00:06:31 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * ItsZer0here * New user account 00:09:46 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:32:05 [[EsoEnglish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155689&oldid=155681 * Darkloyd255 * (+553) Added more detail. 01:44:29 [[Talk:4gn/]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155690 * I am islptng * (+648) Created page with "what to do with opus magnum --~~~~" 01:48:10 [[User talk:Hotcrystal0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155691&oldid=155661 * I am islptng * (+652) /* Collaboration? */ 02:32:31 [[Talk:PAL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155692&oldid=155059 * Cycwin * (+45) /* Noooo */ new section 02:36:18 [[User talk:I am islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155693&oldid=155542 * Cycwin * (+131) /* ... */ new section 02:49:26 [[User talk:I am islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155694&oldid=155693 * Cycwin * (+16) /* ... */ 03:18:46 -!- lisbeths has joined. 04:16:07 -!- amadaluzia has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:44:42 [[User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155695&oldid=155662 * PrySigneToFry * (+27) 05:02:40 [[EternalGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155696&oldid=155242 * PrySigneToFry * (+208) 05:33:16 [[EternalGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155697&oldid=155696 * PrySigneToFry * (+37) 06:29:36 [[StormScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155698&oldid=155409 * I am islptng * (+15) 06:32:02 [[Talk:Burn]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155699&oldid=155610 * Ais523 * (+1255) /* Thoughts */ more thoughts 07:00:48 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 07:02:41 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 07:04:53 -!- lisbeths has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:08:02 [[LPeg]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155700 * Corbin * (+1179) Stub for a parser. 07:18:19 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 07:19:00 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 07:19:42 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 07:33:25 [[META II]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155701 * Corbin * (+1618) Stub for the original metacompiler. 07:49:07 [[META II]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155702&oldid=155701 * Corbin * (+712) Add a couple clarifying paragraphs that I'm sure won't confuse anybody~ 08:11:31 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:04:04 [[HAPPA]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155703 * RixTheTyrunt * (+1938) Created page with "HAPPA is a 2D esolang in which you control a "buggy". In HAPPA, you can configure where the "buggy" starts, the horizontal velocity (going left/right) but NOT the horizontal velocity (up/down, default is always down). It is sort of like [[Befunge]], however the "bug 09:11:45 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155704&oldid=155682 * RixTheTyrunt * (+12) /* H */ 09:12:52 [[HAPPA]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155705&oldid=155703 * RixTheTyrunt * (+64) 09:49:51 [[User talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155706&oldid=153654 * PrySigneToFry * (+112) /* Worse news */ new section 09:52:17 [[BitChanger Busy beaver/Proof]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155707&oldid=155079 * C++DSUCKER * (+18080) 09:53:36 [[BitChanger Busy beaver/Proof]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155708&oldid=155707 * C++DSUCKER * (+11) 10:01:46 -!- lisbeths has joined. 10:22:38 -!- ski has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:22:38 -!- alec3660 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:22:52 -!- ski has joined. 10:24:07 -!- alec3660 has joined. 10:32:18 Hi 11:19:29 [[User:I am islptng/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155709&oldid=155235 * PrySigneToFry * (+0) 11:24:40 [[Yoctostack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155710&oldid=92336 * Otesunki * (+502) add example implementation 11:29:42 [[PAGENAME]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155711&oldid=137471 * Cycwin * (+687) 11:47:01 . o O ( Is there any logic to when YT adds a &pp=garbage argument to its links? ) 11:53:47 . o O ( Every time there's a question like that I'm really tempted to go figure it out, but it's perfectly pointless because I couldn't then say anything about it... ) 11:58:41 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 11:59:51 Yeah and it's invisible to most people anyway so Google probably won't ever talk about it. 12:02:06 how do you say in english to follow a hyperlink, but make it sound like a sci-fi/fantasy hyperspace jump? 12:07:03 [[PAGENAME]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155712&oldid=155711 * Cycwin * (+124) 12:07:42 Establishing a link, riding the waves, entering a portal into the public portion of a corporate network 12:08:38 (This isn't an answer, I'm brainstorming a bit. I don't really recall phrases for this kind of thing, say from Neuromancer.) 12:09:53 The thing is, from a 1990s point of view "following a hyperlink" sounds very futuristic and sci-fi-like. 12:10:46 But the novelty wore off and now this particular phrase is in everyday use and it's no longer sci-fi so... are you even asking a fair question? :-) 12:11:08 Did HyperCard call cross-card transitions hyperlinks? Can't remember. (It's from the 80s.) 12:12:44 I guess entering a web portal hasn't really caught on (with everything-app web portals like Yahoo! being supplanted by search engines) 12:13:17 Ooh, Internet Archive has emulated HyperCard stacks: https://blog.archive.org/2017/08/11/hypercard-on-the-archive-celebrating-30-years-of-hypercard/ 12:14:28 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperCard ..love the use of present tense in the first paragraph 12:14:47 LOL "HyperCard was created by Bill Atkinson following an LSD trip." 12:15:53 https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/1999/03/03/macromedia-flashdance always comes to my mind when there's talk about... well, not the early web, but the thing after that, I guess. 12:16:29 Does Hypnospace Outlaw have a fancy alternate-reality term for following a hyperlink? 12:17:01 Users build or modify stacks by adding new cards. . o O ( are those collectibles too? ) 12:17:25 This feels like something I should know about but also it was Apple so maybe that's why I don't. 12:18:15 I had some classmates in the Macintosh camp so I got a bit exposed that way, and then there's the Myst connection. 12:19:23 (Not an actual physical camp.) 12:19:30 There is a Myst connection? (I played it on PC. I watched the making of and I know they used a lot of Apples but they talked mostly about 3D modelling and raytracing, and a bit about how they found that adding sound really improved immersion) 12:19:51 Myst was a big HyperCard stack. 12:20:38 "HyperCard continued to be popular and used for a widening range of applications, from the game The Manhole, an earlier effort by the creators of Myst, to corporate information services." -- close enough 12:22:07 There's a story somewhere on the web on how they got Myst to be in color, something HyperCard didn't support in an official way until very very late. 12:22:48 https://github.com/myst-lang/myst/blob/master/BYTECODE_REFERENCE.md (getting on topic :P) 12:23:02 Oh, maybe even "never" rather than "very late"? According to https://orangejuiceliberationfront.com/how-hypercard-got-its-color-back/ 12:23:49 I seem to recall that they wanted Myst to be portable. Not sure, my memory isn't too reliable and I don't know how I'd readily verify that claim. 12:24:40 Ah, it's only the never-released HyperCard 3.0 that would have had standard color support. 12:24:41 (that Myst is, of course, a different Myst) 12:25:01 (But Myst had some sort of virtual machine at its core.) 12:26:01 int-e: "now this particular phrase is in everyday use" => I disagree, "hyperlink" is no longer in everyday use, people other than us oldies just call them a "link", which sounds much less futuristic. the word "hyperlink" is falling off use so much that we can now resue it for sci-fi/fantasy, with futuristic spaceships opening a "hyperlink" instead of a portal or wormhole or stargate or hyperspace bypass 12:26:36 b_jonas: well yeah I'm equating hyperlink and link, and I usually say "link" 12:27:19 (Depending on context obviously because "link" has other meanings. Though I guess if "link" is ambiguous I'll say "URL") 12:27:42 sure, but "link" sounds less sci-fi/fantasy unless it's Link from Legend of Zelda, or a psychic 12:27:49 `card-by-name Spirit Link 12:27:51 Spirit Link \ W \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant creature (Target a creature as you cast this. This card enters the battlefield attached to that creature.) \ Whenever enchanted creature deals damage, you gain that much life. \ LE-U, 4E-U, 5E-U, 6E-U, 7E-U, 8ED-U, 9ED-U, 10E-U 12:27:56 But "URL" is *not* a good sci-fi term. :) 12:29:37 fortunately the "hyper" part from "hypertext" or "hyperlink" is immortalized in techical contexts in abbreviations like "href" and "http" and "html" 12:31:18 and "urchin" is immortalized in utm_* 12:40:49 I've no idea what those are 12:41:16 [[Talk:PAGENAME]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155713 * Cycwin * (+25) what a weird language... 12:41:34 [[Talk:PAGENAME]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155714&oldid=155713 * Cycwin * (+2) 12:59:47 [[User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155715&oldid=155695 * Hotcrystal0 * (+6) 13:41:07 [[User:PkmnQ/common.css]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155716 * PkmnQ * (+64) will I regret this later? who knows 14:18:55 [[Stackowey]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155717&oldid=155621 * Lampe2020 * (+3494) Defined the language, added a bunch of additional info and refactored the entire page 14:24:36 [[Stackowey]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155718&oldid=155717 * Lampe2020 * (+7) Make it clear that C++ and JavaScript are not reference implementations but languages used for those 14:29:48 int-e: While I don't know for sure, I would guess that there is a learned parameter which measures how likely you are to watch the video without sharing it. In that case, the tracking parameter can deanonymize you in Google's GAIA database. 14:31:14 I've been wondering what "pp" stands for. I bet "si" stands for "search index" or "search iota" or similar; it only shows up on videos from search results. 14:31:34 Well I'm coming at them with no cookies and the local storage disappears every day so they should do that for all the videos. ;) 14:31:52 my guess was "share id" 14:32:05 updated from "session id" 14:32:41 I've seen a guess that "pp" was for "player params" but that makes no sense and probably made no sense when the guess was made. 14:33:28 One way or another, they build profiles. YT knows what kinds of videos an IP address likes, knows what the browser fingerprints are inside a household, etc. 14:33:43 it could be "profile picture" ;-) 14:33:46 "player", "profile", "personal", "parameter", "preference", etc. 14:34:10 I did in fact look up the protobuf that parameter is a serialized form of, but can't comment. 14:34:14 (I'm being silly) 14:34:30 fizzie: I'm sorry 14:34:41 hehe 14:35:02 fizzie: you said more or less the same thing about udm=14 ;) 14:36:28 I guess it's probably okay to reveal that "player params" isn't far off, and that there were some bugs complaining how that particular proto is a mismash of all kinds of (internal and external) things in it and should be split, but nobody's gone through the trouble of doing that. 14:37:07 heh I like "mismash" (but assume it was mishmash) 14:37:09 fizzie: See, this is why working in CorpEng was great. The only products I can't talk about are internal and mostly dead now. 14:37:38 I don't work in YouTube, though, I just like taking a peek. 14:37:40 I wonder if my NDA prevents me from encouraging folks to disassemble protobufs and do other reverse-engineering. I'll have to ask my lawyer. 14:37:46 Off for a walk now. 14:38:30 "if"? "whether", really. English is so difficult. 14:38:58 they have iffy wheather 14:46:10 [[Stackowey]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155719&oldid=155718 * Lampe2020 * (-2) Remove redlink 15:10:30 [[4gn/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155720&oldid=155684 * JIT * (+12) 15:11:53 [[Pseudocode (College Board)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155721 * Stkptr * (+3796) create 15:12:33 [[Pseudocode (College Board)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155722&oldid=155721 * Stkptr * (+14) 15:13:00 [[Coral (zyBooks)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155723&oldid=155205 * Stkptr * (+25) 15:14:45 [[Pseudocode (College Board)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155724&oldid=155722 * Stkptr * (+6) 15:15:32 [[Talk:4gn/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155725&oldid=155690 * JIT * (+267) /* Pie Flavor */ new section 15:24:46 [[Counter clockwise]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155726&oldid=153082 * Stkptr * (+113) 15:28:50 [[User talk:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155727&oldid=150753 * Cycwin * (+150) /* Sorry? */ new section 15:31:18 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Akira * New user account 15:34:09 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155728&oldid=155688 * Akira * (+134) 15:38:12 [[LPeg]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155729&oldid=155700 * Stkptr * (+53) It should be able to recognize CSGs, i.e. it models LBAs 15:41:59 wait, what are these pp parameters? I know google maps sometimes adds extra parameters, but how do I get one from youtube? 15:42:20 I probably saw one at some point in youtube too but don't remember how 15:42:44 oh, now I see one 15:43:02 and their value is short 15:49:59 [[User:PkmnQ/common.css]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155730&oldid=155716 * PkmnQ * (+11) 15:54:49 [[META II]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155731&oldid=155702 * Stkptr * (+827) It seems to model only CFGs 15:55:31 -!- amadaluzia has joined. 16:07:17 [[META II]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155732&oldid=155731 * Corbin * (+63) /* Syntax */ Reformat for readability. 16:12:14 [[Talk:META II]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155733 * Corbin * (+414) Explain the reconciliation I'm about to perform. 16:23:53 [[META II]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155734&oldid=155732 * Corbin * (+986) /* Syntax */ Explain how to use metasyntax. 16:46:38 [[Talk:META II]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155735&oldid=155733 * Stkptr * (+211) 17:04:55 [[BitChanger Busy beaver/Proof]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155736&oldid=155708 * C++DSUCKER * (+2897) 17:08:01 -!- craigo has joined. 17:13:21 I'm guessing the length will depend on whatever the reason was for getting one. 17:14:36 In the first 10 recommendations on my home page, one has a pp=... param that's 10 characters long. 17:17:25 Uh... 10 in base 16. (I can't count, apparently.) 17:40:43 -!- lisbeths has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 18:01:55 [[User:Ractangle/common.css]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155737&oldid=145536 * Ractangle * (+218) 18:03:38 -!- zzo38 has joined. 18:06:04 over a hundred possible fields? wee 18:07:39 [[Talk:HAPPA]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155738 * RixTheTyrunt * (+0) Created blank page 18:08:53 hrm didn't FF use to be able to display cookies 18:11:36 (I mean in the preferences where you can also delete them... I guess it's now only possible in the "developer tools") 18:36:12 I did not upgrade Firefox because of the stuff they often remove or otherwise change. Nevertheless there are some features I had wanted from the newer version (such as TLS 1.3) but not the other stuff. 18:38:49 [[BitChanger Busy beaver/Proof]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155739&oldid=155736 * C++DSUCKER * (+4681) 18:40:16 [[BitChanger Busy beaver/Proof]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155740&oldid=155739 * C++DSUCKER * (+7) /* Alternative proofs */ 18:47:25 [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * RixTheTyrunt * uploaded "[[File:HAPPA.png]]" 18:47:47 [[HAPPA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155742&oldid=155705 * RixTheTyrunt * (+314) 19:12:22 [[BitChanger Busy beaver]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155743&oldid=153602 * C++DSUCKER * (+343) 19:26:47 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:36:36 -!- tromp has joined. 19:41:00 -!- simcop2387 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:41:00 -!- perlbot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:43:13 -!- perlbot has joined. 19:47:03 -!- simcop2387 has joined. 20:10:18 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 20:22:21 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155744&oldid=155704 * Buckets * (+11) 20:23:02 [[User:Buckets]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155745&oldid=155683 * Buckets * (+10) 20:23:11 [[Spil]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155746 * Buckets * (+1493) Created page with "Spil is an Esoteric programming language created by [[User:Buckets]] in 2020. {| class="wikitable" |- ! Real Commands !! Instructions |- | 0-7 || Determines the movement, Push 0-7. |- | * || Toggle 0-7 to the Following Pseudo-Commands*. |} {| class="wikitable" |- ! Pseudo 20:25:25 [[Esorn]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155747&oldid=154443 * Buckets * (+2) 20:32:33 -!- tromp has joined. 20:51:22 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 20:53:54 -!- tromp has joined. 21:05:53 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 21:07:17 TIL that something called Hytelnet exists 21:07:35 (Saw a video about Gopher, then went to Floodgap's main site) 21:07:38 https://www.floodgap.com/retrotech/hytelnet/ 21:14:33 -!- tromp has joined. 21:25:12 [[BitChanger Busy beaver/Proof]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155748&oldid=155740 * C++DSUCKER * (+539) 21:43:32 [[Brit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155749&oldid=154894 * Dmiz * (+272) 21:43:41 -!- amby has joined. 21:44:50 [[Brit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155750&oldid=155749 * Dmiz * (+0) 21:49:01 [[Brit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155751&oldid=155750 * Dmiz * (+34) 21:53:53 I have now made five groups of cards which are not banned in Pseudo-Vintage, and two cards (Chaos Orb and Falling Star) which remain banned. (The latest additions are Attractions and stickers; however, many of those cards are acorn cards and those ones remain banned, but the others are not banned in Pseudo-Vintage.) 21:54:26 (One of these five groups contains only a single card.) 21:57:16 [[HAPPA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155752&oldid=155742 * Stkptr * (-75) IO is irrelevant for Turing completeness, and a Turing complete language requires bidirectional data storage (like a tape, queue, or pair of stacks) 22:05:59 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:07:12 five groups? (counting on fingers) un/acorn-cards; Ante cards; Shahrazad; dexterity cards like Chaos Orb; Crusade and six others. that's five, but didn't you say un-cards and five others? 22:13:19 maybe the mystery boostr playtest cards, or the few other earlier cards that were published by Wizards but weren't intended to be tournament-legal but also aren't technically un-cards? 22:35:33 The acorn cards remain banned. Some of them (and some (not all) of the mystery playtest cards) are legal in Extended-Pseudo-Vintage, though. 23:02:06 -!- amby has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:07:09 I love how Schaharazade gets her own category. 23:07:43 Oh, wow, it really is "Shahrazad". What a quirky spelling. 23:16:43 Yes, that is how the name of the card is spelled, and it is the only card in that category. 23:17:27 korvo: yeah, it's funny because Chaos Orb was more obviously a mistake to print, yet they repeated it with Falling Star 23:17:50 I think it is not the only place where that spelling is used but it isn't that common outside of Magic: the Gathering 23:18:10 but Shahrazad is so flavorful that if they tried to repeat the same mechanic with any other flavor it would look bad in comparison 23:18:54 zzo38: I know of the card but I've never seen one in-person. It's one of those names that gets mangled with each retranslation of the story. 23:18:58 so they didn't reprint it except as an un-card, and eventually they figured out Karn Liberated as a replacement that doesn't inherit the drawbacks 23:19:44 korvo: yeah, and sometimes M:tG has different spellings of a word on different cards 23:21:23 b_jonas: And it doesn't help that I played Hearthstone for a few years and I still have friends playing Runeterra. There are so many common one-color cards where I know what it does but not its MtG name. 23:22:01 korvo: that happens with Slay the Spire too. same name as in M:tG, very different card 23:55:15 I had tried to figure out how to define locales in Xlib and I found files in /usr/share/X11/locale/ with stuff such as "XLC common/xlibi18n _XlcGenericLoader" and I also looked at the source code for Xlib, but I don't know what "common/xlibi18n" is (presumably it is a file name but I don't know where it is expected to be found), and I cannot find the documentation relating to this.