> 1746662957 367110 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Dgt2016 5* 10moved [[02ARLPLWAAWN10]] to [[Fava]]: I changed name to my lang :3 > 1746662995 903313 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ARLPLWAAWN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157319&oldid=157318 5* 03Dgt2016 5* (-18) 10Blanked the page > 1746666455 623110 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dgt201614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157320&oldid=157196 5* 03Dgt2016 5* (-149) 10 > 1746666872 686168 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fava14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157321&oldid=157317 5* 03Dgt2016 5* (+346) 10 > 1746667180 126830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Shifted brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157322&oldid=157173 5* 03L4.m2 5* (+58) 10 > 1746671198 604988 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FCompiler14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157323 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+1496) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}}{{stub}} [https://tio.run/##jVZNb@M2ED1bv2KiYrES7BrJ9uYih0W7BYoWbbHopRB0UKRxTIemFIra2Cj2t6dvSEqWk6DtxZBG8/Fm3vDR3cntWvPd83PdNky3VJTJ005ppj/twJtk4ewJvwuDT8p0g8vyde@s6rIcVrWl9Col0zp8JLMhcTPrvtPKZen3aV5cl5fucLilNN1Q3RqnzMAwS@V11XVsmszAj481d44@/f7TJ2tbu6 > 1746671218 649781 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:I am islptng/Draft14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157324&oldid=156876 5* 03I am islptng 5* (-3117) 10Blanked the page > 1746671282 637585 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FCompiler14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157325&oldid=157323 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+202) 10 < 1746675864 222705 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:ec68:4c33:1dc7:d036 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1746688299 475414 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1746688508 623874 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f14f:b20f:416b:87c6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1746690225 755908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1746693015 310631 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:ec68:4c33:1dc7:d036 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1746693929 879823 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FCompiler14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157326&oldid=157325 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+1870) 10 < 1746694208 221380 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:ec68:4c33:1dc7:d036 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic > 1746694573 555246 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07;;;*++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157327&oldid=157302 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+93) 10/* Implementation */ > 1746694582 383370 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07;;;*++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157328&oldid=157327 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (-12) 10/* Implementation */ < 1746695322 342907 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-063-063-254.084.063.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1746695370 90817 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:I am islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157329&oldid=157167 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+190) 10 > 1746695720 706796 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157330&oldid=157304 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+817) 10 > 1746695756 904949 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157331&oldid=157330 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+4) 10/* Users */ > 1746695832 968919 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BooleanFunge/Interpreter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157332&oldid=157244 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+51) 10 > 1746696466 214363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Parenthesys14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157333&oldid=157149 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+451) 10/* Examples */ > 1746696475 988554 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Parenthesys14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157334&oldid=157333 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+0) 10/* plushie-completeness proof */ < 1746696770 360728 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:ec68:4c33:1dc7:d036 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1746696802 921069 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-074-060-136.092.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs Melvar :melvar < 1746698725 932175 :FreeFull!~freefull@79.186.68.86.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull < 1746698752 277837 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f14f:b20f:416b:87c6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz… > 1746704513 770721 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Parenthesys14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157335&oldid=157334 5* 03JIT 5* (+0) 10 < 1746706152 107062 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1746706173 882731 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1746707133 423100 :ajal!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1746707148 421713 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1746707201 769240 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MetaInterpreter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157336&oldid=155195 5* 03JIT 5* (-298) 10 > 1746707259 274682 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MetaInterpreter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157337&oldid=157336 5* 03JIT 5* (+298) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/157336|157336]] by [[Special:Contributions/JIT|JIT]] ([[User talk:JIT|talk]]) > 1746708941 716118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157338&oldid=157331 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+5) 10/* Users */ < 1746710814 892442 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f14f:b20f:416b:87c6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1746712407 260022 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm. I'm wondering if one of the other editor communities (on Discord?) saw the articles about historical metainterpreters, got confused, and decided that the only way to understand the concept is by creating their own metainterpreters. < 1746712508 705275 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It occurs to me that there's two distinct ways of editing. The path I'm currently on is to build some stuff, and then document it if it could be interesting to others. Their path feels like some sort of land-grab or vanity publishing, where the important thing is to slap one's name onto territory. < 1746713185 53 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1746714046 873666 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net JOIN #esolangs * :sprout < 1746714824 235576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1746715050 778409 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1746715278 285981 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1746715284 843315 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1746715335 710376 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f14f:b20f:416b:87c6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1746715463 912264 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1746715493 155871 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I think that for those people, the act of editing is the output/creative step < 1746715515 86312 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, they're exploring esolangs live through the medium of wiki pages < 1746715558 253805 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure that all of them even know how to program, but in some sense, that doesn't actually matter – it's interesting that someone can be involved in esolang development without understanding programming, but in a way it makes sense < 1746715694 158657 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Well, it helps when we recall that humanity has no idea how to use a computer. < 1746715751 431944 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It also helps when we note that linguists have historically not only looked at formality as a technical curiosity but as an abomination which fundamentally can't describe natural languages. < 1746715785 674058 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Combine those and you get the typical conlanger, who doesn't want to talk about maths or computation but otherwise thinks that they can describe the universe. < 1746715821 520359 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"the ways in which natural languages differ from formalisations of them" is an interesting topic to study < 1746715855 695061 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think my speech is closer to matching a hypothetical formal grammar for English than most peoples' is, and i think that's a consequence of all the time I've spent programming < 1746715904 794945 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know that it's because I learned grammar trees as a child. Curiously, most of my cohort was presented with grammar too, but it didn't rub off on them. < 1746715936 377524 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Programmers don't have the luxury of not using grammars. < 1746715939 287927 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am reminded of things like trying to put "only" in the exact correct location in a sentence to convey exactly the meaning I want < 1746715971 621790 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's quite reminiscent of programming in a golfing language < 1746715972 59816 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I recently saw somebody complain that "technical", as used by computer-touchers, isn't well-defined. It's actually quite simple: to be technical is to be shallow and pedantic, to only care about details, to be incapable of assembling a big picture without noticing every brush stroke. < 1746715981 103083 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And of course, that's precisely what a computer demands. < 1746716016 706493 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. Non-programmers who learn Lojban have to do a similar thing for placement of {po'o}; it's a wider phenomenon. < 1746716037 772947 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been playing a lot of nomic recently, one of the skills in that game is to correctly interpret English sentences that may have been incorrectly written, and produce an exact pedantic meaning from them even if it wasn't the meaning that was intended < 1746716255 438906 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is a very interesting philosophical difference between us! I prefer playing when the system has goal or win conditions, or when comparison is possible, but otherwise I'm not interested. And I feel that way despite usually being near the bottom of the leaderboard. < 1746716297 11434 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nomic and similar systems are immediately not interesting; of course there's no context-free denotative semantics for languages like English, and so the resulting game is going to be wild in a way which doesn't have goals, winning, or comparisons. < 1746716336 91399 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, nomic as a game normally explicitly does have win conditions, written in English – even if there isn't one explicitly, there's always the inherent win condition of "change the rules to add a win condition, then achieve it" < 1746716374 517363 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it often turns into a game that's more about arguing how to interpret the rules than it is about actually trying to win by following the surface meaning of the rules < 1746716416 797134 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right. The metagame is rather obvious. Suppose I can do more pushups than my peer, but they can outrun me; those prior comparisons are easily converted into preferences for how the rules ought to evolve. < 1746716448 556045 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If we instead act from behind a veil of ignorance, then the game becomes too symmetric for analysis, and it's purely about which player has the strongest rhetoric. < 1746716453 607900 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net JOIN #esolangs sprout :sprout < 1746716454 313744 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :indeed – the second-level metagame that evolves from that is less obvious, though < 1746716491 737936 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm still not sure I (or anyone else) has really figured out that second level despite years of trying < 1746716520 271248 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nah, it's the same metagame that we play in the workplace or any other social group, and it's IMO fairly well-described by Gervais theory. For Nomic, the relevant dialect is Powertalk, the rhetoric of establishing what is known by each player and what can be bargained. < 1746716572 18082 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I happen to be a lifelong Loser, and perhaps that's why I don't care for Nomic. I *could* be a Sociopath, and sometimes I do that in order to get shit done, but fundamentally I understand that Sociopaths are harmful to society at large. < 1746716615 745687 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Reminder: the topic is the perennial observation that the wiki seems to be treated as a graffiti wall by a large segment of contributors.) < 1746716620 820514 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so there's a common metastrategy in nomic, sometimes called "pooling", where a set of players cooperate in order to cause one of those players to win, at the expense of the others – in many cases the choice of who will win is decided at random < 1746716649 574556 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. The corresponding sociological pattern is called "tontine". < 1746716652 701172 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :say two people pool, and decide they have a 90% chance for the pool to win but a less than 45% chance for either player to individually win, that makes it rational < 1746716727 974227 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, many people (including me) find this an uninteresting way to play because it tends to obviate all other strategies except "scamming" (exploiting non-obvious wording mistakes in the rules in order to get a large advantage, typically an instant win) < 1746716740 254361 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so, it's common to add rules to make pooling more difficult or less beneficial < 1746716891 316234 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f14f:b20f:416b:87c6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1746716898 184265 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the whole thing with the wiki is complicated because it is hard to say that the "low-effort" (as it were) contributions are invalid or unwanted – it's engaging with esolangs primarily/purely as an art form but that's a valid way to interact with them < 1746716931 819135 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the ideal fix would involve somehow making the higher-effort contributions more searchable < 1746716947 64828 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f14f:b20f:416b:87c6 QUIT :Client Quit < 1746716994 135146 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Of course. Similarly, I think I've said before that graffiti is art. It's also politically important, as it indicates to leadership what the common people think of their opinions. < 1746717041 971664 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think I've made many esolangs purely as art < 1746717045 892686 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Note that it is fairly straightforward to figure out whether something is a language. In that sense, we shouldn't really have trouble deciding whether submissions are invalid. < 1746717070 247737 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's Forte for which the aesthetics are important < 1746717076 470532 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Art is never pure. Art is cultural warfare. Art is expression of a meme within a contextual sea of memes. < 1746717083 710262 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f14f:b20f:416b:87c6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1746717107 450168 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, I personally see art as an attempt to communicate things that can't easily be stated directly < 1746717125 296900 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Monte is art. It's ugly, baroque, and nonetheless terser, faster, and safer than Python or F♯, and that's the memetic statement we wanted to make. < 1746717171 63854 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree that it can be very dependent on context, though (and even when it isn't obviously dependent on context, is normally dependent on being perceived by a human) < 1746717204 734033 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, "art" isn't a monosemous collection or relation. Rather, whenever we have memetic expression on some substrate, we could say that those memes are art. < 1746717215 556518 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw I think even the "than Python or F♯" part of your sentence is art in its own way < 1746717252 207249 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is meaning in juxtaposing those two languages in particular, as most programmers typically wouldn't consider them similar enough to be included in the same comparison < 1746717308 817740 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmpf, I guess it's hard to overload && and keep short-circuit evaluation. https://z3prover.github.io/api/html/namespacez3.html#aff9c56735ebfc47895ef746515c09096 < 1746717345 754509 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: indeed, you would need an overload feature that works for control flow operators, not just arithmetic operators < 1746717364 742295 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(solution was to do a && bool(expr) instead of a && expr) < 1746717390 191351 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is probably possible to make something like that work via having a language that "lazifies" arguments based on what function/method/operator is being caled < 1746717391 743967 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* called < 1746717403 738794 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yeah I know. The complaint is really that it looked so innocent in the source code :-) < 1746717409 283250 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it is also probably clearer to explicitly wrap the possibly-unevaluated arguments in closures < 1746717506 763352 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: FWIW the conlang community has long recognized the idea of artlangs and recognizes that there's a fairly dramatic difference between e.g. loglangs and artlangs. < 1746717510 574715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh well, at least I didn't spend terribly long debugging this, just a few minutes. < 1746717526 886791 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There would not be much shame in recognizing that some of the wiki is dedicated to logic and some to art. < 1746717548 664413 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Perl and Tcl both support user-defined subroutines that accept blocks as arguments, and can decide how much to evaluate them < 1746717565 357558 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: indeed, and in some cases the lines blur < 1746717576 863202 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but there are more cases where it's clearly separate < 1746717578 168229 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Meanwhile I remain genuinely puzzled about the existence of [[language list]]. I recognize that we're not beholden to English WP's expectations about database use (hence all the redirects) but I still think that such a large manually-curated page is an antipattern. < 1746717612 505566 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it made more sense in the past, when there were fewer languages on the wiki < 1746717616 965368 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Alternatively, consider: Perhaps the art of e.g. Lojban is that the meme being expressed to society is logical structure itself. < 1746717650 843298 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do find that it's in some sense a useful filter of effort – if people can't be bothered to even add their language to the list it says something about how much effort they think it's worth < 1746717651 777874 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think "loglang" is a fairly well-delineated category which happens to include most proglangs. < 1746717677 426943 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. And that's why I don't add my languages to the list; I don't think that anybody else should actually use my work. < 1746717724 354665 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"use" is a loaded verb here < 1746717744 301476 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are some languages that aren't really intended to be programmed in, but instead need to exist for some other reason (e.g. producing proofs) < 1746717756 39375 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, not really. I think that reading about my work could be interesting, but actually using anything I've designed or built is folly. < 1746717758 281261 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that using them? < 1746717772 561467 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you use any of my languages in that way? < 1746717821 720794 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so far I haven't – but that's at least partly because I've been struggling with mental health since before I met you, so I haven't really had the mental bandwidth to look at anyone else's esolangs in much detail < 1746717843 510330 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a fairly straightforward point. I suspect that you're not thrilled to learn that I don't care about myself or my creative output. < 1746717877 266221 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, don't worry about that. I was born mad and time hasn't really helped. I'm not here to judge, I'm here to improve the wiki. < 1746717927 335094 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :all this reminds me of an esolang that I've been meaning to document for a while < 1746717944 318588 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not clearly useful for anything, other than being a TCness proving challenge, and exists mostly because of an aesthetic goal < 1746718082 943946 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good times. > 1746718789 676783 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Symmetric Echo Tag14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157339 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1754) 10an idea I've had for a while and probably ought to document > 1746718827 206688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157340&oldid=157308 5* 03Ais523 5* (+25) 10/* S */ Symmetric Echo Tag < 1746719076 91957 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've posted it, anyway – it's lower-effort than many of my languages, but may have value in not being obviously Turing-complete nor obviously Turing-incomplete < 1746719474 26074 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I appreciate your effort. Thanks for sharing. > 1746719942 464637 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157341&oldid=157180 5* 03H33T33 5* (-213) 10 > 1746719978 411730 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157342&oldid=157341 5* 03H33T33 5* (+0) 10 > 1746720134 973799 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157343&oldid=157342 5* 03H33T33 5* (-1) 10 > 1746720242 169392 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157344&oldid=157343 5* 03H33T33 5* (-184) 10 > 1746720446 531840 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157345&oldid=157344 5* 03H33T33 5* (+23) 10 > 1746720617 988221 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157346&oldid=157345 5* 03H33T33 5* (+76) 10 > 1746721799 106852 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Symmetric Echo Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157347&oldid=157339 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+181) 10Implement < 1746721945 972694 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow, that was fast < 1746721954 167539 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I was expecting someone to do that… just not that quickly) < 1746721994 558944 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and to clarify, because English is ambiguous sometimes: "expecting" in the sense of "I thought it would happen" rather than "I thought it should happen" < 1746722588 696258 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f14f:b20f:416b:87c6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz… < 1746731330 670948 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :b_jonas > 1746732018 499377 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interpreter modification14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157354 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+748) 10Created page with "'''Interpreter-modifying''' is a concept invented by [[User:TBPO]], through it was used a few times before. An interpreter-modifying esoteric programming language is an esolang that can modify the way it interprets the code in runtime. A basi > 1746732059 861185 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interpreter modification14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157355&oldid=157354 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+30) 10 > 1746732334 801995 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FAGI14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157356 5* 03Lucaz37 5* (+3102) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=FAGI |author=[[Lucaz37]] |year=[[:Category:2025|2025]] |memsys=Both Cell-based and Stack-based |dimensions=one-dimensional |class=[[:Category:Turing complete|Turing complete]] |files=.fagi, .fg }} THIS IS STILL WORK IN PR > 1746732463 843183 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* 10moved [[02Interpreter modification10]] to [[Interpreter-modifying]]: Misspelled title > 1746732541 294495 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Candrabindu14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157359 5* 03 5* (+739) 10Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title= }} '''''' is a stack-based esolang using diacritics. There are 52 different stacks, one for each letter uppercase or lowercase. The operation to perform is based on the diacritic on the letter. {| class="wikitable" |+ Commands |- | || Pushes a 1 onto t > 1746732797 398014 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Candrabindu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157360&oldid=157359 5* 03 5* (+145) 10 > 1746733419 164410 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interpreter-modifying14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157361&oldid=157357 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+4) 10 > 1746735966 481143 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BrainGuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157362&oldid=118911 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+438) 10Introduced an examples section comprehending one incipial member in a restricted reverse cat program. > 1746736054 468913 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BrainGuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157363&oldid=157362 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+187) 10Marked the original interpreter as expired and added a hyperlink to my implementation on GitHub. > 1746736078 391184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interpreter-modifying14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157364&oldid=157361 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+46) 10 > 1746736191 850961 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interpreter-modifying14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157365&oldid=157364 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+10) 10 > 1746736430 566344 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Candrabindu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157366&oldid=157360 5* 03 5* (+167) 10 > 1746736465 541121 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interpreterion14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157367&oldid=157253 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+13) 10/* Implementation notes */ > 1746736873 220910 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Forever14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157368 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+2010) 10Created page with "==Intro== Forever is an esolang created by [[User:Helpeesl]] on May 8th 2025ad designed to have really long programs without doing stuff like [[Lenguage]](i.e. not using an instruction set thats tied to the length of the line/program). ==Commands== The commands were de < 1746736896 738732 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:ec68:4c33:1dc7:d036 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1746736946 567802 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interpreterion14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157369&oldid=157367 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+45) 10/* Implementation notes */ < 1746737478 291031 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f14f:b20f:416b:87c6 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1746740394 702994 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f14f:b20f:416b:87c6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Instructions |- | [ || Start a set. |- | ] || End a set. |- | + || +1. |- | - || -1. |- | , || A comma for the set. |- | ! || Instruct. |} Ttem was < 1746743727 130642 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:f14f:b20f:416b:87c6 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1746744061 326573 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1746744075 929478 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1746744153 304937 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1746744316 186366 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157373&oldid=157348 5* 03H33T33 5* (+527) 10 > 1746744566 627962 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157374&oldid=157373 5* 03H33T33 5* (-39) 10 > 1746744833 67241 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ttem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157375&oldid=157372 5* 03Buckets 5* (+0) 10 < 1746744935 899226 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1746746745 369140 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1746747226 748687 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157376&oldid=157374 5* 03H33T33 5* (+1) 10 > 1746747310 337789 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157377&oldid=157376 5* 03H33T33 5* (+0) 10 > 1746747542 944857 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157378&oldid=157181 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+714) 10/* Rating */ new section > 1746748004 780386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:I am islptng/My rate to the user I know14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157379&oldid=156770 5* 03I am islptng 5* (-573) 10 > 1746748231 478707 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:I am islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157380&oldid=157329 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+96) 10