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I thank the GitHub user MaksimKayumov for their advice. 00:44:40 "This repo doesn't 00:44:40 solve Goldbach's conjecture 00:44:40 help solve Goldbach's conjecture, because understanding 25-state turing machine is more difficult than Goldbach's conjecture" 00:44:44 https://github.com/lengyijun/goldbach_tm/blob/main/README.md 00:48:15 [[Windmill]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146024&oldid=146022 * RainbowDash * (+951) update 00:49:25 [[Windmill]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146025&oldid=146024 * RainbowDash * (-398) /* JS implementation */ 00:52:36 -!- amby has quit (Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement). 01:11:42 [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146026&oldid=145421 * ZCX islptng * (+31) /* pifricted? */ new section 01:14:30 [[User talk:Translated ORK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146027&oldid=145984 * ZCX islptng * (+153) /* What is 'Basinite' ? */ new section 01:25:47 [[User:Translated ORK]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=146028 * ZCX islptng * (+28) 01:48:12 [[Windmill]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146029&oldid=146025 * RainbowDash * (+44) /* Defined operators */ 02:06:42 -!- X-Scale has joined. 02:26:37 [[Rnadom]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146030&oldid=134413 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+55) /* polyglot */ 02:27:09 [[Rnadom]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146031&oldid=146030 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+2) /* polyglot */ 02:29:13 [[Rnadom]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146032&oldid=146031 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+27) /* commands */ 02:29:57 [[Rnadom]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146033&oldid=146032 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+25) /* commands */ 02:32:54 [[Rnadom]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146034&oldid=146033 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+35) /* programs */ 02:33:07 [[Rnadom]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146035&oldid=146034 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (-123) /* Read Input forever */ 02:33:13 [[Rnadom]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146036&oldid=146035 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+125) /* polyglot */ 02:40:00 Sgeo: Ooh, nice find, thanks. 03:06:23 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:06:42 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 03:10:27 [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * RainbowDash * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Windmill logo.png]]" 03:11:16 [[Windmill]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146038&oldid=146029 * RainbowDash * (+1) 03:15:18 [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146039&oldid=145519 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+16) /* Cmds */ 03:24:23 [[User talk:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146040&oldid=145690 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+218) /* Polyglot */ new section 04:43:12 [[Talk:Memorial language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146041&oldid=141600 * Yayimhere * (+214) 04:44:33 [[Talk:Memorial language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146042&oldid=146041 * Yayimhere * (+64) 04:49:01 [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146043&oldid=145147 * Yayimhere * (+366) /* Warsides */ 04:57:19 [[User talk:Translated ORK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146044&oldid=146027 * Translated ORK * (+240) 04:58:38 [[User:Translated ORK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146045&oldid=146028 * ZCX islptng * (-10) Removed redirect to [[Translated ORK]] 04:59:37 [[User talk:ZCX islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146046&oldid=145980 * Translated ORK * (+263) /* Pronunciation */ 05:03:03 [[User talk:Translated ORK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146047&oldid=146044 * ZCX islptng * (+152) 05:04:53 [[User talk:ZCX islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146048&oldid=146046 * Translated ORK * (+531) /* Pronunciation */ 05:08:53 [[User talk:Translated ORK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146049&oldid=146047 * Translated ORK * (+208) 05:19:46 -!- wWwwW has joined. 05:20:24 [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146050&oldid=146043 * Yayimhere * (+412) /* Warsides */ 05:20:37 [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146051&oldid=146050 * Yayimhere * (-412) /* on the topic of the qoute and formatting of "aLMOsT EvEryONe" */ 05:20:55 [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146052&oldid=146051 * Yayimhere * (+41) /* on the topic of the qoute and formatting of "aLMOsT EvEryONe" */ 05:46:05 [[User:ZCX islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146053&oldid=145255 * ZCX islptng * (+1157) 06:46:51 [[User:ZCX islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146054&oldid=146053 * Translated ORK * (+16) 07:31:06 [[CharLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146055&oldid=146019 * 5anz * (+139) 07:33:52 [[User talk:Translated ORK]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146056&oldid=146049 * Iddi01 * (+364) this is getting more and more confusing 08:13:02 [[User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/One per generation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146057&oldid=145957 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+101) Rule recently found by "islptng" 08:38:11 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:39:36 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 08:51:46 -!- __monty__ has joined. 09:02:07 -!- X-Scale has quit (Quit: Client closed). 09:06:15 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:11:53 -!- ais523 has joined. 09:40:00 -!- zenmov_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:52:18 -!- tromp has joined. 11:01:23 [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146058&oldid=146026 * PrySigneToFry * (+825) 11:13:01 [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again-Duoviginte]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=146059 * PrySigneToFry * (+1320) Created page with "ORK: Translated ORK/Mihai Again20|k|Y.wx=>:?Q7Bs*4Y[78?KN:#L F????T)oZ@5D??4fyk?&rlw4|?wCOE????%??R?!??/f{fq??3H?b@JC? :l?..." 11:44:18 Hi 11:54:06 [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146060&oldid=146058 * Ractangle * (+197) /* */ 11:54:45 [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146061&oldid=146060 * Ractangle * (+1) /* */ 11:58:07 [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146062&oldid=146006 * Ractangle * (+21) 12:05:04 [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146063&oldid=146061 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (-198) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/146061|146061]] by [[Special:Contributions/Ractangle|Ractangle]] ([[User talk:Ractangle|talk]]) 12:09:17 -!- Noisytoot has quit (Excess Flood). 12:11:28 -!- Noisytoot has joined. 12:39:22 -!- Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.9.1 - https://znc.in). 12:40:59 -!- Noisytoot has joined. 12:56:21 [[8ial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146064&oldid=142545 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Truth-machine */ 12:56:46 [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146065&oldid=145777 * Ractangle * (+0) /* 8ial */ 12:57:59 [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146066&oldid=146063 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+284) /* ? */ 13:15:44 [[User talk:ZCX islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146067&oldid=146048 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+206) /* Pronunciation */ 13:16:48 [[User talk:ZCX islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146068&oldid=146067 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+245) /* Pronunciation */ 13:17:21 [[Talk:Segmentation Fault]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=146069 * 5anz * (+84) Created page with "eror. ~~~~5anz" 13:17:46 [[Talk:Segmentation Fault]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146070&oldid=146069 * 5anz * (+2) 13:18:49 [[User talk:ZCX islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146071&oldid=146068 * Translated ORK * (+101) 13:28:20 [[User talk:ZCX islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146072&oldid=146071 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (-2807) Now I must get the admin to ban me.) (---- 13:30:31 [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146073&oldid=145969 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+293) /* I got hacked again */ new section 14:00:20 -!- craigo has joined. 14:18:31 [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146074&oldid=146073 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+250) /* I got hacked again */ 14:36:21 -!- zenmov has joined. 14:36:57 -!- zenmov_ has joined. 14:43:08 -!- zenmov has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:43:09 -!- zenmov_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:11:30 -!- amby has joined. 15:35:53 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:38:45 -!- wWwwW has quit (Quit: Client closed). 15:52:56 -!- wWwwW has joined. 15:53:54 hey i have a "problem" 15:54:31 a lot of general purpos questions are put in ais523 's page and i would guess he finds tht annoying 15:54:43 so we should on wiki have an easy to accses place to ask this 15:54:50 like wikipedias teahouse 16:00:31 [[User talk:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146075&oldid=145484 * * (+25) 16:01:17 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146076&oldid=146075 * Yayimhere * (+98) 16:12:21 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146077&oldid=146076 * * (+95) 16:14:03 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146078&oldid=146077 * Yayimhere * (+157) 16:16:20 [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146079&oldid=143105 * * (+631) 16:17:09 [[User talk:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146080&oldid=146078 * * (+197) 16:17:32 [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146081&oldid=146079 * Yayimhere * (+81) 16:17:35 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146082&oldid=146080 * * (+9) 16:17:45 [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146083&oldid=146081 * Yayimhere * (-630) 16:18:53 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146084&oldid=146082 * * (+26) 16:19:02 wWwwW: That's the supplicatory model, and it's not a healthy way to run a commmunity. 16:19:02 [[O()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146085&oldid=144280 * Yayimhere * (+205) /* other commands */ 16:19:13 [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146086&oldid=146062 * Ractangle * (+308) 16:19:40 ? im kinda confused. its unhealthy to have a main discussion place on the wiki? 16:21:14 wWwwW: Well, first, *yes*, wikis aren't chat forums. But more importantly, yes, it's unhealthy for a community to primarily get answers to questions by begging an authority for a response. 16:21:37 Moreover, it sounds like you think that somebody else has a problem, and that's not the same thing as having a problem yourself. 16:21:49 yea. and thats why we should have *somewhere else* to do it? 16:22:10 You're currently connected to the official IRC chat channel for the wiki. 16:22:24 yes yes but not all ppl can be for whatever 16:22:43 [[O()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146087&oldid=146085 * * (+106) 16:23:14 [[O()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146088&oldid=146087 * * (-8) 16:24:08 That's already a problem; Mediawiki isn't fully accessible, particularly for the visually impaired, and we don't have a style guide, let alone a style guide which promotes accessibility. 16:24:10 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146089&oldid=146084 * Ractangle * (+297) 16:25:01 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146090&oldid=146089 * * (-84) 16:25:53  i mean for IRC. does IRC have visually impaired accses? 16:26:07 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146091&oldid=146090 * Ractangle * (+249) /* the charecter looks like x riding a skateboard when viewed on a phone */ new section 16:26:27 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146092&oldid=146091 * Ractangle * (-81) 16:26:42 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146093&oldid=146092 * Ractangle * (-8) 16:27:05 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146094&oldid=146093 * Ractangle * (+1) 16:27:46 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146095&oldid=146094 * Yayimhere * (+130) 16:28:00 Yes, and I know several blind folks on IRC. (I'm technically not blind, although sometimes it sure feels like it.) 16:28:12 ok 16:28:33 IRC may be simple and bare, but that's precisely what makes it flexible and reliable. 16:28:54 but theres still ppl who cantr for other reasons. but wutever. bu8t then atleast we should point out that the talk page of ais isnt the main place for discussion 16:29:01 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146096&oldid=146095 * * (+47) 16:29:10 -!- zenmov has joined. 16:29:11 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146097&oldid=146096 * * (-1) 16:29:23 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146098&oldid=146097 * * (+1) 16:29:34 -!- zenmov_ has joined. 16:29:40 wWwwW: They already know that. Talk pages of admins are generally busy places because admins are the only people who can carry out certain tasks. 16:29:55 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146099&oldid=146098 * Yayimhere * (+30) 16:30:01 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146100&oldid=146099 * Ractangle * (+166) 16:30:18 (Also, no, I'm not biting the strawman that some folks prefer Discord to IRC. When Discord publishes an open protocol and explains why they ban people, then maybe they can be considered as an inferior alternative.) 16:30:31 wait whut. but theres a lot of stuff like "are you allowed to be under 13 here" 16:30:41 wutever 16:31:00 You're not allowed to be under 13 on the USA's portion of the Internet unless you fill out a bunch of paperwork. 16:31:09 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146101&oldid=146100 * * (+78) 16:31:24 Since 1998, children are banned by default for their own safety: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act 16:31:28 yea yea but it should be like here or IRC right? 16:31:45 [[User talk:]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146102&oldid=146101 * * (+1) 16:32:19 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146103&oldid=146102 * Yayimhere * (+128) 16:32:24 I'm not sure how Libera Chat (this IRC network's operator) is incorporated, but it's likely that they can't allow children to connect. 16:32:41 no 16:32:42 i mean 16:32:49 shouldnt ppl ask that like here 16:34:06 Honestly, it's not a sincere question; anybody asking it is already trying to work around a policy that they don't fully understand. 16:34:15 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146104&oldid=146103 * Ractangle * (+235) 16:34:24 yea yea but its just and example 16:35:10 Libera Chat is a Swedish nonprofit, for the record. 16:35:15 Normally I'd say "be bold", following https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold but I don't think our contributors lack for boldness. 16:36:20 fizzie: Ah, excellent, thanks. 16:39:00 [[Esolasagna]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=146105 * * (+547) Created page with "Esolasagna is an esolang based entirely on Garfield quotes. == Syntax == The code is divided into days, starting on any day, and halting on Monday. All commands must be in uppercase. == Commands == {| class="wikitable" |+ All Commands |- | EAT YOUR HEART OUT, (person). || Se 16:39:41 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146106&oldid=146104 * * (+68) 16:40:02 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146107&oldid=146106 * * (+23) 16:40:29 so we should on wiki have an easy to accses place to ask this ← it's supposed to be Esolang talk:Community portal, but I think people have forgotten what a community portal is nowadays 16:40:48 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146108&oldid=146107 * Ractangle * (+175) 16:40:54 yea. maybe we should make it more clear 16:40:55 ? 16:41:03 korvo: we do have the be bold rule, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Policy 16:41:19 ah no, wrong link 16:41:24 https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:About 16:41:43 ah no, it's on its own page: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Be_bold_in_editing_pages 16:42:00 we should really fix the polucy namespace some day 16:42:23 fwiw, I think Esolang would benefit from a rule against *acting like* you're under 13… 16:42:35 (which is quite different from being under 13) 16:42:40 do i? 16:42:50 no 16:42:58 phew 16:42:59 [[Br greater than]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=146109 * Ractangle * (+37) Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=br>}}{{lowercase}}" 16:43:12 [[Esolang:Be bold in editing pages]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146110&oldid=8276 * Corbin * (+29) Bluelink to WP:BOLD. 16:44:04 [[Br greater than]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146111&oldid=146109 * Ractangle * (+70) 16:44:49 but yes, too much boldness is more of a problem than lack of boldness at the moment 16:45:16 wWwwW: Note that the community portal is among the left-hand links; you can reach it from any other wiki page. There's lots of useful tools in the left-hand pane. 16:45:57 another wiki I'm on used their community portal to decide to move the community to an entirely different side, as they were fed up with the ownership of the current one 16:46:02 [[0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146112&oldid=142063 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+23) /* Implementations */ 16:46:09 [[0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146113&oldid=146112 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+1) /* Txet */ 16:48:17 [[Br greater than]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146114&oldid=146111 * Ractangle * (+242) 16:49:41 -!- zenmov has changed hostmask to ~zenmov@user/zenmov. 16:50:58 i wanted to make an esolang where you cna only copy data 16:51:10 but is still tc? 16:51:30 [[Br greater than]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146115&oldid=146114 * Ractangle * (+11) 16:54:12 there are already copy-only esolangs that are TC 16:54:16 https://esolangs.org/wiki/MiniMAX is one of mine 16:54:37 dammit 16:54:45 [[Category:Reversible computing]] is what you want. 16:55:02 ??? 16:55:20 korvo: copy-only doesn't necessarily mean reversible – MiniMAX isn't 16:55:31 well now im sad 16:56:02 wWwwW: that doesn't mean you can't make one of your own 16:56:03 somebody abandoned me oout of nowhere and i cant come up with anything no music no esolangs 16:56:06 "you can only do one thing" esolangs are often interesting 16:56:15 yea but like 16:56:25 if its already been done ill just come up with a bad versiobn 16:56:45 MiniMAX is one of my very first esolangs, it's quite a bit worse than the others in some ways 16:56:46 [[Rnadom]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146116&oldid=146036 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+0) /* polyglot */ 16:56:49 e.g. it's a bit inelegant 16:57:02 [[Rnadom]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146117&oldid=146116 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+6) /* polyglot */ 16:58:34 ais523: Good point. 16:59:00 I tend to think of reversible esolangs as having primitives like xor-in-place 17:00:12 like my idea would just be this: 17:00:12 all data is bytes 17:00:13 theres a single function \x.(x x) 17:00:13 represented in bytes 17:00:14 you use it to copy byte data and then smth happens ig 17:00:52 the trick with that is to work out what happens 17:01:09 yea 17:01:57 ig that some sequence of bytes do smth to the next one 17:02:24 like 17:02:32 -!- zenmov_ has quit (Quit: leaving). 17:02:33 -!- zenmov has quit (Quit: leaving). 17:02:51 -!- zenmov has joined. 17:03:23 ok 17:03:27 here my idea 17:03:32 -!- zenmov has changed hostmask to ~zenmov@user/zenmov. 17:04:22 theres bytes 17:04:25 of data 17:04:29 a sort of stream 17:04:52 then the first byte is put into the duplicate function and the result is add to the end of the program 17:05:52 theres brackets which puts the content into the function then evaluates that program as a sub program and the result is moved to the back of the program in brackets 17:06:18 the program loops until 3 bytes come up right next to each other and are copies 17:06:19 idk 17:06:22 this is a bad idea 17:06:24 i know it 17:06:30 im so bad at ideas :[ 17:06:51 You were doing really well up until that last line. 17:07:00 yea 17:07:02 wait rlly 17:07:16 idk what to do when it comes to halting 17:07:18 "this is a bad idea," sure. Most ideas are bad. "i know [that this is a bad idea]," good. Self-awareness, reflection, openness to change and learning. 17:07:39 "i'm so bad at ideas" is the Fundamental Attribution Error, a common fallacy. 17:07:41 you need to go through lots of bad ideas to reach the good ideas, and even then you probably won't get the best version first time 17:07:55 true 17:08:10 im just sad that i cant com e up with good ones 17:08:19 like name one esolang ive made that was a good idea 17:09:16 I don't know what it's called; you haven't invented it yet, because it's around a decade in the future, after you go to university. 17:09:30 Maybe there will be other good ideas sooner, but that's the statistical expectation. 17:09:48 yea im still just disappointed in myself 17:10:42 Only because you expect too much of yourself. 17:10:47 i do? 17:10:50 -!- zenmov has quit (Quit: leaving). 17:11:05 -!- zenmov has joined. 17:11:19 Well, how many programming languages do you expect a teenager to make? How many of them do you expect to be good? 17:11:33 well ive seen a lot 17:11:39 cant remember which 17:11:56 -!- zenmov has changed hostmask to ~zenmov@user/zenmov. 17:12:53 I can't think of any. The languages that I use daily were crafted by academics or working professionals, folks with years of experience writing code, usually who were specialized in HCI (human-computer interfaces) or linguistics or teaching. 17:15:01 As for meaningful art, I think of languages like Qalb https://nas.sr/%D9%82%D9%84%D8%A8/ whose author was like 19 or 20 when they first published it, and it's wholly syntax with no new semantics. 17:15:42 I grew to appreciate interesting syntax more as time went on 17:15:49 well 17:15:52 help plz 17:15:57 with like the halting condition 17:15:57 for ages I thought only semantics mattered, then I saw what the codegolfers got up to, where syntax can be quite important 17:16:53 I can appreciate syntax at an artistic level, but semantics, pragmatics, robotics/cybernetics, code structure and organization, collaboration techniques, licensing and legality; all are more important to me than syntax. 17:17:32 Syntax mostly matters because it corresponds to the data that computers can exchange. If we don't care about that, then we get XML instead of JSON. 17:18:46 wWwwW: I continue to think that you should work on the fundamentals of programming. It will help you think about the structures that an interpreter would have, which will help you imagine what a language can do. 17:19:14 i have no good srouces for anything 17:19:20 [[2 bytes :^)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146118&oldid=108704 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+109) /* Interpreter */ 17:19:52 ...I could be wrong about this. I was trained to play the piano, which meant years of scales, then years of etudes, then years of prepared works, before I was allowed to play expressive jazz solos. And that was from ages 5-15, which is an earlier time window than for learning to program. 17:20:24 [[User talk:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146119&oldid=146040 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+5) /* Polyglot */ 17:20:39 ? 17:20:57 wWwwW: I think we may have linked you the official Python tutorial: https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/ There are so many problems with Python, but a lack of sources is not one of them. 17:21:29 i mean for other things that python cuz i dont feel like i learn anything new 17:21:33 at this point 17:22:03 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 17:23:40 wWwwW: Go read or write a Brainfuck interpreter, your choice. If that language is too hard, go read or write a DIVSPL interpreter. If you get stuck, you can ask for help; the goal is to get a little better at either reading or writing code. 17:23:59 k 17:24:21 wait i forgot a detail 17:24:22 If you've already written an interpreter, I happen to have spare time on this blessed Friday and I will review your code. 17:25:04 how do you change a single idnex of a list (i am finding out im stupid) 17:25:45 https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/introduction.html#lists 17:27:14 god im so stupid 17:28:27 No, you're overconfident and using self-deprecation as a way of avoiding change. You said that you "don't feel like [you] learn anything new", but also you could learn from the first page of the tutorial that you've been linked multiple times. 17:28:56 For what it's worth, I know that the language barrier is real, and I'd link you to the Danish version of the tutorial if I could find it. 17:28:59 yea but like ive already red it. also i dont wan to waste the money 17:29:06 my parents use n like 17:29:11 the course im taking 17:30:02 There's no waste in learning from multiple sources. Your course won't be wasted just because you read the official tutorial. 17:30:30 well if i can learne evrything from there then it would be wasted 17:32:15 Programming is one of those disciplines where you'll have to learn everything all over again anyway. There's always an opportunity to learn more by re-reading. 17:32:53 There's a Perlis about this, from https://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/perlis-alan/quotes.html: "Systems have sub-systems and sub-systems have sub- systems and so on ad infinitum - which is why we're always starting over." 17:33:23 and ive also made a recursive interpreter:] 17:33:35 ...That should be "sub-sub-systems". An infinite level of detail to consider, an infinite tower of interpreters to stack on top of one another, an infinite path of languages and commands and APIs, etc. 17:35:50 bye 17:39:32 Peace. 17:40:22 -!- tromp has joined. 17:51:48 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 18:00:55 There's another relevant Perlis: "It goes against the grain of modern education to teach children to program. What fun is there in making plans, acquiring discipline in organizing thoughts, devoting attention to detail and learning to be self-critical?" 18:24:39 -!- tromp has joined. 18:30:01 [[Subtle cough]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146120&oldid=30936 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+29) /* Calculation of operator table */ 18:36:13 does BytePusher count as copy-only? 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I'm [[User:5anz]]. This Esolang is about making errors (known as erors here) intentionally, since there are no real control flow options (If this then that, Do this until this condition is met, etc.) other than EROR:. 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ZZZzzz…). 23:03:55 JVM language with rust-style .unwrap() and ?, but they apply to exceptions 23:05:58 (this is a terrible idea, but that's what makes it #esolangs :p) 23:09:07 for a previous job I basically had to write a wrapper that turned JVM exceptions into a Rust Option and back again, so that they could be sent over the network 23:38:15 -!- __monty__ has quit (Quit: leaving). 23:41:11 [[MIRROR]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=146172&oldid=134213 * Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff * (+32) /* Interpreter */ 23:51:51 ouch 23:53:32 -!- Everything has quit (Quit: leaving).