00:26:17 <lisbeths> https://github.com/memesmith0/mcr13 this is alot closer to what the final product should look like
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03:13:09 <lisbeths> mmcr(){ (a(){ unset f c;while read -r i;do if [ "$i" = m ] ;then read -r i;c="$c$i";read -r i;f="$f$i";else echo "$i"|awk "$f{o=\$0;$c print o}"||exit;fi;done;};a|a|sh>&2)};#https://github.com/memesmith0/mmcr
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03:50:03 <korvo> Sometimes I think it would be nice if Turing-style machines had explicit stuckness.
03:50:29 <korvo> Right now I'm dreaming of self-applying Brainfuck and it's unfortunate that sometimes the best way to signal an error in the input is by provably never halting.
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04:26:08 <lisbeths> (a(){ f="";c="";while read -r i;do if [ "$i" = m ] ;then read -r i;c="$c$i";read -r i;f="$f$i";else echo "$i"|awk "$f{o=\$0;$c print o}";fi;done;};a|a)
04:27:43 <lisbeths> I have a very powerful subset of lambda calculus that always halts
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04:40:30 <lisbeths> thats the money shot
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05:12:55 <korvo> lisbeths: Good times. Lambda calculus is very relevant to many folks here; do you have a description of your subset?
05:32:00 <lisbeths> yes
05:32:09 <lisbeths> ibis combinator
05:32:13 <lisbeths> kestrel combinator
05:32:20 <lisbeths> kite combinator
05:32:26 <lisbeths> viero combinator
05:32:33 <lisbeths> is_end_of_list combinator
05:33:25 <lisbeths> these should always halt when applied to each other in correct sequences
05:34:40 <lisbeths> https://github.com/memesmith0/mcr14
05:34:57 <lisbeths> I have successfully decoupled awk as the only macro system for mcr5
05:35:07 <lisbeths> so now you can use any system that you want for macros
05:55:07 <korvo> I think that that combinator basis is equivalent in power to BCKI, maybe more usefully phrased as BCI+K. It's an affine lambda calculus.
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07:53:24 <lisbeths> heh I know some special tricks that are much nicer than BCKL as you shall see in the coming weeks with fastlisp
08:00:05 <lisbeths> anymcr(){ if [ "$2" = "" ] ;then sh -c "$1"|sh -c "$1";else sh -c "$1"|sh -c "$1"|sh -c "$2">&2; fi;};mcr14(){ (a="(unset c f;while read -r i;do if [ \"\$i\" = m ] ;then read -r i;c=\"\$c\$i\";read -r i;f=\"\$f\$i\";else echo \"\$i\"|awk \"\$f{o=\\\$0;\$c print o}\";fi;done;)";if [ "$2" = "" ] ;then if  [ "$1" = "" ] ;then anymcr "$a"; else anymcr "$1"; fi; elif [ "$1" = "" ] ; then anymcr "$a" "$2"; else anymcr "$1" "$2"; 
08:00:05 <lisbeths> fi;)};mcr14sh(){ mcr14 "" "sh";};
08:00:38 <lisbeths> I think its pretty finished I can't fathom anything else I'd want to do with it
08:01:05 <lisbeths> perhaps I could change anymcr to reflect systems that do not pipe into themselves
08:01:15 <lisbeths> but other than that there's not much else I can do
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09:10:18 <korvo> Next up, porting to execline~
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10:41:28 <lisbeths> okay Ive added some very basic documentation on the mcr14 page
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11:08:30 <coat> is there any online PDF that will give me a formal introduction to lambda calculus?
11:09:31 <coat> I'm looking for something more academic than practical. I mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_calculus seems good. It uses the academic terms like "abstraction", "application", etc. that's how I want to learn it. but some articles I found online mixes too much programming terminology making the articles difficult to read.
11:09:55 <lisbeths> the backus naur form for lambda calculus is real simple
11:10:15 <coat> lisbeths: thx. any links you could point me to?
11:10:17 <lisbeths> the wikipedia page on the church encoding is really good
11:10:24 <lisbeths> and the wikipedia page for lambda calculus
11:10:42 <lisbeths> you might also want to look up scotts encoding and de brujins indices
11:11:04 <lisbeths> if you /join #lambdacalculus I put a bunch of materials about lambda calculus in the topic
11:12:31 <coat> lisbeths: great. didn't know it existed. let me joint hat.
11:13:38 <lisbeths> in have this lambda tattoo https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qHkz5Nss/1000000994.jpg
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11:48:11 <APic> Hi
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13:04:51 <lisbeths> new base for mcr (c="";while read -r i;do if [ "$i" = m ] ;then read -r i;c="$c$i";else echo "$i"|sh -c "read -r o;$c echo \"\$o\""||exit;fi;done)
13:05:01 <lisbeths> you can remove ||exit error handling for more character space
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13:49:47 <isabella> can i get help
13:49:51 <isabella> my brainfuck interpreter is slow
13:49:59 <isabella> https://gist.github.com/izabera/d980ad66fca9ca78987a51519f2279b3
13:50:20 <isabella> https://asciinema.org/a/rcwlxfOh1CSaQ1ADlue1F2g4K 
13:50:39 <isabella> the long pauses are clone returning eagain over and over and over
13:50:45 <isabella> and i can't tell if i'm doing things wrong
13:52:23 <int-e> I don't know what you expected
13:52:37 <isabella> i mean the parent dies immediately every time
13:52:42 <isabella> so i'm not running out of pids
13:52:51 <isabella> so, i expected zero pauses
13:53:19 <int-e> but they'll still become zombies that have to be reaped?
13:53:23 <isabella> i don't know
13:53:28 <isabella> do they
13:53:37 <isabella> i'm using clone with 0 in the lowest byte
13:53:41 <isabella> of the first arg
13:53:58 <isabella> i was hoping this would make them not zombied
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13:54:04 <isabella> is that dumb
13:54:09 <isabella> is that not how it works
13:54:21 <lisbeths> isabella: (c="";while read -r i;do if [ "$i" = m ] ;then read -r i;c="$c$i";else echo "$i"|sh -c "read -r o;$c echo \"\$o\""||exit;fi;done)
13:54:43 <lisbeths> (c="";while read -r i;do if [ "$i" = m ] ;then read -r i;c="$c$i";else echo "$i"|sh -c "read -r o;$c echo \"\$o\""||exit;fi;done) | (c="";while read -r i;do if [ "$i" = m ] ;then read -r i;c="$c$i";else echo "$i"|sh -c "read -r o;$c echo \"\$o\""||exit;fi;done)
13:54:46 <isabella> can you not
13:54:53 <lisbeths> can I not what
13:54:56 <isabella> that
13:55:01 <lisbeths> can you be more specific
13:55:13 <lisbeths> do you want me not to speak to you?
13:55:23 <isabella> you keep vomiting your line noise onto me in every channel we share
13:55:28 <isabella> like
13:55:33 <isabella> no offence but please don't
13:55:40 <lisbeths> alot of people share alot of channels it isnt something personal
13:56:45 <lisbeths> only this one was directed at you 5:54 AM
13:56:56 <isabella> yep so maybe don't
13:57:10 <lisbeths> ah so you are saying you dont want me to ping you. thats fine I will just /ignore you
13:57:48 <int-e> isabella: Hmm I don't know what you mean by "0 in the lowest byte"
13:58:14 <isabella> from my understading, the syscall takes a signal in the lowest byte of the first argument
13:58:25 <isabella> and that signal is delivered to the parent when the child dies
13:58:31 <isabella> but if it's 0, no signal is delivered
13:58:35 <isabella> does that auto reap?
13:59:09 <isabella> i don't know, can i make it autoreaped?
13:59:28 <int-e> isabella: the zombies record exit codes that can be queried by the parent (or parent of parent if the parent dies, etc)
13:59:51 <int-e> it's a pretty integral part of posix process semantics
14:00:12 <int-e> that said I'm not even sure whether that causes your delays
14:00:35 <isabella> Can I not avoid that at all
14:00:42 <int-e> I don't think you can
14:00:52 <int-e> you *could* stop forking without abandon of course
14:03:11 <isabella> My first version was simpler but slower
14:03:20 <isabella> Because no clone_vm
14:03:43 <isabella> There's probably a way to do clone_vm without writing it in asm 
14:05:29 <int-e> to my mind the thing you're running into is that creating processes is expensive
14:05:32 * int-e shrugs
14:05:42 <isabella> Yeah no I get that
14:05:50 <isabella> I just want to get rid of the pauses 
14:06:10 <int-e> Heck maybe it runs out of zeroed pages and refilling those is why it pauses.
14:06:29 <isabella> Clone_vm
14:06:33 <isabella> No new pages
14:07:03 <int-e> ah
14:08:35 <int-e> I mean, the way you avoid having to reap processes is by using threads.
14:09:06 <isabella> This was meant to be annoying to stop once it's running
14:09:24 * int-e shrugs
14:16:51 <isabella> A friend tried it on openrc and it doesn't pause 
14:17:10 <isabella> So maybe my systemd is slow at reaping
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16:23:47 <isabella> so i fixed the stalls
17:30:23 <int-e> isabella: did you figure out a cause? or did you just tweak things until they went away?
17:33:29 <isabella> It's systemd being slow at the one thing an init is required to
17:33:37 <isabella> *do
17:33:58 <int-e> okay
17:34:24 <isabella> It's a bit faster too 
17:34:33 <isabella> 99 bottles of beer in 7s
17:36:08 <isabella> I also tried some alternative syscalls to measure a baseline
17:36:43 <isabella> Sched_yield is like 60x faster
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18:44:22 <isabella> i think it's not too far from a forkbomb
18:44:35 <isabella> except it doesn't explode in resource usage
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18:44:55 <isabella> it just keeps running away and doing the bare minimum amount of work on each step
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21:00:37 <APic> G'Night
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