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< 1735912711 330466 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so today, I did an OS upgrade but it went wrong, and while recovering I had to configure a network interface manually
< 1735912745 292656 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ifconfig to bring it up, dhcpcd to get an IP address, but when trying to set up DNS, things went wrong in a somewhat eso way
< 1735912783 384478 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was trying to use systemd's resolvectl to set a DNS server, but when I ran resolvectl, the setting generally only lasted a second or so, sometimes less
< 1735912793 722396 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and would go back to having no DNS server almost immediately
< 1735912828 5184 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :eventually I fixed it by writing a small script that ran resolvectl every 0.1 seconds in a loop, which held the DNS settings stable for long enough to actually download the packages I needed to complete the update
< 1735912867 815683 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmmm. So would dhcp give you wrong DNS servers or is there a third mechanism involved somewhere?
< 1735912886 315877 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But yeah, that sounds like a fun workaround.
< 1735912908 824632 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there were no DNS servers being given at all
< 1735912951 504206 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also this is the first time I've used wired Internet in probably over a decade – trying to figure out how to do it wirelessly would have been even harder)
< 1735912982 215469 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I made a fresh system image for my raspberry over New Year's so there was some network configuration in that too. Nothing adverserial though unless you count the fact that as far as I can see, isc-dhcpd is no longer there, and udhcpd has its own set of quirks.
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< 1735913095 779089 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ouch
< 1735913118 937899 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't understand how network configuration with dhcp works at all on linux these days
< 1735913140 376992 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it all seems opaque magic
< 1735913158 590014 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well whatever opaque magic normally does it wasn't installed at the time
< 1735913187 689843 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :AFAICT, apt got a fraction of the way through the upgrade and then gave up, but most of what it did in the fraction that it completed was uninstalling things
< 1735913239 707154 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I expected udhcpd to default to class-based routing so 192.168.0.1 would come with a /24 netmask... well it gave out a 255.0.0.0 instead. Which happens to work for this setup but I still fixed it. ;-)
< 1735913262 414257 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as long as you don't need to access any other addresses in 192/8 :-)
< 1735913275 780151 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :exactly
< 1735913281 363829 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(what even is there, is it just regular addresses outside 192.168/16?)
< 1735913322 879458 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would probably even work for that... because raspberry (= router) side the netmasks were correct and 192.168.0.1 is my default gateway.
< 1735913391 788094 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah
< 1735913440 608850 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It would try to send directly instead of via 192.168.0.1. Still the same link though, and the router would see the packet. So it's murky territory.
< 1735913498 262372 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is the second time recently that I heard of an interrupted OS upgrade going bad
< 1735913501 848340 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still think it would work because of the same link thing.
< 1735913580 289177 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(But would break the moment I'd add a switch.)
< 1735913641 531443 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it's happened before to me but never quite this badly
< 1735913658 236990 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think last time I still had working networking so I was able to recover before rebooting
< 1735913665 608273 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, no. The computer *should* try ARP to find the MAC address and that would fail, right?
< 1735913819 362144 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in such a case, can you boot from a standalone installer disk and use that to access the package database of the existing system and update the OS that way, without depending on most of what's installed in it?
< 1735913865 832053 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: that was my plan B
< 1735913901 50263 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it would take a while to find a standalone installer, I think I have an old one *somewhere* around here but it would take ages to find, and it is hard to make a new one without networking
< 1735914036 791606 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see
< 1735914054 221983 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do have one of those disks around, though I should probably burn a more recent one
< 1735914099 323491 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can use USB sticks rather than CDs
< 1735914105 460130 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have to do it like that because my laptop doesn't have a CD drive
< 1735914129 330790 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :CDs will give you compatibility to older computers but that usually isn't important unless you're trying to give new life to a computer that's otherwise obsolete
< 1735914130 884027 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also if I have a bootloader intact and the filesystem isn't horribly corrupted and I have internet (three big ifs) then I can boot the netboot installer from hard disk (I've done that before) since that is bootable as only a kernel and a small initrd, two files 
< 1735914153 928699 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I have done the same with a bootloader from a CD but the two files on hard disk too
< 1735914170 454601 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had intact bootloader, non-corrupted root filesystem but the others weren't mounting, and most of the networking-related packages weren't installed
< 1735914215 206184 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I fixed the non-mounting filesystems problem by installing udev, which fortunately was in the package cache at the time – the installer pre-loads the package cache with packages it thinks it will need, it made a good decision with that one)
< 1735914602 995441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, which distribution is that?
< 1735914723 592193 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ubuntu
< 1735914983 36740 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay. So /maybe/ Debian is fine :)
< 1735915191 603954 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the reason why it gave up was also strange, something went wrong configuring emacs
< 1735915209 517626 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :emacs is unlikely to be essential to the upgrade, so you'd expect the installer to just temporarily deconfigure it during the upgrade
< 1735915218 745153 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, treat it as half-deconfigured
< 1735915257 571861 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's what a purely apt+dpkg-based upgrade would do, but apparently Ubuntu was doing something different
< 1735915300 952535 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, emacs shouldn't be load-bearing during an upgrade
< 1735915448 722781 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :apt in general was struggling with the half-configured state, I ended up manually uninstalling emacs and everything that depends on it with dpkg
< 1735915457 571903 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to remove the inconsistency
< 1735915462 252236 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I reinstalled it afterwards)
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> 1735934551 572355 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pyline14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=149328&oldid=149087 5* 03Corbin 5* (+37) 10I suppose that it's only obvious that this is easy mode...
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> 1735934922 531275 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pyline Classic14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=149330 5* 03Corbin 5* (+2030) 10...if there's also a hard mode available.
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< 1735941116 976444 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taking a break from Lojban ontology today to show the youngsters how to Pyline properly. I have hacked up what I think is my smallest, slowest BF interp yet: https://gist.github.com/MostAwesomeDude/d0559414ace589c0536b219d2e086db7
< 1735941137 311916 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm about halfway through converting this to Pyline Classic but I need to recharge.
< 1735941189 411848 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I really wanted to avoid using a fixed-point combinator but I think that my options are: Z combinator for Python, locals() hacks, or bytecode with code() to hand-write a while-loop.
< 1735941530 54655 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder whether that's faster or slower than my BF interpreter in Esimpl
< 1735941563 28518 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although mine was implementing bignum BF, yours can easily be adapted to that
< 1735941640 329611 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it ships with the Esimpl interpreter linked on the wiki, maybe I should make it a separate link)
< 1735941950 748950 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: don't you have double exponentially slow bf interpreters for one of these machines with only counters?
< 1735942668 221603 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :possibly, although I'm not sure I ever actually wrote one
< 1735942686 819388 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought Esimpl would be an interesting comparison because the interpreter isn't hugely slow, but it is limited by having only stacks to store data in
< 1735942737 739225 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you pick a super-slow language it isn't an interesting comparison
< 1735942879 803282 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah
< 1735942971 36512 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So you can have 2 stacks for data and 2 stacks for tracking the program and one more stack for tracking loop depth while skipping back and forth?
< 1735943020 676441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(trying to wrap my head around the utility of having more than 2 stacks... this kind of separation of concerns should help)
< 1735943076 526870 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's implemented Underload-style, two for data, one for program, one for holding the current loop while making a copy of it (which is a full semideque not just a stack as it gets looped round twice), and one for counting nesting depth
< 1735943088 770311 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and one as a temporary while lexing
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