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01:21:47 <esolangs> [[Talk:Sugueziume]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144451&oldid=109733 * BoundedBeans * (-43) Fix implementation (it was really broken)
03:32:33 <zzo38> The "dumpasn1" program has many bugs, I think. It won't display OIDs starting with "2.999.", UUIDs are not displayed correctly, negative numbers are not displayed properly, etc.
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05:23:19 <esolangs> [[Alivehyperfish/examples]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144453 * ZCX islptng * (+491) Created page with "{{back|Alivehyperfish}} ==Decimal input==  ff:qddddddddiiz|======>dddddddddddddddibb:z|>dddddddiifiib<|:f:z|>dddddddiibiiiiif<|:f:z|>dddddddiibbiff<|:<======|:bb Compiled from <pre> > > lbl di input -10 if0 goto di_exit -38 < < lbl di_x2 if0 goto di_x
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05:51:35 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck/Esointerpreters]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144455&oldid=144402 * Iddi01 * (-59) /* Exechars */ The promised fix
05:58:42 <esolangs> [[JAGL]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144456&oldid=144446 * Ractangle * (+10) 
06:11:06 <esolangs> [[Stack-gpt]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144457&oldid=144447 * Baldibacak * (+68) 
06:34:03 <esolangs> [[Action symbol]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144458&oldid=144408 * Gggfr * (-160) /* relation to Lambda calculus */
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09:45:59 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144461&oldid=144460 * Ractangle * (+180) /* Stack-based */
11:36:02 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144462&oldid=144203 * None1 * (+7) /* Pronouns */
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14:23:09 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck/Esointerpreters]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144465&oldid=144455 * Iddi01 * (+1947) Copied interpreter from the [[Fuu]] article and tag this article the same tag on SSLL (perhaps make it a template?)
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16:11:45 <esolangs> [[Ecliptica]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144466 * Baldibacak * (+2232) Created page with "# Ecliptica  **Ecliptica** is an esoteric programming language (esolang) created by ~~~.  == Commands ==  {| class="wikitable" |- ! Command ! Description |- | + | Increases the value of the current memory cell by 1. |- | - | Decreases the value of the current memor
16:13:18 <esolangs> [[Ecliptica]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144467&oldid=144466 * Baldibacak * (-103) /* Example Programs */
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16:36:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:Joke]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144468 * Xff * (+99) Created page with "...shouldnt this be deleted? ~~~~"
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16:43:30 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144469&oldid=143831 * Xff * (+5128) /* APL x BASIC x MM */
16:43:48 <PCWWWWW> i made this golfinglang^^
16:43:49 <PCWWWWW> ^
17:05:19 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Ais523 *  deleted "[[Joke]]": apparent test page, has never had useful content
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17:40:28 <PCWWWWW> feedback plz!
17:41:58 <int-e> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qtyddveuvk
17:42:49 <korvo> PCWWWWW: Could you share your implementation please?
17:43:15 <korvo> I do appreciate that you shared some example programs, but I'd like to know how you verified their behavior.
17:44:00 <korvo> I'm also not sure how this compares to other golflangs. Do you have notes on what you were trying to accomplish?
17:45:14 <PCWWWWW> triying to accoplish: something less esoteric
17:45:17 <PCWWWWW> also
17:45:24 <PCWWWWW> a short golflang
17:45:25 <PCWWWWW> a more
17:45:32 <PCWWWWW> freindly version of APL
17:45:35 <PCWWWWW> and
17:45:42 <PCWWWWW> to test out my golfing ability
17:45:50 <PCWWWWW> for the example programs
17:45:53 <PCWWWWW> ill veryfy foryou
17:46:00 <PCWWWWW> *verify for you
17:47:50 <PCWWWWW> since
17:47:55 <PCWWWWW> even thouhg i worked a lot on it
17:47:57 <PCWWWWW> i still
17:48:01 <PCWWWWW> didnt implement it
17:48:04 <PCWWWWW> ...'
17:48:08 <PCWWWWW> yea im sorry lol
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17:50:22 <korvo> PCWWWWW: It's fine. I can tell that you're working hard. It's important to remember that a computer *doesn't know* what it means to work hard; it can't appreciate you.
17:51:30 <PCWWWWW> yea
17:51:31 <PCWWWWW> lol
17:51:38 <PCWWWWW> also
17:51:49 <PCWWWWW> can you tel i made this in like 3 hours?
17:51:54 <PCWWWWW> not to flex;-;
17:52:26 <korvo> Could you show us how to test whether a number is even or odd?
17:53:01 <korvo> For comparison, in the non-golflang Cammy, this is (pr t not). In Python, it's `lambda n: bool(n % 2)`.
17:53:30 <PCWWWWW> ok sure
17:53:32 <korvo> ...Er, I got the polarity reversed between those. The equivalent Cammy is (pr f not).
17:54:57 <PCWWWWW> ill add it to page
17:58:03 <PCWWWWW> well
17:58:07 <PCWWWWW> i have no modulus
17:58:09 <PCWWWWW> nor division
17:58:12 <PCWWWWW> wait
17:58:16 <PCWWWWW> decimals
17:58:23 <PCWWWWW> wait no
17:59:26 <korvo> PCWWWWW: So, in serious golflangs, the primitive operations are much richer than what you've given. In the golflang Jelly, there's a dedicated atom `B` for this operation; Jelly's author recognized that the question I asked is a very common idiom.
17:59:56 <korvo> When you say "friendly version of APL", what is "friendly" exactly?
18:01:07 <PCWWWWW> something i myself can understand
18:01:08 <PCWWWWW> also
18:01:17 <PCWWWWW> not with the stupid ass unicode symbols:[
18:02:47 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144470&oldid=144469 * Xff * (+114) /* golfing lang */
18:02:52 <PCWWWWW> ok
18:02:54 <PCWWWWW> added it
18:02:55 <PCWWWWW> also
18:03:00 <PCWWWWW> its still a work in progress
18:03:02 <korvo> Then it sounds like you are missing the point of golfing.
18:03:06 <PCWWWWW> thts why its in my sandbox
18:03:21 <PCWWWWW> korvo: by understand i mean like understand command meaning
18:03:31 <PCWWWWW> i cant rlly uderstand how APL works
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18:03:37 <int-e> korvo: always aim for the bunkers?
18:04:11 <korvo> PCWWWWW: You mean "using syntax that is already familiar". If you want to work with computers, you're going to have to get used to lots of weird and bad syntax that you don't get to choose or control.
18:04:39 <int-e> "Long ago when people cursed and beat the ground with sticks, it was called witchcraft...  Today, it's called golf."
18:04:39 <PCWWWWW> yea
18:04:52 <PCWWWWW> but for now
18:04:53 <PCWWWWW> also
18:04:55 <korvo> The only reasonable complaint that we can make is that a language might be too verbose, requiring too much typing at the keyboard.
18:05:06 <PCWWWWW> these are kinda made up goals
18:05:08 <PCWWWWW> lol
18:05:13 <PCWWWWW> i just made it cuz
18:05:17 <PCWWWWW> fuckwhynot
18:05:25 <PCWWWWW> ^most common thing by me^
18:05:34 <korvo> You should learn Python by completing the official Python 3 tutorial. Because fuck, why not?
18:06:09 <korvo> It's not materially different from working on the wiki. You look at the screen, think for a bit, type some stuff at the computer, get frustrated, rinse and repeat.
18:06:15 <korvo> (Or from chatting on IRC...)
18:07:15 <korvo> PCWWWWW: Oh, there's a second insight, if you're still working on learning category theory. Python and Jelly both use the modulus operation ("bit" in Jelly slang). Cammy *doesn't have modulus*. So why should it still have a short program for testing that bit?
18:07:53 <korvo> I didn't pick this example randomly, but I also didn't pick it to be extreme. It was just something I didn't see how to do easily in your lang.
18:08:05 <PCWWWWW> yea
18:08:06 <PCWWWWW> cuz
18:08:11 <PCWWWWW> im stupid and dont have modulus
18:08:17 <PCWWWWW> for some reason
18:08:18 <PCWWWWW> well
18:09:43 <korvo> You're *young* and *inexperienced*. Jelly's author had used J, a flavor of APL, for years before designing Jelly. I've been studying category theory for like a decade.
18:10:45 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144471&oldid=144470 * Xff * (+78) /* golfing lang */
18:14:55 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144472&oldid=144471 * Xff * (+209) /* golfing lang */
18:15:29 <PCWWWWW> x mod y is ~x~~y~-"~x~~y~¿↛"*
18:15:32 <PCWWWWW> god
18:15:37 <PCWWWWW> my gold lang is terrible
18:15:39 <PCWWWWW> dammit
18:15:46 <PCWWWWW> mod is just so loong
18:16:04 <korvo> Relax. Jelly's terrible too. So are Cammy and Python.
18:16:25 <PCWWWWW> python is rlly bad lol
18:16:45 <PCWWWWW> just gotta hope mod doesnt get used so much
18:16:48 <korvo> Like, here's some perspective. Jelly is an ugly hack, a jig crafted from the experience of a woodworker who cannot build their own tools but knows how to make dozens of very specific blocks.
18:17:03 <PCWWWWW> lol
18:17:15 <PCWWWWW> these analogies are also comedies
18:17:27 <korvo> Cammy is pathetically limited and overspends weirdness points.
18:17:36 <PCWWWWW> for multiple of some genre dies must be included lol
18:17:51 <PCWWWWW> werdness points:]
18:17:59 <korvo> Python is a child's toolset; it can build real projects, but only by very carefully using power tools wrapped in foam padding.
18:18:25 <korvo> PCWWWWW: Welcome to "ha ha only serious". Hacker's humor. It's funny because it's true.
18:18:26 <PCWWWWW> it also built like chernobyl
18:18:57 <korvo> "hack", "jit", "tools", "blocks", "weirdness points", and "foam padding" are all real metaphors used by serious software engineers.
18:19:09 <korvo> "Python is C with foam padding" is a real meme in the Python community.
18:19:09 <PCWWWWW> damn
18:19:13 <PCWWWWW> lol
18:19:17 <PCWWWWW> bye
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18:20:40 <korvo> I feel like I'm saying "we are mere cavemen banging rocks together" and they're hearing "lol cavemen are silly". Like, yes, it's deeply silly, but that's not the insight.
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18:39:24 <wWwwW> im back korvo
18:39:28 <wWwwW> continue your wise rant lol
18:41:00 <FreeFull> What's a good word size for ternary? With 5 trits you can go from 0 to 242 (inclusive)
18:41:16 <esolangs> [[Ecliptica]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144473&oldid=144467 * Baldibacak * (+24) /* Example Programs */
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18:43:10 <baldibacak> hello
18:43:16 <wWwwW> halllo
18:43:34 <baldibacak> wWwwW where are you from
18:43:45 <wWwwW> denmark
18:43:51 <baldibacak> woa
18:43:55 <wWwwW> wah
18:44:00 <baldibacak> i am from turkey
18:44:03 <wWwwW> (also south africa)
18:44:07 <wWwwW> nic
18:44:11 <wWwwW> *nice
18:44:39 <korvo> wWwwW: Something can be both funny and true, that's all.
18:45:00 <baldibacak> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Stack-gpt
18:46:04 <wWwwW> yes
18:46:35 <baldibacak> libera chat so bright my eyes hurt
18:46:43 <wWwwW> change theme boi
18:46:47 <baldibacak> idk
18:47:03 <baldibacak> how
18:47:30 <baldibacak> much better thx
18:47:43 <wWwwW> np
18:47:48 <wWwwW> NP VS P
18:47:56 <wWwwW> NP = P??
18:48:01 <wWwwW> NP ≠ P?
18:48:07 <wWwwW> we will never know
18:48:16 <baldibacak> problem != no problem
18:48:26 <wWwwW> oh
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18:49:04 <baldibacak> -_-
18:50:19 <baldibacak> anyways
18:50:19 <baldibacak> i am developing a esolang
18:50:20 <baldibacak> i created an esolang page for it
18:50:20 <baldibacak> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Ecliptica
18:50:21 <baldibacak> i am not sure about syntax i feel like it isnt complate should i add more stuff ?
18:53:28 <esolangs> [[Anything]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144474&oldid=137060 * Baldibacak * (+4) /* Write stuff below */
18:53:58 <esolangs> [[Anything]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144475&oldid=144474 * Baldibacak * (+72) /* Write stuff below */
18:55:07 <baldibacak> huh
18:56:23 <esolangs> [[User talk:Baldibacak]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144476 * Baldibacak * (+1) Created page with "."
18:56:42 <baldibacak> man what is this
18:57:23 <int-e> `? this
18:57:27 <HackEso> This is something people on the channel like to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though. Nobody likes this.
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18:58:56 <korvo> baldibacak: What do you want to be able to express? Specific algorithms, data structures, I/O actions?
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19:04:07 <baldibacak> korvo well brainfuck can be translated into esolang i made it basicly turing complate now
19:11:17 <esolangs> [[Ecliptica]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144477&oldid=144473 * B jonas * (+35) 
19:16:54 <korvo> baldibacak: Nice!
19:25:30 <esolangs> [[Ecliptica]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144478&oldid=144477 * Baldibacak * (+22) 
19:26:23 <esolangs> [[Ecliptica]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144479&oldid=144478 * Baldibacak * (+294) 
19:26:56 <esolangs> [[Ecliptica]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144480&oldid=144479 * Baldibacak * (-12) 
19:27:25 <baldibacak> i made a single mistake then while fixing it i acidently pressed save then i have to fix another mistake
19:29:59 <esolangs> [[Talk:Anything]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144481 * Ractangle * (+233) Created page with "I think this should be deleted since [[Esolang:Sandbox|sandbox]] exists ~~~"
19:40:17 <esolangs> [[Ecliptica]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144482&oldid=144480 * Baldibacak * (+73) 
19:40:46 <esolangs> [[Ecliptica]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144483&oldid=144482 * Baldibacak * (-41) /* Example Programs */
19:43:45 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144484&oldid=144118 * Baldibacak * (+184) /* Tests */
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20:31:45 <esolangs> [[Ecliptica]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144485&oldid=144483 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+42) Formatting, categories
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22:56:29 <zzo38> Are the characters of a ISO 2022 multibyte character set always two bytes long, or can they be longer?
23:00:24 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * Avethenoul *  New user account
23:08:13 <esolangs> [[Soallang]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144487&oldid=126143 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+1) /* Commands */
23:19:44 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144488&oldid=144442 * Avethenoul * (+201) /* Introductions */
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