< 1730419226 2088 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But it would make golfing https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-balanced-stacker.html harder :) < 1730419229 635391 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is why it's high, it'd be easier to priority merge two belts that carry fixed shapes < 1730419270 706127 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what the heck is that contraption? < 1730419307 645663 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a perfectly synchronized stacker from my MAM design < 1730419351 950700 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :woa < 1730419422 420323 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :give me a moment, I'm trying to trace those belts through those woven opposite tunnels still < 1730419528 601469 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm sure you've seen this before, but that was 2 years ago :) < 1730419635 63191 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730419645 11938 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hah, the second image isn't right. I never noticed. < 1730419694 757476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The two inputs are supposed to cross over to the other side.) < 1730419708 49274 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, I think I can kind of see how this might work < 1730419723 264446 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it's crazy and fragile if you use it that way < 1730419769 968577 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, splitters are deterministic. And yes, my MAM is fragile. < 1730419791 612812 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in particular, do the outputs form the eight stackers never get into each other's way such that it causes buffering at a stacker and queueing up before its inputs? < 1730419815 241062 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tree-mam/#control "When this inevitably goes wrong while experimenting with various timings, synchronization will be compromised. In this case, it is enough to clear all belts in the MAM to return to a pristine state." < 1730419826 851787 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you only have a few shapes of leeway until the output of a splitter is blocked and the careful alternation breaks < 1730419841 279877 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right < 1730419842 265943 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a tiny output buffer < 1730419923 278016 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :As long as you feed the /exact/ same number of items on both sides it'll work perfectly. Unless you save and restore the game with production in progress... that'll wreak havoc on the machine. < 1730419943 801751 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Which is why my control area has an on/off button) < 1730419987 756888 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have an on-off button for the MAM too, but not for that reason < 1730420017 247737 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I put it there mostly in case I want to edit the museum contraption without losing a freeplay shape < 1730420050 851929 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and because it's easy enough to add < 1730420066 429440 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like one button and one transistor < 1730420136 434135 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's actually a bit tricky for me because I have to let the previous production cycle complete before switching everything off; switching things off mid production run would destroy the balance. < 1730420143 433088 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or synchronization < 1730420157 365042 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, because of the splitters < 1730420161 575162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I forgot that that was the term I settled on when describing the MAM) < 1730420246 664042 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you want to build that kind of crazy contraption synchronized such that you count every single item, you can do it in Factorio too by the way < 1730420277 519821 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might not be the most practical thing to do, but there's a big enoguh community that does all sorts of esoteric things in Factorio < 1730420284 490439 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is kind of cool given that the game is so much messier. < 1730420295 373276 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :inclusing a whole Discord named "Technical Factorio" < 1730420315 492754 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, but save and load saves and loads all the state properly < 1730420351 313825 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or at least more of the state than shapez.io; technically it needn't save all state of certain mods < 1730420383 789856 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah the fact that *that* doesn't work properly in shapez.io is kind of embarrassing. I've seen mention of a mod that fixes this, by somebody who works on shapez.io TAS runs, which makes a lot of sense. :) < 1730420411 508734 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't save the link. < 1730420494 658295 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do know what state is missing though... it's the one-item output buffer of producers, and the up-to-two (IIRC) pending "charges" of production buildings. < 1730420498 327799 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice < 1730420655 895947 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Factorio is forced to handle save-loads properly because it's built to work as a multiplayer network game with the state perfectly synchronized across clients. < 1730420692 766591 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Detecting a single belt item is tricky in shapez.io btw. The problem with the filter+storage combination is that it traps an item, and you detect an item, the previous item is released. < 1730420717 799057 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, multiplayer will force you to properly serialize all relevant state. < 1730420815 837543 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I find it technically pretty impressive that they have both synchronized network play and a good modding system built into the same game engine (even if mods need to support network play when they do certain things, because the game core carefully does all its computations deterministically, but mods can do things that aren't deterministic and then that breaks across network play) < 1730420836 431713 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's *much* harder than just having two games, one with synchronized network play and one with a mod system < 1730420918 765645 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it's not just a theoretical proof of concept demo of this, players are actively using multiplayer and impressive modding things and both are optimized well and give a good player experience > 1730420956 10912 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PyFuck (kuangkzh)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144716&oldid=144686 5* 03ShirAko 5* (+42) 10changed link for hello world < 1730420969 907149 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if they were less insane they'd never have added network multi-headed gameplay > 1730421105 943557 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PyFuck (kuangkzh)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144717&oldid=144716 5* 03ShirAko 5* (-42) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/144716|144716]] by [[Special:Contributions/ShirAko|ShirAko]] ([[User talk:ShirAko|talk]]) > 1730422165 103283 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PyFuck (shirAko)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144718&oldid=144679 5* 03ShirAko 5* (+1) 10small correction < 1730426407 353245 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1730426434 556365 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1730435988 94414 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there object identifiers for geodetic reference systems (e.g. WGS84, NAD83, etc)? > 1730437133 566734 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07914]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144719&oldid=144709 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+10) 10 > 1730442982 788927 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Superstitionfreeblog14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144720&oldid=144557 5* 03Superstitionfreeblog 5* (+7391) 10 > 1730443939 221929 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ZCX islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144721&oldid=143526 5* 03Superstitionfreeblog 5* (+216) 10 > 1730444391 234992 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Subleq14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144722&oldid=143517 5* 03Superstitionfreeblog 5* (+422) 10 > 1730444488 928657 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Superstitionfreeblog14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144723&oldid=144720 5* 03Superstitionfreeblog 5* (+1) 10/* Subleq8: My 8 bit subleq interpreter source code */ < 1730446110 641588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1730447099 38034 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1730447169 990891 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1730447257 149827 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs : /me is thinking idly about bfjoust interpreter optimizations < 1730447273 211895 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1730447277 852118 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :After ais mentioned it, I think it's very practical to do. (In a language suited to slightly more advanced compiler code, anyways) < 1730447378 810842 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :Any segment that runs entirely instructions from the following set can be a "clear loop": [ + - . { < 1730447413 131411 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :That segment effectively has no means to exit unless: A) the timer expires, B) the current cell is set to zero. < 1730447434 641506 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :if both bots are in such a segment, the entire resolution can be fast forwarded. < 1730447521 592876 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :Should be able to fast forward the match by hundreds of cycles at a time in .... any practical match, tbh. < 1730447693 275003 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :It'd be bounded by two things: The maximum length of time each "fast-forwardable segment" can execute for before it branches due to e.g. an offset clear, and the cell it's on actually reaching 0 so that while loops can be entered/exited.. < 1730447711 527943 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :Notably this works even if the two bots are on the same cell. < 1730447740 948024 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can still find a movement rate for e.g. (+)*-1 fighting [+.] > 1730447743 622604 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144724&oldid=144550 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+757) 10FROSTWIRE-666 is growing on me. I want to extract a usable fixed point combinator from , but Python is not the best tool for it.. < 1730447802 954813 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730448378 351215 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] iddi01 < 1730448436 782288 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest beta https://www.paste.org/flat/128387 < 1730448437 965648 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.beta: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 < 1730448516 692255 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :d a m n  p a s t e . o  r g  d o n ' t  w o r k < 1730448548 479183 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another observation: there exists a "time before first interaciton" in every BFJoust match. < 1730448580 460212 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :Before either bot reaches the furthest cell the other bot has reached. < 1730448628 268452 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can run e.g. tape 10 up to that point, save the state, then when doing tape 10, insert a cell in between from the saved state, as the bots bascially have yet to determine the tape length. Furthermore, you can transfer the first cycles of the normal polarity to the polarity flipped on the same principle. < 1730448640 792630 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you add cycle advantage as a configuration, you apply the same principle for that too. < 1730448674 145815 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :In the extreme case, this can determine that two flag defenders will XXXXXXXX after one round. < 1730448740 519220 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :These two techniques combined should skip a significant portion of the mid/endgame for fast-forwarding loops and a significant portion of the earlygame (when there's no pokes involved) for the time before first interaction metric. < 1730448837 818003 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest beta https://pastebin.com/raw/4Wtf25Zz < 1730448838 161304 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.beta: points 9.74, score 31.02, rank 5/47 < 1730448850 88154 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust beta https://pastebin.com/raw/4Wtf25Zz < 1730448850 539486 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.beta: points 9.74, score 31.02, rank 5/47 > 1730449152 97368 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144725&oldid=144576 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+835) 10/* complete basis? */ links for future reference < 1730449214 244367 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730449563 351072 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest77 < 1730449634 26688 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does anybody know why APL has all thewierd symbols?(i need tisfor an esolang) < 1730449688 794890 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest77: in the early days of programming the choice of character sets wasn't really fixed, so all languages were in a way using weird symbols < 1730449706 908714 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1730449717 374904 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and APL came up with a descriptive set for its own use because, with no standard set, it might as well < 1730449723 268742 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1730449730 560213 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust another_rush_program < 1730449730 599920 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.another_rush_program: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-36) < 1730449745 452565 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wat bout jelly? < 1730449755 364474 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730449757 77321 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust beta https://pastebin.com/raw/4Wtf25Zz < 1730449757 456954 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.beta: points 11.74, score 33.84, rank 4/47 (--) < 1730449789 358150 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Jelly's character set was chosen to be easy to type < 1730449801 947385 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :easytotype? < 1730449805 399181 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's quite hard to come up with 256 characters that are all typeable < 1730449811 295385 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they arent even qwertytho < 1730449818 155245 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :alsobye < 1730449821 100483 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill checklogs < 1730449827 12707 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 QUIT :Client Quit < 1730449832 34987 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are keyboard layouts which use altgr like a second shift key, to give four symbols per key < 1730449839 78821 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust another_rush_program (>)*8-----<<(+)*23<<(-)*33<<(+)*65>(+)*33<<(-)*44<(-)*21>>[(>)*9(>[+[+[--[-[-[(-[{(+)*26(+[{(+)*92(+.)*24(>(+)*116(+.)*24)*-1}])%25}])%23]]]]]])*25]<<(---+)*-1 < 1730449839 179869 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.another_rush_program: points 5.12, score 25.22, rank 11/47 (+36) < 1730449849 644792 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. the a key produces a A æ Æ with no modifier, shift, altgr, and altgr-shift > 1730449855 148589 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144726&oldid=144725 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+257) 10/* complete basis? */ B combinator lulz < 1730449894 285475 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :altgr-j is a prefix that produces ả,ɓ,ƈ, etc., which is why Jelly uses a lot of symbols like that < 1730449908 485764 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :clearly if you need a quick 256 character encoding, just use kanji. It's easy to type. :^) < 1730449920 674899 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :altgr-/ is underdot, ạḅḍẹ < 1730449929 798329 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :altgr-shift-/ is overdot, ȧḃḋė < 1730449954 554932 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lymia: over the last couple of days I have been trying to find a kanji input method I like < 1730450027 536584 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been considering creating my own, designed for trying to input ideograms that you could only see from a distance or at a small font size and can't make out all the details, and also don't know the language < 1730450053 184134 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :LOL < 1730450094 675275 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also I have taken an unusual approach by attempting to learn written Chinese ideograms and written Japanese ideograms simultaneously – there is so much overlap that it makes more sense to learn the character and how it differs in the two languages, than to try to learn it separately) > 1730450324 975603 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144727&oldid=144726 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+21) 10/* complete basis? */ link to specific section of that long SKI page < 1730450831 8592 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whoops, β ranked first in traditional scoring. did that count as topping the hill? < 1730450870 167863 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are different senses of topping < 1730450914 143068 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean the sense that the BF joust champions page uses < 1730450941 898372 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's intentionally a bit vague, and I don't think this situation's come up before < 1730450959 514988 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, back when there were two working hills you'd just submit to the hill that used the scoring you'd need < 1730451005 5820 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think being #1 in any major scoring system is probably good enough to add to the article, assuming that you didn't get there via excessive overfitting – it's a high bar to reach < 1730451085 887397 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, β doesn't include any special-case code at all < 1730451186 955451 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the strategy seems innovative enough < 1730451199 547020 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is mildly reminiscent of growth2 but there are significant differences < 1730451352 964969 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's the sort of program for which the champions page would gain from an explanation > 1730453017 870479 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust champions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144728&oldid=144605 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+1703) 10A new only-in-traditional-scoring champion < 1730453383 300487 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1730453632 647061 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1730453644 211424 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1730454222 641156 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust champions14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144729&oldid=144728 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+41) 10/* 2024 */ The wiggle for the third step is actually smaller < 1730457102 909051 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1730457668 519942 :spiderella!izabera@user/meow/izabera NICK :isabella > 1730457827 306209 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EsoInterpreters14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144730&oldid=144658 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+1735) 10Added Stringle, Exechars and Execode > 1730457983 141602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck/Esointerpreters14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144731&oldid=144465 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+34) 10/* See also*/ Added link to Esointerpreters page > 1730461322 153015 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Gift14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144732&oldid=141099 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+276) 10 > 1730461739 144411 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Slink14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144733 5* 033cxpy 5* (+2857) 10Create the "Slink" page > 1730461958 421030 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Slink14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144734&oldid=144733 5* 033cxpy 5* (+50) 10 < 1730462209 943715 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1730462486 631330 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Slink14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144735&oldid=144734 5* 033cxpy 5* (+13) 10 < 1730463142 943256 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730463950 443664 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.123.189 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730464189 33677 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1730464622 933348 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :“there are keyboard layouts which use altgr like a second shift key, to give four symbols per key” => the hungarian layouts on Windows use altgr (or control-alt) as a second shift key giving *three* symbols per key. for example, altgr+j gives í and altgre+i gives Í, altgr+a gives ä and iirc altgr+s gives Ä, altgr+comma gives semicolon, altgr+z gives greater-than, etc. all ascii characters are < 1730464628 963531 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :available on one of the three layers, and there are also some altgr combinations that give an accent that tries to modify the following letter that you type. < 1730464803 360310 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW > 1730464827 580356 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ChuckEsoteric08/Interpreters14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144736&oldid=144692 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+0) 10/* SHITS in CDILOI */ < 1730464834 263601 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nope, incorrect, it's altgr+e that gives Ä < 1730464834 411600 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx for the help ais523!(yes i was guest77) > 1730464840 57347 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SHITS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144737&oldid=144654 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-1) 10/* In CDILOI */ < 1730464873 337377 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are only four lowercase-uppercase pairs directly on the altgr layer though < 1730464941 863670 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just three layers would be rather silly if there had to be more > 1730465323 355224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144738&oldid=144727 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+134) 10/* complete basis? */ < 1730465489 389042 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest77: APL evolved from a notation that could be used to write about mathematics and not necessarily computer code. the first computer-executable versions of APL were designed to be used on a Selectric electromechanical typewriter used as serial terminal, very popular in America at the time. the Selectrics use a replacable ball-shaped type with 88 or 96 glyphs per ball, so APL on it used a custom ball < 1730465495 392495 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that has a custom set of symbols, and a lot of extra symbols were made from combining two symbols backspacing, which is why there are combinations. then some later APLs kept those same symbols even in such contexts where such backspacing to combine two symbols wasn't available anymore, as in video terminals. < 1730465510 961763 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can ping me for Guest77 k > 1730465532 467132 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144739&oldid=144738 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+57) 10/* complete basis? */ < 1730465642 860286 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I don't think even all 88 glyphs were used, I think maybe only 80-something were available if they used a 5-bit serial tty rather than 7-bit or 8-bit, which is why there were so many overstruck characters < 1730465654 119058 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but maybe the did use a 7-bit or 8-bit tty, I don't know < 1730465668 121653 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also < 1730465670 960332 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what about like < 1730465672 5465 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the < 1730465680 827738 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :UIUA and all those APL likes < 1730465684 957968 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why did they adopt it < 1730465747 542351 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is "UIUA"? < 1730465766 175350 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that stack based lang < 1730465770 73091 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think its UIUA < 1730465803 380704 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tis ting: https://www.uiua.org/ < 1730466014 629341 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :incidentally the IBM Selectric series is such an advanced machine for its time that it's quite amazing how they could mass-produce it and adopt it in many places. it's almost non-existent here in Europe, I've never seen one in person (except for one Selectric behind glass in a museum cabinet that was exhibited in a way that all you could see is a fancy plastic chasis and a keyboard), so I was wondering < 1730466021 110225 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for a while if it's a machine that was just an american hoax (and possibly expensive prototype machine) propagated to convince the SU of the west's technological superiority, but then later a service manual and some disassembly videos turned up on the internet, so now I'm pretty sure at least two of the three generations did actually exist < 1730466142 874939 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1730466270 223986 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, almost none of the APL symbols are actually weird, all of them are clearly either symbols used before APL, or simple geometric shapes (small center circle, large circle, bottom _|_, top ~|~, delta, nabla, large rectangle, multiplication sign ×, six-pointed star) or overstruck combinations of them (bottom+small circle, top+small circle, vertical bar+nabla => pine, rectangle+comma => system, < 1730466276 214074 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :minus+colon => division, large circle+six-pointed star => log) < 1730466330 798105 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then some of the later invented symbols use a diaresis/umlaut combined with symbols < 1730466345 589909 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ig < 1730466399 61955 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :many of the symbols are *unique*, first used for APL, but none of them really are weird other than maybe the rectangle+comma < 1730466490 287427 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe the division sign ÷ isn't actually composed because there's also a domino symbol which is division+large rectangle < 1730466618 167662 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no idea which symbols are old and which ones were added later though < 1730466671 587526 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the variant that I'm most familiar with is semi-old versions of J, which is an APL that uses ascii symbols only and was designed by the late Ken Iverson himself together with Roger Hui < 1730466700 524530 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we had a bunch of IRC bots evaluating it for a while but none of them are alive anymore and it isn't likely that there'll be any more < 1730466715 817607 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one of the main drawbacks why I don't like J though is the large number of incompatible changes between versions < 1730466738 979667 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah right, there's no large rectangle+comma, there's only a large rectangle+apostrophe < 1730466822 58715 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok fair, there's one really weird symbol, the lightbulb to mark comments, and I don't think that one was composed < 1730467376 39385 :amby!~ambylastn@94.119.64.5 JOIN #esolangs amby :realname > 1730467446 847001 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07InPro14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144740 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+725) 10Created page with "'''InPro''' ('''In'''finite '''Pro'''gram) is a [[brainfuck]] derivative by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] ==Description== The programs in the language are infinite, and thus it it needs to be run using a REPL. In this version while loop [...] is instead an > 1730467482 871957 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ChuckEsoteric0814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144741&oldid=144578 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+11) 10/* 2024 */ added InPro > 1730467521 490333 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Inpro14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144742 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+19) 10Redirected page to [[InPro]] > 1730467623 860689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Conditional Bee14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144743&oldid=94263 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-4) 10 < 1730467729 948573 :amby!~ambylastn@94.119.64.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1730469364 351042 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] baldibacak > 1730470515 602581 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CDILOI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144744&oldid=141001 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+12) 10/* Computational class */ < 1730471361 945239 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1730471870 981236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TACC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144745&oldid=120863 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+722) 10/* Examples */ > 1730472266 978071 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EsoInterpreters14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144746&oldid=144730 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+515) 10/* Main table */ Added brainfuck in Textile > 1730472420 126076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DOG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144747&oldid=96958 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+23) 10/* External resources */ < 1730473287 250208 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.123.189 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1730474739 727373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144748&oldid=143929 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1) 10/* Conjectures */ < 1730474755 410598 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1730474995 696411 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144749&oldid=144724 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+54) 10/* Computational class */ > 1730475058 530596 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144750&oldid=144739 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+59) 10/* complete basis? */ < 1730475927 351030 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730476051 911522 :fowl!~fowl@user/fowl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1730476368 602914 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1730477250 993153 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1730477261 799927 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1730477666 986430 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1730478045 883716 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730478284 685506 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730478561 439352 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.123.189 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730478920 351630 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1730479463 350476 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1730480972 284356 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hakerh400/Conjectures14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144751&oldid=90585 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2268) 10Add a new conjecture. < 1730483172 349978 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1730483834 478288 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1730485215 375350 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:HakerScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144752 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+290) 10Created page with "hello i am new here but i have an suggestion for brutforce it pauses program for 1-5 sec but instead what if we iterate that many times for example brutforce 127.0.0.1 100000 which gonna run a loop that increments variable until variable = 100000 which is ac > 1730485234 533185 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144753&oldid=144752 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+12) 10added pre tag for newlines < 1730485339 356448 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1730485356 280028 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1730485656 416920 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1730486507 497482 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730487827 402679 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.123.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730488077 375066 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] baldibacak < 1730488145 148120 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 QUIT :Client Quit < 1730488191 351035 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] baldibacak < 1730489083 213664 :Everything!~Everythin@195.138.86.118 JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1730489671 199299 :Everything!~Everythin@195.138.86.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1730489721 213096 :Everything!~Everythin@94.153.29.90 JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1730491123 456964 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.120.5 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1730491541 339759 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0710 114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144754&oldid=144688 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+40) 10 > 1730491556 157015 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Jumpy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144755 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+387) 10Created page with "Wouldn't Jumpy be a [[linear bounded automaton]], since it can only access finitely many cells on the Game of Life board. :--~~~~" > 1730491564 996745 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0710 114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144756&oldid=144754 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (-1) 10f > 1730492183 261237 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Eafh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144757&oldid=138460 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+41) 10/* Interpreter */ > 1730492508 620902 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Preserve Line Numbers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144758&oldid=114784 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+85) 10/* Example Programs */ > 1730492530 854426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:B2C14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144759 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+139) 10Created page with "i dont think this esolang is turing complate since there is only 2 cells unless they are infinite bits in size they cant be turing complate" > 1730492693 287705 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Multiply14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144760&oldid=101871 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+90) 10/* Examples */ > 1730493349 310433 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Eafh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144761&oldid=144757 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+52) 10written an ecliptica interpreter > 1730493426 825150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JAGL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144762&oldid=144456 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-7) 10Interpreter moved > 1730493466 163329 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/hjhjhj14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144763&oldid=135411 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (-1213) 10removed bullshit and fixed categoryies > 1730493510 946691 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/hjhjhj14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144764&oldid=144763 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+1213) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/144763|144763]] by [[Special:Contributions/Baldibacak|Baldibacak]] ([[User talk:Baldibacak|talk]]) < 1730494695 350339 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730495246 370635 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] baldibacak < 1730495539 416060 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1730496089 359162 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.120.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730497184 945962 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730497261 751636 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730497796 603356 :Everything!~Everythin@94.153.29.90 QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1730498470 585531 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Preserve Line Numbers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144765&oldid=144758 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+142) 10/* Example Programs */ < 1730498580 230163 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730498604 774346 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1730499127 416684 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07=/=14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144766 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+26) 10Redirected page to [[Unassignable]] > 1730499547 472099 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OOo CODE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144767&oldid=139779 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+76) 10/* Examples */ < 1730501154 188650 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1730501491 859590 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144768&oldid=144436 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-71) 10 > 1730501861 821052 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:B2C14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144769&oldid=144759 5* 03None1 5* (+263) 10It's an FSA > 1730502233 384318 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Preserve Line Numbers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144770&oldid=144765 5* 03None1 5* (-208) 10These examples don't work as it can only print consecutive numbers starting with 1 > 1730505109 860880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Jumpy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144771&oldid=144755 5* 03Corbin 5* (+574) 10Demonstrate how to decide Jumpy in linear time.