< 1743466516 145485 :isabella!izabera@user/meow/izabera NICK :izacat < 1743466549 430341 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1743466549 501078 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1743466549 501171 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1743467752 649806 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Dhzb 5* 10New user account > 1743468547 668966 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-S)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154789&oldid=153862 5* 03BoundedBeans 5* (+132) 10Added Quassaunt > 1743468644 155551 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-S)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154790&oldid=154789 5* 03BoundedBeans 5* (+209) 10Added SATire > 1743469436 740608 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DotNetOISC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154791&oldid=129348 5* 03BoundedBeans 5* (+1245) 10Added ]]SET+TERMINATOR function > 1743469570 447253 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DotNetOISC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154792&oldid=154791 5* 03BoundedBeans 5* (+212) 10Added queue detail of ]]SET+TERMINATOR > 1743469663 292642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DotNetOISC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154793&oldid=154792 5* 03BoundedBeans 5* (-112) 10No need to delete bin/ directory three separate times in truth-machine > 1743470036 918705 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PrySigneToFry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154794&oldid=153255 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+1146) 10 > 1743470072 185439 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DotNetOISC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154795&oldid=154793 5* 03BoundedBeans 5* (+90) 10Clarified some aspects of gotos/labels > 1743470131 513748 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Twasm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154796&oldid=154784 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (-15) 10 > 1743470172 230431 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Twasm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154797&oldid=154796 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+12) 10 < 1743470515 716921 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1743471257 266583 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1743471312 78514 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1743471425 859191 :[iovoid]!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :nonlinearly separable > 1743472087 829029 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:CURRENTDATE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=154798 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+48) 10Created page with "{{CURRENTYEAR}}-{{CURRENTMONTH}}-{{CURRENTDAY2}}" < 1743472267 524927 :[iovoid]!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :iovoid > 1743473002 444689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Braindeadcpu14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=154799 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+743) 10creation of this shitty esolang > 1743473022 643193 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Braindeadcpu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154800&oldid=154799 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+6) 10 > 1743473231 667619 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Braindeadcpu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154801&oldid=154800 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+38) 10 > 1743473288 902035 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Braindeadcpu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154802&oldid=154801 5* 03Baldibacak 5* (+127) 10/* Commands */ > 1743473296 332101 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:April14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=154803 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+105) 10Created page with "{{#ifeq: {{#time: m-d}} | 04-01 |
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| }}" > 1743473304 915869 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ONE WAY14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=154804 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+404) 10/* Computational Class */ new section > 1743473507 75057 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:April14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154805&oldid=154803 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+2) 10 > 1743473966 244535 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Piet14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154806&oldid=151367 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+20) 10/* Commands */ > 1743474640 466250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154807&oldid=154747 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+26) 10/* T */ > 1743475067 838840 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154808&oldid=154807 5* 03Ais523 5* (-26) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/154807|154807]] by [[Special:Contributions/JHSHernandez-ZBH|JHSHernandez-ZBH]] ([[User talk:JHSHernandez-ZBH|talk]]) it doesn't make sense to have a language that is on the language list only on April 1, that isn't how lists work > 1743475073 994420 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brit14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=154809 5* 03Dmiz 5* (+2358) 10Created page with "Brit is are an esolang created to be cool looking
Brit are stack based and suport variables
you write brit code using tildas(~) and lines to separate commands, you need the bar (|) at the beginning of each sentence, which tells the interpreter to execute the line, i > 1743475534 659649 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HQ9+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154810&oldid=153159 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (-22) 10 > 1743476927 648830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tables14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154811&oldid=65726 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (-9) 10 > 1743477629 446230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154812&oldid=154746 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+0) 10 > 1743477673 888111 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154813&oldid=154812 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+2) 10 > 1743477710 380951 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154814&oldid=154813 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+2) 10/* Syntactic elements */ > 1743477757 11404 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154815&oldid=154814 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+4) 10/* NAND and the splitter */ > 1743477964 648516 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154816&oldid=154815 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+62) 10/* NAND and the splitter */ > 1743478113 472196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154817&oldid=152087 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+110) 10 > 1743478155 849037 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154818&oldid=154817 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+47) 10/* {{april|y|april fools|I made a template for april fools}} */ > 1743478170 52198 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154819&oldid=154818 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+4) 10/* {{april|y|april fools|I made a template for april fools}} */ > 1743478270 735453 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:April14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154820&oldid=154805 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+80) 10 > 1743478295 316340 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:April14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154821&oldid=154820 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+13) 10 > 1743478312 801967 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:April14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154822&oldid=154821 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (-13) 10 > 1743478414 587217 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:April14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154823&oldid=154822 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+27) 10 > 1743478448 791116 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154824&oldid=154819 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+81) 10/* {{april|y|april fools|I made a template for april fools}} */ > 1743478493 649737 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 M10 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03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+10) 10/* See also */ > 1743478818 444999 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Thue14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154830&oldid=154829 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+8) 10/* See also */ < 1743478908 477900 :FreeFull!~freefull@79.186.195.25.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl QUIT : > 1743479691 238409 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154831&oldid=154218 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+34) 10 > 1743479820 962384 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AREA14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154832&oldid=144230 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+0) 10Changed redirect target from [[JAGL]] to [[Just]] > 1743480045 396371 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154833&oldid=154201 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+26) 10 > 1743481770 826101 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 M10 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02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154840&oldid=154839 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (-13) 10 > 1743482912 229191 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154841&oldid=154833 5* 03Ais523 5* (-26) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/154833|154833]] by [[Special:Contributions/JHSHernandez-ZBH|JHSHernandez-ZBH]] ([[User talk:JHSHernandez-ZBH|talk]]) again, it doesn't make sense for a page to appear on a list only on April Fool's Day > 1743483038 285522 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154842&oldid=154834 5* 03Ais523 5* (+592) 10/* I made a template for april fools */ this doesn't seem useful > 1743484764 461175 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Zzo38/Game rules14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154843&oldid=134089 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+59) 10The HTTP server is currently disabled due to botnets but there is an alternative resource. < 1743484822 596838 :gAy_Dragon!A_D@libera/staff/dragon NICK :AI_Dragon > 1743485759 17403 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ifle-complete14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=154844 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+379) 10Created page with "A language is '''Ifle-complete''' if it satisfies the following requirements: # It must be [[plushie-complete]]. # It must be able to do all functions available in [[TM]]. # It must be able to do all functions available in [[HQ9+]]. # It must be able to do > 1743485849 678031 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ifle-complete14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154845&oldid=154844 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (-73) 10 > 1743485966 549200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ifle-complete14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154846&oldid=154845 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+23) 10 > 1743486073 295325 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ifle-complete14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154847&oldid=154846 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (-3) 10 > 1743486398 100476 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ifle-complete14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154848&oldid=154847 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (-11) 10 < 1743487298 920931 :craigo_!~craigo@180-150-37-38.b49625.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1743490483 374826 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:29bc:7fae:9d9f:d545 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1743491798 475261 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1743491799 489083 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1743491869 40190 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`learn The password of the month is outside the scope of this wisdom entry. < 1743491873 114768 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is outside the scope of this wisdom entry. < 1743491874 46551 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? password < 1743491876 318738 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The password of the month is outside the scope of this wisdom entry. < 1743491881 964023 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1743493209 141306 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Non-Plushie-complete14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154849&oldid=154424 5* 03JIT 5* (+35) 10 < 1743493772 615837 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1743494133 774332 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, I got the arrows the right way around: https://gist.github.com/MostAwesomeDude/f31eff9e483a9e0223f14fb629c55755 < 1743494201 157872 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :When I was ranting the other night, I was holding the symmetries inside-out and thus upside-down; I was looking at {4} and {1, 1, 1, 1} and saying that their cardinalities were 4 and 1 instead of 1 and 4. < 1743494244 898019 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But the principles still apply. The idea about compilers seems to make sense, although I'm a little sleep-deprived and maybe it's gibberish. < 1743494460 906600 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm gonna sleep on it, but I'm thinking about surjectivity. Last time, we talked about the BF fragments [>+<-] and [->+<] which perform the same copy/move operation and witness a commuting series of memory accesses. More directly, [-] and [+] perform the same memory operation up to get/put semantics; they both put 0 to the pointed cell. < 1743494536 187257 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is a sense in which compiling to a Brand A system *requires* symmetry breaking, even if one wants to argue that [>+<-] and [->+<] are technically subtly different in their micro-op ordering. > 1743494623 609809 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TEIJFOP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154850&oldid=154225 5* 03JIT 5* (-29) 10 < 1743495783 52932 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths < 1743496814 640057 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, now I'm thinking about Brainpocalypse II – as far as I can tell, the only symmetry of the numerical version is in which number you give to which cell – and the minimized version doesn't straightforwardly have even that symmetry < 1743496873 49090 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the BF-like <>+- version contains more symmetries, as you can add and remove <> and >< pairs as long as you don't go to the left of the starting location < 1743496912 319122 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a point at which removing symmetries from an algorithm makes a program, but I'm not sure which of those points it is < 1743496932 774922 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1743498534 380352 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154851&oldid=154407 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+1469) 10 > 1743498934 985571 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154852&oldid=154686 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+144) 10 > 1743499400 238111 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dhzb14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=154853 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+26) 10Created page with "# [[Rura|rura]] # 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does nothing ! prints!!!!!!!!!!!!111! ! is [[brainfuck]] [ and ] 1111 1, just 1 == Examples == === !1111 !11111 === !1111 !11111 (1st April joke) [[ > 1743521093 768967 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154899&oldid=154891 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+22) 10 < 1743521320 957598 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1743521541 862738 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:29bc:7fae:9d9f:d545 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1743521638 716654 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154900&oldid=154899 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+47) 10 > 1743521903 835277 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Cellular automaton14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=154901 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+278) 10Created page with "==Do cellular automata '''really''' count as esolangs?== For example, is [[CGoL]] really an esolang? Theres not really any output, unless you consider the next generation to be. ~~~~" > 1743521911 581862 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Cellular automaton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154902&oldid=154901 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-2) 10 > 1743522037 849934 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scratcholang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154903&oldid=147650 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+5) 10word fix, also its intended to be linked to on Scratch so used a clean name for brainf > 1743522071 973817 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scratch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154904&oldid=151657 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+2) 10 < 1743522514 349945 :ally_ok!~ally_ok@2600:4040:5cfb:5100:b94f:5c38:573:d034 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1743522767 675404 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:29bc:7fae:9d9f:d545 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1743522783 574537 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Cellular automaton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154905&oldid=154902 5* 03Corbin 5* (+482) 10/* Do cellular automata really count as esolangs? */ Yes. < 1743524036 773548 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1743524146 360892 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :nonlinearly separable > 1743524600 547371 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cellular automaton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154906&oldid=146197 5* 03Corbin 5* (+600) 10Reframe popularity for the world outside GoL wiki: the most important CAs are in biology and physics. < 1743524644 150960 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe it's just me, but I don't give a fuck that Wolfram put a number on a particular automaton. I care a lot more about the fact that some particular sea snail happens to biologically implement that automaton. > 1743524793 741085 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154907&oldid=154900 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+1466) 10 < 1743526056 74378 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1743526108 917047 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: so the "any quiescent configuration should be equally valid" in the cellular automaton article is wrong – it would allow you to use a quiescent configuration that, e.g., encodes a halting oracle and use that to prove the cellular automaton uncomputable < 1743526150 227589 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Which article, CA or GoL? The GoL article's freshly researched but the CA one was already like that when I got here. < 1743526158 341962 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the CA article < 1743526182 176493 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you were editing near it at the time – I'm not holding you responsible for it but thought you might have ideas on how to fix it < 1743526195 731112 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, okay. I'm afraid I don't know why it claims that, and it seems obviously wrong given that a Penrose tiling can carry a unary stream of (low-complexity) bits in its initial configuration. < 1743526251 787358 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm, so how *should* it be fixed? Should we define the concept of agar? < 1743526330 928531 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so this is awkward because a) it's impossible for the all-blank configuration to ever be TC if the CA is based on a regular tiling, b) for some CAs, periodic conditions may be more powerful than finitely initialised configurations < 1743526374 39594 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the equivalent problem for Turing machines (defining which initializations logically "should" be allowed) is one that I tried to solve for many years and eventually gave up on < 1743526408 522501 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, and (c) a TC CA doesn't necessarily have universal construction in the sense of being able to instantiate an arbitrary pattern. I documented this for GoL and I'm still chewing through what it means for our definitions. < 1743526463 170496 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that if you're treating a CA as though it were a programming language, there's no real conceptual issue with starting from a garden of eden or other nonconstructible state < 1743526474 935006 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :For TMs there's an easy convention that you may have seen before: point the set of tape symbols and set the starting tape to be constantly that point. Basically give it a natural zero value. < 1743526525 982916 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Then the complexity of stashing a predefined tape into the input program is precisely the Kolmogorov complexity of that tape over TMs. (For TMs of a given state/symbol count, I think?) < 1743526587 577089 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: yes; that's the "blank tape" starting state for TMs < 1743526623 737107 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, a TM that uses that starting state can't be fully Turing-complete because it can only run one program < 1743526627 678579 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yeah. I was hoping that phrasing would somehow unlock an analogy for CAs, but I'm not quite seeing it. < 1743526670 14909 :craigo_!~craigo@2403:5815:da48:0:a1aa:83b:a8a5:bab4 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1743526682 589308 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so normally TM proofs use either "finitely initialized" (i.e. only finitely many cells are not the blank tape element) or "periodically initialized" < 1743526729 629943 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or even "periodic, then finite, then periodic" (with the periodic elements stretching to infinity) < 1743526761 434201 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh. Can't a UTM just take two arguments on two input tapes, which WLOG can be one input tape? Or is that too fancy? < 1743526768 858156 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the rule 110 TCness proof uses a periodic-finite-periodic starting state, to implement cyclic tag – but in fact it implements sequential tag and the periodicity is used to create an infinite sequential tag program < 1743526779 556773 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: sure, but then the tape isn't blank < 1743526856 200100 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, this means that maybe the rule 110 TCness proof isn't actually proving the language does everything needed to be TC, as its control flow (the infinite loop around the program) appears to be inherited from the initial state rather than created within the language < 1743526904 414571 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wolfram's 2,3 Turing machine did basically the same thing but was much more controversial, because the control flow stolen from the initial condition needs two nested loops (with the outer loop determining how many iterations the inner loop has) and so the starting tape pattern isn't periodic < 1743526963 189156 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know how to resolve this disconnect, and all my recent TCness-of-Turing-machines work has been using finitely initialised tapes < 1743526970 152978 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, yeah, because what we're actually saying is that -- up to a Kolmogorov constant -- if the tape starts blank, then the program can finitely initialize it, or it can periodically initialize it with a cap that indicates how to extend it indefinitely later. < 1743527015 82788 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :We're not allowed to initialize the tape with an arbitrary oracle. It has to be something that can conceptually be encoded into the program itself. < 1743527031 555697 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: right, but this often happens in the context of trying to find the "simplest universal Turing machine" or "simplest universal cellular automaton" and in that case the Kolmogorov constant really mattesr < 1743527086 96131 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there's also the issue that, e.g., at least one Turing-complete TM exists, likewise at least one Turing-complete CA exists, but I don't think that should allow you to start from arbitrary computable tape states < 1743527344 773469 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, that's always fundamentally going to be a search for convoluted encodings, right? In the sense that a Turing tarpit isn't ever going to cede universality merely because you've prefixed an environment with some fixed bitstring. < 1743527418 17936 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that when we're trying to put inequalities onto an uncomputable function, we're allowed to use computability in our favor. That seems to be where the interesting inequalities come from, at least. < 1743527479 957478 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, the "convoluted encodings" is the primary problem, especially as what you permit in terms of encoding probably depends on what computational class you're trying to demonstrate < 1743527509 649636 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for TCness demonstrations I like "the encoder has to be primitive recursive" – that a) ensures finite output and b) prevents the encoder doing the calculation itself < 1743527560 9284 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sorry, I might be bleeding a bit; I'm reading a writeup about simulating neurons in agar, and they have the line, "a simulated [neuron] in a simulated [plate of] agar should behave the same way as a real [neuron] in a real [plate of] agar". A computable simulation shouldn't be an obstacle. < 1743527703 183768 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, okay, this might be a genuine philosophical branch. I prefer diagonalization! < 1743527815 283299 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So that might be why I'm leaning towards a two-tape presentation and flexible inputs; I'm not comfortable with a TM that can't take (two) inputs. < 1743527917 216194 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I/O isn't needed for Turing-completeness, so the second tape is only really needed for I/O-completeness proofs < 1743527940 22013 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...Now that I'm saying that... The complexity class P is defined via diagonalization. Time Hierarchy is used to expand linear-time to quadratic-time, to cubic-time, all the way up. Then it's used again to define PH. P is self-low and its reductions are also in P. < 1743528011 567591 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's the Church-Turing thesis that R is kind of like the ceiling of the same sort of hierarchy built on PR. (I call that hierarchy PRF but it doesn't have a common name.) Not self-low, so maybe computable reductions are the wrong choice. < 1743528032 946850 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But PR reductions are still the base of that hierarchy, and so maybe they're the right choice. Maybe they're the natural choice, even. < 1743528136 480955 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PR reductions are closed under composition, so R would be a category in the nice way, like P or NP under poly-time reductions. < 1743528322 622956 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I think that this suggests that "simplest universal TM/CA" is underspecified, because it's not an isomorphism-invariant concept under this setup: precomposition with a PR reduction will increase Kolmogorov complexity, as you noted. < 1743528381 617761 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I agree! that doesn't stop people trying to solve the problem, but (due to being underspecified) it does mean they can reasonably come up with different answers < 1743528415 370562 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or, as we say in category-theory land, they are doing "evil" maths~ > 1743528447 634601 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* 10moved [[02Afefoj-Flak10]] to [[o-Flak]]: closer approximation of real title > 1743528447 654383 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* 10moved [[02Talk:Afefoj-Flak10]] to [[Talk:o-Flak]]: closer approximation of real title > 1743528479 270685 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rotate-Flak14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154912&oldid=153674 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+5) 10Changed redirect target from [[Afefoj-Flak]] to [[o-Flak]] < 1743528559 79388 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:29bc:7fae:9d9f:d545 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1743528588 243202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Tautologylang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=154913 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+178) 10Created page with "Technically, every language fits the description for Tautologylang. Does that make them all dialects? ~~~~" < 1743528604 796593 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I like to work on precisely defined variations of the problem, such as "how many symbols do you need for a finitely initialised 2-state Turing machine to be universal, assuming that the halting behaviour needs to match and the initial state is generated as a computable function of the program to be run" < 1743528669 96004 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my current record for that is 14, incidentally: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/265539 > 1743528744 356896 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154914&oldid=154636 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+14) 10 > 1743528754 471356 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154915&oldid=154914 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-1) 10 > 1743528764 628592 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154916&oldid=154915 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-6) 10 > 1743528798 185012 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/CGoL+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154917&oldid=154296 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+7) 10 > 1743528890 245860 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154918&oldid=154916 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+59) 10 > 1743528900 698127 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154919&oldid=154918 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+6) 10 < 1743529456 959685 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:29bc:7fae:9d9f:d545 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1743530688 199444 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154920&oldid=154533 5* 03H33T33 5* (+232) 10 < 1743531118 255934 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :“ for TCness demonstrations I like ‘the encoder has to be primitive recursive’” => ok, but you have to clarify what that means when you're initializing an infinite background pattern. < 1743531300 736402 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: blank (i.e. all the same symbol) everywhere outside the PR output < 1743531334 4896 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :periodic seems to give too much power, often by allowing you to implement sequential tag rather than cyclic tag < 1743531404 13125 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for one that doesn't sound cheating, there's the Nopfunge thing that fills the quarter-plane periodically, with periodic near the edges too < 1743531634 983861 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on a different note, Tom7 has revealed what geometry conjecture he was working on, and I very much understand its nerdsniping potential < 1743532334 164752 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I see Nopfunge and its derivatives as more of a demonstration of *why* that should be considered cheating < 1743532348 409555 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<^>v logically "shouldn't" be Turing-complete > 1743532826 722950 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154921&oldid=154810 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10no > 1743533022 542811 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154922&oldid=154862 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-138) 10!!!!! > 1743533147 515758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154923&oldid=154429 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+16) 10testing > 1743533157 960666 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154924&oldid=154923 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+77) 10 > 1743533220 862369 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154925&oldid=154924 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-93) 10 > 1743537328 234094 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154926&oldid=154865 5* 03Buckets 5* (+61) 10 < 1743537341 890789 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:29bc:7fae:9d9f:d545 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1743537355 288643 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Buckets14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154927&oldid=154748 5* 03Buckets 5* (+60) 10 > 1743537370 251772 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EIGHT EGGS14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=154928 5* 03Buckets 5* (+1412) 10Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=EIGHT EGGS}} EIGHT EGGS is an Esoteric programming language created by [[User:Buckets]] in 2020. {| class="wikitable" |- ! Commands !! Instructions |- | EGG ,EGG, 1743538540 756910 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: The cellular automaton concept was initially explored by **Stanislav Ulam** and **John von Neumann** in the 1940s, with **Alvy Ray Smith** formalizing it in the 1960s. While Ulam and von Neumann laid the groundwork, Smith's work is credited with establishing the basic principles and results for working with cellular automata. < 1743538760 757037 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was expecting the answer to be a lot less accurate than that < 1743538777 792945 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are at least two plausible wrong answers < 1743539348 905319 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :John Conway because of GoL; Martin Gardner because he popularized all recrational mathematics and people are often confused and think he invented more of it than he did; Gauss because he's always a plausible answer for who invented something in mathematics < 1743539447 45905 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :cu < 1743539660 526588 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Noam Chomskey can also be a suspect because of how he defined context-sensitive grammars < 1743540106 803527 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, are context-sensitive grammars similar to cellular automata in any way? < 1743540338 910389 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1743540404 201999 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: store symbols from a finite alphabet per cell and each step modifies symbols locally. < 1743540430 31362 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the difference is that cellular automata apply rules simultansouly everywhere, while context-sensitive grammar applies one rule somewhere locally at a time < 1743540481 651063 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, this is for one-dimensional cellular-automata, that's what context-sensitive grammars are similar to to be clear < 1743540498 162347 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also context-sensitive grammar are allowed to delete cells) < 1743540511 655387 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this reminds me of how the "check if a context-free grammar is ambiguous" problem is TC – there's a pretty simple construction which emulates what's basically a Turing machine directly (except that instead of a BF-like tape, it has a finite-length tape but one symbol can be expanded into two or more to lengten the tape) < 1743540571 406528 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the basic idea is that the potentially ambiguous input string (which the ambiguity checker is trying to find – you don't provide it) consist of a history of tapes, with a separator symbol between them, and every second element is written backwards > 1743540572 982308 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MetaInterpreter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154929&oldid=154864 5* 03Buckets 5* (+204) 10 > 1743540589 957847 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MetaInterpreter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154930&oldid=154929 5* 03Buckets 5* (+1) 10 < 1743540662 596148 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one possible parse is just a set of rules that treat tape symbols in the first tape like opening brackets and tape symbols in the second tape like closing brackets, with a separator symbol at the innermost point – you just repeat that with separators between them, and handle changes to the TM state and tape by moving a tape-head symbol around (sort-of like how you prove Thue and Thupit) < 1743540670 715733 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the other possible parse is the same but with the first tape hardcoded < 1743540717 996141 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you basically end up with the ambiguity checker running back and forth along the tape, changing the tape around the TM head as appropriate > 1743541003 798305 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:PAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154931&oldid=154886 5* 03I am islptng 5* (-132) 10 < 1743541159 28506 :FreeFull!~freefull@79.186.195.25.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull > 1743541195 582620 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154932&oldid=154855 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+86) 10 > 1743541357 449144 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Buckets14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154933&oldid=154927 5* 03Buckets 5* (+131) 10 > 1743543138 505391 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Buckets14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154934&oldid=154933 5* 03Buckets 5* (+72) 10 < 1743544216 10313 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: The bot had good RAG because I beefed up the CA article and also the timeline/history of esolangs pages. < 1743544237 159773 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fairly certain I'm the only on-wiki fan of Alvy Ray. A pixel is *not* a little square! < 1743544272 615884 :craigo_!~craigo@2403:5815:da48:0:a1aa:83b:a8a5:bab4 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1743544313 912863 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1743544357 891490 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:29bc:7fae:9d9f:d545 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1743544369 934442 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: Who invented the Game of Life cellular automaton? > 1743544417 636472 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: The Game of Life cellular automaton was invented by **John Horton Conway** sometime between 1968 and 1970. < 1743544898 743866 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: Who invented the Ant cellular automaton? < 1743544911 743008 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This might not hit without "Langton" but I'm foolishly optimistic. < 1743544993 762907 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yes, he doesn't fall into the same trap as I just did. there are two mathematicians called John Conway. > 1743545001 493984 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: The Ant cellular automaton was invented by an anonymous individual. < 1743545399 336903 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: Who invented the cellular automaton Langton's Ant? < 1743545471 515042 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also Melvin Conway, who wrote a very important paper around 1967 called "How do Committees Invent?" Famous paper that almost nobody actually reads or understands. > 1743545503 139037 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Langton's Ant was invented by Chris Langton in 1986. < 1743550297 724632 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1743551160 806294 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1743553012 910513 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:PAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154935&oldid=154931 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+263) 10/* I'm planning the support of strings. Ideas anyone? */ new section < 1743553811 515831 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a stupid esoteric idea. So you know how some websites try to display an email address in a captcha-like way where legitimate users can read it but spammers can't easily harvest many email addresses cheaply. This doesn't really work, because each email address is worth enough for a speedrun that they'll decode it unless you make the decoding so hard that legitimate users who want to email you get < 1743553817 522757 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :annoyed, and it gets especially annoying on websites that think any occurrence of an @ sign must be an email address that has to be protected this way. < 1743553982 464663 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But suppose you ignore those problems and you want to protect an email address anyway. I think a theoretically nice way to protect it is using a client-side script that computes a password hash to get a symmetric key that it then uses to decode the encrypted email address. The password hash is designed so that a spammer can't compute many of them cheaply, so this is proof of work. However, the decoding < 1743553988 473527 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :works purely on client side even if you don't allow to send any information from back to the server, so if a user is worried that the client-side script is just mining bitcoins for the server, they can easily verify that this isn't the case. < 1743554011 974549 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is still mostly useless because it's just a better way to do something that's mostly useless anyway. < 1743554992 946266 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :In fact this might be worse than average in practice (even if not in theory) because the spammers have access to bigger botnets of compromised computers to compute those password hashes on < 1743555255 761680 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also although the legitimate user can in theory compute the hash without leaking back any information to the server, in practice that's almost impossible and the server can likely still hide their best effort bitcoin mining operation behind this without the user noticing easily < 1743556277 288329 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :An alternative would be to just describe it in the text, it works without a script and won't hide something (since it is being handled manually, it wouldn't hide homoglyphs either). > 1743556486 933722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154936&oldid=154932 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+361) 10 < 1743557912 92548 :FreeFull!~freefull@79.186.195.25.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl QUIT : < 1743561413 877104 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :maeve (she/her) < 1743564766 2850 :AI_Dragon!A_D@libera/staff/dragon NICK :gAy_Dragon < 1743565675 183937 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1743565823 485527 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154937&oldid=154936 5* 03I am islptng 5* (-58) 10 < 1743566412 100694 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1743566520 926957 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse > 1743566644 701396 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154938&oldid=154937 5* 03I am islptng 5* (-33) 10/* Implementation */ > 1743566673 708817 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154939&oldid=154938 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+50) 10/* Implementation */ < 1743568981 74747 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1743569845 159443 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Would you be interested with a pokemon battle simulator implemented in C with a C API? I think that I would be, although I would want some help to do it. I have some ideas but would still need help with some stuff. (For one thing, if the API is done entirely wrong then it will have to be redone, and that won't do very well) < 1743570309 220504 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1743570413 319533 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: for some sites, you can just require logging in to see the email address < 1743570418 971001 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I guess that's less esoteric < 1743570430 440381 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION starts wondering what an esoteric version of that would look like < 1743570820 69563 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or, requiring to use telnet or something like that > 1743573171 853641 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TureGPT 5* 10New user account > 1743573429 838038 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154940&oldid=154852 5* 03TureGPT 5* (+167) 10/* Introductions */ > 1743573707 471528 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154941&oldid=154940 5* 03TureGPT 5* (-14) 10 > 1743573946 217935 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07By+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154942&oldid=138817 5* 03TureGPT 5* (+74) 10/* Commands */ < 1743575942 395755 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1743575951 330875 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07By+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154943&oldid=154942 5* 03TureGPT 5* (+507) 10/* Example programs */ < 1743575970 229811 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1743575985 606107 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07By+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154944&oldid=154943 5* 03TureGPT 5* (+7) 10/* Commands */ < 1743576038 984623 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1743576124 965736 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TureGPT14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=154945 5* 03TureGPT 5* (+83) 10Created page with "Haii! Me and my friend Raff made an esolang called [[by+]]. Thats.. about it lol :p" < 1743576671 761849 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1743577357 926115 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1743577865 737367 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1743578242 447608 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1743578285 945783 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1743579106 229801 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:JIT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154946&oldid=154555 5* 03JIT 5* (+29) 10 > 1743579140 348294 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MetaInterpreter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154947&oldid=154930 5* 03JIT 5* (+2) 10 > 1743580139 849738 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:JIT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154948&oldid=154946 5* 03JIT 5* (+3468) 10 > 1743580344 698529 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EIGHT EGGS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154949&oldid=154928 5* 03JIT 5* (+1) 10 < 1743580382 661528 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths < 1743581319 629599 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: i've given up on writing applications < 1743581355 411728 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :writing applications with user interfaces has become so far removed from what coding is actually about < 1743581883 419094 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :b_jonas > 1743584428 765552 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:I am islptng/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154950&oldid=154888 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+1782) 10 < 1743585917 275015 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1743586121 606339 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1743588688 171146 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi * > 1743590009 688174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ifle-complete14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154951&oldid=154867 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+2) 10 < 1743590738 947375 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have this idea for a dwarf fortress style game in the Linux terminal < 1743590748 680233 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are these little creatures that live in your filesystem < 1743590763 426186 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :such as goblins, boars, wizards, etcetera < 1743590771 218218 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :they wander through your filesystem battling and reproducing < 1743590797 171903 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :their reproduction cycle is limited by the amount of food you give them capping their population size > 1743591038 126082 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07THIS IS NOT A BRAINFUCK DERIVATIVE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154952&oldid=141656 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+464) 10 > 1743591062 913123 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07THIS IS NOT A BRAINFUCK DERIVATIVE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154953&oldid=154952 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (-464) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/154952|154952]] by [[Special:Contributions/JHSHernandez-ZBH|JHSHernandez-ZBH]] ([[User talk:JHSHernandez-ZBH|talk]]) > 1743591176 768117 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07One-Instruction Cyclic Tag14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154954&oldid=138946 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+20) 10Maybe > 1743591503 251940 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ifle-complete14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154955&oldid=154951 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+39) 10 > 1743592032 510003 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Unlambda14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154956&oldid=139064 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+177) 10 < 1743592763 387785 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1743593056 108955 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:GreenThePear/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154957&oldid=154628 5* 03GreenThePear 5* (+1650) 10Directions > 1743594635 363198 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03RayhanEsolang 5* 10New user account > 1743594737 350946 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154958&oldid=154907 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+41) 10/* Dexterimperae */ > 1743595323 965492 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/CGoL+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154959&oldid=154917 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-7) 10 > 1743595371 154917 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:I am islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154960&oldid=154486 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+53) 10/* CGoL+ */ new section > 1743598799 797593 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154961&oldid=154958 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+1) 10 > 1743598812 848204 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:MSFE++14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=154962 5* 03Cycwin 5* (+41) 10Created page with "Can anyone help me to know if it is TC..." > 1743599043 545374 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154963&oldid=154961 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+123) 10 < 1743601241 501129 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname > 1743603233 858136 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154964&oldid=154963 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+1) 10 > 1743603347 618110 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154965&oldid=154964 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+46) 10 > 1743606525 287367 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154966&oldid=154965 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+382) 10 > 1743607769 971902 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154967&oldid=154966 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+7) 10 < 1743607941 358418 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1743608029 253970 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154968&oldid=154841 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+11) 10 < 1743610659 787419 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1743612101 935508 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154969&oldid=154967 5* 03Dhzb 5* (-4) 10 > 1743612238 482237 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154970&oldid=154969 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+114) 10 > 1743613794 16479 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154971&oldid=154970 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+1518) 10Complete the lists > 1743615034 705665 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154972&oldid=154971 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+12) 10 > 1743615680 505845 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154973&oldid=154926 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+11) 10/* M */ > 1743616091 591689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154974&oldid=150839 5* 03Corbin 5* (+907) 10/* SKI calculus */ Spell out completeness. Anybody know who proved these? > 1743616255 309446 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed/Examples14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=154975 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+529) 10Created page with "== [[Hello world]] == (&Hello, world!)@ ("Hello, world!)>{=@ `,}= < == [[Truth machine]] == =_={@.}#` :.= == [[Cat]] == =@&`, == String sum == >&=`|\=+ =`<$.@ == Display color == This program displays a color using a string sum of the strings "red", "green", an > 1743616702 66166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154976&oldid=154972 5* 03Dhzb 5* (-524) 10/* Examples */ > 1743616952 686568 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unlambda14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154977&oldid=150103 5* 03Corbin 5* (+419) 10Infobox proglang, fix opening sentence, give example of syntax, sketch TC proof via LC. > 1743617085 192254 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154978&oldid=154976 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+19) 10/* Implementation */ < 1743617203 122121 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1743617260 939560 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:S and K Turing-completeness proof14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154979&oldid=35769 5* 03Corbin 5* (+478) 10 > 1743617721 613880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154980&oldid=154978 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+124) 10/* Implementation */ > 1743619049 960693 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154981&oldid=154980 5* 03Dhzb 5* (-8) 10 < 1743619194 580719 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1743619527 406500 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154982&oldid=122732 5* 03Corbin 5* (+507) 10Cleanup intro, fix external links, do some NPOV, match style on other concept articles. > 1743622164 774970 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed/Examples14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154983&oldid=154975 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+724) 10 > 1743622314 607890 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154984&oldid=154973 5* 03Buckets 5* (+11) 10 > 1743622347 120847 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Buckets14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154985&oldid=154934 5* 03Buckets 5* (+10) 10 > 1743622359 975345 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ebur14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=154986 5* 03Buckets 5* (+972) 10Created page with "Ebur is an Esoteric programming language created by [[User:Buckets]] in 2021. There is a restriction Where The Length per Line is Equsl to the Line number + 1. {| class="wikitable" |- ! Commands !! Instructions |- | -m- || The variable Name m. |- | /{n} || Name A variable > 1743622609 784697 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154987&oldid=154984 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-22) 10finish your language and then put it here > 1743622884 603474 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154988&oldid=154987 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+22) 10oops removed something > 1743622990 603024 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154989&oldid=154988 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-11) 10 > 1743623050 106680 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed/Examples14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154990&oldid=154983 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+14) 10 > 1743623051 834532 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154991&oldid=154968 5* 03Dhzb 5* (-11) 10 > 1743623484 549919 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154992&oldid=154989 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+11) 10nvm looks like it's done < 1743624399 105941 :ajal!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1743624456 99636 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1743624494 261385 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154993&oldid=154982 5* 03Corbin 5* (+2504) 10/* History */ Flesh out more history. There's still a narrative thread missing: *why* did the bubble burst? > 1743624639 277378 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154994&oldid=154993 5* 03Corbin 5* (+96) 10Cite that claim about Bhm. < 1743624677 980326 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1743624998 533442 :ajal!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1743625003 847634 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1743625418 873456 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1743625435 715959 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1743628078 977100 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1743628211 266391 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:MSFE++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154995&oldid=154962 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+574) 10 < 1743628310 133985 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1743628341 278479 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:MSFE++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154996&oldid=154995 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+24) 10 < 1743628704 87630 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good Night * < 1743632295 388454 :visilii!~visilii@85.94.26.83 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1743632337 437922 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1743632369 39955 :visilii!~visilii@85.172.76.90 JOIN #esolangs * :ZNC - https://znc.in > 1743635859 50651 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07L-system14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154997&oldid=154741 5* 03Stkptr 5* (+3420) 10/* Computational class */ > 1743636178 921042 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07L-system14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154998&oldid=154997 5* 03Stkptr 5* (+419) 10/* Computational class */ > 1743636200 297091 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07L-system14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=154999&oldid=154998 5* 03Stkptr 5* (+0) 10/* Computational class */ < 1743636327 943082 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1743636543 624177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07L-system14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155000&oldid=154999 5* 03Stkptr 5* (+348) 10/* Computational class */ < 1743637362 209607 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths < 1743639395 110331 :molson!~molson@172-103-21-94-dynamic.midco.net JOIN #esolangs molson :realname < 1743640315 428972 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1743640622 728590 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: < 1743640625 85184 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :u awaek < 1743640903 847031 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: Yeah. I saw your message. I'm tired of writing UIs too. < 1743640911 442632 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Frustrating that customers need UX or else we don't get paid. < 1743640921 847483 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have mental illness lol < 1743640932 400388 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically I've been imagining this dwarf fortress like game < 1743640938 902052 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :where these goblins live as files in your filesystem < 1743640952 526513 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and they roam your filesystem hunting and eating boars and reproducing < 1743641861 610377 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fun. < 1743641869 612884 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe not something I would install. > 1743646114 137817 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tpaefawzen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155001&oldid=154642 5* 03Tpaefawzen 5* (+65) 10Previous accounts > 1743648474 452449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03BigGreenHat 5* 10New user account < 1743650311 234739 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there software that can trace where a value that comes from input is eventually used in another program, to see how it affects certain outputs (e.g. to detect spyware and security issues)? Can such a thing ever effectively be made anyways? > 1743650820 825717 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155002&oldid=154981 5* 03Dhzb 5* (-143) 10 < 1743652304 838811 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1743652465 770038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just saw a definition of absolute value that allows for the absolute value to be imaginary. < 1743652471 895271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :(For split-complex numbers). < 1743652487 380237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :In high school I really wanted a way to have a negative absolute value. < 1743652510 335369 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I.. guess split-complex absolute values don't quite fit but my jaw is still on the floor < 1743654683 701597 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good times. I didn't get split-complex numbers for a long time. I recently was shown that they are like the hyperbolic version of complex numbers, which is cool but confusing. > 1743658134 308644 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed/Examples14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155003&oldid=154990 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+216) 10 > 1743658199 669083 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed/Examples14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155004&oldid=155003 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+12) 10/* Brainfuck */ > 1743659322 357492 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed/Examples14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155005&oldid=155004 5* 03Dhzb 5* (-6) 10 > 1743660590 850290 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155006&oldid=154939 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+17) 10 > 1743662170 347358 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155007&oldid=155002 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+77) 10 > 1743663638 999409 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155008&oldid=155006 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-2) 10/* Implementation */ > 1743663749 89495 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155009&oldid=155008 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+2) 10/* Strings */ unmatched brakets! > 1743663886 487810 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155010&oldid=151730 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-2) 10/* Stuff to continue */ < 1743664606 940016 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1743664639 929969 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1743664689 133113 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1743665044 754271 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed/Examples14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155011&oldid=155005 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+56) 10 > 1743665138 366112 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155012&oldid=155007 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+1) 10 < 1743666195 977439 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1743667154 53364 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds > 1743667789 696943 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07L-system14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155013&oldid=155000 5* 03Stkptr 5* (+579) 10/* Computational class */ < 1743668022 714899 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1743669524 95007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed/Examples14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155014&oldid=155011 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+307) 10 > 1743669570 516466 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155015&oldid=155012 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+18) 10/* Future additions */ > 1743670356 497972 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Semi-serious language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155016&oldid=154148 5* 03Dhzb 5* (+11) 10/* M */ > 1743672874 100165 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Emel not making esolangs.jpg10]]" > 1743672947 176106 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Queue-based esolang++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155018&oldid=154468 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+51) 10 > 1743674988 537560 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ebur+14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155019 5* 03JIT 5* (+919) 10Created page with "Ebur+ is just [[Ebur]] but better* and also an esolang by [[User:JIT]]*, 2025 also pi words including 3 {| class="wikitable" |+ it starts at 0 |- ! commands !! 2 !! 0 !! 1 |- | r || rotate right by 1 || rotate right by 1 || rotate right by 1 |- | ab || ath charact > 1743675023 119523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155020&oldid=154992 5* 03JIT 5* (+12) 10 > 1743675067 396459 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ebur14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155021&oldid=154986 5* 03JIT 5* (+29) 10 > 1743675096 913469 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Thue14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155022&oldid=154830 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (-3) 10/* See also */ < 1743676459 33618 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi > 1743678244 364132 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155023&oldid=154372 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+18) 10/* See also */ > 1743678340 37807 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/Draft of EtPL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155024&oldid=154675 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+347) 10 > 1743678346 96590 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155025&oldid=154991 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+50) 10 > 1743678383 132087 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155026&oldid=155025 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+43) 10 < 1743678484 83058 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname > 1743680152 386534 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155027&oldid=154490 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+5) 10 > 1743680327 768449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155028&oldid=153270 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1036) 10/* Apollo(PSTF) */ new section < 1743680556 279448 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1743681054 199022 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:I am islptng/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155029&oldid=154950 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+3237) 10 > 1743681406 731613 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:I am islptng/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155030&oldid=155029 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+135) 10 < 1743681749 695272 :dcreager!a9e780c4d1@2a03:6000:1812:100::136b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1743681749 959631 :ursa-major!114efe6c39@2a03:6000:1812:100::11f3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1743681750 557386 :ManDeJan!3da94070ba@user/mandejan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1743681830 268595 :slavfox!~slavfox@193.28.84.183 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1743681872 972433 :slavfox!~slavfox@193.28.84.183 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1743681894 800129 :dcreager!a9e780c4d1@2a03:6000:1812:100::136b JOIN #esolangs dcreager :Douglas Creager < 1743681898 227980 :ManDeJan!3da94070ba@user/mandejan JOIN #esolangs ManDeJan :ManDeJan < 1743681904 858845 :ursa-major!114efe6c39@2a03:6000:1812:100::11f3 JOIN #esolangs ursa-major :Bailey Bjornstad < 1743682748 869065 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1743682785 267150 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 QUIT :Client Quit < 1743685955 81121 :op_4_!~tslil@2a01:4f8:c0c:7952::1 JOIN #esolangs * :op_4 < 1743685970 323604 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped. < 1743686069 362231 :Lymee!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe JOIN #esolangs Lymia :Lymia Aluysia < 1743686126 620940 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1743686134 447760 :dbohdan3!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan JOIN #esolangs dbohdan :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1743686230 501334 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 JOIN #esolangs Taneb :Nathan van Doorn < 1743686242 461968 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN #esolangs * :Stefan Ljungstrand < 1743686265 71659 :Artea!~Lufia@artea.pt QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1743686265 134301 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1 - https://znc.in < 1743686265 225599 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1743686266 186754 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1743686266 425923 :op_4_!~tslil@2a01:4f8:c0c:7952::1 NICK :op_4 < 1743687062 171708 :FreeFull!~freefull@79.186.195.25.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull > 1743687792 991575 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07By+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155031&oldid=154944 5* 03TureGPT 5* (+2) 10/* Example programs */ < 1743687878 473931 :Arty!~Lufia@artea.pt JOIN #esolangs * :Artea ElFo > 1743688131 424587 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainknot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155032&oldid=154483 5* 03Mahdoosh1 5* (-3) 10optimized some code > 1743688308 961512 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155033&oldid=155020 5* 03Mahdoosh1 5* (+16) 10Add my own language to the list > 1743688699 786473 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainknot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155034&oldid=155032 5* 03Mahdoosh1 5* (+25) 10 > 1743688906 387628 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:MIX (Knuth)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155035&oldid=52436 5* 03B jonas 5* (+169) 10 > 1743689476 304239 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:CAPI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155036&oldid=154495 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+874) 10 < 1743689785 23898 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1743690003 729766 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tskastic14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155037 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+2105) 10Created page with "Tskastic is an Esolang designed by PSTF, inspired from [[Thue]], [[Brainfuck 2.0]], [[SLet]], [[UserEdited]], [[EternalGolf]] and [[Emmental]]. The official pronounce of this language is /|stik/, but you can also pronounce with /tskstik/ if you can't pronounce a < 1743690358 539658 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://368chickens.com/ is a cute diversion < 1743690478 661192 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought that'd have something to do with the Intel 80386, but it didn't. < 1743690509 833668 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah no clue why it's 368 < 1743690542 156028 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it could just track a highscore instead < 1743691448 216769 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1743691666 882595 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well if it's not connected to the intel x86 then 386 must refer to the number of members in the previous version of the parliament of Hungary from 1989 to 2014. < 1743691727 143683 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can tell that there are no other significant things that 386 could reference because https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_(number)#386 mentions none < 1743691740 853250 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there isn't even a full number article < 1743691871 663455 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :To be clear, the game's number is also 368, not 386. < 1743691991 456200 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1743692260 943412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1743692398 795086 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1743693495 142402 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1743693608 553100 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Apollo(PSTF)10]]": typoed page title, has since been renamed to the correct name > 1743693621 789870 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155038&oldid=155028 5* 03Ais523 5* (+128) 10/* Apollo(PSTF) */ deleted < 1743693666 439473 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1743693694 706360 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Is there software that can trace where a value that comes from input is eventually used in another program, to see how it affects certain outputs (e.g. to detect spyware and security issues)? Can such a thing ever effectively be made anyways? ← there are programming languages designed to do that, normally developed for AI/evolutionary programming techniques < 1743693748 246953 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the idea is that the language records the output effect of each input, and is able to reverse it, so that, e.g., it is possible to determine what changes to the inputs would increase or decrease a particular output; this is known as "differentiable" programming/computing < 1743693769 587027 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, it's only really designed for programs which implement a continuous numerical function, not for general-purpose programmingg < 1743695266 566521 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f90e:e520:180f:b437 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz… < 1743701034 30773 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:c12c:62c3:725c:e71d JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1743701409 950520 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:c12c:62c3:725c:e71d QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1743702240 446862 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1743702643 874705 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1743702679 179432 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1743704886 503493 :op_4!~tslil@2a01:4f8:c0c:7952::1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1743704920 996638 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 JOIN #esolangs op_4 :op_4 > 1743705507 67640 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deskin14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155040&oldid=82201 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+342) 10Supplemented a rule whose conjencture emerges from the two extant examples' divergent output behaviors, added titles to the example programs, introduced a hyperlink to my implementation on GitHub, and altered the Unimplemented tag to Implemented. < 1743706238 215730 :S7rayCat!~S7rayCat@74.94.35.113 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] S7rayCat < 1743706547 201409 :S7rayCat!~S7rayCat@74.94.35.113 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1743709502 599827 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1743709583 916129 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 JOIN #esolangs op_4 :op_4 < 1743709891 137266 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1743710350 167096 :slavfox!~slavfox@193.28.84.183 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1743710371 932485 :slavfox!~slavfox@193.28.84.183 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox > 1743711328 193707 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:GreenThePear/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155041&oldid=154957 5* 03GreenThePear 5* (-8) 10i don't remember > 1743711436 823021 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Larry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155042&oldid=139009 5* 03ArsenicCatnip 5* (+2153) 10added another implementation. Still gotta fix the intro < 1743717200 38156 :FreeFull!~freefull@79.186.195.25.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl QUIT : < 1743717282 407035 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :cu > 1743717868 75835 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Arrowey14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155043&oldid=131443 5* 03Lampe2020 5* (+199) 10/* Description */ > 1743717951 796296 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Arrowey14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155044&oldid=155043 5* 03Lampe2020 5* (+1) 10/* Additional stuff */ < 1743728355 147007 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement > 1743730739 357596 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:PAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155045&oldid=154935 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+65) 10/* RACTANGLE!TELL ME WHAT YOU DID WITH MY INTERPRETER */ new section > 1743733483 807383 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155046&oldid=154941 5* 03BigGreenHat 5* (+39) 10 > 1743733489 693877 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nah bro14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155047 5* 03BigGreenHat 5* (+2646) 10Created page with "Nah-bro is a [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:BigGreenHat]] Comments start with # Top value of the stack is 0 Uses the .nah file extension == Instructions == * (number) my ass # Append to stack * (index) go touch grass # Print * make (o > 1743733497 327323 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:BigGreenHat14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155048 5* 03BigGreenHat 5* (+3) 10Created page with "hoi" > 1743733699 620890 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nah bro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155049&oldid=155047 5* 03BigGreenHat 5* (+94) 10 > 1743735909 651167 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SeeLlash14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155050 5* 03AnotherUser05 5* (+4157) 10Created page with "'''SeeLlash''' is an esolang that is created by [[User:AnotherUser05]], which she finally wrote an interpreter for an esolang before making the page for it. ==Overview== The language is somewhat inspired by [[Brainfuck]], but only uses 2 values, which one of th > 1743736297 46508 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tskastic/Command Table14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155051 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+4250) 10Created page with "{{WIP}} {{Back|Tskastic}} We have a tape, several registers(like [[Apollo (PSTF)]]), an accumulator, a stack, and can manipulate memory. We use both base-10 and base-20. Here is the base-20 table: 0123456789. = Ascii = 
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> 1743785435 118887 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07W11014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155136&oldid=142529 5* 03Corbin 5* (+624) 10Fix credits and explain what was done. This is a notorious case of plagiarism where we should thoughtfully avoid crediting the plagiarist.
< 1743785446 769835 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: Who proved that Rule 110 is Turing-complete?
> 1743785474 120144 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Matthew Cook proved that Rule 110 is Turing-complete. He did this around 1998, after a legal battle with his employer. His proof involved demonstrating that Rule 110 could simulate a glider system, making it undecidable whether a given glider would appear.
< 1743785495 236891 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ooh, that's satisfying.
< 1743785525 117769 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"He did this around 1998, after a legal battle with his employer."
< 1743785548 417024 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I'm looking to see if I can find a reputable source with a tighter date.
< 1743785617 683091 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also yeah, the bot got the causality slightly wrong. I'm told that Transformers don't really understand the ordering of words; it's yet another parameter which they only respect to a degree. If true, then very frustrating, since it means that implications are always coded incorrectly as bi-implications.
< 1743785685 77626 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4155086/wolfram-research-inc-v-cook/
< 1743785777 690868 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Haha, yeah, okay. I'm on-board with that.
< 1743785939 318146 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nope, no good details there. But I can still cite it since it happened.
< 1743785957 600149 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :TBH I can't even tell if that's the right Cook :P
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< 1743785994 497704 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I can
< 1743786080 593357 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, this helps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Cook#Work_with_Stephen_Wolfram
> 1743786277 292942 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07W11014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155137&oldid=155136 5* 03Corbin 5* (+250) 10Add another reference and rephrase for precision.
< 1743786303 610137 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. WP is being gentle to avoid getting sued, but here on the West Coast it's well-known that Wolfram is a plagiarist.
< 1743786327 841848 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The general understanding is that Wolfram wanted credit for everything his grad students did. Adjunctification but without a teaching load.
< 1743786386 469816 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :As such, if there's anything in a Wolfram book like NKoS which isn't cited or credited, it's reasonable to assume that he plagiarized it from one of his employee-students, didn't pay them fairly, isn't going to credit them, and might well sue them for trying to publish honestly.
< 1743786519 178406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wasn't sure how the timeline fit together. Now I have a 1998 date for announcing the result, a 2000/2001 lawsuit, a 2002 book, and a 2004 paper, in a sequence that makes sense.
< 1743786654 841686 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, yeah. And this is all over a decade after the mid-80s work that Wolfram *should* be credited for, like the Wolfram coding for the family that Rule 110 belongs.
< 1743786850 613552 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: Who proved that Rule 110 is Turing-complete?
> 1743786879 625784 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Matthew Cook proved that Rule 110 is Turing-complete. He did so around 1998, after initially conjecturing its Turing-completeness in 1985. Cook's proof involved demonstrating that Rule 110 could simulate a glider system, where the outcome of a glider's movement is undecidable.
< 1743786894 272229 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :LOL
< 1743786901 691116 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Amazing! Even more wrong.
< 1743786922 675126 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Feel free to poke at this. I'm done editing for now, I think.
< 1743786938 761824 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean it's technically possible I guess? Cook turned 15 in 1985
< 1743786945 115104 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :;)
< 1743786962 311849 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't interact with LLMs if I can help it.
< 1743787145 753667 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I gave consulting advice to a few RAG startups a few years ago. The biggest lesson I learned was that a RAG pipeline needs a good language model (which is expensive) and good input data (which requires work); this is also why most of those startups cratered.
< 1743787181 500268 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( I only use rags for cleaning. )
< 1743787199 611649 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I did look up the acronym the other day.)
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< 1743787553 902745 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should probably stick the [LLM] prefix in the output per https://libera.chat/news/llm-etiquette -- and add some botloop avoidance to the general output format.
< 1743787564 50407 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :FTR, if the bot produces an answer in less than a minute, chances are there was no or very little esowiki sources involved in the response.
< 1743787582 110544 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though looks like for that query it has in fact generated "Rule 110 Turing complete" as the wiki search query, found the pages "Shorter code Burn", "W110", "CA-1" as a result, and fed all three articles in as-is since they were all short enough.
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< 1743793486 15053 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://gist.github.com/MostAwesomeDude/f31eff9e483a9e0223f14fb629c55755 I have made three conjectures, apparently.
< 1743793500 983258 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :First one is "if it weren't for call/return — if it weren't for general recursion — we could compile to classic CPUs via superoptimization"
< 1743793515 959281 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Third one is "when we want to refine a function by choosing an algorithm which isn't going to overflow the stack at runtime, we can't do it merely by inspecting the function's structure and deterministically assigning a pile of loops to it"
< 1743793889 153774 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know if I have a further point. I feel like I've sketched why Brand P, Brand A, and Brand F are different ways of building systems, and also why everything tends towards Brand A. I don't know if I have any interesting insights though. For all I know, it's all bunk.
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< 1743803643 945091 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1743803678 873462 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : First one is "if it weren't for call/return — if it weren't for general recursion — we could compile to classic CPUs via superoptimization" ← I have noticed something similar with parsers; interior-recursion is the only grammar feature that can't be fully analyzed through brute-force analysing all possible situations
< 1743803694 72387 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(where interior-recursion refers to a use of recursion that is neither head-recursion nor tail-recursion)
< 1743803905 568976 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder whether head-recursion optimisation works in general-purpose languages, or just parsers – the idea is that if a subprogram starts with a conditional recursive call to itself, you can first unconditionally run the case in which the recursive call didn't happen, and then check the condition
< 1743803907 201058 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I've never seen the phrase "head-recursion" before.
< 1743803935 196409 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just like tail-recursion optimisation, it changes recursion to iteration
< 1743803956 530979 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :If it's conditional I'm not sure I'd call it head position exactly. But maybe it's close enough.
< 1743803964 356149 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I think I may have coined the phrase, although it's an obvious parallel to tail-recursion
< 1743803972 522728 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, for sure.
< 1743803976 323193 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, it has to be conditional because otherwise you get an infinite loop
< 1743804020 876770 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, but unlike tail recursion, that really does move it out of head position.
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< 1743804039 294288 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Interesting. IIUC interior-recursion is *not* covered by the symmetry of recursion, but that could be because I didn't try very hard.
< 1743804074 982014 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, suppose a loop takes n+m iterations; we should be able to split it into an n-iteration loop followed by an m-iteration loop. And that corresponds to breaking apart a composite endomorphism.
< 1743804077 514804 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :let's see – we're replacing f() { if(x) f() else g; h; } with f() { g; while (was x) h; }
< 1743804098 84078 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, I see, the difference is in the timing of when the condition is evaluated
< 1743804112 233374 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in particular it needs to evaluate to something different at each recursive level, to prevent an infinite loop
< 1743804146 362844 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the reason this works so well in parsers is that in parsers, x is a statement about what will happen in the future, and so actually evaluating it in the future is easier than evaluating it immediately
< 1743804164 364918 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, what's a good concrete example for a parser?
< 1743804189 513026 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: so for parsing additions, you have a rule like expr ::= int | expr + int
< 1743804212 115127 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, I was imagining it's for a left-recursive grammar sort of thing.
< 1743804228 231376 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and this conceptually expands to a function "try a recursive call, if it fails, parse an integer, if it succeeds, parse that plus an integer"
< 1743804237 885976 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that definition requires backtracking which you want to optimize out
< 1743804260 296936 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, the completely naive thing here just recurses infinitely, right?
< 1743804264 643050 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the way you optimize it is by parsing the integer first, then looping parsing the additional integers that are added
< 1743804271 104331 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: if completely naive, yes
< 1743804286 578078 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the underlying mathematical model it doesn't, but that makes it hard to translate the model into a program directly
< 1743804290 668239 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's the backtracking version you're thinking of?
< 1743804321 701464 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I guess you have some limit on "the input must have this many tokens for the parse to succeed" – then the backtracking works
< 1743804342 453057 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, once you have 20 recursive calls the input has to have at least 41 tokens for the parse to be possible, you can use that to interrupt the recursion
< 1743804399 10778 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think parse_expr() { left = parse_int(); while (consume("+")) { left = left + parse_int(); } } is very natural, but I would normally think of it as a translation of a left-factored grammar, or something.
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< 1743804421 447048 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: right, that's the transformation I'm talking about
< 1743804437 363398 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's interesting because it's basically optimising a program that would be an infinite loop if compiled naively, into a program that runs correctly
< 1743804451 168993 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rather than as an optimization of a head-recursive function.
< 1743804457 700938 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure I'd call that an optimization!
< 1743804477 543354 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's an optimization, but I think it's an optimization in a different semantics from the one used for normal programming languages
< 1743804489 133012 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine a Prolog in which an infinite loop is a failure – I think it works in that
< 1743804515 274689 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, fair enough.
< 1743804538 73920 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in a sense, the parser is trying to find all possible parses, the ones that go into an infinite loop aren't possible parses so we aren't trying to find them and can optimize them out
< 1743804540 470722 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait, so what's the head-recursive code you would write for this? Is that in normal programming language semantics or in this other semantics?
< 1743804563 213019 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: it's in the abnormal semantics – I noticed it when working on parser theory
< 1743804573 194286 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Got it, OK.
< 1743804576 273103 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where the optimisation is a correct one, because of the semantics being different
< 1743804604 941804 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I was wondering whether it would work in normal languages too; and the answer seems to be "no, because in those languages you can't treat an infinite loop as equivalent to an exception"
< 1743804623 245621 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's interesting that the left-recursive grammar can be parsed n constant space but the right-recursive grammar needs linear space.
< 1743804640 676188 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1743804665 203451 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :LL(k) and LR(k) are well known classes of grammar, but I like to think of a third, LLL(k), which is LL(k) except that left-recursion is changed into iteration in order to get around this specific problem
< 1743804698 363804 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in a way, the reason that LL(k) doesn't handle left-recursion is that the semantics of the LL(k) virtual machine don't match the semantics of context-free grammars in that specific way
< 1743804728 73993 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :How is an LLL(k) grammar defined?
< 1743804802 898066 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's basically "whenever you have to make a decision other than the number of times to make a left-recursive call before continuing, you must be able to make it by looking at the next k symbols; whenever you have a decision about the nubmer of times to make a left-recursive call before continuing, you must be able to choose 0 or >0 within k symbols, but do not need to choose the exact value"
< 1743804843 773744 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is a little hard to express precisely, I don't think I got it quite precise there
< 1743805069 847323 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice, I haven't heard of LLL before I think
< 1743805107 106105 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :About https://gist.github.com/MostAwesomeDude/f31eff9e483a9e0223f14fb629c55755 it says "A Brand P system generally maps syntax to machine operations. As such, there is no way to reorder or shuffle around syntax without also reordering the encoded operations." However, some assembly langauges might have commands to specify start at different addresses and then go back.
< 1743805756 627911 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought of a very stupid pun because of the Tetris the Grand Master 4 release. So you know I've been thinking for a while of the hypothetical tetris game that you control by pressing one of ten horizontal position keys (home row) and one of eight rotation keys (above home row)? There are three input modes for it. In mode 2, the piece is locked when you release all keys – usually this is two keys, 
< 1743805762 636988 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but in simpler cases you can press just one key if you know it will do the right thing, or it can be three keys if you have to tuck a piece under another one. In mode 1, the piece is locked when you have released all keys and you have typed both a position key and a rotation key – you can press the keys one after another or simultaneously. In mode 0, the piece is locked only when you release the 
< 1743805768 649800 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :confirm key (space), which helps when you're not yet comfortable with the controls because it lets you preview where the piece will go before you commit. For a while I didn't know what to name these modes, but today I figured it out. Mode 2 is "chord mode" because pressing multiple keys simultaneously is called a "chord" by analogy with the piano; mode 1 is "coord mode" because you must give both 
< 1743805774 652184 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :coordinates, mode 0 is "cord mode" because the piece drops when you allow it by removing the velvet rope at the entrance of the fancy building.
< 1743805821 905973 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I guess I should spell mode 1 as "coörd mode" on this channel.)
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< 1743806160 744410 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even though it is confusing, I think that will do.
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< 1743808604 418352 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: Sure, I'm talking more about the ISA than about the assembler's meta-syntax and directives. I have seen e.g. script-driven assemblers and table-driven assemblers, and I agree with you that some of them are definitely Brand A systems in terms of complexity.
< 1743809206 231303 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: it is crossing my mind that the program/algorithm distinction probably depends on what the compilation is targeting
< 1743809237 538717 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the distinction between a program and an algorithm is that a program does not have symmetries that are not also present in the compilation target
< 1743809269 38301 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…also this implies that an interpreter can't be a program in your sense, unless there is only one possible way to write the interpreter
< 1743809340 48255 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on a different but related topic, I have been considering a language which allows directives that specify what implementation of something to use, in cases where the language specification allows multiple implementations
< 1743809356 248278 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i.e. the symmetries can be explicitly broken by the programmer, but the compiler chooses one if they aren't
< 1743809458 328528 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as a simple example, to convert SSA to machine code you have to pick an explicit order for the operations – but the processor converts it back to SSA again internally and runs the operations in parallel (as long as none of them write to memory and you don't have so many that the reorder buffer overflows)
< 1743809478 488441 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(assuming a modern high-end processor, that is)
< 1743809500 734468 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The CROSS JOIN command in SQLite forces the order to be what is specified, but JOIN by itself allows the query optimizer to change the order.
< 1743809676 296114 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(There is also INDEXED BY command, to force it to use a specified index, instead of deciding automatically what index to use.)
< 1743810482 117594 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Oh, yeah, if we're getting to like high-level moral suggestions then I'm thinking that there's still more work to do.
< 1743810536 721240 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would love to say something simple like "use Brand X" but I'm not sure that that's a coherent approach. I suspect it's more like "Brand P is inevitable, Brand F is ideal, Brand A is what we keep making"
< 1743810548 717801 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which leads to questions like "so why do we keep ending up with Brand A"
< 1743810605 488954 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because there are lots of things that are easy to express using algorithms but hard to express using functions
< 1743810622 440550 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Oh, another example is GHC's strictification analysis. Idiomatic Haskell starts out with one ordering, but then it's lost when lowering to Core, and GHC recovers an equivalent ordering later on.
< 1743810628 534579 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a compilation from functions to programs is likely to go via algorithms, and those features are so easy to add at that stage
< 1743810698 179785 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just look at something ilke Haskell unsafePerformIO, the semantics are hard to specify, and may cause symmetry-resolutions to be observable and thus cause the functions to not be actual functions, but it's easy to implement and so it exists
< 1743810731 863558 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And the only folks who stick with functions are the type theorists whose theories might not have nice computational analogues of beta-reduction, e.g. in homotopy and cubical type theories.
< 1743810731 863787 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for almost everyone, practicality will triumph over theoretical purity, despite the theoretical benefits from being pure
< 1743810740 502819 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you don't care about practicality then you are either a type theorist or an exolanger
< 1743810743 847785 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* an esolanger
< 1743810746 267304 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, bad typo
< 1743810770 262188 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ha, yeah. By zero coincidence, when I read through Coq's extraction to Haskell, I noted that it leans on GHC-specific unsafe IO.
< 1743810848 492647 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now, I think there is a big actual practical benefit from moving towards languages where the input is a true function – it makes it much easier to define whether or not an optimisation is sound
< 1743810863 552153 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also makes notions of program correctness easier to specify
< 1743810877 808264 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, I think for most people the benefit isn't worth the cost
< 1743810909 191651 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Oh, my second conjecture got eaten by my IRC client, and it's good too: "We can still superoptimize each basic block without worry, though." Like, I think that if we remove call/return instructions, we *can* meaningfully find optimal programs. I might go beyond that and suggest that some basic control flow can be superoptimized too.
< 1743810959 137339 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I believe that's trivially provable (for some types of language) via expressing the basic block as a finite state machine
< 1743810996 401004 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact, this implies that the problematic constructions are precisely those that allow for unbounded storage
< 1743810997 679454 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. I don't think they're hard conjectures. I'm not a magic visionary; I'm just going through Yanofsky's papers and finding so many gems.
< 1743811008 836987 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thinking about it, recursion on its own can't be the only problem because you can simulate it using iteration and a manual stack
< 1743811031 194906 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if recursion blocks some nice property, iteration + a manual stack must also block it
< 1743811043 79719 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think the offender here is actually the manual stack, due to being unbounded
< 1743811085 931760 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Recursion is only making it difficult to determine whether two programs/algorithms are equivalent. There's still obvious homomorphisms.
< 1743811111 313245 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :They're just not very good. Like, they can't even promise that the stack won't overflow.
< 1743811162 415163 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(on a side note, I *hate* the way that programming languages try to limit stack use, in preference to using the heap for big recursions – this seems to me to be arbitrarily inefficient, if a program is best expressed using the stack then doing that is both clearer and theoretically more efficient, and it should be the language implementation's responsibility to simulate as much stack as you need)
< 1743811216 329393 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Right. See e.g. GHC Haskell putting the *pattern-matching stack* onto the hardware stack and ignoring the intended call/return usage in favor of using the heap for all objects.)
< 1743811217 88786 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :traditionally memory maps had the stack and heap at opposite ends of virtual memory, growing towards each other, so a program could balance stack versus heap usage as much as it needed to
< 1743811524 933897 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now I'm thinking about defunctionalization. Anything to avoid real work, I guess.
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< 1743821116 59116 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The uxn has two stacks that you can mostly use for whatever purpose you want, although the JCI and JSI instructions require the use of specific stacks, so it is expected that the second stack (affected by JSI) is used for subroutine calls, and that JMP2r is used to return from a subroutine call. Everything except JCI and JSI can use either stack and need the same number of bytes of code either way.
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< 1743824499 565683 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Earlier in library I had read an article about reversible computing, that it would use less power than most computers.
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< 1743829142 756719 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Maybe it would be possible to make a kind of hybrid computer, so that it can include reversible and non-reversible programs, or reversible and non-reversible parts of programs. ChaCha20 has reversible and non-reversible parts, I think; it is mainly reversible but they add back the original values to the final values to make it difficult to reverse.)
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< 1743884065 856883 :Cuboid!~Cuboidigo@user/Cuboidigon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what would you say is the hardest esolang to write in
< 1743884133 180813 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Cuboid: They can get arbitrarily hard. Bubblegum is an example; practical usage requires attacking SHA-256.
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< 1743915674 795917 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :suppose I have a machine with multiple stacks and a finite state machine for control flow purposes, that can read input – but it can only push to or pop from the stacks as it reads a byte of input
< 1743915684 97477 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that LBA-complete or are there some LBAs it can't emulate?
< 1743915692 213121 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(obviously it isn't TC because once all the input has been read, it has finite memory)
< 1743915963 628356 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it feels like it's less powerful but that's hard to prove – and yet it's clearly more powerful than a PDA
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< 1743935626 701982 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
< 1743935752 816129 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I did not even know the Abbreviation LBA for „Linear Bounded Automaton“ yet (‑ just „Logical Block Addressing“. Thanks for Broadening my Horizons   😉
< 1743935763 376764 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :+)
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< 1743936474 594157 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :APic: doesn't LBA mean "linear block addressing" because it's just one number instead of three separate numbers for cylinder, head, sector?
< 1743936503 29607 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1743936535 824012 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this reminds me that I never got the hang of Little Big Adventure
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< 1743989015 369842 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I also think that that's less powerful than a full linear bounded automaton, but I don't have a proof
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< 1743995166 187067 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Due to their keep changing some things in the formatting of Magic: the Gathering rules, I had to update my program for converting to HTML; this last time, the heading for rule 505 was incorrectly not copied due to a blank line containing a space before it, but I fixed that now.
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< 1744002000 122490 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thinkin' about Owner-Free File System again. This time I'm thinking of how it might interact with a Gödel machine; such a machine might learn OFFS blocks which are efficient, useful, or otherwise common.
< 1744002055 581694 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I probably should get at least one (1) thing off my plate first though.
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< 1744015228 598506 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: a linear-bounded automaton can solve a SAT instance by iterating through every solution and checking them. a multi-stack machine without null state changes that you mentioned can be evaluated in linear time in the input. so if they were equally powerful that would imply P=NP. This is probably an overkill argument and there's one that
< 1744015229 98915 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesn't depend on such a conjecture, but I think it's at least a heuristic.
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< 1744024140 887087 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
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< 1744044315 30347 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: That's an elegant argument. Nice.
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< 1744050764 104293 :amadaluzia!~amadaluzi@2a00:23c7:ed8b:6701:fca7:4ddf:16d4:e0c7 QUIT :Quit: Hi, this is Paul Allen. I'm being called away to London for a few days. Meredith, I'll call you when I get back. Hasta la vista, baby.
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< 1744051328 287678 :amadaluzia!~amadaluzi@host81-159-254-182.range81-159.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: Hi, this is Paul Allen. I'm being called away to London for a few days. Meredith, I'll call you when I get back. Hasta la vista, baby.
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< 1744058001 423223 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is quadratic-time known to be more powerful than linear-time? if so, then even P=NP wouldn't prevent a linear-time program being unable to solve SAT
< 1744058076 49639 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Linear and quadratic time on what formalism? (sorting in the RAM model comes to mind)
< 1744058088 347199 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :comparison-based that is
< 1744058095 761764 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, good point – the model matters when it's linear versus quadratic
< 1744058155 244426 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is a multiple-stack model (which is similar to a multitape Turing machine model but you can add and delete tape elements in addition to changing them)
< 1744058473 93651 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I could call this the Esimpl model – I think it's the same performance up to amortization and constant factors (two stacks can simulate a queue in amortized linear time)
< 1744059259 976497 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :linear vs quadratic can also matter on what specific NP-complete problem you choose and how it's encoded.
< 1744059275 242107 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, you're saying SAT specifically
< 1744059399 458140 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but anyway, yes, it's because linear time is such a strong restriction why I expect that your question can be answered even without knowing P!=NP
< 1744059427 502920 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not convinced that this model is even linear-time-complete
< 1744059441 261805 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the stack machine that can only do stack manipulation as it reads input)
< 1744059441 299940 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because I think the complexity theorists know some problems that can be solved in exponential time but not in linear time, or something like that, and you could exploit that here
< 1744059462 916190 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, we don't need it linear time complete, and it probably isn't
< 1744059515 947059 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my original thought was basically that you give a problem encoded with a block cipher and give the short symmetric key at the very end of the problem description, then the no null transitions multi-stack machine has very little time to decode the problem
< 1744059535 931395 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can find the median of an array in linear time, right? but I can't see how to do that with the stack-operations-when-reading machine
< 1744059541 152373 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that doesn't work directly when you're asking about asymptotics
< 1744059555 895733 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :since a block cipher with fixed size can be solved by a huge finite state machine
< 1744060362 159012 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like if you know how to solve the original problem with an machine with P stacks and N states, and there are 2↑256 possible block cipher keys, then solve the ciphered problem by simulating 2↑256 copies of that multi-stack machine (plus the state of the cipher) with a giant multi-stack machine that has 2↑256·P stacks and (N·C)↑(2↑256) states where C is the number of states of the cipher
< 1744060436 207638 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: 2N tapes can simulate N stacks and 2N stacks can simulate N tapes, right? :)
< 1744060445 327374 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :err
< 1744060451 287455 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :N tapes can simulate N stacks
< 1744060494 413458 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes
< 1744060746 662244 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: hold on, you are requiring your multi-stack machine without null transitions to be deterministic, right?
< 1744060785 990463 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: yes, although interestingly I came across this while trying to solve a problem that involved NPDAs
< 1744060793 786844 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the nondeterministic case might be interesting
< 1744060815 67093 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(fwiw I no longer think it's the right solution, so it's just a curiosity more than something that's the right answer)
< 1744060839 578233 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I asked because my simple heuristic doesn't work if it can be nondeterministic
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< 1744142907 324258 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Idle question, not important or urgent: what's the best complexity for adding natural numbers, given that they are represented by their prime factorizations?
< 1744143041 817075 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I'm pretty sure you need fast prime factorization for that, because you can get any natural number n as a sum of O(log(n)) numbers with easy prime factorization, such as by writing it in base 2↑32, so I can ask your hypothetical algorithm to add those small amount of numbers and get me the prime factorization
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< 1744143076 590125 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but of course we don't really know how fast we can do that
< 1744143226 276410 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: That's fair. There's a special case for 2 in any representation, but I think that that comes from the idea that the sum of two numbers can create a factor of two from 0 + 0 or 1 + 1.
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< 1744143341 169633 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm. Factors of 3 are not especially bad either, because we can extract some (mod 3) information too. For any prime factor p > 3, p and 3 are coprime, so powers of p (mod 3) always look like 1,2,1,2... or 2,1,2,1...
< 1744143395 874137 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :By induction, I think that for any two prime factorizations, we can quickly write out whether their sum includes at least one of each possible factor. That's kind of cool.
< 1744143422 730715 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think factors of 2 is a special case here. you can just take any natural number B that's small enough that you can factorize any natural number up to B easily, and just write numbers in base B representation, and that's just as much of a problem as with base 2
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< 1744143515 871438 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I wasn't thinking about any particualar base. I'm thinking about Gödel-style representations that only enumerate the powers of the prime factors.
< 1744143847 547577 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah. though I suspect that prime factorization is probably not *essential* for proving stuff with Gödel coding, it's just a convenient easy way to write the proofs
< 1744143865 252453 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm not entirely sure about that
< 1744143908 632638 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, any coding will do. But I'm specifically wondering about the interaction of additive and multiplicative structure in rings and fields, and this seems like a decent-enough question to ask on its own.
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< 1744148466 508510 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now GitHub will require 2FA. I think that isn't a very good idea; there are more secure systems such as X.509 and HMAC. Apparently they want to secure the software supply chain, but I think signed releases is a more sensible way to do that.
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< 1744169353 964849 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: thanks for letting me know – I have fixed that typo
< 1744169392 434608 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :several months ago I went and rewrote my blogging framework in order to make fixing typos in existing blog posts possible – and that effort came in useful here
< 1744169420 769598 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(previously it was using last-modified-date of the file as the date of the blog post, which made it hard to update things, but now the source files have a date written on them explicitly)
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< 1744172390 161610 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, I just randomly discovered how to drag with the middle button held using this touchpad (tap with three fingers, immediately return one finger to the touchpad and move that around)
< 1744172414 492773 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :presumably doing that with two fingers rather than three gives you a drag with the right button held
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> 1744227690 934386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Subpysembly14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155481 5* 03Photostar 5* (+273) 10Created page with "'''Subpysembly''' is a work in progress language created inside of [[Pysembly]]. Its major gimmick is that it uses numbers for ''everything'', even though since work started string equivalence has been added to Pysembly. The language is being created by [[User: Pho
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< 1744243018 39464 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there the "non-predictive T9" text entry that could be used for search queries (e.g. if you enter "23" then it would find "AD", "AE", "AF", "BD", "A3", "2D", etc, without needing to specify which one you want)?
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< 1744249364 652546 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thinking out loud about recent changes to [[Iota]]. It's not quite right to claim that two combinator bases are equivalent; rather, we want to say that they are adjoint, and that the adjunction induces some sort of extensional equivalence.
< 1744249438 164950 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :For it otherwise is immediately TC -- by some nasty flavor of Rice, I guess -- whether two particular combinator expressions in different bases are equivalent, because any sort of extraction we perform on them is technically a "simulation" in the fancy machine sense.
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< 1744249908 831803 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :In general I suppose I'm imagining a sort of pattern across the wiki where a combinator basis' TC proof can start and end by showing that the basis can be freely (faithfully) bracketed to SKI.
< 1744251195 389979 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another pattern I'm thinking about is syntax-description languages. Is there appetite for languages like META II, https://www.bayfronttechnologies.com/mc_tutorial.html ?
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 add A B        | Add A to B. con A B        | Concatenate A with B. sub A
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< 1744258788 430984 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I think you can talk in terms of simple translations between combinator bases, i.e. each combinator in either can be replaced with an expression formed out of combinators from the other, giving you a bisimulation
< 1744258831 295689 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's reasonable to consider that as being a way to prove an equivalence, even though it's undecidable to determine equivalence in the general case
< 1744258862 635770 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we do the same sort of thing with languages all the time – if two languages can each be compiled to the other, we consider that as a proof that they have the same computational class
< 1744259155 19565 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yeah. I just think that it *must* be something like bisimulation, because a universal basis isn't going to offer some sort of universal decomposition.
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< 1744259477 876469 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps a good term would be "operational equivalence" – we have an easily provable equivalence in the operational semantics, but aren't sure how to define equality in the denotational semantics
< 1744259785 236313 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my PhD was heavily based on game semantics, which is a form of semantics that's both somewhat operational and somewhat denotational – it defines a lambda calculus term (with potential free variables) in terms of its possible patterns of calls and returns – it's very reminiscent of a finite state machine, but without the restriction to finitely many states (although it often approximates things as having finitely many states)
< 1744259862 295590 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, I basically only studied game semantics for simply typed lambda calculus + fix, which is much easier to handle than an untyped lambda calculus would be
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< 1744303417 403281 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, what I actually think I was imagining is an infobox on *proof techniques* for Turing-completeness. People are always handwaving proofs by reduction; we could have a standardized handwave template.
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< 1744312771 510313 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a description of the file formats of the databases opened by the dbopen function? It says it is B-tree and whatever else it is but does not describe the exact format, it seem
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red text oooh
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> 1744314531 7526 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tiziano22081214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155580&oldid=155579 5* 03Tiziano220812 5* (-1) 10
> 1744314704 80673 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155581&oldid=155555 5* 03Darkloyd255 5* (+38217) 10Added a new program "The twelve days of befungmas"
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> 1744315727 566964 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155584&oldid=155583 5* 03Darkloyd255 5* (+24) 10/* Examples */ Made more clear
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< 1744317010 209382 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The man page for dbopen mentions  but there does not seem to be any such file on my computer. Why is the man page installed, then?
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< 1744319079 562909 :amadaluzia!~amadaluzi@host217-43-236-22.range217-43.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: Hi, this is Paul Allen. I'm being called away to London for a few days. Meredith, I'll call you when I get back. Hasta la vista, baby.
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> 1744319716 284932 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Alikberoff 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Prefixes order controller (SN74xx).png10]]"
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> 1744319992 113636 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IHISIANGTUI14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155588 5* 03Tiziano220812 5* (+902) 10Created page with "
Name = I Hate Indentation So I Am Not Going To Use It
  
 instructions: .. make variable .= set .+= add (or concatenate if both are strings) .-= subtract .*= multiply ./= divide .%= mod to: moves 2 variables  say: output some
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> 1744321387 14997 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WYSIWISC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155590&oldid=155289 5* 03Alikberoff 5* (-3) 10
> 1744321938 859778 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Revolution 914]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155591&oldid=75010 5* 03Darkloyd255 5* (+513) 10Added more detail
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> 1744325661 372927 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfive14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155593 5* 03Darkloyd255 5* (+232) 10Created the page.
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> 1744327709 719179 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pysembly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155594&oldid=155560 5* 03Photostar 5* (+42) 10
> 1744327732 436035 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pysembly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155595&oldid=155594 5* 03Photostar 5* (+0) 10
> 1744328038 984231 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pysembly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155596&oldid=155595 5* 03Photostar 5* (+56) 10
> 1744328065 634950 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pysembly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155597&oldid=155596 5* 03Photostar 5* (+17) 10
> 1744328758 887302 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:RetroPain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155598&oldid=81108 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+91) 10/* 2021 */
> 1744329055 188390 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155599&oldid=155576 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+1106) 10define syntax
> 1744329263 968406 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfive14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155600&oldid=155593 5* 03Darkloyd255 5* (+1550) 10Added the page contents
> 1744329312 993747 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfive14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155601&oldid=155600 5* 03Darkloyd255 5* (+9) 10
> 1744329447 485570 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfive14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155602&oldid=155601 5* 03Darkloyd255 5* (+95) 10Categorized
< 1744329511 90846 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
> 1744329872 22199 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155603&oldid=155599 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+352) 10refine definitions and add out statement
< 1744329903 308564 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The IPv6 saga got a resolution. They've not confirmed it (yet, at least), but my ISP's support people said their network engineering team believed it was related to their routing configuration, and then a little while after that response it started working again, so presumably they did something to fix it.
> 1744330086 338224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unstable14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155604 5* 03Darkloyd255 5* (+1550) 10Creation.
> 1744330516 938348 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Chalk1 5*  10New user account
> 1744330988 341589 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155605&oldid=155577 5* 03Chalk1 5* (+175) 10
> 1744331185 330605 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Chalk114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155606 5* 03Chalk1 5* (+197) 10Created page with "== Greetings ==  ''Hello!'' I'm Chalk. I... umm... what do I say??? Uhhh... I don't know.. Uhhh???? Hmmm.... What do I say... Uhh... Umm... Hmmmm... Hmmmmmmmm... Uhhh... I give up. I can't do this."
> 1744331213 328900 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155607&oldid=155603 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+80) 10define behavior when back recieves a pointer that has never been dereferenced
> 1744331583 518292 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:IHISIANGTUI14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155608 5* 03Chalk1 5* (+238) 10Created page with "== Python interpreter for IHISIANGTUI? ==  I could try to make a simple interpreter for it. I want to see where this project will go; it's pretty interesting. --~~~~"
< 1744334509 836192 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :How to make new input methods and output methods for use with XIM/XOM functions of Xlib? (Also, I think the functions requiring the locale isn't as good and better functions should be defined, e.g. XOpenOM2 which explicitly specifies the character set, character encoding, and options.)
> 1744335126 196809 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*lang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155609&oldid=155607 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+66) 10clarify that & is not allowed for assignment targets
> 1744336107 764712 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Burn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155610&oldid=155513 5* 03Truttle1 5* (+1124) 10
> 1744337437 9869 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155611&oldid=128971 5* 03Tiziano220812 5* (+269) 10/* Interpreter */
> 1744337510 363247 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155612&oldid=155609 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+13) 10only line initial whitespace is ignored
> 1744337538 567257 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155613&oldid=155611 5* 03Tiziano220812 5* (+43) 10/* Interpreter */
> 1744338656 500462 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ruletable14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155614 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+24) 10Redirected page to [[RuleLoader]]
> 1744338667 813558 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Truttle114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155615&oldid=148743 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+684) 10
> 1744338699 283254 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RuleLoader14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155616&oldid=145863 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+1) 10Change my name
> 1744338742 119319 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155617&oldid=146590 5* 03I am islptng 5* (-79) 10Change my name
> 1744338759 930941 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wasaya/Libraries14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155618&oldid=148387 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+1) 10Change my name
> 1744341031 468093 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Anthonykozar/Notes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155619&oldid=152205 5* 03Anthonykozar 5* (+347) 10Add Hexagony, language based on IDS structures, base-3 languages, etc.
> 1744344597 746558 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155620&oldid=155612 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+1055) 10add some example programs
> 1744344880 342076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stackowey14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155621&oldid=155573 5* 03Lampe2020 5* (-177) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/155573|155573]] by [[Special:Contributions/Lampe2020|Lampe2020]] ([[User talk:Lampe2020|talk]])
> 1744345199 371849 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*lang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155622&oldid=155620 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+101) 10add interpreter link
> 1744345652 17886 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Stackowey14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155623 5* 03Lampe2020 5* (+599) 10Added note about revision undo.
> 1744345829 251522 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155624&oldid=155622 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+139) 10add categories, finalize page
> 1744345885 622350 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155625&oldid=155470 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+13) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ add *lang
> 1744345897 696496 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Anthonykozar/Notes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155626&oldid=155619 5* 03Anthonykozar 5* (+14) 10Adding Noisett.
> 1744346158 503039 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155627&oldid=150324 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+475) 10add *lang
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> 1744346283 839977 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Anthonykozar/Notes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155629&oldid=155626 5* 03Anthonykozar 5* (+41) 10Adding user Zero who created Noisett?
> 1744346466 799721 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fool14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155630&oldid=94740 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+33) 10this is definitely declarative
> 1744346489 936473 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:DigitalDetective4714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155631&oldid=155575 5* 03DigitalDetective47 5* (+246) 10add *lang
< 1744347623 970327 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had played Pokemon recently, with random double battle, with dynamax allowed and shift commands disallowed (this rule was decided at random before the battle begins). I remember much of what happened.
< 1744347735 603199 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :My first two pokemons were Chimecho (with Prankster ability, and moves: Heal Pulse, Recover, Reflect, Light Screen), and Marowak (Rock Head ability, and moves included Swords Dance and Double-Edge and two others I didn't use), and opponent's first two pokemons were Gogoat and Grimmsnarl.
< 1744348079 736767 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Marowak used Swords Dance a few times, Chimecho and Grimmsnarl both set up screens, Gogoat did Leech Seed on both of my pokemons. When Gogoat fainted, the opponent's next pokemon was Samurott and defeated Marowak by Hydro Pump.
< 1744348307 663456 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had guessed that Samurott was choice-locked, and I looked at my other pokemons, I had Gastrodon (with Storm Drain ability) and Eelektross (with Discharge move). I guessed that if I activated Gastrodon then probably Samurott would dynamax, and I would have Gastrodon also dynamax.
< 1744348406 136387 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :My plan was also that when opponent had only two active pokemons left, I would let Chimecho to faint (from Leech Seed, or having Gastrodon attack it if necessary), and then activate Eelektross; and that I would not attack Samurott before then.
< 1744348513 861027 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Gastrodon's moves were Earth Power, Ice Beam, Clear Smog, and Recover. I could use Max Quake to increase Sp.Def, and Samurott used Max Darkness, to decrease Sp.Def, so they cancelled out.
< 1744348525 704452 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :My plan ended up working perfectly.
< 1744348725 374277 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(since my own pokemons were not choice-locked, I could select moves of the other types in case the opponent was resisted or immune to some of them, and still defeat Samurott.)
> 1744348953 16795 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Truttle114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155632&oldid=155615 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+163) 10/* Burnlike */
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< 1744353260 533006 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: great. now just make sure you keep testing that it doesn't break again soon.
< 1744353359 863960 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: what are "shift commands"?
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< 1744386428 409023 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :r8 my language: https://github.com/memesmith0/calculator/edit/main/calculator.c
< 1744386436 931077 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo
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< 1744387361 267489 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: Retro.
< 1744387517 17659 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :What a hostile link (it redirects to a login page. No, I'm not signed into github, why would I be?)
< 1744387609 538232 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/edit/blob/ probably
< 1744387628 34598 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although it's still GitHub's shitty interface, so still hostile.
< 1744387656 138053 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s=edit=blob/main= works
< 1744387665 992653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
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< 1744387682 794435 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :JAA: yeah that works
> 1744387919 99443 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfive14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155665&oldid=155602 5* 03Darkloyd255 5* (+2244) 10Added programs
> 1744387959 425162 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfive14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155666&oldid=155665 5* 03Darkloyd255 5* (-13) 10Removed multithreaded as thats not really what it is.
< 1744388063 836775 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If it still doesn't work, substitute "raw" in place of "blob"; that seems to work on many websites with git and not only on GitHub. It is also possible to use the GitHub API, or to write your own scripts to use the React data included in the HTML; I have done both.
> 1744388098 305001 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155667&oldid=155625 5* 03Darkloyd255 5* (-45) 10Added my article "brainfive"
< 1744388108 564039 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: By shift commands in pokemon I mean when you use a shift command to switch out your active pokemon and switch in a different one (rather than being switched out by something like Volt Switch or U-Turn or being forced by Roar or Whirlwind)
< 1744388174 581783 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :its likely already been edited since you last saw it
< 1744388180 532260 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/memesmith0/calculator/blob/main/calculator.c
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< 1744388219 493503 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the #c people think I'm lying when I said I am serious about it
< 1744388287 726903 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: I don't think anybody will notice that it changed. Because, if you're approaching this as the specification of a language, it's unreadable. Sure, you can approach this as a reverse engineering challenge (and in that category it's easy because the code is fairly short) but that's a much larger effort.
< 1744388341 510850 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is meant to be extended with reader macros
< 1744388362 620753 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :its essentially a really small reader macro system based on gnu dc
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< 1744388373 877291 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :only it uses registers instead of a stack
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< 1744389272 264859 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: Well, it's a fairly minimal wrapper around a subset of portable C. It's also worth knowing how this parallels the APL family, which has a standard pile of criticisms and only caught on because of array-programming idioms.
< 1744389356 149564 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The parser feels like it's been deeply limited by the C way of structuring code combined with the desire to shove everything into a single procedure. Metacompilation seems like an impossible hassle, if you're looking at complexity ceilings.
< 1744390976 81069 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(This "shift command" is also called "switch command")
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< 1744393699 993570 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo its primary mission is to make it possible in a small space to have reader macros
< 1744393723 177883 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :then once you have reader macros you implement an interpreter for a system that allows for better coding such as better metacompilation
< 1744394233 425166 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: What does your macro system look like?
< 1744394335 242737 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: you write functions that transform stdin into the default op codes
< 1744394349 338137 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean concretely.d
< 1744394380 739511 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :well to show you an example it would take a long time for me to show you a concrete example
< 1744394422 248371 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :its basically like a very very simple assembly language. if you code in any assembly language at all you should be able to learn this assembly language easily
< 1744394426 541619 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, you don't have to do it. Why would it take a long time?
< 1744394465 778386 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :creating a function by hand can take some time in this assembly language
< 1744394603 373709 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay. To me, that's a sign that the language is too low-level; paraphrasing Perlis, writing a procedure shouldn't require irrelevant details.
< 1744394644 244055 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah this is meant to be able to fit into under 512 bytes of assembler
< 1744394703 399370 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, but that shouldn't mean that writing a procedure or encoding a function is a long or difficult task.
< 1744394725 242661 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll think about that for a while
< 1744394735 256843 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, there are languages that are intentionally hard that way, like Malbolge, but I didn't get the impression that you wanted that sort of language.
< 1744394764 425087 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What details are irrelevant details though? Sometimes some details might not be irrelevant, but higher level programming languages (including C) make it difficult or not possible to specify such things anyways, even if you want to do.
< 1744394765 59901 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically all arrays in this language in every cell it contains both an int and a pointer
< 1744394787 337933 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :For example, what does an identity function look like? Or, since you've given I/O, is there a cat program which loops over input and copies it to output?
< 1744394788 279135 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in a proper function all of the integer slots are filled with instructions with the last instruction being 0
< 1744394829 172502 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if I want to make a function I have to memory allocate the array and then fill each instruction into its slot one by one
< 1744395254 484557 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: malloc() and arrays seem fairly irrelevant.
< 1744395389 322362 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo how else am I gonna handle data of arbitrary complexity and size input into my program
< 1744395728 120388 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: Don't have an operation for allocating memory; instead, allocate memory as part of certain operations.
< 1744395749 358649 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I disagree; I think that it is meaningful to have a function to allocate memory
< 1744395765 206199 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This style's supposed to imitate Whitney, right? Look at how he allocates memory: https://github.com/kparc/ksimple/tree/main/ref
< 1744395882 411452 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, uh, the annotated file is probably better: https://github.com/kparc/ksimple/blob/main/a.c
< 1744395972 58632 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :He builds primitive words for allocating and freeing vectors, and then immediately builds refcounting on top so that users won't have to worry about it.
< 1744396261 472644 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't read too many other peoples attempts I am just doing what feels right
< 1744397822 834859 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I see. I did't know that was called "shift", and Bulbapedia wasn't very helpful.
> 1744399312 640050 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Iota14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155676&oldid=155411 5* 03Corbin 5* (+129) 10Infobox, TC proof, cleanup. I read Stay 2005 but didn't find anything interesting.
< 1744400950 504481 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :my calculator is super good
< 1744400977 224657 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo vectors take up too many characters
> 1744401417 360245 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155677&oldid=117657 5* 03Corbin 5* (+1493) 10Cleanup, TC proof, links, get closer to Barker's wording.
< 1744401458 200041 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: No worries.
< 1744401510 894147 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've just been cleaning up articles on combinators. By chance, have you seen the language Miranda yet? You're likely familiar with its most popular offspring Haskell, but classically Miranda was just a very nice syntax for a graph-reduction machine that evaluates combinators.
< 1744401545 912280 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ben Lynn has a wonderful step-by-step explanation of how a Miranda-like language can be written in very little code: https://crypto.stanford.edu/~blynn/compiler/
< 1744401702 276630 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo you are much more learned than me on these things but I compensate with my immense autism and schizophrenic ability to see patterns that don't exist
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< 1744403274 490230 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :my brain is starting to understand what you mean by my code is too low level
< 1744403279 362457 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I need your high level secrets
< 1744403290 756055 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :what are these high level op codes u speak of
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< 1744403732 487938 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: I'm referencing a Perlis quote: "A programming language is low level when its programs require attention to the irrelevant." If you haven't seen these before, they are worth a look: https://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/perlis-alan/quotes.html
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< 1744403781 557796 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If your macro system is difficult to show to other folks because writing in it requires a lot of attention to irrelevant low-level details, then perhaps there is a higher-level simpler macro system that you could design which removes those details.
> 1744403799 805452 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074gn/14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155684 5* 03Buckets 5* (+10710) 10Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=4g''''''''''n 1744405004 222837 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pysembly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155685&oldid=155597 5* 03Photostar 5* (+6) 10
< 1744405006 880140 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :A reader macro extends a Lisp runtime so that it can (read) in non-native syntax.
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< 1744405024 2199 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well we don't use lisp read
< 1744405036 374093 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :how do you define read
< 1744405041 622911 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :They're considered macros because they expand that non-native syntax into standard Lisp syntax.
< 1744405059 802484 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I can write a function in my language that expands non native syntax into native syntax
< 1744405076 556532 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's just parsing.
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< 1744405083 507501 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok parse macros
< 1744405108 843900 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can extend the syntax semantics and grammar via parsing
< 1744405173 105562 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :a certain kind of macro is taking place here you can call it whatever u want but it extends the syntax
< 1744405176 91971 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. Plenty of systems can do that.
< 1744405197 527856 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :mine is designed so that that is all that it does
< 1744405206 486663 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is its only objective
< 1744405212 846892 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that https://fexpr.blogspot.com/2013/12/abstractive-power.html might be a good read at some point, although I'll warn you that Shutt is very dense and sometimes I'll have to chew a paragraph for 20 or 30 minutes.
< 1744405241 353316 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Extensibility enthusiasts had hoped, frankly, that by means of language-extension mechanisms it would become possible for everyone to use a single base language and transform it into anything anyone needed for any particular purpose."
< 1744405247 611576 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :abstraction is the most powerful tool in my toolbelt
< 1744405259 568475 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Macro preprocessing, in particular, cannot easily be used to build a series of extensions, one on top of another, because as extension follows extension, the programmer is rapidly overcome by accumulating complexity."
< 1744405317 922217 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: I think that this is a dilemma. If you're working with genuine macros, then you need to accept that there are many limitations to what they can express. Otherwise, I think that whatever you've built for abstraction should not be called "macro".
< 1744405781 833731 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :my intuition tells me that other people likely fail to use macros as effectively as my intuition tells me that I can use them
< 1744405987 354131 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :this article you linked essentially says that extensibility languages as he calls it hasnt been given a serious try since 40 years ago
< 1744405999 214060 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think back then there were probably under a million coders
< 1744406005 66784 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :with no internet
< 1744406021 268496 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :they were all electrical engineers with very similar backgrounds
< 1744406098 338314 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you have the patience for it, Shutt gives a category-theoretic explanation; the obstacles are genuine. It's not a matter of trying hard.
< 1744406173 662415 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"In language L0, records are declared with constant fields, and the fields can then be queried. … Language Lpriv is identical except that individual fields may be declared "private"; private fields cannot be queried, though they can be used when specifying the value of another field in the same record."
< 1744406184 448730 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"It's easy to transform an Lpriv text sequence into a valid L0 sequence:  just remove all the "private" keywords from the field declarations.  This is a macro/polynomial transformation…"
< 1744406285 365352 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But, as they prove in the final few paragraphs, there's no macro which transforms L0 into Lpriv under some reasonable desirable conditions.
< 1744406374 805152 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :well like originally I was sucked in by the idea of one language that could transform into anything
< 1744406380 363762 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that is no longer my goal
< 1744406402 885657 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, no, the reason that the extensibility movement collapsed around that time is because of a much broader cultural revolution. UNIX is likely a big contributor; instead of trying to write monolithic mainframe applications that did everything, we switched to composition of smaller applications.
< 1744406441 885848 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I mean I think I am trying to do something a little different with this extension language
< 1744406444 228814 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Relevant to this channel, the Turing-tarpit movement broke away from mainstream computing at that time too.
< 1744406467 161887 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't agree that the definition of Turing tarpit maps to reality
< 1744406481 30610 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the definition of Turing tarpit assumes that languages that people call Turing tarpits are useless
< 1744406507 29316 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :What definition? Perlis' definition is: "Beware of the Turing tar-pit in which everything is possible but nothing of interest is easy."
< 1744406541 447043 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Turing machines and lambda calculus are tarpits. Computability theory still studies tarpits today.
< 1744406575 578602 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think my goals for this extension language are not as broad or far reaching as the goals of those monolithig guys in the 1960s
< 1744406595 876274 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am not planning on loading it up with heaps and heaps of macros. just a few good macros that make a language that I want
< 1744406650 218626 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. Sounds like fun.
< 1744407762 769700 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1744407930 408690 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: zzo38: I think most Pokémon players refer to the command that replaces your active Pokémon with a different one as "switching Pokémon"
< 1744407954 749059 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yes, I mentioned that is another name for it
< 1744407964 408379 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"shift" is used in the options menu for a setting that gives you a free switch whenever an opponent's Pokémon faints, but isn't widely used otherwise
< 1744408008 18681 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and my sense is that most serious Pokémon players like to pretend that the shift option doesn't exist, because the battle system is balanced much better without the free switch)
< 1744408062 125940 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also think it is better without, and I always disable that option anyways
< 1744408202 167388 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :getting basically any battle command for free is very powerful, even if it isn't very good (e.g. Growl is generally considered very weak as a move, but Intimidate, which gives the same effect as Growl for free upon switching in, is very strong)
< 1744408233 281252 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and switching is one of the more useful battle commands, and giving that for free to someone who is winning is very unbalancing
< 1744408242 791521 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some implementations (e.g. Pokemon Unbound) do say "shift" on the menu to switch out your active pokemon for another, although some say "switch"
< 1744408488 647693 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I agree that is unbalancing so it should take up a turn. Although, that shift mode only applies in the single player game anyways I think; some versions have a "semi-shift" mode that you are not allowed to see what the opponent's next pokemon is, but none I have seen have "opponent shift" option that gives opponent the opportunity to do but the player does not.
< 1744408555 548144 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, an opponent shift would be pointless in singles because a shift triggers after a Pokémon faints, and when a Pokémon faints you have to replace it, so the opponent already got a choice of what to replace it with and there's no reason to let them immediately change their mind
< 1744408567 107226 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might make sense in doubles – if one Pokémon faints, you get to switch out the other for free
< 1744408620 201436 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :That is not what I meant. I meant the single player story mode, not a competitive battle, where when the player's pokemon faints the gym leader (or whoever it is) is allowed to switch for free.
< 1744408629 247893 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, I see
< 1744408678 247521 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Pokémon's AI is generally not very good even in the later generations, where lots of complex logic has been added to try to make it act intelligently
< 1744408699 228665 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so maybe NPC shifting wasn't implemented because it would be too difficult to get it to make reasonable decisoins
< 1744408766 314427 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some unofficial versions have improved AI (although still have some problems)
< 1744408815 826784 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The battle I was describing though, was not the single player story mode, which does not use random teams or random rules anyways)
< 1744408837 35525 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's actually really hard to write a good AI for even really simple versions of Pokémon because the optimal strategy is usually a mixed strategy
< 1744408997 809387 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I would expect so (much of the strategy is you have to guess if opponent will switch out, and other stuff), but still it could be improved from what official versions and even some things in unofficial versions; I have seen situations where the AI's selection does not seem to make much sense at all (especially if Explosion is involved, in my experience)
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< 1744458421 277471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( Is there any logic to when YT adds a &pp=garbage  argument to its links? )
< 1744458827 347648 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( Every time there's a question like that I'm really tempted to go figure it out, but it's perfectly pointless because I couldn't then say anything about it... )
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< 1744459191 546020 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah and it's invisible to most people anyway so Google probably won't ever talk about it.
< 1744459326 485561 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how do you say in english to follow a hyperlink, but make it sound like a sci-fi/fantasy hyperspace jump?
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< 1744459662 59229 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Establishing a link, riding the waves, entering a portal into the public portion of a corporate network
< 1744459718 860817 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(This isn't an answer, I'm brainstorming a bit. I don't really recall phrases for this kind of thing, say from Neuromancer.)
< 1744459793 259809 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The thing is, from a 1990s point of view "following a hyperlink" sounds very futuristic and sci-fi-like.
< 1744459846 145912 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But the novelty wore off and now this particular phrase is in everyday use and it's no longer sci-fi so... are you even asking a fair question? :-)
< 1744459868 890359 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Did HyperCard call cross-card transitions hyperlinks? Can't remember. (It's from the 80s.)
< 1744459964 918291 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess entering a web portal hasn't really caught on (with everything-app web portals like Yahoo! being supplanted by search engines)
< 1744459997 24479 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ooh, Internet Archive has emulated HyperCard stacks: https://blog.archive.org/2017/08/11/hypercard-on-the-archive-celebrating-30-years-of-hypercard/
< 1744460068 978968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperCard ..love the use of present tense in the first paragraph
< 1744460087 202418 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :LOL "HyperCard was created by Bill Atkinson following an LSD trip."
< 1744460153 728923 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/1999/03/03/macromedia-flashdance always comes to my mind when there's talk about... well, not the early web, but the thing after that, I guess.
< 1744460189 642015 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does Hypnospace Outlaw have a fancy alternate-reality term for following a hyperlink? 
< 1744460221 142823 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Users build or modify stacks by adding new cards. . o O ( are those collectibles too? )
< 1744460245 822431 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :This feels like something I should know about but also it was Apple so maybe that's why I don't.
< 1744460295 26475 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had some classmates in the Macintosh camp so I got a bit exposed that way, and then there's the Myst connection.
< 1744460363 299425 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Not an actual physical camp.)
< 1744460370 919576 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is a Myst connection? (I played it on PC. I watched the making of and I know they used a lot of Apples but they talked mostly about 3D modelling and raytracing, and a bit about how they found that adding sound really improved immersion)
< 1744460391 271153 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Myst was a big HyperCard stack.
< 1744460438 731123 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"HyperCard continued to be popular and used for a widening range of applications, from the game The Manhole, an earlier effort by the creators of Myst, to corporate information services." -- close enough
< 1744460527 530383 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a story somewhere on the web on how they got Myst to be in color, something HyperCard didn't support in an official way until very very late.
< 1744460568 713011 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/myst-lang/myst/blob/master/BYTECODE_REFERENCE.md (getting on topic :P)
< 1744460582 685242 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, maybe even "never" rather than "very late"? According to https://orangejuiceliberationfront.com/how-hypercard-got-its-color-back/
< 1744460629 239613 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I seem to recall that they wanted Myst to be portable. Not sure, my memory isn't too reliable and I don't know how I'd readily verify that claim.
< 1744460680 464834 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, it's only the never-released HyperCard 3.0 that would have had standard color support.
< 1744460681 964558 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that Myst is, of course, a different Myst)
< 1744460701 776497 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(But Myst had some sort of virtual machine at its core.)
< 1744460761 387654 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: "now this particular phrase is in everyday use" => I disagree, "hyperlink" is no longer in everyday use, people other than us oldies just call them a "link", which sounds much less futuristic. the word "hyperlink" is falling off use so much that we can now resue it for sci-fi/fantasy, with futuristic spaceships opening a "hyperlink" instead of a portal or wormhole or stargate or hyperspace bypass
< 1744460796 95179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: well yeah I'm equating hyperlink and link, and I usually say "link"
< 1744460839 291278 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Depending on context obviously because "link" has other meanings. Though I guess if "link" is ambiguous I'll say "URL")
< 1744460862 964116 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, but "link" sounds less sci-fi/fantasy unless it's Link from Legend of Zelda, or a psychic
< 1744460869 188377 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`card-by-name Spirit Link
< 1744460871 502285 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Spirit Link \ W \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant creature (Target a creature as you cast this. This card enters the battlefield attached to that creature.) \ Whenever enchanted creature deals damage, you gain that much life. \ LE-U, 4E-U, 5E-U, 6E-U, 7E-U, 8ED-U, 9ED-U, 10E-U
< 1744460876 426891 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But "URL" is *not* a good sci-fi term. :)
< 1744460977 387622 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fortunately the "hyper" part from "hypertext" or "hyperlink" is immortalized in techical contexts in abbreviations like "href" and "http" and "html"
< 1744461078 618161 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and "urchin" is immortalized in utm_*
< 1744461649 422499 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've no idea what those are
> 1744461676 374310 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:PAGENAME14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155713 5* 03Cycwin 5* (+25) 10what a weird language...
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< 1744468188 838720 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: While I don't know for sure, I would guess that there is a learned parameter which measures how likely you are to watch the video without sharing it. In that case, the tracking parameter can deanonymize you in Google's GAIA database.
< 1744468274 362933 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been wondering what "pp" stands for. I bet "si" stands for "search index" or "search iota" or similar; it only shows up on videos from search results.
< 1744468294 905548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well I'm coming at them with no cookies and the local storage disappears every day so they should do that for all the videos. ;)
< 1744468312 704774 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :my guess was "share id"
< 1744468325 807150 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :updated from "session id"
< 1744468361 646001 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've seen a guess that "pp" was for "player params" but that makes no sense and probably made no sense when the guess was made.
< 1744468408 562786 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :One way or another, they build profiles. YT knows what kinds of videos an IP address likes, knows what the browser fingerprints are inside a household, etc.
< 1744468423 585956 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it could be "profile picture" ;-)
< 1744468426 533125 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"player", "profile", "personal", "parameter", "preference", etc.
< 1744468450 122281 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did in fact look up the protobuf that parameter is a serialized form of, but can't comment.
< 1744468454 145301 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm being silly)
< 1744468470 888393 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I'm sorry
< 1744468481 613254 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe
< 1744468502 886620 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: you said more or less the same thing about udm=14 ;)
< 1744468588 802577 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's probably okay to reveal that "player params" isn't far off, and that there were some bugs complaining how that particular proto is a mismash of all kinds of (internal and external) things in it and should be split, but nobody's gone through the trouble of doing that.
< 1744468627 308281 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh I like "mismash" (but assume it was mishmash)
< 1744468629 751406 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: See, this is why working in CorpEng was great. The only products I can't talk about are internal and mostly dead now.
< 1744468658 629634 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't work in YouTube, though, I just like taking a peek.
< 1744468660 102889 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if my NDA prevents me from encouraging folks to disassemble protobufs and do other reverse-engineering. I'll have to ask my lawyer.
< 1744468666 174943 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Off for a walk now.
< 1744468710 853227 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"if"? "whether", really. English is so difficult.
< 1744468738 286157 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they have iffy wheather
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> 1744472292 599124 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LPeg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155729&oldid=155700 5* 03Stkptr 5* (+53) 10It should be able to recognize CSGs, i.e. it models LBAs
< 1744472519 366187 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, what are these pp parameters? I know google maps sometimes adds extra parameters, but how do I get one from youtube?
< 1744472540 178833 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I probably saw one at some point in youtube too but don't remember how
< 1744472564 229318 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, now I see one
< 1744472582 921678 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and their value is short
> 1744472999 246346 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PkmnQ/common.css14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155730&oldid=155716 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+11) 10
> 1744473289 398451 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07META II14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155731&oldid=155702 5* 03Stkptr 5* (+827) 10It seems to model only CFGs
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> 1744474037 154919 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07META II14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155732&oldid=155731 5* 03Corbin 5* (+63) 10/* Syntax */ Reformat for readability.
> 1744474334 690817 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:META II14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155733 5* 03Corbin 5* (+414) 10Explain the reconciliation I'm about to perform.
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< 1744478001 657015 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm guessing the length will depend on whatever the reason was for getting one.
< 1744478076 51227 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In the first 10 recommendations on my home page, one has a pp=... param that's 10 characters long.
< 1744478245 490756 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Uh... 10 in base 16. (I can't count, apparently.)
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< 1744481164 151819 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :over a hundred possible fields? wee
> 1744481259 471424 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:HAPPA14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155738 5* 03RixTheTyrunt 5* (+0) 10Created blank page
< 1744481333 342965 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hrm didn't FF use to be able to display cookies
< 1744481496 686547 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I mean in the preferences where you can also delete them... I guess it's now only possible in the "developer tools")
< 1744482972 313127 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did not upgrade Firefox because of the stuff they often remove or otherwise change. Nevertheless there are some features I had wanted from the newer version (such as TLS 1.3) but not the other stuff.
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< 1744492037 144009 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :TIL that something called Hytelnet exists
< 1744492055 167438 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Saw a video about Gopher, then went to Floodgap's main site)
< 1744492058 586254 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.floodgap.com/retrotech/hytelnet/
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< 1744494833 364333 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have now made five groups of cards which are not banned in Pseudo-Vintage, and two cards (Chaos Orb and Falling Star) which remain banned. (The latest additions are Attractions and stickers; however, many of those cards are acorn cards and those ones remain banned, but the others are not banned in Pseudo-Vintage.)
< 1744494866 811471 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(One of these five groups contains only a single card.)
> 1744495036 350276 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HAPPA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155752&oldid=155742 5* 03Stkptr 5* (-75) 10IO is irrelevant for Turing completeness, and a Turing complete language requires bidirectional data storage (like a tape, queue, or pair of stacks)
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< 1744495632 876044 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :five groups? (counting on fingers) un/acorn-cards; Ante cards; Shahrazad; dexterity cards like Chaos Orb; Crusade and six others. that's five, but didn't you say un-cards and five others?
< 1744495999 174791 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe the mystery boostr playtest cards, or the few other earlier cards that were published by Wizards but weren't intended to be tournament-legal but also aren't technically un-cards?
< 1744497333 958120 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The acorn cards remain banned. Some of them (and some (not all) of the mystery playtest cards) are legal in Extended-Pseudo-Vintage, though.
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< 1744499229 841754 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I love how Schaharazade gets her own category.
< 1744499263 447254 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, wow, it really is "Shahrazad". What a quirky spelling.
< 1744499803 796788 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, that is how the name of the card is spelled, and it is the only card in that category.
< 1744499847 816476 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: yeah, it's funny because Chaos Orb was more obviously a mistake to print, yet they repeated it with Falling Star
< 1744499870 662957 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it is not the only place where that spelling is used but it isn't that common outside of Magic: the Gathering
< 1744499890 389644 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but Shahrazad is so flavorful that if they tried to repeat the same mechanic with any other flavor it would look bad in comparison
< 1744499934 861809 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I know of the card but I've never seen one in-person. It's one of those names that gets mangled with each retranslation of the story.
< 1744499938 249192 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so they didn't reprint it except as an un-card, and eventually they figured out Karn Liberated as a replacement that doesn't inherit the drawbacks
< 1744499984 944356 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: yeah, and sometimes M:tG has different spellings of a word on different cards
< 1744500083 324032 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: And it doesn't help that I played Hearthstone for a few years and I still have friends playing Runeterra. There are so many common one-color cards where I know what it does but not its MtG name.
< 1744500121 206646 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: that happens with Slay the Spire too. same name as in M:tG, very different card
< 1744502115 309262 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had tried to figure out how to define locales in Xlib and I found files in /usr/share/X11/locale/ with stuff such as "XLC     common/xlibi18n _XlcGenericLoader" and I also looked at the source code for Xlib, but I don't know what "common/xlibi18n" is (presumably it is a file name but I don't know where it is expected to be found), and I cannot find the documentation relating to this.
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< 1744503079 119323 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you know where is documentation for adding the new locales and writing your own code to handle this?
< 1744503190 696223 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I don't know, you could try to ask on #glibc
< 1744503263 954170 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There used to be a page on the freedesktop.org wiki but I can't find it. https://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/localization-guide/en/latest/guide/locales_x11.html looks like it has some of the necessary steps.
< 1744503450 514746 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose glibc is also relevant because setlocale will have to accept it too
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< 1744504061 426057 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I found some information about glibc locales. However, it seems to require Unicode for some purposes, so I don't know how to make it work without (or how to implement stateful encodings). However, I only need the locale for Xlib, so as long as setlocale function accepts it even if it cannot otherwise do anything with it, might be acceptable. (There are other problems with glibc and POSIX locales too anyways)
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< 1744504101 403004 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(For one thing, I think many of the things they put in there don't belong there anyways)
< 1744504442 655685 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :But, that isn't my concern right now; I wanted to know how to work it with Xlib.
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< 1744504885 457819 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: I stubbed two articles on low-level parsing machines designed for meta, LPeg and META II. The latter also has a WP article, if you'd like more examples.
< 1744504920 674296 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also was considering OMeta or Ohm, as well as (the UNIX flavor of) TMG, but I don't think that those are likely to be useful for you.
< 1744504961 158738 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OMeta is meant to be hosted as a DSL inside a fairly rich ALGOL derivative. Ohm is slow and IMO a dead end due to not being able to leave ECMAScript.
< 1744504962 154930 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I did't know Xlib was involved, I thought locales were handled through libc only
< 1744504972 450597 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I am pushing up to the limits of what a high level assembly language that does not compiler down to the machine code could be
< 1744505022 845113 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :TMG is interesting, but ultimately it's not a line of research which allows for the meta-language to vary with the needs of compiler authors. If you like it, look at its offspring, particularly the Bison/YACC lineage.
< 1744505061 477748 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :What are those limits?
< 1744505064 44572 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was saddened to find that posix doesn't come with yacc
< 1744505092 103598 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :well like I don't think I can make my assembler language more performant without translating to machine code and then executing the machine code
< 1744505151 8657 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You could likely translate to a *virtual* machine, which is a lot easier than native JIT if you're limiting yourself to C.
< 1744505169 61170 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think my program is a virtual machine
< 1744505791 527176 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Xlib has its own locale handling but uses the locale set by libc, which means I think both are required
> 1744505920 268153 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155756&oldid=154088 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1034) 10/* Make it even  scarier !!!! */ new section
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< 1744509445 982339 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It seems that one thing I will need to do is to make that setlocale(LC_CTYPE,0) will be able to return the locale name that I want if that locale is set. However, I can't set a locale unless libc allows it (even if the locale is otherwise empty; glibc seems to require locales to be Unicode and in this case I want to create non-Unicode locales, but it might not matter if the locale doesn't actually do anything).
< 1744509555 597371 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It seems that, on my computer, it accepts the locales called "C", "POSIX" (which gets converted to "C"), "en_US.UTF-8", "en_CA", "en_CA.UTF-8", and  "en_CA.ISO-8859-1"; nothing else I tried works.
< 1744509667 696954 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I don't actually need any of those other than the "C" locale, although I want to add another one in order that the setlocale function allows it to be selected (and will return the name I have defined for it rather than changing it to a different one), even if the new locale has no meaning otherwise.)
< 1744509711 66532 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Also, I think I don't need the new locale to work with any category other than LC_CTYPE.)
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> 1744510763 637113 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155759 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+7) 10Created page with "{{WIP}}"
> 1744510957 553458 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155760 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1175) 10Created page with "Here is the forum of this langauge.  = Name = I also used AI, and DeepSeek-R1 gives me the name "". Is that name good?  Also, DeepSeek said that Korean are used for stack-operation and Japanese(especially Katakana) are used for function define, and Chinese are contr
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< 1744511333 960705 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm doing one of those things where I listen to a greybeard interview and summarize the findings. Hopefully folks will let me know if they want transcriptions?
> 1744511802 90379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tmg14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155762 5* 03Corbin 5* (+2241) 10Stub an important historical language.
> 1744511865 486093 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07META II14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155763&oldid=155734 5* 03Corbin 5* (+21) 10One of two influences on one of Knuth's metacompilers.
< 1744512087 540434 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: ^^ Stubbed Tmg. It could be what you're looking for; it's a very powerful formalism. It does require a fair bit of RAM and was eventually outcompeted by the YACC approach which supports fewer grammars but is much smaller and faster.
< 1744513649 653572 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Somebody talk me out of CHR(META II). It sounds like a lot of work but also *very* funny.
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< 1744520416 349186 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Idea of esolangs: programming language that is made of only characters that are not in Unicode (and possibly that are not in any other character set either, but that is even more difficult)
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> 1744524626 841161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155771&oldid=155675 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+165) 10Programming language that only uses characters that are not in Unicode (alternatively, only uses characters that are not in any other character set than its own).
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< 1744530907 287356 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
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> 1744548489 323376 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Joachim 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:UPLHelloWorld.gif10]]": A screen capture showing the execution of an Hello World program in UPL.
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< 1744551023 556304 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thinking about Futamura projections and specializers. A syntax-directed compilation, as a program, could represent a morphism in a category of compilers. But the implementation seems hard given the available metacompilers.
< 1744551060 598757 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, in META II or Tmg, it's not hard to imagine an identity compiler for a given syntax; each rule contains actions which pretty-print itself.
< 1744551180 443501 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :In META II, for each terminal like `.id`, there would be a following quine, like `.id .out(*)`, and similarly for each literal like `'/'` a quine like `'/' .out('/')`.
< 1744551203 430407 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :META II has whitespace issues which have known fixes. Tmg's good to go.
< 1744551251 225196 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But that's the easy part. More difficult is composition; given two syntax-directed compilers where one can feed into the other, how can we *compute* the composite compiler?
< 1744551316 275628 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even given Tmg's relatively nice algebra, it seems like this could only be done by a Turing-complete simulation of the second compiler in terms of the first compiler. It seems like it would be messy and require a lot of partial-evaluation trickery.
< 1744551640 576173 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...So last night I dreamed of how to take a product of two compilers. And one of the things I imagined was that there could be a natural curry.
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< 1744551873 794357 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, suppose I want to compose two META II programs, one from language X to Y and one from Y to Z. Instead of somehow simulating that second compiler in terms of the first, maybe we could recompile the first one into a language that parses X and returns instructions for parsing Y in terms of Y.
< 1744551899 204451 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And this new curried compiler, when run on a compiler from Y to Z, produces the desired final product from X to Z.
> 1744551917 804704 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Joachim 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:UPLLogo.png10]]": The logo of UPL.
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< 1744557156 37699 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I compiled my yacc compiler bomb into a regular expression: ^(0*1){0,23}(1(0*1){23})*$
< 1744557168 755956 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but disappointingly, so far I haven't found a regex engine that struggles with it
< 1744557203 636794 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :either they use backtracking (which is good at that regex even though it's exponential-time in general), or they compile the regex lazily to avoid exponential behaviour on that sort of regex
< 1744558978 817405 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : I was saddened to find that posix doesn't come with yacc ← POSIX does specify yacc but it might be an optional component
< 1744559017 256985 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wrote my own POSIX yacc in Perl, with the motivation being "you can ship this with your program and use it to build your .y files even if the target system doesn't have yacc, as long as it has Perl, and most systems do"
< 1744559051 341704 :izabera!izabera@user/meow/izabera PRIVMSG #esolangs :now you just need to add perl to posix
< 1744559062 676702 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, POSIX yacc is weird in a number of ways and I think the only reason to use it is compatibility with existing programs
< 1744559090 365986 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in particular it specifies a number of things that block reasonable-looking optimisations, and the way it does precedence is weird and slightly broken
< 1744559223 225364 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : But that's the easy part. More difficult is composition; given two syntax-directed compilers where one can feed into the other, how can we *compute* the composite compiler? ← I think this one is interesting if you restrict the compilers to be in some restricted sub-TC compiler-writing language, it's an interesting question as to whether it composes
< 1744559303 585825 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been thinking a lot recently about "parse with a context-free grammar into an AST, then convert the AST into a string via providing a template string for each AST node", which is a somewhat restricted but surprisingly useful way to write simple compilers or at least transpilers
< 1744559403 138998 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. to transpile BF to C one of the rules might look like «'[' commands ']' => "while(*ptr) { $2 }"», i.e. the output contains «while(*ptr) { » and « }» literally, and places the result of compiling «commands» in between them
< 1744559438 37322 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yacc works similarly to that but generates code that runs as part of the parser, rather than generating an output string
< 1744559480 509621 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I'm not sure whether this composes with itself or not, but it'd be interesting if it did
< 1744559545 177159 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess if it the first compiler pretty-prints from the AST and the second one parses back into the same AST, it trivially composes, so to get interesting behaviour there would have to be some sort of rebracketing going on
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< 1744565140 694956 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Sure, that's like what Tmg offers. But just like with Futamura's original projections, I think that there's some serious engineering work being handwaved.
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< 1744566089 35924 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Oh, also see this example: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Brainfuck_to_C_translator_in_Unix_TMG.png
< 1744566152 864239 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can *imagine* the partial evaluator, but it seems like it's not gonna actually be fun to write.
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< 1744569847 610299 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: hmm, that example is a lot more complex than I was imagining
< 1744569900 127443 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also the string notation is bizarre (it appears to be angle-bracket-delimited, but accepts both <<> and <>> as valid strings)
< 1744570439 670653 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, I think I figured out the complexity – it is to indent the outputted C correctly
< 1744570569 404421 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, it seems to be numbering the rightmost nonterminal as 1, the second-rightmost as 2, and so on?
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< 1744570981 637899 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I found the docs: apparently the parsing rule is that > can appear as the first character but not later, sort-of like how [[] and []] work in regexps
< 1744571125 856121 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the reason I was confused is that when strings use paired starting and ending delimiters, I expect them to nest (because that's the main advantage you get from using two different delimiters rather than a single delimiter)
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< 1744574190 641529 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yeah, but at least it fits on a single page.
< 1744574734 457250 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this logically means that a > mid-string is escaped as ><>
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< 1744576322 637566 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: so after looking up Tmg, I think the style of compiler I described above is substantially different; Tmg is imperative, whereas my style is declarative
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< 1744578645 998100 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I'm struggling to find a difference when it comes to Futamura reasoning. We want the imperative action of *computing* the residue; it's not enough to merely declare that it exists, because we're concerned with the fine structure of the residue.
< 1744578689 57046 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: well I was thinking about maybe using a different style of reasoning – if the compilers have a regular enough structure we may be able to find a function that composes the structure
< 1744578714 690691 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example, imagine if the compilers are finite-state transducers; we know those compose because there's an algorithm for composing finite-state transducers
< 1744578728 45787 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, the compositions exist, if that's the concern. They're just not efficient.
< 1744578827 790205 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Given two Tmg programs and a TMG implementation for some machine M, we can compile both programs to M and then run them in sequence. And it seems like Tmg is sufficiently surjective as a computational system; if it can compile X to Y and Y to Z, then it should have a compiler from X to Z.
< 1744578857 730727 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But the partial evaluation of Tmg on Tmg seems as tough as any other partial evaluation.
< 1744579067 897686 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(There is a real concern, particularly with jank languages like Tmg, that the compiler-compiler will get stuck when compiling Y to Z if it sees invalid input. So we'd like these to be *correct* compilers, and the first compiler must always emit valid Y.)
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> 1744637929 671471 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155862&oldid=155861 5* 03HDPelmenRussianEdition 5* (-189) 10/* RottenTree */
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> 1744638990 162581 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155871&oldid=155870 5* 03Ais523 5* (-11) 10/* Tests */ you're probably trying to do this, I think?
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> 1744641403 723732 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:HDPelmenRussianEdition14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155885&oldid=155884 5* 03HDPelmenRussianEdition 5* (-328) 10Blanked the page
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> 1744643893 737345 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155893&oldid=155534 5* 03Darkloyd255 5* (+42) 10/* Lesser known programming languages */
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< 1744644864 583978 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ugh, the "Lesser known programming languages" is a specific set of languages and yet people are adding to it
< 1744644877 74066 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we might need to move that section to a page describing them specifically
< 1744644892 924331 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that said, they had one-line joke descriptions, which some people fleshed out into full languages)
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< 1744648924 771947 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is, apparently, already a page describing them specifically: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Lesser_known_programming_languages
< 1744648930 482372 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It was linked from one of them.)
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< 1744677758 766555 :amadaluzia!~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia QUIT :Quit: Hi, this is Paul Allen. I'm being called away to London for a few days. Meredith, I'll call you when I get back. Hasta la vista, baby.
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> 1744680813 153561 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Cat (Language)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155912 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+4) 10Created page with "meow"
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> 1744680979 24508 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Calculus is fun14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=155914&oldid=151234 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+66) 10
> 1744681086 606599 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Be1-14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=155915 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+141) 10Created page with " bye - prints bye  eniuq - prints the quine but backwards  11 cans of coke - variant of 99 bottles of beer  minus - decreases the accumulator"
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< 1744762790 583563 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I'm imagining a structure for storing metacompiler programs. It would be like a git repo where every program has an associated triple, and the relevant query would be to ask for a path from one language to another upon an available metacompiler.
< 1744762811 134267 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, the question, right. Did you build something like this for Esimpl already?
< 1744762869 620176 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not yet, I wanted to do something like that eventually but didn't get very far
< 1744762912 797555 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I got as far as finding a specification for Esimpl itself I was happy with, but have basically written none of the masses of tooling I eventually envisaged for it
< 1744763008 526195 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, no worries. Did you write down any of your ideas? Right now I'm mostly just irritated with the fact that I'll have to assign names to languages injectively, which means that experimenting with dialects is going to be unfun.
< 1744763078 229199 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anything I did write down will be in the Esimpl article – and my ideas were basically all very high-level
< 1744763106 635824 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But the standard lore is isomorphic to what I've got so far. Like, there's technically no difference between "meta2-brainfuck-c" and anything I might dream up, besides improving the ergonomics over .split("-").
< 1744763130 98122 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know that I wanted to build a single megaprogram that compiled between any supported languages, and implemented all the supported languages (possibly by compiling into Esimpl and interpreting itself), and had a quine-like ability to recompile itself into any supported language
< 1744763154 168434 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I was planning to go between a common language, most likely Esimpl and restricted dialects of it
< 1744763235 675346 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay. Would it be important/valuable to you for a tool to support many different common languages, or would you prefer a tool that was specialized to just one common language?
< 1744763237 377915 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so all that's needed is (supported language) → Esimpl compilers, Esimpl → (supported language) compilers, and one interpreter for any of the supported langauges
< 1744763283 948679 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, I mostly cared about the end result, and thought that going via one common language or a few very related common languages (e.g. stack-Esimpl and queue-Esimpl) would be the easiest way to do it, but I didn't particularly care about the implementation details
< 1744763314 48435 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also, the bundle-an-interpreter compilation method is totally valid for this, so interpreters can be used in place of compilers if necessary)
< 1744763365 604550 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I basically see this as a pathfinding problem, but if there's only one common language then pathfinding is easy
< 1744763415 560052 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :more generally, if the set of available compilations is a tree then pathfinding is easy, but this is complicated by the possibility of compilations possibly being one-way and it's unclear how a tree generalises to directed grpahs in this case
< 1744763457 48144 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even if the tree has to be loaded incrementally from a database, there's an admissible A* heuristic which says "at least one more".
< 1744763507 11407 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which I know is not exactly efficient, but it is technically A* and thus I should receive a good grade~
< 1744763515 811302 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is being graded?
< 1744763541 869033 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : I assumed I might be writing large parts of this in raw Esimpl, so i didn't want to make the pathfinding (or anything else, really) more complicated than it has to be
< 1744763557 714104 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, if I have a compiler from anything higher-level to Esimpl I could just write in that as the original language
< 1744763571 707495 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I don't have such a compiler, though, yet, and making a good choice of high-level language could be difficult)
< 1744763618 557654 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh! I remember one of my plans now – I was going to adapt an existing parser-generator to output in Esimpl, so I could write the parsers in a high-level language
< 1744763672 929300 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Esimpl can implement a shift/reduce parsing automaton really easily
< 1744764137 863877 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, that makes sense.
< 1744764480 188220 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a parser + pretty-printer (that use the same AST format but for two different languages) is actually sufficient to transpile many simple esolangs
< 1744764615 648673 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although Esimpl isn't a great target for doing that directly due to its need to number things, so you might need some way to generate sequence numbers in the resulting code
< 1744764708 939892 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, now it's starting to come back – I also had an idea for something that converted control-flow graphs (represented using block structure like BF's []) into numbered basic blocks, primarily for that purpose
< 1744764788 582470 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep. I've been spending a lot of time today pondering that. Cammy doesn't have a character type yet, but ignoring that, a parser is just a particularly fun monad in the folklore, and the relevant writer-monad transformer just returns a list of emitted lines.
< 1744764832 917644 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :META II emits lines and can be transformed into something which gives character-level control within a line. So can Tmg. So can either of them emit a Cammy program? If so, it'd be the easiest way to import parsing theory into Cammy.
< 1744764886 234500 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, maybe I'll see if there's a challenge for this on codegolf SE yet
< 1744764912 552048 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably converting BF [] into a list of numbered transitions
< 1744764938 610367 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suspect that the big issue is that both META II and Tmg have some sort of implicit general recursion disguised as explicit structural recursion. I don't know how dire that gets, but I'd need to find a well-founded counter for every recursive rule or figure out something else.
< 1744765016 199140 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, if *that*'s the problem, many parsing styles like LR(1) have recursion depth bounded by the number of tokens in the input, because pushing a stack entry (either call stack or state stack, depending on how it's implemented) can only happen when reading a token
< 1744765109 328662 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"write a parser automaton that you can prove total" is a topic that I'm really interested in, because a parser that's proven total and correct is also a proof that the grammar is unambiguous
< 1744765154 968843 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and producing those eventually turns into a universal test of reasoning power because determining context-free grammar unambiguity is Turing-complete
< 1744765255 648642 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh! Both META II and Tmg should admit Earley grammars. So I can just encode an Earley machine and spend cubic time at worst. Still a lot of work, but plausible.
< 1744765334 20363 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :META II is interesting because it *should* encode PEGs but I can't quite work out how everything comes together. Probably not motivated enough.
< 1744765439 439145 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, now I'm wondering whether it's decidable whether a CFG has a linear-time parsing algorithm; my guess is no but I'm not at all sure
< 1744765472 479715 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, clearly undecidable, you can come up with parser rules that are only reachable if a certain TM halts
< 1744765486 830656 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if it doesn't halt the language parses in linear time
< 1744765508 161963 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(this is assuming that there's at least one CFG that can't be parsed in linear-time, which seems likely but maybe hasn't been proven?)
< 1744765548 895733 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, I should sleep
< 1744765550 747527 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :night
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< 1744765558 287561 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But note that you can decide whether a CFG has any associated PEGs which accept a subset; just try converting the unordered choices to ordered choices in all possible ways.
< 1744765567 995135 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, right, EU time. Sorry! Night.
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< 1744831932 835872 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh there's some Factorio speedrunning related drama around a "fix" that raised the requirements of a bunch of enemy related achievements so that current 100% runs would no longer trigger them. https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?t=128162
< 1744831952 46220 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(discussion starts about 5 replies in)
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< 1744832314 473160 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hah. "Watch the devs rollback that bugfix and add a new achievement for 'finish the game in 40 hours with default settings'" (The starting point of all of this is that 100% doesn't use default settings.)
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< 1744832691 866561 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: or they'll just be playing old versions from now on
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< 1744832728 800793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :TBH I expect a 90% (whatever the precise math works out to) category. Or a mod, but wouldn't that completely disable achievements instead?
< 1744832749 468602 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Unless Wube can be persuaded but that doesn't seem to be the case.
< 1744832842 737732 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I have no horse in this race, just opinions)
< 1744832858 536872 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I think it might get reverted rather than merged into the stable branch
< 1744832906 679257 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a very old legacy bug, present long before Factorio 2, so it probably counts as a feature now. if they apply this, new players will be on unequal footing in getting the achivements, even outside of speedrunning.
< 1744832916 755524 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm? It's in version 2.0.45, isn't that a stable one?
< 1744832946 906471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Re: no horse... I don't even have the game)
< 1744832990 443396 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, they release versions as unstable, and after like two or four such versions, they put it onto the stable branch. the game is by default configured to only update to stable versions, though you can make it update to unstable. 
< 1744833074 745700 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least part of it is a genuine bug, as in the game shouldn't have worked that way, but it's an ascended bug now
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< 1744833126 436104 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, I see. 2.0.42 is currently stable. That was not obvious at all. (I found the info on https://direct.factorio.com/download/experimental )
< 1744833257 407755 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in the achievements are disabled if you enable the "peaceful" setting, which means that enemies don't attack from pollution or proximity, they only attack if you damage them. so achievement runs don't set "pacific". but they instead set the pollution settings so pollution doesn't spread at all, which is close enough for practical purposes: if pollution doesn't spread at all then you just have to make 
< 1744833263 417216 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure you don't pollute in the same chunk (aligned 32×32 tile square) as a biter base, and don't go close enough to a biter to trigger proximity attack, and you're fine. you can just build your base without the enemies bothering you. (except you do have to trigger a small attack once or twice for specific achievements)
< 1744833296 413648 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is exactly why there are experimental releases: advanced players can test them and find big problems like this.
< 1744833306 477192 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :funny, thedoh went full frontal assault mode and asked about biter base spawn blocking https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?t=128208
< 1744833370 254886 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was known for months, it's not related to this
< 1744833407 366141 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"makes it trivial to deal with biters" is not true by the way, for an all achievements run
< 1744833433 345969 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But has Wube "officially ruled" on it? It's a good thing to clarify that it's not a bug so it hopefully won't be fixed in a future update.
< 1744833434 243287 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that strategy can be useful, but "trivial" is a big exaggeration. 
< 1744833444 669578 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Pretty sure thedoh is being sarcastic.
< 1744833479 810160 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that thread https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?t=128208 is in the "not a bug" folder, so the ruling is not a bug
< 1744833511 466452 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've watched a few of her runs and seen some comments on other streams and that seems to fit her general disposition.
< 1744833622 719844 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I'm not disputing that it's now classified as "not a bug". The post is from today and came after the other "bugfix", where the justification is that achievements shouldn't be trivialized.
< 1744833626 678143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION shrugs
< 1744833779 599254 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, but since that one doesn't trivialize the achievements so not a bug is a reasonable take
< 1744834689 175250 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Unrelated: "I should just use an existing portable assembly language" is such a trap. Java, OCaml, and Go all offer something like that and it's not worth it.
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< 1744834975 343541 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: webassembly?
< 1744834983 924319 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait, that reminds me
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< 1744836708 369100 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Maybe? WASM's not bad, but GC is still a pain.
> 1744836812 897849 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Metacompiler14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=156014 5* 03Corbin 5* (+1995) 10Stub a concept. This is actually fairly complete, though!
< 1744836902 46421 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can somebody double-check the orientation of the languages in [[Metacompiler]]? I think I got it right; the metacompiler in [[META II]] is the given program, and then there's a bootstrapping artifact in an assembly language which can regenerate itself under that metacompiler.
< 1744836944 964995 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which means that in terms of build-host-target, the metacompiler is written in the host language, and the fixed point connects build and target. Which feels backwards.
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< 1744837114 942305 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wrote some local scripts to test this out, including an interpreter for META II's original assembly language which can regenerate a fixed point. I'd test with Tmg but its metacompiler is quite a bit larger!
< 1744837135 857961 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: What do you mean by "GC is still a pain"? (GC wouldn't be at my top of requirements for a portable assembly language, but maybe I misunderstand the connection)
< 1744837182 998325 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I'm mostly compiling high-level functional constructions and have gotten used to having a GC. I'd need to do a lot of monomorphizing and defunctionalizing to squeeze into WASM's way of doing things.
< 1744837223 156862 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a WASM-GC extension that was ratified a year or two ago, but support is spotty and none of the runtimes are very efficient yet.
< 1744837280 498522 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I could just write my own WASM interpreter.
< 1744837350 16305 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ugh, okay, I need to rephrase some of [[Metacompiler]] to not suck. Lunch first though.
< 1744837484 299914 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay. yeah they barely have dynamic memory allocation (memory.grow)
< 1744837870 644926 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: re "existing portable assembly language", see https://www.linusakesson.net/games/stranded64/index.php
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< 1744843215 759312 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would think that how important GC is would depend what the portable assembly language is being used for.
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< 1744844814 443323 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Oh wow, what a fun story. It is really interesting to think about how emulation is merely a 2-4x slowdown, which is sometimes not that much.
> 1744844915 522798 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Metalanguage14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=156034 5* 03Stkptr 5* (+3314) 10Create page
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< 1744866308 855418 :amadaluzia!~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia QUIT :Quit: Hi, this is Paul Allen. I'm being called away to London for a few days. Meredith, I'll call you when I get back. Hasta la vista, baby.
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< 1744884734 229573 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you know how I want to make a column-sensitive language? the columns that tokens are in are significant in that each column works as a variable name. you put a mark in a column to indicate that you're accessing that variable.
< 1744884737 744615 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the fictional history, just like Fortran this was invented with the source on fixed-width punch cards, but these days the sources are ordinary unix ascii text files. unix text files complicate the matter because now you can use tab characters.
< 1744884741 183396 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the wimpmode, a linefeed or carriage return resets the column to 0, a printable character or space advances the column by 1, and a tab jumps the column to the first tab stop that is strictly after the current column.
< 1744884750 551409 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the programmer can define tab stops as a list of column positions and a mark for where the distances start to repeat periodically after the last explicitly marked tab stop column.
< 1744884755 683836 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in normal mode, the columns are notionally determined by reading the file backwards: a linefeed or carriage return resets the column to -1, a printable character or space advances the column by -1,
< 1744884759 274314 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a tab jumps to the column with the first tab stop that is strictly before the current column. the tab stops repeat infinitely with periodical distances to the left instead of to the right.
< 1744884762 630282 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :only the columns are determined backwards, finding the tokens and syntax still goes forward as usual, you just assign column numbers to those tokens backwards.
< 1744884765 853466 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :while there are editors that handle the variable tab stops for wimpmode, I don't think there's any editor or even viewer that handles the normal mode.
< 1744884770 9996 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just checked Winword, because it has customizable tab stops. but when I try to put tabs into a right-aligned line, the position of the text becomes weird, I don't understand what the rule is, it's not just aligned to tab stops in any way.
< 1744884774 112928 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is even better news than I was hoping for: I thought maybe Winword handles normal mode fine, maybe it can align to tab stops but not the correct tab stops (eg. starts from the left instead of from the right).
< 1744884777 786440 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can write an example program in normal mode, and not only will you not be able to edit it properly, you won't even be able to view it without a specialized program.
< 1744884781 293028 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`ping
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< 1744884856 493753 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, there might be other software out there that does handle the tab stop rules for normal mode and I'm just not aware of.
< 1744884942 533514 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have some parts of the language figured out, but not all. I'm especially unsure about the control flow, though I do have an idea.
< 1744885029 726009 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, also for mutli-character tokens, the column of the token is the column of its first character in wimpmode but the column of its last character in normal mode so that you can usefully access the columns close to the right edge
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< 1744890694 198278 :strerror!~strerror@user/strerror PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right aligned, sounds like it could be from a history where the punch cards are invented by arabs
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< 1744890871 211795 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :strerror: no, if it's just a language that you write from right to left then you'd have the characters in the text file from right to left. that's just a mirroring of left to right text files and doesn't cause any complications. the trick here is that the characters are still listed in the source file left to write, but the columns are numbered
< 1744890871 710469 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :from right to left, and the lines can have variable lengths, so you don't know the column numbers until you read a whole line.
< 1744891116 92313 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you ignore the column dependence and tabs in the middle of a line, I think back aligned lines could actually be useful (in a semi-esoteric way) to write programs this way in a programming language built around that.
< 1744891119 335127 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You'd use a language that is written in kind of reverse polish notation, as in arguments first then function name in a function call, or rvalue first then the lvalue in an assignment. You're typing it from left to right, since this is more natural when you're nesting lots of function calls, such as an APL-like.
< 1744891120 394508 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You write a value, then you transform it with a function. But the code would be displayed on screen right-aligned, so that the top-level function call or the variable that you are assigning to is near the right of the screen, and you can easily scan the code for where a local variable is assigned.
< 1744891157 772770 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can still have indentation, which means tabs or spaces at the end of lines indicating blocks, shifting the right edge of the lines a bit to the left from the right margin of the paper.
< 1744891240 102424 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But there the right-aligned presentation doesn't change the semantics, you just display the code that way to make it easier for the programmer to understand.
< 1744891263 455856 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Whereas in the column-oriented language the right-aligned actually matters for the semantics.
< 1744891312 413469 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :For just right-aligned presentation you could write the code in Wordpad or any other formatted text editor, or run statements interactively in a HTML-based worksheet, you'd just set the textareas and other text right-aligned.
< 1744891344 172899 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And that does still work for column-oriented just as long as you don't use tabs.
< 1744891366 828268 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So for maximal esoteric, I want to use tabs in the source code.
< 1744891398 501045 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, not maximal esoteric, there are subjective aesthetic considerations for what kind of esoteric I want.
< 1744891424 650143 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have some rather specific ideas about the notation, I can tell about them if someone is curious.
< 1744891459 193271 :strerror!~strerror@user/strerror PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah.
< 1744891513 940209 :strerror!~strerror@user/strerror PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was imagining an alternate wimpmode (reverse each line?) which could be handled by an RTL text editor, but perhaps not.
< 1744891572 875274 :strerror!~strerror@user/strerror PRIVMSG #esolangs :Column oriented also makes me think of network sequence diagrams
< 1744891758 287954 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could kind of write the code in wimpmode in a normal text editor, then try to reverse every line to get normal mode. this doesn't quite work, because you have to reverse again each token, and in some rare cases that could break the program because what should be two separate tokens runs together into one token that you should have separated
< 1744891758 792316 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :with a space. in particular, this would happen if you have a minus sign right after a numeric literal, because when you reverse the tokens they'll merge into a numeric literal with negative instead of a subtraction. but if you pay attention to rare cases like that, this can be an easy way to write a normal mode program.
< 1744891837 651563 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(minus isn't actually a subtraction, but it has a normal function and I want to overload it to negative sign when it's before a digit)
< 1744892188 438820 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm planning one special syntax that really breaks when you reverse the lines, but you can still write programs reversed if you are deliberately planning the program to only work with lines reversed and not in wimpmode.
< 1744892372 509986 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Namely although almost every other token refers to at most a single column, I'm planning to handle C-like block scoped variables with a brace block that makes every column to the left (right in wimpmode) of the braces local (refer to new local variable names unrelated to those outside the braces; but columns to the right (left in wimpmode) of the
< 1744892373 14615 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :braces are not localized, they refer to the same variable names as in the surrounding scope.
< 1744892419 17372 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh wait, actually \
< 1744892431 955332 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have a bigger problem with reversing every line even without the braces
< 1744892457 699657 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was wrong above, you can't just reverse a wimpmode program to get a normal progra
< 1744892500 482456 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The trick is that function calls and other constructs are executed in the order they appear in the source, so if there are two function calls in the same line they'll run in the opposite order if you reverse the lines
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< 1744892541 665584 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this isn't a problem if you write every call into a separate line, and though you certainly can do that, it can result in sparser code
< 1744892651 415762 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nor is it a problem if the two calls commute and don't access the same variable. but you will very often want to pass a value from one function to the other in the same line, which breaks, and even without that if both functions have side effects that can be a problem
< 1744892732 894741 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for the braces, I'll probably have to define them so that you can use either the left-facing or right-facing localization in either wimpmode or normal mode, it's just that localizing variables on the left (right in wimpmode) is more natural style.
< 1744892847 387172 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the braces really don't work well if you mirror when there's a reference to a variable in the same line as the brace, because a reference in an earlier token (to the left) from the opening brace is never localized, while a reference after it would be localized by right-localization; similarly a reference in the same line as a closing brace but
< 1744892847 885514 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :after (to the right) of it is never local, but int he same line before the closing brace would be local for left-localization
< 1744892951 117990 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but still, if you are planning from the start to reverse the program, you could write it reversed in a normal text editor, it just wouldn't work in wimpmode
< 1744892970 488204 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :alternately you can write a normal mode program in a right-aligned text editor but without tabs, and then later unexpand the tabs
> 1744893036 411143 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Onechar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=156086&oldid=155832 5* 03Cycwin 5* (+170) 10So my English is really not good....
< 1744893110 35009 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though of course for style you might not want to unexpand *all* spaces to tabs, sometimes you'd use a tab to delimit a range of columns that logically form a group, but in other parts of the program a logical group is too wide so it spans across that tab stop so you'd use spaces within it
< 1744893476 611188 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll try to explain some of the syntax. Every token in the source code is either an opcode or an accent. An operation is made from an opcode and zero or more accents attached to it. The opcode is typically the name of a function, but there are other opcodes for eg. defining a function or control flow or the above mentioned braces for localization.
> 1744893535 551123 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:BF busy beaver14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=156087 5* 03C++DSUCKER 5* (+189) 10Created page with "I though the definition of a busy beaver 'takes the most steps' not 'takes the most specific steps? ~~~~"
< 1744893601 661234 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The simplest accents are the backtick and the apostrophe. The backtick ` is attached to the first opcode following it (which may or may not be in the same line), and denotes an input operand for that operation. Imagine it as a little L-shaped pipe that captures the variable from the column above and directs it to the opcode to its right (though it
< 1744893602 159654 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :may actually be to its left in a later line, in which case the graphical metaphor breaks). Similarly an apostrophe ' is attached to the last opcode preceding it (which may or may not be in the same line), and denotes an input operand for that operation.
< 1744893633 483813 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :A comma is attached to the first opcode after it and denotes an output operand, while a dot is attached to the last opcode before it and denotes an output operand.
< 1744893715 132955 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now an operation may have one additional input operand besides those that it gets from accents, namely the one in the column of the opcode itself, which is the last (first in wimpmode) column of that opcode token. Similarly it may have one additional output operand besides those it gets from accents, the column of the opcode itself.
> 1744893804 452884 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=156088 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+2979) 10Created page with " is a programming language designed by PSTF, inspired from [[SLet (Old 3)|SLet 3]].  ==Data types== In this esolang, there is 5 data types.  : Fraction/Float. Size is unlimited. Division by 0 is NaN.  :  or .  Pair: A pair of objects. One former value and one latter valu
< 1744893853 398292 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Whether the extra input operand or output operand is actually present is determined from the number of input operands and output operands that the opcode expects. Opcodes can be overloaded with the same name and multiple different number of operands, but if two opcodes with the same name have input operand counts that differ by at most one and
< 1744893853 897221 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :output operand count that differs by at most one that's an error.
> 1744893858 386862 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=156089&oldid=156088 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+5) 10
< 1744893900 635116 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So you can define a function with 1 input and 1 output, another with 3 inputs and 1 output, another with 6 inputs and 1 output, and another with 2 inputs and 3 outputs, all four with the same name.
> 1744893905 66554 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=156090&oldid=156081 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+13) 10
< 1744893996 24702 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :For functions, the input operands and output operands just mean the obvious thing, an input operand loads the variable from a column and passes it as argument to the function, while an output operand gets a return value from the function and stores it to the local variable in the column of that operand. For special opcodes that aren't functions,
< 1744893996 524643 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the meanings can be different from this, but the syntax of how the operands are determined is the same.
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> 1744894091 559622 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF busy beaver14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=156091&oldid=140520 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+190) 10
< 1744894167 165415 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :In particular, according to the current plans, the opcode foo& starts the definition of a function named foo with an even number of input arguments, and the output operands of that foo& opcode are variables where those arguments will be stored in the function. Similarly foo% starts the definition of a function named foo with an odd number of input
< 1744894167 664206 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :arguments. There must be two separate sigils or else it would be ambiguous if the opcode uses its own column as one of the output operands (i.e. a local variable to store one more argument).
< 1744894230 273293 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now there are more accents than the four I mentioned above. Three will definitely make the cut, I'm still thinking about the rest. The tilde ~ is similar to the backtick in that it is an input operand for the following opcode, and the caret ^ is similar to the apostrophe in that it's an input operand for the preceding opcode.
< 1744894318 978615 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :How these differ is that the order of operands matter, and these let you put the operands in different order. In particular, the order of the input operands is: first the carets from last to first, then the backticks from first to last, then optionally the opcode itself, then apostrophes from first to last, then tildes from last to first.
< 1744894359 9621 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you don't care about how long your code is then backtick and apostrophe are enough: just put each accent in a separate line and then they'll be used as operands in that order. But the caret and tilde lets you write more compact code.
< 1744894498 524845 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The seventh accent is the minus - which is both an output operand for the previous opcode and an input operand for the next opcode. The column of the minus doesn't matter, in that this doesn't refer to a variable, instead if connects an output directly to an input. But the source code order that the minus accent appears before or after other tokens
< 1744894499 24102 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :still matters to determine the order of operands to both opcodes.
> 1744894510 796148 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Loop preventing brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=156092&oldid=152530 5* 03C++DSUCKER 5* (+43) 10
> 1744894519 879042 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Loop preventing brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=156093&oldid=156092 5* 03C++DSUCKER 5* (+90) 10
< 1744894544 659180 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There may be other accents, like one that's both input or output, or the same variable as input twice, but I don't know yet if I want to have those, probably no.
< 1744894687 61730 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also the graphics metaphor breaks in that if you have a backtick above a dot with no opcodes between, the dot that normally passes its value down will pass its value up to the top of the backtick, because they're the same variable name and the previous function that outputs on the dot will be executed before the next function that inputs from the
< 1744894687 559379 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :backtick.
< 1744894734 518413 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The minus is overloaded to make a negative numeric literal, which is unambiguous because a numeric literal doesn't take input operands.
< 1744894941 413506 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also I'm planning to have a well-defined C ABI. So you can define a function in C, declare it in the column-operated language and call it from there; or define a function in the column-operated language, declare it in C and call it from there. You can just link compilation units from the column-operated language to compilation units from other
< 1744894941 914185 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :languages that can handle the C ABI general enough, eg. C, C++, Rust, Zig, Haskell, whatever.
> 1744894981 133987 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=156094 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+2059) 10Created page with "{{WIP}}   is a semi-serious Esolang designed by [[User:PrySigneToFry]] to against [[WaifuScript]], and also called "ljb u da snra" or "Xiyouchangchu".  = Commands = Anything in square brackets is placeholder. so "uwu a" is correct but "uwu [a]" isnt. so the correct label
< 1744895036 206498 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There'll be a mangling scheme that maps the name, number of input operands, and number of output operands into a C identifier. And presumably I'll make a helper where if you declare or define a function in the column-operated language, it can output you some C function signatures that you can put in your C program, with the correct C name and
< 1744895036 706674 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :signature.
> 1744895042 311274 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Semi-serious language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=156095&oldid=155016 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+19) 10
< 1744895083 398849 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm planning to write all functions of the standard library in portable C, and make the reference compiler compile to portable C. There'll of course be non-function operations that aren't implemented in C but are built into the compiler.
< 1744895281 145547 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also every data type in the column-operated language corresponds straightforwardly to a type in C. You can easily define a new type using this. For each type, there's a function in the column-operated language that just copies a value of that type from its one input argument to its out output argument. This looks like a normal function in the
< 1744895281 644662 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :column-operated language (you could implement a new one with the same behavior), but for simplicity it doesn't correspond to a C function, it's just inlined into the compiled code all the time since it's a simple value copy.
< 1744895390 582601 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll have at least a fixed-size integer type and an array type in the standard library, but the core language and compiler barely has to know about these, they'll just be implemented as ordinary user-defined type, with the exception that there'll be some built-in syntax for numeric literals and string literals.
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< 1744897737 178602 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So here's roughly how the compilation notionally works. For every character in the source code, we determine its column number in the above mentioned way. This needs to know whether the source file is in wimpmode and the infinite descending (ascending in wimpmode) sequence of user-defined tab stop column numbers, and which characters in the input
< 1744897737 677910 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :are newlines and which are tabs.
< 1744897856 697431 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Non-ascii bytes and certain control characters set the column number to undefined -- these are allowed to appear in comments or string literals so we don't just forbid them, but we don't define how they affect the column number so that a later unicode extension could define the widths. If we later find that we need the column number of a character
< 1744897857 196353 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :whose column number is undefined, that's a compile error.)
< 1744898011 81968 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Independently of the columns, we tokenize the source code, determining which non-overlapping infixes are tokens (the rest of characters are mostly whitespace or comments). From just the syntax of the characters in each token we determine what kind of tokens they are (eg. which accent, built-in opcode eg. for control flow, function call opcode,
< 1744898011 580861 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :function definition/declaration heading opcode, type declaration opcode, etc).
< 1744898055 162707 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :For each token we save its column number too, which is just the column number of its last (first in wimpmode) character.
< 1744898097 889115 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :We match accents to opcodes, determining the list of input accents and list of output accents for each opcode.
> 1744898381 52109 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Selter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=156097&oldid=156084 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (+26) 10added smth i forgor what lol
< 1744898381 984126 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now here's the tricky multi-pass part. Find every function definition/declaration opening and closing operation, match them. The sigil of the opening opcode tells the parity of the input argument count, and the number of output accents to the opening operation tells the approximate input argument count, from these two you get the exact input
< 1744898382 484596 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :argument count. Similarly the sigil of the closing opcode tells the parity of the output argument count, and the number of input arguments in that closing operation tells the approximate output argument count, from these two you get the exact output argument count. also from the opening opcode you get the name of the function.
< 1744898497 90479 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now find each function call operation. The opcode tells the function name, the input accents give the approximate input argument count, and similarly the output accents give the approximate output argument count. Recall all functions defined with this name, and find the overload that has the matching number of input and output operands.
< 1744898654 465819 :amadaluzia!~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia JOIN #esolangs amadaluzia :amadaluzia
< 1744898806 573902 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now for each function call operation, since you know the number of input and output accents and the number of input and output arguments needed, so you add the column of the opcode as an extra input argument and/or output operand if that's required to match. Similarly for other built-in opcodes you determine if you need the opcode column as extra
< 1744898807 73465 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :operand, only there the arities don't count from declarations/definitions but from built-in language rules.
< 1744898832 321688 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now the following part is provisional and may change because I'm not sure yet if it works.
< 1744898925 171539 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :For every token whose column matters, we determine the corresponding variable name from the column and from scope brace-like operations that make some columns lexically local in a range of the code.
< 1744899252 276252 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :For every token where the column matters you also determine if it uses that column as value input and/or value output and/or something else. For these tokens and the braces you also determine the variable names. You also determine all possible control flow based based on functions/conditional/loop/branch operations. Now here comes the hard part.
< 1744899252 776353 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You put together the input/output references and variable names and control flow to determine the data flow, that is, which output operand can send data to which input operand.
< 1744899255 405624 :amadaluzia!~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
> 1744899324 216855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=156098&oldid=137475 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (+112) 10
< 1744899342 399300 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is hard because each variable name can correspond to different actual variables if the data flow isn't connected. Eg. in a sane language if you have `x=B(); C(x); x=D(); E(x);` then the first two instances of x are a different variable from the last two.
< 1744899567 729411 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You also use the function calls, which at this point are resolved to overloads, to determine which variables can be used as which input argument and/or output argument of which function. From these possible data flows you can do global type inference. This simply groups the variables into equivalence classes that must have the same type. In
< 1744899568 228248 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :addition, the copy opcode for any type is known to have that type as both its input and output operand. We also know the argument types of a few other built-in operations eg. numeric literals and string literals.
< 1744899631 978348 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is all we need to determine the types of every variable.
< 1744899711 197872 :amadaluzia!~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia JOIN #esolangs amadaluzia :Artur Manuel
< 1744899908 449962 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Function declarations have a syntax that look basically the same as a function definition with different sigils (and possibly some restrictions), but the body of the definition is used only for typechecking. Usually in the body you just put a copy opcode for every input and output argument to set the type of each argument. This is not strictly
< 1744899908 963213 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :necessary, you can have the argument types inferred from elsewhere in the same compilation unit. But if you do that then you may get an ambiguity where a type of an argument of an extern function is unknown, and that's an error because then we don't know the C ABI of calls, unless there are no calls to this function from this compilation unit.
< 1744900058 977537 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can ask the compiler to do the typechecking and emit column-operated language declarations for each function -- you can use these in a different column-operated compilation unit so you can call the function, or edit them to a definition in a different compilation unit to define the function that is called here.
> 1744900086 981558 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:BF busy beaver14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=156099&oldid=156087 5* 03Corbin 5* (+423) 10
< 1744900129 906253 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or you can ask the compiler to do the typechecking and emit C declarations for each function. You can edit this to an include file to call or define the functions from a C compilation units, or use them in more complicated ways for other languages that can handle the C ABI.
> 1744900218 342935 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope. with no quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=156100&oldid=151702 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+21) 10
< 1744900233 664477 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is somewhat similar to statically typed languages like Haskell, except that the language is imperative so we have assignments to variables instead of let/case statements, and also the type system is much simpler than what Haskell has, there are no parametrized types or traits or polymorphism etc.
< 1744900308 110684 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Only I'm not entirely sure that you can add a reasonable set of control flow built-ins and get something expressive enough. It's possible that the type system is too rigid and you need something slightly more complicated to be able to express some real-world programs conveniently.
< 1744900590 438323 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh yeah, it's possible that some built-in control flow opcodes takes a number as boolean input operand, if so then they also have a known argument type.
< 1744900645 82719 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname
> 1744901047 618487 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Forte14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=156101&oldid=95424 5* 03JHSHernandez-ZBH 5* (-28) 10
< 1744901448 938816 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname
< 1744902359 603302 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, Rust macros-by-example are an esolang I think
< 1744902389 949856 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also appear to be TC (you can implement StackFlow in them pretty much directly via using a macro that expands into a call to itself with different arguments)
< 1744902534 692111 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're really unintuitive because you can't expand a macro while a macro is running – all you can do is produce a macro call in the output
< 1744902615 830527 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs : wait, why StackFlow? how is that easier than a general multi-stack machine with arbitrary finite state control, the control encoded such that every state corresponds to a macro?
< 1744902637 31824 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it probably isn't, I just picked the first language that came to mind as trivially implementable
< 1744902644 748693 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1744902735 902650 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also you might run into the macro expansion recursion limit very quickly. you can change that limit, but I don't know if you can change it to high enough.
< 1744902847 530983 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think this hits a recursion limit at all, it's all tail calls – there might be a separate tail-call limit though
< 1744902868 90890 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not convinced macro recursion even exists in Rust
< 1744902881 562530 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the macro syntax looks like you can call a macro from another macro but you actually can't
< 1744902889 330331 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :heck, I think you can even implement a multi-register machine that can cons, empty list, and uncons, with a finite state control. It doesn't have to be just stacks. That can be more practical.
< 1744902894 642864 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what you can do is generate output that contains a macro call, and then that gets hit when re-parsing the output
< 1744902909 949748 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, tail recursion limit
< 1744902911 719157 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:c0e6:9a43:de22:8c0a QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1744903100 250215 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that reminds me, I was thinking recently that if you are writing a C++ compiler and the code can contain arbitrarily complicated C preprocessor constructs then it is very hard to make the error messages comprehensible. the error message may have to refer to locations in the code, but to uniquely identify a location in the preprocessed source code
< 1744903100 723921 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you may have to name a complex path in the macro expansion tree, with locations of macro calls, locations of a parameter in the macro definition, locations in the arguments in the macro call.
< 1744903141 784451 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also locations of include directives, and each include file may be included multiple times.
< 1744903169 295468 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you may have to give any number of locations in the non-preprocessed source code.
< 1744903196 3546 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rust macros deal with this via attaching an "original location" to every token and having macros copy it around
< 1744903201 975482 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not an ideal system but can be abused in interesting ways
< 1744903240 710595 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially with procedural macros, which let you copy the location from one token to another
< 1744903267 430591 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the current best way to produce an error in a procedural macro is to copy the location in the source onto a call to the compile_error! macro that you generate in the output
< 1744903294 257243 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that the compiler thinks that the compile_error! was written literally in the source code at that point, and thus highlights the location in question when producing the error
< 1744903311 670980 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure whether or not this was originally an intended way to do things, but it's useful enough that it's likely to stay at this point even if it was originally ab ug
< 1744903420 990099 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, not a bug, more like emergent behaviour
< 1744903561 973789 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also in traditional C++, user-defined types could almost be identified by a path through namespaces and functions and type names, function argument types, and template arguments, where each template argument can itself be a path. this was *almost* enough to uniquely identify a type, without mentioning source locations, which is useful for name
< 1744903562 471000 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :mangling. the only exception was anonymous namespaces. but now C++ has polymorphic lambdas, which are unnamed, so an error message may actually have to name a location in the preprocessed source to be completely unambiguous.
< 1744903602 554150 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course it could just give the index of the preprocessed token within the preprocessed source code, but that's hard for the programmer to interpret.
< 1744903620 811322 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :all the Rust macro-writing I've been doing recently has lead me to treasure anonymous things
< 1744903637 748380 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because you can't name things without potential name collisions in the surrounding code, and there isn't any sort of gensym
< 1744903658 505938 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you want to put code in anonymous things as much as possible, otherwise you have to ask the user for a name and it can look out of place
< 1744903673 423279 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :trait implementations are anonymous, those are a good place to put your code
< 1744903771 383310 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm actually parsing csv files using anonymous types: my parser library automatically creates a row type for every table. But this is in Python where handling anonymous types is much easier, the types are just first-class values.
< 1744903815 763149 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well I'm not *parsing* the files using them, I'm parsing the files into them and using the parsed data in the rest of the code using those anonymous types, and the same thing backwards for creating and writing a table to a file.
< 1744903914 875191 :lynndotpy6!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 QUIT :Quit: bye bye
< 1744903934 113478 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :As for Rust macros and anonymous things, I don't yet understand how names work in rust macros, I may or may not have to depending on what kind of macros I want to write in the future. Mostly I want to avoid macros where reasonable, but there are a few places where they're really useful.
< 1744903986 984558 :lynndotpy6!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 JOIN #esolangs lynndotpy :lynn
< 1744904066 857244 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I don't want to sound like a nefarious mystic, but I'm glad to hear that somebody else is seeing the folly of names.
< 1744904180 129963 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Um, that's for which thing, the rust macros, the C++ error messages with source locations, or for column-oriented programming where each variable name is a column number in a scope in a source file?
< 1744904208 212375 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: what are you referring to with "that" in your previous comment?
< 1744904219 549824 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this conversation is confusing enough as it is :-)
< 1744904268 211308 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do think your right-justified tabs are an interesting concept, I'm vaguely surprised I haven't seen it before
< 1744904269 179692 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::-P
< 1744904303 930033 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is simultaneously intuitive and difficult to explain
< 1744904305 718768 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :does anyone use Corel WordPerfect these days? I wonder if it supports right-aligned tabs, but I'm not going to buy a license just to find out
< 1744904334 790063 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have used it in the past, but it was a very long time ago and I doubt any of the computers with legitimate copies are still functioning
< 1744904353 212554 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I vaguely remember that it's popular among lawyers (something about Microsoft Word not counting words correctly, which is very important for lawyers)
< 1744904365 260383 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :on the opposite side, can anyone explain to me how the heck Winword positions the text in right-aligned lines in text, even in the simple special case when the paragraph fits in one line and all tab stops are right-aligned?
< 1744904374 649500 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:c0e6:9a43:de22:8c0a JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
< 1744904379 250279 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :when I submitted my PhD, I was asked the word count, and I gave three different word counts depending on how you defined it
< 1744904388 190658 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the highest included things like words that appeared in diagrams)
< 1744904423 892167 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: I don't have a Word license, but my guess is that it lays out the text left-aligned and then moves it right by the distance between the rightmost end of the text and the right margin
< 1744904467 907210 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, now I'm wondering how browsers handle tabs in right-aligned text
< 1744904511 772316 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think for my MsC-equivalent thesis this was backwards: the guidelines said that the thesis should be at least this many number of pages in this font size with this line spacing.
< 1744904541 450189 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, let me test that
< 1744904660 670906 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Chromium appears to use the "layout left-aligned then shift right" algorithm: data:text/html,
Hello,&%239;,&%239;world!&%2310;Hello,&%239;,&%239;world!!
< 1744904679 244765 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it took me an annoyingly long time to work out how to type a tab in a data: URI)
< 1744904820 164259 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I think you're right. I would never have guessed that as the rule.
< 1744904845 289989 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :isn't it fairly natural for a rule that comes up if you aren't thinking about the case at all?
< 1744904865 620129 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :FWIW, Firefox does the same thing too
< 1744904909 390912 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in general I am quite upset about typical handling of tabs
< 1744904976 887424 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially the way people reused the tab character for indentation even though its traditional meaning is too wide – I would be fine with a different character for indentation tab, but a tabulation tab is much too wide to be usable for indentation
< 1744904995 601301 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :example image of Winword with tabs: https://i.sstatic.net/XWkhvo4c.png
< 1744905028 98924 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so editors have to choose between interpreting tabs as indentation (common in programming editors nowadays), interpreting tabs as tabulation (which was tradtional), interpreting tabs as elastic tabs (which works really well but nobody implements), and implementing a somewhat awkward tab width of 8 which is too wide for indentation and too narrow for tabulation
< 1744905061 855028 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the traditional meaning is that you put user-defined tabs to any column you want by moving these little metal clips on a rail on the expensive typewriter
< 1744905075 595612 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you set the margins the same way
< 1744905080 510560 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep, traditionally tabstops were settable
< 1744905120 359197 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, one of the first systems I learned to program on (and the first where I was aware of what a tab even was) had 14-character tabstops, I don't know whether they were changeable or not but it was 14 by default
< 1744905155 470294 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :elastic tabstops make the tabs the minimum width that causes them to line up correctly, so they expand to the data when being used for tabulation
< 1744905183 830829 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and for indentation any width will do, so you can make them configurable there)
< 1744905200 203687 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, admittedly that example image is a little unclear because the first and third column has close to the same length
< 1744905329 29149 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :here's a clearer example: https://i.sstatic.net/FyO3Ss3V.png
< 1744905362 432210 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use TSV sometimes as an equivalent to CSV (it's basically CSV but you replace the commas with tabs, and generally deal only with data for which you don't need a quoting or escape syntax)
< 1744905382 334178 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the csvs that I'm working with are actually tab-separated
< 1744905390 792403 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the c doesn't stand for comma or colon anywhere
< 1744905395 809918 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is so much better than CSV – if you have wide enough tab stops (or elastic tabs) it lines up neatly in your editor or pager, and it's much simpler to parse due to not needing to escape commas
< 1744905400 539296 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/anywhere/anymore/
< 1744905413 803754 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, I don't call it CSV unless it uses comma as a column separator and double-quotes strings that contain commas
< 1744905426 980675 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the double quotes are present
< 1744905446 910615 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and then you need a further escape syntax for strings that contain both double quotes and commas – I think doubling the double quote is most sensible, otherwise you need a third escape character and a way to escape that)
< 1744905507 383173 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, how does CSV that quotes text handle numbers that contain commas?
< 1744905516 889570 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :are you supposed to just not use it in mainland Europe?
< 1744905557 664088 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…or separate the columns with periods, I guess
< 1744905572 116434 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :numbers could be quoted just fine, but I haven't seen actually comma-separated csvs for a while, only tab, semicolon, or colon separated
< 1744905606 680200 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, if you're quoting even with tab separators, the quoting presumably has a purpose other than escaping commas
< 1744905614 323625 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think it might be to distinguish numbers from text
< 1744905620 790109 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :otherwise you're just quoting things for no reason
< 1744905640 943181 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :including semicolon-separated ones written by a stupid program that doesn't bother to escape newlines in any way so the csv is ambiguous
< 1744905671 971152 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like if your data contains raw newlines inside the fields, CSV is probably an inappropriate format anyway
< 1744905696 209123 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but most of them are just tab separated, values can be surrounded by a double-quote in which case a double-quote is represented by two double-quotes and a tab or newline is literal; if a value isn't surrounded by double quotes then it mustn't contain double quotes or tabs or newlines.
< 1744905747 319582 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also most of them are in utf-16-le, but I have a few utf-8 ones as well
< 1744905769 130959 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, I'm using csv for compatibility with multiple other programs, not because I like it as a format
< 1744905773 430528 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does Windows still use UTF-16 by default?
< 1744905780 169529 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, "still" is a bit of a weird term
< 1744905798 480432 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"by default" is ambiguous here
< 1744905801 629537 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1744905818 510882 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it just provides a bunch of APIs and leaves it up to the developer to navigate them
< 1744905846 491053 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think, for a long time, the choice was between UTF-16 or a locale-specific 8-bit codepage
< 1744905862 830095 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and more recently UTF-8 was added but I'm not sure how it integrates or even which set of APIs it uses
< 1744905872 470404 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm leaning towards thinking that it uses the 8-bit APIs? but I'm not sure
< 1744905888 278575 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Excel can read tab-separated csv in just about any encoding, or it can save as tab-separated csv in either utf-16-le or locale-dependent encoding, but the locale-dependent can't represent every character so that's usually not a good idea. The other program I work with reads and writes only utf-16-le encoded tab-separated csv.
< 1744905925 263138 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, exactly, utf-16-le is supported in the most cases, so that's the default in some sense
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> 1744919235 165444 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=156120&oldid=156117 5* 03K 5* (+9) 10added nq so cool!
> 1744919364 36624 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NQ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=156121&oldid=156114 5* 03K 5* (+90) 10Added Categories
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< 1744943163 491004 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: In terms of computational complexity, how powerful is Tmg?
> 1744943175 878752 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Tmg is a highly expressive language with a focus on functional programming and metaprogramming. While it's not a general-purpose language like Python or Java, its unique features allow for complex computations. Its computational power is best described as **"highly specialized"**. It excels in areas like symbolic computation and data manipulation,...
> 1744943175 879822 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but its limitations in areas like general-purpose computation and concurrency make it less powerful than more general-purpose languages.
< 1744943193 34759 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not hoping for much, but I'm hoping that it's better than the LLM answer, which is based on incorrect statements in the Dragon Book and other early-70s formal-parsing tomes.
< 1744943218 496178 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: In terms of parsing theory, what classes of grammar can Tmg parse?
> 1744943467 676422 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Turing machines (Tmg) can parse any language that is **recursively enumerable**. This means the language can be generated by a Turing machine. Turing machines are a powerful model of computation, and they can handle a wide range of languages. Specifically, Tmg can parse: * **Generative grammars:** These can model all recursively enumerable...
> 1744943467 680401 PRIVMSG #esolangs :languages. * **Analytic grammars:** These can model a subset of recursively enumerable languages. * **Regular grammars:** These are the most restrictive, but still powerful.
< 1744943495 615645 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, it's not RAG'ing the right page.
< 1744943519 182521 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: In terms of parsing theory, what classes of grammar can Tmg (Transmogrifier) parse?
> 1744943760 272194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Based on the provided information, Tmg likely operates on a generative grammar model, capable of parsing recursively enumerable languages. This means Tmg can parse languages that can be generated by a Turing machine, which is a powerful class of languages. The text doesn't explicitly state what Tmg can parse, but its nature as a "Transmogrifier"...
> 1744943760 273424 PRIVMSG #esolangs :suggests it can handle complex language transformations.
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< 1744952889 313432 :wryl!sid553797@user/meow/Wryl PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait, the bot scrapes the wiki?
< 1744952920 420018 :wryl!sid553797@user/meow/Wryl PRIVMSG #esolangs :Where exactly is this LLM hosted and can it see these chats?
< 1744953410 296649 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I find on GitHub people are making the same complaints about 2FA that I did: that it is not really that much more secure, and that the program to set up 2FA does not even work properly. (Some even say it is less secure than not having 2FA at all. However, nobody seems to suggest supporting client certificates as a more secure alternative.)
< 1744953427 409704 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The private key of a certificate can be passworded, which means that it is already like 2FA.)
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