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04:36:19 <Sgeo> Watching a video about differentiation as an infinite matrix, and it shows that D^-1 * D != I, but D * D^-1 = I. This isn't possible with finite matrices, right?
04:41:54 <Sgeo> The video used D', I changed it to D^-1, but that's wrong of me, oops
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05:57:05 <Sgeo> https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/816863/matrices-whose-product-is-identity-but-do-not-commute finite matrices of different sizes
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16:50:35 <esolangs> [[W110]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155136&oldid=142529 * Corbin * (+624) Fix credits and explain what was done. This is a notorious case of plagiarism where we should thoughtfully avoid crediting the plagiarist.
16:50:46 <korvo> esolangs: Who proved that Rule 110 is Turing-complete?
16:51:14 <esolangs> korvo: Matthew Cook proved that Rule 110 is Turing-complete. He did this around 1998, after a legal battle with his employer. His proof involved demonstrating that Rule 110 could simulate a glider system, making it undecidable whether a given glider would appear.
16:51:35 <korvo> Ooh, that's satisfying.
16:52:05 <int-e> "He did this around 1998, after a legal battle with his employer."
16:52:28 <korvo> Yeah, I'm looking to see if I can find a reputable source with a tighter date.
16:53:37 <korvo> Also yeah, the bot got the causality slightly wrong. I'm told that Transformers don't really understand the ordering of words; it's yet another parameter which they only respect to a degree. If true, then very frustrating, since it means that implications are always coded incorrectly as bi-implications.
16:54:45 <int-e> https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4155086/wolfram-research-inc-v-cook/
16:56:17 <korvo> Haha, yeah, okay. I'm on-board with that.
16:58:59 <korvo> Nope, no good details there. But I can still cite it since it happened.
16:59:17 <int-e> TBH I can't even tell if that's the right Cook :P
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17:01:20 <int-e> Ah, this helps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Cook#Work_with_Stephen_Wolfram
17:04:37 <esolangs> [[W110]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155137&oldid=155136 * Corbin * (+250) Add another reference and rephrase for precision.
17:05:03 <korvo> Yeah. WP is being gentle to avoid getting sued, but here on the West Coast it's well-known that Wolfram is a plagiarist.
17:05:27 <korvo> The general understanding is that Wolfram wanted credit for everything his grad students did. Adjunctification but without a teaching load.
17:06:26 <korvo> As such, if there's anything in a Wolfram book like NKoS which isn't cited or credited, it's reasonable to assume that he plagiarized it from one of his employee-students, didn't pay them fairly, isn't going to credit them, and might well sue them for trying to publish honestly.
17:08:39 <int-e> I wasn't sure how the timeline fit together. Now I have a 1998 date for announcing the result, a 2000/2001 lawsuit, a 2002 book, and a 2004 paper, in a sequence that makes sense.
17:10:54 <korvo> Ah, yeah. And this is all over a decade after the mid-80s work that Wolfram *should* be credited for, like the Wolfram coding for the family that Rule 110 belongs.
17:14:10 <korvo> esolangs: Who proved that Rule 110 is Turing-complete?
17:14:39 <esolangs> korvo: Matthew Cook proved that Rule 110 is Turing-complete. He did so around 1998, after initially conjecturing its Turing-completeness in 1985. Cook's proof involved demonstrating that Rule 110 could simulate a glider system, where the outcome of a glider's movement is undecidable.
17:15:01 <korvo> Amazing! Even more wrong.
17:15:22 <korvo> Feel free to poke at this. I'm done editing for now, I think.
17:15:38 <int-e> I mean it's technically possible I guess? Cook turned 15 in 1985
17:16:02 <int-e> I don't interact with LLMs if I can help it.
17:19:05 <korvo> I gave consulting advice to a few RAG startups a few years ago. The biggest lesson I learned was that a RAG pipeline needs a good language model (which is expensive) and good input data (which requires work); this is also why most of those startups cratered.
17:19:41 <int-e> . o O ( I only use rags for cleaning. )
17:19:59 <int-e> (I did look up the acronym the other day.)
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17:25:53 <fizzie> I should probably stick the [LLM] prefix in the output per https://libera.chat/news/llm-etiquette -- and add some botloop avoidance to the general output format.
17:26:04 <fizzie> FTR, if the bot produces an answer in less than a minute, chances are there was no or very little esowiki sources involved in the response.
17:26:22 <fizzie> Though looks like for that query it has in fact generated "Rule 110 Turing complete" as the wiki search query, found the pages "Shorter code Burn", "W110", "CA-1" as a result, and fed all three articles in as-is since they were all short enough.
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19:04:46 <korvo> https://gist.github.com/MostAwesomeDude/f31eff9e483a9e0223f14fb629c55755 I have made three conjectures, apparently.
19:05:00 <korvo> First one is "if it weren't for call/return — if it weren't for general recursion — we could compile to classic CPUs via superoptimization"
19:05:15 <korvo> Third one is "when we want to refine a function by choosing an algorithm which isn't going to overflow the stack at runtime, we can't do it merely by inspecting the function's structure and deterministically assigning a pile of loops to it"
19:11:29 <korvo> I don't know if I have a further point. I feel like I've sketched why Brand P, Brand A, and Brand F are different ways of building systems, and also why everything tends towards Brand A. I don't know if I have any interesting insights though. For all I know, it's all bunk.