syntax */ strikeout < 1729742646 319611 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1729743174 929481 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1729743783 307514 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cammy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144117&oldid=144113 5* 03Corbin 5* (+226) 10/* 2024 Primitives */ Gotta scope row sizes, but it works. < 1729744359 319599 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1729744695 665207 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1729745437 226991 :wryl!sid553797@user/meow/Wryl PRIVMSG #esolangs :Someone in this channel, eons ago, in like 2018, worked with me on some weird string rewriting stuff. < 1729745452 500195 :wryl!sid553797@user/meow/Wryl PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you're there, anywhere, and recognize the name imode, please DM me. < 1729745457 906311 :wryl!sid553797@user/meow/Wryl PRIVMSG #esolangs :I want to thank you. < 1729746335 48980 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1729746434 865202 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I'm trying to make use of the Ruby code in chainlance, the bit in hill.rb that tries to get the date from git.. I can't see how git() returns STDOUT, has ruby changed since this code was created, or are there bugs that have been fixed elsewhere? < 1729747808 44001 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1729751613 21971 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144118&oldid=144112 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-604) 10You forgot to tidy up < 1729751694 833643 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1729753572 424472 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144119&oldid=143324 5* 03B jonas 5* (+156) 10/* External resources */ < 1729754551 960951 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1729755633 435541 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1729755693 503312 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1729756611 892051 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07STRTRAN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144120&oldid=144012 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (-154) 10 > 1729756638 653043 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07STRTRAN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144121&oldid=144120 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (-10) 10/* Templates */ > 1729756655 294954 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07STRTRAN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144122&oldid=144121 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (-8) 10/* Comparisons */ < 1729757352 522192 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1729757497 283606 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1729757807 325413 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 JOIN #esolangs salpynx :realname < 1729758261 512093 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I think my ruby env is off, i have ruby 3.0 (so i'm probably off by +/- 0.3 in either direction), and gems: nmatrix (0.2.4), ruby_protobuf (0.4.11). hill.rb is all i want to run, not the web or bot stuff. It looks like a good framework to add a through-time analysis by traversing git commits < 1729758909 78584 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1729759102 225050 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1729759780 921232 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1729759904 146010 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1729761788 509918 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1729762391 771105 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144123&oldid=144119 5* 03B jonas 5* (+28) 10/* External resources */ < 1729763700 951023 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1729764815 712596 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1729764899 322374 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1729764979 217472 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1729766289 151552 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1729767436 101168 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1729767797 109964 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1729768149 909660 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1729769263 858266 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1729769395 639053 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1729770200 320290 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1729770577 962199 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname > 1729772044 790529 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hostile snakes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144124&oldid=143934 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+51) 10/* how it works */ < 1729772136 320867 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1729772600 917553 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1729772914 263740 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: I just flat-out couldn't get nmatrix to work again on Ruby 3 (3.1.2p20, Debian stable), so I switched it for numo/narray, and had to make some other Ruby 3 changes as well. Though I don't remember doing anything to hill.rb. But the running code also seems diverged quite a lot from what I've got in the git repo, so something is off there. < 1729773051 887914 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1729773067 510484 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Also gearlanced no longer uses protos, so the require 'protobuf' is probably obsolete.) > 1729773310 338583 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hostile snakes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144125&oldid=144124 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+82) 10/* how it works */ < 1729773371 612705 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, and the code that's actually running live has a gear.rb that uses the old, line-based text protocol, so it must predate both adding *and* removing protobuf use. < 1729773403 856386 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1729773780 312832 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also the live version of hill.rb does not have the `dates` array at all, and I don't see what it would be used for. < 1729773822 757986 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Probably meant for some feature that never happened. < 1729773855 286568 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll just commit all these random changes and push to the repo, but I'm afraid it's all a bit of a mess. < 1729774595 569744 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: Okay, github head is now *almost* what's running live, except for the ancient hill.rb / gearlanced binary combo. It might work better, but it now no longer knows about the last-modified date, you'll have to add that back in if you need it. < 1729774674 484519 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know how the original would ever have worked, in the git_HEAD method I'm using backticks to get the stdout, it seems like that should've been necessary for getting the date as well. < 1729776240 657158 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1729776835 212554 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen > 1729776858 446076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gift14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144126&oldid=141100 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+157) 10 < 1729777195 105969 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Quit: Sprechen Sie noch? Wird noch gesprochen? Ich trenne. < 1729777217 190942 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen < 1729777843 528549 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1729778587 158879 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1729779576 225530 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen > 1729779611 550175 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PIX/Interpreter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144127&oldid=140017 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+43) 10 < 1729780179 51271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1729781242 290627 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* 10moved [[02User:ZCX islptng/Sandbox10]] to [[StackBBQ]]: Finally named this esolang ahhh > 1729781289 719731 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ZCX islptng/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144130&oldid=144129 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (-11) 10removed the rule bcuz i finally named it > 1729781337 451264 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ZCX islptng14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144131&oldid=143013 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (-35) 10guys i finally named it and moved > 1729781484 678476 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackBBQ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144132&oldid=144128 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (-97) 10removed things be4 the esolang is named > 1729781534 876525 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackBBQ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144133&oldid=144132 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+4) 10forgot my username is with ZCX before islptng XD > 1729781586 860026 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackBBQ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144134&oldid=144133 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (-1) 10wait why "quite buggy python one" is in the code box ? > 1729781662 979546 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144135&oldid=144066 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+15) 10/* S */ < 1729781968 707068 :nitrix-or-treats!~nitrix@user/meow/nitrix NICK :nitrix < 1729782772 172494 :molson__!~molson@2001-48F8-704A-446-BDEB-E5C6-16E8-4779-dynamic.midco.net JOIN #esolangs molson :realname < 1729782943 860715 :molson_!~molson@2001-48F8-704A-446-7154-3A28-5694-2C5A-dynamic.midco.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1729783092 569800 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname > 1729785137 582641 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Action symbol14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144136 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+572) 10Created page with "'''Action symbol''' is a simple [[Matrioshka language]] based on the danish word for {{cd|"}}. it was created by [[User:Yayimhere]]. == how it works == the program has two types of syntax: ''x''[''y''](''z'') will create and operator x with input y, that will re < 1729785222 319476 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1729785229 472825 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there a chance that this is TC: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Action_symbol > 1729785411 807656 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Action symbol14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144137&oldid=144136 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+28) 10/* how it works */ < 1729785939 332325 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fbd:8001:cdfe:bcf3:310a:3efc JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1729787103 42180 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1729787723 486591 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144138&oldid=143086 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+175) 10/* Derivatives */ < 1729787845 872796 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1729788243 318925 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fbd:8001:cdfe:bcf3:310a:3efc QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1729789041 143639 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1729789445 671203 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: In general, you don't provide enough information on your articles for folks to figure that out. < 1729789477 584111 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Whereas if you share e.g. a page of Python code, we *can* usually figure out whether that code has universal behaviors. < 1729789532 90912 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1729789690 119681 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k < 1729789698 852470 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this one will be easy i think < 1729789814 185875 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1729790038 668130 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1729790104 927975 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1729790255 318956 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1729790256 906127 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do note im very bad at interpreters < 1729790963 319330 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1729791771 703652 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1729792953 318856 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1729793250 337897 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1729793318 569225 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: It's okay. I'm not expecting you to have all the answers. I'm trying to help you bridge the gap between the artistic part of language construction and the fact that computers are symbol-crunchers. < 1729793328 818858 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1729793329 536606 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That is, between the artlang in conlang, and the loglang in proglang. < 1729793330 595573 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thcx < 1729793336 35881 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*thx < 1729793350 637498 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well its mostly the syntax < 1729793353 679558 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like < 1729793359 857318 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how to get the input ect ect < 1729793382 581930 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but < 1729793389 970360 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the function itself is easy < 1729793399 447600 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1729793399 722385 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. I think that artlang folks often imagine *semantics* too, thinking that an expression *does* something or it *means* something. < 1729793415 334531 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :One of the difficulties in proglang is that there aren't any semantics. There's only syntax. < 1729793428 521788 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1729793452 521660 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now, you're currently using a *robot*, which isn't just a computer but also has I/O and connections to the world and a sense of spacetime, and those real-world *effects* can be treated as semantics. < 1729793464 335139 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But if you ask a question like "is this TC" then you're asking about syntax. < 1729793468 836967 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1729793527 934722 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know, yeah, lol. lmao even! But also, ChatGPT is 100% syntax. Python is 100% syntax. All the tools on your computer are syntactic except for, like, the CD burner app. < 1729793542 156595 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1729793584 616676 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thanks fizzie! I had worked round the date thing by using backticks too, and had a trad scoring hill running. Markov used the nmatrix stuff, and i couldn't see a quick way to fix, other than rewrite, but i could see it working live. I'll check out the new changes, i think they'll get me running! ty < 1729793701 84812 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I looked at hostile snakes yesterday, it looks like a potentially fun simulation thing. I thought about how i'd create a Python interpreter (🐍 for pointers!), ... and have some questions.. < 1729793725 196854 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so? < 1729793727 335902 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what are they < 1729793748 182549 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thinking about an interpreter will force you to address the details of a language, i don't really understand "somewhere between it will move up and move the ladder to the right" without an example < 1729793805 678458 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does the snake move up the ladder cell by cell, or move instantaneouly end to end, can ladder cross (i think so, but the snake can't change ladder?) < 1729793823 649893 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :snakes canty change ladders yes they can cross < 1729793860 25969 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"somewhere between it will move up and move the ladder to the right" without an example -> if its like not on one of the ends of the ladders it will just move to the top and push the ladder to the left < 1729793884 800834 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also < 1729793903 578560 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sideways ladder basically work but rotated 90 degrees clockwise < 1729793908 778751 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how does a snake get between on a ladder? so does the example ladder move right (specs say right) 5 cells? < 1729793954 803211 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :clockwise isn't on the page, and that helps to translate right to down < 1729793963 784167 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true < 1729793970 317883 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :il lfix it once doen < 1729793988 726584 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how it gets to ladders. teleport but only on current row < 1729794004 352195 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if theres only 15 cells to a ladder < 1729794049 54854 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yeah, it says 'radius' but I was wondering how serious or how cell roundign woudl work in practice. An interpreter would answer all those qns < 1729794060 30490 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1729794068 192690 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bye < 1729794085 925918 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1729794174 974480 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, bye (i was trying to be encouraging.. .maybe I need to work on that...) < 1729794233 960475 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1729794378 97066 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1729794998 368015 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1729795748 248784 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Bogdan192848 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Scratchcodeforists.png.png10]]" > 1729796119 480382 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ifsetthenset14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144140 5* 03Bogdan192848 5* (+1256) 10Probally one of the most anoying esolang invented < 1729796145 767073 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1729796352 267541 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I know they put it as an unusable joke, but Ifsetthenset looks fairly flexible for an OISC. Not sure about the ergonomics of looping. > 1729796376 354464 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ifsetthenset14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144141&oldid=144140 5* 03Bogdan192848 5* (+2) 10 < 1729796402 519526 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: If you read logs: you're fine. It takes a village to teach a student, and you're not the first one of us to encourage them to learn to code. < 1729796754 451698 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1729797572 805185 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1729798336 298014 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cammy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144142&oldid=144117 5* 03Corbin 5* (+58) 10/* 2024 Primitives */ Okay, that's all three families done. (Or is it?) < 1729798485 299594 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1729799397 105167 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1729800097 353700 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1729800317 723322 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07STRTRAN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144143&oldid=144122 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (+79) 10 > 1729800791 336798 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07STRTRAN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144144&oldid=144143 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (+347) 10 > 1729800908 913035 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07STRTRAN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144145&oldid=144144 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (-1) 10/* IO */ > 1729800974 250944 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07STRTRAN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144146&oldid=144145 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (+14) 10/* Comparisons */ > 1729801129 158471 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07STRTRAN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144147&oldid=144146 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (+176) 10 > 1729801176 555373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07STRTRAN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144148&oldid=144147 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (-61) 10/* Computing class */ > 1729801193 884386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:STRTRAN14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144149 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (+2) 10Created page with "hi" < 1729802375 766627 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1729802447 891003 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144150&oldid=144073 5* 03Ais523 5* (-637) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/144071|144071]] by [[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|PrySigneToFry]] ([[User talk:PrySigneToFry|talk]]) insulting people is not a constructive use of talk pages > 1729802664 187765 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Action symbol14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144151&oldid=144137 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+51) 10Stub, categories > 1729802736 697080 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* 10moved [[02Ifsetthenset10]] to [[IfSetThenSet]]: Fix capitalisation > 1729802827 125683 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144154&oldid=144096 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+187) 10/* MarkupL add-ons */ > 1729802866 932719 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144155&oldid=144154 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+8) 10/* MarkupL add-ons */ > 1729802971 400432 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144156&oldid=144155 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+15) 10/* MarkupL syntax */ > 1729802989 148840 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IfSetThenSet14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144157&oldid=144152 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+85) 10Categories > 1729803156 942930 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144158&oldid=144156 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* MarkupL syntax */ > 1729803179 178738 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144159&oldid=144158 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1) 10/* Examples */ > 1729803314 102743 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144160&oldid=144159 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* MarkupL add-ons */ > 1729803415 585458 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackBBQ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144161&oldid=144134 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+135) 10Typo, categories < 1729803474 51431 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1729803626 870542 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144162&oldid=143937 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+15) 10 < 1729803677 31004 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wryl: I think the relevant log is , you might be able to remind yourself who you worked with from that < 1729803712 364057 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :most but not all of the people involved then are still here, at least in terms of idling > 1729804359 316906 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144163&oldid=144162 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+50) 10/* Tour */ < 1729804863 947134 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-200-119.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything > 1729804912 54988 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144164&oldid=144163 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+470) 10/* Syntax */ > 1729805157 868424 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144165&oldid=144164 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+7) 10/* Syntax */ > 1729805858 312097 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel/Compatibility methods14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144166&oldid=143936 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-10) 10/* Ultium */ > 1729806118 248512 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144167&oldid=144165 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-31) 10/* Examples */ < 1729806634 915509 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1729807552 415755 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel/Errors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144168&oldid=144097 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+199) 10/* TypeError */ > 1729807586 530893 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel/Errors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144169&oldid=144168 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-183) 10/* Literally just adding a semicolon to a one-line code */ < 1729807778 844793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? password < 1729807780 889816 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The password of the month is twenty-six characters long > 1729807880 272524 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144170&oldid=144043 5* 03Cycwin 5* (+92) 10 < 1729807881 924233 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aww: Bah, the repo-browser has stopped functioning again. > 1729808585 504530 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SETANDCOUNT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144171&oldid=144061 5* 03Cycwin 5* (+215) 10 > 1729808746 315975 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144172&oldid=144167 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+95) 10/* Truth-machine */ > 1729808754 750938 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144173&oldid=144172 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10/* A+B Problem */ < 1729809304 568119 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I remember trying to figure out why the socket activation wasn't activating, but couldn't figure it out. < 1729809324 400005 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now I started it manually again, but it'll just unpredictably quit after a period of inactivity again. < 1729809369 845817 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's probably some way of telling it not to quit when idle, but it's all so opaque to me. < 1729809396 753200 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thanks. (I wanted to check whether the password was set for October. I did manage with `hg log` but the web frontend is nicer.) < 1729809550 331354 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hahaha "web server config can be hard to debug" says https://wiki.mercurial-scm.org/PublishingRepositories < 1729809571 490788 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(about hgweb which I believe is what you use?) < 1729809653 734052 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. < 1729809689 745214 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's using uWSGI to host hgweb at a Unix domain socket, and then nginx in front of it. < 1729809808 437607 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, there's one path name I've forgotten to update, the one in the .service file, maybe that's the problem. < 1729809893 391926 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nnno, after stopping it it still doesn't auto-reactivate as intended. < 1729810055 45656 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can see `systemd` is listening on /run/uwsgi/hackeso-hgweb.socket but indeed I just get a "connection refused" when I try to connect. < 1729810064 933165 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(With socat.) < 1729810115 315897 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://lloydrochester.com/post/unix/systemd_sockets/ -- it sounds like the service is supposed to use sd_listen_fds() to get the socket from systemd. < 1729810159 693691 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, but it also doesn't print any errors in systemd journal, which I'm puzzled by. < 1729810203 258040 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. Now it did in fact work. < 1729810241 155266 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, is this a thing where the first request fails but subsequent requests work? < 1729810267 617968 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-200-119.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1729810268 528576 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That sounds plausible, except I did try several times in a row. < 1729810307 722356 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did `systemctl stop uwsgi-hackeso-hgweb.socket`, removed the socket file from the filesystem, and `systemctl start`ed it back again. < 1729810321 156520 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :without the handover of the FD it might become a race between systemd and hgweb accept-ing connections? < 1729810385 390257 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Systemd.html#socket-activation suggests it should "just work". < 1729810391 987309 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"When using Systemd socket activation, you do not need to specify any socket in your uWSGI configuration; the instance will inherit the socket from Systemd." < 1729810409 772391 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. < 1729810438 487008 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's supposed to notice it's being invoked in a systemd-y way and do the necessary. < 1729810510 657892 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And `ss -lp` does show both `systemd` and three `uwsgi` processes having the same socket, so I guess it did get it from there. > 1729810519 175341 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144174&oldid=144101 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+359) 10 < 1729810540 431124 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, it's running now, I'll just wait until it breaks again next time. > 1729810541 633661 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144175&oldid=144174 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+4) 10 > 1729810552 990814 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144176&oldid=144175 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-5) 10 > 1729810566 376791 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144177&oldid=144176 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-6) 10/* commands */ < 1729810730 428951 :wryl!sid553797@user/meow/Wryl PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Thank you! I don't see the person.. but I'll keep digging through the archives. < 1729811284 980777 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: right, they pass --socket in the systemd unit which takes care of that < 1729811403 140513 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I'm realizing that I don't have a firm grasp on the semantics of unix domain sockets... if one process listen()s on a socket and then select()s it (or equivalent), can a second process then create a socket, and listen and accept the connection? I guess it can... which would allow this to work. < 1729812405 399059 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.123.88 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale