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07:36:32 <esolangs> [[Crest]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=153218&oldid=153215 * Camto * (+74) Examples link
07:37:23 <esolangs> [[Crest]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=153219&oldid=153218 * Camto * (+39) Tabs to spaces in code
07:40:19 <esolangs> [[Crest/Examples]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=153220 * Camto * (+6392) Create the page
07:42:47 <esolangs> [[Crest/Examples]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=153221&oldid=153220 * Camto * (+23) The category
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08:37:43 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=153222&oldid=153139 * BrainFuckGirl * (+0) /* Commands */
08:42:12 <esolangs> [[Fish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=153223&oldid=152854 * BrainFuckGirl * (+0) /* Hello, world! */
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11:01:41 <esolangs> [[Fontmess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=153224&oldid=153201 * PrySigneToFry * (+202) Reformat the page. And "output" command is very important, if only with the original command it won't be able to golfing.
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11:25:07 <wib_jonas> ais523 re https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2025-02.html#lpAb , given sequentially consistent atomic memory access (accesses are totally ordered and see every earlier write but no later ones), how do you make a mutex.
11:25:12 <wib_jonas> Flag cell starts from 0. When first thread wants to lock, it waits until the flag is 0, increments flag, tests flag, if zero then decrements flag and restarts, otherwise it has the lock and will have to decrement flag to unlock.
11:25:17 <wib_jonas> When second thread wants to lock, it just decrements the flag then waits until it's nonzero, at which point it has the lock and will have to increment flag to unlock.
11:25:21 <wib_jonas> You can do this with two separate cells instead, with only one thread ever writing each. Both flag A and B are normally 0.
11:25:25 <wib_jonas> When first thread wants to lock, it waits until flag B is zero, increments A, tests B, if nonzero then decrements A and restarts, otherwise has the lock now and will have to decrement to unlock.
11:25:28 <wib_jonas> When second thread wants to lock, it increments B then waits until A is zero, has the lock and will decrement B to unlock.
11:25:33 <wib_jonas> And I think you can extend that to any constant number of threads.
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16:10:45 <korvo> b_jonas: I was thinking about a similar approach. The problem is that, in case of contention, there's no resource but to try again; it could livelock while trying to pick up the thread.
16:10:55 <korvo> ...We might have to bust out the TLA+ for this one.
16:11:21 <korvo> ...I probably meant "there's no recourse", bad English idiom for not having any other options.
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16:17:06 <wib_jonas> korvo: if there's contention, then eventually the first thread will notice that the second thread set its flag, at which point the first thread will no keep its own flag clear, and the second thread will get the lock; or else the second thread will be too late and the first thread will get the lock
16:17:44 <wib_jonas> I don't think it can livelock trying to lock the mutex; it could livelock or deadlock in a higher level loop
16:18:16 <korvo> wib_jonas: Can't waiting for a cell to be 0 always livelock?
16:18:49 <korvo> I think I'm trying to use intuition on a combinatorial problem that requires case analysis.
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16:37:43 <wib_jonas> korvo: are you talking about the one-cell version in https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2025-03-04.html#lYf or the two-cell version in https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2025-03-04.html#l0f ?
16:39:28 <korvo> wib_jonas: The one-cell version. The two-cell version seems like it could have a similar issue, maybe, but I think I'd need to actually hack out the TLA+ to see for sure.
16:43:06 <wib_jonas> one-cell version. so when the first cell waits for the flag to be zero before incrementing it, the flag cell can only be nonzero if the second thread decremented it to try to lock it. in that case, the first thread can't increment the cell until the second thread is done, so the second thread will be able to progress to where it locks the mutex
16:45:09 <wib_jonas> the other question is when the first thread increments the flag cell and then ensures it's nonzero, and restarts if it's zero. the cell can be zero only if the second thread has decremented it. when that happens, the first thread decrements the cell then restarts, but then the cell will stay at value -1 until the second thread unlocks, so the first
16:45:09 <wib_jonas> thread won't try to increment the thread again, it'll be stuck in the first wait.
16:46:58 <wib_jonas> you can get a livelock at a higher level loop if a thread repeatedly locks and unlocks the mutex and so the other thread can't progress, and this can be a problem, but it's not really a problem with the mutex implementation, that can happen with any normal mutex
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19:15:16 <ais523> I do like the way you fixed contention, though
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