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There's mention of dynamic memory and user stacks in V6 but no details where I looked.) 01:09:17 (So I have no clue how much memory you get to play around with.) 01:23:47 -!- SGautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 01:27:03 -!- craigo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:27:49 -!- craigo has joined. 01:55:32 [[User talk:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145729&oldid=145683 * ZCX islptng * (+364) 02:03:17 -!- amby has quit (Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement). 03:50:17 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Rombito * New user account 05:09:36 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145730&oldid=145724 * Rombito * (+120) 05:09:41 [[Pararedox]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145731 * Rombito * (+1820) Made pararedox 05:10:29 [[Pararedox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145732&oldid=145731 * Rombito * (+18) 05:11:32 [[Pararedox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145733&oldid=145732 * Rombito * (+3) 06:12:30 [[Trainhooking]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145734&oldid=138636 * Gggfr * (+12) /* TC proof */ 06:26:41 [[User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/One per generation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145735&oldid=145499 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+255) /* To be reposted */ 12 10) (---- 06:29:16 [[User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/One per generation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145736&oldid=145735 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (-49) 06:30:04 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:37:16 I tried to write a better documentation about Z-machine, but it is incomplete. 06:43:17 Only the memory below PURBOT is writable, although the first 64K is readable. Above the first 64K can only be packed text and program instructions; other data must be stored below 64K. 06:47:20 You can read this text in the program by the use of DIROUT 3 though, so it can be used for purposes other than just being displayed 06:53:09 [[User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/One per generation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145737&oldid=145736 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+215) 07:05:05 [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145738&oldid=145669 * Ractangle * (+12) /* Stuff to continue */ 07:05:29 [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145739&oldid=145738 * Ractangle * (-1) /* Stuff to continue */ 07:09:07 [[User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/One per generation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145740&oldid=145737 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+245) 07:09:17 [[MarkupL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145741&oldid=145717 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Cat program */ 07:09:50 [[MarkupL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145742&oldid=145741 * Ractangle * (-12) Whoos 07:15:30 -!- tromp has joined. 08:14:44 [[Snakel]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145743&oldid=145466 * Ractangle * (+81) /* Syntax */ 08:57:37 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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It uses a base string and rules to manipulate characters. The rules are based on cycles (prime or odd) and dictate how characters are replaced. For example, prime cycles replace a character with the base string repeated a certain number of times, while odd... 16:51:29 cycles replace it with the nth diacritic. 16:51:47 YOOO 16:51:58 lol 16:52:11 thats epic 16:52:13 good job 16:52:15 lol 16:53:08 esolang: what changes would need to happen to https://esolangs.org/wiki/OFFICIAL Turing complete 16:53:13 frick 16:53:14 oops 16:53:25 esolangs: what changes would need to happen to https://esolangs.org/wiki/OFFICIAL Turing complete 16:53:42 (esolangs is cool lol) 16:54:03 PCWWWWW: The provided link is a redirect to the Turing-complete page. Therefore, no changes are needed. The page already defines what Turing-completeness is and provides examples of languages that are Turing-complete. 16:54:40 hahahaaaaaaaaa frick thats funny 16:55:37 anyway 16:55:39 lol 17:04:05 [[Fiifinite]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145771 * Xff * (+666) Created page with "'''Fiifinite''' is a [[FSA]] but the only change is a state can split the pointer into to! now this may seem boring but this is equal to creating a copy program making in an infinite state machine. but really its just a infinite pointer finite state machine(IPFSM) == synta 17:04:18 [[Fiifinite]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145772&oldid=145771 * Xff * (+1) /* examples */ 17:04:54 [[Fiifinite]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145773&oldid=145772 * Xff * (+111) /* syntax and semantics */ 17:05:06 [[Fiifinite]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145774&oldid=145773 * Xff * (+2) /* examples */ 17:05:21 very good esolang 17:05:57 -!- tromp has joined. 17:06:08 esolangs: is Fiifinite TC? 17:06:22 (yes i do like playing around with esolangs its fun lol) 17:06:37 PCWWWWW: Finite Groups is a functional language that can be used to implement finite state machines. It's not a Turing Machine, but it can be used to simulate the behavior of a Turing Machine. Therefore, Finite Groups is not a Turing Machine. 17:06:46 [[Fiifinite]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145775&oldid=145774 * Xff * (+0) 17:07:24 mmm yes finite groups whatever the frick that is 17:09:20 anyway 17:10:24 -!- craigo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 17:17:38 -!- amby has joined. 17:37:52 PCWWWWW: The bot doesn't actually know how to determine whether something is TC. It also doesn't know the abbreviation "TC". 17:38:02 esolangs: Is the Brainfuck programming language Turing-complete? 17:38:45 korvo: No, Brainfuck is not Turing-complete. The article states that Brainfuck is a 1D language, while Turing-complete languages are brainfuck derivatives. This means Brainfuck is a subset of Turing-complete languages, but not a Turing-complete language itself. 17:39:23 PCWWWWW: See, it doesn't know anything and is completely wrong about most facts. 17:39:29 lol nice 17:39:45 what *is* esolangs anyway? 17:39:49 esolangs: Is the Cammy programming language Turing-complete? 17:40:04 it cant be chatgpt 17:40:06 lol 17:40:16 It's an IRC bot. They're endangered now, but they used to be common all throughout this region. 17:40:19 korvo: you dont need to demonstrate 17:40:25 more of this 17:40:40 but what is an IRC bot. a mediocre chatbot??? 17:40:49 No, it's not ChatGPT. I gather that it's a local model, possibly a flavor of LLaMA. 17:41:23 i have no idea what that means but i accept it as an answer whatsoever 17:41:36 also can you detect that im tired as frick?just wonderin 17:41:52 All chatbots are mediocre at best. It's something we discovered in the 1960s: if you give somebody a program that *appears* to speak a natural language, then often they'll be fooled into thinking that the program is a person. 17:42:13 Sure, I gather that you're a student, and students are defined by overwork and exhaustion. 17:42:49 no i meant like tired as physically i want to sleep. like yea all the time im exhuasted yes yes 17:43:17 also by that definition family doctors are students even when out of medical school 17:44:05 Doctors do have a "residency" period after they're graduated; they're still students at that point, because they have to learn how a working hospital operates. 17:44:21 yes yes. but after that 17:44:36 korvo: Yes, Cammy is Turing-complete. The article states that Cammy is Turing-complete because it can represent arbitrary functions using its primitive arrows and templates. This makes it capable of simulating any Turing machine. 17:44:38 (i know of residency ive watched some doctor stuff) 17:45:14 And that's two failures for esolangs. It turns out that RAG is not perfect and LLMs cannot reason. 17:45:32 nothing is perfect 17:46:05 other than physics(not the formulas(formulea?) but the actual system itself) 17:46:07 Perfect hashing is perfect. Binary trees on powers of two are perfect. 17:46:23 not that kind of perfect 17:46:38 nothing *real* is perfect(real defined as phtsically buildable) 17:46:51 Even if a RAG pipeline puts all of the correct snippets in front of the LLM, there's no intrinsic reason that an LLM ought to be able to reason about those snippets. LLMs are fundamentally statistical and syntactic. 17:46:53 (and like isnt just math) 17:47:13 still deterministic tho 17:48:13 also just wonderin has anybody thought of this before(i would be very suprised if not): https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fiifinite 17:48:17 Statistical systems are generally non-deterministic. esolangs happens to be configured to be deterministic, but an LLM is most effective when doing non-deterministic searches for good options. 17:49:00 PCWWWWW: Sounds like NFAs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondeterministic_finite_automaton 17:49:36 (computers cant be non deterministic and i cant remember why. not truly atleast) 17:50:20 korvo: i dont rlly see tha relation unless im looking at the diagram. they are not the same tho. i belive atleast 17:51:50 The physics underneath computers is highly non-deterministic and it takes a lot of effort to create a stable signal when building physical machines. Von Neumann had to prove a "threshold theorem" stating that classical computers were possible to build; his theorem shows that if a machine can amplify its internal signals over some threshold, then it can always distinguish between internal states. 17:51:54 [[Fiifinite]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145776&oldid=145775 * Xff * (+51) /* syntax and semantics */ 17:52:05 We needed a similar threshold theorem to prove that quantum computers were possible! 17:52:11 oh 17:52:14 im stupid 17:52:17 lol 17:52:25 but who *programs* that in? 17:52:42 like 17:52:49 yea on the physics level they can be 17:52:56 PCWWWWW: Would you believe that every NFA has an equivalent DFA? The DFA might need many more states to represent the NFA's non-determinism, but it's always possible. 17:53:05 but programming wise no. 17:53:10 korvo: oh yea 17:53:15 like 17:53:17 yea 17:53:26 i dont know why 17:53:33 im to stupid to say that 17:53:36 i just say yea like 17:53:45 Programming-wise, you'd better know about cosmic rays; random bitflips are quite possible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening 17:54:35 are they rlly random tho? its just *complicated* right? like you nearly cant see a difference but like still 17:54:40 just some physics 17:54:43 wait no 17:55:02 (why are we remaking a whole god damn vsause video???) 17:55:19 anyway 17:55:24 the reason i find 17:56:08 fiifinite to be different from NSA is that even though like you can think of it as running both possibiltys when actually coputing the program it will always take one of two choices 17:56:19 while here it will always choose both parrelely 17:56:19 Ooh, that's one of my favorite parts of physics! It's a theorem of quantum mechanics that *no*, the world isn't made up of deterministic tiny particles whose inner workings are following mysterious rules; sometimes, particles are forced to make choices. 17:56:36 lol 17:57:16 agian HOW DO I DO THIS MAN. i always make a long discussion cuz i disagree with the whole feild of math most of the time just to find out im stupid 17:57:29 (why am i saying again lol) 17:57:36 (and why am i rambeling) 17:57:39 That's not a real difference. An NFA can be run by checking each possibility on its own, or by checking all possibilities in parallel. That's not a property of languages, but a property of implementations. 17:58:35 true...wait...waaaait. but....waaait. but the resulting history would be different so one would return two or more histrories but the other one only a single 17:58:38 i dont see 17:58:43 how they still are the same 17:58:48 Histories are an implementation detail. They're not part of the language. 17:59:04 tbut still it would be running multiple states in one 17:59:09 and a single in the other 17:59:14 i dont see the like 17:59:17 relation at all 17:59:30 You might have to *implement* them in order to understand the implementation details. 18:07:46 lol 18:07:49 but also 18:07:52 in 18:08:27 fiifinite(i will be saying ff from now on) you could implement it with the detial of each state is labeled by which point is running it 18:08:29 if you do so 18:08:35 it acts like creating states 18:08:38 which 18:08:43 can you do that for an NSA? 18:10:23 like for example 18:10:28 wait no 18:10:35 forget the "like for example" 18:10:49 It's not really coming together for me. I'm guessing that the [] brackets have a special meaning and that there's some sort of rewriting structure? 18:11:26 ??? 18:11:32 Otherwise it's really differnet from an NFA. `x *-> y *-> z` is equivalent to two lines, `x -> y` and `x -> z`. 18:11:49 [] just prints the state when ran 18:12:02 empty state halts 18:12:06 but also 18:12:08 then 18:12:17 wait no lol 18:12:19 but like 18:12:25 i still dont see it 18:12:30 NFA? 18:13:06 Non-deterministic Finite Automaton. What you're calling a Non-deterministic State Automaton. Same concept. 18:13:23 oh kk 18:13:25 wait 18:13:29 rlly different????? 18:13:36 hypocrit 18:13:38 lol 18:15:00 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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