< 1730419226 2088 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But it would make golfing https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-balanced-stacker.html harder :) < 1730419229 635391 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is why it's high, it'd be easier to priority merge two belts that carry fixed shapes < 1730419270 706127 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what the heck is that contraption? < 1730419307 645663 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a perfectly synchronized stacker from my MAM design < 1730419351 950700 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :woa < 1730419422 420323 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :give me a moment, I'm trying to trace those belts through those woven opposite tunnels still < 1730419528 601469 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm sure you've seen this before, but that was 2 years ago :) < 1730419635 63191 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730419645 11938 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hah, the second image isn't right. I never noticed. < 1730419694 757476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The two inputs are supposed to cross over to the other side.) < 1730419708 49274 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, I think I can kind of see how this might work < 1730419723 264446 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it's crazy and fragile if you use it that way < 1730419769 968577 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, splitters are deterministic. And yes, my MAM is fragile. < 1730419791 612812 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in particular, do the outputs form the eight stackers never get into each other's way such that it causes buffering at a stacker and queueing up before its inputs? < 1730419815 241062 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tree-mam/#control "When this inevitably goes wrong while experimenting with various timings, synchronization will be compromised. In this case, it is enough to clear all belts in the MAM to return to a pristine state." < 1730419826 851787 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you only have a few shapes of leeway until the output of a splitter is blocked and the careful alternation breaks < 1730419841 279877 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right < 1730419842 265943 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a tiny output buffer < 1730419923 278016 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :As long as you feed the /exact/ same number of items on both sides it'll work perfectly. Unless you save and restore the game with production in progress... that'll wreak havoc on the machine. < 1730419943 801751 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Which is why my control area has an on/off button) < 1730419987 756888 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have an on-off button for the MAM too, but not for that reason < 1730420017 247737 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I put it there mostly in case I want to edit the museum contraption without losing a freeplay shape < 1730420050 851929 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and because it's easy enough to add < 1730420066 429440 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like one button and one transistor < 1730420136 434135 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's actually a bit tricky for me because I have to let the previous production cycle complete before switching everything off; switching things off mid production run would destroy the balance. < 1730420143 433088 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or synchronization < 1730420157 365042 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, because of the splitters < 1730420161 575162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I forgot that that was the term I settled on when describing the MAM) < 1730420246 664042 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you want to build that kind of crazy contraption synchronized such that you count every single item, you can do it in Factorio too by the way < 1730420277 519821 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might not be the most practical thing to do, but there's a big enoguh community that does all sorts of esoteric things in Factorio < 1730420284 490439 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is kind of cool given that the game is so much messier. < 1730420295 373276 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :inclusing a whole Discord named "Technical Factorio" < 1730420315 492754 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, but save and load saves and loads all the state properly < 1730420351 313825 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or at least more of the state than shapez.io; technically it needn't save all state of certain mods < 1730420383 789856 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah the fact that *that* doesn't work properly in shapez.io is kind of embarrassing. I've seen mention of a mod that fixes this, by somebody who works on shapez.io TAS runs, which makes a lot of sense. :) < 1730420411 508734 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't save the link. < 1730420494 658295 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do know what state is missing though... it's the one-item output buffer of producers, and the up-to-two (IIRC) pending "charges" of production buildings. < 1730420498 327799 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice < 1730420655 895947 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Factorio is forced to handle save-loads properly because it's built to work as a multiplayer network game with the state perfectly synchronized across clients. < 1730420692 766591 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Detecting a single belt item is tricky in shapez.io btw. The problem with the filter+storage combination is that it traps an item, and you detect an item, the previous item is released. < 1730420717 799057 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, multiplayer will force you to properly serialize all relevant state. < 1730420815 837543 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I find it technically pretty impressive that they have both synchronized network play and a good modding system built into the same game engine (even if mods need to support network play when they do certain things, because the game core carefully does all its computations deterministically, but mods can do things that aren't deterministic and then that breaks across network play) < 1730420836 431713 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's *much* harder than just having two games, one with synchronized network play and one with a mod system < 1730420918 765645 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it's not just a theoretical proof of concept demo of this, players are actively using multiplayer and impressive modding things and both are optimized well and give a good player experience > 1730420956 10912 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PyFuck (kuangkzh)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144716&oldid=144686 5* 03ShirAko 5* (+42) 10changed link for hello world < 1730420969 907149 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if they were less insane they'd never have added network multi-headed gameplay > 1730421105 943557 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PyFuck (kuangkzh)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144717&oldid=144716 5* 03ShirAko 5* (-42) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/144716|144716]] by [[Special:Contributions/ShirAko|ShirAko]] ([[User talk:ShirAko|talk]]) > 1730422165 103283 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PyFuck (shirAko)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144718&oldid=144679 5* 03ShirAko 5* (+1) 10small correction < 1730426407 353245 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1730426434 556365 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1730435988 94414 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there object identifiers for geodetic reference systems (e.g. WGS84, NAD83, etc)? > 1730437133 566734 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07914]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144719&oldid=144709 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+10) 10 > 1730442982 788927 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Superstitionfreeblog14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144720&oldid=144557 5* 03Superstitionfreeblog 5* (+7391) 10 > 1730443939 221929 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ZCX islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144721&oldid=143526 5* 03Superstitionfreeblog 5* (+216) 10 > 1730444391 234992 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Subleq14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144722&oldid=143517 5* 03Superstitionfreeblog 5* (+422) 10 > 1730444488 928657 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Superstitionfreeblog14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144723&oldid=144720 5* 03Superstitionfreeblog 5* (+1) 10/* Subleq8: My 8 bit subleq interpreter source code */ < 1730446110 641588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1730447099 38034 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1730447169 990891 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1730447257 149827 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs : /me is thinking idly about bfjoust interpreter optimizations < 1730447273 211895 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1730447277 852118 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :After ais mentioned it, I think it's very practical to do. (In a language suited to slightly more advanced compiler code, anyways) < 1730447378 810842 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :Any segment that runs entirely instructions from the following set can be a "clear loop": [ + - . { < 1730447413 131411 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :That segment effectively has no means to exit unless: A) the timer expires, B) the current cell is set to zero. < 1730447434 641506 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :if both bots are in such a segment, the entire resolution can be fast forwarded. < 1730447521 592876 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :Should be able to fast forward the match by hundreds of cycles at a time in .... any practical match, tbh. < 1730447693 275003 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :It'd be bounded by two things: The maximum length of time each "fast-forwardable segment" can execute for before it branches due to e.g. an offset clear, and the cell it's on actually reaching 0 so that while loops can be entered/exited.. < 1730447711 527943 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :Notably this works even if the two bots are on the same cell. < 1730447740 948024 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can still find a movement rate for e.g. (+)*-1 fighting [+.] > 1730447743 622604 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144724&oldid=144550 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+757) 10FROSTWIRE-666 is growing on me. I want to extract a usable fixed point combinator from , but Python is not the best tool for it.. < 1730447802 954813 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730448378 351215 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] iddi01 < 1730448436 782288 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest beta https://www.paste.org/flat/128387 < 1730448437 965648 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.beta: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 < 1730448516 692255 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :d a m n  p a s t e . o  r g  d o n ' t  w o r k < 1730448548 479183 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another observation: there exists a "time before first interaciton" in every BFJoust match. < 1730448580 460212 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :Before either bot reaches the furthest cell the other bot has reached. < 1730448628 268452 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can run e.g. tape 10 up to that point, save the state, then when doing tape 10, insert a cell in between from the saved state, as the bots bascially have yet to determine the tape length. Furthermore, you can transfer the first cycles of the normal polarity to the polarity flipped on the same principle. < 1730448640 792630 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you add cycle advantage as a configuration, you apply the same principle for that too. < 1730448674 145815 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :In the extreme case, this can determine that two flag defenders will XXXXXXXX after one round. < 1730448740 519220 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :These two techniques combined should skip a significant portion of the mid/endgame for fast-forwarding loops and a significant portion of the earlygame (when there's no pokes involved) for the time before first interaction metric. < 1730448837 818003 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest beta https://pastebin.com/raw/4Wtf25Zz < 1730448838 161304 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.beta: points 9.74, score 31.02, rank 5/47 < 1730448850 88154 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust beta https://pastebin.com/raw/4Wtf25Zz < 1730448850 539486 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.beta: points 9.74, score 31.02, rank 5/47 > 1730449152 97368 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144725&oldid=144576 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+835) 10/* complete basis? */ links for future reference < 1730449214 244367 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730449563 351072 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest77 < 1730449634 26688 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does anybody know why APL has all thewierd symbols?(i need tisfor an esolang) < 1730449688 794890 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest77: in the early days of programming the choice of character sets wasn't really fixed, so all languages were in a way using weird symbols < 1730449706 908714 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1730449717 374904 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and APL came up with a descriptive set for its own use because, with no standard set, it might as well < 1730449723 268742 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1730449730 560213 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust another_rush_program < 1730449730 599920 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.another_rush_program: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-36) < 1730449745 452565 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wat bout jelly? < 1730449755 364474 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730449757 77321 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust beta https://pastebin.com/raw/4Wtf25Zz < 1730449757 456954 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.beta: points 11.74, score 33.84, rank 4/47 (--) < 1730449789 358150 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Jelly's character set was chosen to be easy to type < 1730449801 947385 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :easytotype? < 1730449805 399181 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's quite hard to come up with 256 characters that are all typeable < 1730449811 295385 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they arent even qwertytho < 1730449818 155245 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :alsobye < 1730449821 100483 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill checklogs < 1730449827 12707 :Guest77!~Guest77@2.109.102.69 QUIT :Client Quit < 1730449832 34987 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are keyboard layouts which use altgr like a second shift key, to give four symbols per key < 1730449839 78821 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust another_rush_program (>)*8-----<<(+)*23<<(-)*33<<(+)*65>(+)*33<<(-)*44<(-)*21>>[(>)*9(>[+[+[--[-[-[(-[{(+)*26(+[{(+)*92(+.)*24(>(+)*116(+.)*24)*-1}])%25}])%23]]]]]])*25]<<(---+)*-1 < 1730449839 179869 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.another_rush_program: points 5.12, score 25.22, rank 11/47 (+36) < 1730449849 644792 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. the a key produces a A æ Æ with no modifier, shift, altgr, and altgr-shift > 1730449855 148589 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144726&oldid=144725 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+257) 10/* complete basis? */ B combinator lulz < 1730449894 285475 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :altgr-j is a prefix that produces ả,ɓ,ƈ, etc., which is why Jelly uses a lot of symbols like that < 1730449908 485764 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :clearly if you need a quick 256 character encoding, just use kanji. It's easy to type. :^) < 1730449920 674899 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :altgr-/ is underdot, ạḅḍẹ < 1730449929 798329 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :altgr-shift-/ is overdot, ȧḃḋė < 1730449954 554932 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lymia: over the last couple of days I have been trying to find a kanji input method I like < 1730450027 536584 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been considering creating my own, designed for trying to input ideograms that you could only see from a distance or at a small font size and can't make out all the details, and also don't know the language < 1730450053 184134 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :LOL < 1730450094 675275 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also I have taken an unusual approach by attempting to learn written Chinese ideograms and written Japanese ideograms simultaneously – there is so much overlap that it makes more sense to learn the character and how it differs in the two languages, than to try to learn it separately) > 1730450324 975603 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144727&oldid=144726 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+21) 10/* complete basis? */ link to specific section of that long SKI page < 1730450831 8592 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whoops, β ranked first in traditional scoring. did that count as topping the hill? < 1730450870 167863 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are different senses of topping < 1730450914 143068 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean the sense that the BF joust champions page uses < 1730450941 898372 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's intentionally a bit vague, and I don't think this situation's come up before < 1730450959 514988 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, back when there were two working hills you'd just submit to the hill that used the scoring you'd need < 1730451005 5820 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think being #1 in any major scoring system is probably good enough to add to the article, assuming that you didn't get there via excessive overfitting – it's a high bar to reach < 1730451085 887397 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, β doesn't include any special-case code at all < 1730451186 955451 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the strategy seems innovative enough < 1730451199 547020 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is mildly reminiscent of growth2 but there are significant differences < 1730451352 964969 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's the sort of program for which the champions page would gain from an explanation > 1730453017 870479 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust champions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144728&oldid=144605 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+1703) 10A new only-in-traditional-scoring champion < 1730453383 300487 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1730453632 647061 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.22.222 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1730453644 211424 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1730454222 641156 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust champions14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144729&oldid=144728 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+41) 10/* 2024 */ The wiggle for the third step is actually smaller < 1730457102 909051 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1730457668 519942 :spiderella!izabera@user/meow/izabera NICK :isabella > 1730457827 306209 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EsoInterpreters14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144730&oldid=144658 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+1735) 10Added Stringle, Exechars and Execode > 1730457983 141602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck/Esointerpreters14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144731&oldid=144465 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+34) 10/* See also*/ Added link to Esointerpreters page > 1730461322 153015 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Gift14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144732&oldid=141099 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+276) 10 > 1730461739 144411 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Slink14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144733 5* 033cxpy 5* (+2857) 10Create the "Slink" page > 1730461958 421030 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Slink14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144734&oldid=144733 5* 033cxpy 5* (+50) 10 < 1730462209 943715 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1730462486 631330 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Slink14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144735&oldid=144734 5* 033cxpy 5* (+13) 10 < 1730463142 943256 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730463950 443664 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.123.189 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730464189 33677 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1730464622 933348 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :“there are keyboard layouts which use altgr like a second shift key, to give four symbols per key” => the hungarian layouts on Windows use altgr (or control-alt) as a second shift key giving *three* symbols per key. for example, altgr+j gives í and altgre+i gives Í, altgr+a gives ä and iirc altgr+s gives Ä, altgr+comma gives semicolon, altgr+z gives greater-than, etc. all ascii characters are < 1730464628 963531 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :available on one of the three layers, and there are also some altgr combinations that give an accent that tries to modify the following letter that you type. < 1730464803 360310 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW > 1730464827 580356 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ChuckEsoteric08/Interpreters14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144736&oldid=144692 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+0) 10/* SHITS in CDILOI */ < 1730464834 263601 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nope, incorrect, it's altgr+e that gives Ä < 1730464834 411600 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx for the help ais523!(yes i was guest77) > 1730464840 57347 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SHITS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144737&oldid=144654 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-1) 10/* In CDILOI */ < 1730464873 337377 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are only four lowercase-uppercase pairs directly on the altgr layer though < 1730464941 863670 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just three layers would be rather silly if there had to be more > 1730465323 355224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144738&oldid=144727 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+134) 10/* complete basis? */ < 1730465489 389042 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest77: APL evolved from a notation that could be used to write about mathematics and not necessarily computer code. the first computer-executable versions of APL were designed to be used on a Selectric electromechanical typewriter used as serial terminal, very popular in America at the time. the Selectrics use a replacable ball-shaped type with 88 or 96 glyphs per ball, so APL on it used a custom ball < 1730465495 392495 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that has a custom set of symbols, and a lot of extra symbols were made from combining two symbols backspacing, which is why there are combinations. then some later APLs kept those same symbols even in such contexts where such backspacing to combine two symbols wasn't available anymore, as in video terminals. < 1730465510 961763 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can ping me for Guest77 k > 1730465532 467132 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144739&oldid=144738 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+57) 10/* complete basis? */ < 1730465642 860286 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I don't think even all 88 glyphs were used, I think maybe only 80-something were available if they used a 5-bit serial tty rather than 7-bit or 8-bit, which is why there were so many overstruck characters < 1730465654 119058 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but maybe the did use a 7-bit or 8-bit tty, I don't know < 1730465668 121653 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also < 1730465670 960332 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what about like < 1730465672 5465 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the < 1730465680 827738 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :UIUA and all those APL likes < 1730465684 957968 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why did they adopt it < 1730465747 542351 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is "UIUA"? < 1730465766 175350 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that stack based lang < 1730465770 73091 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think its UIUA < 1730465803 380704 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tis ting: https://www.uiua.org/ < 1730466014 629341 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :incidentally the IBM Selectric series is such an advanced machine for its time that it's quite amazing how they could mass-produce it and adopt it in many places. it's almost non-existent here in Europe, I've never seen one in person (except for one Selectric behind glass in a museum cabinet that was exhibited in a way that all you could see is a fancy plastic chasis and a keyboard), so I was wondering < 1730466021 110225 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for a while if it's a machine that was just an american hoax (and possibly expensive prototype machine) propagated to convince the SU of the west's technological superiority, but then later a service manual and some disassembly videos turned up on the internet, so now I'm pretty sure at least two of the three generations did actually exist < 1730466142 874939 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1730466270 223986 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, almost none of the APL symbols are actually weird, all of them are clearly either symbols used before APL, or simple geometric shapes (small center circle, large circle, bottom _|_, top ~|~, delta, nabla, large rectangle, multiplication sign ×, six-pointed star) or overstruck combinations of them (bottom+small circle, top+small circle, vertical bar+nabla => pine, rectangle+comma => system, < 1730466276 214074 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :minus+colon => division, large circle+six-pointed star => log) < 1730466330 798105 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then some of the later invented symbols use a diaresis/umlaut combined with symbols < 1730466345 589909 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ig < 1730466399 61955 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :many of the symbols are *unique*, first used for APL, but none of them really are weird other than maybe the rectangle+comma < 1730466490 287427 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe the division sign ÷ isn't actually composed because there's also a domino symbol which is division+large rectangle < 1730466618 167662 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no idea which symbols are old and which ones were added later though < 1730466671 587526 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the variant that I'm most familiar with is semi-old versions of J, which is an APL that uses ascii symbols only and was designed by the late Ken Iverson himself together with Roger Hui < 1730466700 524530 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we had a bunch of IRC bots evaluating it for a while but none of them are alive anymore and it isn't likely that there'll be any more < 1730466715 817607 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one of the main drawbacks why I don't like J though is the large number of incompatible changes between versions < 1730466738 979667 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah right, there's no large rectangle+comma, there's only a large rectangle+apostrophe < 1730466822 58715 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok fair, there's one really weird symbol, the lightbulb to mark comments, and I don't think that one was composed < 1730467376 39385 :amby!~ambylastn@94.119.64.5 JOIN #esolangs amby :realname > 1730467446 847001 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07InPro14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144740 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+725) 10Created page with "'''InPro''' ('''In'''finite '''Pro'''gram) is a [[brainfuck]] derivative by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] ==Description== The programs in the language are infinite, and thus it it needs to be run using a REPL. In this version while loop [...] is instead an > 1730467482 871957 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ChuckEsoteric0814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144741&oldid=144578 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+11) 10/* 2024 */ added InPro > 1730467521 490333 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Inpro14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144742 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+19) 10Redirected page to [[InPro]] > 1730467623 860689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Conditional Bee14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144743&oldid=94263 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-4) 10 < 1730467729 948573 :amby!~ambylastn@94.119.64.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1730469364 351042 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] baldibacak > 1730470515 602581 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CDILOI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144744&oldid=141001 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+12) 10/* Computational class */ < 1730471361 945239 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1730471870 981236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TACC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144745&oldid=120863 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+722) 10/* Examples */ > 1730472266 978071 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EsoInterpreters14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144746&oldid=144730 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+515) 10/* Main table */ Added brainfuck in Textile > 1730472420 126076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DOG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144747&oldid=96958 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+23) 10/* External resources */ < 1730473287 250208 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.123.189 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1730474739 727373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144748&oldid=143929 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1) 10/* Conjectures */ < 1730474755 410598 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1730474995 696411 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144749&oldid=144724 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+54) 10/* Computational class */ > 1730475058 530596 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FROSTWIRE-66614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144750&oldid=144739 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+59) 10/* complete basis? */ < 1730475927 351030 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730476051 911522 :fowl!~fowl@user/fowl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1730476368 602914 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1730477250 993153 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1730477261 799927 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1730477666 986430 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1730478045 883716 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730478284 685506 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730478561 439352 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.123.189 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730478920 351630 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1730479463 350476 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1730480972 284356 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hakerh400/Conjectures14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144751&oldid=90585 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2268) 10Add a new conjecture. < 1730483172 349978 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1730483834 478288 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1730485215 375350 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:HakerScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144752 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+290) 10Created page with "hello i am new here but i have an suggestion for brutforce it pauses program for 1-5 sec but instead what if we iterate that many times for example brutforce 127.0.0.1 100000 which gonna run a loop that increments variable until variable = 100000 which is ac > 1730485234 533185 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144753&oldid=144752 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+12) 10added pre tag for newlines < 1730485339 356448 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1730485356 280028 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1730485656 416920 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1730486507 497482 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730487827 402679 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.123.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730488077 375066 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] baldibacak < 1730488145 148120 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 QUIT :Client Quit < 1730488191 351035 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] baldibacak < 1730489083 213664 :Everything!~Everythin@195.138.86.118 JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1730489671 199299 :Everything!~Everythin@195.138.86.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1730489721 213096 :Everything!~Everythin@94.153.29.90 JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1730491123 456964 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.120.5 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1730491541 339759 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0710 114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144754&oldid=144688 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+40) 10 > 1730491556 157015 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Jumpy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144755 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+387) 10Created page with "Wouldn't Jumpy be a [[linear bounded automaton]], since it can only access finitely many cells on the Game of Life board. :--~~~~" > 1730491564 996745 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0710 114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144756&oldid=144754 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (-1) 10f > 1730492183 261237 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Eafh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144757&oldid=138460 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+41) 10/* Interpreter */ > 1730492508 620902 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Preserve Line Numbers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144758&oldid=114784 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+85) 10/* Example Programs */ > 1730492530 854426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:B2C14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144759 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+139) 10Created page with "i dont think this esolang is turing complate since there is only 2 cells unless they are infinite bits in size they cant be turing complate" > 1730492693 287705 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Multiply14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144760&oldid=101871 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+90) 10/* Examples */ > 1730493349 310433 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Eafh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144761&oldid=144757 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+52) 10written an ecliptica interpreter > 1730493426 825150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JAGL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144762&oldid=144456 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-7) 10Interpreter moved > 1730493466 163329 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/hjhjhj14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144763&oldid=135411 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (-1213) 10removed bullshit and fixed categoryies > 1730493510 946691 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/hjhjhj14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144764&oldid=144763 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+1213) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/144763|144763]] by [[Special:Contributions/Baldibacak|Baldibacak]] ([[User talk:Baldibacak|talk]]) < 1730494695 350339 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730495246 370635 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] baldibacak < 1730495539 416060 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1730496089 359162 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.120.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730497184 945962 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730497261 751636 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730497796 603356 :Everything!~Everythin@94.153.29.90 QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1730498470 585531 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Preserve Line Numbers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144765&oldid=144758 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+142) 10/* Example Programs */ < 1730498580 230163 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730498604 774346 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1730499127 416684 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07=/=14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144766 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+26) 10Redirected page to [[Unassignable]] > 1730499547 472099 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OOo CODE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144767&oldid=139779 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+76) 10/* Examples */ < 1730501154 188650 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1730501491 859590 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144768&oldid=144436 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-71) 10 > 1730501861 821052 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:B2C14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144769&oldid=144759 5* 03None1 5* (+263) 10It's an FSA > 1730502233 384318 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Preserve Line Numbers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144770&oldid=144765 5* 03None1 5* (-208) 10These examples don't work as it can only print consecutive numbers starting with 1 > 1730505109 860880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Jumpy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144771&oldid=144755 5* 03Corbin 5* (+574) 10Demonstrate how to decide Jumpy in linear time. < 1730505905 958705 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds > 1730508752 95210 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Jumpy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144772&oldid=144771 5* 03Ais523 5* (+476) 10programs are infinitely long > 1730511545 876947 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hakerh400/Conjectures14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144773&oldid=144751 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-2) 10/* Conjecture 4 */ < 1730513060 453917 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1730514644 203926 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Arsonist 5* 10New user account > 1730515345 177338 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144774&oldid=144591 5* 03Arsonist 5* (+431) 10/* Introductions */ < 1730520272 452103 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.120.5 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730525063 748876 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest60 < 1730525101 957493 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey i wanted to know < 1730525119 56668 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for an esolang) < 1730525149 330473 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how to kindoff integrate monads(programming monads) into LC < 1730525159 830529 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like for example < 1730525172 526470 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :>== from haskell > 1730525573 247617 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Black Pentagon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144775&oldid=126176 5* 03Gggfr 5* (-1) 10/* Introduction */ changed to right word < 1730525614 90896 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730527442 352106 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1730531702 166431 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1730532628 2811 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730533528 181671 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1730533586 51543 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1730533704 674303 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1730537847 887509 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1730538624 904846 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730541887 361739 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.120.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1730542567 899895 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PyFuck (kuangkzh)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144776&oldid=144717 5* 03None1 5* (+16) 10Real name from his github page > 1730542896 825745 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07B2C14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144777&oldid=120138 5* 03None1 5* (+2) 10/* External resources */ change to GitHub Pages site > 1730543081 959285 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ChuckEsoteric08/Interpreters14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144778&oldid=144736 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+430) 10Added CT in CDILOI > 1730543146 16465 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Remove Line Numbers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144779&oldid=134363 5* 03None1 5* (-99) 10Remove down replit link > 1730543209 987480 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Preserve Line Numbers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144780&oldid=144770 5* 03None1 5* (-99) 10/* C++ as Windows executable (64bit) (faster link) */ remove down replit link < 1730543270 911530 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1730543511 883510 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OOo CODE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144781&oldid=144767 5* 03None1 5* (+1) 10/* External resources */ > 1730543891 87459 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OOo CODE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144782&oldid=144781 5* 03None1 5* (-23) 10/* External resources */ probably dead > 1730544023 997313 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ChuckEsoteric08/Interpreters14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144783 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+47) 10Redirected page to [[User:ChuckEsoteric08/Interpreters]] > 1730544295 882262 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EsoInterpreters14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144784&oldid=144746 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+61) 10Added CT in CDILOI > 1730544579 547887 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CDILOI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144785&oldid=144744 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-6) 10/* Computational class */ > 1730545332 702548 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DOG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144786&oldid=144747 5* 03None1 5* (+28) 10/* External resources */ < 1730546000 353868 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730546936 392234 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname > 1730548040 340150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust strategies14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144787&oldid=144501 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+117) 10lots of minor fixes < 1730553291 507742 :earend1!uid657395@user/utoneq JOIN #esolangs zut :zut < 1730554515 446130 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730554803 963176 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730554967 453417 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.120.5 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730555401 217661 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730555691 385206 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.120.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730555729 607942 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1730557739 281477 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071 bytes :314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144788&oldid=144520 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-2) 10I take that back < 1730558044 959436 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1730558233 736432 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust strategies14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144789&oldid=144787 5* 03Ais523 5* (+61) 10/* The rule of nine */ partial rv the rule of nine is about attacking from the tenth cell, and although some slow rush programs do attack from further away, this is generally considered to be a rule of nine violation rather than part of the rule > 1730558388 163174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust strategies14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144790&oldid=144789 5* 03Ais523 5* (+40) 10/* Poke */ partial rv the point isn't the number of decoys but the distance from the flag, which "advanced" reflected but "additional" doesn't write it out more clearly > 1730558429 136625 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust strategies14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144791&oldid=144790 5* 03Ais523 5* (-20) 10/* Reverse tripwire avoidance */ partial rv what makes you think the program was untested? > 1730558556 444793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust strategies14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144792&oldid=144791 5* 03Ais523 5* (-12) 10/* Defense */ reword/clarify < 1730558571 202081 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname > 1730558674 133981 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust strategies14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144793&oldid=144792 5* 03Ais523 5* (-8) 10/* Probabilistic lock */ partial rv "usually" doesn't really make sense given that we are talking about probabilities here the possibility of a good or bad timing matchup is included in the proportion of the time that the lock is gained < 1730559596 665756 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730559913 383639 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730559973 370121 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1730560257 907910 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730561357 219101 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1730561420 488273 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1730561624 149175 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1730561846 65828 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071 bytes :314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144794&oldid=144788 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+56) 10/* interpreter */ > 1730561873 688404 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071 bytes :314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144795&oldid=144794 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+30) 10/* interpreters */ > 1730562132 278462 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust strategies14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144796&oldid=144793 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+104) 10/* Reverse tripwire avoidance */ Look at the history, the author said it was untested < 1730562263 633939 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730563489 379015 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW > 1730563916 787746 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071 bytes :314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144797&oldid=144795 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-5) 10/* interpreters */ < 1730564029 964339 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can anybody aswer Guest60(it was me) > 1730564033 224126 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071 bytes :314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144798&oldid=144797 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-26) 10/* print */ > 1730564080 372500 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144799 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+27) 10Redirected page to [[Hello, world!]] > 1730564121 506534 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071 bytes :314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144800&oldid=144798 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* Hello world */ > 1730564459 866891 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JAGL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144801&oldid=144762 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+50) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730564474 96727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JAGL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144802&oldid=144801 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-30) 10/* Syntax */ < 1730565258 350707 :Guest67!~Guest88@2a02:2f0e:6314:1300:a993:1d51:dae1:9ad7 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest88 < 1730565262 851677 :Guest67!~Guest88@2a02:2f0e:6314:1300:a993:1d51:dae1:9ad7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello < 1730565281 354293 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hellllo < 1730565520 814220 :Guest67!~Guest88@2a02:2f0e:6314:1300:a993:1d51:dae1:9ad7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a programming question, can I get information about esoteric languages ​​from the site https://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page using sparql as I would for wikidata (ex: SELECT ?propertyLabel ?valueLabel WHERE { < 1730565521 319016 :Guest67!~Guest88@2a02:2f0e:6314:1300:a993:1d51:dae1:9ad7 PRIVMSG #esolangs : wd:Q244627 ?property ?value . < 1730565521 814645 :Guest67!~Guest88@2a02:2f0e:6314:1300:a993:1d51:dae1:9ad7 PRIVMSG #esolangs : SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". } < 1730565522 345814 :Guest67!~Guest88@2a02:2f0e:6314:1300:a993:1d51:dae1:9ad7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :} < 1730565522 814048 :Guest67!~Guest88@2a02:2f0e:6314:1300:a993:1d51:dae1:9ad7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ORDER BY ?propertyLabel)? < 1730565551 30260 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730565685 303020 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest67: IIUC there aren't SPARQL endpoints builtin for MediaWiki; we'd need to add an extension of some sort. < 1730565707 730924 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Note that most pages on the wiki are *not* sufficiently annotated to allow for useful queries anyway. The wiki isn't a relational database at all. < 1730565713 689025 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also < 1730565747 575535 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why is it so rare we change featured lang? < 1730565766 557108 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: It still doesn't make sense to "integrate monads" into lambda calculus; are you thinking of Kleisli categories or something else? < 1730565797 607351 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no < 1730565799 397793 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Featured pages usually have to meet some minimum standard, and most pages on the wiki are clearly one-person vanity stubs. < 1730565801 730278 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im thinking of like < 1730565828 600467 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the programming monads with like functions and classes < 1730565829 902785 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtuever < 1730565887 693775 :Guest67!~Guest88@2a02:2f0e:6314:1300:a993:1d51:dae1:9ad7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the only way to retrieve info from  is using requests, BeautifulSoup or something like these? < 1730566388 690768 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also idk why but im trygint o get like a ps1 or 2 onto a fucking spynet smartwatch style thing < 1730566442 163669 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Monads in programming are merely a special case of monads in category theory. < 1730566454 6287 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k < 1730566469 119560 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest67: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Wiki_dumps < 1730566638 291670 :Guest67!~Guest88@2a02:2f0e:6314:1300:a993:1d51:dae1:9ad7 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730566664 929978 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Maybe let's take a step back. What *is* a programming monad? < 1730566727 360969 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im actually not sure < 1730566731 342041 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ik what a monad is < 1730566738 273805 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but not a proglang one < 1730566824 9024 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Pretend that each language has a category given by its types. Most languages don't actually have categories this way, but we can pretend. Then a proglang monad is just a monad on that category of types. < 1730566930 650130 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Does that make sense? We can go with an example if you like. What's your favorite monad? < 1730566955 327565 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it does < 1730566981 747994 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cant any function be turned into a monad but making it like a class or smth < 1730567054 521560 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No. Recall that a monad is always carried by a functor. < 1730567066 350324 :Guest88!~Guest88@79.112.124.121 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest88 < 1730567070 837639 :earend1!uid657395@user/utoneq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1730567087 735944 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea < 1730567129 391002 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730567336 986733 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: So, what's your favorite monad? < 1730567350 855527 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont rlly have one tbh < 1730567360 749792 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe the infinite monad < 1730567370 843771 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the monad of x where x is the monad of x < 1730567372 898434 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know that one. What's its type signature? < 1730567380 988590 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk < 1730567386 674656 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i like kinda just made it up < 1730567390 199810 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, so you *don't* know what a monad is, then. < 1730567403 789299 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well i kinda do < 1730567415 187773 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its a monoid of the endofuctors of x < 1730567419 79751 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*functors < 1730567421 691401 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, and what is a functor? < 1730567453 847536 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the like morphism(kinda) between categories whích maps elements of one category to another < 1730567516 820193 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, I think I see the confusion. Think of an individual category as its own universe, its own world, separate from all of the others. A morphism *inside* a category doesn't have any meaning *outside* the category. Functors aren't morphisms in that sense. < 1730567534 729870 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1730567569 934030 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Instead, a functor is a map from one universe to another. To keep it rigid, a functor must map identity morphisms to identity morphisms, and all diagrams must commute. If something is true before applying the functor, then it is still true after applying the functor. < 1730567603 79349 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So a monad is a monoid on this universe-to-universe mapping setup, not a monoid of ordinary functions. < 1730567649 974237 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :waht does is identity morphism < 1730567652 258041 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :commute < 1730567723 492652 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, remember how identity and composition work? Let X, Y, and Z be objects in a category C, let f : X -> Y and g : Y -> Z be arrows, and let F be a functor from C to some other category D. < 1730567752 312299 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes? < 1730567773 893454 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :We want F(f) : F(X) -> F(Y) and F(g) : F(Y) -> F(Z) to compose in D to give F(f;g) : F(X) -> F(Z). And that's the same first building f;g : X -> Z in C, and then applying F. < 1730567819 290863 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's all that I mean by "commute". It's a fairly classic diagram; check out nLab's version: https://ncatlab.org/nlab/files/functor.jpg < 1730567837 724615 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :In that picture, h = f;g. < 1730567863 362243 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest60 < 1730567909 70498 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs : k thx < 1730567952 171524 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest9: No worries. Thanks for asking and not just scraping. < 1730567962 323371 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1730567967 568339 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :scraping? < 1730567976 587459 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :With requests or BeautifulSoup or etc. < 1730567998 137720 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :waht < 1730568005 621288 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im wwwww < 1730568015 147772 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, okay. < 1730568024 656583 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lo, idk how < 1730568030 953308 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730568111 508935 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also < 1730568119 132990 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have a esolang concept < 1730568134 578821 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and i rlly need to know if its gud cuz its going to take lots of time < 1730568338 479808 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you're unlikely to get advice unless you tell people what it is < 1730568353 827470 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just wanted to knwo if ppl would want to hear it < 1730568357 311152 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1730568359 198116 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but um < 1730568360 975491 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its like < 1730568371 91394 :Guest88!~Guest88@79.112.124.121 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730568383 172804 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ehrre younhave a single(or 2) commands to change x y of pointer and thats it < 1730568393 632788 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe theres like a tape with instructions on it but idk < 1730568422 859660 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest9: have you seen https://esolangs.org/wiki/Nopfunge and its derivatives (e.g. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Turn_Left)? those change the direction of the pointer, not its position, but it's similar < 1730568458 947701 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1730568470 211567 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im going for a jolverine style esolang < 1730568476 198744 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would be a 1L ig < 1730568497 380107 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also i havent read them but like < 1730568501 715704 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i know how they like < 1730568502 472666 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1730568648 134559 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it a gud idea < 1730568666 901785 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also my goal is to teatch myself to work eith 2d compilers < 1730568674 157876 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like how to compile 2d langs < 1730568693 902712 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the main challenge of that language will be coming up with a command that works < 1730568702 728525 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1730568706 632597 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the early days of esolangs.org, there were a lot of failed attempts at 1Ls < 1730568713 848360 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol yea < 1730568743 696309 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would prop be conditinal < 1730568748 690120 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you're interested in the "tape with instructions idea" on it, look at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Turning_tarpit; Wunnel is an example of a 1L turning-tarpit, but you might want to take innovations from some of the others < 1730568752 31565 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :FWIW there's no meaningful difference between 1D and 2D bytecode when it comes to writing a compiler. The dimensionality of bytecode is usually 1D for sanity and to map to hardware. < 1730568785 239714 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo yes but still < 1730568799 206267 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose I should write a JIT for one of the popular 2D languages to show this off. Not sure which one to pick though. < 1730568800 35529 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 im not sure bout that part < 1730568808 522395 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: bytecode doesn't map to hardware anyway, it's always interpreted < 1730568815 62986 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yes ik bout turning tarpits < 1730568851 430696 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, Befunge was designed to be basically impossible to compile, this is why it has things like the put command, and (in Funge-98) flying instruction pointer movement < 1730568872 157913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/monoid ...this concept has way too many different definitions. < 1730568876 445852 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1730568878 938933 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: The original insight of JIT is that we can homomorphically map bytecode to *sequences* of machine code. From there, an online incremental compiler is mostly an engineering challenge. Check out Self's original eight-instruction VM for an example. < 1730568888 773511 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But yeah, I agree. < 1730568941 349937 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the `k` command is also something of an obstacle: when writing a post on codegolf stack exchange I eventually gave up trying to describe what "kr" does, only describing the more easily defined cases < 1730568965 664232 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but should i try? < 1730569005 204834 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest9: Yes, you should always be willing to try to write an interpreter. < 1730569032 200096 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to make the esolang < 1730569046 638419 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw, Advance The Wheel! is by far my favourite turning tarpit – it gives the turningness a reason to exist rather than just being syntax < 1730569068 391471 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you made it i think right? < 1730569077 273469 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then ofc you would like it < 1730569097 531253 :Guest9!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730569101 92644 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, yes – I have lots of esolang ideas but don't usually make them into languages unless they're good < 1730569111 631510 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1730569135 554477 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I actually dislike most of what I've made. But I suppose that that is not typical. < 1730569163 800243 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I dislike many of my early languages, I got better over time < 1730569180 247157 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Burn wouldn't be interesting if not for the whole "I forgot the spec and wrote about it anyway" thing, I think < 1730569234 495213 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :YEA < 1730569237 475161 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops sorry < 1730569335 110765 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Many folks have told me that Monte's syntax is terribly ugly. I wish to tell them that it's not only ugly, but irritating to read when writing large pattern-matches. < 1730569383 134700 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also it has a bunch of bad ergonomics from blending Python and E syntax. In particular, it supports *both* indentation and braces for nesting and scoping. < 1730569406 762973 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Haskell does that too, and it isn't disastrous there < 1730569416 391428 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok can i get an actual answer...like im just not sure < 1730569418 822621 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although Haskell's indentation rules are different from Pyhton's < 1730569426 619303 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry < 1730569452 443224 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: writing the interpreter will probably do you good, but it'll take a lot of thought to get the language itself right < 1730569466 490933 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the nice thing is, even if you get it wrong, you can probably easily modify the interpreter to process different commands < 1730569475 682889 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you can start that before the language is fully designed < 1730569523 794624 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: An actual answer includes the Command Pattern, which is not only a fair bit ahead of your current knowledge but usually not taught due to controversy over design patterns. < 1730569530 97740 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k < 1730569546 236919 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it will only have one command anyway(other than NOP < 1730569547 933405 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: which one is that? < 1730569556 72858 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :generally speaking, I know patterns but not what they're called < 1730569565 439681 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Basically, a language is a way to *instruct* a system. So, designing a language can be done by designing the system first, and then writing down the instructions based on the things that the system can do. < 1730569576 775110 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, it's on Wikipedia < 1730569580 255188 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1730569596 552309 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: It's got a couple names. It's the realization that a sequence of method calls against an API object is equivalent to a straight-line bytecode sequence for a machine. < 1730569664 379933 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :NetHack4 uses what's basically a command pattern to communicate from windowport to engine < 1730569667 993023 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :At a past job, we used this insight to design an instrumentation/monitoring tool. Users could write a string describing what they wanted to measure, and the string was interpreted as a command for a system which controls probes and gathers data. < 1730569673 904936 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well imma make it < 1730569690 159878 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, it allows parameters to be "ask me using a callback" rather than containing specific values (although, specific values are also allowed) < 1730569705 170474 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep, GUIs and TUIs do commands all the time. There's an old ADT called "wid" for this; Monte's got an implementation, although the best-known one is certainly Python's Urwid. < 1730569730 442854 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Go for it! < 1730569740 623314 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs ::] < 1730569868 345649 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looking at 1L, is it known whether a 3D workspace suffices for TCness? < 1730569883 268035 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1730569885 296848 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: what 1L do you mean? < 1730569887 976747 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats interesting < 1730569891 912700 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :1L is a general term crossing a range of languages < 1730569898 258581 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1730569902 298222 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like wierd < 1730569907 166398 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and jolverine < 1730569960 934287 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, I just had an idea – 0L, it's a playfield full of NOPs, but you can somehow program by choosing what shape it is (it's not just a rectangle), not sure how to make that TC but it seems like an interesting idea < 1730570003 319392 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll have to spend a few days thinking about it before it becomes something coherent < 1730570021 966725 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea it is < 1730570029 312752 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if oyu get that done < 1730570031 68808 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plz name it < 1730570034 35936 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, similarly I'm not sure how to answer your question but now I'm thinking of different 3D crystal structures. < 1730570049 452139 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nothing < 1730570054 194332 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz fuck it < 1730570107 593329 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it'd pretty much have to be called 0L to keep the pattern going < 1730570130 963208 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tru ig < 1730570134 912950 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs ::[ :] < 1730570160 796939 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I convinced myself that the crystal-structure approach is useless. The wallpaper group (and friends) are finite and I genuinely can't imagine an un- or semidecidable problem on them s.t. there's a meaningful computational problem behind it. < 1730570199 361806 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It'd end up like Seventeen or Bust, where the question is sufficiently concrete and arithmetic to be reduced to searching for solutions of polynomials. < 1730570226 281533 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This was important because otherwise I was ready to use the language name "But Is It Wallpaper?" < 1730570259 845786 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1730570340 900713 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's a great name < 1730570361 202566 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm reminded of one of my old esolang ideas that I gave up on because I couldn't find a way to make it interesting < 1730570377 500949 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol makes sense < 1730570391 529560 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. If anybody comes up with a good intersection of But Is It Art? and the wallpaper group, go for it. I'm not seeing one, though; the finiteness of this group is extremely geometric. < 1730570395 612392 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey < 1730570401 735640 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for an array how was it now agian < 1730570406 197115 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is a infinite, procedurally generated with fixed seed (so it's always the same) 3D space that contains a number of reflective objects, and the program is a laser where you can choose exactly where it starts and where it's pointing, then it bounces off the objects forever < 1730570410 119715 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you indexed it like x and y > 1730570414 489686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07String-rewriting paradigm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144803&oldid=72234 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+405) 10Interpreter, categories < 1730570432 392712 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I ended up having to make the 3D space too uninterestingly "artificial" to get close to TCness > 1730570448 184702 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SWCE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144804&oldid=144707 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+135) 10/* Charecter table */ > 1730570479 728009 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Binary-encoded Minsky machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144805&oldid=140122 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+1) 10/* Encoding */ < 1730570493 612689 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Er, I should say, the finiteness of the set of wallpaper groups, combined with the simple procedures for determining which group describes the given observations, is extremely geometric. There's an entire discipline, crystallography, where people look at a picture and then tell you the corresponding group. < 1730570527 379884 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo you told be what the array index was so what was it? < 1730570529 159560 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am reminded of the way that the entire set of Archimedean solids is known < 1730570546 779833 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with a couple of infinite families and then a finite number of others < 1730570558 235699 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Take your rectangle grid and slice it into rows. Line up the rows to make a 1D array. < 1730570571 799386 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes' > 1730570772 203175 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Conditional Bee14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144806&oldid=144743 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+69) 10Categories < 1730570794 476282 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Suppose each row has s items. If you want to access row i and column j, then you'd want to access index (j * s + i) in the 1D array. Why is that? > 1730570808 60873 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Conditional brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144807&oldid=74791 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+21) 10/* See also */ Link < 1730570816 590510 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz like < 1730570842 436027 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the j(y) will be moved by one row every time and then we add i(x) > 1730570857 698411 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:SWCE Charecter s.png10]]" < 1730570864 850466 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Great! Sounds like you understand. < 1730570873 333659 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs ::] < 1730570880 248102 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just needed to make sure > 1730570894 201017 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SWCE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144809&oldid=144804 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+88) 10/* Making a charecter */ > 1730570900 407845 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07InPro14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144810&oldid=144740 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+53) 10Categories < 1730570916 148672 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is the typical way of implementing large multidimensional arrays. As long as you know the depth/width/height of most of the dimensions (except one, for rows) then you can always do this same arithmetic. > 1730570920 681108 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SWCE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144811&oldid=144809 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+49) 10/* Making a charecter */ > 1730570950 645893 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Conditional Bee14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144812&oldid=144806 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+92) 10Categories < 1730571062 451072 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Try it! Suppose that I have a 4D array, sometimes called a "tensor". I know that the strides (depth/width/height/etc.) are s, t, and u. How would I compute the index at the address i, j, k, l? < 1730571085 258405 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plz not rn im making the compiler < 1730571087 883760 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION maybe going too fast < 1730571094 321305 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I've seen "tensor" used to name two unrelated things and neither is a 4D array :-D < 1730571097 241302 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, cool. Have fun! < 1730571103 98136 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* korvo is going too fast lol < 1730571107 899085 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so yea < 1730571112 43652 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :imma be doing tht < 1730571113 283280 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for now < 1730571123 308261 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my command will just move the pointer diagonally < 1730571131 444133 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730571233 470708 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I think the tensors in General Relativity are 4D? But yeah, usually folks mean a 2D or 3D array destined for matrix multiplication, I guess. < 1730571823 859954 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.120.5 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1730572016 126259 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pointer-based Minsky machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144813&oldid=142459 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+198) 10/* Implementations */ < 1730572181 357353 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.120.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730572845 362658 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1730573038 404155 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1730573134 923987 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02Tougne10]] to [[Pycone]] > 1730574407 232313 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pycone14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144816&oldid=144814 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+259) 10 > 1730574468 783874 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pycone14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144817&oldid=144816 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-10) 10/* Truth-machine */ < 1730575540 351266 :Guest88!~Guest88@2a02:2f0e:6314:1300:a993:1d51:dae1:9ad7 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest88 < 1730575812 261992 :Guest88!~Guest88@2a02:2f0e:6314:1300:a993:1d51:dae1:9ad7 QUIT :Client Quit < 1730576353 728992 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730579371 178405 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730580037 392790 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730582277 642666 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730584462 922142 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730584566 231025 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730585981 348180 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1730591888 736409 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Yuroyumachi 5* 10New user account > 1730592407 744934 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144818&oldid=144774 5* 03Yuroyumachi 5* (+161) 10 < 1730592812 182162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( lacol knil prefix = 0:80fe::/32 ) < 1730592887 562121 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(based on a report in german that sees a provider reply to DHCPv6 requests from that subnet, in german: https://hilfe.o2online.de/dsl-kabel-glasfaser-router-software-internet-telefonie-34/dsl-ipv6-pd-dhcpv6-eventueller-fehler-seitens-o2-640621 ) < 1730592978 896376 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can reply to a DHCP request in German? < 1730592998 777804 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't see why not < 1730593006 325759 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it would be possible to reply to an HTTP request in German (at the expense of the browser not being able to understand the headers), maybe DHCP works the same way < 1730593064 23159 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wrote "in german" twice because the second one was an afterthought while editing on an 80 character wide text prompt in irssi < 1730593111 571097 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's but one of many dangers on the internet ;) < 1730593492 805259 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The best part of that exchange is the person who says that 0:80fe::/6 should be 0:80fe::/16 instead. Counting is hard.) < 1730593859 235264 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`learn The password of the month is release incident pilot. < 1730593862 845132 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is release incident pilot. > 1730594757 893767 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yuroyumachi14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144819 5* 03Yuroyumachi 5* (+116) 10I love you;) > 1730594817 121250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Yuroyumachi14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144820 5* 03Yuroyumachi 5* (+96) 10Created page with "--~~~~" < 1730598179 154679 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1730600487 843949 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest67: also https://esolangs.org/w/api.php with docs at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page ; or https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Export < 1730603101 639991 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1730603132 660137 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 JOIN #esolangs op_4 :op_4 < 1730607701 392193 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1730608420 350892 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest60 < 1730608835 427242 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730609058 506028 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.120.20 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1730609539 639280 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144821&oldid=143524 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+50) 10 > 1730609714 568169 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Basilisk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144822&oldid=92844 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+313) 10 < 1730611131 351127 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1730612727 447172 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im done with my prototype compiler! korvo < 1730612739 911576 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Cool. < 1730612750 92382 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1730612759 300970 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shall i show ye? < 1730612926 153359 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Go for it. < 1730612974 541807 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k < 1730613117 730706 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://collab.pi7.org/GamePlayCodeLife < 1730613159 582761 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :here it is < 1730613181 481264 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it doesnt work. wtf it should < 1730613707 861041 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey do you know why < 1730613709 218809 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont < 1730613711 741784 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1730613961 915278 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Fun. Looks like a 2D system. < 1730613972 800666 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol yea < 1730614623 946599 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1730614843 320288 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also ais523 made any progress on the L0 idea? < 1730615667 368225 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.120.20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730615858 997881 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730616134 483874 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i can get my interpreter to work so i give up < 1730616486 445374 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730619988 505960 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1730620068 483732 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1730620069 351347 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1730621265 774965 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730622154 573503 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730622266 169759 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :god i have the best and worst idea for an esolang > 1730622496 415554 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sucks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144823&oldid=144713 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+21) 10/* Short form */ > 1730623600 753805 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Macro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144824&oldid=140802 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+89) 10 > 1730624250 113246 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144825&oldid=144821 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-9) 10 > 1730624369 464756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pycone14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144826&oldid=144817 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* Truth-machine */ > 1730624384 550586 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pycone14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144827&oldid=144826 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* Truth-machine */ < 1730627178 452580 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1730627912 812541 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144828&oldid=144177 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+29) 10/* CATEGORIES */ > 1730628712 79464 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pycone14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144829&oldid=144827 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* Truth-machine */ > 1730631935 613458 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144830&oldid=143384 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+180) 10 > 1730633336 797398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144831 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+437) 10Created page with "''''Python' is not recognized''' is a variant of [['Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.]] by [[User:Ractangle]] ==Syntax== {{cd|;}} stops the program since the code is a one-liner {{cd|:}} ta < 1730634067 793800 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1730634905 9658 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144832&oldid=144831 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-23) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730635048 521232 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144833&oldid=144832 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+142) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730635062 179774 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144834&oldid=144833 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-5) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730635142 750722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144835&oldid=144834 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+109) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730635277 571052 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144836&oldid=144376 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-327) 10/* Programm forms */ < 1730635316 172684 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1730635333 24916 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144837&oldid=144836 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-166) 10/* Esolangs */ < 1730635373 429792 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen > 1730635437 338768 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144838&oldid=144837 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+3) 10 > 1730635455 344673 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144839&oldid=144838 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1) 10/* Esolangs */ > 1730635573 431816 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144840&oldid=144839 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-3) 10 > 1730635605 113747 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144841&oldid=144840 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-28) 10/* Esolangs */ > 1730635624 786663 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07None,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144842&oldid=135864 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-118) 10 < 1730635792 225049 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730635810 512718 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1730636169 49225 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1730636876 640155 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ATProtogen/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144843&oldid=143966 5* 03ATProtogen 5* (-3540) 10Blanked the page > 1730639610 898550 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke Page14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144844&oldid=116188 5* 03None1 5* (+42) 10/* Examples */ < 1730641394 481558 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730641622 7378 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-29-33.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1730641954 444402 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1730643332 797015 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1730643982 482403 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a0a-a543-6c1d-0-5217-e5e2-16c8-3101.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie < 1730644550 17321 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen < 1730647069 18868 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.206.114.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl QUIT : < 1730647689 433135 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.206.114.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull < 1730648103 425428 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730648797 911076 :lynndotpy!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 QUIT :Quit: bye bye < 1730648833 483312 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730648851 149185 :lynndotpy!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 JOIN #esolangs lynndotpy :lynn < 1730649313 429324 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730649871 365784 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1730649893 745067 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipFlop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144845&oldid=144241 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-257) 10better implementation < 1730649911 535336 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1730649981 690519 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipFlop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144846&oldid=144845 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+6) 10/* Implementation */ > 1730650221 182209 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipFlop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144847&oldid=144846 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+55) 10/* Examples? */ > 1730650424 287264 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07+++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144848&oldid=144352 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+3) 10/* Calculator */ > 1730650512 879069 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144849&oldid=144835 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+23) 10 > 1730650634 166863 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish with gotos and input14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144850&oldid=142071 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+297) 10/* Programs */ > 1730650833 361827 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish with gotos and input14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144851&oldid=144850 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-45) 10/* Hello, World! */ > 1730650892 694416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish with gotos and input14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144852&oldid=144851 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+0) 10/* Hello, World! */ > 1730650902 81124 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish with gotos and input14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144853&oldid=144852 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-1) 10/* Hello, World! */ < 1730650906 374142 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1730650922 533993 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730651421 769440 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730652818 128927 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-29-33.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1730652930 505422 :Everything!~Everythin@46.211.221.97 JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1730653145 43305 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a0a-a543-6c1d-0-5217-e5e2-16c8-3101.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1730653199 512544 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a0a-a543-6c1d-0-5217-e5e2-16c8-3101.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie < 1730653849 396591 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730653890 351562 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1730654019 889895 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :somebody throw a concept at me im so bored i want to make it into an esolang < 1730654116 799121 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lojban. < 1730654132 772320 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lojban? < 1730654147 934865 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Give Lojban some semantics. Or pick another loglang. Or another englang. Or another auxlang. < 1730654158 938993 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1730654161 980678 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Warning: it could take more than a day. < 1730654170 656646 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh thats ok < 1730654190 506397 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been working on it for like 5yrs and I'm only about 15% done. < 1730654207 52814 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh that long < 1730654221 256044 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Meh. I should be done before I die. < 1730654231 876610 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then no thx im like idk lol' < 1730654263 535177 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Suit yourself. Some folks are even more ambitious; I don't think Knuth will finish his books before he dies. < 1730654277 79136 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anything else? < 1730654314 425626 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1730654360 788254 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello ais523!! < 1730654432 883594 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1730654466 870824 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :any progress on L0? < 1730654528 524768 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: most of the links on https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Yayimhere#esolangs represents an opportunity to improve the page, adding an interpreter and working examples. And probably modifications to the languages to make them actually do something. For example, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Leadfish has no way to grow the stack. < 1730654540 908192 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: you mean 0L? no, I was focusing on something else < 1730654548 166696 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k < 1730654564 567864 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sometimes I have hobbies other than esolangs < 1730654574 85933 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :makes sense < 1730654602 918630 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e for interpterers im stupid, and mostly rn ik want to make smth < 1730654989 68586 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like an esolang < 1730655699 623002 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gimme a concept plz < 1730655754 528226 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: so over the last couple of weeks I have been trying to implement a terminal < 1730655763 647216 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and? < 1730655763 726863 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think terminal control codes are TC but there are some interesting things they can do < 1730655778 7400 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes and? thats it? < 1730655803 575050 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's the sort of thing where I think "so what is the computational power of this?", but it's hard to tell because the standards are hard to read < 1730655813 188028 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and nobody seems to implement them properly anyway < 1730655817 833762 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1730655916 492122 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, that's the sort of thing that sometimes inspires an esolang, although it didn't with me > 1730655925 792028 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JS-CODE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144854&oldid=136902 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-5) 10Removed redirect to [[Waretel BASIC]] < 1730655933 789618 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: but why are you designing programming languages if you can't program :-/ < 1730655942 387652 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i can < 1730655943 304988 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it did with someone else, there was a serious attempt to use terminal control codes as a portable format for representing word-processed documents, but it didn't catch on < 1730655944 78581 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just > 1730655945 125540 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144855&oldid=144228 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+70) 10 < 1730655952 817404 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :never get my interpteters to work < 1730656119 639641 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Start with something simpler? I dunno, do a naive Game of Life implementation. You basically don't need parsing, just loops and arrays. < 1730656133 476167 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no like < 1730656145 161625 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its to the level were it makes no sense for it to not work < 1730656154 419808 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Brainfuck is a nice target for very basic parsing (you need to match brackets) < 1730656168 98675 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea > 1730656168 650228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144856&oldid=144855 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+10) 10/* Stuff to continue */ < 1730656175 144626 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk how to do parsing and i never like < 1730656177 793575 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it just never works < 1730656194 22940 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sorry but if it never works, then you don't know how to do it. < 1730656203 207911 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: "idk" means "i don't know" I think < 1730656204 124967 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but like < 1730656214 146384 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :everything < 1730656221 807591 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesntr work < 1730656227 223127 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the other code i do does < 1730656231 170634 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but ionterprters never < 1730656232 613074 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk how < 1730656252 334752 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Ah I did misread. (But I do know what "idk" means, the mistake was elsewhere, probably skipped a word or two.) < 1730656255 185072 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I actually hate the way that it's so hard to generate basic parsers in most languages, and the ones where it's easy normally steer you into inefficient and broken ways of doing it < 1730656287 573967 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this should be a solved problem by now (it was almost a solved problem decades ago, but we seem to have been going backwards since?) < 1730656310 39714 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i only know python for now < 1730656313 14350 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and its just hell < 1730656319 487976 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have great ideas for improving on it, but not the mental energy to act on them > 1730656343 580422 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144857&oldid=144856 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+100) 10/* Stuff to continue */ < 1730656347 722276 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730656374 795781 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, I think a good easy-to-use parser-generator that integrates directly into the languages people use (without needing a separate build tool), and produces efficient and high-quality parsers with good error messages, would be really valuable < 1730656389 662808 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right now the common wisdom is to write parsers by hand, which is ridiculous given how good computers should be at doing that < 1730656496 907020 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It seems that people love parser combinators (despite their efficiency problems)... https://github.com/csams/parsr/blob/master/parsr/examples/arith.py < 1730656519 714838 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(One of several of those for Python; I haven't used it.) < 1730656526 82940 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :parser combinators are bad in two ways: a) inefficiency, b) if you write an ambiguous grammar they don't notice and will just pick a parse arbitrarily < 1730656541 577932 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :meaning that nothing is automatically catching bugs in your parser < 1730656549 137908 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, indeed, in the grammar < 1730656571 295156 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is very easy to write an ambiguous grammar by mistake < 1730656603 968271 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and this is important for programming language creators, when designing their language < 1730656631 515083 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a parser-generator that verifies there are no ambiguities can be used to help debug your language specification, by ensuring you haven't accidentally created a situation where the same byte sequence means two different things < 1730656650 535129 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although ideally to make this work, there shouldn't be a separate lexer, in case there are lexing ambiguities like the whole 0.0 thing in Rust) < 1730656667 177829 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or the a+++b thing in C > 1730656671 233333 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144858&oldid=144857 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+179) 10/* Stuff to continue */ < 1730656743 992403 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or the Type> thing in C++, which actually came up quite a lot < 1730656766 74882 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I think Rust deals with that one by treating >> as a single token but allowing it to close two nesting levels of generics) < 1730656817 901013 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait, what formalism are people thinking when they say "parser combinators"? I've seen a few. I'm guessing that this is recursive-descent combinators? < 1730656835 898155 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: normally it's backtracking combinators > 1730656851 212888 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Malbolge is NOT enough hard!! 5* 10New user account < 1730656854 906869 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Sure, those are definitely not efficient. < 1730656887 826760 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which end up equivalent to recursive-descent if you apply them to an LL grammar, but typically people who use combinators don't care about the various types of grammar < 1730656945 256879 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Meh. I care plenty about the grammar! But I care even more about getting the parser implemented. And usually there's at least one grammar, the grammar of grammars, which requires a bootstrapping parser. < 1730656952 584543 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the problem, of course, is that this means that backtracking parser combinators have wildly varying performance characteristics based on something that isn't obvious from the source code, and in many simple cases they do end up fast < 1730656982 891221 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, by the time people start caring about combinators, they've usually seen the bigger problem: writing an informal grammar is easy, but writing a formal grammar that can be mechanically turned into a parser is a PITA. < 1730656987 684601 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: well, the thing about the bootstrapping parser is that it's always the same, so it can easily be shipped as a library, maybe part of a language's standard library < 1730657003 105294 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yes, but that doesn't solve *my* problems as a language implementor. < 1730657032 516469 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, yes, for everybody else, here is a library I've provided. But what library does Pagliacci use? < 1730657041 4972 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've actually started writing such a bootstrapping parser over the past couple of weeks, so that when I have the mental bandwidth to work on my parser-generator I will have a way to bootstrap it < 1730657088 683315 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm using POSIX yacc for the bootstrapping) < 1730657094 199871 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I remember seeing ANTLR for the first time and realizing that there are dozens, if not hundreds of us, throwing our heads against this problem and coming back with nothing except RSI. < 1730657137 464977 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :only one person has to do this once – maybe it'll be me when I'm in a better mental state, and then all the language implementors can just use that solution < 1730657170 535020 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yacc got close, its main issue is that the way it does precedence is overly tied to its own internals < 1730657198 545128 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it has no convenient way to do lists, and needs a separate lexer < 1730657206 355054 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, the one person was Ian Piumerta and the one system was OMeta. < 1730657269 244714 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still prefer it over things like ANTLR because of the computational complexity (yacc, and Bison on LR grammars, are linear-time; Bison on arbitrary grammars is O(n²) for unambiguous inputs and O(n³) for ambiguous inputs, which I think are the best known computational classes) < 1730657311 744181 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. So is e.g. Marpa, which claims to merely be a fixed version of Earley's work. < 1730657324 865311 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, does ANTLR detect ambiguous grammars? (obviously it's uncomputable to determine whether a grammar is ambiguous, but an ambiguity detector with false positives is fine in practice) < 1730657349 875040 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been collecting weird grammars, mostly written myself, as parser generator tests < 1730657374 64845 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the grammars which are hard to check for ambiguity are very unnatural and don't look like the sort of thing anyone would write in a language spec < 1730657460 348241 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :When Allen Short wrote Parsley (for Python), we realized that Parsley could be extended to tree transformations and wrote about half of SML in it before we realized what had happened. The library Parsimonious, built on Parsley's internals, doesn't have any of that at all. < 1730657473 215018 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it may always be the case that a grammar with uncomputable ambiguity checking always has some substring of input tokens that can be interpreted as opening/closing a different number of nesting levels (or in a different direction) depending on the context < 1730657476 376550 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which makes me wonder whether something like Prolog-style grammars were actually a decent option. < 1730657540 752473 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, there are good reasons to generate parsers in an inherently linear-time language (like a linear-bounded automaton, but for time rather than memory) < 1730657556 628422 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think it's possible to implement ML or Prolog in something like that < 1730657565 72242 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730657627 365017 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, to me the problem is not "how do I get a working parser" but "how do I compile this parser description into something that runs in linear time" < 1730657677 15359 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that requires trying to find a powerful linear-time language to compile into; something like LR(1) is too restrictive in practice < 1730657693 9009 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's possible to do, say, LR(*) (i.e. LR with regex lookahead) in linear time, which was fun to work out < 1730657711 541083 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah. I put combinators over LPEG for that. LPEG started life as a Lua PEG runtime but morphed into a bytecode VM, and there's a nice homomorphism from parser combinators to LPEG bytecode. < 1730657748 169205 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's easy to show that LPEG bytecode can't jump too far backwards, and from there to show that the machine only eats each input character at most once. < 1730657759 381499 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730657767 475180 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(you compile the regex into a state machine that takes the input in reverse order, run over the input backwards to annotate each input token/byte with the appropriate regex state, then use the token/state pairs as LR(1) tokens) < 1730657798 685167 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't like PEG because it is too easy to write a grammar that doesn't mean what you thought it would mean or what it looks like it would mean < 1730657855 101017 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BTW when using compiler frameworks this usually isn't an open question. To write parsers in RPython, I'm basically obligated to use RPLY, an RPython version of Baezley's PLY library. And if my grammar is nasty, like recently with Nix, then I get to write my own Earley setup. < 1730657882 798865 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PEG's just CFG but all choices are ordered. If it's not clear how to order each choice, then the original CFG might not be unambiguous. < 1730657911 114868 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, "A / B" in a PEG means "either an A, or a B that does not start with an A" < 1730657993 655413 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so a grammar like «S: X | Y; X: 'd' | 'd' 'e' 'f'; Y: 'd' 'e' | 'd' 'e' 'f' 'g'» can't be translated to a PEG because there is a valid X that starts with a Y and a valid Y that starts with an X < 1730658031 447826 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, most popular PEG parsing algorithms are linear-time but with horrible constant factors < 1730658041 524743 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And you're not a fan of `S1: X / Y; S2: Y / X; S: S1 / S2` I guess? < 1730658059 304958 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which is usually expressed via PEG's "unlimited" lookahead, but same idea. < 1730658075 334690 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't realise you could do that, and am now trying to figure out the implications < 1730658114 308902 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PEG just insists that you not be allowed to provisionally accept an input. Either it's acceptable now, and we know which production it matches, or it's not acceptable now and we know that no production matches. < 1730658140 348362 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's just Earley without the bookkeeping and non-determinism. < 1730658168 164784 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually I don't think that even works: a Y that starts with an X is not an S1, and although it is an S2, it starts with an S1 and thus it is not acceptable for S < 1730658194 348355 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so this just collapses down to be equivalent to S: X / Y < 1730658398 183146 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Assuming X and Y have no lookaheads, yeah. < 1730658536 577767 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so yes, I'm not a fan of it because it doesn't do what it looks like it's meant to do, or indeed anything useful at all :-D < 1730658538 393014 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1730658580 653177 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, I think that Marpa's author isn't great at writing docs, but he does seem to have correctly cracked the issue of Earley parsers not always performing well on unambiguous grammars, and maybe the correct answer is to implement Marpa for popular languages. < 1730658631 977041 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also CYK is asymptotically what's desired, although its runtime constants are terrible since it can't predict in advance how much space will be needed. < 1730658664 517885 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bison uses GLR, which is asymptotically as good as Earley < 1730658678 618186 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and runs in O(n) time when the grammar happens to be LR(1)) < 1730658825 125114 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, that reminds me: I found a really nice formalism of parser-generator output, as repeated regex replacement (the operation that Perl calls s/regex/string/, where the string is a fixed string, although it runs on terminal/nonterminal mixes rather than character strings) – you express the parser as a set of mutually-exclusive regexes < 1730658879 658861 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, not quite s/regex/string/, the regex can match before and after the replaced portion < 1730658885 565010 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's more like /regex/; $1 = string < 1730658901 285009 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm not sure if you can do that in Perl but you probably can, it's that sort of language) < 1730658926 417729 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`perl-e $_ = "abcdef"; /b(cd)e/; $1 = "g"; print < 1730658929 113801 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Modification of a read-only value attempted at -e line 1. < 1730658933 64956 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh bleh, you can't? < 1730658992 665352 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with most styles of parser it is possible to define a value for each terminal and non-terminal – if you state that replacements must reduce the total value of the string, that proves the parser runs in linear time < 1730659041 705040 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it is normally possible to do that except with nonterminals that match the empty string, those have to be given zero value, but if you make a rule that two copies of the same zero-value nonterminal can't appear without something with positive value in between, that also proves the parser runs in linear time < 1730659054 552744 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, negative value, not zero > 1730659098 527266 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Impossible Esolang Creator 5* 10New user account > 1730659664 107340 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144859&oldid=144828 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+77) 10See also, categories > 1730659770 436669 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144860&oldid=144849 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+106) 10Categories < 1730660515 842196 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730661133 741523 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh neat, I found a terminal control code that's implemented consistently by every terminal I tested, but in a way that contradicts the relevant standard < 1730661146 84432 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the standard looked wrong when I read it – seems all the terminals agree) < 1730661204 190947 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is ESC [ number @, which moves the remainder of the line number positions to the right/forwards – the terminals and standard agree on that, but the standard also moves the cursor to the start of the line for some reason (even though that isn't useful), whereas the terminals leave it alone < 1730661495 411578 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname > 1730661819 752661 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144861&oldid=144860 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+50) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730661838 298835 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144862&oldid=144861 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+26) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730662063 794765 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144863&oldid=144859 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+121) 10/* narcissist */ > 1730662094 332344 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' 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#esolangs :14[[07JS-CODE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144874&oldid=144873 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+11) 10/* Syntax */ < 1730665715 919114 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1730666061 77238 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and sometimes you know the grammar has some ambiguities, and you want to specify how those few are resolved, and prove that there are no other ambiguities, and prove that a specific way of writing the parse that you decided isn't allowed in an ambiguous case can be rewritten with some simple workaround which parses correctly. it gets complicated. > 1730666153 918166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JS-CODE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144875&oldid=144874 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+182) 10 < 1730666251 256616 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: in perl, s/before\Kbetween(?=after)/replacement/ replaces just the middle part < 1730666323 936527 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :alternately you can use captures like s/(before)between(after)/${1}replacement$2/ > 1730666420 846625 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144876&oldid=144841 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+38) 10 > 1730666532 185753 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xuki14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144877&oldid=144586 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+24) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730666546 621594 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xuki14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144878&oldid=144877 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+17) 10/* Syntax */ < 1730666550 694201 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though IME writing anything using repeated replacements like this correctly can be tricky > 1730666560 967993 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xuki14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144879&oldid=144878 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* A+B Problem */ > 1730666613 614952 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xuki14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144880&oldid=144879 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+5) 10/* A+B Problem */ > 1730666649 83725 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xuki14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144881&oldid=144880 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+34) 10/* Syntax */ < 1730666709 901061 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's the same problem as with parsers, the match will be ambiguous and will not replace what you wanted to replace < 1730666732 441418 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I'm not intending it as something to write by hand, but as a computational model > 1730666758 978469 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fortuludmium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144882&oldid=142620 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-173) 10 < 1730666805 111486 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in particular, it models both LR(1) and LL(*) correctly (because they in effect use a finite state automaton to determine the point where the replacement ends or starts respectively, and you can compile that into a regex) < 1730666840 501147 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there's a linear-time implementation which basically gives you a generic linear-time parser backend that isn't tied to particular linear-time algorithms < 1730666872 969511 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right. the one piece of good news is that IIRC 64-bit perl supports characters with codes up to 2**63 in character strings, so you can encode your terminals and perl regexes will treat them as single characters. < 1730666879 613130 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/terminals/nonterminals/ < 1730666935 69754 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course you might have to make sure that they don't occur in your input < 1730666938 540492 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why do you need 64 bits for that? a) there's plenty of room between 0x10FFFF and 0xFFFFFFFF, b) there are private-use planes that you could use for nonterminals if you don't need them for something else > 1730666980 563774 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*python14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144883&oldid=144395 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+6) 10/* Errors */ < 1730667034 560375 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it doesn't really help with regexps that they're single characters, so you only really need a few characters that don't occur in your input < 1730667102 52203 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :your parser generator may care about exactly how many symbols it looks ahead; perl regexps don't < 1730667120 933999 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well my backend model doesn't care either > 1730667181 638410 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*python14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144884&oldid=144883 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+34) 10/* Truth-machine */ < 1730667426 349796 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the brand of the light bulbs above me is "Trixline", so I almost have trilimes above me < 1730667916 880822 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Depending on the input format, you might be able to use all codes greater than 0xFF (or maybe 0x7E) too, if the input handling supports that > 1730668003 956338 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07C-like language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144885&oldid=144396 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10/* Hello, world! */ < 1730668012 182268 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(That is, if it deals with individual bytes. It is probably usually more useful for a regular expression to deal with individual bytes instead of UTF-8 if you do not need to handle non-ASCII characters in matching; that will also then work with other character sets than Unicode too, without needing to do any conversion.) < 1730668041 592815 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(If your input is UTF-16 or UTF-32, or another multibyte code, then the higher character codes are more useful for directly representing character codes.) < 1730668088 271377 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Furthermore, what if you do not have a 64-bit computer?) > 1730668206 990355 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07: 14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144886&oldid=142919 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+84) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730668226 745047 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07: 14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144887&oldid=144886 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+6) 10/* A+B Problem */ > 1730668293 48520 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144888&oldid=144160 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-6) 10/* MarkupL add-ons */ < 1730668312 483382 :Everything!~Everythin@46.211.221.97 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1730668345 117022 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-29-33.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1730668392 803207 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought the character codes were limited to 32-bits, but now you say it can use 63-bits. I think that would waste more memory but also can be useful for reasons you describe and for other reasons (e.g. in case anyone actually uses 63-bit character codes, but that seems unlikely to me) < 1730668859 180758 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a Perl string acts like an array of integers that represent character codes, but is internally stored using one of two compression schemes, one which works only when all the integers are small, and the other of which has a strong resemblance to UTF-8 < 1730668892 141198 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, the details of the compression are supposed to be entirely invisible to the programmer (there are a few historical-reasons bugs that can expose them and a couple of APIs to expose them intentionally_ < 1730668912 524764 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :O, then it won't waste memory, but it will make the execution more complicated so might be less efficient for time even if the space is efficient. < 1730669310 9728 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a0a-a543-6c1d-0-5217-e5e2-16c8-3101.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie < 1730670085 97094 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: also I still find the idea of no separate lexer stage strange, because separate lexing rules is how I find natural to think of languages. the lexer is there because I don't want a keyboard as huge as the number of possible tokens, so I type all by the most frequent tokens as multiple characters. yes, C++'s special lexer exceptions where >> and <: are sometimes not matched leftmost-longest as a < 1730670091 88182 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :token is an argument, but it's not strong enough to discard the whole idea of a lexer. < 1730670156 147286 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also you usually want to attach a pointer to many of those nonterminals to store a parse tree or some other intermediate compiled representation, so just a bunch of s/// substitution rules could be hard to use. < 1730670456 303281 :sprocket!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :maeve (she/her) < 1730670473 993783 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1730671090 270924 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I've been having a lot of fun figuring out how to optimise out the intermediate representation, or at least change it to something more efficient < 1730671153 252281 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my current plan is to parse into reverse-Polish, then parse the resulting reverse-Polish string again backwards (which is LL(1)), which should be much faster than building a parse tree in applications that don't need one < 1730671209 583729 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the reason I don't like the idea of a separate lexer is that often lexing is context-dependent (to the extent that POSIX yacc has to precisely define the parser's evaluation order to let it interact with the lexer correctly, which in turn makes a lot of interesting optimisations impossible) < 1730671260 141207 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :given that a lexer can easily be expressed in the format typically used for parsers, it makes so much more sense for the parser and lexer to be in the same source file and same automaton – that way you get lexer context-dependence for free, and can check for ambiguities across lexer and parser together < 1730671336 770970 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw, I think it makes sense for both lexers *and parsers* to have a way to explicitly allow/ban particular things in the right context < 1730671344 760667 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. to say "an identifier cannot be followed by a letter" < 1730671359 950845 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as a way to precisely describe disambiguation rules < 1730671495 483585 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe *this* is what tagless-final encoding is for. The parse tree only exists as an intermediate type which is reliably optimized out of the resulting call graph. < 1730671544 342483 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know catern has used this. They're also fairly opinionated, so it's worth being skeptical. Ditto with Oleg, who I think is the origin of the name "tagless-final". < 1730671622 538417 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :On lexers: they can increase the effective power of a parser, right? e.g. Python lexers emit INDENT and DEDENT tokens, letting a PEG parse an otherwise-context-sensitive grammar. < 1730671713 954154 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: only by increasing the effective power of a lexer < 1730671739 161344 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :finite-state machines can't do indent/dedent either, so if you are extending a lexer to be able to do that, you could alternatively extend a parser to be able to do that < 1730671767 820880 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which might be important if the indent/dedent behaviour was different in two different places in the same input (imagine a parser for mixed Python and Haskell) < 1730672117 473881 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.116.231 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730672171 889710 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Oh, good point. I guess "power" is an overloaded word. Like, Python can be lexed in linear time (because every token piece is recognized by a regex), so it doesn't raise the practical time complexity of an amortized-linear PEG parser. < 1730672193 70705 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe the Chomsky hierarchy is not that useful? < 1730672209 680809 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :2 and 3 seem to be the only practically useful parts < 1730672254 964110 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because they put restrictions on things that are often possible to comply with and give you nice properties that can be exploited to, say, write linear-time parsers < 1730672258 142981 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :CFGs do feel like some sort of natural ceiling. And I guess we should be glad that recognition is in P, cubic even! < 1730672399 641484 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in practice recognition is quadratic, it only becomes cubic if you the input exposes an ambiguity in the grammar, at which point you could reasonably reject it (thus, the cubic case is only useful when using dynamic precedence resolution rules) < 1730672436 913675 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...Maybe it's because of applicative trees. Concrete parses for CFGs always yield a well-behaved rooted tree. For CSGs I don't know what we get; like trees with a per-forest context? And eventually when we get to TMs we have traces of machine actions. < 1730672649 367970 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"if the indent/dedent behaviour was different in two different places in the same input" => it kind of is, newlines are ignores in string literals, blank lines after a backslash continuation marker, and most interestingly inside parenthesis of any kind, so you have to recognize balanced parenthesis < 1730672700 464115 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: ooh, so Python's lexer has to do paren matching, which is the standard example of something that belongs in a parser and not a lexer < 1730672759 965767 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the CFG can ignore indent/dedent inside of expressions < 1730672764 582707 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep, Python descendants are required to not just measure indent depth but also keep a bracket/paren stack. And modern Python also includes E-style quasiliterals, which require the lexer to keep a QL piece stack. < 1730672778 93252 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I don't know what Python *does*. < 1730672795 558481 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1730672797 191009 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't looked at ECMAScript's specification in a while. I wonder how they added "template literals", their E-style QLs. < 1730672803 567897 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some programs will do some of the things together for various reasons, and for some programs, the result of the parser could control the working of lexer as well as other way around < 1730672815 682889 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, that doesn't work, it indeed has to be done by the lexer < 1730672833 485035 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What is "E-style quasiliterals"? < 1730672863 386104 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hiding context-sensitive stuff in lexer + postprocessing after parsing is standard anyway < 1730672886 405753 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The most egregious example is dealing with identifiers and scope. < 1730672888 402599 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: you can imagine it as four or fivr stages instead of just a lexer and parser: first you lex most tokens including find the end of single-line or multi-line literals and single-line comments, then you match parenthesis (of all kind), then you find the newlines that matter and mark ident and dedent tokens, then you do the rest < 1730672891 423979 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rust lets you do things like let a = 4; let b = 5; println!("a = {a} and b = {b}"); < 1730672918 181470 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I know how it does that, identifier ! ( … ) runs arbitrary code on what's inside the parentheses, which has a rule that the parentheses have to match and not many other rules < 1730672934 169040 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :E-style is an extension of what Perl had; you can do `this kind of $variable interpolation`, but also `pattern-match @piece by @piece with backtracking` and e`def embed { any.legal($ast) }` as a splice. < 1730672935 840607 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that code returns a parse tree that gets inserted at that point in the source < 1730672986 381400 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I agree that identifiers/scope is effectively a major part of parsing that parser formalisms gloss over < 1730672994 10494 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and have been wondering about how to fit it directly into a parsing automaton < 1730673086 950687 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In PostScript, a {} block is a single token that can contain other tokens. The // prefix makes that the value of the token is whatever the following name refers to at the time of being tokenized, rather than the value of the token being the name itself (which it is if the // prefix is omitted). < 1730673108 724963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :attribute grammars try to do that kind of things, right? < 1730673160 368644 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(AIUI they *embrace* the CFG approximation but try to incorporate post-processing inside the grammar in a formal way.) < 1730673187 215709 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: In LPEG I found myself wanting a GENSYM bytecode. I also needed to gensym when doing miniKanren and couldn't find a way to do it. < 1730673341 819631 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730673425 174625 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: also python parsing runs into the problem where a variable or tuple constructor call can appear syntactically either in an expression/rvalue or a pattern/lvalue, they mean different things in the two syntactical contexts, and you pretty much have to do the whole parsing blindly before you can determine which occurrances are in pattern/lvalue context. < 1730673519 322088 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also there's a third context, patterns for case statements, which you *can* recognize in advance, but they're somewhat similar to ordinary patterns/lvalues, so you have to figure out how not to duplicate the shared part of syntax and semantics < 1730673561 434043 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: what does the right-context look like, to make the same left-context into either an expression or pattern? < 1730673568 470286 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, "=" probably < 1730673580 830736 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…I have suddenly realised why Rust says "if let" and not just "if" < 1730673601 513652 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's to let whatever comes after "let" unambiguously parse as a pattern < 1730673713 220079 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep, same with E "def", ECMAScript "let" and "const", Monte "object". Not Python "class" though; they just required INDENT first! < 1730673741 529070 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: there's like ten different productions for lvalue context. assignment statement `lvalue = rvalue`, for loop head `for lvalue in rvalue`, with statement head, expect clause head, after `for` in an array/iterator/dictionary display eg. `[rvalue for lvalue in rvalue]`, and probably more that I forget < 1730673758 155767 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and of course inside a tuple or array in lvalue context too < 1730673831 765817 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've seen this same problem when making one of geo or scan by the way < 1730673870 671055 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this reminded me of something else: I realised recently that assignment operations are "backwards" and should place the variable being assigned to on the right, so that the statement reads in order < 1730673893 893970 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :«e = a.b().c().d()» makes you jump back to the start of the statement after reaching the end < 1730673933 140652 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I realised a bit less recently that pointer dereference should be postfix, for the same reason – it is in Pascal, but prefix in C for some reason, which is why it needs a separate -> syntax) < 1730673936 170771 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Rust also does the C thing where `a = b` is an expression. < 1730673956 44165 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: sure, but that isn't mutually exclusive with pattern matches < 1730673979 794549 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's no reason why (x, y) = (1, 2) couldn't assign to two different variables and return the same tuple that was matched against < 1730673987 715416 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well the semantics of if a = false and if let a = false are quite different < 1730674011 341261 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, I see < 1730674035 781062 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the former cares about the boolean value assigned to a, the latter about whether the assignment was possible < 1730675164 314884 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: in rust that doesn't really work because it would have to copy x and y which isn't always possible < 1730675191 293719 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, it'd have to copy the tuple < 1730675194 913778 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which can be done if it's Copy < 1730675212 504332 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, and copying the tuple has to copy its members < 1730675234 780717 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but x and y aren't the members, 1 and 2 are < 1730675253 440973 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :most languages with chained assignments return the value being assigned, not the variable being assigned to (Perl is weird in that respect) < 1730675263 15393 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, 1 and 2 are of copiable types < 1730675285 926876 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like we're agreeing with each other? < 1730675294 2532 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also is it true that BASIC dialects differ in what `LET X = Y = 0` means? < 1730675325 104144 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it wouldn't surprise me, but OTOH I'd expect it to be a parse error in many of them < 1730675590 355025 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-29-33.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1730676349 174759 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :has anyone done something like this? https://discuss.kotlinlang.org/t/an-alternative-to-checked-exceptions-that-actually-works-for-catching-bugs/23079 < 1730676394 708249 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd /expect/ it to compare Y and 0 and assign X a value based on that. < 1730676832 583055 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: Have you seen Elm or its offspring, like Derw or Roc? They propose to take one of Standard ML's memes seriously: well-typed programs *cannot* go wrong. < 1730676908 566183 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1730676914 734169 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wouldn't recommend *using* Elm, due to serious implementation issues, but it's good food for thought. < 1730676942 357573 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe if it had global typestate < 1730676962 971042 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, what kinds of faults can be caught anyway? What does it mean to have an unexpected fault coming through your call frame? < 1730677040 342218 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you know about global typestate? < 1730677059 517920 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :My language Cammy is pursuing the same meme from a different angle, via OCaml's tradition. But I gave up on exceptions entirely; a Cammy expression *cannot* go wrong, and type failures can only happen at the very beginning and end of the program, when the caller makes a mistake. < 1730677232 827947 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know that exact phrase. Searching gives me this paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.13101 I know the typestate pattern; I'm more interested in structural approaches, but it seems alright for a nominal approach. < 1730677322 999535 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :At that point, though, I'd argue that the language should add algebraic laws instead of putting more work into the typechecker. It'd be a better investment that covers the same theorem-proving territory. < 1730677392 573161 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :global typestate is an approach to solving signal safety < 1730677418 250760 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :we would like to see global typestate in rust, and deprecation/removal of existing rust globals < 1730677429 468950 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :but anyway < 1730677486 320963 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :that paper appears to be about global analysis of typestate, so... slightly different issue < 1730677561 973399 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1730677734 488842 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :(is "deprecating globals" esoteric enough for #esolangs ?) < 1730678196 705716 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would think that in BASIC, "LET X = Y = 0" would set X to -1 if the value of Y is zero or 0 if nonzero, although different implementations might do differently < 1730678244 661586 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :A program that I had partially written and am continuing to do, is converting a custom ASCII-text-based format that I had made up into DER format, and the parsing in that program has its own way of working; e.g. the tokenizer only reads the beginning of a string and the rest of the string literal is parsed by the function that encodes it. < 1730678259 537379 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which escape codes are allowed in a string literal depends on its type, and there are other stuff as well < 1730678347 101029 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: Signal safety is definitely esoteric. Have you considered not doing signals instead? < 1730678388 52458 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: but where's the fun in that :D < 1730678710 18815 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine being the first programming language to provide signal-safety while still having fully-featured signal handling < 1730678720 93342 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a0a-a543-6c1d-0-5217-e5e2-16c8-3101.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1730678731 354605 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and being a pain to use, but we digress) < 1730678960 478110 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.116.231 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730678965 28477 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't want to handle signals. I want to politely ignore their existence. < 1730678984 449813 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or, if I have an event loop, then I want signals to politely wait their turn. < 1730679498 416529 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh okay so you're not into challenges, got it < 1730679575 441742 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.116.231 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730680137 74263 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Indeed, I think that secure distributed computing should not be difficult. As a special case, I think that single-user single-machine computing should not be difficult. < 1730680191 201477 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1730680573 359639 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.116.231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730680704 195213 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :why not make signal handling secure? < 1730681041 739620 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I realised a while back that asynchronous signals are, in effect, a form of user input < 1730681094 742690 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is why handling them in the event loop makes sense < 1730681117 824102 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: Signals create "stale stack frames", so to speak; they interrupt a computation in a way that leaves cleanup unspecified. < 1730681122 808929 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can see potential exceptions for things like lease breaks in noninteractive code, though < 1730681142 820173 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: stack frames aren't real < 1730681168 765664 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's all global state < 1730681175 979130 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, say you're reading and processing a really large file, and then the OS tells you that some process is about to change the file while you're reading it, and if you don't stop reading it in 2 seconds you will get undefined behaviour < 1730681176 18786 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: How is an object supposed to preserve internal invariants if it can be interrupted at any moment and possibly never restored? < 1730681218 762280 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can see wanting to handle that without a full event loop < 1730681237 79237 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: there's an easy answer to that actually! how do you pre-poop your pants? < 1730681291 179073 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Soni: How is an object supposed to preserve internal invariants if it can be interrupted at any moment and possibly never restored? ← clearly by using only atomic changes < 1730681293 319919 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could make said object completely inaccessible ("leaking is safe") < 1730681355 699174 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yes, "anything that is interrupted leaks" can also be a reasonable way to make things work sometimes, although if that rule is applied too blindly you end up leaking the entire computer < 1730681363 979194 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is safe but not particularly useful, or even particularly easy to define < 1730681373 123280 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and you should. the allocator? yeah, can't touch that anymore. you're welcome!) < 1730681413 967312 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know that event loops just came up, but we're not talking about politely pausing computation on an isolated actor and synchronizing its state using some sort of global orthogonal persistence. We were talking about UNIX-style signals. < 1730681446 211746 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: asynchronous UNIX-style signals can and should be handled in an event loop as long as you can make sure it runs often enough < 1730681449 378575 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :how do processes manage preempting-safety < 1730681471 286408 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yes, that's the right answer. < 1730681510 269217 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But at that point they're not signals, but some sort of magic FD or magic syscall. < 1730681511 314506 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay, give us an event loop that can handle SIGSEGV :v < 1730681530 849231 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the main exception is for noninteractive processes, where the correct behaviour is a little harder to define – you may need a "signal pump" specifically for interacting with signals, when the program doesn't take input normally < 1730681536 929596 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: SIGSEGV is a synchronous signal < 1730681555 49048 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :normally, at least (it is possible to send a process a synthetic SIGSEGV but doing so is very rare) < 1730681561 117703 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and not one that you'd ordinarily handle < 1730681578 117072 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :SIGSEGV is the main reason to use signals < 1730681580 778705 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: handling synchronous SIGSEGV isn't a totally weird thing to do, there are libraries for it < 1730681591 66063 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. https://www.gnu.org/software/libsigsegv/ < 1730681607 916700 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION finds it ironic that the person who wants to eliminate globals is now asking to tackle a mechanism that's objectively worse cleanly. < 1730681612 468855 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but at that point, it is happening in known locations of your code so it doesn't act at all like an asynchronous signal any more, just a weird sort of if statmenet < 1730681626 960051 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Event loops really should be run on top of GC, but I can imagine wanting to handle them in the underlying runtime, and this sort of library < 1730681646 359403 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :most high-performance language VMs use it < 1730681648 472925 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I still think it's not something you'd usually do. < 1730681649 211728 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: what do you mean by "on top of" here? < 1730681672 716954 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But maybe I'm naive to think that. < 1730681714 89340 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: it's not something I'd normally do because I prefer the technique of allocating huge amounts of address space, in such a way that the physical memory backing it is allocated lazily < 1730681722 612122 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :(luajit, JVM, V8, wasm2c, ...) < 1730681723 971458 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that way there are fewer calls into the kernel < 1730681735 692041 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm not sure how many OSes support that < 1730681780 668245 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: sometimes we shouldn't ask if we should, but if we can. and we think we can.] < 1730681782 22632 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Like, the actual message-handling actions should not have to do any manual allocation. Google's Native Client is a good historic example of how it just can't be made secure. < 1730681787 697090 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: VMs aren't your usual application code. < 1730681790 438758 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is very useful to have some way to allocate memory lazily, though, and making use of the page fault if you access a paged-out page of memory is one of the better ways to do it < 1730681827 979195 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: are you talking about allocating memory in signal handlers? < 1730681840 155858 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: unless you're in #esolangs :p < 1730681852 139034 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was a huge problem for me in NH4 – malloc traditionally doesn't work in signal handlers and it took a while to figure out how to work around the issue < 1730681864 265695 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Eh I'd rather piggy-back on an existing VM than write my own. YMMV. < 1730681876 531442 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Huh, effectively, I guess yeah. I wasn't thinking of it that way. < 1730681906 618915 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm pretty sure that it is possible to write an async-signal-safe malloc, at least in some programming languages (I think it might not be possible in Rust, though) < 1730681917 539013 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(at least, not without inline asm) < 1730681972 968118 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: we don't want it < 1730681987 461649 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :who's "we"? < 1730681995 161954 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I want an async-signal-safe malloc, at least < 1730682011 355348 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni's pluralizing themselves all the time. < 1730682028 139054 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, I see < 1730682034 426082 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :we want this more than anything https://docs.rs/stdworld/0.1.1/src/std/lib.rs.html#1-156 < 1730682065 696432 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :because why should a signal handler be able to use the allocator when the allocator isn't signal-safe < 1730682157 3832 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :why solve a problem when you can just avoid it instead < 1730682159 8460 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is easily fixed using capabilities, I think? being able to allocate memory is a type of capability < 1730682169 538675 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can make it available to most code, but not to signal handlers < 1730682188 620795 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :being able to allocate memory implies access to a &mut GlobalAllocator < 1730682220 891336 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :just gotta tie that &mut to regular code and forbid it from crossing into a signal handler < 1730682230 368725 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the GlobalAllocator object is a type of capability, in that ase < 1730682231 855618 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* case < 1730682238 489259 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :(just like Send and Sync prevent crossing into threads) < 1730682246 671738 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :code that has it can allocate, code that doesn't have it can't < 1730682260 244019 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1730682276 28552 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :and unsafe code can make their own :v < 1730682294 350459 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :but why stop at allocators < 1730682312 611864 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you don't, of course < 1730682325 136152 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :what happens if we move the entire global context and state into an object you carry around and pass into stuff < 1730682341 418932 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: I've been meaning to write a blog post on how to make doing that ergonomic < 1730682342 13532 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is to say, what if global state were a type(state) < 1730682378 58938 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is clearly an improvement, if you can find good syntax for it < 1730682397 392246 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :*nod* < 1730682402 892103 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not just global *state*, though, also things like global permissions < 1730682409 223981 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :how do you find good syntax for it without experimenting with it < 1730682411 667235 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"ability to send messages to the printer", for example < 1730682418 86812 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :eh < 1730682424 497190 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :we don't need permissions < 1730682426 421789 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is not a state, it contains no bits of information < 1730682435 958612 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it is something that should be guarded the same way < 1730682456 711530 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially because sometimes these things can't be done re-entrantly < 1730682458 655473 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :did you read the comments in stdworld? < 1730682465 378680 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I skimmed some of htem < 1730682482 809098 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it seems like it's still in its early stages < 1730682504 988291 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :is this useful extra context? https://users.rust-lang.org/t/new-signal-safe-std-replacement-looking-for-contributors-to-help-reimplement-all-of-std/117063 < 1730682562 943284 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also yes we propose just making implicit) < 1730682607 566982 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Indeed, thinking of the computer as a robot, all of the ways that the CPU can signal the robot to act in the outside world are each their own capability. Discovering and wrapping these is known as *taming*. < 1730682616 729096 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, I think it is important that global state and permissions and capabilities are all managed by a system like this – it is pointless reimplementing all of std to just get working unloading and signal-safety, when capability-safety is probably more important in practice and also requires implementing all of std < 1730682658 241820 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have considered going further, making things like loops that can't be proven finite require a capability to do < 1730682665 773829 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that permissions and capabilities should be handled by the operating system, though < 1730682666 676831 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :if we have this we effectively have capabilities, even if we don't use them ourselves < 1730682670 538479 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although you can't do that within most existing langauges < 1730682684 742222 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yes solving the halting problem lol < 1730682697 632116 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"can't be proven finite" doesn't require solving the halting problem < 1730682711 514355 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, I meant "haven't been proven finite", you don't have to prove that there's no proof < 1730682747 545343 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :we don't wanna go anywhere near halting problem stuff tbh < 1730682788 474434 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: They are, kind of. In seL4, allocators and arenas are OS-managed handles, like file descriptors. It's something the OS has to be built around, though. < 1730682798 338861 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the problem with what you're doing is that you have a project that a) will take a lot of work to complete and b) has a precisely limited scope that makes it useful only for a few applications and not for otheres < 1730682809 986014 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: have you tried woodcarving < 1730682811 464554 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hear Fuschia is cool, although I didn't take it seriously due to the Googliness. < 1730682822 699191 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would be a more useful project if the scope were larger, especially given how much work it would take, because it would then be useful to more peopel < 1730682838 786290 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :the useful thing about worlds is preventing mistakes, while everyone who says the word capabilities is thinking about control < 1730682841 301853 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I feel like permissions and capabilities kind-of need the programming language and OS to cooperate < 1730682870 886262 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :capabilities can also prevent mistakes (e.g. simultaneous overwrites of the same file) < 1730682893 242273 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but they're also very useful when, e.g. using untrusted dependencies < 1730682897 544669 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that the OS has to be built around, yes. And, I had some idea of making such operating system, and all I/O uses a "capability" object. < 1730682900 370492 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also that it'll push you to artificially limit some loops to 2**128 iterations long instead of potentially infinite, so that you have a proof that they're finite < 1730682901 849368 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :unsafe code can make their own worlds < 1730682904 822310 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that could be untrusted in the sense of "I think this might do something malicious", and you use the capabilities to sandbox it < 1730682913 795970 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: The computer doesn't know what a mistake is. It can't make that sort of moral judgement computationally. < 1730682920 369063 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it could also be untrusted in the sense of "I think this might be buggy", and you use the capabilities to limit the damage if it is < 1730682924 450102 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had seen some stuff about Fuschia. I do not agree with all of the design, but a few of my ideas are similar < 1730682925 41904 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and we make a point of supporting that) < 1730682958 497272 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: Have you seen Capsicum? It's supported on one of the BSDs still, I think. All I/O happens through FDs and a single syscall. < 1730682961 418723 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: yes; I'm aware of the problem and suspect it's fixable but I don't yet know how < 1730682986 30438 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had seen Capsicum too. < 1730683035 133751 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're here trying to fix the hexchat-plugin crate and nobody cares, everyone thinks we should just leave it unsound forever < 1730683039 165327 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean sometimes that's a good thing, though for smaller numbers. sometimes I deliberately put a limit, much smaller than 2**128, that I think the loop shouldn't reach, to catch infinite loop bugs earlier < 1730683080 846928 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :meh < 1730683080 937624 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, my view of things is a) the type system in statically typed programming languages is a really good way to model capabilities/permissions and ensure that mistakes in using them are caught at compile-time; b) the OS generally doesn't have a way to confirm that programs perform only operations allowed by a language type system, so it needs to redo the checks itself in such a way that it could catch a program doing malicious things outside the bounds of < 1730683082 331754 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the language it's allegedly written in < 1730683084 458231 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :My idea involves that messages consists of bytes and/or capabilities, and a program receives an initial message when it starts; a program that discards all of its capabilities will terminate (a program that waits for any single capability from an empty set also terminates, and is the usual way to do so) < 1730683097 46454 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: there's work on tracking resource bounds in types but I'm not sure any of that is practical. < 1730683109 578772 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I did a PhD on this stuff < 1730683124 978858 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but mostly it was proving that the standard approach for doing it couldn't possibly work < 1730683142 745475 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :neat < 1730683146 242749 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :we wanna move on, this topic is too frustrating < 1730683150 365937 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: No worries. It's easy to get overwhelmed with personal infrastructure when also trying to build big libraries for everybody else. Take it slow; there's no rush. < 1730683197 227270 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :not exactly a programming language but still cursed: do you know the difference between editing text in bash, writing a text editor in bash, and turning bash into a text editor? < 1730683197 574114 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :A program can also create its own capabilities (proxy capabilities), and programs cannot tell the difference of a proxy capability from any other one. Furthermore, such things as date/time and random numbers is also considered to be I/O, therefore programs can be made deterministic. < 1730683200 726821 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :most of what I've seen is struggling to establish bounds for small things... like sorting algorithms, up to relatively simple Okasaki style amortized cost things. < 1730683230 218852 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I agree that something like that would be beneficial – I don't know whether or not you have the details right, but the general approach is fine < 1730683265 874758 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yes, that is a valid point, some of the details might be better to do differently; they are completely decided yet < 1730683288 994115 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: Yes! And that's why actors end up getting reinvented; capabilities are essentially endpoints where messages are delivered, and also where messages are emitted, with some sort of partial order s.t. no observers disagree about ordering. < 1730683311 509174 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually, it strike me that in all the discussions about operating systems we've had over the years in #esolangs / (and previously #esoteric) < 1730683319 249270 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have read about actor systems as well, and my idea is also similar than that too < 1730683322 701686 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :all the ideas I can remember are consistent with each other and look towards a similar approach for implementing it < 1730683336 977231 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And yeah, you have to tame the system's ambient authority, including timers and entropy. Nix does this too, as do some other build systems. < 1730683366 58717 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is quite amazing, given what the channel is about, and especially given that OSes typically *don't* work like that < 1730683374 815608 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :sigh we're gonna get dragged back into this < 1730683382 84126 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( shouldn't they be called re-actors ) < 1730683384 138581 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like everyone has independently decided "this approach is better" < 1730683387 965134 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :how do you use capabilities on a bare metal microcontroller in asm < 1730683408 561735 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, those don't have an OS < 1730683415 853615 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1730683430 811155 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :so? < 1730683432 348721 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the answer is probably "they exist in the language you're compiing into the asm from, and the compiler ensures there are no incorrect uses of capabilities" < 1730683435 376991 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should go look for an seL4/Genode hardware compatibility list. I have a couple old Raspberry Pis... < 1730683443 119442 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :no no, in asm < 1730683443 169768 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that if the compiler is correct, you know the program doesn't have capability violations < 1730683463 551608 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: Machine code usually *isn't* capability-safe. < 1730683467 878600 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you mean by "use capabilities" here < 1730683471 990740 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :machine code isn't asm < 1730683477 469170 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :My idea would be that it would also define how the system call interface in the machine code is working in each computer type, so you can use them in assembly language as well, and it will be capability-safe too < 1730683493 812287 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, statically typed asm should in theory be possible, you could add ZSTs to that < 1730683511 491672 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, lots of it would compile down to nothing and you wouldn't be able to see it upon disassembling the machien code < 1730683525 482004 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, the portable API would be defined mainly for C, and for the "Command, Automation, and Query Language" as well < 1730683543 177757 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes the entire point of typed asm is that it erases the types when assembling < 1730683561 432493 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it can still check constraints and other stuff < 1730683569 526360 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :invariants and whatnot < 1730683575 520786 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is a history of capability-safe machines. AIUI the oldest is the Burroughs B5000: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burroughs_Large_Systems < 1730683590 565541 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I suppose you could make static typed assembly but some things you might want to do in assembly language you might not always want it < 1730683607 549225 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :x86-64 has different commands to operate on SSE registers as floats and as integers, which is notable because it has different commands even when you're performing an operation like a copy that works the same way on both data types < 1730683609 170058 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :not with that attitude < 1730683612 657779 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :These basically embed file-descriptor indirections ("capability tables" or "cap tables" in cap lore) into the CPU's way of looking at memory. The CPU can tell whether you're allowed to do what you're trying to do. < 1730683631 8770 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and apparently, some processors have a slowdown if you use an integer operation on a register that was most recently read/written as a float, or vice versa < 1730683647 603554 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :why can't types be aware of such things as self-modifying code? < 1730683654 256836 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Today, look for CHERI for examples of this. Also The Mill would have similar tables, but complicated. < 1730683666 538852 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :self-modifying code doesn't work very well on modern processors < 1730683676 18707 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they like to read ahead a long way and run lots of pieces of code in parallel < 1730683682 235067 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there is a program in uxn for doing something similar than static typed assembly, although I do not use it (and even if you do use it, you can use square brackets to suppress warnings about such things) < 1730683689 751850 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if code self-modifies, then either they ignore the modification or they have to discard a lot of work to incorporate the modification < 1730683693 882267 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're not talking about modern processors < 1730683725 379969 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :well you'd still want unsafe blocks probably, like in rust < 1730683757 579337 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :(unsafe blocks in an assembler...) < 1730683769 236421 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would also have that the kernel doesn't have "typed capabilities", although the rest of the system implements such things as typed capabilities. < 1730683784 139063 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: on the subject of loop limits, it may be possible to use run time as a way to prevent variables overflowing < 1730683799 1281 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: It's even odder than that -- Packed 32-bit integer and 64-bit integer xor are different instructions, I think. < 1730683804 98757 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :say you have 64-bit reference counts, and they are only ever increased and decreased by small integers < 1730683830 982353 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now a reference count cannot overflow, you cannot run 2**64/(small integer) incref instructions to overflow it, the program does not run for that long < 1730683839 888761 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you can optimise out the overflow checks < 1730683860 441953 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpxord %ymm0, %ymm1, %ymm2 < 1730683862 78308 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 62 f1 75 28 ef d0 vpxord %ymm0,%ymm1,%ymm2 < 1730683865 961805 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpxorq %ymm0, %ymm1, %ymm2 < 1730683867 316770 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 62 f1 f5 28 ef d0 vpxorq %ymm0,%ymm1,%ymm2 < 1730683901 107149 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is that just because the instruction encoding is regular, or is there a reason to stick with the same number of lanes across operations or something? < 1730683919 89288 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: a quick check of the docs implies that this only happens with AVX512 encodings specifically < 1730683923 809161 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which makes it probably a case of regular encoding < 1730683940 198789 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpxor %ymm0, %ymm1, %ymm2 < 1730683941 642325 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: c5 f5 ef d0 vpxor %ymm0,%ymm1,%ymm2 < 1730683972 618701 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, no, the operations are acutally different < 1730683980 897072 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had not used modern x86-64 assembly language, although I had examined the assembly code output from compilers < 1730683981 981782 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :AVX512 supports masks to operate only on a subset of the inputs < 1730683991 71923 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, to only write a subset of the values to the output register < 1730684003 68122 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, interesting, these packed 32-bit/64-bit xor instructions are AVX512. < 1730684010 318928 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the D versus Q would affect the meaning of the mask, even though it doesn't affect the meaning of the XOR < 1730684033 201769 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpxord {k1} %ymm0, %ymm1, %ymm2 < 1730684034 561252 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: invalid char '{' beginning operand 1 `{k1} %ymm0' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: junk `} %ymm0' after expression < 1730684044 78750 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpxord %ymm0, {k1} %ymm1, %ymm2 < 1730684045 497243 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: invalid char '{' beginning operand 2 `{k1} %ymm1' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: junk `} %ymm1' after expression < 1730684049 268351 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpxord %ymm0 {k1}, %ymm1, %ymm2 < 1730684050 560394 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 62 f1 75 29 ef c2 vpxord ymm0{k1},ymm1,ymm2 < 1730684053 618686 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there we go < 1730684066 189108 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the meaning of k1 is affected by the d < 1730684068 249774 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, fair enough. < 1730684087 741931 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's still kind of funny that the unmasked instructions are different. < 1730684118 527452 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't looked at the AVX512 encodings very closely. Maybe the unmasked instructions are just a special case of the masked instructions or something, so this happens naturally. < 1730684125 529057 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, but given how there are 15 times as many masked as unmasked variants, it doesn't really make sense to remove one of the unmasked versions, it'd hardly save any encoding space < 1730684175 246615 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why 15 times? Is it 15 mask registers or something, and unmasked is just encoded as another mask register? < 1730684201 502298 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, no, I misremembered, it is 8 < 1730684208 402619 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought there were 16, one of which indicated unmasked < 1730684238 946694 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Note that from this set of 8 architectural registers, only k1 through k7 can be addressed as predicate oper- ands. k0 can be used as a regular source or destination but cannot be encoded as a predicate operand. < 1730684289 12048 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so there are 8, in theory, but only 7 of them can be encoded into an instruction whose purpose is anything other than manipulating mask registers < 1730684303 896311 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, interesting. < 1730684332 447409 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you actually want fast unmasked xor on AVX512, you'd use vpternlog. < 1730684403 483932 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, if you're xoring more than two things, which is presumably pretty common. < 1730684414 118957 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpxord %ymm0 {k1}, %ymm1, %ymm2 < 1730684415 684584 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 62 f1 75 29 ef c2 vpxord ymm0{k1},ymm1,ymm2 < 1730684418 48716 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpxord %ymm0 {k0}, %ymm1, %ymm2 < 1730684419 465388 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: unknown vector operation: `{k0}' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: `%k0' can't be used for write mask < 1730684435 178912 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpxord %ymm0 {k1}{z}, %ymm1, %ymm2 < 1730684436 784857 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 62 f1 75 a9 ef c2 vpxord ymm0{k1}{z},ymm1,ymm2 < 1730684457 269396 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still haven't found the part of the documentation which says that 000 encodes no mask < 1730684486 378655 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm .byte 0x62,0xf1,0x75,0x28,0xef,0xd2 < 1730684487 715559 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 62 f1 75 28 ef d2 vpxord %ymm2,%ymm1,%ymm2 < 1730684505 961857 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpternlogd $0x96, %ymm0, %ymm1, %ymm2 < 1730684507 260688 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 62 f3 75 28 25 d0 96 vpternlogd $0x96,%ymm0,%ymm1,%ymm2 < 1730684513 112436 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpxord %ymm0, %ymm1, %ymm2{k0} < 1730684514 357055 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: unknown vector operation: `{k0}' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: `%k0' can't be used for write mask < 1730684517 420823 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpxord %ymm0, %ymm1, %ymm2{k1} < 1730684518 572843 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: unknown vector operation: `{k1}' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: mask not on destination operand for `vpxord' < 1730684539 988468 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hate how long these instructions are < 1730684570 203741 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've only written a small amount of AVX512 code. I didn't use the masking at all there. < 1730684576 7061 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm .byte 0x62,0xf1,0x75,0xa8,0xef,0xd2 < 1730684577 268669 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 62 f1 75 a8 ef d2 vpxord %ymm2,%ymm1,%ymm2{z} < 1730684641 374470 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vgf2p8affineqb $0, %zmm0, %zmm1, %zmm2 # the other great instruction in AVX512 < 1730684643 229104 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 62 f3 f5 48 ce d0 00 vgf2p8affineqb $0x0,%zmm0,%zmm1,%zmm2 < 1730684649 461389 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :termlog and gf2p8affineqb are where it's at. < 1730684674 549310 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use Intel syntax when writing SSEish/AVXish code, because with AT&T syntax I find it too hard to figure out which order the arguments are supposed to be in < 1730684682 269910 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree. < 1730684695 771380 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm used to AT&T syntax but I think I should just switch to Intel syntax everywhere for this reason. < 1730684712 551762 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do like the % signs on registers to stop them clashing with variables, though < 1730684724 634285 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if someone adds a new register that has the same name as a variable you're using… < 1730684727 601422 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or maybe I should switch to ARM or RISC-V syntaxes. < 1730684747 878814 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but people get angry with me when I use Intel argument order with % on registers, even though gas supports it < 1730684772 168684 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpxord %ymm2,%ymm1,%ymm2{z} < 1730684773 450205 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: zeroing-masking only allowed with write mask \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: zeroing-masking only allowed with write mask < 1730684779 348752 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah. cool. < 1730684837 419092 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCLMULQDQ is a fun instruction, that I may even have used as VPCLMULQDQ < 1730684844 292294 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am not quite sure why it has an SSE encoding, I think it's newer than SSE is < 1730684863 288461 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(But what happens if you execute that 0x62,0xf1,0x75,0xa8,0xef,0xd2 on real hardware? Will it fault or execute as an unmasked vpxord? < 1730684883 148762 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpclmullqlqdq %xmm1, %xmm2 < 1730684885 490209 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: number of operands mismatch for `vpclmullqlqdq' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: number of operands mismatch for `vpclmullqlqdq' < 1730684896 752432 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpclmullqlqdq %xmm1, %xmm2, %xmm3 < 1730684898 695443 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: c4 e3 69 44 d9 00 vpclmullqlqdq %xmm1,%xmm2,%xmm3 < 1730684959 179035 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpclmullqlqdq %zmm1, %zmm2, %zmm3 < 1730684960 584950 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: operand size mismatch for `vpclmullqlqdq' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: operand size mismatch for `vpclmullqlqdq' < 1730684972 771896 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpclmullqlqdq %ymm1, %ymm2, %ymm3 < 1730684974 26183 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: operand size mismatch for `vpclmullqlqdq' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: operand size mismatch for `vpclmullqlqdq' < 1730685008 790337 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :how does that mnemonic work... low quad, low quad, double quad. < 1730685009 252025 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, that should be encodeable with ymm registers < 1730685012 618669 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: right < 1730685037 830006 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, I have this habit of starting a question... and then looking up the answer and reporting it along with it :P < 1730685041 149072 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is an abbreviation/shortcut mnemonic which is somehow harder to remember and longer than the instruction it abbreviates < 1730685056 508795 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpclmulqdq %xmm1, %xmm2, %xmm3, 0x00 < 1730685058 157165 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: c4 e3 69 44 cb 00 vpclmullqlqdq xmm1,xmm2,xmm3 < 1730685099 550971 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpclmulqdq %xmm1, %xmm2, %xmm3, 0x11 < 1730685101 21331 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: c4 e3 69 44 cb 11 vpclmulhqhqdq xmm1,xmm2,xmm3 < 1730685135 858329 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm vpclmulqdq %xmm1, %xmm2, %xmm3, 0x23 < 1730685137 480936 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: c4 e3 69 44 cb 23 vpclmulqdq xmm1,xmm2,xmm3,0x23 < 1730685160 858601 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the disassembler is scared to abbreviate when you set some of the ignored bits in the immediate :-) < 1730685211 778872 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm pext ax, bx, cx < 1730685213 149850 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: too many memory references for `pext' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: operand size mismatch for `pext' < 1730685221 23747 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :*reading* yeah apparently that's legal < 1730685223 889068 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm pext eax, ebx, ecx < 1730685225 234401 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: c4 e2 62 f5 c1 pext eax,ebx,ecx < 1730685259 406903 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I might need to do a spot of the carryless multiplication soon to speed up a CRC thing. < 1730685263 322142 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that's the INTERCAL select instruction) < 1730685282 403863 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fun to see a three-operand instruction that operates on the general-purpose integer registers < 1730685290 308679 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm pext eax, ebx, esp < 1730685291 902287 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: c4 e2 62 f5 c4 pext eax,ebx,esp < 1730685314 381853 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm pext eax, ebx, eip < 1730685315 617548 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: too many memory references for `pext' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: operand type mismatch for `pext' < 1730685328 458754 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't think you'd be able to do that one, but it was worth trying < 1730685346 595724 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Interesting, it uses a VEX prefix and puts the third operand there, I guess. < 1730685367 516403 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1730685444 324306 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :C-INTERCAL compiles ~ into PEXT in some circumstances which I can't remember, it was too good an opportunity < 1730685445 793208 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can't use eip anywhere except as a memory offset, right? < 1730685451 855557 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm pext rax, rbx, [rip] < 1730685453 359851 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: c4 e2 e2 f5 05 00 00 00 00 pext rax,rbx,QWORD PTR [rip+0x0] # 0x9 < 1730685457 661805 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe that reminds me of "pop cs" that apparently worked on 8089 and 8086. < 1730685482 699087 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a return statement is actually just a pop of the IP < 1730685483 443445 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :before it was stolen as a prefix for encoding more instructions (0x0F) < 1730685486 709078 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it is given a different name < 1730685508 421992 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yes, usually you can't use RIP except for IP-relative addressing < 1730685516 931599 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm pext rax, rbx, [0x0] < 1730685519 998919 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: c4 e2 e2 f5 04 25 00 00 00 00 pext rax,rbx,QWORD PTR ds:0x0 < 1730685545 334989 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm lea rax, [rip] < 1730685546 817150 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 48 8d 05 00 00 00 00 lea rax,[rip+0x0] # 0x7 < 1730685563 12250 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was going to say lea is another three-operand instruction, but that's not true for rip, I guess. < 1730685578 719070 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :absolute-memory-address addressing (with no register) had two equivalent encodings in x86-32, one of them (the shorter one) was repurposed to mean rip-relative < 1730685595 171931 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm lea rax, [rbx + rcx + 0x4] < 1730685596 617174 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 48 8d 44 0b 04 lea rax,[rbx+rcx*1+0x4] < 1730685604 938921 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm lea rax, [rip + rcx + 0x4] < 1730685606 888718 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: invalid char '[' beginning operand 2 `[rip+rcx+0x4]' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: `[rip+rcx+0x4]' is not a valid base/index expression < 1730685640 829304 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but you can't put RIP into anything other than "[RIP + constant]" because of that < 1730685702 439296 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the longer encoding was a consequence of encoding consistency: < 1730685716 778621 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm lea rax, [rbx + 0x4] < 1730685718 309554 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 48 8d 43 04 lea rax,[rbx+0x4] < 1730685726 218683 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, not that one < 1730685730 418514 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm lea rax, [rbp + 0x4] < 1730685732 53189 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 48 8d 45 04 lea rax,[rbp+0x4] < 1730685736 131717 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm lea rax, [rsp + 0x4] < 1730685737 609680 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 48 8d 44 24 04 lea rax,[rsp+0x4] < 1730685740 118680 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there we go < 1730685745 238439 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wrote an encoder for all this ModRM/SIB business once. < 1730685748 901968 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm lea rax, [rbx*2 + 0x4] < 1730685750 622092 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 48 8d 04 5d 04 00 00 00 lea rax,[rbx*2+0x4] < 1730685770 759413 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I've mostly forgotten it already. < 1730685888 97398 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :We should have `asm for ARM. < 1730685897 446189 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat /hackenv/bin/asm < 1730685898 476947 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#!/bin/sh \ echo "$1" > /tmp/asm.s; for o in ',' '-msyntax=intel -mnaked-reg,-M intel'; do if as ${o%,*} /tmp/asm.s -o /tmp/asm.o 2>>/tmp/asm.err; then objdump ${o#*,} -d --insn-width=20 /tmp/asm.o | sed -e "1,/0000000000000000/d" | perl -pe 'if (/^\s*(\w+:)\s*((?:\w\w )+)\s*(\S.*)$/) { ($a,$b,$c) = ($1,$2,$3); $_ = "$a $b ".($c =~ s/\s+/ /rg)."\n"; }'; exit; fi; done; cat /tmp/asm.err < 1730685956 788573 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( `asmr ) < 1730685991 136511 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe just `arm < 1730686007 331615 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps `arsm? < 1730686012 15118 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: but that's less confusing :P < 1730686029 774758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :TBH `arm was my first thought < 1730686038 535250 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd rather avoid ars* < 1730686138 754375 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(there could also be a `amd64 alias for `asm to make `arm feel more systematic) < 1730686143 21990 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can GNU as cross-assemble by default? < 1730686180 486259 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know. I guess not. < 1730686223 484540 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think llvm-as can? But it doesn't seem to be installed. < 1730686353 305835 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was recently thinking about how LDAPR works, and I was confused at first, but now I think it makes sense and is kind of elegant. < 1730686422 247068 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Or rather about how LDAR works, I guess.) < 1730686449 433474 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.116.231 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730686656 964912 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` echo $(as --help | awk '/=CPU/ { x++ } (x == 1) { print }' | sed 's= *= =g') # full output at https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.28966 < 1730686658 448212 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​-march=CPU[,+EXTENSION...] generate code for CPU and EXTENSION, CPU is one of: generic32, generic64, i386, i486, i586, i686, pentium, pentiumpro, pentiumii, pentiumiii, pentium4, prescott, nocona, core, core2, corei7, l1om, k1om, iamcu, k6, k6_2, athlon, opteron, k8, amdfam10, bdver1, bdver2, bdver3, bdver4, znver1, znver2, btver1, btver2 EXTENSION is combination of: 8087, 287, 387, 687, mmx, sse, sse2, sse3, ssse3, sse4.1, sse4.2, sse4, avx, avx2, avx5 < 1730686707 826051 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so just x86 things < 1730686757 631799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I guess the `sed` isn't needed < 1730686915 102222 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Interesting, GNU as has a -mfence-as-lock-add option. < 1730686930 85047 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :"encode lfence, mfence and sfence as lock addl $0x0, (%{re}sp)" < 1730686936 36095 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is that always correct? < 1730686946 595040 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I ask because mfence is significantly slower than a locked instruction like that. < 1730686978 946404 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :At least in my tests. < 1730687102 509321 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suspect it isn't < 1730687106 522617 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`fetch /hackenv/tmp/fence.c https://shachaf.net/tmp/fence.c < 1730687109 117252 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2024-11-04 02:25:08 URL:https://shachaf.net/tmp/fence.c [1589/1589] -> "/hackenv/tmp/fence.c" [1] < 1730687169 971742 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, can't do perf in HackEso. < 1730687309 721454 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, generating lock addl $0, (%rsp) generates a false dependency on (%rsp) < 1730687333 819872 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I recently read a post suggesting doing it on an address in the red zone below (%rsp) instead, to avoid that. < 1730687354 58714 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Do you know the specific differences? < 1730687377 826490 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like this Intel pseudocode for mfence: "Wait_On_Following_Loads_And_Stores_Until(preceding_loads_and_stores_globally_visible);" < 1730689502 590276 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"64-bit reference counts, only ever increased and decreased by small integers, cannot overflow" => yes, I am aware of that trick < 1730689559 741999 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can be useful for things other than reference counts too < 1730690533 191182 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"I still haven't found the part of the documentation which says that 000 encodes no mask" => try to find the part in the Intel 64 and IA-32 Architecture Software Developer's Manual that defines how the REX prefix modifies the registers encoded by ModR/M bytes as described in vol 2 ch 2.1.5 and B.1.4. < 1730690711 351448 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] baldibacak < 1730690851 507417 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: at a guess, write-combining memory probably works differently < 1730690867 222275 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know the actual answer though < 1730691187 219885 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is why we have both the Intel and AMD manual, gnu binutils, yasm, Agner's objdump, and qemu. if some information about instruction encoding is unclear or missing in one manual, you can look them up in the other five. < 1730691225 195398 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/objdump/objconv/ < 1730691263 466037 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's six independent sources of information, each of which should completely specify the instruction encodings < 1730691291 231524 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(binutils has both an assembler and a disassembler, but I don't think the two count as independent) < 1730691372 601471 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus of course there are real CPUs to test with < 1730691419 187189 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was so much garbage file in my home dir so i rm -rf homedir now i erased every single config < 1730691429 484608 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and no cominmg back < 1730692397 589658 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730692429 350638 :babakarazaqo!~babakaraz@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] babakarazaqo < 1730692455 752536 :babakarazaqo!~babakaraz@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PART :#esolangs < 1730694174 378513 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1730699443 587209 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is it possible in Linux to disable address space randomization for a specific program (without affecting other programs)? < 1730700117 170055 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: yes, call personality(ADDR_NO_RANDOMIZE) from the process that spawns it, between the fork and exec < 1730700283 590019 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am not sure if that affects randomization done by the dynamic linker too, or just by the kernel < 1730700313 960638 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK. The man page for "personality" on my computer does not mention what argument is expected by that function < 1730700363 829918 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is it usable together with other stuff in order to be able to save/restore the program's memory (if it is not necessary to save/restore file descriptors, signals, etc, and the program does not use multiple threads)? < 1730700438 440315 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: yes, but there's a better way to do it; see PR_SET_MM in prctl(2) < 1730700478 269695 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's actually quite a lot of kernel support for checkpointing and restoring a program's memory < 1730700501 246932 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and existing programs to do it for you, so you don't need to rewrite it from scratch; I think CRIU is one of the better-known ones < 1730700582 92162 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :turning off ASLR is still useful if you need the program to run reproducibly < 1730700768 547099 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do not seem to have PR_SET_MM on my computer < 1730700775 896856 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(maybe I need a newer version of Linux) < 1730700883 163782 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Also, the program that should be saved/restored would be one that is meant to be able to do this, so it not just any arbitrary program. If this requires special linker options it is OK too) < 1730701804 930293 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1730701880 563636 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JS-CODE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144889&oldid=144875 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* Some things i found */ < 1730704051 214938 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can also do it in the ELF file, can't you? < 1730705479 569335 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730706328 487222 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1730706397 929211 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1730709224 701179 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Superstitionfreeblog14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144890&oldid=143607 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+435) 10 < 1730711242 748006 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.116.231 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730711951 952298 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1730713433 349838 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RECT4n=GLE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144891&oldid=139113 5* 03JJRubes 5* (+690) 10interpretation explanation rewrite < 1730713525 369835 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730713841 386207 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730714447 713585 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1730719687 623262 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :*.net *.split < 1730720150 451208 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1730720996 448548 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.116.231 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1730721318 27681 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144892&oldid=144869 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-44) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730721354 111729 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144893&oldid=144892 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+12) 10/* Hello, world! */ < 1730721505 462282 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-220-38.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1730721645 398860 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@89.214.116.231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730723741 659330 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: compile-time virtual memory < 1730724231 530292 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730724757 352114 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest60 < 1730725363 919113 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait, not around < 1730725450 751025 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-220-38.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1730725553 90803 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SML14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144894&oldid=143587 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (+19) 10/* Hello, world! */ > 1730725644 600831 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:EvyLah/public stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144895&oldid=131013 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+469) 10/* commands */ < 1730725679 383751 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaah im bored < 1730725686 709310 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :give me spmething to turn into an esolang > 1730725739 438799 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:EvyLah/public stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144896&oldid=144895 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+71) 10/* commands */ < 1730726132 367464 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] baldibacak < 1730726156 357560 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :'=( < 1730726181 760605 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hellllllo < 1730726188 585212 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello < 1730726199 705218 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you gud? < 1730726203 410573 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :y < 1730726224 75300 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw how do we setup password on liberal chat < 1730726226 806482 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730726284 351092 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest60 < 1730726287 942745 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk < 1730726307 410335 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :want to read an esolang? < 1730726545 611293 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz i have smth for you to read! < 1730726699 507080 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :baldibacsk this is for you < 1730726703 665469 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1730726704 350502 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1730726721 536887 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*baldibacak < 1730726745 73323 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so? < 1730726883 133228 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: apparently the Turing-complete computation in M:tG is making rounds on the internet, though here it appears with a very deceptive wording, both because it's missing the parenthesis in "deck can be used to (deal damage iff mathematical conjecture is true)": https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/links-for-november-2024 (search for "Isochron < 1730726883 618716 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Scepter") < 1730726945 71043 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730726998 351876 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1730727130 625002 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello < 1730727157 938377 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i was guest60 lol < 1730727180 740928 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: ik its a loong time but somebody made an interpreter for RECT4n=GLE and explained it better is if you where interestd then you can see it now < 1730727751 489630 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so what you was going to tell me < 1730727782 803584 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i was going to if you said yyes show you this: < 1730727803 104412 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bring_to_another < 1730727840 807667 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is it < 1730727852 222254 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :an esolang < 1730727893 855062 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :reverse enginnering an esolang < 1730727897 59420 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :seems interesting < 1730727915 432444 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thx! :] < 1730728064 659886 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1730728694 132455 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :have you red/are readingf th hackMD doc? < 1730728732 908276 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nah < 1730728742 524160 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1730728750 369206 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :i am gonna make an end to end encrypted chat app < 1730728766 894820 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :waht tf < 1730729023 119891 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :just for fun i am gonna make an chatapp includesend to end encrypted meaning i cant read messages < 1730729029 120027 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :i set all logic in my hand < 1730729036 934683 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :i should start by learning sockets < 1730729367 466333 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730729402 87389 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730729649 795951 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730729843 351899 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW > 1730730898 242900 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Extended Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144897&oldid=139240 5* 03None1 5* (+38) 10 > 1730731474 946804 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck extended14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144898&oldid=140254 5* 03None1 5* (+124) 10 > 1730731532 55832 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck extended14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144899&oldid=144898 5* 03None1 5* (+45) 10 > 1730731552 768424 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Extended Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144900&oldid=144897 5* 03None1 5* (-1) 10 > 1730731654 685501 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck extended14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144901&oldid=144899 5* 03None1 5* (+131) 10 < 1730731824 901415 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730732280 956050 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh ... apparently that uses a card https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/241/zimone-all-questioning that refers to prime numbers explicitly in its rules text. that's cheating! < 1730732797 352681 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730733133 763939 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730735951 350877 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1730736446 454941 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730736670 92414 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730737861 310037 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1730737974 401185 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Son of a BitCh14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144902 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+613) 10Created page with "Son of a [[BitChanger|BitCh]] is an esolang with 2 instructions, created by islptng. As the title says, it is heavily inspired and based on BitChanger. The program itself, has not only a tape, but a state storage, which the value is always one of diojn< > 1730738661 782136 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Son of a BitCh14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144903&oldid=144902 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+140) 10Examples > 1730738818 383198 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish with gotos and input14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144904&oldid=144853 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+21) 10Added my AHF to this page because it has the same idea as mine. > 1730739749 371625 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:EvyLah/public stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144905&oldid=144896 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+25) 10/* program */ > 1730739759 843437 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:EvyLah/public stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144906&oldid=144905 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-9) 10/* program */ < 1730739823 350480 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] baldibacak < 1730740808 892539 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can we send images here < 1730740827 567580 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730741152 228715 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1730741191 471748 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@151.250.10.250 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1730743191 589305 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144907&oldid=144888 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-181) 10/* MarkupL syntax */ > 1730743598 932769 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bake14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144908&oldid=143158 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-14) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730743607 379982 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bake14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144909&oldid=144908 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-2) 10/* Cat program */ < 1730744773 199911 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730745309 395888 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1730745504 67844 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03QOALO 5* 10New user account < 1730745512 348250 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1730745867 240187 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AES256-Always secure Encrypeter 5* 10New user account < 1730747179 362005 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1730747550 846878 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144910&oldid=144893 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-436) 10 > 1730747566 752501 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144911&oldid=144910 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730747570 835612 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144912&oldid=144911 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, world! */ > 1730747620 565 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144913&oldid=144912 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-25) 10/* Implementation */ < 1730748949 475506 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1730749120 573662 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:EvyLah/public stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144914&oldid=144906 5* 03EvyLah 5* (-2) 10/* current stack */ ya gotta change the stack when you change the program < 1730749865 432161 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730750018 965563 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1730750435 455094 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1730750877 208528 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) > 1730751686 400162 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144915&oldid=144913 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+37) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730753451 678038 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144916&oldid=144915 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+21) 10/* Examples */ > 1730755178 14128 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144917&oldid=144916 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+9) 10/* Quine */ < 1730755195 451127 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1730755292 208680 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144918&oldid=139630 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+44) 10/* $_$ */ > 1730755370 237049 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144919&oldid=144918 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+64) 10/* /// */ < 1730757154 375535 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730757400 675053 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730757510 615494 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-220-38.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1730759344 680565 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730760135 861381 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-220-38.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1730762813 208599 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144920&oldid=143523 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+45) 10/* Java Interpreter */ > 1730762853 300316 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Txet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144921&oldid=140918 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+4) 10/* Cat program */ > 1730763050 883589 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144922&oldid=144512 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+48) 10/* Tile */ > 1730763708 811843 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Text14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144923&oldid=132832 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+12012) 10/* txeT */ > 1730763731 504185 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Text14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144924&oldid=144923 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-71) 10/* 99 bottles of beer on the wall */ > 1730763738 484049 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Text14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144925&oldid=144924 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+69) 10/* txeT */ < 1730764062 943925 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1730764080 11972 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07914]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144926&oldid=144719 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-5) 10/* Operators */ < 1730767076 449470 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1730767121 332926 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1730767220 225811 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: btw, something I did think of on a BF Joust rework < 1730767248 380725 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :It may be worth it to have certain numbers be "cheaper" to represent in some way than others. e.g. (+)*16 being "shroter" than (+)*15 or (+)*17 < 1730767252 93009 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :shorter* < 1730767270 448219 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :Would help reduce the amount of finetuning, I think, to have a few specific breakpoints for "large/small/etc" on decoy/offset/etc sizes. < 1730767455 621111 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lymia: hm, interesting < 1730767481 860605 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :Decoys especially, combined with offset clears existing. < 1730767494 393610 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :+1 on an offset or decoy size can make or break a hill. < 1730767501 881112 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was planning to just use decimal but I am not convinced I disagree – OTOH it might be hard to do in an intuitive way < 1730767561 407038 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :The existence of pairs of bots where.... < 1730767573 801677 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe PRIVMSG #esolangs :+1/-1 on offset or decoy sizes can just flip that one matchup and lose very little elsewhere is an ow. < 1730769231 13384 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1730769403 623680 :m5zs7k!aquares@web10.mydevil.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1730769428 83251 :m5zs7k!aquares@web10.mydevil.net JOIN #esolangs m5zs7k :m5zs7k < 1730770016 451367 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1730770127 581365 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1730771488 418947 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale > 1730772383 970190 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Son of a BitCh14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144927&oldid=144903 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+222) 10Categories > 1730772620 273074 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BitChanger14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144928&oldid=101522 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+67) 10/* See also */ Derivatives < 1730772689 66601 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730774722 804565 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1730774886 957479 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1730776158 630785 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1730784324 272827 :myname!~myname@v2202404221793264578.bestsrv.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1730784325 534626 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1730784325 717845 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1730784326 645361 :jix!~jix@user/jix QUIT :*.net *.split < 1730784327 4786 :wryl!sid553797@user/meow/Wryl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1730784327 160802 :drakonis!drakonis@user/meow/drakonis QUIT :*.net *.split < 1730784327 934663 :Ae!Ae@linux.touz.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1730784328 639138 :ManDeJan!3da94070ba@user/mandejan QUIT :*.net *.split < 1730784329 68735 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :*.net *.split < 1730784329 628359 :dnm!sid401311@id-401311.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1730784329 934933 :Argorok!sid195487@id-195487.hampstead.irccloud.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1730784330 188341 :krychu_!~krychu@static.19.136.108.65.clients.your-server.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1730784352 794517 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-45759c8b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1730784428 744508 :Ae!Ae@linux.touz.org JOIN #esolangs * :Ae < 1730784428 782297 :ManDeJan!3da94070ba@user/mandejan JOIN #esolangs ManDeJan :ManDeJan < 1730784428 782397 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1730784428 782412 :dnm!sid401311@id-401311.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs dnm :dnm < 1730784428 782432 :Argorok!sid195487@id-195487.hampstead.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs Argorok :Argorok < 1730784428 782443 :krychu_!~krychu@static.19.136.108.65.clients.your-server.de JOIN #esolangs * :krychu < 1730784456 967480 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 243 seconds < 1730784467 737289 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1730784467 775501 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :b_jonas < 1730784467 775555 :jix!~jix@user/jix JOIN #esolangs jix :Jannis Harder < 1730784467 775587 :wryl!sid553797@user/meow/Wryl JOIN #esolangs Wryl :Wryl < 1730784467 775606 :drakonis!drakonis@user/meow/drakonis JOIN #esolangs drakonis :drakonis < 1730784504 843235 :myname!~myname@v2202404221793264578.bestsrv.de JOIN #esolangs myname :myname < 1730786256 477017 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had also made up a Magic: the Gathering card before that mentioned prime numbers, before the other one mentioned that was made officially. I wrote "Players and permanents with a prime number of counters have shroud." < 1730788203 367231 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-45759c8b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1730792037 909601 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1730792314 331314 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Text14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144929&oldid=135543 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* Quine */ > 1730792471 371607 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:EvyLah/public stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144930&oldid=144914 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+28) 10 > 1730792588 658117 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144931&oldid=144919 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+76) 10/* 05AB1E */ < 1730792779 939494 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1730792828 984341 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1730793404 665501 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of quines14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144932&oldid=144931 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (-13) 10Moved !Chinese because it is built-in < 1730793428 350591 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest60 < 1730793433 362296 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :helllllllo < 1730794020 205779 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730795564 645300 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730795606 351566 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1730796613 694452 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :“certain numbers be ‘cheaper’ to represent (+)*16 being ‘shroter’ than (+)*15 or (+)*17” => oh no! it's not US election day, it's still Halloween, and the deadfish are executing their iiss attack! < 1730796645 99651 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :waht > 1730798366 396425 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02Inspect.getmembers(object)10]] to [["Python"]] > 1730798366 413992 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02Talk:Inspect.getmembers(object)10]] to [[Talk:"Python"]] > 1730798382 708718 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02"Python"10]] to [["python"]] > 1730798382 728085 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02Talk:"Python"10]] to [[Talk:"python"]] > 1730798467 451385 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07"python"14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144941&oldid=144937 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-8) 10 > 1730798967 70451 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144942&oldid=144858 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+14) 10/* Stuff to continue */ < 1730800998 204875 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1730801016 543580 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1730803109 376878 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1730803667 26825 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07"python"14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144943&oldid=144941 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-14) 10 > 1730803732 563369 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07"python"14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144944&oldid=144943 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+32) 10 > 1730803862 391610 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07"python"14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144945&oldid=144944 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+31) 10 < 1730804162 428675 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1730804176 419508 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode JOIN #esolangs supercode :[https://web.libera.chat] supercode < 1730804574 883971 :Artea!~Lufia@artea.pt JOIN #esolangs Artea :Artea ElFo < 1730805270 496324 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1730807272 388665 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Superstitionfreeblog14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144946&oldid=144723 5* 03Superstitionfreeblog 5* (+1093) 10 < 1730807742 354691 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1730810292 23206 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730812181 278733 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-144-30.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything > 1730813295 23351 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!@$%^&*()+=14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144947 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (+59) 10Created page with "{{Stub}}{{WIP}} This is a language based on [[!@$%^&*()+]]." > 1730813644 674669 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:!@$%^&*()+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144948&oldid=140824 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+157) 10/* the hell */ < 1730813785 393255 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730814463 583835 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1730814576 584098 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Look!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144949 5* 03None1 5* (+447) 10Created page with "==Look! online interpreter== Since I've deleted the REPL hosting the Look! online interpreter, I plan to create another using Vercel. It will probably be done in a month, but it won't be reachable in inland China. --~~~~" < 1730814746 351323 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1730814937 836651 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-144-30.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1730815066 20452 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730815145 350286 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730815573 895865 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730818644 350076 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1730820455 248842 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :[https://web.libera.chat] X-Scale < 1730821314 345280 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730821884 971515 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730822470 76419 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? password < 1730822473 485322 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The password of the month is release incident pilot. < 1730822499 63823 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> map sort ["release incident pilot","presidential election"] < 1730822500 690873 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [" acdeeeeiiillnnoprstt"," acdeeeeiiillnnoprstt"] < 1730822611 16119 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(https://wordsmith.org/anagram/ is still pretty cool) < 1730823984 387944 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730824391 746803 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730825911 405950 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: you know the command you gave doesn't actually compare them, and they're very hard to compare by eye, right? < 1730825930 751311 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: well, they're not equal < 1730826016 294041 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, yes, I know < 1730826197 208901 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: but also https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/ooh1Aif8eija.png :P < 1730826243 291370 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe < 1730827538 144525 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730828158 322559 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730829762 941564 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1730831333 100873 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!@$%^&*()+=14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144950&oldid=144947 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+42) 10Categories < 1730833709 358802 :X-Scale!~X-Scale@32.64.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1730838230 388854 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1730839511 516455 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: huh, using Deadfish notation to represent numbers would indeed be a reasonable way to make some numbers cheaper than others < 1730839612 790594 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Are people electing a new president of #esolangs? < 1730839647 591458 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i ii iii iis iisi iisii iisiii iiisd iiis iiisi iiisii iiisiii iissddd iissdd iissd iiss < 1730839684 34726 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(have we reminded all the Americans here (who are eligible to vote and haven't yet done so in this election) to go and vote yet?) < 1730839773 131178 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :alternatively, binary floating-point could work: 1p0 1p1 1.1p1 1p2 1.01p2 1.1p2 1.11p2 1p3 etc. < 1730839826 924873 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Any recommendations on what to vote for? < 1730839861 370476 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I already dropped off my ballot yesterday.) < 1730839948 680922 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: at least in the UK, Trump is incredibly unpopular, so I imagine most Brits would vote against him by voting for Harris < 1730839981 549271 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we had a Trump supporter as Prime Minister recently, she got thrown out by her own party after only a few weeks < 1730840043 496624 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but Trump was also very unpopular even before then < 1730840098 467434 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, my presidential vote is completely meaningless in California. < 1730840122 975306 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :indeed – it would be a huge upset if Harris fell below 50% there, and every vote above 50% doesn't matter < 1730840139 215027 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :some of the House seats in California might potentially matter < 1730840160 736416 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I don't have the list of individual seats in California memorised < 1730840245 287640 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(looking it up on the Internet says that CA-45 and CA-22 are the two closest House districts in the country) > 1730840251 491329 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Eodermdrome14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144951&oldid=142355 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+6) 10/* Example programs */ updated link < 1730840321 732671 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :My district, CA-12, is presumably on the other end of whatever list that is. < 1730840350 847382 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :"With a Cook Partisan Voter Index rating of D+40, the 12th district is the most Democratic district in both California and the United States, giving nearly 90% of its vote to Democrats in both the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections.[1][2]" < 1730840357 328774 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: the problem is that it also lets jousters very quickly zero a flag that starts at 128 < 1730840423 954149 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: yes, a) CA-12 isn't remotely close, and b) both candidates say that they'll support the Democrats if they win, so it would require one of them to be lying about that to affect who controls the House post-election < 1730840435 29325 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I don't see that as a problem, turtles being fast is good for the game < 1730840457 981239 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if they weren't fast there'd be no point in using the strategy, it has a lot of disadvantages < 1730840577 10961 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: One of the candidates is going for a direct democracy thing: < 1730840582 792051 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :«"We are putting the power back into the people by allowing the voters of the East Bay to vote on every bill that crosses my desk in congress. Meaning that as long as 51% of the district votes for a bill that passes my desk, I will support that even if I don't personally agreed with the particular decision," said Dr. Tran.» < 1730840636 1036 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Of course de facto that's still the same situation. < 1730840642 245713 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, just with extra steps < 1730840656 711072 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also she's presumably not going to win. < 1730840707 985601 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe I should run for congress. < 1730840807 646621 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unfortunately I wouldn't be able to vote for you, due to being British < 1730840872 243147 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I could move to Britland and stand for Parliament. < 1730841330 927820 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: you said earlier that you don't want to decrease the cell modulus, currently 256, by much, because it would be too quick to clear flags. with a deadfish square operation, you can achieve a clear in 9 turns if undisturbed. isn't that too fast? < 1730841420 362421 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: oh, these operations don't affect the cells on the tape < 1730841423 433354 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with sss.-sss. < 1730841424 590690 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're just to control the internal counter < 1730841437 335711 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, and how can you use the internal counter? < 1730841443 511682 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for control flow < 1730841454 142918 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just control flow? < 1730841456 671562 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1730841490 431544 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's the only way to do, e.g., "subtract 1 from this cell 128 times" without taking up a huge amount of code space < 1730841524 153720 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :by using the counter to count the iterations of a 128-iteration loop < 1730841529 146248 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in that case I hope you get more than one counter < 1730841557 175461 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like either three counters, or two counters and a way to quickly compare distance from your own flag to a constant < 1730841596 561525 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's one counter + compare distance to marker + compare distance to own flag; the marker is a pointer to a tape cell that you can move to you current cell in zero time < 1730841601 51249 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* your < 1730841651 460934 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this has enough power to implement most of the interesting programs on the champions page, but low enough power that programs still behave somewhat predictably < 1730841653 683827 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1730841659 270274 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-16-55.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1730841685 793642 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you get at least an extra boolean or two that you can clear, set, and test? < 1730841699 694585 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to ease on code space < 1730841710 539852 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no but you have an instruction pointer – boolean flags is an interesting idea though < 1730841737 685151 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I figured that repeating programs a couple of times in code space would be OK for programs that needed to do that < 1730841746 354478 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :adding booleans would allow the code space to be made smaller, though < 1730841830 753782 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :booleans or counters with a small limit, for things that you want to repeat a few times < 1730841869 890672 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like trying to make sure you see a cell cleared multiple times before you move past it < 1730841941 497329 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, antishudder loops nearly always need a different clear algorithm anyway < 1730841995 763436 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the shudders are designed to beat normal clear algorithms, so if you zero a cell and see it nonzero on the next cycle, usually you switch to a less normal algorithm for zeroing it the second time < 1730842013 114485 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or perhaps a single-level subroutine call that saves your position but not the orientation (velocity) so you can use the orientation for four different returns < 1730842134 905641 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :assuming this still uses a funge/piet code space < 1730844038 68773 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730845679 788987 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I went with an anagram for a reason :P < 1730845778 814413 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you have the word order wrong, "pilot release incident" actually makes sense as a noun phrase < 1730845797 273828 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and of course, the word order doesn't matter for an anagram) < 1730845837 112011 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wanted a software context, not an avian one. < 1730845854 369963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you are right that that makes more sense < 1730845901 387178 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm sure there are better anagrams anyway. But by The Rules this is the one we're stuck with for now :P < 1730846542 972586 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1730846713 135546 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144952&oldid=131752 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+61) 10distinguish < 1730847402 422007 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode JOIN #esolangs supercode :[https://web.libera.chat] supercode < 1730848261 204111 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1730849489 51696 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-16-55.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1730850613 145620 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1730850636 717131 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730850654 966170 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1730850803 708134 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron > 1730852745 36436 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ZCX islptng14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144953&oldid=144131 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+73) 10 > 1730852755 739841 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ZCX islptng14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144954&oldid=144953 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (-1) 10 < 1730854243 904268 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :` the rules < 1730854245 28415 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​? Permission denied < 1730854249 508606 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? the rules < 1730854251 281038 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :the rules? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1730854321 123898 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is it by the rules, or is it by The Rules instead? < 1730854367 871637 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :` . < 1730854368 996824 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​? Permission denied < 1730854382 933007 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ls -ld . < 1730854384 541970 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :drwxr-xr-x 10 1000 1000 4096 Nov 4 02:25 . < 1730854389 432325 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that has execute permission! < 1730854423 816405 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`. < 1730854424 683157 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​.? Permission denied > 1730854435 617521 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ZCX islptng/Redirect14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144955 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+30) 10Redirected page to [[User:ZCX islptng]] > 1730855897 554903 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JSFlak14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144956 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+1012) 10Created page with "Note: This is a work in progress. (idea by [[User:ZCX islptng]])
This esolang's purpose is to confuse JS programmers. File extention is . js note that space! The esolang, inspired by [[Brain-Flak]], uses 6 commands, same as [[JSFuck]]. However, th < 1730856485 641430 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1730859706 381867 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I think that's due to the manual path expansion from the umlbox init process, maybe. < 1730859713 114535 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since there's no / in the command, it tries to exec it in turn with each directory of the path prefixed, and while it generally reports the last errno value, there's also a special piece of logic that makes EACCES sticky, for a reason I can't immediately recall. < 1730859756 739377 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And it's possible there's something in the path that's not accessible. < 1730859791 141131 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :running "." manually in Bash gives me ".: filename argument required"; running "./." gives me "Is a directory"; both seem like reasonable responses < 1730859805 580056 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`env < 1730859806 585197 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :PATH=/hackenv/bin:/usr/bin:/bin \ TERM=linux \ HOME=/tmp \ HACKENV=/hackenv \ IRC_INSTANCE=HackEso-libera \ IRC_NETWORK=Libera.Chat \ IRC_NICK=fizzie \ IRC_IDENT=irc \ IRC_HOST=selene.zem.fi \ IRC_COMMAND=PRIVMSG \ IRC_TARGET=#esolangs \ IRC_MESSAGE=`env \ http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128 \ LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 < 1730859828 491230 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, it's not running in a shell with just a `. < 1730859846 273938 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`/hackenv/bin/. < 1730859847 303164 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/.? Permission denied < 1730859856 794891 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. < 1730859865 928960 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ls -d /hackenv/bin/. < 1730859867 189540 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/. < 1730859871 968862 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ls -ld /hackenv/bin/. < 1730859873 189156 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :drwxr-xr-x 2 1000 1000 16384 Aug 4 18:18 /hackenv/bin/. < 1730859886 445218 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just verifying the +x permission, even though it's obviously there < 1730860085 367696 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`/bin/bash /hackenv/bin/. < 1730860086 466971 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/.: /hackenv/bin/.: Is a directory < 1730860105 866818 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I don't know exactly what's up with that. < 1730860109 408265 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` echo $'#include \n#include \n#include \nextern char **environ; int main(int argc, char **argv) { execve("/", argv, environ); perror("execve"); }' | gcc -x c /dev/stdin -o /tmp/test && /tmp/test < 1730860111 116591 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :execve: Permission denied < 1730860153 658198 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: just . runs the builtin command . which tries to run a script in a way that it affects the state of the shell where you execute it < 1730860171 860291 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1730860180 112990 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that doesn't have much to do with the directory named . , it's just a silly synonym for shell < 1730860182 344407 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :According to man execve, it can fail with EISDIR, but only if "An ELF interpreter was a directory" < 1730860190 131363 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess maybe that's just what execve returns, then, even if it's a little odd for a directory. < 1730860193 602760 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :assuming the filesystem is in a remotely reasonable state, . must always be a directory so it can safely be reused for a shell builtin < 1730860194 280370 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(though not as silly as what windows cmd inherited from DOS command) < 1730860207 99689 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am not sure how Linux reacts to filesystems where . or .. symlinks point to weird places < 1730860227 732242 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: ooh, that's a fun failure mode < 1730860305 500025 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: can filesystems do that? I thought that's done in the cache layer independent of the individual file systems, not the fs-dependent drivers, because .. needs to point outside of the mount point on a directory on which an fs is mounted, plus it's generic anyway. at most the file system driver makes sure that there's a .. entry written in the directory for compatibility with old file systems < 1730860431 912109 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: they shouldn't be able to do that, at least – I don't know whether or not they can anyway < 1730860453 483806 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, hmm, . and .. are hardlinks, aren't they? not symlinks < 1730860456 207002 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bash has its own wrappers, I think execve itself just fails with EACCESS < 1730860469 88845 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1730860470 675557 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is why the link count of a directory goes up as it's given more subdirectories, they all have their .. hardlinked to it < 1730860525 883343 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm guessing fuse isn't allowed, the in kernel drivers obviously don't have access control < 1730860574 833038 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that's just the historical reason for the link count, now it goes up on some file systems because they pretend to be like old file systems < 1730860606 606191 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes – I suspected that nowadays it's just done to match the historical behaviour < 1730860636 467004 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a strong suspicion that the whole "start a filename with . to hide it" came about because some really old version of ls just checked the first character to see if a file was . or .. < 1730860646 779327 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then it was kept because it was useful < 1730860824 370130 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIUC the oldest version of the open syscall didn't even take a pathname made of an arbitrary number of path components, it took two arguments with one path component each instead (plus other arguments that aren't strings) < 1730860870 694626 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you would need chdir to open files in nested directories? < 1730860886 709077 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :more likely you'd have hardlinks to every useful directory from your home directory < 1730865500 121184 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1730867447 104041 :divbyzero!~divbyzero@p3b9392d7.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1730870259 716643 :divbyzero!~divbyzero@p3b9392d7.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1730875844 764527 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730878362 592302 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730879214 534382 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730879266 179499 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1730879327 979688 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1730879445 15387 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1730880186 928818 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1730880510 294380 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Superstitionfreeblog14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144957&oldid=144946 5* 03Superstitionfreeblog 5* (+1261) 10/* Example Programs */ < 1730880670 445067 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Moin < 1730884055 380341 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode JOIN #esolangs supercode :[https://web.libera.chat] supercode < 1730884227 782406 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, so what I said yesterday about unix v1 definitely doesn't seem to apply to unix v1. I must have misremembered something. < 1730885242 108916 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730886575 393417 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1730890456 678237 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1730893219 750874 :Everything!~Everythin@195.138.86.118 JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything > 1730893553 215776 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bynary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144958&oldid=113600 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (+9) 10 < 1730894952 8589 :moony1!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1730895052 731582 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1730895052 810695 :moony1!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :moony > 1730895128 648315 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SML14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144959&oldid=144894 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (+8) 10 > 1730895139 464964 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07STRTRAN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144960&oldid=144694 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (+8) 10 > 1730895165 303594 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07STRTRAN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144961&oldid=144960 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (+0) 10 < 1730895324 352590 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] iddi01 < 1730895355 399174 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest beta-2 https://pastebin.com/raw/sUX4Zn54 < 1730895355 677088 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.beta-2: points 13.83, score 36.84, rank 3/47 < 1730895374 588903 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest beta https://pastebin.com/raw/sUX4Zn54 < 1730895374 980424 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.beta: points 13.88, score 37.20, rank 3/47 (+2) < 1730895402 139497 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust beta https://pastebin.com/raw/sUX4Zn54 < 1730895402 568035 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.beta: points 13.88, score 37.20, rank 3/47 (+2) < 1730895625 991193 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust another_rush_program < 1730895626 114922 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.another_rush_program: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-35) < 1730895641 255462 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust beta https://pastebin.com/raw/sUX4Zn54 < 1730895641 702604 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.beta: points 15.40, score 39.71, rank 2/47 (--) < 1730896066 231871 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1730896080 668125 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1730896146 14454 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730896849 311360 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^echo !zjoust 21-34-127 (>(+)*21>(-)*21)*4(>[(-)*127.-.-.>])*21 what follows is due to the design of the fungоt echo command < 1730896849 593520 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust 21-34-127 (>(+)*21>(-)*21)*4(>[(-)*127.-.-.>])*21 what follows is due to the design of the fungоt echo command !zjoust 21-34-127 (>(+)*21>(-)*21)*4(>[(-)*127.-.-.>])*21 what follows is due to the de ... < 1730896849 791510 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot.21-34-127: points -5.14, score 15.68, rank 34/47 < 1730896850 198565 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :zemhill: care to share? do you want to have it < 1730896875 919831 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust beta https://pastebin.com/raw/sUX4Zn54 < 1730896876 280571 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.beta: points 14.17, score 37.96, rank 2/47 (--) < 1730897083 258856 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^echo !zjoust 21-34-127 < 1730897083 539920 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust 21-34-127 !zjoust 21-34-127 < 1730897083 705174 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot.21-34-127: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-13) < 1730897084 330206 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :zemhill: in scsh ( 31, specifically) and scsh, and chicken has recently grown one, to use either, matter of taste. < 1730897215 350996 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1730897428 714119 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730897775 362646 :iddi01!~iddi01@2610:150:c001:4:1e6c:b650:171b:855 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] iddi01 < 1730897778 2563 :Everything!~Everythin@195.138.86.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1730897838 23893 :iddi01!~iddi01@2610:150:c001:4:1e6c:b650:171b:855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^echo 21-31-106 (>(+)*21>(-)*21)*4(>[(-)*106(-.)*42>])*21 what follows is due to the design of the fungоt echo command < 1730897838 305743 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :21-31-106 (>(+)*21>(-)*21)*4(>[(-)*106(-.)*42>])*21 what follows is due to the design of the fungоt echo command 21-31-106 (>(+)*21>(-)*21)*4(>[(-)*106(-.)*42>])*21 what follows is due to the design of the ... < 1730897859 146121 :iddi01!~iddi01@2610:150:c001:4:1e6c:b650:171b:855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^echo !zjoust 21-31-106 (>(+)*21>(-)*21)*4(>[(-)*106(-.)*42>])*21 what follows is due to the design of the fungоt echo command < 1730897859 427863 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust 21-31-106 (>(+)*21>(-)*21)*4(>[(-)*106(-.)*42>])*21 what follows is due to the design of the fungоt echo command !zjoust 21-31-106 (>(+)*21>(-)*21)*4(>[(-)*106(-.)*42>])*21 what follows is due to th ... < 1730897859 582619 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot.21-31-106: points -3.36, score 17.76, rank 31/47 < 1730897860 177642 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :zemhill: languages like python that have very little attention to detail in others? (:)) here at fnord uni they teach clean and c++ < 1730897885 368826 :iddi01!~iddi01@2610:150:c001:4:1e6c:b650:171b:855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust beta https://pastebin.com/raw/sUX4Zn54 < 1730897885 588239 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.beta: points 14.31, score 38.20, rank 1/47 (--) < 1730897896 33989 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-20-16.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1730897912 392634 :iddi01!~iddi01@2610:150:c001:4:1e6c:b650:171b:855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^echo `echo y e s  i  w o n < 1730897912 674116 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :`echo y e s  i  w o n `echo y e s  i  w o n < 1730897914 673097 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :y e s  i  w o n `echo y e s  i  w o n > 1730898563 80798 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust champions14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144962&oldid=144729 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+29) 10/* 2024 */ has been updated, and is now the champion in all six scoring systems! < 1730898956 863719 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's a good idea < 1730898957 495128 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot call Nh.2codS5EZi < 1730898961 46758 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: ^ul (perlbot call Nh.2codS5EZi )S( 13 )! < 1730899012 175632 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ul (call Nh.2codS5EZi ) < 1730899021 174041 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ul (call Nh.2codS5EZi )S < 1730899021 454762 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :call Nh.2codS5EZi < 1730899029 288272 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ul (perlbot call Nh.2codS5EZi )S < 1730899029 568632 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot call Nh.2codS5EZi < 1730899033 190311 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: ^ul (call Nh.2codS5EZi )S( 12 )! < 1730899049 769130 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1730899088 804483 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could nick to start my nick with ^ and I think perlbot would reply starting with ^ but that only works once < 1730899134 595875 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :beacuse perlbot won't reply fungоt that way > 1730899211 974801 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!@$%^&*()+=14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144963&oldid=144950 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (+1626) 10 > 1730899249 88397 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!@$%^&*()+=14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144964&oldid=144963 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (-7) 10 > 1730899279 464255 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Xyzzy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144965&oldid=138604 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (+95) 10 < 1730899326 37814 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :both perlbot and fungot are willing to reply in private message without mentioning your nick in the reply, so they could loop in private message, but that's hard to start < 1730899326 454260 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: if you have 2 messages." " yeah, i've seen < 1730899341 376449 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in buubot1 it was trivial, but fortunately buubot3 no longer has that feature < 1730900067 916591 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd probably checked this already and just forgot < 1730900880 351220 :Guest68!~Guest68@200.17.67.252 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest68 < 1730900928 372199 :Guest68!~Guest68@200.17.67.252 QUIT :Client Quit > 1730900998 284005 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JSFlak14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144966&oldid=144956 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+2289) 10interpreter < 1730901339 921927 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730902851 458541 :Hoolooboo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2+deb11u1 - https://znc.in < 1730904023 678002 :iddi01!~iddi01@2610:150:c001:4:1e6c:b650:171b:855 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1730904385 175573 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TxeT14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144967 5* 03None1 5* (+12462) 10Created page with "''txeT''' is a language which constantly output its reversed source code. This language seems in the same computational class as [[Text]]. Btw, a program is a quine iff it is palindrome. The file extension of its source code is '''.txt''' since '''txt''' is the reversed ver > 1730904436 722698 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TxeT14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144968&oldid=144967 5* 03None1 5* (+51) 10 > 1730904460 628102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Text14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144969&oldid=144929 5* 03None1 5* (+5) 10 > 1730904484 167805 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Txet14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144970&oldid=144921 5* 03None1 5* (+5) 10 > 1730904545 978746 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TxeT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144971&oldid=144968 5* 03None1 5* (+18) 10 < 1730904578 934848 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-20-16.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1730904665 582699 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1730904745 966628 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TxeT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144972&oldid=144971 5* 03None1 5* (+242) 10 > 1730904758 919132 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TxeT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144973&oldid=144972 5* 03None1 5* (+3) 10 > 1730904941 19269 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TxeT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144974&oldid=144973 5* 03None1 5* (+33) 10/* Built-in interpreters */ > 1730904967 89630 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TxeT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144975&oldid=144974 5* 03None1 5* (+30) 10/* Interpreters */ > 1730904993 883055 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TxeT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144976&oldid=144975 5* 03None1 5* (+13) 10 > 1730905048 562541 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144977&oldid=144202 5* 03None1 5* (+11) 10/* General languages */ > 1730908308 126904 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust champions14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144978&oldid=144962 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+63) 10/* 2024 */ Fix link, also it's not six but four scoring systems with as champion < 1730908344 350861 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] baldibacak < 1730909339 161107 :baldibacak!~baldibaca@ip199.ip-188-165-135.eu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730909773 271691 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1730910059 464306 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-Output14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144979&oldid=128365 5* 03EvyLah 5* (-132) 10/* Stack manipulation */ remove `V` cuz I don't see a use for it lol > 1730910687 801066 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Zasharan2 5* 10New user account < 1730910812 612105 :wryl!sid553797@user/meow/Wryl QUIT : > 1730910915 976642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144980&oldid=144818 5* 03Zasharan2 5* (+161) 10 < 1730911325 698621 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1730912520 845539 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Slink14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144981&oldid=144735 5* 033cxpy 5* (-25) 10 > 1730913515 360222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chronos14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144982 5* 03Zasharan2 5* (+3079) 10Created page with "'''Chronos''' is a two dimensional esoteric programming language based off of [[Befunge]], with the ability to time travel. ==Time Travel== Chronos offers the ability for instruction pointers (cursors) to time travel. The language does not actually track time; rather > 1730914087 421819 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chronos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144983&oldid=144982 5* 03Zasharan2 5* (+2) 10 > 1730914291 550821 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chronos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144984&oldid=144983 5* 03Zasharan2 5* (+151) 10 > 1730914325 397985 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chronos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144985&oldid=144984 5* 03Zasharan2 5* (-2) 10 > 1730914543 11907 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chronos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144986&oldid=144985 5* 03Zasharan2 5* (-26) 10 > 1730914821 243497 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144987&oldid=144670 5* 03Zasharan2 5* (+14) 10 < 1730915860 356383 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :another weird thing that a joust game could do is where it has a powerful computer but with rather delayed reaction. the fast body of the submission executes one of 8 instructions every round depending on its current instruction pointer, each instruction is either [ with two next instruction addresses or one of . - + < > with one next instruction address. the powerful computer has enough memory and CPU < 1730915866 363349 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :time to do complicated unpredictable strategies, and emits 8 fresh instructions each round, but only learns about the result of [ instructions (or the current state) with a delay of like 108 rounds. < 1730915916 604055 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but this has the drawback that it's much more inefficient to run the matches < 1730919930 356667 :Guest82!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest60 < 1730919947 511185 :Guest82!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey what do uou think of this esopang?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/%3FQ%3F < 1730919953 763420 :Guest82!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes i made it < 1730920029 299730 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've not heard of SQ compression before. Do you have a link? < 1730920081 748336 :Guest82!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its pn tyat wikipedia < 1730920089 825702 :Guest82!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :page  lnkedø < 1730920092 345435 :Guest82!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think < 1730920106 191858 :Guest82!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no < 1730920335 656700 :Guest82!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_formats < 1730920388 899126 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, it's a historical format predating LZW. Interesting. < 1730920401 206757 :Guest82!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1730920673 701844 :Guest82!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730920683 351151 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest60 < 1730920791 881616 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so what do you think? < 1730920944 828378 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo < 1730920979 734656 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guest60: I don't know enough about Squeeze or SQ to understand the choices that you made. < 1730920995 998534 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh it isnt related < 1730920997 74925 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1730921003 938787 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh. Well, it's not really compelling otherwise. < 1730921016 868112 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1730921201 752600 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730922862 427764 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just Solve The File Format Problem wiki also has many file formats (including ?Q? which is how I had known about it at first) < 1730925498 970027 :wryl!sid553797@user/meow/Wryl JOIN #esolangs Wryl :Wryl < 1730926920 423134 :Everything!~Everythin@46.211.117.180 JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything > 1730927352 512924 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chronos14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144988&oldid=144986 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+131) 10Categories > 1730928193 897586 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144989&oldid=144348 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-54) 10remove shadow < 1730928476 325053 :Everything!~Everythin@46.211.117.180 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1730929454 445485 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo < 1730931895 242526 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-140-206.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1730933346 512962 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1730933783 412274 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode JOIN #esolangs supercode :[https://web.libera.chat] supercode < 1730933786 262427 :lynndotpy!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1730933805 109238 :lynndotpy!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 JOIN #esolangs lynndotpy :lynn < 1730933935 145040 :j4cbo!sid186930@id-186930.helmsley.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1730933970 74799 :errilaz_!~errilaz@static.157.80.99.88.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1730934008 957181 :errilaz!~errilaz@static.157.80.99.88.clients.your-server.de JOIN #esolangs * :errilaz < 1730934147 48517 :j4cbo!sid186930@id-186930.helmsley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs j4cbo :j4cbo > 1730934248 733640 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144990&oldid=144922 5* 03None1 5* (+21) 10/* Txet */ > 1730934263 759693 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144991&oldid=144990 5* 03None1 5* (+1) 10/* txeT */ < 1730935396 199686 :visilii!~visilii@85.172.77.90 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in < 1730935414 488157 :visilii!~visilii@85.172.77.90 JOIN #esolangs * :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1730935638 105407 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-140-206.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1730935663 607092 :visilii!~visilii@85.172.77.90 QUIT :Client Quit < 1730935716 505789 :visilii!~visilii@85.172.77.90 JOIN #esolangs * :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1730938497 907434 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1730940492 489868 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1730940510 19492 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1730944259 979471 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1730945016 503699 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1730945090 360826 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1730949742 982714 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1730950852 446456 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :*.net *.split < 1730951276 950594 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1730951441 17489 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1730956901 701631 :divbyzero!~divbyzero@p3b9392d7.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1730958457 105065 :divbyzero!~divbyzero@p3b9392d7.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1730959745 891733 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1730959760 371475 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse > 1730960298 793594 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ZCX islptng14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144992&oldid=144954 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+157) 10categories < 1730965107 167824 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1730965693 1929 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1730965814 453389 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1730966376 876947 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07"python"14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144993&oldid=144945 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+45) 10 > 1730966462 933476 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xuki14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144994&oldid=144881 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+42) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730966487 560054 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xuki14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144995&oldid=144994 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10/* A+B Problem */ > 1730966552 409535 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xuki14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144996&oldid=144995 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+4) 10/* A+B Problem */ > 1730966591 591229 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xuki14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144997&oldid=144996 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+43) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730966947 169835 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=144998&oldid=144917 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+393) 10fuck this i am setting this to the old thing < 1730970211 414358 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode JOIN #esolangs supercode :[https://web.libera.chat] supercode > 1730971880 677373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mmr14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=144999 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+7234) 10Why do i like to create lng that are a pain to program in < 1730972471 379189 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1730973374 568462 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Iddi0114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145000&oldid=144559 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+217) 10I'm so lucky to have an username befitting the perfect recursive acronym, also, [[Memory]] > 1730973702 286774 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145001&oldid=144987 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+16) 10/* M */ Decided to ignore unicode values this time < 1730974980 742028 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1730975702 280703 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Null program14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145002&oldid=13397 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+478) 10/* is Null program a quine? */ new section > 1730975721 972436 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Null program14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145003&oldid=145002 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+28) 10/* is Null program a quine? */ < 1730975973 529562 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1730976029 379359 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145004&oldid=141086 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+42) 10/* 15 */ > 1730976084 802103 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ZCX islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145005&oldid=144721 5* 03None1 5* (+324) 10 > 1730976373 818055 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ZCX islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145006&oldid=145005 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+201) 10/* Grade */ > 1730976466 849858 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07"python"14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145007&oldid=144993 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+30) 10/* Syntax */ > 1730976482 739272 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07"python"14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145008&oldid=145007 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+6) 10/* Syntax */ < 1730980411 641082 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi < 1730980584 955697 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1730981013 7197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!aoQ):14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145009&oldid=92233 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+48) 10/* Commands */ < 1730981190 269551 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname > 1730981241 512430 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unhappy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145010&oldid=143272 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-64) 10/* :( */ < 1730983075 401098 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730983483 218968 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1730984293 290295 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1730985628 555732 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FlipFlop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145011&oldid=135023 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+106) 10 > 1730986151 712959 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:None114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145012&oldid=144196 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+386) 10dammit > 1730986794 504880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pick14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145013 5* 03None1 5* (+4709) 10Created page with "'''Pick''' is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]]. It is based on randomly picking stuff. ==Data storage== Pick has a set of unbounded unsigned integers, and three unbounded unsigned accmulators A, B and C. Initially, the set is empty, and the accumulators are zero. ===C= < 1730986903 66998 :Argorok!sid195487@id-195487.hampstead.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1730987054 550414 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145014&oldid=145013 5* 03None1 5* (+496) 10/* Computational class */ > 1730987081 923028 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pick14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145015&oldid=145014 5* 03None1 5* (+5) 10/* Commands */ > 1730987110 273554 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145016&oldid=145001 5* 03None1 5* (+11) 10/* P */ > 1730987250 272050 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145017&oldid=144462 5* 03None1 5* (+92) 10/* My Esolangs */ > 1730987559 563843 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chronos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145018&oldid=144988 5* 03Zasharan2 5* (+100) 10 < 1730988138 426829 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1730989887 214039 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Null program14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145019&oldid=145003 5* 03None1 5* (+375) 10/* is Null program a quine? */ < 1730990207 968057 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname > 1730990688 219741 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Null program14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145020&oldid=145019 5* 03None1 5* (+673) 10/* Another definition or two */ [[null program]] vs [[NOP]]. > 1730990842 644584 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Null program14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145021&oldid=73373 5* 03None1 5* (+72) 10 > 1730990861 929250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Null program14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145022&oldid=145021 5* 03None1 5* (+2) 10 > 1730990912 540207 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145023&oldid=112279 5* 03None1 5* (+83) 10 > 1730990926 629953 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145024&oldid=145023 5* 03None1 5* (+5) 10 < 1730993487 367072 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1730994534 740610 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1730998375 785509 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1730998929 984708 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1731000708 88262 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MEMORYLEEK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145025&oldid=141866 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+117) 10proposal; revert if false < 1731003104 727682 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731004389 359955 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1731005041 433069 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:cd78:51ff:f531:365b JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1731005878 330755 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:cd78:51ff:f531:365b QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1731005904 391899 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:cd78:51ff:f531:365b JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1731006837 351924 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:cd78:51ff:f531:365b QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1731007239 775116 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731007448 219004 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1731007689 352991 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:a98f:61d2:7bac:ebef JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic > 1731009024 380150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145026&oldid=145016 5* 03Robotosaurus6502 5* (+10) 10Added JIT to this page. > 1731009035 905875 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JIT14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145027 5* 03Robotosaurus6502 5* (+903) 10A OISC named JIT was added to the wiki. < 1731011250 113177 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1731011253 591877 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1731011344 839309 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :we have this silly idea for a python extension, how does it look? https://bpa.st/TPKWY < 1731012311 352515 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:a98f:61d2:7bac:ebef QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1731012424 249640 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1731012446 108645 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1731012634 272054 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :"exception-oriented programming" < 1731013659 326344 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like continuation-passing style? < 1731013745 552848 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This RPython-compatible macro may be interesting too: https://github.com/monte-language/typhon/blob/master/typhon/macros.py#L253-L281 < 1731014922 392287 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:a98f:61d2:7bac:ebef JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1731014953 606544 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:a98f:61d2:7bac:ebef PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm in Cambridge this weekend, running a Core War tournament at the Retro Computer Festival. < 1731014958 872504 :molson_!~molson@2001-48F8-704A-446-5D4A-928F-ED6C-B4F9-dynamic.midco.net JOIN #esolangs molson :realname < 1731015154 62215 :molson!~molson@2001-48F8-704A-446-F547-A54E-21B8-C3E5-dynamic.midco.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1731015169 840648 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: like taking "easier to ask for forgiveness than permission" to the extreme < 1731015348 848092 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :the macro doesn't appear relevant < 1731015441 368900 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Night * < 1731015596 826696 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: Well, how would y'all handle an exception while an exception is being handled? < 1731015618 766549 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Continuation-passing style gives an easy answer: heap-allocate two continuations. < 1731015652 104813 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: like any other language? < 1731015673 880124 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :we believe python adds it as a cause > 1731016027 763875 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nop14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145028&oldid=145024 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-6) 10 < 1731016338 768806 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1731016494 732293 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-1-121.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1731016609 960394 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1731018825 902681 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731019825 351377 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:a98f:61d2:7bac:ebef QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1731020284 172920 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-1-121.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1731021678 439618 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode JOIN #esolangs supercode :[https://web.libera.chat] supercode < 1731021826 393635 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode QUIT :Client Quit > 1731024629 178285 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JIT14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145029&oldid=145027 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+10) 10stubbing > 1731024806 258186 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MEMORYLEEK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145030&oldid=145025 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-1) 10/* Instructions */ fixed table issue... < 1731032211 756267 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1731038298 459175 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In Magic: the Gathering, what happens if an object's text somehow changes while that object is resolving? < 1731038686 726879 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Is this possible with some combinations of official cards?) > 1731046678 811386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145031&oldid=144302 5* 03Iddi01 5* (-1193) 10/* List of candidates */ Still seems too inappropriate and not special enough, removing my proposal < 1731049261 661077 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1731050150 454091 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I don't think it's possible, all the text changers I can think of affect an object for as long as it's on the stack / in play and start applying during the resolution of the text changer < 1731050255 544800 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah wait, there is one I missed: Exchange of Words ("For as long as Exchange of Words is on the battlefield, exchange the text boxes of those creatures"), that does something like what you want but it only affects cards on the battlefield so it can't affect a spell while it's resolving < 1731050943 729250 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1731051820 37964 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/Brainfuck but its tilted a bit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145032&oldid=130058 5* 03Iddi01 5* (-46289) 10This page is now in sync with the actual article > 1731051887 998339 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Variambda14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145033 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+999) 10Created page with "This is another esolang by islptng. The title, is a mixture of "Variable" and "lambda".
The only thing you can do in this esolang is define a variambda. ==Syntax== Line to define a variambda: name(arguments)return_value=initial_value if (arguments) re < 1731052133 922266 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1731052176 452053 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1731052288 62944 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Variambda14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145034&oldid=145033 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+389) 10 < 1731052309 980724 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1731052865 875184 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1731054338 508421 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1731054631 957456 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FlipFlop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145035&oldid=145011 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+206) 10 > 1731054732 504632 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ZCX islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145036&oldid=145006 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+29) 10/* Grade */ < 1731058063 392016 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:a98f:61d2:7bac:ebef JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1731060242 28600 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Doesn't batch tell us that the program is done? < 1731067483 585408 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:a98f:61d2:7bac:ebef QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1731069129 420809 :visilii!~visilii@85.172.77.90 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1731073252 690084 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145038&oldid=143810 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+348) 10 > 1731073825 672739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:The Genius from Kiev14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145039 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+104) 10Created page with "where is 4????? ~~~~" < 1731073838 20238 :Awoobis!A_D@libera/staff/dragon NICK :gAy_Dragon > 1731074120 240588 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackMachine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145040 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+2465) 10Created page with "This is an ordinary stack-based esolang that was created by a Discord bot(antigollark). ===First answer=== push: Pushes a value onto the stack. pop: Pops a value from the stack and discards it. dup: Duplicates the top value on the stack. swap: Swaps the t < 1731074195 383758 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1731074692 915491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Python But WORST14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145041&oldid=141414 5* 03Stysan 5* (+166) 10added examples < 1731075880 159044 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1731076084 460931 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname > 1731076390 260965 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackMachine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145042&oldid=145040 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+263) 10rot < 1731078027 334905 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731078076 926888 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1731078183 107662 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145043&oldid=145038 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+164) 10/* */ > 1731079439 777081 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145044&oldid=143628 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+56) 10/* Commands */ > 1731079451 522996 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145045&oldid=145044 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-5) 10/* Hello, world! */ > 1731079486 361591 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145046&oldid=145045 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-3) 10/* Commands */ < 1731081356 76572 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731082429 396795 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1731082534 755705 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1731085491 258531 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731086114 985736 :trumae!~Thunderbi@170.231.88.130 JOIN #esolangs trumae :trumae < 1731086187 488335 :Artea!~Lufia@artea.pt QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.9.1 - https://znc.in < 1731087508 9801 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1731088034 928971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1731088047 538228 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: specifically, we'd just use unwinding < 1731088144 364968 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are some funny GC tricks you can do to preserve stack traces when doing EOP while still getting much better performance than traditional stack walking/unwinding but they're unnecessary for an esolang toy < 1731088158 732905 :Soni!~quassel@sodapop.autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :so "just patch it into python" is probably fine < 1731088289 113404 :trumae!~Thunderbi@170.231.88.130 QUIT :Quit: trumae < 1731089059 374272 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731090292 444189 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1731090345 614750 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: Sure, whatever works. < 1731093854 365233 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1731095524 977916 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1731096622 509973 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1731096911 104513 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145047&oldid=145043 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+32) 10/* */ < 1731096994 347181 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1731098846 306806 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145048&oldid=145046 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+29) 10/* Examples */ > 1731098854 711603 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145049&oldid=145048 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-3) 10/* Commands */ > 1731098887 362754 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145050&oldid=145049 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-78) 10/* Commands */ > 1731098976 633321 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145051&oldid=145050 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+78) 10 > 1731099021 66761 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145052&oldid=145051 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+66) 10/* Truth-machine */ > 1731099036 433119 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145053&oldid=145052 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+3) 10/* Hello, world! */ > 1731100706 390201 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Variambda14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145054&oldid=145034 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+110) 10Categories > 1731100765 267342 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackMachine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145055&oldid=145042 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+94) 10Categories < 1731101661 285506 :visilii!~visilii@85.172.77.90 JOIN #esolangs * :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1731104023 351839 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-144-57.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1731106397 158534 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731107225 924623 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1731110090 923891 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-144-57.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1731110676 311448 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I got my tagless-final version of Brainfuck working: https://github.com/rpypkgs/rpypkgs/blob/main/bf/bf.py < 1731110736 542280 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Final encodings of optimizers are tricky because the abstract domain has to be written down explicitly. It turns out that encoding the semantics as a monoid was also important because it removed the question of whether an individual instruction is a sequence of actions. < 1731110805 557126 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm contemplating in #pypy whether I should write a blog post comparing it to other interpreters. I think it's got pretty good times: 2.5s for mandel.b and 0.1s for bench.b when JIT is enabled. > 1731111103 75719 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Algebraic Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145056&oldid=143889 5* 03Corbin 5* (+167) 10Add link to an example interpreter. > 1731112632 654528 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sharp flat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145057&oldid=112349 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+36) 10/* Example Programs */ < 1731113691 375519 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1731114011 124935 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF (category)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145058 5* 03Corbin 5* (+2616) 10Lay out a category. < 1731114035 691116 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But Is It Brainfuck? > 1731114286 812277 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145059&oldid=131222 5* 03Corbin 5* (-38) 10Three's a crowd; clean up and make disambiguation parens explicit. < 1731114476 334816 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, done for now. Dinner before more edits. Main driving question: if you can't poly-time reduce it to something resembling original Brainfuck, then is it really a Brainfuck equivalent? Similarly, if you can't embed original Brainfuck in it in poly time, is it really a Brainfuck derivative? < 1731115065 969657 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1731116148 358545 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1731116815 631826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/Going to Zagreb to buy a pony14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145060 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+4645) 10I asked ChatGPT to describe this language after a bit of priming, it has provided some other helpful suggestions in line with ideas I already had. Perhaps this is more of a collaboration than pure AI nonsense. Some of it is mine. WIP. > 1731116921 452650 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/Going to Zagreb to buy a pony14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145061&oldid=145060 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+22) 10heading levels < 1731120031 35639 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1731120046 22180 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1731123209 307795 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1731123384 46651 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had mentione before that sometimes the cursor blinking stops working in some windows temporarily, usually soon after the computer starts, but this time it is doing it now instead. (It is affecting most of the windows (including this one) but not all of them.) < 1731126131 180729 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1731126629 535866 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 > 1731130445 862858 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The nutjob from wellington14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145062 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+1192) 10Created page with "{{WIP}} '''the nutjob from wellington''' is an [[esolang]] created by [[User:yayimhere]] to do two things: * complete the trilogy of the _ from _. * look like [[The Genius from Kiev]] and have triggers like [[The Amnesiac From Minsk]] but be different i > 1731130465 573991 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The nutjob from wellington14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145063&oldid=145062 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+2) 10/* semantics and syntax */ > 1731131880 892298 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MEMORYLEEK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145064&oldid=145030 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+29) 10update influenced list, use distinguish template < 1731131961 888546 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is it possible with GCC with -rdynamic but to only export the functions in one of the .o files into dynamic libraries but not all of the .o files? < 1731132431 886393 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1731132452 712419 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1731133813 496001 :sdr123!~sdr123@2607:fb91:db5:49ea:dd63:73bc:37a7:d1c8 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] sdr123 > 1731135216 77830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackMachine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145065&oldid=145055 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+29) 10someone forgot an important category < 1731135637 151988 :sdr123!~sdr123@2607:fb91:db5:49ea:dd63:73bc:37a7:d1c8 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1731137561 298828 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The nutjob from wellington14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145066&oldid=145063 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1539) 10 > 1731138008 425266 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mmr14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145067&oldid=144999 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+30136) 10Fix obvious bug in interpreter that make "Remember: x" commands not work on entry additions < 1731138247 351636 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1731138269 30621 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wanted to share this crime agianst humanity lol: https://esolangs.org/wiki/The_nutjob_from_wellington < 1731138269 530440 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you guys think < 1731138270 30497 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and is anything unclear? if so tell me < 1731138596 456286 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1731138666 898111 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1731138679 55314 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1731138922 948881 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also nutjob means sphycopath > 1731140155 754861 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074 esolang + Python polyglot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145068&oldid=117526 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-10) 10/* External Resources */ < 1731140718 394596 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello? < 1731142722 287743 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1731144910 616121 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145069&oldid=144998 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+74) 10/* Syntax */ > 1731145199 664362 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145070&oldid=145069 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-79) 10/* Unfinished Truth-machine */ < 1731145349 81973 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1731145933 67206 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1731147900 445083 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145071&oldid=145070 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-33) 10/* Truth-machine */ < 1731147913 389921 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :? > 1731147934 615539 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145072&oldid=144932 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-45) 10/* 'Python' is not recognized */ < 1731147946 490895 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1731148317 350917 :wWwwW30!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1731148481 351244 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1731148651 351024 :wWwwW30!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1731149612 556589 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My Rate to the user that I know14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145073&oldid=142197 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+50) 10 > 1731149751 404122 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ZCX islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145074&oldid=145036 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+691) 10 > 1731149882 531348 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ZCX islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145075&oldid=145074 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+144) 10 > 1731149947 958527 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/My Rate to the user that I know14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145076&oldid=145073 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+9) 10 > 1731150129 700599 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145077&oldid=144150 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+116) 10 < 1731150190 50149 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse > 1731150345 94202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HZ3funge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145078&oldid=135779 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+171) 10 > 1731150448 517313 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BubbleLang/Operators14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145079&oldid=143772 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+176) 10 > 1731150614 633376 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AH'TALIQUAE ENGLISH/Extension14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145080&oldid=143279 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+425) 10 > 1731150685 948113 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145081&oldid=145077 5* 03Ais523 5* (-116) 10Reverted edit by [[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|PrySigneToFry]] ([[User talk:PrySigneToFry|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Ais523|Ais523]] > 1731152436 93581 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AH'TALIQUAE ENGLISH/Extension14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145082&oldid=145080 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+129) 10 < 1731153959 516661 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1731160486 306903 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1731163733 351989 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW > 1731164406 563055 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Polyglot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145083&oldid=134885 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+0) 10 > 1731164871 547588 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Collab14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145084&oldid=137057 5* 03Qawtykit 5* (+318) 10added two commands < 1731164893 222576 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plz gimme feedback > 1731166837 881369 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145085&oldid=145037 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+111) 10 > 1731166884 611046 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145086&oldid=145085 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+10) 10/* Online interpreters */ > 1731167163 905373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Python But WORST!!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145087 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+893) 10Created page with "Python but WORST!! is designed by Mihai Popa. It's just like [[Python But WORST]], but if the program '''''doesn't''''' have a > 1731167265 875975 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145088&oldid=144021 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+74) 10 > 1731167297 265519 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145089&oldid=145026 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+34) 10 < 1731167302 731802 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plz > 1731167360 250492 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Python but WORST!!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145090 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+32) 10Redirected page to [[Python But WORST!!]] > 1731167406 427499 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Python But WORST!!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145091&oldid=145087 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (-5) 10 > 1731167478 149820 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Python But WORST!!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145092&oldid=145091 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (-50) 10 > 1731167584 159094 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Python But WORST14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145093&oldid=145041 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+22) 10/* See also */ > 1731167591 890786 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Python But WORST14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145094&oldid=145093 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+1) 10/* See also */ > 1731168255 624798 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Everyonelang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145095&oldid=130110 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-163) 10 < 1731168422 253931 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1731168433 225005 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Generated by AI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145096&oldid=139415 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+43) 10 < 1731168442 286151 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse > 1731170162 860552 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-5 bytes ;)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145097&oldid=144547 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+82) 10/* Implementation */ > 1731170269 244946 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-5 bytes ;)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145098&oldid=145097 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+162) 10/* Implementation */ < 1731172316 847897 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I'm not sure how it's related to the other two similarly-named languages. < 1731174095 651414 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: BTW I hacked out a stub for deciding whether a syntax is a Brainfuck equivalent/derivative; LMK what you think: https://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_(category) > 1731174418 321642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Where is my esolang?14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145099 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+537) 10Created page with "yet another esolang by islptng i'm too busy to write detail here
 where is my [name]? # define variable  I've forgot where I put [name] for the [number][st/nd/rd/th] time! # name <- number  let me think about it. after I used my [name] the last tim
< 1731174558 656517 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: moslty its(as the names jokes shows) as long away from both langs, but still have derived concept while still beiong nothing like them:]
< 1731174774 514730 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Hmm. How would you capture algebraically that +>+<->-< is a no-op? Not that people are likely to write that kind of code.
> 1731174959 876577 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Algebraic Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145100&oldid=145056 5* 03Int-e 5* (+0) 10pick a nit
< 1731175077 680939 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(My own toy BF intermediate language is  type Offset = Integer, data BF = Add Offset Integer | Input Ofs | Output Ofs | Loop Offset [BF] | ... where ... captures higher level building blocks that may arise from recognizing certain idioms. The Offset in loops is for accounting for things like [>] that shift the pointer on each iteration.)
> 1731175122 240821 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Where is my esolang?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145101&oldid=145099 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+492) 10
< 1731175180 783021 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And the point of tracking offsets is that all Add instructions commute with one another.
< 1731175215 746912 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Good example. The monoid isn't finitely generated, so there will always be new rules that could be added to an optimizer.
< 1731175232 122440 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ISTR that this is a fundamental feature of TC systems, but I have no idea who said it or how they phrased it.
< 1731175249 253452 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bur korvo other thsn thta detail what do you thinkj?
< 1731175263 756522 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh sure, you run into Rice' theorem sooner or later.
< 1731175284 146582 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I'm not a fan, but I'm also not a fan of the source languages. They don't really feel rewarding to me.
< 1731175341 389010 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731175349 901895 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, what's the better possessive? Rice' or Rice's?
< 1731175357 120838 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Amnesiac From Minsk starts out as Minsky-style counter machines. No thank you! The only time I've appreciated those is in the proof that Braid is TC.
< 1731175385 841934 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah Minsky machines are a great target for proving things TC.
< 1731175388 62415 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ha, I've never seen "Rice'" before, but it makes sense phonetically.
< 1731175395 241571 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And an awful target for "real" programming.
< 1731175469 967455 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a bit like combinatory logic.
< 1731175493 914923 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1731175495 226821 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You generally don't want to write Minsky machines directly. You want to compile to them.
< 1731175501 427961 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it isnt rlly but like kinda is
< 1731175503 621958 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ehwutever
< 1731175553 181255 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heck, Brainfuck with bounded tape and unbounded cells is a better Minsky machine.
< 1731175565 305507 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :In terms of programmability.
< 1731175649 754083 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1731175653 84047 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's something psychological about it. Numberphile is famous for using lots of sheets of paper; I wonder how folks would feel if they instead wrote every theorem and statement with a unique ideogram? That's how counter machines feel to me.
< 1731175682 253949 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you jumped in BF it would just be a minsky machine with infinite registers and a pointer
< 1731175692 278468 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: lol thats funny
< 1731175737 893636 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I don't know what it is tbh. There's something cozy about loops, despite the struggle to make conditionals from them.
< 1731175767 792408 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :This may be Stockholm syndrome. I've spent quite a bit of time of my life actually writing Brainfuck code.
< 1731175827 121474 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And very little time constructing Minsky machines.)
< 1731175860 94109 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd rather write Brainfuck than LC, CL, or TMs. I think that it's because Brainfuck offers a little more potential for disciplined composition of subprograms.
< 1731175905 818864 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess writing LC or CL isn't too bad given a macro system. And Cammy is basically unbearable without macros, even if I think of a hive as more of an IDE than a ball of macros.
< 1731175914 371022 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: techno stockholm syndrome......... nice lol
< 1731175987 893928 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Oh but LC is actually nice in that it enables abstraction (in the form of higher order functions).
< 1731176027 195507 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The only way I can write CL code is by starting with LC code and then doing abstraction elimination.
< 1731176063 966941 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can write CL directly but I'd prefer a Cammy-like categorical basis instead. Less C, more B.
< 1731176096 511511 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :LC would be nice if it were typed. I can write STLC all day. I hate Elm and OCaml but I can use them.
< 1731176114 227852 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: it's worth noting that tromp's BLC source language actually has `let` syntactic sugar. Oh and support for simple recursion so you don't have to write your own fixed point combinator every time.
< 1731176167 957395 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So pure LC really isn't *that* nice for humans... having bindings (with name and definition in one place) is a huge help.
< 1731176186 232531 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731176188 465535 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is for me
< 1731176229 842661 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Yeah, I suppose that you're right. Apples-to-apples, I don't want to write TMs with anything less than (Not-Quite-)Laconic. Ditto with Wang tilings or Post correspondence blocks.
< 1731176275 657945 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Have you found Boehm-Berarducci encoding yet? (Did I actually spell their names right this time?)
< 1731176283 537613 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wahts dat
< 1731176306 141074 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also i hate non LC lambdas. they are stupid in my opiion
< 1731176308 238558 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You know Church encoding for natural numbers? That can be generalized to any algebraic data type.
> 1731176308 721740 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Where is my esolang?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145102&oldid=145101 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+96) 10Categories
< 1731176322 796491 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: i had that idea for ages
< 1731176373 629671 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: what do you mean, Lagrange multipliers work great.
< 1731176381 124378 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...
< 1731176382 678373 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...
< 1731176389 31112 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :LAMBDA CALCULUS!!!!!
< 1731176390 853739 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731176406 566628 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you talked about non-LC lambdas
< 1731176407 215569 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idek what that is
> 1731176410 536363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The nutjob from wellington14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145103&oldid=145066 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+111) 10Categories
< 1731176419 343570 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrange_multiplier -- usually called lambda.
< 1731176426 552823 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Lambda-abstraction is the same everywhere; any language which calls something else "lambda" can be comfortably named and shamed.
> 1731176451 469554 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The nutjob from wellington14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145104&oldid=145103 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-1) 10Fix category
< 1731176451 667551 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e that means using lambdas in non lambda calculus just feel out of place for the rest of the lang. unless its haskell ofc
< 1731176465 403591 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also that weird thing that AWS calls "lambda".
< 1731176490 699863 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: And ultimately it's a Greek letter and that language would be much poorer without it.
< 1731176540 652753 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true lol
< 1731176596 738462 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: It's not historically accurate, but think of LC as a calculus with *only* lambda-abstractions. At the time, a calculus always had applications and variables, so LC has three forms: application, variable lookup, and lambda-abstraction.
< 1731176674 418168 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, what languages were you thinking of? Languages like Python, Java, or C++ really do have lambda-abstraction, although it fits within their object models.
< 1731176729 463375 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh yeah this was the last time of me constructing Minksy machines "manually" (it really bootstraps higher-level abstractions like loops immediately to minimize the number of operations that have to be specified manually): https://devel.isa-afp.org/browser_info/current/AFP/Minsky_Machines/Minsky.html
< 1731176784 958878 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Python especially(cuz firts of all ugly, second of all looks weird, and third of all messy ahhh) but bacially everywhere. idk
< 1731176786 961414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...I found a typo
< 1731176849 307029 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...this is why I should never look at things I did years ago.
< 1731176849 972842 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: So, three complaints about syntax? Don't get me wrong, readability matters and Python is sensitive to that critique, but I don't think that that's a good basis for a complaint.
< 1731176876 424257 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its not a complaiint its more of a personal disliking
< 1731176910 763444 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Partially because Python's `lambda` still does what it's supposed to do, and partially because a readability-first approach eventually degrades into useless goo. My preferred example is Quorum, a lackluster middling language useful only as an example of what not to do.
< 1731176927 283963 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731176944 803296 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I think you've overlooked what lambda-abstraction *is*. A lambda is a *hole* in an expression where another expression can go, and when we apply a lambda, we *fill* that hole.
< 1731177018 420901 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`x(y)(z)`...
< 1731177018 896165 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`x y z`...
< 1731177019 405557 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`f(x y) f(z)` how i wish it was
< 1731177022 12229 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :f(x? No such file or directory
< 1731177022 50464 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :x(y)(z)`...? No such file or directory
< 1731177022 508204 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :x? No such file or directory
< 1731177032 856301 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731177235 653586 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or `f(x) f(y) f(z)` for that matter
< 1731177482 419302 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what about you korvo? how would you like x applied to y applied to z in lambda style to llok like?
> 1731177494 198602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145105&oldid=145086 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* Online interpreters */
> 1731177816 103486 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The nutjob from wellington14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145106&oldid=145104 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+11) 10/* semantics and syntax */
> 1731177953 696109 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The nutjob from wellington14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145107&oldid=145106 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+62) 10/* semantics and syntax */
> 1731177967 448629 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The nutjob from wellington14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145108&oldid=145107 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+4) 10/* infinite loop */
< 1731178063 403980 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shoould we have a infinte loop list?
< 1731178070 420257 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe ill make one
< 1731178246 826831 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Eh I'm still happy with the economy of that Minsky machine formalization. (It establishes that all recursively enumerable sets can be recognized by Minsky machines. It's just the Minsky machine part, the definition of recursively enumerable = computably enumerable sets is elsewhere.)
< 1731178295 117865 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :?
< 1731178320 386297 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that's enough of me admiring my past self)
< 1731178463 792441 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wahtwahtwahtwaht
< 1731178466 769633 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im very confused
< 1731178470 657912 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :eh wutever
< 1731178570 42558 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I literally don't care what it looks like. I care about how easy it is to machine-parse and how easy it is to enter on a keyboard.
< 1731178600 67039 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I am *tired* of caring about S-expressions vs JSON vs YAML vs etc.
< 1731178696 234766 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731178707 151126 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(looks can come to typing)
< 1731178712 247607 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"what lambda-abstraction is" -- LC and CL both formalize substitution. CL is arguably simpler (it's a first-order term rewriting system), but also more awkward to use.
< 1731179094 534991 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I sometimes wish Bob Harper's ABTs were more popular. An abstract binding tree (ABT) is an abstract syntax tree (AST) with generic lambda-abstraction. ABTs are ASTs with (typed) holes.
< 1731179156 369953 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: FWIW I'm a former professional pianist and my fingers are physically tired. I use an ergonomic keyboard, I stretch constantly, and I want languages that are shorter so that I don't have to type as much.
< 1731179210 422905 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Cammy's canonical form is S-expressions because (pr t not) is shorter and easier than ["pr", "t", "not"]. Otherwise I'd use JSON, and a predecessor of Cammy was implemented in jq.
< 1731179222 492671 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: What is the jq language?
< 1731179339 10486 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1731179377 858260 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: this is starting to intimidate me: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/Mintech.png (Mindustry)
< 1731179382 147073 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(here you talk about pianist as a job right? i find a pianist anybody who can play stuff and make good stuff on piano personally)
< 1731179509 229112 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Yes, I was paid money to play jazz piano in restaurants and clubs. It's not lucrative.
> 1731179548 333277 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: [500 Internal Server Error] generating response: context deadline exceeded [#6267f9299c89c]
< 1731179570 262500 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: err what?
< 1731179586 430336 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh.
< 1731179607 821900 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION outprompts the bot
> 1731179619 206776 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: "err what?" is a common phrase used in programming to indicate an error or unexpected behavior. It's a way to ask "What's wrong?" or "What went wrong?" when encountering an error message or unexpected output. It's a casual way to express confusion and seek clarification about the error.
< 1731179638 123582 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hahahaha
< 1731179707 196670 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is this real?
< 1731179710 166201 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: What's an example of hard-to-parse JSON?
< 1731179717 45541 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if not we need to make it
< 1731179743 758297 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: idk. i dont actually look much into JSON. for all i know its just a bunch of dictionaries
> 1731179747 998924 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: There's no single "hard-to-parse JSON" example, as it depends on the specific criteria for "hard". However, here's a common issue: **Nested objects with deeply nested arrays:** ```json { "nested_object": { "inner_array": [ { "nested_object": { "inner_array": [ "item" ] } }, "item" ] } } ``` This structure can be difficult to parse due to the depth...
> 1731179747 999237 PRIVMSG #esolangs :of nesting.
< 1731179773 390643 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuck how did i misread esolangs as wWwwW????
< 1731179793 665407 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> fix show
< 1731179795 22496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\...
< 1731179833 828518 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...
< 1731179834 856549 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...
< 1731179835 830027 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...
< 1731179836 856387 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...
< 1731179840 421843 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :WAHTTF
< 1731179844 796291 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err what
< 1731179853 287780 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> fix error
< 1731179854 701220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : "*Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Ex...
< 1731179864 93320 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION shrugs
< 1731179865 871173 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: how did you come up with "err what"
< 1731179871 765354 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: one "..." is more than enough
< 1731179877 984984 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure is
< 1731179880 426040 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I asked
< 1731179885 593488 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ooh, to the tune of "Sound of Silence". ♪ It's not hard to parse JSON ♩ but here's a hint to help along ♪ when nesting objects very deep ♩ the stack pointer you should always keep ♩
< 1731179906 591864 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731179919 81166 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just made a fricking train noise with my mouth
< 1731179922 361099 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice:]
< 1731179924 931409 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :♪ for the nesting! can overflow your stack ♪ with a lack ♩ of allocated space, due to the depth … of nesting ♩
> 1731179960 717803 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: The prompt doesn't provide information about how "err what" came about. It's likely a humorous or nonsensical phrase, perhaps referencing the absurdity of esoteric programming languages and their often cryptic error messages.
< 1731179960 766299 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I honestly think that there is no hard to parse JSON value. The trouble is mostly character encodings.
< 1731179994 206930 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey korvo as a pianist whats the most annoying thing you have to do?
< 1731180004 419922 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I was hoping that the response would trip up at least one component somewhere along the line. But yeah, I've parsed JSON like four or five times, and it's not hard given a parser library.
< 1731180008 145524 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And why is \u limited to 4 hex digits. :P
< 1731180027 510899 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Hip-hop on a piano or harpsichord.
> 1731180037 983791 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TxeT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145109&oldid=144976 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+1) 10/* Python */
< 1731180038 345192 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And a recursive descent parser will also do just fine.
> 1731180078 262603 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TxeT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145110&oldid=145109 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+31) 10/* Examples */
< 1731180080 508910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :What else is weird... JavaScript has NaN but JSON doesn't.
< 1731180095 321409 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And it's annoying that you have to encode 64 bit integers as strings.
< 1731180103 730653 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: personally as a /producer/(take that lightly i make music on the internet for no reason for no money and its prop terrible) i say breakcore beats. but umm i can see why
< 1731180159 294005 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But those are shortcomings of the format and its origin rather than difficulties with parsing.
< 1731180202 225713 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Gigging musicians have to be able to improvise when people ask. I can fake most styles, but hip-hop's a common request that I can't really work with. Sometimes I wish I were a drummer.
< 1731180263 372821 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs : -- argh, specify a maximum width *please*
< 1731180271 695472 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(from https://www.json.org/json-en.html )
< 1731180308 671713 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: trust me. you wont want to be a drummer. as my dad says(as a drummer), "if i started with drums i wouldve never played the piano". e explained its cuz its hard mto do both
< 1731180310 579105 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk lol
< 1731180317 609838 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(100% is particularly obnoxious because scaling doesn't work. Gotta make the viewport thinner instead.)
< 1731180327 750880 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: It might reassure you that Data-E, the subset of E which eventually became JSON, *did* distinguish between `double` and `int` types with syntax. They were mixed to appeal to EMCAScript-first folks.
< 1731180393 320835 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I can play most percussion instruments just fine. A professional drummer is much better at it than me, that's all. I did something called "drumline" that's fairly popular for folks your age in the USA.
< 1731180417 645233 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :drumline?
< 1731180422 48280 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Your dad might know what I mean when I say "I used to play quints, which are like quads with a gonk in the middle."
< 1731180422 371132 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wahts that
< 1731180443 245589 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also note im not amarican
< 1731180448 821240 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*ame
< 1731180455 209353 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenor_drum#Multi_tenor_drums_(United_States_and_Latin_America)
< 1731180505 925490 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also do you know what a tonewheel organ is? sounds rlly cool
< 1731180521 649868 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the only ooold instrument i know that shounds cool
< 1731180530 678693 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*sounds
< 1731180531 608792 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've not seen one in person, but I've heard of them.
< 1731180568 19496 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its like house + air + organ basically
< 1731180569 63054 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731180591 553131 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :back in like idk i think the 00's(?) they used thi as a base in house music
< 1731180593 836418 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*bass
< 1731180599 407991 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I specialize in electric pianos, including the Hammond sound, which is modeled after tonewheels. I also play the Rhodes sound.
< 1731180687 701337 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice
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< 1731181187 326336 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuu-
< 1731181193 532231 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :😉
< 1731181323 502743 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731181359 391495 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> length "Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff"
< 1731181361 114278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 67
< 1731181373 542361 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice
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< 1731182020 108570 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whats the craziest esolang?
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< 1731183095 111392 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: for Mindustry, I'm still using the savefile that I started with Mindustry v6, so it has a lot of existing sectors that I visited before upgrading to v7 and so keep the old map. I'm scared of starting over without all the fancy tools and my existing setups.
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> 1731184724 528896 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The nutjob from wellington14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145125&oldid=145108 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1) 10/* semantics and syntax */
> 1731184738 514647 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The nutjob from wellington14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145126&oldid=145125 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+0) 10/* infinite loop */
> 1731184773 312429 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The nutjob from wellington14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145127&oldid=145126 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+30) 10/* semantics and syntax */
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< 1731185391 919076 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
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< 1731188145 858809 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :About JSON, I think it has some problems and the ones you mentioned are some of them. I think its use of Unicode is also a problem, and that it doesn't store binary data directly, doesn't have optional trailing commas, comments, etc. But there are other possibilities, e.g. a subset of PostScript, or a binary format.
< 1731188319 667372 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Hmm, what's the better possessive? Rice' or Rice's? the "prescriptive grammar" rule is to use ' only on words that a) end with an "s" sound and b) are plural; "Rice" ends with the correct sound but isn't plural, so it's "Rice's"
< 1731188358 173348 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this does lead to weird-sounding possessives sometimes on singular words that happen to end in an s, such as "grass's" (as opposed to "grasses'")
< 1731188630 292624 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : And why is \u limited to 4 hex digits. :P ← some languages use \x with 2 digits, \u with 4, \U with 8; others use a delimiter, along the lines of \u{12345}, then they can use the same prefix for hex character literals of any length
< 1731188663 266131 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I had been making my own text-based format which can be converted to DER. However, ASN.1 doesn't have a key/vlue list type, but I made up ASN.1X which adds a few types including a key/value list type, so ASN.1X has all of the types necessary for JSON.)
< 1731188690 532633 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :About those, in some programming languages/formats, \x means one byte and \u means a Unicode character so the meaning is not always the same anyways.
< 1731188807 641741 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(My own format allows \x in most string types; Unicode strings can also have \u with four hex digits, and \U with any number of hex digits followed by a semicolon, e.g. UTF8:(\U12345;) for a UTF-8 string with the single character U+12345.)
< 1731188875 80209 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, JavaScript does have a integer type now, although it did not have a integer type at the time that JSON was invented.
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< 1731194466 127349 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Yeah it's a slow game if you capture each base and then try to maximize resource gain from that base and learn how all the new tech fits together.
< 1731195757 393502 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Haskell allows any length without the {}. You can use the zero-length \& to terminate the escape sequence if it's ambiguous.
< 1731196057 243036 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, although I think it might be better to not have ambiguous escape sequences like that
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< 1731200645 216977 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that another important consideration about S-expressions vs JSON vs YAML vs etc is that different formats are good for different purposes, I think. The same is true of character sets and character encodings, and of programming languages.
< 1731201786 801328 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
< 1731201903 581991 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> "ä1"
< 1731201905 219134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : "\228\&1"
> 1731202671 907679 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03MyTriumph 5*  10New user account
> 1731202737 545394 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Infinite noise machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145130 5* 03RainbowDash 5* (+2521) 10Created page with "Infinite noise machine is an model of computation made by [[User:RainbowDash]]. That, given enough time it will create every logic gate, it does this by using infinite noise based on a starting seed. * Machine takes N bits as a seed * Set the number o
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> 1731204816 304293 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Infinite noise machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145137&oldid=145134 5* 03RainbowDash 5* (-95) 10optimize, ill optimize machine b later
> 1731205075 931026 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EmojiLang (Mihai Popa)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145138&oldid=129901 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+130) 10
> 1731206304 653263 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145139&oldid=144865 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+2) 10/* truth-machine */
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< 1731214677 551530 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some of the custom Magic: the Gathering cards that I had made up are inspired by some stuff in Pokemon (the cards do not mention Pokemon)
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> 1731232690 408766 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IEO-fork14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145154 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+308) 10Created page with "'''IEO-fork''' is a fork of [[User:None1]]'s project, [[Interpret Esolangs Online]] created by [[User:Ractangle]].   This was originaly a [https://github.com/none-None1/Interpret-Esolangs-Online/pull/2 pull reques] to add [[6]] to [[Interpret Esolangs Online|IEO]] ==A
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> 1731237506 767951 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IEO-fork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145171&oldid=145170 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10
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> 1731239409 197206 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Kloodi 5*  10New user account
> 1731239463 56028 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IEO-fork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145172&oldid=145171 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+5) 10/* Added languages */
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> 1731248480 49539 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145184&oldid=145178 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10 is not the first symbol in the unicode
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> 1731249374 146550 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02"python"10]] to [[Blocked]]
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< 1731259005 392045 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
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> 1731320062 546205 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5*  10New user account
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> 1731320425 266680 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:H. H. P. M. P. Cole14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145254 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+219) 10Created page with "Hello. It seems that you reported many of my posts. ~~~~"
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> 1731320774 343679 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ZCX islptng/Sandbox14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145256 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+451) 10Created page with "I'm sorry. Your talk page is in a mess. Unfortunately, I got hacked on LifeWiki. I asked ColorfulGalaxy if he could use his LifeWiki account. Unsurprisingly, he replied that he couldn't. I have to stay here for a month. You c
> 1731320795 752196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145257&oldid=145252 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-424) 10Wrong place
> 1731320808 908467 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145258&oldid=145257 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+424) 10/*  */
> 1731320846 393257 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145259&oldid=145258 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+191) 10/* chinese */
> 1731320971 318691 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145260 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+113) 10Created page with "[[/One per generation|OCA One per generation project]]  [[/Rules|Rule tables]]  [http://lazyslug.com/ LifeViewer]"
> 1731322039 559246 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DeadIFsh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145261&oldid=102888 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+388) 10Introduced an examples section which initially intrines a countdown program and two unsigned byte range printers.
> 1731322109 928768 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145262&oldid=145201 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+190) 10/* An actual APL-like language */
> 1731322147 933858 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145263&oldid=144053 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+32) 10/* Rating and people */ new section
> 1731322159 190525 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145264&oldid=145263 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-7) 10/* Rating and people */
> 1731322753 405701 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DeadIFsh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145265&oldid=145261 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+168) 10Added a hyperlink to my tentative implementation of the DeadIFsh programming language on GitHub.
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> 1731324880 617591 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ZCX islptng/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145266&oldid=144130 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+66) 10
> 1731325463 66371 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blocked14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145267&oldid=145200 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-170) 10Redirected page to [[Https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ractangle/Sandbox#Rating and people]]
> 1731325487 246139 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blocked14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145268&oldid=145267 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-26) 10Changed redirect target from [[Https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ractangle/Sandbox#Rating and people]] to [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox#Rating and people]]
> 1731325499 153138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145269&oldid=145262 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-13) 10/* Stuff to continue */
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> 1731326529 252823 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Game of Life14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145270&oldid=143134 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+25) 10It's surprising.
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> 1731327292 42758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/Rules14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145272&oldid=145271 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (-103) 10
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> 1731327671 819027 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ZCX islptng/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145275&oldid=145266 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+35) 10LifeViewer
> 1731328269 619367 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GlyphCode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145276&oldid=143842 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+24) 10
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< 1731329855 414556 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how can smth be on my watchlist when i havent been on the page?
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> 1731331868 807024 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ZCX islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145277&oldid=145247 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+78) 10
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< 1731333082 35732 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello!
> 1731335068 376031 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Game of Life/EmbedViewer14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145278 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+1579) 10Created page with "{{#switch: {{{position|right}}} | right = 
{{LV:Viewer|{{{rle|{{RLE:{{{pname}}}}}}}} {{L > 1731335151 265908 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Game of Life/EmbedViewer/Doc14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145279 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+2859) 10Created page with "{{EmbedViewer |pname = richsp16 |viewerconfig = #C [[ AUTOSTART GPS 4 THUMBSIZE 2 ]] |caption = [[Rich's p16]] }} The {{tl|EmbedViewer}} template can be used to embed a floating [[LifeViewer]] applet in an article, using an < 1731336376 455439 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1731337038 457476 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode JOIN #esolangs supercode :[https://web.libera.chat] supercode < 1731340110 654315 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1731340608 976959 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1731341858 387776 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731343216 97845 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1731344146 291922 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:RainbowDash14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145280&oldid=142579 5* 03RainbowDash 5* (+1700) 10 > 1731344583 53778 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Infinite noise machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145281&oldid=145227 5* 03RainbowDash 5* (-1) 10an>a < 1731346722 901916 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731348381 438607 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1731348611 668252 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen < 1731350366 100442 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1731351259 838544 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Nimrag 5* 10New user account > 1731351731 476403 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145282&oldid=145253 5* 03Nimrag 5* (+299) 10/* Introductions */ < 1731351959 659802 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Did you know that bridges weave/stack in Mindustry? https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/Mindbridge.png (all belts are moving at full speed) < 1731352020 97153 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes. < 1731352060 860265 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: you can also have multiple bridges going to the same destination < 1731352125 497401 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that... makes sense too > 1731352236 237259 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145283&oldid=145148 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+16) 10/* quine */ < 1731352264 58338 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh the game also suffers from the problem that some items are lost when saving/restoring. But that's probably not ever going to be relevant. > 1731352430 528389 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07'Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145284&oldid=145283 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-9) 10/* narcissist */ < 1731352461 124874 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Mindustry has rather special handling where it only simulates the one foreground sector in detail, background sectors are following entirely different rules. sometimes you can abuse this, and you have to at least be aware of it because it can be both bad and good for you. < 1731352477 218642 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not like shapez or Factorio that simulates everything all the time < 1731352528 752214 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah I gathered that. It uses the item/min production stat to accumulate wealth. I don't know whether/how it deals with enemies. > 1731352563 176320 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EmiT14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145285 5* 03Nimrag 5* (+1599) 10created emiT page < 1731352589 48494 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's mostly good enough < 1731352615 845547 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the one annoying bit is that the mining bots prioritize lead instead of balancing copper and lead when the hub is full. < 1731352619 904675 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hub = core < 1731352649 458104 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode JOIN #esolangs supercode :[https://web.libera.chat] supercode > 1731352710 423125 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unique14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145286&oldid=143223 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+27) 10/* Commands */ < 1731352710 565845 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so on one base I end up with 2k lead/s and 0 copper/s if I launch to another base, despite both resources being half depleted :P > 1731352734 768277 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unique14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145287&oldid=145286 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-27) 10 < 1731352736 184632 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not really a problem > 1731352798 851604 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unique14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145288&oldid=145287 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+118) 10/* Order of execution */ < 1731352874 706934 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: you may consider it a SPOILER, but there's a partial description at https://mindustry-unofficial.fandom.com/wiki/Unattended_Sector_Defense . < 1731352962 98175 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I'm not reading that just yet, but thanks for the link :) < 1731353025 766542 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: this comes up mostly at the hard polar sectors, where there are multiple enemy bases neighboring each other that there's a real risk that you lose a sector while you're attacking another one. There's one case when this is mandatory for any%: you have to be able to hold both Desolate Rift and Impact 0087 at the same time to enter Nuclear production complex, so one of them has to survive in the < 1731353031 795829 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :background for at least a few minutes. It's not hard if you know what you have to do, but what helps and doesn't help can be surprising. < 1731353168 510148 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm still on medium enemy activity sectors < 1731353180 70346 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :threat level is what the game calls it < 1731353213 39820 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's really not easy to build under time pressure < 1731353224 109064 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also the reason why it's worth to know this is that hard enemy base sectors are usually easier to capture the first time, when you're destroying the enemy base, than after you cleared it then Crux recaptures it from a nearby enemy base and to recapture the sector you now have to play it in survival mode. < 1731353242 738939 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and incorporate unit control into that, that's my next hurdle < 1731353256 665632 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this will probably first happen to you or has already happened to you for Fungal pass < 1731353298 826072 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see that and haven't captured it yet. < 1731353323 698714 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's basically where I am in the game. < 1731353479 871020 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, after capturing that is where the game introduces to the mechanic that a cleared background sector occasionally gets attacks if there's an uncleared enemy base nearby < 1731353501 391317 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can meet that earlier depending on what sectors you capture, it's just where you usually meet it < 1731353563 341669 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's the first time I saw a neighboring sector < 1731353567 982108 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that makes sense > 1731353816 746805 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145289&oldid=143888 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-55) 10/* Instructions */ < 1731353834 109334 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, most other neighboring enemy bases are either far, or behind hard sectors, or are locked named sectors and so don't cause vulnerability > 1731353835 142769 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145290&oldid=145289 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+47) 10/* Instructions */ < 1731354341 55425 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :have you got finger confused between simulation games yet? admittedly Shapez.io to Mindustry is not too bad, between Mindustry and Factorio is much more confusing, and so is between OpenTTD and anything else < 1731354392 326486 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I right-click too much < 1731354407 760566 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :trying to scroll, deleting stuff instead < 1731354451 858784 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or confusing command mode and normal mode < 1731354467 220095 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that's within the same game so not really what you're asking < 1731354564 582058 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1731354617 555277 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I probably tried x and b from Shapez but they don't do anything desastrous in Mindustry > 1731354799 793074 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145291&oldid=145290 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+104) 10/* Programs */ < 1731355033 433656 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had a few slip-ups in shapez when I tried to scroll with rmb and deleted a whole path of something important, even when I played only shapez for a while before it < 1731355099 350767 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1731355157 262793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been bitten by that too. Especially because I enabled deleting buildings while keeping the current active building. < 1731355202 259908 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :TBH shapez is such a clinical game, it should have basic undo functionality :P < 1731355792 389071 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:439:26c9:6552:a81e JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1731356026 173933 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:439:26c9:6552:a81e QUIT :Client Quit > 1731356358 190378 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ZCX islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145292&oldid=145277 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10/* ! */ < 1731356675 390988 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:439:26c9:6552:a81e JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1731357172 439010 :supercode!~supercode@user/supercode QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1731357982 435779 :ElZorro!~ElZorro@dynamic-176-006-057-216.176.6.pool.telefonica.de JOIN #esolangs * :ElZorro < 1731358255 252970 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"clinical game … undo" => ok, now I'm imagining Trauma Center "oops, killed the patient, undo" > 1731359000 178816 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PyChr14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145293&oldid=144673 5* 03ShirAko 5* (+10) 10Fixed link < 1731359514 468323 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1731359588 329348 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :wb ais523 < 1731359590 801590 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good Night * > 1731359939 814515 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145294&oldid=145244 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10 > 1731360028 700806 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Not14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145295&oldid=145250 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-2) 10Categories < 1731360445 222889 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:439:26c9:6552:a81e QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1731360892 922192 :ElZorro!~ElZorro@dynamic-176-006-057-216.176.6.pool.telefonica.de QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1731361536 849213 :Everything!~Everythin@46.211.220.37 JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything > 1731362077 184428 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StupidStackLanguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145296&oldid=141427 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-4) 10/* Hello World */ < 1731362157 496264 :visilii!~visilii@213.24.132.178 JOIN #esolangs * :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1731362351 961577 :visilii_!~visilii@85.172.77.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1731363400 569839 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731364869 148267 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1731365042 925760 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA JOIN #esolangs JAA :JustAnotherArchivist > 1731367332 7399 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JSFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145297&oldid=144674 5* 03None1 5* (+1) 10/* Shorten your JSFuck code */ < 1731368904 156095 :Everything!~Everythin@46.211.220.37 QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1731369229 956453 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Game of Life/EmbedViewer/Doc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145298&oldid=145279 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (-2859) 10Blanked the page > 1731369270 986830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Game of Life/EmbedViewer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145299&oldid=145278 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (-1579) 10Blanked the page < 1731369428 945311 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1731369866 492699 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1731369886 997396 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1731370093 114237 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/One per generation14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145300 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+12951) 10Created page with "The discussion thread of the project: [https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6746|here]
 #C b3s23 - b37c8s238 1cpg x = 306, y = 55, rule = B37c8/S238 90bo$90b3o144bo$82bo10bo143b3o$82b3o3b3o2bo2b2o5
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< 1731375923 411360 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :stupid question. there are given N rewards, n kings where n <= N, and for each king, an ordered list of at least one reward (a reward can appear on multiple king's list). when the hero visits a king, the king gives him the first reward from the king's own list that the hero hasn't received yet. the hero visits the kings in some order, each king only once. determine if there's a possible order where a 
< 1731375929 435768 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :king can't give a reward. is it possible to determine this in time polynomial in N? it's possible in nondeterministic polynomial time in N, or exponential time in N.
< 1731375980 648483 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think your definition of "stupid question" is quite different from the usual one :-D
< 1731376168 680894 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's stupid question because I hadn't thought about it too hard before asking
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< 1731376204 194606 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's probably either an easy polynomial algorithm or an easy reduction from an NP-complete problem
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> 1731377254 573111 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[073 (islptng)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145302&oldid=145301 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+34) 10A more powerful interpreter
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> 1731380682 25002 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145304&oldid=144307 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (-117) 10Removed link to locked thread) (----
> 1731380860 533044 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145305&oldid=141711 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+334) 10Is it possible?) (----
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> 1731382198 726678 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Infinite noise machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145306&oldid=145281 5* 03RainbowDash 5* (-1519) 10/* Example Code */
> 1731382333 670107 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Infinite noise machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145307&oldid=145306 5* 03RainbowDash 5* (-1) 10/* Example Machines */
> 1731382426 396669 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Infinite noise machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145308&oldid=145307 5* 03RainbowDash 5* (+51) 10
> 1731382885 486380 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TWFUNSETDCMFIU14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145309&oldid=140246 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+8) 10Wrong term) (----
> 1731382887 714771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Infinite noise automata14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145310 5* 03RainbowDash 5* (+2793) 10Rename infinite noise machine to infinite noise automata
> 1731382922 800097 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Infinite noise automata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145311&oldid=145310 5* 03RainbowDash 5* (-2793) 10Blanked the page
> 1731382972 76685 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03RainbowDash 5*  10moved [[02Infinite noise machine10]] to [[Infinite-noise automata]]: I want to rename it to Infinite noise automata
> 1731383035 657357 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Infinite-noise automata14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145314&oldid=145312 5* 03RainbowDash 5* (+140) 10
> 1731383195 503688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Infinite-noise automata14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145315&oldid=145314 5* 03RainbowDash 5* (-10) 10
> 1731383396 635787 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:No-code esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145316&oldid=131177 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+74) 10
> 1731384509 23514 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:RainbowDash14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145317&oldid=145280 5* 03RainbowDash 5* (-601) 10
< 1731385889 730746 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it's NP-complete. https://mathb.in/80141
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< 1731398044 707202 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1731398045 275084 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: thank you, I think that works, nice construction
> 1731398218 552313 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145318&oldid=144977 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+25) 10----) (Fixed user page redirect
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> 1731401942 48883 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SML14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145319&oldid=144959 5* 03Froginstarch 5* (+30) 10/* Instructions */
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> 1731404707 431243 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03QuantumV 5*  10New user account
> 1731404923 380618 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145320&oldid=145282 5* 03QuantumV 5* (+147) 10
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> 1731408982 829066 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02310]] to [[3 (AndrewBayly)]]
> 1731409076 529830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SML14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145323&oldid=145319 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-12) 10why do you even need a "main" label
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< 1731413578 108118 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust clock >>>+<-<-(>(-)*128<+[<(---+)*-1]-)*8>+[-((-)*256<+[<(---+)*-1]->)*8(-)*-1](+)*21<(-)*33(>)*11([(-)*106[-.][--+[--+]]>]>)*21
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< 1731413608 663713 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looks like i'm not so terrible at defense programs ;)
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< 1731419710 1438 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey ais523 i shared this esolang with you: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Final_Word_Of_The_Day
< 1731419710 502070 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you asked: "i wonder if you can specify it down to a single specification"
< 1731419711 2218 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wanted to rehash this question
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< 1731429075 664577 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anybody?
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> 1731430643 593363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SML14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145325&oldid=145323 5* 03Corbin 5* (+59) 10Not to be confused with Standard ML.
< 1731430702 564850 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: It's not possible to be TC and also only have exactly one quine, I think.
< 1731430727 489613 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why should that be?
< 1731430728 581129 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The folklore version of this is easy: without loss of generality, programs in TC languages have access to their own source code.
< 1731430749 963835 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1731430865 76212 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Similarly, I think that TC languages will always admit non-narcissist self-interpreters. Certainly they'll have non-narcissist interpreters for *other* TC languages, so that self-interpretation isn't a special case.
< 1731430922 335366 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sad :(
< 1731430997 80545 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why? They're just numbers. No amount of emotion can change whether something is provable.
< 1731431021 224787 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true. but i still find it sad
< 1731431023 767906 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :A better approach would be to assume that I'm bullshitting and wrong, and look for more rigorous reasons to support or dismiss my claims.
< 1731431034 168720 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1731431037 378012 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well ill try
< 1731431038 377897 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1731431160 815769 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Consider a language where printing is the main effect, and imagine running two programs in that language, one after the other. If the first program prints "A" and the second program prints "B", then they'll together print "AB", right?
< 1731431203 358906 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not if somehow you restrict it such that no program can be appended to another one and they function
< 1731431205 400833 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like
< 1731431210 774904 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But now imagine that we have two programs which are quines, say programs A and B. If we run A and then B, we get "AB". So, this means that your language needs to not have a way to combine A and B to make a new program AB.
< 1731431216 644220 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :all prograns are kinda "closed off" from each other
< 1731431234 184460 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also
< 1731431259 73154 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if we say "each quine is one command" then a reduction could happen
< 1731431275 697859 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(cuz one command plugged into another becomes a third)
< 1731431297 592625 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. In general, what you're looking for is called a "prefix-free" system: no program is a prefix of another program.
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< 1731431328 318570 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Where "prefix" means what you think it means: A is a prefix of AB because AB can be broken into two pieces and the first piece is equivalent to A.
< 1731431335 251961 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so unless FWOTD cant be preefix free then its just that ig
< 1731431371 430110 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : wWwwW: It's not possible to be TC and also only have exactly one quine, I think. ← I think it's possible in uninteresting ways, e.g. if the *only* program that produces output is a quine
< 1731431391 621842 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, imagine any TC language that can't produce output, the only quine is the null program
< 1731431419 917979 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I didn't even think about that. I assumed that we were talking about the ability to print any string whatsoever. Whoops.
< 1731431467 529038 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true. for all we know it cna have n output(well no cuz narrcicist. unless self interpriting can "produce output". hmmm)
< 1731431484 79519 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nLab has a hilarious page about that: https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/too+simple+to+be+simple
< 1731431537 273416 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Wait, does this language actually exist, or is your page asking a question about how to build such a language?
< 1731431563 28385 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :latter
< 1731431576 614190 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :last time I thought about generalised versions of this sort of thing, I wound up getting really stuck on the definition of Turing-completeness – for some of the resulting languages there was clearly a program with the same behaviour as any given program in a TC language, but the compilation process was potentially uncomputable, and I think that's enough to *not* actually be TC (otherwise you compile all halting programs into an empty program and all non-
< 1731431578 170439 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :halting programs into an infinite loop)
< 1731431589 616076 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: FWOTD is basically a puzzle "design an esolang with this properties", rather than a language
< 1731431606 733591 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Sure. I suppose I'm wondering what makes those properties interesting.
< 1731431641 158318 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might just be a randomly generated puzzle, with some amount of human insight that aims to make it not trivially easy or trivially impossible
< 1731431649 179176 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :We don't even have a hint about uniqueness or universe. I guess I should assume that languages have symbols, words, grammar, etc.?
< 1731431657 777983 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :don't underestimate the interest that comes from randomly generated puzzles, I have dealt with those a lot in the past
< 1731431670 366113 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: I sent you a private message
< 1731431713 39512 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I love jigsaw puzzles! But that doesn't mean that it's easy to learn how to use a jigsaw, and I really don't want wWwwW to think that jigsaw puzzles are jigsaws.
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> 1731431948 993072 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SML14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145328&oldid=145327 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+3) 10also some adjustments
< 1731432018 118434 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: waht. sorry if im stupid but umm
< 1731432023 123999 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :arent they the same???
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< 1731432087 315459 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: nowadays "jigsaw" is often used as an abbreviation for "jigsaw puzzle", but there is a type of saw called a "jigsaw" which used to be used to make the puzzels
< 1731432100 413474 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh ok
< 1731432147 723018 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :when I search "jigsaw" in Wikipedia, I get a disambiguation page between "Jigsaw puzzle" and "Jigsaw (tool)"
< 1731432152 649117 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is what I expected
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< 1731432174 608736 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :makes sense
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< 1731432510 103120 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway umm frick
< 1731432662 886836 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh no
< 1731432673 392776 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well
< 1731432677 870154 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im keeping a list now
< 1731432685 356952 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* pre-fix free
< 1731432719 504502 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I think to make FWOTD work, lots and lots of programs have to be a narcissist due to the difficulty of working out whether a program is a self-interpreter or not
< 1731432730 853617 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeas
< 1731432750 224185 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe there is a "standard"/"command" for self interpreting
< 1731432764 336613 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it is going to depend somewhat on how you define self-interpreters in the presence of I/O
< 1731432800 569470 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1731432803 747807 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in arbitrarily languages, a program normally takes some number of inputs (usually 0 or 1) – to write a self-interpreter that handles I/O, it needs one more input, because it needs all the inputs to the program it's interpreting plus the program itself
< 1731432805 961404 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :WHICH is important
< 1731432839 459039 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this came up in, e.g., Advance The Wheel! where I defined a way for programs to take arbitrarily many inputs, that was important to make the self-interpreter simpler
< 1731432865 431493 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow i got somebody interested in ma esolang
< 1731432870 535544 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is new
< 1731432920 191031 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: A jigsaw is a very dangerous power tool. They can remove fingers easily. Similarly, I have an ethical duty to discourage folks from creating the next PHP; language authors need to learn security at some point.
< 1731432944 327013 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so, because self-interpreters have to also be narcissists, it's like they have an extra *output* compared to the program they're interpreting
< 1731432968 356575 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as such, I think you bypass the narcissist problem entirely by giving every program an additional output, that states whether the source code and input are the same
< 1731432988 40766 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it cn be defined as "a program that takes at least two inputs, and returns atleast one"?
< 1731433002 611380 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(well no but like its a place to start)
< 1731433040 246922 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :when designing esolangs you have a lot of flexibility to define the inputs and outputs
< 1731433089 760901 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another option, taking a page from Futamura, is to require two typed inputs: the normal input data, and also a FWOTD program as source code! This requires you to have a FWOTD program which copies input data to output and ignores the input program, so that you can ignore the input program in general.
< 1731433119 47334 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION wonders about designing a joke esolang where the inputs are really awkward, e.g. real-life, life-sized statues
< 1731433132 81157 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow that sentence confused my brain
< 1731433205 665104 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Futamura projections seem to confuse everybody. But you don't have to go that deep; just recognize that there's a difference between input data (as like text or whatever) and input programs (as ASTs or other abstract syntax).
< 1731433220 41230 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1731433301 789376 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think ais523's point about additional outputs could be combined with my point. So each program would get two inputs (some data and a program) and two outputs (the normal output, and also whether the interpreter thinks that the input data matches the input program)
< 1731433562 261313 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess that the narcissism is a property of the interpreter, not the programs? Or it's a property of programs which is verified by the interpreter?
< 1731433598 710169 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i originally thought former
< 1731433600 516554 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so
< 1731433603 976684 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1731433767 10871 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :**warning i may leave soon*
< 1731433880 426048 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No worries. I need to go get breakfast. Take it easy.
< 1731433901 914568 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and i cant come back cuz idk stupid rules)
< 1731434007 323543 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"It's not possible to be TC and also only have exactly one quine" => that's mostly true, but technically only if the TC part can also write output arbitrarily. You could easily define a language that is TC but can only output ascii consonants and the program source code needs vowels, or something like that.
< 1731434070 169709 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we have talked a lot about this
< 1731434100 46561 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, I'm still reading the backlog
< 1731434125 104916 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice lol
< 1731434235 579149 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i hvae 2 min left guys lol
< 1731434249 161893 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(ill check logs if you want to talk after i leave
< 1731434366 862081 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah right, ais523 already mentioned what I said
> 1731434719 205346 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SML14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145332&oldid=145328 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-1) 10
< 1731434919 152388 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm confused, does https://sleef.org/ have release tarballs hidden somewhere, or am I supposed to just checkout a release tag in its git repository?
< 1731435242 726390 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know some software libraries these days only provide a git repo, most notably mpir
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< 1731436813 657545 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"where the inputs are really awkward" => I work in industry where all our inputs come from sensors (such as pressure and temperature meters or switches) of which the hardware is expensive. this is partly because they are brand name stuff where the vendor does not put an "for recrational purposes, no warranties" sticker on them, and partly because some of them have to work in a corrosive or high 
< 1731436819 647375 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :temperature or low temperature or flammable environment, and many of them can't be replaced without stopping production which is expensive. some of this applies not only to the sensors themselves but also the hardware connecting them to the computers, and to the output devices. 
< 1731437057 907013 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"real-life, life-sized statues" => no statues as such, but this involves ten meter tall tanks that must not leak under a large pressure, also two meter tall tanks that must tolerate high temperature, with an expensive use-once emergency exit that breaks exactly in the right safe way at a specific pressure. 
< 1731437091 783768 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I think some of the equipment counts as larger than life-sized
< 1731437368 960528 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I'd guess you're supposed to grab the sleef code from https://github.com/shibatch/sleef/releases
< 1731437491 6624 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: indeed, thank you
< 1731437937 558908 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I once worked for a manufacturing startup and one of my research projects took machined metal parts as inputs. I might summarize that project as: But Is It a Developable Surface?
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< 1731478557 888018 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are quite bureaucratic and generally don't listen to people who don't pay them large amounts of money
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esolangLifeWiki
-PSTFNone1 == P24 oscillator == [[User:ColorfulGalaxy]] found a "p24" oscillator in his new rule.
#BEGIN x = 14, y = 35, rule = HybridRegionB3S23B3S2-i34q 14B$14B$14B$14B$14B$14B$14B$14B$1
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> 1731507035 651963 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07P14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145378 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1192) 10Created page with "'''P''' or '''PLOOPY''' is an esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] based on a joke on Failboats streams == semantics and syntax == === syntax === the "fonts" are defined as:  [what A will be replaced[space]with what b will be replaced with[space]ect.] (where [space]<
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< 1731516782 492158 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :eh wutever anybody wanna chat about FWOTD
< 1731517866 119570 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops i have to leave
< 1731517868 789515 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in 2 min
< 1731517888 227593 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but umm ais523 and/or korvo are any of you still interested
< 1731517956 28228 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm busy with other things atm
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< 1731522846 273299 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: What is the purpose of the language DIVSPL?
> 1731522865 827798 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: DIVSPL is a declarative programming language designed to solve the FizzBuzz problem. It's a one-dimensional language with a static, strong type system. The language aims to make expressing FizzBuzz solutions concise and easy to understand.
< 1731523109 486517 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: What is the purpose of the language Malbolge?
> 1731523216 137624 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Malbolge's primary purpose is to be intentionally difficult to use, making it a challenging and esoteric programming language. It's designed to be a frustrating and complex language, pushing the boundaries of what's considered "computable" in programming.
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< 1731523252 474415 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: What is the purpose of the language BLC?
> 1731523313 723552 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: BLC (Binary Lambda Calculus) is a self-interpreting programming language that uses binary digits to represent lambda calculus expressions. It's designed to be a simplified and efficient way to express and execute lambda calculus programs. BLC's self-interpreter is a key feature, allowing it to execute programs directly without needing external...
> 1731523313 728162 PRIVMSG #esolangs :interpreters.
< 1731523331 426399 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, good so far. Now...
< 1731523337 313769 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: What is the purpose of the language Brainfuck?
< 1731523353 313014 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This one is tough because RAG has too many options to choose from, I think.
> 1731523441 408202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Brainfuck is a minimalist programming language designed to be simple and challenging. It's known for its limited syntax, relying on a single-instruction set to manipulate a memory cell. The goal is to demonstrate the fundamental concepts of programming, emphasizing the importance of logic and problem-solving over complex syntax.
> 1731523513 948720 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07true14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145383&oldid=145380 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+81) 10/* Examples */
< 1731523561 953322 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep, a complete miss. BF was designed to have a small compiler, and arguably to implement P''.
< 1731523570 545375 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: What is the purpose of the language Cammy?
< 1731523614 26750 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...Also, "single-instruction set"? Bad grammar aside, that's wrong in either possible sense.
> 1731523817 193750 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Cammy is a functional programming language designed for expressing categorical logic. It's based on a static, strong, and implicit type system, making it suitable for representing mathematical structures using categories. Cammy's S-expression syntax and primitive recursive nature allow for concise and expressive code. It's particularly well-suited...
> 1731523817 197812 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for tasks involving dataflow programming and categorical logic.
> 1731523862 335365 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07P14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145384&oldid=107258 5* 03Corbin 5* (+28) 10Bluelink Bhm.
< 1731523939 518720 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So. On one hand, I can't argue against a single word of that. But OTOH we can see that the RAG is not reliable for articles of that length; it's iffy on BLC and whiffs on Brainfuck.
< 1731524035 27942 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's funny how the LLMs can show us the existence of blind spots: hey look, the LLM has the same blind spot as us! But it can't explain what's missing.
< 1731525071 328270 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also BF normally has more than one memory cell
< 1731525093 556561 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if it still gets easy ones wrong?
< 1731525101 670973 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: why was Advance The Wheel! created?
> 1731525110 73181 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Advance The Wheel! (ATH!) was created as a playful, experimental language designed to explore the limits of programming. It's a "toy language" meant to be fun and challenging, pushing the boundaries of what's possible with a simple, yet expressive syntax.
< 1731525132 288256 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, still gets it wrong
< 1731525137 336843 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: What is the purpose of the language Advance The Wheel!?
< 1731525236 219115 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hard prompts are really sensitive to word choice, so let's see apples-to-apples how bad it is.
< 1731525276 430033 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: why was Advance The Wheel! created?
< 1731525283 27977 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::P
> 1731525311 837469 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Advance The Wheel! is a self-interpreter language designed to create a small, efficient, and flexible programming language. It achieves this by using a unique control flow based on a wheel that advances based on program commands. This allows for a compact and metacircular language with potential applications in computational linguistics and the...
> 1731525311 840941 PRIVMSG #esolangs :creation of new programming languages.
> 1731525317 877758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Advance The Wheel! (ATH!) was created as a playful, experimental language designed to explore the limits of programming. It's a "toy language" meant to be fun and challenging, pushing the boundaries of what's possible with a simple, yet expressive syntax.
< 1731525333 58340 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :u'i Zero temperature.
< 1731525409 798799 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yes, it still got it wrong even with korvo's wording (although the second sentence is correct and the first sentence is arguably correct, the third is obviously wrong)
< 1731525418 598681 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it missed the actual answer entirely
< 1731525471 168658 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: Please write a haiku about Advance The Wheel!?
> 1731525477 421716 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: A wheel's slow turn spins, Advance The Wheel, a dream's call, Code dances, it leaps.
< 1731525507 161086 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently it can't count
< 1731525510 825136 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :TBH I'm somewhat surprised that I got the exact same answer... I expected some degree of randomness. Maybe that's wrong or maybe there's a cache.
< 1731525523 271470 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it does look vaguely like a haiku from a distance, but the details are all wrong
< 1731525527 321081 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is typical of generative AI
< 1731525794 576691 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I think it's configured to have "zero temperature"; there's a randomness slider in [0,1] and at 0 it will always pick the most likely token in a greedy loop.
< 1731525820 890044 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :This reminds me that OpenAI's showcase example of "Chain of Thought" is absolute bullshit. https://openai.com/index/learning-to-reason-with-llms/  ...you get a weird cryptogram. And the very first step is a recipe for decoding, and all the "reasoning" is boring step-by-step application of those rules that came out of nowhere. None of "oh each ciphertext word is 2 times longer than the plain text...
< 1731525827 333684 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...word so let's group letters in pairs" that would constitute a guided solution process.
< 1731526044 763013 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Will it bamboozle people who've never solved a cryptogram? I bet it will. But it does *not* demonstrate reasoning. I also wonder what they've cooked to enable this kind of thing; dealing with sequences of semi-random letters is not exactly an LLM task.
< 1731526264 95826 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Imagine if the showcase was an instance of Fermi estimation. I'd be far more impressed.
< 1731526569 332691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: anyway I guess that means you have to inject your own randomness and rephrasing questions will do that
< 1731527030 250819 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Yeah, that's a way of looking at it. The way that I think of it is in terms of conditional probability; after a long run of hard tokens (the prompt), the model's probability distribution is going to stay relatively hard for a while. It'll fuzz out eventually, but only with like a Lyapunov exponent or whatever.
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< 1731527358 812303 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :what the heck is a self-interpreting programming language ? 
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< 1731527412 356933 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :BLC is not a way to execute lambda calculus programs either
< 1731527457 348438 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless you interpret that as adding basic IO to pure lambda calculus
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< 1731527570 201878 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tromp: to be fair it got all the rest wrong, too
< 1731527588 308550 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :the original purpose was to have a very simple definition of Algorithmic Complexity giving very small constants
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< 1731527650 51524 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :when I tried it on a language designed for one primary purpose, which is stated in the first paragraph of the article, it still failed
< 1731527695 385243 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It seems like RAG has diminishing or even negative returns on a large database. DIVSPL is the only one to get a good answer.
< 1731527705 996451 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Er, on a large article, rather.
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> 1731572560 863145 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:IEO-fork home.png10]]"
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I'm Narek Sanasaryan, I'm from Armenia. I have been here a lot without an account. So here I am! ~~~~" < 1731587199 812482 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731588264 447300 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1731588864 351639 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1731589170 426812 :amby!~ambylastn@94.119.64.3 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1731589174 240215 :amby!~ambylastn@94.119.64.3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1731591222 328247 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1731592233 33659 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1731593917 367481 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1731595195 83372 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Nythop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145428&oldid=145348 5* 03None1 5* (+0) 10Question mark > 1731595741 383315 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Nythop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145429&oldid=145428 5* 03None1 5* (+395) 10 < 1731596141 351314 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1731596142 422823 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello > 1731596799 833913 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PLOOPY14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145430 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+33) 10Redirected page to [[P]] < 1731597349 466791 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1731597808 406886 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1731599190 318167 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1731599467 483432 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MEMORYLEEK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145431&oldid=145333 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+26) 10update < 1731599674 992447 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1731600728 92175 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03 5* 10New user account < 1731601146 584912 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1731604210 732733 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Orange7Official14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145432 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+45) 10Created page with "is that the orange 7 from progressmod 95 wiki" > 1731604224 229951 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Orange7Official14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145433&oldid=145432 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+163) 10 < 1731605970 188236 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731606670 595361 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good Night! < 1731607346 989908 :visilii!~visilii@213.24.126.184 JOIN #esolangs * :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1731607369 984907 :visilii_!~visilii@213.24.127.47 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1731607692 82536 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1731608519 326732 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Userwatt 5* 10New user account < 1731608641 48859 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm nopl (%eax + 0x12345678) < 1731608646 177032 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: expecting `,' or `)' after base register in `(%eax+0x12345678)' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: no such instruction: `nopl (%eax+0x12345678)' < 1731608650 858409 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm nopl (%eax, 0x12345678) < 1731608652 236301 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: expecting scale factor of 1, 2, 4, or 8: got `0x12345678' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: no such instruction: `nopl (%eax,0x12345678)' < 1731608658 567501 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm nopl (%eax,, 0x12345678) < 1731608659 772814 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: expecting scale factor of 1, 2, 4, or 8: got `' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: no such instruction: `nopl (%eax,,0x12345678)' < 1731608662 325683 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm nopl (%eax,1, 0x12345678) < 1731608663 669376 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: expecting `)' after scale factor in `(%eax,1,0x12345678)' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: no such instruction: `nopl (%eax,1,0x12345678)' < 1731608675 113994 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm nopl 0x12345678(%eax) < 1731608676 616385 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 67 0f 1f 80 78 56 34 12 nopl 0x12345678(%eax) < 1731608679 391237 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there we go < 1731608686 566424 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm nopl 0x12345678(%rax) < 1731608687 996567 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 0f 1f 80 78 56 34 12 nopl 0x12345678(%rax) < 1731608699 744035 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`asm nopq 0x12345678(%rax) < 1731608701 30484 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0: 48 0f 1f 80 78 56 34 12 nopq 0x12345678(%rax) > 1731608889 679267 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145434&oldid=145426 5* 03Userwatt 5* (+113) 10/* Introductions */ < 1731609677 361055 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1731612693 553180 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:S and e.png10]]" > 1731612758 638510 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07true14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145436&oldid=145394 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+78) 10/* Implementations */ > 1731612884 917903 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:S and e.png10]]" > 1731614087 25132 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145438&oldid=145434 5* 03 5* (+167) 10 > 1731614125 915218 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145439 5* 03 5* (+55) 10Created page with "hi i exist i'll put my esolangs here when i make them" < 1731614377 286325 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1731615379 443184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Prime notary14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145440 5* 03 5* (+1693) 10Main thingie > 1731615473 687342 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Prime notary14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145441&oldid=145440 5* 03 5* (+5) 10Fixed user link > 1731615560 505448 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145442&oldid=145439 5* 03 5* (+54) 10 > 1731615597 498104 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03 5* 10moved [[02Prime notary10]] to [[Prime Notary]]: Misspelled title > 1731615853 782050 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Prime Notary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145445&oldid=145443 5* 03 5* (+69) 10 > 1731616190 73327 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Prime Notary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145446&oldid=145445 5* 03 5* (+19) 10 > 1731616267 47057 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Prime Notary14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145447&oldid=145446 5* 03 5* (+3) 10Fixed user link... again... > 1731618968 527900 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Calc14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145448 5* 03Userwatt 5* (+1512) 10Created page with "= About = '''calc''' is a minimalistic esoteric programming language designed around the concept of calculations. The language consists of mathematical operations and three basic keywords. It is designed to be as simple as possible, with the primary goal of evaluating ca > 1731619021 476427 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Calc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145449&oldid=145448 5* 03Userwatt 5* (+103) 10/* Example Program */ > 1731619039 533007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Calc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145450&oldid=145449 5* 03Userwatt 5* (+0) 10/* Example Program */ > 1731620131 50367 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nythop14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145451&oldid=145344 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+97) 10Categories > 1731620204 846495 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07P14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145452&oldid=145378 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+131) 10Stub, categories > 1731620253 3844 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Sophomores From Tbilsi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145453&oldid=145382 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5) 10/* infinite loop */ Formatting > 1731620307 506457 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gravilang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145454&oldid=145388 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+98) 10Formatting, categories > 1731620453 100015 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Calc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145455&oldid=145450 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+157) 10Distinguish confusion, add categories > 1731620502 713230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CALC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145456&oldid=137964 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+31) 10Distinguish confusion < 1731620694 874719 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1731621693 187401 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EmiT14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145457&oldid=145285 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+116) 10Categories < 1731621985 930454 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-104-20.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything > 1731622117 438534 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145458&oldid=145387 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-32) 10/* Stuff to continue */ > 1731622131 154487 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145459&oldid=144876 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+32) 10/* Esolangs */ > 1731622201 793597 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pycone14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145460&oldid=144829 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* Truth-machine */ > 1731622316 114306 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145461&oldid=144907 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-189) 10/* MarkupL add-ons */ < 1731622368 881143 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1731622607 526145 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel/Errors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145462&oldid=144425 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* Removing an entry that is not on the list */ > 1731622774 454492 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel/Errors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145463&oldid=145462 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-29) 10/* Not adding a type to the variable with the {{cd|user}} command */ > 1731623055 28365 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145464&oldid=144234 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* Truth-machine */ > 1731623175 345602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145465&oldid=145464 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+36) 10/* A+B Problem */ > 1731623193 941127 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145466&oldid=145465 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-7) 10/* See also */ > 1731623216 803112 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145467&oldid=145458 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-10) 10/* Stuff to continue */ < 1731624141 976583 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-104-20.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1731624242 396364 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-104-20.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1731624502 468000 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1731627393 500589 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JAYSON14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145468 5* 03Userwatt 5* (+4269) 10Created page with "= About = '''JAYSON''' is a JSON-based programming language designed to look and feel like JSON itself. This language interprets JSON objects as programming instructions, enabling code to be written entirely in JSON format. The language interpreter is built in Node.js, > 1731627470 166931 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JAYSON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145469&oldid=145468 5* 03Userwatt 5* (-7) 10/* Features */ > 1731627704 821572 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Calc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145470&oldid=145455 5* 03Userwatt 5* (-87) 10/* About */ > 1731628031 538190 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (H-M)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145471&oldid=142849 5* 03Userwatt 5* (+139) 10Adding JAYSON > 1731628096 307479 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ZCX islptng/TCP114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145472 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+364) 10Created page with "This is an esolang with a register. ==Syntax== please allow this 'not c or python or basic' comment! nvar stands for a number or a variable. var var = reg /var reg = -reg + var {var while var>0 do } end > 1731628155 76142 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JAYSON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145473&oldid=145469 5* 03Userwatt 5* (+71) 10Categories > 1731628162 160729 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ZCX islptng/TCP114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145474&oldid=145472 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+65) 10 < 1731628988 608885 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1731629800 486245 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1731629860 664339 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1731632703 385153 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-104-20.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1731635080 638623 :m5zs7k!aquares@web10.mydevil.net QUIT :Quit: m5zs7k < 1731635104 963761 :m5zs7k!aquares@web10.mydevil.net JOIN #esolangs m5zs7k :m5zs7k < 1731635970 749697 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :A valid binary object identifier matches /^(([\x81-\xFF][\x80-\xFF]*)?[\x00-\x7F])+$/ < 1731636044 983568 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is \x80 the string terminator? < 1731636084 847261 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :No; it does not use a string terminator (it is always used in a context where the length is explicitly specified). < 1731636191 133116 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(However, it could be used in a context where \x80 is the string terminator; even though it can occur within the string it can still be detected unambiguously if it is valid.) < 1731637980 995596 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1731638592 47846 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1731641370 489618 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I don't know of any formats that do it like that though) < 1731642655 487820 :molson!~molson@172.103.21.94 JOIN #esolangs molson :realname > 1731646996 892981 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Sophomores From Tbilsi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145475&oldid=145453 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+27) 10/* infinite loop */ < 1731647149 961231 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname > 1731650859 511894 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Iddi0114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145476&oldid=145000 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+1387) 10Decorate the page, even though future edits would be harder > 1731651187 887117 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Iddi01 5* 10moved [[02Disord10]] to [[Uniode]]: Planning to turn this into a general page for [[unicode]]-related stuff > 1731653258 424937 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Uniode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145479&oldid=145477 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+815) 10T h i s. i s. n o w. a. p a g e. f o r. a n y t h i n g. [[unicode]] - r e l a t e d ! > 1731653732 414147 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unicode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145480&oldid=116665 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+64) 10Link to the new page > 1731656410 780649 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Iddi0114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145481 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+302) 10Created page with "I'm very sorry to tell you that I've been hacked by a deleted user on "Conway Life" forum. The Chinese users didn't recognize me here. ~~~~" > 1731657146 131303 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ZCX islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145482&oldid=145409 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+185) 10/* I got hacked and banned */ < 1731657601 470146 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1731657676 756955 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1731657698 351943 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] iddi01 > 1731657810 758442 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* 10New user account > 1731658038 10324 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145483&oldid=145438 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+234) 10/* Introductions */ < 1731658108 516007 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1731658422 65754 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145484 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+186) 10Created page with "hey wanna collab on an esolang? yo seem cool. also nice user name lol ~~~~" > 1731658480 55745 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere2(school)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145485 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+47) 10Created page with "yea im just a school alt for [[User:Yayimhere]]" > 1731658843 430931 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07~~14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145486&oldid=140133 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-1) 10/* tips */ > 1731659253 235586 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JAYSON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145487&oldid=145473 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-53) 10do you even know what
 is?
> 1731659282 722429 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JAYSON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145488&oldid=145487 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-54) 10/* Example of a Function */
> 1731659308 408912 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JAYSON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145489&oldid=145488 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-75) 10/* Example Program */
< 1731659309 782949 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Quit: Leaving
> 1731659438 707635 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ZCX islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145490&oldid=145482 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+211) 10/* I got hacked and banned */
> 1731659483 943199 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Prime Notary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145491&oldid=145447 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10/* Cat */
> 1731659665 565654 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07true14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145492&oldid=145436 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-10) 10/* Implementations */
< 1731659673 937872 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown
< 1731660863 180191 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1731662616 12141 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1731663863 636626 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam
< 1731665347 46075 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
> 1731668689 272373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:XKCD Random Number14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145493&oldid=145408 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+154) 10/* Three Star Programmer */ gotta start somewhere
> 1731668803 92620 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:IIII14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145494 5* 03IIII 5* (+128) 10My introduction
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> 1731674237 813630 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145500&oldid=128445 5* 03IIII 5* (+104) 10Added a command
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< 1731681980 356577 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey guys
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< 1731691459 957171 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have to ask. is the any esolang that depends on the *location* of the program?
< 1731691486 417921 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like where the memory location of the program itself is how it functions
< 1731691723 789562 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are lots of practical languages which *can* depend on that (although they usually don't)
< 1731691735 451859 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but esolangs normally try to hide that detail so that they can run deterministically
< 1731691746 396559 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :depending on it intentionally hasn't been explored much, I think
< 1731691767 627610 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bear in mind that operating systems normally load programs at a random address, nowadays, unless you tell them not to
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> 1731692162 788560 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/common.css14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145517&oldid=145516 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+14) 10
> 1731692213 224999 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/common.css14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145518&oldid=145517 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10
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> 1731694393 292159 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[077 bytes XD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145527&oldid=145526 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+238) 10/* Examples */
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< 1731695227 248281 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well i got this idea
< 1731695248 320472 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where it moves itself around and that changes behavour of the program itself
< 1731695448 72615 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :would that be interesting
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< 1731697223 776112 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523?
< 1731697241 410588 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(yes this is wWwwW)
< 1731697280 655267 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might be interesting but it would depend on the details
< 1731697294 270024 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes yes of
< 1731697298 999429 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*ofc
< 1731697326 438378 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im thinking of like specific interpreters or smth are mapped to different places
< 1731697327 374429 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
< 1731697426 856162 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im not sure on the details tbh
< 1731697442 777445 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :currently my biggest choise is: is it self contained?
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< 1731697559 706015 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think it would be fun to collab on it
< 1731698449 826552 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm a bit busy at the moment
< 1731698464 586665 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye yes
< 1731698479 60644 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if ye have tome(and want to) tell me plz lol
< 1731698680 229039 :Guest60!~Guest60@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anywey ive been wanting to turn lalala into a algebreaic system
> 1731698733 37790 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rooms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145528&oldid=125860 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+51) 10
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< 1731700677 493481 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how would i do it?
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< 1731716251 689401 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1731717846 308038 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in Magic: the Gathering, TIL that the rules for layering of p/t changing effects got changed so p/t adjustment from counters is no longer in a separate layer. I think they changed it because they wanted to print instants like Unleash Fury that double a creature's power, and wanted to allow it to double the effect of counters.
< 1731718162 958325 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also TIL that they printed a spider with "treetop" in its name, which seems wrong, "treetop" is supposed to mean elves that can only be blocked by flying creatures
< 1731719905 609704 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
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> 1731720299 992046 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07+!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145549&oldid=145548 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+326) 10
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> 1731721134 153526 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Segmentation Fault14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145552&oldid=131176 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+23) 10/* Interpreter */
> 1731721603 308027 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07+!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145553&oldid=145551 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */
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< 1731732869 841795 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok. on the esoalng idea i had. i think i have the data *sections* for it but im not sure its good tho(memory is an infinite array of bytes). but heres the list:
< 1731732926 549584 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* the program
< 1731732927 49690 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* the place where the interpreter starts reading
< 1731732927 550100 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* the place where the interpreter stops reading
< 1731732928 50067 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* the place the interpreter starts
< 1731732928 550300 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* and ends
> 1731734743 647942 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nopstacle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145562&oldid=138802 5* 03Ais523 5* (+16) 10/* See also */ +[[Turn Left]]
> 1731734774 916920 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turnfunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145563&oldid=131172 5* 03Ais523 5* (+16) 10/* See also */ +[[Turn Left]]
< 1731734840 473667 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ALSO i got an idea on how to make 0L(its very boring i think but like fuck it works). basically all it is you make the boundaries of the program and then the pointer bounces on them. thats it. i might have to add some more stuff before it works but like. lol
< 1731734965 919565 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how is that TC? you would at least need sloping walls, and I don't think that's enough on its own
< 1731735003 1161 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes yes. its just a concept. and yes slopes.
< 1731735003 186282 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you might potentially be able to end up in the Conedy computational class but that probably isn't TC
< 1731735179 334787 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think it'll have a counter assigned to each parralel line(boundary) and if the lower one is boucned it increments and if upper is it decrements.
< 1731735181 431362 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or smth
< 1731735210 130207 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if it hits two lines at the same time
< 1731735223 865257 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it checks for 0 and boucnes on left or right based on that
< 1731735310 31793 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that *may* be enough
< 1731735311 654869 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but idk
< 1731735465 360156 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, I see
< 1731735467 674044 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or like
< 1731735470 109546 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree that that might be enough
< 1731735488 859693 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :when it does a V it decrements and when a A(upside down v) it increments
< 1731735492 174852 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :smth like that
< 1731735534 896004 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could make it symmetrical like this: if you hit a corner on the left or right edge, it bounces depending on whether the top or bottom edge has been hit more often, and vice versa
< 1731735563 641102 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes!
< 1731735600 984562 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok so every corner and its parralel is a counter and then if its in a corner it hits the left or right edge like that
< 1731735634 749968 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you hit the lower parralel its a -1 while the upper is +1
< 1731735639 798852 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then its basically bf
< 1731735671 574918 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the biggest problem is like
< 1731735678 902797 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to make the program intepretable
< 1731735803 718420 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, specifying the program is difficult
< 1731735846 150636 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1731735851 281055 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would prop be an image
< 1731735872 82188 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(ascii art isnt powerfull enough i think and is hard to specify)
< 1731736066 651917 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would have to be a vector image (e.g. svg)
< 1731736076 130714 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea
< 1731736079 661463 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuck im stupid
< 1731736086 822429 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :raster formats like png don't have enough information to know whether you're hitting exactly on a corner
< 1731736088 246373 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea you should do that
< 1731736126 110682 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :should i just make like an article?
< 1731736220 831201 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can, although you might want to make sure you understand the details first
< 1731736232 352777 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. where does the program start executing
< 1731736241 734384 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes yes
< 1731736252 157968 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it would properally be the middle of the program
< 1731736254 668691 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or smth
< 1731736262 944509 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where does the DvD logo start? (lol)
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< 1731748225 862865 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: The space was unintentional. (It never is in my case, I know how to avoid it in irssi.)
< 1731748245 521353 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :???
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variant and enhacment of [[Brainfuck]], a famous [[esoteric programming language]] by [[Urban Mller]]. == Commands == Here are the commands: * '''>E''' ''Moves the cell cursor to the right.'' * '''W<''' ''Moves the cell cursor to t > 1731763424 133055 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145579&oldid=145366 5* 03Orange7Official 5* (+228) 10/* YOU KNEW I WAS THE ORANGE 7 FROM THE PROGRESSMOD95 WIKI???!?!?!?!?!? */ new section > 1731763440 268473 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145580&oldid=145579 5* 03Orange7Official 5* (+228) 10/* YOU KNEW I WAS THE ORANGE 7 FROM THE PROGRESSMOD95 WIKI???!?!?!?!?!? */ new section > 1731763447 623631 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145581&oldid=145580 5* 03Orange7Official 5* (-228) 10/* YOU KNEW I WAS THE ORANGE 7 FROM THE PROGRESSMOD95 WIKI???!?!?!?!?!? */ < 1731764035 751443 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1731767814 805051 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/Rules14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145585&oldid=145584 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+154) 10---- < 1731768293 353591 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1731768351 351724 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW > 1731768398 895930 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/Rules14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145586&oldid=145585 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+87) 10 > 1731768581 510484 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/Rules14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145587&oldid=145586 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+85) 10----) (Converter > 1731768677 124171 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/Rules14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145588&oldid=145587 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA 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:ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm checking them manually – one of them doesn't have reach naturally but can give itself reach < 1731808139 852214 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and at least two of them have effects that can remove an attacking flying creature, in ways other than reach < 1731808157 172905 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :most but not all the spiders that don't stop fliers at all are Universes Beyond cards < 1731808264 559851 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, and one of them creates tokens with reach, but doesn't have reach itself < 1731809177 742851 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then there's Hidden Spider which isn't a spider but becomes a spider with reach < 1731809427 983650 :mtm!~textual@47.202.75.129 JOIN #esolangs mtm :Textual User > 1731811939 620012 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/Rules14]]4 10 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1731814387 249435 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145652&oldid=145606 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (-37) 10 > 1731817145 214446 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145653&oldid=143383 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+51) 10 > 1731817307 671108 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145654&oldid=145653 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-2) 10/* Categories */ > 1731817751 694146 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145655&oldid=145628 5* 03Ais523 5* (-2) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/145628|145628]] by [[Special:Contributions/Ractangle|Ractangle]] ([[User talk:Ractangle|talk]]) the edit messes up the logical structure of the page, if that conflicts with your signature you should fix you signature < 1731820974 347806 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1731822456 246017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1731824127 966126 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1731831295 241475 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:F14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145656 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+141) 10Created page with "wait are the cells unbounded. if so its TC(i think) ~~~~" > 1731832192 795617 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OTS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145657&oldid=138900 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-57) 10/* memory */ > 1731834520 287444 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145658&oldid=145655 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+6) 10/* delete account */ i fixed it > 1731834760 42967 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145659&oldid=145658 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+174) 10/* Some more questions */ > 1731834854 595250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145660&oldid=145659 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+209) 10/* are people under 13 alowed here? */ new section > 1731835704 951028 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interpret Esolangs Online14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145661&oldid=145411 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-16) 10/* Introduction */ > 1731835877 663324 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02FGCITYTNMANCE10]] to [[TIB13BBWSM]] > 1731836011 263555 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(*U14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145664&oldid=133447 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+9985) 10/* examples */ > 1731836054 936651 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TIB13BBWSM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145665&oldid=145662 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-94) 10 > 1731836119 672598 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TIB13BBWSM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145666&oldid=145665 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+46) 10 > 1731836221 219851 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TIB13BBWSM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145667&oldid=145666 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+39) 10/* Syntax */ > 1731836240 346649 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TIB13BBWSM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145668&oldid=145667 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10/* Syntax */ > 1731836256 723678 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145669&oldid=145611 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+16) 10/* Stuff to continue */ < 1731836308 309263 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1731836338 89651 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TIB13BBWSM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145670&oldid=145668 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+51) 10/* Syntax */ > 1731837687 897304 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(*U14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145671&oldid=145664 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+260) 10/* examples */ < 1731837935 66893 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.206.114.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull > 1731839947 521391 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:&-/14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145672&oldid=141003 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+193) 10 > 1731840224 842283 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07&-/14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145673&oldid=141020 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+268) 10/* Commands */ > 1731841247 255164 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145674&oldid=145660 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-209) 10/* are people under 13 alowed here? */ < 1731841374 637999 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1731842154 655196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07&-/14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145675&oldid=145673 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+180) 10/* Implementation */ > 1731842167 499302 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07&-/14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145676&oldid=145675 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-2) 10/* Implementation */ > 1731842266 400346 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(*U14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145677&oldid=145671 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-260) 10 < 1731843619 438526 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1731843979 142897 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi < 1731844257 160950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1731845020 7709 :mtm!~textual@47.202.75.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1731845156 54609 :mtm!~textual@47.202.75.129 JOIN #esolangs mtm :Textual User > 1731845168 713621 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ZCX islptng14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145678&oldid=145647 5* 03Iddi01 5* (-2407) 10Moved the [[CA]]-related stuff here to ColorfulGalaxy's talk page, as you like : > 1731845173 483231 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145679&oldid=145602 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+19990) 10A lot more [[CA]] stuff in here, including those in islptng's talk page, which is moved here < 1731845431 628009 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.206.114.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1731845487 815849 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Black Turing-completeness proof14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145680&oldid=57902 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+193) 10/* "A good GUI interpreter for Black" */ > 1731845553 690283 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ULSAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145681&oldid=140506 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+3) 10/* */ rename section to make more sense < 1731845698 13346 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.206.114.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull > 1731845906 264995 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cellular automaton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145682&oldid=133470 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+131) 10/* See also */ > 1731846081 712453 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145683&oldid=145679 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+81) 10/* Some CA stuff */ < 1731846176 289186 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello APic < 1731846427 906458 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1731846572 263205 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1731847357 350254 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Manuever14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145684 5* 03Orange7Official 5* (+2132) 10Created page with "'''Manuever''' is a joking esoteric programming language created by [[User:Orange7Official]]. == Commands == You can use this commands: * '''A''': ''Prints three random alpha release names.'' * '''B''': ''Prints the name of a random animal/bug/reptile/bird star > 1731847792 34046 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* 10New user account > 1731848131 104310 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145685&oldid=145483 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+179) 10/* Introductions */ > 1731848154 929836 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145686&oldid=145685 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+1) 10/* Introductions */ > 1731848456 120762 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Categorial14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145687&oldid=126348 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+60) 10 < 1731848572 511000 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1731850662 185955 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Categorial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145688&oldid=145687 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-60) 10never do that again < 1731851163 394807 :logan__!~logan@pool-173-79-183-246.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname > 1731857774 160637 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07+!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145689&oldid=145643 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+37) 10 < 1731858076 10002 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1731860748 762182 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-181-60.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1731860914 966253 :logan__!~logan@pool-173-79-183-246.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1731862634 262045 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145690&oldid=145129 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+9) 10 > 1731862673 892936 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unhappy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145691&oldid=145010 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+3) 10 > 1731862694 741646 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07):14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145692&oldid=135924 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+35) 10 < 1731863078 228005 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-181-60.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1731863638 115340 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why dont we have smth kinda like this?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism_Unit/Academy < 1731863898 62833 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :We aren't that large. English WP needs an education programme because there are so many new users compared to existing users. < 1731863931 429019 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :kk < 1731864114 559017 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey im not sure myself how to program in this: https://esolangs.org/wiki/%E2%8A%A5 < 1731864115 48648 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(even tho i made it) < 1731864115 538780 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how? < 1731864233 38079 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't understand how you arrived at that question. < 1731864242 841763 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1731864288 837925 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't understand. What more could I say? < 1731864322 858499 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no like i mean. wutever < 1731864501 762491 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure what you mean. In American English, I might interpret that (at your age) to be a sign of giving up or walking away from something. But I don't understand what you're giving up on. < 1731864518 717760 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this question < 1731864591 998505 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay. I'm sorry I couldn't be more helpful. I'm mostly just very confused. < 1731864604 414476 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its ok < 1731864612 313776 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im more disappointed in myself < 1731864688 155380 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, what were your expectations? Also, why do you have to be disappointed over not meeting expectations? < 1731864858 801013 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well that i was able to explain smth without confusing ppl < 1731865170 269932 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh. Well, that seems like a very high expectation. You don't have to be so rough on yourself. < 1731865202 661562 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is? < 1731865211 357934 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Keep in mind that it might be more important to explain how the language works to a *computer*. That will give you an artifact which you can share with people. < 1731865218 862473 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1731865226 791711 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the joke came from < 1731865228 889008 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :once i asked < 1731865241 610215 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"couldnt an exiom just be a random string" igot yes < 1731865252 124463 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that esolang was born < 1731865264 1071 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if that is wrong then this is uncomputable < 1731865276 686833 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, explaining without being confusing is something that teachers do. It takes years of training in teaching along with years of training in the subject that they teach. < 1731865289 561489 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :What do you think an axiom is, though? < 1731865307 874946 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a reltion between *thing* in a system < 1731865328 388930 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :**tthings* < 1731865367 124630 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's the semantic view. There's also the syntactic view: an axiom is a string of symbols. < 1731865373 770619 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1731865381 186231 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(thats what this esolang assumes) > 1731865383 422642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145693&oldid=143083 5* 03Corbin 5* (+28) 10Category. < 1731865414 248575 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think this might be equal to or close to that esolang ais523 made < 1731865423 84270 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the one where the program does smth random every time < 1731865501 171465 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i have no proof whatsoever < 1731865503 136554 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1731865520 968754 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :łöł < 1731865524 667948 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs ::] < 1731866039 75067 :olsner!~olsner@c83-252-230-207.bredband.tele2.se JOIN #esolangs olsner :olsner? < 1731866081 821539 :olsner!~olsner@c83-252-230-207.bredband.tele2.se PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi again, I figure I should at least idle here :) < 1731866113 607174 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1731866114 584994 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what < 1731866119 423383 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but umm helllo < 1731866163 400689 :olsner!~olsner@c83-252-230-207.bredband.tele2.se PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? olsner < 1731866167 185970 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olsner seems to exist at least. He builds all his esolangs in diesel engines. His poetry's alphanumeric. < 1731866189 254118 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? wWwwW < 1731866191 113104 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1731866199 569558 :olsner!~olsner@c83-252-230-207.bredband.tele2.se PRIVMSG #esolangs :used to also say my desk points zimbabwards, which it still does < 1731866204 326233 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i will truly never understand you hackeso < 1731866255 83836 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol > 1731866390 281095 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07g14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145694 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+986) 10Created page with "'''g''' is an esolang based on how the creators keyboard works and yes ofc the creator is [[User:Yayimhere]] == semantics == so there is a base string(top line of program) and then theres rules. basically you have a single char and a number. on prime cycles this rule will be < 1731866405 807609 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolang: what is Éšœłãñg < 1731866411 714834 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gawd dammit < 1731866412 938824 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol > 1731866648 196990 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07,(*+)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145695&oldid=139574 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+135) 10 < 1731866663 959753 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mmm yes underload `([...])a(!^)*` < 1731866673 650815 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :very useless code > 1731866679 461010 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07,(*+)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145696&oldid=145695 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1) 10/* Underload */ > 1731866829 853336 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07,(*+)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145697&oldid=145696 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+116) 10/* Underload */ > 1731867084 213244 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145698&oldid=145693 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-28) 10/* examples */ < 1731867304 411327 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :olsner: does that mean you're facing zimbabwards when sitting at the desk, or the opposite? I'm not sure which direction a desk is considered to be "pointing" < 1731868050 872350 :olsner!~olsner@c83-252-230-207.bredband.tele2.se PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: as in I'm looking towards zimbabwe, I think < 1731868084 130322 :olsner!~olsner@c83-252-230-207.bredband.tele2.se PRIVMSG #esolangs :if I was driving the desk it would be going in that direction > 1731868658 611374 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145699&oldid=143246 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10 > 1731869044 392241 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145700 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+1423) 10Created page with "{| class="wikitable" ! Instructions !! Args !! Purpose |- | + || value || Adds a character or string to the top of the stack |- | - || none || Removes the bottom of the stack |- | > || text || Outputs text to the console |- | ~ || none || Returns the botto > 1731869060 742990 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145701&oldid=145700 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (-1423) 10Blanked the page > 1731869146 335422 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145702&oldid=145701 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+1443) 10 > 1731869245 19695 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145703&oldid=145702 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+110) 10 > 1731869256 865746 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145704&oldid=145703 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+2) 10 > 1731869268 615267 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145705&oldid=145704 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (-1) 10 > 1731869305 673311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145706&oldid=145705 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (-1) 10 < 1731869437 365977 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:5140:354b:5852:2e5d JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic > 1731869452 962635 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145707&oldid=145706 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+126) 10 > 1731869564 192571 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145708&oldid=145707 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+41) 10 > 1731869681 115606 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145709&oldid=145708 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+265) 10 > 1731869719 391780 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145710&oldid=145709 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-14) 10Examples and programs are the same thing > 1731869767 639070 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145711&oldid=145710 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+65) 10 > 1731869897 297896 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145712&oldid=145711 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+89) 10 < 1731870032 268133 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in that case my desk is facing Pariswise < 1731870047 663884 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, my desk is *pointing* Pariswise, but facing me in the opposite way < 1731870260 241387 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1731871743 978576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1731873506 819623 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-36-30.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything > 1731873633 976262 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145713&oldid=145461 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-69) 10 > 1731873667 359650 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145714&oldid=145713 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+58) 10 > 1731874278 997715 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stuley14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145715 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+307) 10Created page with "'''Stuley''' is an alternative universe version of the '''CSS''' language made by Alice Luxemborg, made as an add-on for [[MarkupL]]. ==Syntax== I can't really explain it properly so here is an example: {{Snakel|code={{H}}1:{{H}}A[bgcolor: 1731879725 75450 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145716&oldid=145714 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+176) 10/* MarkupL syntax */ > 1731880167 840782 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Seifenhalter 5* 10New user account < 1731881276 229316 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-36-30.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything < 1731881585 307166 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1731882771 203040 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145717&oldid=145716 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+95) 10/* Hello, world */ > 1731883017 263642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07+*-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145718&oldid=119576 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+21) 10/* See Also */ > 1731883519 785138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145719&oldid=144304 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+61) 10/* "Examples" */ > 1731883526 241992 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145720&oldid=145719 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-2) 10/* 7 bytes XD interpreter */ > 1731883548 365710 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145721&oldid=145720 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+4) 10/* 7 bytes XD interpreter */ > 1731883562 922470 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145722&oldid=145721 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-6) 10/* 7 bytes XD interpreter */ > 1731883588 851778 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145723&oldid=145722 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-3) 10/* 7 bytes XD interpreter */ < 1731884678 463906 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1731886846 642981 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Mattmath314 5* 10New user account > 1731886967 861334 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145724&oldid=145686 5* 03Mattmath314 5* (+92) 10/* Introductions */ > 1731887056 664897 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Length14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145725&oldid=121078 5* 03Mattmath314 5* (+2) 10/* Computational class */ < 1731887630 35298 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is Z-machine usable for general computing, or only for text adventure games? < 1731887697 125670 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1731887762 725756 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure if it's even usable for text adventures. < 1731888606 442834 :Everything!~Everythin@178-133-36-30.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1731889163 665186 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1731889189 997372 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1731889244 418250 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1731890055 770602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145726&oldid=145712 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+96) 10 > 1731890893 487491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145727&oldid=145726 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+95) 10/* Instructions */ > 1731891118 153933 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnnoyingScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145728&oldid=145727 5* 03AlmostGalactic 5* (+176) 10 < 1731891729 354030 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: It looks like there's a generic enough 16 bit computer in there. https://zspec.jaredreisinger.com/14-opcode-table < 1731892103 440650 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(As documentation goes this feels very sparse. You'd probably have to dig through an interpreter like frotz if you want to figure out the actual semantics. There's mention of dynamic memory and user stacks in V6 but no details where I looked.) < 1731892157 735312 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(So I have no clue how much memory you get to play around with.) < 1731893027 927435 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1731893223 630137 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1731893269 479814 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname > 1731894932 692847 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145729&oldid=145683 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+364) 10 < 1731895397 613098 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement > 1731901817 222542 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Rombito 5* 10New user account > 1731906576 67305 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145730&oldid=145724 5* 03Rombito 5* (+120) 10 > 1731906581 168142 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pararedox14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145731 5* 03Rombito 5* (+1820) 10Made pararedox > 1731906629 298233 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pararedox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145732&oldid=145731 5* 03Rombito 5* (+18) 10 > 1731906692 447765 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pararedox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145733&oldid=145732 5* 03Rombito 5* (+3) 10 > 1731910350 19168 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Trainhooking14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145734&oldid=138636 5* 03Gggfr 5* (+12) 10/* TC proof */ > 1731911201 210438 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/One per generation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145735&oldid=145499 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+255) 10/* To be reposted */ 12 10) (---- > 1731911356 734963 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/One per generation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145736&oldid=145735 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (-49) 10 < 1731911404 580111 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1731911836 774096 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tried to write a better documentation about Z-machine, but it is incomplete. < 1731912197 858918 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Only the memory below PURBOT is writable, although the first 64K is readable. Above the first 64K can only be packed text and program instructions; other data must be stored below 64K. < 1731912440 798780 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can read this text in the program by the use of DIROUT 3 though, so it can be used for purposes other than just being displayed > 1731912789 450096 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/One per generation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145737&oldid=145736 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+215) 10 > 1731913505 617789 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145738&oldid=145669 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+12) 10/* Stuff to continue */ > 1731913529 535638 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145739&oldid=145738 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1) 10/* Stuff to continue */ > 1731913747 775261 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries/One per generation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145740&oldid=145737 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries 5* (+245) 10 > 1731913757 984724 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145741&oldid=145717 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10/* Cat program */ > 1731913790 984379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145742&oldid=145741 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-12) 10Whoos < 1731914130 36565 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1731917684 415934 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145743&oldid=145466 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+81) 10/* Syntax */ < 1731920257 865316 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731920632 657565 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1731920644 965076 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1731920820 83907 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1731922488 463748 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1731925219 122173 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1731926618 98259 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1731928159 702417 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145744&oldid=145729 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+497) 10/* Some CA stuff */ > 1731928948 251740 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Win7HE 5* 10New user account > 1731929332 152260 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Commercial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145745&oldid=127666 5* 03ZachChecksOutEsolangs 5* (+90) 10 > 1731930020 955453 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A+B Problem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145746&oldid=144011 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+1607) 10/* Implementations */ Just realized that the +-only calculators in [[Execode]] and [[Exechars]] are actually this > 1731930162 192818 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145747&oldid=145730 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+69) 10deadshark > 1731930247 138945 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Win7HE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145748 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+67) 10example < 1731930925 797853 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731931188 655587 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1731933618 982966 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadshark14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145749 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+1404) 10my deadfish variant > 1731933666 170533 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadshark14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145750&oldid=145749 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+1) 10hm < 1731933699 348001 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW > 1731933920 500666 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Win7HE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145751&oldid=145748 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+13) 10fun > 1731934207 325952 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145752&oldid=144207 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+47) 10/* Variants of deadfish */ > 1731934225 728729 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145753&oldid=145752 5* 03Win7HE 5* (-1) 10/* Variants of deadfish */ > 1731934252 321226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145754&oldid=145753 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+1) 10/* Variants of deadfish */ > 1731934275 890048 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadshark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145755&oldid=145750 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-5) 10/* Commands */ > 1731934294 850947 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadshark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145756&oldid=145755 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10 < 1731934323 226988 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1731934465 489947 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadshark14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145757&oldid=145756 5* 03Win7HE 5* (-1) 10/* Example Program */ > 1731934588 74177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145758&oldid=145698 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+55) 10/* syntax */ > 1731934641 86210 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadshark14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145759&oldid=145757 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+38) 10/* Commands */ > 1731934884 406574 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadshark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145760&oldid=145759 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+90) 10/* External Links */ > 1731935101 520214 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145761&oldid=145504 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+16) 10/* D */ < 1731935207 352193 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1731935263 82395 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi < 1731935745 464750 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1731937363 200427 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths < 1731938272 542300 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1731938367 382563 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1731938806 155287 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1731940698 82933 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1731941082 139973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nythop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145762&oldid=145451 5* 03Luxedo 5* (+0) 10Fix Nyhtop typos to Nythop > 1731941183 370733 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145763&oldid=144350 5* 03Iddi01 5* (-8) 10/* Related languages */ I don't know how many potential [[BF joust]] players were lost due to this unacceptable detail (making the less popular more visible) > 1731942003 700145 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145764&oldid=145742 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+317) 10/* Cat program */ > 1731942020 198076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145765&oldid=145761 5* 03Rombito 5* (+16) 10 > 1731942020 641878 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145766&oldid=145764 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+17) 10/* Cat program */ < 1731942053 34285 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1731943133 348507 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wWwwW < 1731943219 933174 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im bored. if anybody saw my AIS523 discussion about 0L and i need help with some details! > 1731943327 227098 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Halforth14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145767 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+1847) 10Created page with "'''Halforth''' - is an esolang based on Forth by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] in which every insyruction takes half of a byte (a single hexadecimal digit) ==Description== Language works on a stack as well as a tape to store data, which could contain both negative a > 1731943344 46451 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ChuckEsoteric0814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145768&oldid=144741 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+14) 10/* 2024 */ > 1731943641 394154 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Halforth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145769&oldid=145767 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+0) 10 > 1731943718 945194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Halforth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145770&oldid=145769 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+4) 10 < 1731944931 349419 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1731945127 65869 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1731947990 381305 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] PCWWWWW < 1731948019 450639 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello < 1731948592 172692 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i need smth to read any interesting but not too long langs to read about? < 1731948620 175876 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and no int-e this is not another chance to say that i need to improove my esolangs im always trying lol) < 1731948669 831220 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: what is Éšœłãñg > 1731948689 319037 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCWWWWW: Éšœłãñg is an esoteric programming language designed around the way a keyboard works. It uses a base string and rules to manipulate characters. The rules are based on cycles (prime or odd) and dictate how characters are replaced. For example, prime cycles replace a character with the base string repeated a certain number of times, while odd... > 1731948689 319590 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cycles replace it with the nth diacritic. < 1731948707 855621 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :YOOO < 1731948718 565644 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1731948731 105102 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats epic < 1731948733 371182 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :good job < 1731948735 644436 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1731948788 11612 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolang: what changes would need to happen to https://esolangs.org/wiki/OFFICIAL Turing complete < 1731948793 130423 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :frick < 1731948794 305359 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops < 1731948805 787273 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: what changes would need to happen to https://esolangs.org/wiki/OFFICIAL Turing complete < 1731948822 261136 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(esolangs is cool lol) > 1731948843 142678 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCWWWWW: The provided link is a redirect to the Turing-complete page. Therefore, no changes are needed. The page already defines what Turing-completeness is and provides examples of languages that are Turing-complete. < 1731948880 630400 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hahahaaaaaaaaa frick thats funny < 1731948937 940180 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway < 1731948939 231474 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol > 1731949445 785530 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fiifinite14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145771 5* 03Xff 5* (+666) 10Created page with "'''Fiifinite''' is a [[FSA]] but the only change is a state can split the pointer into to! now this may seem boring but this is equal to creating a copy program making in an infinite state machine. but really its just a infinite pointer finite state machine(IPFSM) == synta > 1731949458 704426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fiifinite14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145772&oldid=145771 5* 03Xff 5* (+1) 10/* examples */ > 1731949494 685750 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fiifinite14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145773&oldid=145772 5* 03Xff 5* (+111) 10/* syntax and semantics */ > 1731949506 892804 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fiifinite14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145774&oldid=145773 5* 03Xff 5* (+2) 10/* examples */ < 1731949521 384842 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :very good esolang < 1731949557 940658 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1731949568 764769 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: is Fiifinite TC? < 1731949582 687163 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(yes i do like playing around with esolangs its fun lol) > 1731949597 173436 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCWWWWW: Finite Groups is a functional language that can be used to implement finite state machines. It's not a Turing Machine, but it can be used to simulate the behavior of a Turing Machine. Therefore, Finite Groups is not a Turing Machine. > 1731949606 222514 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fiifinite14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145775&oldid=145774 5* 03Xff 5* (+0) 10 < 1731949644 984846 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mmm yes finite groups whatever the frick that is < 1731949760 745370 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway < 1731949824 557864 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1731950258 188379 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1731951472 92936 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCWWWWW: The bot doesn't actually know how to determine whether something is TC. It also doesn't know the abbreviation "TC". < 1731951482 198364 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: Is the Brainfuck programming language Turing-complete? > 1731951525 652677 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: No, Brainfuck is not Turing-complete. The article states that Brainfuck is a 1D language, while Turing-complete languages are brainfuck derivatives. This means Brainfuck is a subset of Turing-complete languages, but not a Turing-complete language itself. < 1731951563 590481 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCWWWWW: See, it doesn't know anything and is completely wrong about most facts. < 1731951569 478517 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol nice < 1731951585 61330 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what *is* esolangs anyway? < 1731951589 598422 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: Is the Cammy programming language Turing-complete? < 1731951604 584441 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it cant be chatgpt < 1731951606 382577 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1731951616 351214 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's an IRC bot. They're endangered now, but they used to be common all throughout this region. < 1731951619 183661 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: you dont need to demonstrate < 1731951625 992333 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :more of this < 1731951640 572837 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but what is an IRC bot. a mediocre chatbot??? < 1731951649 943269 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, it's not ChatGPT. I gather that it's a local model, possibly a flavor of LLaMA. < 1731951683 908252 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have no idea what that means but i accept it as an answer whatsoever < 1731951696 663668 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also can you detect that im tired as frick?just wonderin < 1731951712 383687 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :All chatbots are mediocre at best. It's something we discovered in the 1960s: if you give somebody a program that *appears* to speak a natural language, then often they'll be fooled into thinking that the program is a person. < 1731951733 751381 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, I gather that you're a student, and students are defined by overwork and exhaustion. < 1731951769 823032 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no i meant like tired as physically i want to sleep. like yea all the time im exhuasted yes yes < 1731951797 485087 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also by that definition family doctors are students even when out of medical school < 1731951845 756253 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Doctors do have a "residency" period after they're graduated; they're still students at that point, because they have to learn how a working hospital operates. < 1731951861 935256 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes yes. but after that > 1731951876 90868 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Yes, Cammy is Turing-complete. The article states that Cammy is Turing-complete because it can represent arbitrary functions using its primitive arrows and templates. This makes it capable of simulating any Turing machine. < 1731951878 574051 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(i know of residency ive watched some doctor stuff) < 1731951914 977694 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And that's two failures for esolangs. It turns out that RAG is not perfect and LLMs cannot reason. < 1731951932 132779 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nothing is perfect < 1731951965 801791 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :other than physics(not the formulas(formulea?) but the actual system itself) < 1731951967 876755 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Perfect hashing is perfect. Binary trees on powers of two are perfect. < 1731951983 787596 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not that kind of perfect < 1731951998 952758 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nothing *real* is perfect(real defined as phtsically buildable) < 1731952011 118221 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even if a RAG pipeline puts all of the correct snippets in front of the LLM, there's no intrinsic reason that an LLM ought to be able to reason about those snippets. LLMs are fundamentally statistical and syntactic. < 1731952013 377213 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and like isnt just math) < 1731952033 766282 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :still deterministic tho < 1731952093 959836 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also just wonderin has anybody thought of this before(i would be very suprised if not): https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fiifinite < 1731952097 727021 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Statistical systems are generally non-deterministic. esolangs happens to be configured to be deterministic, but an LLM is most effective when doing non-deterministic searches for good options. < 1731952140 845371 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCWWWWW: Sounds like NFAs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondeterministic_finite_automaton < 1731952176 452542 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(computers cant be non deterministic and i cant remember why. not truly atleast) < 1731952220 739050 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: i dont rlly see tha relation unless im looking at the diagram. they are not the same tho. i belive atleast < 1731952310 234917 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The physics underneath computers is highly non-deterministic and it takes a lot of effort to create a stable signal when building physical machines. Von Neumann had to prove a "threshold theorem" stating that classical computers were possible to build; his theorem shows that if a machine can amplify its internal signals over some threshold, then it can always distinguish between internal states. > 1731952314 374077 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fiifinite14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145776&oldid=145775 5* 03Xff 5* (+51) 10/* syntax and semantics */ < 1731952325 675674 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :We needed a similar threshold theorem to prove that quantum computers were possible! < 1731952331 428289 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1731952334 602767 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im stupid < 1731952337 389091 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1731952345 848803 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but who *programs* that in? < 1731952362 327142 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like < 1731952369 418011 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea on the physics level they can be < 1731952376 63628 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCWWWWW: Would you believe that every NFA has an equivalent DFA? The DFA might need many more states to represent the NFA's non-determinism, but it's always possible. < 1731952385 985352 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but programming wise no. < 1731952390 534488 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: oh yea < 1731952395 642044 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like < 1731952397 490624 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1731952406 792791 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont know why < 1731952413 97344 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im to stupid to say that < 1731952416 787905 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just say yea like < 1731952425 279382 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Programming-wise, you'd better know about cosmic rays; random bitflips are quite possible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening < 1731952475 498436 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :are they rlly random tho? its just *complicated* right? like you nearly cant see a difference but like still < 1731952480 531438 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just some physics < 1731952483 26791 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no < 1731952502 783349 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(why are we remaking a whole god damn vsause video???) < 1731952519 710023 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway < 1731952524 582298 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the reason i find < 1731952568 23275 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fiifinite to be different from NSA is that even though like you can think of it as running both possibiltys when actually coputing the program it will always take one of two choices < 1731952579 24111 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :while here it will always choose both parrelely < 1731952579 284770 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ooh, that's one of my favorite parts of physics! It's a theorem of quantum mechanics that *no*, the world isn't made up of deterministic tiny particles whose inner workings are following mysterious rules; sometimes, particles are forced to make choices. < 1731952596 623192 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1731952636 374024 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :agian HOW DO I DO THIS MAN. i always make a long discussion cuz i disagree with the whole feild of math most of the time just to find out im stupid < 1731952649 525157 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(why am i saying again lol) < 1731952656 950374 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and why am i rambeling) < 1731952659 36991 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's not a real difference. An NFA can be run by checking each possibility on its own, or by checking all possibilities in parallel. That's not a property of languages, but a property of implementations. < 1731952715 913066 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true...wait...waaaait. but....waaait. but the resulting history would be different so one would return two or more histrories but the other one only a single < 1731952718 534656 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont see < 1731952723 335499 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how they still are the same < 1731952728 539302 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Histories are an implementation detail. They're not part of the language. < 1731952744 589499 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tbut still it would be running multiple states in one < 1731952749 635029 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a single in the other < 1731952754 199925 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont see the like < 1731952757 68466 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :relation at all < 1731952770 333220 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You might have to *implement* them in order to understand the implementation details. < 1731953266 167715 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1731953269 222352 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also < 1731953272 271155 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in < 1731953307 455066 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fiifinite(i will be saying ff from now on) you could implement it with the detial of each state is labeled by which point is running it < 1731953309 619057 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you do so < 1731953315 343288 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it acts like creating states < 1731953318 908348 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which < 1731953323 563827 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can you do that for an NSA? < 1731953423 689347 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like for example < 1731953428 616461 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no < 1731953435 463263 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :forget the "like for example" < 1731953449 276936 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not really coming together for me. I'm guessing that the [] brackets have a special meaning and that there's some sort of rewriting structure? < 1731953486 432295 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :??? < 1731953492 990847 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Otherwise it's really differnet from an NFA. `x *-> y *-> z` is equivalent to two lines, `x -> y` and `x -> z`. < 1731953509 63355 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :[] just prints the state when ran < 1731953522 702037 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :empty state halts < 1731953526 298337 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also < 1731953528 197644 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then < 1731953537 851077 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no lol < 1731953539 964480 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but like < 1731953545 765334 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i still dont see it < 1731953550 576274 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :NFA? < 1731953586 883180 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Non-deterministic Finite Automaton. What you're calling a Non-deterministic State Automaton. Same concept. < 1731953603 984131 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh kk < 1731953605 427878 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait < 1731953609 886033 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :rlly different????? < 1731953616 302124 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hypocrit < 1731953618 74899 :PCWWWWW!~PCWWWWW@37.96.120.60 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1731953700 585815 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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< 1731980415 738353 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/madvise.2.html says that madvise rounds the length up to full pages, even for MADV_DONTNEED, and that this may mean rounding up to huge pagesize if the area is backed by hugepages. does that apply to transparent hugepages, and how the heck are you supposed to handle that? 
< 1731980596 666432 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :found a relevant page: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202089
< 1731980610 738045 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm no
< 1731980613 721064 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that isn't relevant
< 1731980645 368881 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or... I'm not sure
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< 1731980774 487148 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm confused about what the semantics is supposed to be
< 1731982047 830915 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the kernel demotes huge pages to normal pages in that case. Note also: "MADV_DONTNEED cannot be applied to locked pages, Huge TLB pages, or VM_PFNMAP pages." -- but that shouldn't apply to the *transparent* huge pages support.
< 1731982131 590727 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm quite confident that rounding up to a full huge table would've broken a lot of software when THP was introduced, and we'd have heard about that.
< 1731982144 602454 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/table/page/
< 1731982242 868634 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Is that quote up-to-date? Hmm.)
< 1731982584 239225 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how are you supposed to remove whole huge pages if MADV_DONTNEED can't apply to them?
< 1731982912 574926 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you always have munmap
< 1731982972 415328 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd also like to know how to query for debugging where the kernel has mapped hugepages in areas with transparent hugepages enabled. mincore can tell which pages are in memory, which could help tell me how MADV_DONTNEED worked.
< 1731983794 620338 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a procfile that lists how many hugepages a process is using
< 1731984964 345405 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that the man page does a disservice by saying that the semantics are changed by MADV_DONTNEED and that the other advices are only for performance. The user shouldn't have to change how they access the advice'd page.
< 1731985093 199104 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If one really *does* want the semantics to change, it looks like the Linux-specific MADV_FREE has that behavior. I'm not gonna guess at why somebody would want that without an munmap().
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< 1731985134 53297 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: MADV_FREE is useful if you have an application that maps the entire address space in advance, and does mallocs simply by returning an unused address without telling the kernle
< 1731985149 664740 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is useful to save on system calls
< 1731985174 140746 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Makes sense for sure.
< 1731985174 824656 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's not a very popular style of programming
< 1731985277 992411 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is MADV_DONTNEED useful for maybe databases or game servers where data access patterns aren't sequential or random, but need to be explicitly scheduled? I'd guess that MADV_WILLNEED would be used in tandem.
< 1731985316 936322 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe worth contrasting Linux man with POSIX man: https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/posix_madvise.3.html "shall not affect the semantics of access to memory"
< 1731985700 778925 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: "since glibc 2.6, POSIX_MADV_DONTNEED is treated as a no-op, because the corresponding madvise(2) value, MADV_DONTNEED, has destructive semantics."
< 1731985742 339658 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Ugh. Well, at least they documented it. Thanks.
< 1731985791 935365 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a question how useful the POSIX version is. I guess it'll still be allowed to do something if you mmap a file read-only
< 1731986013 213540 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or you can encourage the kernel to swap the page out if there's memory pressure
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< 1731986157 782047 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm apparently Go switched from MADV_DONTNEED to MADV_FREE and back again. https://github.com/golang/go/commit/05e6d28849293266028c0bc9e9b0f8d0da38a2e2
< 1731986229 307886 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"jemalloc plays a game where they call MADV_FREE and then 10s later they call MADV_DONTNEED"
< 1731986235 999330 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/issues/51086
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< 1731986266 853902 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no clue why the situation sounds messy.
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< 1731986358 901082 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Found LWN: https://lwn.net/Articles/591214/
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< 1731986610 27119 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: thanks
< 1731986645 711867 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wanted to see if RPython has an explanation. They have a comment here: https://github.com/pypy/pypy/blob/main/rpython/rlib/rmmap.py#L860 There are four different madvise_free() implementations; this one for Linux does MADV_FREE followed by MADV_DONTNEED.
< 1731986703 748926 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Er, if MADV_FREE fails then they try again with MADV_DONTNEED. This is how they free low-level arenas for the JIT and GC.
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< 1731986842 354973 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, "so users could the page without any corruption". They accidentally a verb.
< 1731986862 879885 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I get it. If I accidentally the page, then no corruption please.
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> 1732002437 928397 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stuley14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145820&oldid=145797 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-5) 10/* Syntax */
> 1732002573 492008 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MarkupL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145821&oldid=145783 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-13) 10/* Cat program */
> 1732002723 294929 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stuley14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145822&oldid=145820 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+291) 10
> 1732002742 452614 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stuley14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145823&oldid=145822 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+3) 10
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> 1732003505 532926 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145827&oldid=145825 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1) 10/* Snakel */
> 1732003520 330869 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145828&oldid=145827 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1) 10/* Snakel */
> 1732003540 139413 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Comment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145829&oldid=145828 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+4) 10/* Snakel */
> 1732003562 326842 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145830&oldid=145792 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+8) 10/* Syntax */
> 1732003690 107532 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snakel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145831&oldid=145830 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+127) 10
> 1732003761 23384 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Matrioshka language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145832&oldid=145826 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10
> 1732003793 744446 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ight14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145833&oldid=145801 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+6) 10
> 1732003954 256135 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ight14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145834&oldid=145833 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+396) 10
> 1732003964 820270 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ight14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145835&oldid=145834 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+168) 10
> 1732003981 550580 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ight14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145836&oldid=145835 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+1) 10
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> 1732010632 667867 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145837 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+11933) 10I'm getting crazy with [[uniode]]
> 1732011032 185063 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Uniode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145838&oldid=145479 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+679) 10/*  */ 
< 1732011845 522207 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if there's a system call interface that lets a process that's mostly single-threaded conspire with the operating system to lie to programs like top to pretend that it's busy on all processor cores, for when the customer or PR department or whatever heard that you can make any program run 24 times as fast by using multithreading and demands that you use it, but the task isn't actually reasonably 
< 1732011851 535633 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :paralellizable. This would be especially for hyperthreading where starting dummy threads could slow down the main thread even if they don't do any memory access.
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< 1732014598 178546 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust clock >>>+<-<-(>(-)*128<+[<(-)*111(>)*9(+)*111(+.)*33(<)*9(-)*111(>)*10(+)*111(+.)*33(<)*10(---+)*-1]-)*8>+[-((-)*256<+[<(---+)*-1]->)*8(-)*96431<(+)*65(>)*9(>[(+)*111(+.)*32>])*19](+)*21<(-)*33(>)*11([(-)*106[-.][--+[--+]]>]>)*21
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> 1732014888 577768 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust champions14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145839&oldid=144978 5* 03Iddi01 5* (+1018) 10/* 2024 */ wanted to wait until 2025, but i couldn't resist
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< 1732018887 796250 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: After looking at Core War which have multiple hills with different settings, i have an idea of a similar thing for BF joust:
< 1732018888 297032 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Tiny hill: programs must have size lower than 100 excluding comments
< 1732018888 821589 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nano hill: programs must have size lower than 250, b u t  abbreviations are treated as comments, so (+)*5 will mean + and so on.
< 1732018889 297761 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Experimental hill: To allow for more complex strategies, tape size is 15-50 instead of 10-30, cells wrap at 512 instead of 256, and timeout is 250000 cycles.
< 1732018889 796439 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :2D hill: The tape becomes a grid with the two flags at opposite corners. < and ^ move towards your flag and > and v move towards the opponent's. Grid size is 5x5 to 15x15, including non-square ones
< 1732018890 312919 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fork hill: Add a Y instruction that works the same as in Brainfork except both threads share the same tape, Y takes one cycle and the threads execute sequentially with the parent thread going first, each taking one cycle.
< 1732018890 820690 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :These hills would ideally also have 47 slots, but the 2D hill could have fewer slots since each two programs plays 242 matches!
< 1732018891 297183 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :See the Core War sites https://sal.discontinuity.info/index.php and http://www.koth.org/koth.html for reference.
< 1732019185 73513 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot echo test
< 1732019185 371408 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01: test
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< 1732019232 907291 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^echo perlbot echo ^echo
< 1732019232 947565 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot echo ^echo perlbot echo ^echo
< 1732019233 201552 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: ^echo perlbot echo ^echo
< 1732019264 522473 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^echo: test
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< 1732020526 472940 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot call test
< 1732020527 182487 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01: []
< 1732020569 430027 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot call tеst
< 1732020569 689121 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [_test] [test] [tickit] [.tc] [.tg] [.tj] [.tk] [tk] [tx] [.tz]
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< 1732021151 644688 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^def echo_once bf ,[.,]
< 1732021151 685457 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Defined.
< 1732021184 892088 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^echo_once ^echo test
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< 1732021194 244861 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^echo_once `echo test
< 1732021194 286275 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :`echo test
< 1732021196 908809 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :test
< 1732021219 542205 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^echo_once `echo perlbot echo test
< 1732021219 583570 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :`echo perlbot echo test
< 1732021220 851454 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot echo test
< 1732021221 99757 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :HackEso: test
< 1732021242 812736 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`echo ^echo test
< 1732021244 131406 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​^echo test
< 1732021410 447954 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:8d60:d5b0:dacd:a37a:e880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`echo perlbot echo fungot
< 1732021410 708218 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01: i've used guile ( for snd) and gambit ( with the new " agile"
< 1732021411 587623 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot echo fungot
< 1732021411 789126 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :HackEso: fungot
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> 1732022909 548886 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07~~14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145840&oldid=145486 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+65) 10/* syntax */
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> 1732026424 659170 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OTS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145841&oldid=145657 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+2) 10/* memory */
> 1732027001 508290 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OTS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145842&oldid=145841 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+213) 10/* commands */
> 1732028000 962662 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Win7HE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145843&oldid=145751 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+8) 10
< 1732028247 711747 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1732028349 585338 :win7he!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmmmm
< 1732028377 136295 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello? why are you "hmm"ing
< 1732028394 762632 :win7he!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt PRIVMSG #esolangs :testing
< 1732028411 95286 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :testing what
< 1732028428 201711 :win7he!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea nothing
< 1732028436 56603 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1732028443 835168 :win7he!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-11-19.html
< 1732028463 656396 :win7he!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt PRIVMSG #esolangs :heres the logs for today
< 1732028756 668510 :win7he!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt PRIVMSG #esolangs :testing
> 1732029015 968389 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Eso14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145844 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+28) 10Created page with "i think you mean [[Esolang]]"
< 1732029040 747566 :win7he!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1732029047 243340 :win7he!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt PRIVMSG #esolangs :that happpens
< 1732029600 350264 :win7he31!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] win7he
< 1732029603 540886 :win7he31!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt PRIVMSG #esolangs :umm
< 1732029615 503465 :win7he31!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1732029638 734567 :win7he25!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is a nice number
< 1732029645 71132 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1732029651 766202 :m5zs7k!aquares@web10.mydevil.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1732029667 999195 :win7he25!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea i dissconnected
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< 1732029793 958856 :win7he25!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt PRIVMSG #esolangs :e
< 1732029829 349075 :win7he!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1732029839 626738 :win7he25!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt PRIVMSG #esolangs :thank god
< 1732029877 28366 :win7he25!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt NICK :win7he
< 1732029892 725972 :win7he!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok now im me
< 1732030066 911586 :win7he!~win7he@m193-216-25-115.cust.tele2.lt PRIVMSG #esolangs :Etic poramig lage
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> 1732032026 843081 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DevThatCodes 5*  10New user account
< 1732032106 852706 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey korvo umm i want to disagree with you on that NSA FF discussion we had yester day
> 1732032498 90309 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145845&oldid=145747 5* 03DevThatCodes 5* (+91) 10/* Introductions */
< 1732032531 974581 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
> 1732032581 248676 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145846&oldid=145845 5* 03DevThatCodes 5* (+99) 10/* Introductions */
> 1732032747 193877 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zudjn14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145847 5* 03DevThatCodes 5* (+73) 10Created page with "Zudjn is a small Esolang that i have not made yet, but i am working on it"
> 1732033460 962740 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zudjn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145848&oldid=145847 5* 03DevThatCodes 5* (+64) 10
> 1732033803 974242 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Malbolger 5*  10New user account
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< 1732036496 227057 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: What's up?
< 1732036507 576272 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well im god what about you
< 1732036510 913450 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*good
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< 1732036562 36276 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just woke up and watered the plants.
< 1732036680 284727 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn
< 1732036681 284347 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wai
< 1732036684 661358 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but
< 1732036686 807323 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea
< 1732037163 717422 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: So, what were your thoughts?
< 1732037194 31877 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well
< 1732037199 752427 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i had that pointer yesterday
< 1732037245 793634 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :first of all in the "run each possible program at the same time" has more states running then "actually do it randomly each time" has only one running
< 1732037246 772591 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also
< 1732037308 79156 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in FF if you say "i will label each state by what pointer is running it" you are actually creating states
< 1732037325 926038 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the difference is the both pointers run in the same program
< 1732037378 176773 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I learned the old ways, so I only know this in terms of Mealy and Moore machines, which I constantly mix up. Nonetheless, I don't see how states are being created here.
< 1732037391 870844 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmmm
< 1732037399 756304 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont know how to explain it otherwise
< 1732037405 329028 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok heres another question
< 1732037408 467829 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :FSMs don't have pointers. They have states and inputs, along with a transition function that maps a (state, input) pair to the next state.
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< 1732037438 603344 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how i understand it theres a pointer that trantisions and points to current state
< 1732037450 720209 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Evaluating an NFA can be done by simulating multiple pointers on top of its DFA, *or* by expanding the NFA to a DFA with exponentially-many states; they're two different equivalent techniques.
< 1732037451 443719 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats how FF works anyway
< 1732037486 684348 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :A pointer is an implementation detail. A pointer to a state is an implementation of a state.
< 1732037503 297440 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1732037515 618550 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but in FF you have to implement it that way otherwise it would be cheating
< 1732037565 723147 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's pro-DRM thinking.
< 1732037570 694318 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :?
< 1732037588 523498 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's the same sort of thinking that leads to people trying to control what you can run on your computer.
< 1732037597 342783 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1732037611 443104 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well agian you dont have to but thats the way i specify it
< 1732037707 125301 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok we can agree that we disagree
< 1732037719 108692 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nah, I don't really go for that whole Discord-coded playground approach with imaginary rules and geass-like restrictions that are magically cast on people by saying the special words.
< 1732037757 908193 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you think that it's cheating to implement an optimized Brainfuck interpreter? A Malbolge decryptor? A C compiler which defines some of the undefined behaviors?
< 1732037772 958330 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1732037981 153092 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: Sorry, that was mean of me. I'm glad that you're discovering important concepts like FSMs, even if I'm frustrated that you aren't engaging yourself with them.
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< 1732046515 288397 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do not think that it is cheating to implement a optimized brainfuck interpreter, at least in general. (This is not a requirement to implement a optimized brainfuck interpreter, though.)
< 1732047018 969857 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. I was too rhetorical. I didn't have a good reaction to "you have to implement it that way otherwise it would be cheating". When it comes from a teenager, it's cute and naive, but in the USA it usually comes from preachers and legislators.
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< 1732053193 328030 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a bijective base 2 Morse code? It seem to me that it can be done, with zero meaning a space between words, 1 for E, 2 for T, etc.
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 Do you know how to repeat the action of hitting the big car by the family? Is the ability to write about the lack of desire in everyo
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> 1732102841 180752 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Empty Program14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145899 5* 03None1 5* (+38) 10Created page with "This is the same as [[NOP]], isn't it."
> 1732102972 979390 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Empty Program14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145900&oldid=145899 5* 03None1 5* (+235) 10
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< 1732104148 830713 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello'
< 1732104162 926063 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(yes this is wWwwW wutever)'
< 1732104314 314005 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1732104404 79728 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wadda thibnj of tis?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/%C3%89%C5%A1%C5%93%C5%82%C3%A3%C3%B1g
< 1732104546 667161 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's unclear what the program does, or what the program even is
< 1732104567 450526 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :??'
< 1732104572 918528 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. are the rules always the same or are they specified by the program? and if they're specified by the program, how?
< 1732104589 240243 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im very confused
< 1732104599 501185 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also i forgot to specify syntax lol)'
< 1732104645 355685 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, yes, that might be the confusion – it isn't clear from the article what influence the program has on the execution of the language, explaining the syntax might help with that
< 1732104662 439231 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1732104672 27453 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well
< 1732104686 761138 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the program defines what chars have computation applied
< 1732104730 539111 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does that make sense?
< 1732104802 510971 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesn't have enough detail
< 1732104824 481693 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea it sint syntax but like
< 1732104827 536918 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1732104857 906836 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :x:y creates a rule where x is the char and y is the number. then on those cycles that are specified x changes based on that
< 1732105026 666705 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, I think I understand now, although it isn't explained that well
< 1732105048 970417 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :YEA  im bad at that''
< 1732105053 741339 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :srry for caps
< 1732105065 13840 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is sub-TC because it's a sort of neighbour-independent substitution system, which can't usefully store arbitrary amounts of data (they can expand memory infinitely but not make use of that when reading it)
< 1732105103 899077 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :? it can make use of what its readin with the prime number rule i think
< 1732105105 474507 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right?
< 1732105149 809485 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz it reads the data and stores that data in itself
< 1732105278 371129 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the problem is you're making lots of copies of the base string, but those can't interact with each other in any awy
< 1732105305 483755 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OH yea
< 1732105307 778158 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well'
< 1732105311 646568 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually theres a change
< 1732105319 523845 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if its not a single char but  string
< 1732105329 572005 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz then it isnt independent anymore
< 1732105346 928677 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, that seems like an easy fix
< 1732105370 178721 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could have both on same page
< 1732105376 730551 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like on 2C
> 1732105386 866495 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145901&oldid=145812 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-18) 10/* A */
< 1732105492 98642 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well when i get home ill do that'
< 1732105504 284616 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you think that becomes TC?
< 1732105514 172860 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and no you cant just say that its just /// now)
< 1732105525 915613 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure, but if it does it's probably in a boring way that avoids most of the functionality of the language
< 1732105555 816495 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1732105560 32834 :Guest65!~Guest55@2.109.102.68 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but thats for most langs
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> 1732107110 997487 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02Dumbfuck10]] to [[Dumbf*ck]] over redirect
> 1732107111 23101 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10moved [[02Talk:Dumbfuck10]] to [[Talk:Dumbf*ck]] over redirect
> 1732107111 35477 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete_redir10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10Ractangle deleted redirect [[02Dumbf*ck10]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[Dumbfuck]]"
> 1732107111 47132 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete_redir10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5*  10Ractangle deleted redirect [[02Talk:Dumbf*ck10]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[Talk:Dumbfuck]]"
> 1732107384 910421 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07g14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145906&oldid=145857 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+486) 10/* semantics */
> 1732107477 913597 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ACCUMULATOR14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145907&oldid=129490 5* 03UndoneStudios 5* (+117) 10
> 1732107500 388297 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ACCUMULATOR14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145908&oldid=145907 5* 03UndoneStudios 5* (+29) 10
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< 1732107538 770690 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey ais i changed it
< 1732108326 993178 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*ais523
< 1732108413 753296 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, it's a language now – I'm not sure it'll inspire anyone to actually use it, the rules are somewhat arbitrary
< 1732108421 366626 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1732108429 740206 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it *is* just a keyboard lol
< 1732108599 581487 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sadly im to stupid to proov it TC
< 1732108606 649775 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless i. make 10 esolangs to proove it
< 1732108704 66469 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe even there i cant
< 1732108709 752892 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im already stuck lol
< 1732108898 650366 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that most of my languages aim to be TC in unusual ways – this is in many cases a side effect of being designed to be powerful for proving things TC
< 1732108912 390959 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this does too
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> 1732110471 549859 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ORK/PSTF Again-Viginte14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145909 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+2323) 10Created page with "Translated ORK/Mihai Again18|HFE D  H$0H? H? H'E D  H$0H? H? HE D  H?{?  H? tH?r?  tH?p?  tHu H?Q?  H?Q?  H?Q?  H?Q?  H?8 H(?, 8H?? HtAH?? HtH?? /G H?  H? L? E3?? G H?X7 H8+ ..."
> 1732110594 11792 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated ORK/Mihai Again1814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145910&oldid=145885 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+144) 10
> 1732110654 236424 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145911&oldid=145882 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+125) 10
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> 1732112802 450424 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145912&oldid=145744 5* 03ZCX islptng 5* (+109) 10
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< 1732116946 915676 :callforjudgement!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
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< 1732117010 275218 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey ais523 i wanted to proove TC and i wanted to know if you had any esolangs that i could try to use?
< 1732117040 258379 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wWwwW: what do you mean by "use" here – are you looking for languages to prove TCness of, or languages to prove TCness with?
< 1732117076 654943 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with
< 1732117083 680342 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :frick i need to be better at words lol
< 1732117109 611592 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :normally I use The Waterfall Model for anything that's capable of representing enough unbounded counters
< 1732117122 939154 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh yea
< 1732117127 907808 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes sense to use
< 1732117129 179666 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or tag variants (e.g. Echo Tag or Genera Tag) for anything that has a queue
< 1732117137 353427 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1732117172 953995 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are some more special-purpose TC-proving languages, like Delta Relay for languages which are bad at "resetting" their control flow, but they aren't useful as often
< 1732117188 796225 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1732117430 826522 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what would you reccomnd me tho?
< 1732117437 9353 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(other than waterfall)
< 1732117538 781107 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cyclic tag, minsky machines
< 1732117550 244442 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1732117582 90970 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've made many "slightly easier to implement than cyclic tag" languages, but most languages are able to implement the original, it's only when that doesn't work that you need to reach for a more powerful option
< 1732117715 217762 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also can you help me. im pretty bad at TC'ness prooving
< 1732117769 677875 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i know how to ignore the odd rule
< 1732117890 708260 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :normally it is easier to compile than interpret – think about how you would compile from the TC-proving language to the language you're trying to prove
< 1732117901 69675 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1732117904 522554 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if there isn't an obvious way to do it, move onto a different TC-proving language
< 1732117911 279916 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1732117931 129121 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cant compile also mean like translate?
< 1732117931 634254 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like
< 1732117944 307723 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :underload was translated into umm
< 1732117951 445505 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unlambda
< 1732118018 526934 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a simple translation is a sort of compiler
< 1732118026 606499 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1732118029 761229 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thank god
< 1732118055 450083 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, it's a correspondence between languages which can trivially be used as the basis of a compiler
< 1732118065 302240 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
> 1732118245 994459 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07g14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145913&oldid=145906 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-80) 10/* semantics(g Normal) */
> 1732118460 206384 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07g14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145914&oldid=145913 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+87) 10/* semantics(g Normal) */
> 1732118544 151000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07g14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145915&oldid=145914 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-1) 10/* Compl class */
> 1732118622 636990 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07g14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145916&oldid=145915 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+36) 10/* g bd */
> 1732118700 945737 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07g14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145917&oldid=145916 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-20) 10/* syntax */
< 1732118745 321390 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well ill do some research then
< 1732118865 470520 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN #esolangs ski :Stefan Ljungstrand
> 1732119042 27612 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145918&oldid=144472 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-5367) 10/* golfing lang */
> 1732119058 801158 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145919&oldid=145918 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-502) 10/* APL x BASIC x MM */
> 1732121046 66638 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07g14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145920&oldid=145917 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+89) 10/* syntax */
> 1732121262 582570 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145921&oldid=145919 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+122) 10/* research */
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> 1732121568 290556 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145922&oldid=145921 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+23) 10/* research */
< 1732121611 33356 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey ais523 how many counters does waterfall need
< 1732121622 976284 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :7
< 1732121631 616056 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, maybe it can do with less, but 7's the minimum we've proven
< 1732121635 54694 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :frickin dmammit
< 1732121661 442521 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although if you're going down to that few counters, the numbers get very large
< 1732121678 585096 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is partly because the waterfall model uses counters both as control flow and as data
< 1732121698 843234 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you have separate control flow, you have a counter machine, and those work with only two counters
< 1732121718 265905 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im already so stuck
> 1732121764 154025 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145923&oldid=145922 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+103) 10/* research */
< 1732121939 363273 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :help meeee plz
< 1732121980 963225 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the way the string keeps expanding makes TCness proofs difficult
< 1732121990 947304 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1732122001 939046 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are at least two old languages like that which are still unsolved, although people gave up trying fairly quickly
< 1732122019 106518 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Xigxag is fun, it was widely suspected not to be TC but that's hard to prove
< 1732122021 752429 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well i wont
< 1732122029 323654 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i hve read xigxag!
< 1732122191 513891 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wil NEVER GIVE UP
< 1732122568 743479 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1732122573 265603 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if we have these counters
< 1732122610 422142 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :every prim iteration the counters nothhing happens
> 1732122719 779405 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07g14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145924&oldid=145920 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+140) 10/* syntax */
> 1732122914 278628 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145925&oldid=145923 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+165) 10/* research */
< 1732123088 154367 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well
< 1732123109 326958 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :know i know how to ignore different rules and how to make counters trhat jump to some value n whenever they hit 1
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> 1732123525 437510 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145926&oldid=145925 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+1) 10/* research */
< 1732123550 943315 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey ais523(if i need to stop pinging me just tell me) have i actually made progres?^^
< 1732123628 231507 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm too tired to tell, I should go to bed (but I'm not sure if I'll be able to tell even when more awake)
< 1732123690 167503 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :k
< 1732123696 24085 :wWwwW!~wWwwW@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :go to bed then
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< 1732134949 951801 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that reminds me, we'll still have to try to work out if we can get a turing-completness proof for Imprecision
< 1732135198 420128 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, is clothespin really a synonym for clothes peg, the fastner used to fix clothes onto a drying line? because that sounds rather silly
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< 1732142006 776325 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I don't know if I linked it here, but I wrote a guest post for the PyPy/RPython blog last week: https://pypy.org/posts/2024/11/guest-post-final-encoding-in-rpython.html
< 1732142057 142074 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You had mentioned being surprised at the BF monoid, so I figured you'd appreciate the punchline: the monoid makes it possible to optimize a final encoding with nice algebraic reasoning.
< 1732142111 596080 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION déjà vu
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< 1732149058 411029 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was wondering why this text was so hard to select: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/select-kerning.png ...what a stupid side effect of aggressive kerning
< 1732149096 328644 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The text in question was "SBF should be the new crypto czar" which I find funny. Well, as long as it doesn't actually happen.)
< 1732149190 424167 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it continues ", a thread.  1/666" which didn't hit for me.)
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< 1732151672 22444 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: oh is that monoid what you're using to "normalize" brainfuck code when computing program sizes for the BB gauge?
< 1732151709 2075 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION had not connected those dots, but the timing is suggestive.
< 1732155901 967623 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: It is now, yes. Previously I was using a smart constructor for the loop idioms and a handrolled iterator for the peephole. Now they're unified via one monoidal action, which is kind of cool.
< 1732155957 311935 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hadn't intended to use my own code for the BB gauge, but I couldn't find a decent Brainfuck normalizer anywhere in nixpkgs and didn't want to package Somebody Else's Python.
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