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01:02:49 <esolangs> [[LJAPL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151005&oldid=150904 * Calculus is fun * (-1087) Changed link with compressed version
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02:34:21 <korvo> Did folks see this yet? https://github.com/ccz181078/Coq-BB5 BB(5,2) and BB(2,4) champions proven to be optimal.
02:35:45 <korvo> ...Did we already talk about this? I don't remember it, but my notes are already updated for it.
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03:01:30 <ais523> korvo: we've extensively discussed an announcement that prominently linked to that
03:01:53 <ais523> so a lot of people here have probably discovered it like that, even if we didn't discuss it directly – I know that's how I came across it
03:23:23 <esolangs> [[Lack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151008&oldid=151001 * Dmiz * (+288)
04:05:18 <korvo> ais523: It's entirely possible that we had an entire multi-hour discussion and I've just forgotten it. Happens a lot.
04:22:16 <esolangs> [[Gd auto level]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151009&oldid=151002 * PrySigneToFry * (+286) Used more formal grammar.
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05:14:36 <esolangs> [[PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151011&oldid=142737 * PrySigneToFry * (+116) Redirected page to [[User:PrySigneToFry]]
05:15:30 <Lykaina> wrote my first befunge program
05:16:27 <Lykaina> https://lykaina.sdf.org/esolangs/catline.bef
05:17:20 <korvo> Nice! Very neat symmetry. I don't remember how Befunge works; what does it do?
05:18:14 <Lykaina> basically, 2d enhanced brainfuck
05:19:31 <Lykaina> a cat program that stops at newline
05:24:17 <Lykaina> i also wrote an interpreter in python
05:26:47 <Lykaina> the 4 i/o commands need work atm
05:33:26 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[PrySigneToFry]]": cross-namespace redirect
05:35:10 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151012&oldid=151010 * Ais523 * (+734) /* I simply use the page without the User: prefix for redirect to my userpage. */ that's a cross-namespace redirect, which is not allowed; links to the earlier discussions about it
05:36:16 <ais523> Lykaina: that looks like Befunge-93, right?
05:37:25 <ais523> are you interested in ways to make it smaller/shorter, or do you prefer the way it is? (Most of my use of Befunge has been in golf competitions, so I am used to trying to write it tersely, but of course there's no actual reason to do that)
06:17:05 <myname> befunge golfing can be very fun
06:17:20 <myname> i used to golf a couple of easy project euler tasks
06:23:32 <myname> you could probably do some trampoline stuff with the 5s, like #+5-#+5-# and going left and right over it
06:24:47 <myname> but it's probably easier to just duplicate and drop instead
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07:24:12 <esolangs> [[Gd auto level]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151013&oldid=151009 * 47 * (+4)
07:33:56 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[GD auto level]]": doesn't appear to be a different language from the one at [[Gd auto level]]; makng a second page documenting the same language a PoV fork (thus not allowed), you should come to a consensus on how to document it on the original page
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08:04:24 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem/brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151015&oldid=151014 * Blashyrkh * (-1) Remove extra empty line
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09:42:36 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * X-540 * New user account
09:42:57 <esolangs> [[Gd auto level]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151019&oldid=151013 * PrySigneToFry * (+14)
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09:50:23 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151021&oldid=151012 * PrySigneToFry * (+1129) /* I seem to find that I've written a lot of more formal programming languages. */ new section
09:54:37 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151022&oldid=151021 * Ais523 * (+562) /* I seem to find that I've written a lot of more formal programming languages. */ this wiki is only for esolangs, but most programming languages that can be created quickly by a single person are esolangs
10:08:34 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151023&oldid=150817 * X-540 * (+279) /* Introductions */
10:11:03 <b_jonas> ``` hg cat -r12510 /hackenv/wisdom/password # korvo: we talked about BB(5,2) proven. I hadn't known about BB(2,4) but I'm not paying attention to the busy beaver competitions as much as some other users here.
10:11:07 <HackEso> The password of the month is BB(5) = 47176870
10:12:42 <b_jonas> ``` hg log -r12510 -T '{date(date,"%Y-%m-%d %H:%M")}' /hackenv/wisdom/password # must have been known by that time
10:14:12 <Lykaina> ais523: yeah, it's befunge-93
10:18:44 <Lykaina> i'm writing a befunge-93 interpreter for micropython
10:19:02 <ais523> hmm, I wonder whether the playfield is large enough for that
10:19:10 <ais523> if it isn't, you could switch to befunge-98 which has more space
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10:22:13 <Lykaina> the language the befunge-93 interpreter is written in is micropython
10:22:39 <ais523> oh, that makes more sense
10:23:23 <ais523> this is the sort of channel where if someone said they were writing a C compiler in BF, I would probably a) expect them to fail but b) expect they were genuinely trying
10:24:18 <Lykaina> and, it's a variant of befunge-93 due to ram and lcd limitations
10:25:35 <Lykaina> but the code is being written so it can easily run on 80x25 as well
10:27:53 <Lykaina> the rp2040 only has so much ram
10:29:04 <Lykaina> and the display i'm using is a 240x320 model
10:29:56 <Lykaina> and i want the grid to appear on the lcd while it is running
10:32:55 <Lykaina> the ultimate goal is being able to code the befunge-93 variant on the rp2040 using IR input (17-button remote)
10:38:50 <esolangs> [[User talk:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151024&oldid=149887 * PrySigneToFry * (+983) /* */ new section
10:43:56 <Lykaina> i bought a pico 2w (rp2350 chip) which has twice the ram as the pico w (rp2040 chip) yesterday but it will not arrive until saturday.
10:49:17 <Lykaina> i have no idea why the rp2040 has 294kb ram, when it's direct competitor, the esp32, has 500kb-ish...seems a little shortsighted
10:52:01 <Lykaina> glad they doubled the ram and flash for the rp2350-based Pico 2/Pico 2w (flash on rp2040-based Pico/Pico W is 2MiB)
10:53:26 <Lykaina> flash on a commonly-available esp32 model is 4 MiB
10:58:37 <Lykaina> the rp2350 designers were clearly aware of the esp32s3's capabilities when they designed their chip
11:02:20 <esolangs> [[Seed]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151025&oldid=120207 * None1 * (+27) /* References */
11:06:08 <esolangs> [[SeedFuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=151026 * None1 * (+760) Created page with "'''SeedFuck''' is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]], it is [[seed]] but for [[brainfuck]]. Programs are like this: <length> <seed> ==Random Generator== SeedFuck uses Python 3.11's random generator, it generates numbers from 0-8 and translates the numbers into brainf
11:07:04 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151027&oldid=150871 * None1 * (+52) /* Brainfuck derivatives */
11:07:24 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151028&oldid=150282 * None1 * (+53) /* My Esolangs */
11:09:21 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151029&oldid=150538 * None1 * (+99) /* Commands */
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12:03:25 <b_jonas> Lykaina: are you writing the editor itself in befunge? befunge has the p command so it can edit its own playfield so that might work
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12:20:44 <fizzie> I think a lot of RP2040 boards bump up the flash size from the "default" (Pico) 2MB.
12:22:10 <fizzie> (For example I built -- well, half-finished -- a thing on top of the Adafruit Feather RP2040 and it's got 8MB of flash.)
12:24:51 <Lykaina> just woke from nightmare-scene of being in a hotel where it was dark and turning on lights to find i triggered the fire suppression system.
12:27:52 <fizzie> The display for that device is one of those 20x4 character text-only LCDs (though there's enough on-board RAM to have 8 custom symbols).
12:28:01 <fizzie> Didn't think of putting Befunge on it though.
12:40:49 <b_jonas> fizzie: is that for a programmable calculator?
12:46:13 <fizzie> It's for a (pretty pointless) USB peripheral that's a combined temperature/humidity sensor plus a box with a clickable rotary knob + that display, that I can put a menu on and use it to display... stuff. Current plans call it to display, well, the temperature and humidity, but also any alerts from Prometheus monitoring, because I've proven quite adept at ignoring the email alerts.
12:46:47 <fizzie> The thinking is, if I make it so the display backlight is on whenever there's unacknowledged alerts, I'll be more diligent in responding to them.
12:50:46 <fizzie> Which may or may not be true. It's currently stalled on getting the box that houses it made. I did the CAD part of it, and there's a laser cutter here at the office, but I'd need to do two separate visits (first to do a test cut with an array of different tolerances, to see what gives a nice fit; and then to do the real thing) and that feels like so much effort.
12:51:27 <fizzie> Plus I haven't decided exactly what to make it out of, there's a bunch of clear 3mm acrylic here but I'm not sure if I want it to be transparent or not.
12:56:27 <fizzie> Bah, just checked the timestamps, it was like 2023 when I left this, it's been over a year already, that's terrible.
13:14:58 <APic> What! Me worry? ‑ Alfred E. Neumann
13:35:01 <esolangs> [[Free Esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151031&oldid=149683 * PrySigneToFry * (+592)
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13:42:00 <esolangs> [[Talk:SeedFuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=151032 * Blashyrkh * (+362) Created page with "Few suggestions: * "it generates numbers from 0-8" sounds ambiguously, it's better to say "from 0 to 7 inclusive"; * it's not an interpreter, it's a transpiler from SeedFuck to brainfuck; * <pre>k,l=map(int,input().split())</pre> saves one line of python code. Be
14:00:13 <Lykaina> b_jonas: the editor is one i made in micropython
14:02:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:Deadman]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151033&oldid=149285 * Win7HE * (+64)
14:08:57 <esolangs> [[Deadman]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151034&oldid=149294 * Win7HE * (+6) /* (without looping or jumps) Truth Machine */
14:17:10 <esolangs> [[Talk:SeedFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151035&oldid=151032 * Blashyrkh * (+349) and one more suggestion
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15:09:51 <esolangs> [[Gd auto level]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151036&oldid=151019 * PrySigneToFry * (+22) Fixed command for make "Hello, world!" possible to construct
16:17:55 <esolangs> [[Stackfish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=151037 * I am islptng * (+175) Created page with " i increment TOS d decrement TOS s square TOS o output TOS z push 0 r push a number read from stdin n put TOS to the bottom of stack p...q Same as bf [] but TOS instead"
16:21:58 <esolangs> [[Stackfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151038&oldid=151037 * I am islptng * (+98)
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16:30:28 <Lykaina> i have all but one command in my micropython implementation of befunge-93 implemented.
16:31:00 <Lykaina> the command i am having trouble with is '&'
16:31:36 <b_jonas> esolangs, what does the & command do in befunge?
16:31:45 <esolangs> b_jonas: In Befunge, the `&` command is used for **"addressing"**. It takes the current stack pointer and **references the value at that address**. This allows you to manipulate data stored in memory locations. Think of it like a pointer that points to a specific memory location.
16:35:28 <Lykaina> numeric input is what i'm saving for last
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16:49:52 <FireFly> esolangs: bad, no botsnack for you
16:50:20 <esolangs> FireFly: The message "bad, no botsnack for you" is a humorous response from Lambdabot, likely in response to a user trying to use the bot to access botsnack. Botsnack is a feature of the IRC bot, and it's not available to everyone. The bot is designed to be a fun and educational tool for exploring esoteric programming languages.
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17:37:29 <ais523> wow, I almost believed esolangs on that for a moment
17:37:38 <ais523> AI hallucinations can be really convincing sometimes
17:41:49 <Lykaina> fixed https://lykaina.sdf.org/esolangs/catline.bef
17:56:42 <esolangs> [[SeedFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151039&oldid=151026 * Ractangle * (+6) decided to make the equivalent shorter
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18:22:01 <esolangs> [[Talk:SeedFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151040&oldid=151035 * Blashyrkh * (+279) Suggestions never end
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18:27:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:SeedFuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151041&oldid=151040 * Blashyrkh * (-3) More appropriate headings
18:37:18 <esolangs> [[SeedFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151042&oldid=151039 * Ractangle * (+29)
18:37:49 <esolangs> [[SeedFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151043&oldid=151042 * Ractangle * (+14) /* Random Generator */
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18:52:17 <fizzie> I'm always tempted to check the logs to see what (if any) pages were used in the construction of those nonsense answers.
18:54:14 <fizzie> Looks like it searched for (unsurprisingly) "botsnack", and then passed in the contents of https://esolangs.org/wiki/Lambdabot as context.
18:55:26 <fizzie> (Not that the page says anything about botsnack other than including it in the "list of most commands".)
19:17:32 <esolangs> [[1^]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151044&oldid=147761 * Ractangle * (+3) /* Syntax */
19:37:18 <HackEso> botsnack(1hackeso) - no description \ botsnack(8lambdabot) - no description
19:37:31 <HackEso> botsnakc? No such file or directory
19:38:56 <FireFly> esolangs: can you write me a unefunge program printing "hello #esolangs"?
19:41:52 <esolangs> FireFly: ```unefunge #define AAAA __TIME__ $$$$$$$$"!dlrow ,olleH"zzzzzzz #define AAAB @ __TIME__ $$$$$$$$ __TIME__ $$$$$$$$ #define AABA > __TIME__ $$$$$$$$ __TIME__ $$$$$$$$ #define AABB : __TIME__ $$$$$$$$ __TIME__ $$$$$$$$ #define ABAA v __TIME__ $$$$$$$$ __TIME__ $$$$$$$$ #define ABAB _ __TIME__ $$$$$$$$ __TIME__ $$$$$$$$ #define ABBA , $$$$$$$$...
19:41:52 <esolangs> __TIME__ $$$$$$$$ __TIME__ #define ABBB ^ $$$$$$$$ __TIME__ $$$$$$$$ __TIME__ AAAA AABA AABB ABAA AAAB ABBB ABBA ABAB AAAB ``` This code defines a series of macros that will be expanded by the preprocessor. The macros are designed to print "hello #esolangs" when run.
19:42:20 <FireFly> I-I didn't ask for an ioccc submission...
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21:20:04 <esolangs> [[Befunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151045&oldid=147548 * BoundedBeans * (+53) Replace malicious Rc/Funge-98 link with Wayback Machine
21:28:09 <esolangs> [[1^]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=151046&oldid=151044 * Ractangle * (-17) /* Syntax */
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22:53:56 <Lykaina> https://lykaina.sdf.org/esolangs/catline.bef
23:32:58 <Lykaina> great...my micropython befunge takes up 137600 bytes of ram
23:42:44 <Lykaina> time to implement garbage collection