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00:48:07 <fizzie> Had such trouble with today's part 1 in Burlesque. Both two first attempts (using the SetAt builtin to update the list) worked for the example but were infeasibly slow on the actual input; the second even somehow used multiple gigabytes of memory, probably due to some subtlety of the Burlesque interpreter that I'm not aware of.
00:48:26 <fizzie> Finally got something that runs in a practical amount of time by building a separate list of the filled-in spaces and coerce-adding it to the original to fill in the gaps.
00:48:40 <fizzie> riXX0[+2cozi{+.bxj^p{0}j.*#r.*}m^FLJJ{z?}fI-1+]2CO{.-}m^?dj:nz<-saPp{j{0}j.*}Z]FL?+?dPP.+zi)pd++
00:49:28 <fizzie> `blsq "2333133121414131402"riXX0[+2cozi{+.bxj^p{0}j.*#r.*}m^FLJJ{z?}fI-1+]2CO{.-}m^?dj:nz<-saPp{j{0}j.*}Z]FL?+?dPP.+zi)pd++
00:49:35 <fizzie> Forgot that was there.
00:50:07 <fizzie> I'm sure there's a much simpler way of accomplishing it but at least it works.
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06:02:45 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147853&oldid=147371 * None1 * (+61) /* General languages */
06:03:27 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147854&oldid=147372 * None1 * (+61)
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08:50:37 <esolangs> [[User talk:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147857&oldid=147375 * ZCX islptng * (+616) /* Please make a interpreter for 6 trits, 243 trytes! */ new section
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11:46:59 <esolangs> [[User talk:ZCX islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147862&oldid=147598 * PrySigneToFry * (+796) /* I'm thinking to made a Brainfuck derivative Esolang. */ new section
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12:18:32 <esolangs> [[TapeFuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=147864 * TeslaX93 * (+1032) Created page with "TapeFuck is another Brainfuck derivative. Instead of the classic eight commands, TapeFuck has only seven. TapeFuck operates on two tapes: one is the classic Brainfuck tape containing 30,000 positions initially filled with zeros and is arranged on a horizontal axis. T
12:18:55 <esolangs> [[TapeFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147865&oldid=147864 * TeslaX93 * (+4)
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12:21:57 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147870&oldid=147830 * None1 * (+367) /* Abuse filter paradox */
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12:34:41 <esolangs> [[User talk:ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147874&oldid=147871 * None1 * (-6) /* Neography Wiki */
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13:09:48 <esolangs> [[Poetic/Interpreter]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147877&oldid=137047 * None1 * (+0)
13:13:52 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=147878 * None1 * (+3872) Created page with "'''''' is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]], it is based on [[Poetic]]. Programs in this esolang are like abstract Chinese poetry. ==Overview== The sole form of data storage in Poetic is the unsigned byte (i.e. an integer in the range 0-255). has a "tape" of 30,000 of thes
13:14:38 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147879&oldid=147669 * None1 * (+10) /* Non-alphabetic */
13:16:10 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147880&oldid=147854 * None1 * (+45) /* My Esolangs */
13:16:20 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147881&oldid=147880 * None1 * (-4) /* My Esolangs */
13:23:35 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147882&oldid=147875 * PrySigneToFry * (+304)
13:45:21 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147883&oldid=147882 * ZCX islptng * (+152) /* ? */
13:47:46 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147884&oldid=147883 * ZCX islptng * (+1) /* ? */
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15:25:35 <esolangs> [[Analogia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147886&oldid=147850 * Ais523 * (-23) undo; don't remove or retarget links just because they're red redlinks show places where new articles could be written to improve the wiki, whereas a list of all uncomputable languages is not a good way to define the concept of computability
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16:41:58 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147888&oldid=147878 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+17)
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16:50:07 <esolangs> [[Hyperinotoidion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147893&oldid=146788 * Win7HE * (+41)
16:53:32 <esolangs> [[13 bytes :D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147894&oldid=147861 * Ractangle * (+4) /* Cat program(?) */
16:59:58 <esolangs> [[Hyperinotoidion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147895&oldid=147893 * Win7HE * (+349)
17:02:20 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147896&oldid=147766 * Win7HE * (+33)
17:03:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:FISH WALKING ]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=147897 * Win7HE * (+39) Created page with "theres a fish walking - [[User:Win7HE]]"
17:03:29 <esolangs> [[User:Win7HE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147898&oldid=146783 * Win7HE * (+0)
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17:10:25 <korvo> ...In the absence of more serious policy, I can't decide whether I'm supposed to do anything about links from non-joke pages to joke pages. I'm choosing to do nothing, but be aware that it's possible to get graffiti'd to death by teenagers.
18:02:40 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147900&oldid=147728 * ERR0R.heheheha * (+232) /* Introductions */
18:07:20 <esolangs> [[User:Emelang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147901&oldid=142040 * Emelang * (+25) added queue-based esolang
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18:15:39 <esolangs> [[Queue-based esolang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=147902 * Emelang * (+458) Created page with ""queue-based esolang" is, well, a queue-based esolang. It's also [User:Emelang|emelchenko]'s first time in a while writing an interpreter for one of his esolangs. == Commands == <pre>p</pre>: pushes the character after it onto the queue. <pre>q</pre>: pops
18:16:07 <esolangs> [[Queue-based esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147903&oldid=147902 * Emelang * (+6) <pre></pre>? no thanks!
18:17:12 <esolangs> [[Queue-based esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147904&oldid=147903 * Emelang * (-9) RAHH
18:17:52 <esolangs> [[User:Emelang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147905&oldid=147901 * Emelang * (+7) esolangs i made
18:19:54 <esolangs> [[Queue-based esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147906&oldid=147904 * Emelang * (+51) categorized
19:42:47 <esolangs> [[Queue-based esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147907&oldid=147906 * Ractangle * (+80) /* Interpreters */
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23:06:40 <ais523> korvo: so the links have to make sense in the context of the page they're on; it certainly can make sense for a non-joke to reference a joke, but that's different from a non-joke being part of the joke
23:08:24 <korvo> ais523: Okay. Related: how do I decide whether Hyperinotoidion or similar pages should be expanded? On one hand, it could be interpreted as a non-joke which isn't a trivial BF substitution, but that would require getting rid of the joke formatting and using templates like {{stub}}.
23:08:29 <ais523> on the BF page in particular, curation is a problem because there are so many derivatives, historically I think the plan has been to move the less interesting links to separate pages linked from the main BF page
23:09:32 <ais523> we do have a policy of "if you can't figure out what to do it is best to do nothing" and that a) has helped me keep sane and has probably been for the good of the wiki overall, but b) occasionally produces bad results in some specific cases
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23:10:29 <ais523> at some point the wiki probably needs to collectively have a serious discussion about "pages that are jokes, as opposed to documenting jokes" – especially if there isn't an underlying language
23:10:39 <ais523> but I am not sure how it would go or even what my own opinion is
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23:12:15 <ais523> things like the 100 badly translated versions of the article about ORK are a problem, although those are slowly being moved to a pastebin which I approve of as a solution
23:12:59 <ais523> in a way, the fundamental problem is that esolangs are (or at least can be) a form of art and just about anything can be classified as, or at least viewed as, art
23:13:22 <ais523> so it is hard to say "this is not esolang-related and so it's offtopic" because almost anything can be treated as though it's an esolang
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23:16:44 <ais523> one big problem we have (which I fear I have contributed to) is that originally, people made esolangs and then documented them on the wiki (but they had a separate existence outside which could be documented), whereas nowadays most esolangs on the wiki were created for the wiki and may not exist in any sense other than the wiki page
23:17:15 <ais523> (to the extent that some users believe or have believed that you could change an esolang by changing the wiki page, which has to be some sort of logical fallacy but I'm not sure which one)
23:24:23 <korvo> You can run an art gallery without inviting graffiti. (Feel free to stretch the metaphor: outside the gallery, I think graffiti is lovely and important.)
23:25:44 <korvo> (a) yeah, it's real easy for me to do nothing. (b) if I make the mistake of clicking on Special:Random a few times, I usually take psychic damage; it's not rewarding like English WP or other wikis.
23:26:43 <ais523> korvo: well, Esolang intentionally has low standards for inclusion because it was founded as a response to esolang-related content being deleted from Wikipedia – I think an art gallery with similarly low standards to ours *would* accept graffiti
23:27:00 <ais523> although it'd be sorted separately from the rest of the art
23:28:01 <korvo> Oh, I agree, and I'd hope that I've contributed enough stubs to show that I believe in inclusionism. It's rather about the spray-painters leaving the spray-paint exhibit and redecorating parts of the main hall, so to speak.
23:29:24 <korvo> The Discord folks seem to have a culture of what's called "tagging", where a young artist earns respect by running into a condemned/dangerous/locally-legendary house and spraying their name onto a wall. I know better than to dissuade taggers directly; perhaps we could try to figure out why they think that this gives them renown.
23:29:46 <ais523> the "semi-serious language list" was a good idea but I hate the name
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23:35:57 <esolangs> [[General Compute Coprocessor]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147909&oldid=131934 * B jonas * (+31) [[Category:Programming games]]
23:36:06 <esolangs> [[GHost CPU]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=147910&oldid=131900 * B jonas * (+31) [[Category:Programming games]]
23:37:15 <korvo> Yeah, the half-seriousness is a good way of thinking about it. Certainly it reminds me that I'm being too serious.
23:38:21 <ais523> most of my esolang-related interactions are very serious, to the point that I've stopped leaving jokes in my languages except occasionally the names
23:38:43 <ais523> most of my esolangs are tools for proving or demonstrating things, after all
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23:48:59 <ais523> but I have plenty of jokier ones in my history
23:50:17 <ais523> in a way, a problem with the pure-joke esolangs is that huge numbers of them are just the same joke as each other, and it's hard to do an existing joke better than the previous versions of it
23:51:32 <ais523> e.g. it is difficult to make a language like TURKEY BOMB but better (and in a sense, it's only a language because it says it's a language – the spec doesn't have enough detail to determine how expressions could be evaluated or commands would be run)