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> 1731890893 487491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145727&oldid=145726 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+95) 10/* Instructions */
> 1731891118 153933 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145728&oldid=145727 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+176) 10
< 1731891729 354030 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: It looks like there's a generic enough 16 bit computer in there.  https://zspec.jaredreisinger.com/14-opcode-table
< 1731892103 440650 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(As documentation goes this feels very sparse. You'd probably have to dig through an interpreter like frotz if you want to figure out the actual semantics. There's mention of dynamic memory and user stacks in V6 but no details where I looked.)
< 1731892157 735312 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(So I have no clue how much memory you get to play around with.)
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> 1731901817 222542 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Rombito 5*  10New user account
> 1731906576 67305 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145730&oldid=145724 5* 03Rombito 5* (+120) 10
> 1731906581 168142 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pararedox14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145731 5* 03Rombito 5* (+1820) 10Made pararedox
> 1731906629 298233 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pararedox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145732&oldid=145731 5* 03Rombito 5* (+18) 10
> 1731906692 447765 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pararedox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145733&oldid=145732 5* 03Rombito 5* (+3) 10
> 1731910350 19168 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Trainhooking14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145734&oldid=138636 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+12) 10/* TC proof */
> 1731911201 210438 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/One per generation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145735&oldid=145499 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+255) 10/* To be reposted */ 12  10) (----
> 1731911356 734963 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/One per generation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145736&oldid=145735 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (-49) 10
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< 1731911836 774096 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tried to write a better documentation about Z-machine, but it is incomplete.
< 1731912197 858918 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Only the memory below PURBOT is writable, although the first 64K is readable. Above the first 64K can only be packed text and program instructions; other data must be stored below 64K.
< 1731912440 798780 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can read this text in the program by the use of DIROUT 3 though, so it can be used for purposes other than just being displayed
> 1731912789 450096 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/One per generation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145737&oldid=145736 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+215) 10
> 1731913505 617789 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145738&oldid=145669 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+12) 10/* Stuff to continue */
> 1731913529 535638 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145739&oldid=145738 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1) 10/* Stuff to continue */
> 1731913747 775261 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/One per generation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145740&oldid=145737 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+245) 10
> 1731913757 984724 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145741&oldid=145717 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* Cat program */
> 1731913790 984379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145742&oldid=145741 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-12) 10Whoos
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> 1731917684 415934 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145743&oldid=145466 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+81) 10/* Syntax */
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> 1731928159 702417 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145744&oldid=145729 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+497) 10/* Some CA stuff */
> 1731928948 251740 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Win7HE 5*  10New user account
> 1731929332 152260 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Commercial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145745&oldid=127666 5* 03ZachChecksOutEsolangs 5* (+90) 10
> 1731930020 955453 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A+B Problem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145746&oldid=144011 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+1607) 10/* Implementations */ Just realized that the +-only calculators in [[Execode]] and [[Exechars]] are actually this
> 1731930162 192818 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145747&oldid=145730 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+69) 10deadshark
> 1731930247 138945 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Win7HE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145748 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+67) 10example
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> 1731933618 982966 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadshark14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145749 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+1404) 10my deadfish variant
> 1731933666 170533 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadshark14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145750&oldid=145749 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+1) 10hm
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> 1731933920 500666 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Win7HE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145751&oldid=145748 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+13) 10fun
> 1731934207 325952 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145752&oldid=144207 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+47) 10/* Variants of deadfish */
> 1731934225 728729 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145753&oldid=145752 5* 03Win7HE 5* (-1) 10/* Variants of deadfish */
> 1731934252 321226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145754&oldid=145753 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+1) 10/* Variants of deadfish */
> 1731934275 890048 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadshark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145755&oldid=145750 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-5) 10/* Commands */
> 1731934294 850947 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadshark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145756&oldid=145755 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10
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> 1731934588 74177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145758&oldid=145698 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+55) 10/* syntax */
> 1731934641 86210 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadshark14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145759&oldid=145757 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+38) 10/* Commands */
> 1731934884 406574 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadshark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145760&oldid=145759 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+90) 10/* External Links */
> 1731935101 520214 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145761&oldid=145504 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+16) 10/* D */
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< 1731935263 82395 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
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> 1731941082 139973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nythop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145762&oldid=145451 5* 03Luxedo 5* (+0) 10Fix Nyhtop typos to Nythop
> 1731941183 370733 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145763&oldid=144350 5* 03Iddi01 5* (-8) 10/* Related languages */ I don't know how many potential [[BF joust]] players were lost due to this unacceptable detail (making the less popular more visible)
> 1731942003 700145 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145764&oldid=145742 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+317) 10/* Cat program */
> 1731942020 198076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145765&oldid=145761 5* 03Rombito 5* (+16) 10
> 1731942020 641878 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145766&oldid=145764 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+17) 10/* Cat program */
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< 1731943219 933174 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im bored. if anybody saw my AIS523 discussion about 0L and i need help with some details!
> 1731943327 227098 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Halforth14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145767 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+1847) 10Created page with "'''Halforth''' - is an esolang based on Forth by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] in which every insyruction takes half of a byte (a single hexadecimal digit) ==Description== Language works on a stack as well as a tape to store data, which could contain both negative a
> 1731943344 46451 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ChuckEsoteric0814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145768&oldid=144741 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+14) 10/* 2024 */
> 1731943641 394154 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Halforth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145769&oldid=145767 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+0) 10
> 1731943718 945194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Halforth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145770&oldid=145769 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+4) 10
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< 1731948019 450639 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello
< 1731948592 172692 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i need smth to read any interesting but not too long langs to read about?
< 1731948620 175876 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and no int-e this is not another chance to say that i need to improove my esolangs im always trying lol)
< 1731948669 831220 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: what is Éšœłãñg
> 1731948689 319037 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCWWWWW: Éšœłãñg is an esoteric programming language designed around the way a keyboard works. It uses a base string and rules to manipulate characters. The rules are based on cycles (prime or odd) and dictate how characters are replaced. For example, prime cycles replace a character with the base string repeated a certain number of times, while odd...
> 1731948689 319590 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cycles replace it with the nth diacritic.
< 1731948707 855621 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :YOOO
< 1731948718 565644 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731948731 105102 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats epic
< 1731948733 371182 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :good job
< 1731948735 644436 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731948788 11612 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolang: what changes would need to happen to https://esolangs.org/wiki/OFFICIAL Turing complete
< 1731948793 130423 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :frick
< 1731948794 305359 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops
< 1731948805 787273 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: what changes would need to happen to https://esolangs.org/wiki/OFFICIAL Turing complete
< 1731948822 261136 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(esolangs is cool lol)
> 1731948843 142678 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCWWWWW: The provided link is a redirect to the Turing-complete page. Therefore, no changes are needed. The page already defines what Turing-completeness is and provides examples of languages that are Turing-complete.
< 1731948880 630400 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hahahaaaaaaaaa frick thats funny
< 1731948937 940180 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway
< 1731948939 231474 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
> 1731949445 785530 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fiifinite14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145771 5* 03Xff 5* (+666) 10Created page with "'''Fiifinite''' is a [[FSA]] but the only change is a state can split the pointer into to! now this may seem boring but this is equal to creating a copy program making in an infinite state machine. but really its just a infinite pointer finite state machine(IPFSM) == synta
> 1731949458 704426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fiifinite14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145772&oldid=145771 5* 03Xff 5* (+1) 10/* examples */
> 1731949494 685750 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fiifinite14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145773&oldid=145772 5* 03Xff 5* (+111) 10/* syntax and semantics */
> 1731949506 892804 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fiifinite14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145774&oldid=145773 5* 03Xff 5* (+2) 10/* examples */
< 1731949521 384842 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :very good esolang
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< 1731949568 764769 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: is Fiifinite TC?
< 1731949582 687163 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(yes i do like playing around with esolangs its fun lol)
> 1731949597 173436 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCWWWWW: Finite Groups is a functional language that can be used to implement finite state machines. It's not a Turing Machine, but it can be used to simulate the behavior of a Turing Machine. Therefore, Finite Groups is not a Turing Machine.
> 1731949606 222514 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fiifinite14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145775&oldid=145774 5* 03Xff 5* (+0) 10
< 1731949644 984846 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mmm yes finite groups whatever the frick that is
< 1731949760 745370 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway
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< 1731951472 92936 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCWWWWW: The bot doesn't actually know how to determine whether something is TC. It also doesn't know the abbreviation "TC".
< 1731951482 198364 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: Is the Brainfuck programming language Turing-complete?
> 1731951525 652677 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: No, Brainfuck is not Turing-complete. The article states that Brainfuck is a 1D language, while Turing-complete languages are brainfuck derivatives. This means Brainfuck is a subset of Turing-complete languages, but not a Turing-complete language itself.
< 1731951563 590481 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCWWWWW: See, it doesn't know anything and is completely wrong about most facts.
< 1731951569 478517 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol nice
< 1731951585 61330 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what *is* esolangs anyway?
< 1731951589 598422 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: Is the Cammy programming language Turing-complete?
< 1731951604 584441 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it cant be chatgpt
< 1731951606 382577 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731951616 351214 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's an IRC bot. They're endangered now, but they used to be common all throughout this region.
< 1731951619 183661 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: you dont need to demonstrate
< 1731951625 992333 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :more of this
< 1731951640 572837 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but what is an IRC bot. a mediocre chatbot???
< 1731951649 943269 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, it's not ChatGPT. I gather that it's a local model, possibly a flavor of LLaMA.
< 1731951683 908252 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have no idea what that means but i accept it as an answer whatsoever
< 1731951696 663668 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also can you detect that im tired as frick?just wonderin
< 1731951712 383687 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :All chatbots are mediocre at best. It's something we discovered in the 1960s: if you give somebody a program that *appears* to speak a natural language, then often they'll be fooled into thinking that the program is a person.
< 1731951733 751381 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, I gather that you're a student, and students are defined by overwork and exhaustion.
< 1731951769 823032 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no i meant like tired as physically i want to sleep. like yea all the time im exhuasted yes yes
< 1731951797 485087 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also by that definition family doctors are students even when out of medical school
< 1731951845 756253 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Doctors do have a "residency" period after they're graduated; they're still students at that point, because they have to learn how a working hospital operates.
< 1731951861 935256 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes yes. but after that
> 1731951876 90868 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Yes, Cammy is Turing-complete. The article states that Cammy is Turing-complete because it can represent arbitrary functions using its primitive arrows and templates. This makes it capable of simulating any Turing machine.
< 1731951878 574051 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(i know of residency ive watched some doctor stuff)
< 1731951914 977694 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And that's two failures for esolangs. It turns out that RAG is not perfect and LLMs cannot reason.
< 1731951932 132779 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nothing is perfect
< 1731951965 801791 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :other than physics(not the formulas(formulea?) but the actual system itself)
< 1731951967 876755 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Perfect hashing is perfect. Binary trees on powers of two are perfect.
< 1731951983 787596 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not that kind of perfect
< 1731951998 952758 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nothing *real* is perfect(real defined as phtsically buildable)
< 1731952011 118221 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even if a RAG pipeline puts all of the correct snippets in front of the LLM, there's no intrinsic reason that an LLM ought to be able to reason about those snippets. LLMs are fundamentally statistical and syntactic.
< 1731952013 377213 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and like isnt just math)
< 1731952033 766282 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :still deterministic tho
< 1731952093 959836 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also just wonderin has anybody thought of this before(i would be very suprised if not): https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fiifinite
< 1731952097 727021 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Statistical systems are generally non-deterministic. esolangs happens to be configured to be deterministic, but an LLM is most effective when doing non-deterministic searches for good options.
< 1731952140 845371 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCWWWWW: Sounds like NFAs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondeterministic_finite_automaton
< 1731952176 452542 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(computers cant be non deterministic and i cant remember why. not truly atleast)
< 1731952220 739050 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: i dont rlly see tha relation unless im looking at the diagram. they are not the same tho. i belive atleast
< 1731952310 234917 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The physics underneath computers is highly non-deterministic and it takes a lot of effort to create a stable signal when building physical machines. Von Neumann had to prove a "threshold theorem" stating that classical computers were possible to build; his theorem shows that if a machine can amplify its internal signals over some threshold, then it can always distinguish between internal states.
> 1731952314 374077 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fiifinite14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145776&oldid=145775 5* 03Xff 5* (+51) 10/* syntax and semantics */
< 1731952325 675674 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :We needed a similar threshold theorem to prove that quantum computers were possible!
< 1731952331 428289 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1731952334 602767 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im stupid
< 1731952337 389091 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731952345 848803 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but who *programs* that in?
< 1731952362 327142 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like
< 1731952369 418011 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea on the physics level they can be
< 1731952376 63628 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCWWWWW: Would you believe that every NFA has an equivalent DFA? The DFA might need many more states to represent the NFA's non-determinism, but it's always possible.
< 1731952385 985352 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but programming wise no.
< 1731952390 534488 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: oh yea
< 1731952395 642044 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like
< 1731952397 490624 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1731952406 792791 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont know why
< 1731952413 97344 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im to stupid to say that
< 1731952416 787905 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just say yea like
< 1731952425 279382 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Programming-wise, you'd better know about cosmic rays; random bitflips are quite possible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening
< 1731952475 498436 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :are they rlly random tho? its just *complicated* right? like you nearly cant see a difference but like still
< 1731952480 531438 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just some physics
< 1731952483 26791 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
< 1731952502 783349 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(why are we remaking a whole god damn vsause video???)
< 1731952519 710023 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway
< 1731952524 582298 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the reason i find
< 1731952568 23275 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fiifinite to be different from NSA is that even though like you can think of it as running both possibiltys when actually coputing the program it will always take one of two choices
< 1731952579 24111 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :while here it will always choose both parrelely
< 1731952579 284770 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ooh, that's one of my favorite parts of physics! It's a theorem of quantum mechanics that *no*, the world isn't made up of deterministic tiny particles whose inner workings are following mysterious rules; sometimes, particles are forced to make choices.
< 1731952596 623192 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731952636 374024 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :agian HOW DO I DO THIS MAN. i always make a long discussion cuz i disagree with the whole feild of math most of the time just to find out im stupid
< 1731952649 525157 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(why am i saying again lol)
< 1731952656 950374 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and why am i rambeling)
< 1731952659 36991 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's not a real difference. An NFA can be run by checking each possibility on its own, or by checking all possibilities in parallel. That's not a property of languages, but a property of implementations.
< 1731952715 913066 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true...wait...waaaait. but....waaait. but the resulting history would be different so one would return two or more histrories but the other one only a single
< 1731952718 534656 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont see
< 1731952723 335499 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how they still are the same
< 1731952728 539302 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Histories are an implementation detail. They're not part of the language.
< 1731952744 589499 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tbut still it would be running multiple states in one
< 1731952749 635029 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a single in the other
< 1731952754 199925 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont see the like
< 1731952757 68466 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :relation at all
< 1731952770 333220 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You might have to *implement* them in order to understand the implementation details.
< 1731953266 167715 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731953269 222352 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also
< 1731953272 271155 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in
< 1731953307 455066 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fiifinite(i will be saying ff from now on) you could implement it with the detial of each state is labeled by which point is running it
< 1731953309 619057 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you do so
< 1731953315 343288 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it acts like creating states
< 1731953318 908348 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which
< 1731953323 563827 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can you do that for an NSA?
< 1731953423 689347 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like for example
< 1731953428 616461 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
< 1731953435 463263 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :forget the "like for example"
< 1731953449 276936 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not really coming together for me. I'm guessing that the [] brackets have a special meaning and that there's some sort of rewriting structure?
< 1731953486 432295 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :???
< 1731953492 990847 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Otherwise it's really differnet from an NFA. `x *-> y *-> z` is equivalent to two lines, `x -> y` and `x -> z`.
< 1731953509 63355 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :[] just prints the state when ran
< 1731953522 702037 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :empty state halts
< 1731953526 298337 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also
< 1731953528 197644 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then
< 1731953537 851077 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no lol
< 1731953539 964480 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but like
< 1731953545 765334 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i still dont see it
< 1731953550 576274 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :NFA?
< 1731953586 883180 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Non-deterministic Finite Automaton. What you're calling a Non-deterministic State Automaton. Same concept.
< 1731953603 984131 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh kk
< 1731953605 427878 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1731953609 886033 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :rlly different?????
< 1731953616 302124 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hypocrit
< 1731953618 74899 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
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> 1731953717 715026 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145777&oldid=144513 5* 03Xff 5* (-204) 10/* Backshift */ not a truth machine bruh
< 1731953756 548477 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bye sorry!!!
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