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> 1746639961 620732 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BooleanFunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157294&oldid=157293 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (-1) 10
> 1746639980 500382 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BooleanFunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157295&oldid=157294 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+1) 10
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< 1746712407 260022 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm. I'm wondering if one of the other editor communities (on Discord?) saw the articles about historical metainterpreters, got confused, and decided that the only way to understand the concept is by creating their own metainterpreters.
< 1746712508 705275 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It occurs to me that there's two distinct ways of editing. The path I'm currently on is to build some stuff, and then document it if it could be interesting to others. Their path feels like some sort of land-grab or vanity publishing, where the important thing is to slap one's name onto territory.
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< 1746715493 155871 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I think that for those people, the act of editing is the output/creative step
< 1746715515 86312 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, they're exploring esolangs live through the medium of wiki pages
< 1746715558 253805 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure that all of them even know how to program, but in some sense, that doesn't actually matter – it's interesting that someone can be involved in esolang development without understanding programming, but in a way it makes sense
< 1746715694 158657 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Well, it helps when we recall that humanity has no idea how to use a computer.
< 1746715751 431944 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It also helps when we note that linguists have historically not only looked at formality as a technical curiosity but as an abomination which fundamentally can't describe natural languages.
< 1746715785 674058 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Combine those and you get the typical conlanger, who doesn't want to talk about maths or computation but otherwise thinks that they can describe the universe.
< 1746715821 520359 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"the ways in which natural languages differ from formalisations of them" is an interesting topic to study
< 1746715855 695061 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think my speech is closer to matching a hypothetical formal grammar for English than most peoples' is, and i think that's a consequence of all the time I've spent programming
< 1746715904 794945 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know that it's because I learned grammar trees as a child. Curiously, most of my cohort was presented with grammar too, but it didn't rub off on them.
< 1746715936 377524 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Programmers don't have the luxury of not using grammars.
< 1746715939 287927 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am reminded of things like trying to put "only" in the exact correct location in a sentence to convey exactly the meaning I want
< 1746715971 621790 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's quite reminiscent of programming in a golfing language
< 1746715972 59816 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I recently saw somebody complain that "technical", as used by computer-touchers, isn't well-defined. It's actually quite simple: to be technical is to be shallow and pedantic, to only care about details, to be incapable of assembling a big picture without noticing every brush stroke.
< 1746715981 103083 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And of course, that's precisely what a computer demands.
< 1746716016 706493 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. Non-programmers who learn Lojban have to do a similar thing for placement of {po'o}; it's a wider phenomenon.
< 1746716037 772947 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been playing a lot of nomic recently, one of the skills in that game is to correctly interpret English sentences that may have been incorrectly written, and produce an exact pedantic meaning from them even if it wasn't the meaning that was intended
< 1746716255 438906 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is a very interesting philosophical difference between us! I prefer playing when the system has goal or win conditions, or when comparison is possible, but otherwise I'm not interested. And I feel that way despite usually being near the bottom of the leaderboard.
< 1746716297 11434 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nomic and similar systems are immediately not interesting; of course there's no context-free denotative semantics for languages like English, and so the resulting game is going to be wild in a way which doesn't have goals, winning, or comparisons.
< 1746716336 91399 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, nomic as a game normally explicitly does have win conditions, written in English – even if there isn't one explicitly, there's always the inherent win condition of "change the rules to add a win condition, then achieve it"
< 1746716374 517363 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it often turns into a game that's more about arguing how to interpret the rules than it is about actually trying to win by following the surface meaning of the rules
< 1746716416 797134 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right. The metagame is rather obvious. Suppose I can do more pushups than my peer, but they can outrun me; those prior comparisons are easily converted into preferences for how the rules ought to evolve.
< 1746716448 556045 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If we instead act from behind a veil of ignorance, then the game becomes too symmetric for analysis, and it's purely about which player has the strongest rhetoric.
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< 1746716454 313744 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :indeed – the second-level metagame that evolves from that is less obvious, though
< 1746716491 737936 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm still not sure I (or anyone else) has really figured out that second level despite years of trying
< 1746716520 271248 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nah, it's the same metagame that we play in the workplace or any other social group, and it's IMO fairly well-described by Gervais theory. For Nomic, the relevant dialect is Powertalk, the rhetoric of establishing what is known by each player and what can be bargained.
< 1746716572 18082 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I happen to be a lifelong Loser, and perhaps that's why I don't care for Nomic. I *could* be a Sociopath, and sometimes I do that in order to get shit done, but fundamentally I understand that Sociopaths are harmful to society at large.
< 1746716615 745687 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Reminder: the topic is the perennial observation that the wiki seems to be treated as a graffiti wall by a large segment of contributors.)
< 1746716620 820514 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so there's a common metastrategy in nomic, sometimes called "pooling", where a set of players cooperate in order to cause one of those players to win, at the expense of the others – in many cases the choice of who will win is decided at random
< 1746716649 574556 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. The corresponding sociological pattern is called "tontine".
< 1746716652 701172 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :say two people pool, and decide they have a 90% chance for the pool to win but a less than 45% chance for either player to individually win, that makes it rational
< 1746716727 974227 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, many people (including me) find this an uninteresting way to play because it tends to obviate all other strategies except "scamming" (exploiting non-obvious wording mistakes in the rules in order to get a large advantage, typically an instant win)
< 1746716740 254361 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so, it's common to add rules to make pooling more difficult or less beneficial
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< 1746716898 184265 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the whole thing with the wiki is complicated because it is hard to say that the "low-effort" (as it were) contributions are invalid or unwanted – it's engaging with esolangs primarily/purely as an art form but that's a valid way to interact with them
< 1746716931 819135 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the ideal fix would involve somehow making the higher-effort contributions more searchable
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< 1746716994 135146 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Of course. Similarly, I think I've said before that graffiti is art. It's also politically important, as it indicates to leadership what the common people think of their opinions.
< 1746717041 971664 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think I've made many esolangs purely as art
< 1746717045 892686 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Note that it is fairly straightforward to figure out whether something is a language. In that sense, we shouldn't really have trouble deciding whether submissions are invalid.
< 1746717070 247737 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's Forte for which the aesthetics are important
< 1746717076 470532 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Art is never pure. Art is cultural warfare. Art is expression of a meme within a contextual sea of memes.
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< 1746717107 450168 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, I personally see art as an attempt to communicate things that can't easily be stated directly
< 1746717125 296900 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Monte is art. It's ugly, baroque, and nonetheless terser, faster, and safer than Python or F♯, and that's the memetic statement we wanted to make.
< 1746717171 63854 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree that it can be very dependent on context, though (and even when it isn't obviously dependent on context, is normally dependent on being perceived by a human)
< 1746717204 734033 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, "art" isn't a monosemous collection or relation. Rather, whenever we have memetic expression on some substrate, we could say that those memes are art.
< 1746717215 556518 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw I think even the "than Python or F♯" part of your sentence is art in its own way
< 1746717252 207249 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is meaning in juxtaposing those two languages in particular, as most programmers typically wouldn't consider them similar enough to be included in the same comparison
< 1746717308 817740 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmpf, I guess it's hard to overload && and keep short-circuit evaluation. https://z3prover.github.io/api/html/namespacez3.html#aff9c56735ebfc47895ef746515c09096
< 1746717345 754509 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: indeed, you would need an overload feature that works for control flow operators, not just arithmetic operators
< 1746717364 742295 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(solution was to do  a && bool(expr)  instead of a && expr)
< 1746717390 191351 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is probably possible to make something like that work via having a language that "lazifies" arguments based on what function/method/operator is being caled
< 1746717391 743967 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* called
< 1746717403 738794 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yeah I know. The complaint is really that it looked so innocent in the source code :-)
< 1746717409 283250 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it is also probably clearer to explicitly wrap the possibly-unevaluated arguments in closures
< 1746717506 763352 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: FWIW the conlang community has long recognized the idea of artlangs and recognizes that there's a fairly dramatic difference between e.g. loglangs and artlangs.
< 1746717510 574715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh well, at least I didn't spend terribly long debugging this, just a few minutes.
< 1746717526 886791 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There would not be much shame in recognizing that some of the wiki is dedicated to logic and some to art.
< 1746717548 664413 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Perl and Tcl both support user-defined subroutines that accept blocks as arguments, and can decide how much to evaluate them
< 1746717565 357558 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: indeed, and in some cases the lines blur
< 1746717576 863202 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but there are more cases where it's clearly separate
< 1746717578 168229 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Meanwhile I remain genuinely puzzled about the existence of [[language list]]. I recognize that we're not beholden to English WP's expectations about database use (hence all the redirects) but I still think that such a large manually-curated page is an antipattern.
< 1746717612 505566 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it made more sense in the past, when there were fewer languages on the wiki
< 1746717616 965368 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Alternatively, consider: Perhaps the art of e.g. Lojban is that the meme being expressed to society is logical structure itself.
< 1746717650 843298 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do find that it's in some sense a useful filter of effort – if people can't be bothered to even add their language to the list it says something about how much effort they think it's worth
< 1746717651 777874 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think "loglang" is a fairly well-delineated category which happens to include most proglangs.
< 1746717677 426943 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. And that's why I don't add my languages to the list; I don't think that anybody else should actually use my work.
< 1746717724 354665 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"use" is a loaded verb here
< 1746717744 301476 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are some languages that aren't really intended to be programmed in, but instead need to exist for some other reason (e.g. producing proofs)
< 1746717756 39375 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, not really. I think that reading about my work could be interesting, but actually using anything I've designed or built is folly.
< 1746717758 281261 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that using them?
< 1746717772 561467 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you use any of my languages in that way?
< 1746717821 720794 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so far I haven't – but that's at least partly because I've been struggling with mental health since before I met you, so I haven't really had the mental bandwidth to look at anyone else's esolangs in much detail
< 1746717843 510330 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a fairly straightforward point. I suspect that you're not thrilled to learn that I don't care about myself or my creative output.
< 1746717877 266221 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, don't worry about that. I was born mad and time hasn't really helped. I'm not here to judge, I'm here to improve the wiki.
< 1746717927 335094 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :all this reminds me of an esolang that I've been meaning to document for a while
< 1746717944 318588 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not clearly useful for anything, other than being a TCness proving challenge, and exists mostly because of an aesthetic goal
< 1746718082 943946 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good times.
> 1746718789 676783 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Symmetric Echo Tag14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157339 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1754) 10an idea I've had for a while and probably ought to document
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< 1746719076 91957 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've posted it, anyway – it's lower-effort than many of my languages, but may have value in not being obviously Turing-complete nor obviously Turing-incomplete
< 1746719474 26074 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I appreciate your effort. Thanks for sharing.
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< 1746721945 972694 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow, that was fast
< 1746721954 167539 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I was expecting someone to do that… just not that quickly)
< 1746721994 558944 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and to clarify, because English is ambiguous sometimes: "expecting" in the sense of "I thought it would happen" rather than "I thought it should happen"
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< 1746809738 424594 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a question. I just tried to describe at https://esolangs.org/wiki/GML#Concatenative_calculus_as_a_special_case that there's this very simple subset of GML that implements concatenative (stack-based) calculus. All you need is lexically local bindings that you can load and push, or pop and bind to a new one, abstraction braces that create a new closure with the given body but saves the upvalues 
< 1746809744 432609 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :from the current environment in the closure (this is set!less so it doesn't matter if you save them by reference like scheme does or by value) and pushes that closure, and an apply operation that pops a closure and calls it. The trick is that functions don't take an argument like in lambda calculus, but instead share the stack with their callers. 
< 1746809912 574555 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I find this interesting because it seems like concatenative calculus was first published in 2001, while GML was first published in 2000. I want to be careful so I don't want to claim that GML pre-invented concatenative calculus. I know it's often hard to notice that there's a small powerful core language hidden inside your language if you only keep a few parts of it. This has happened to me with 
< 1746809918 585108 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Consumer Society, where it took me about half a year after I started to think about it just how few parts the language needs to keep. And IIUC for Underload it took even more time to find them in a larger language. 
< 1746810044 486166 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So what I'd like to know is, what's the earliest precursor for this combination to appear, the closures with lexically local bindings but stack-based? I don't know if something close enough to Joy was known before 2001, I'm new to this whole history. While GML as such obviously wasn't published before 2000, it is likely based on some previous languages, and some of them might be similar.
< 1746810143 687820 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :To be clear, GML is larger than this core language: Joy is like lambda calculus is that every value is a function and the only thing you can do with a function is call it, whereas GML has the square brackets which let you distinguish a mark value on the stack from functions. 
< 1746810278 118935 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The stack clearly existed before, PostScript has a similar stack and is clearly older. And lexically local bindings in closures also clearly existed before, such as in scheme.
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< 1746810792 754486 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I was actually going to ping you about this earlier. So, I don't know exactly when quotations came about; https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Quotations says PostScript has them, and that'd be a good missing link between Forth and Factor.
< 1746810859 955803 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But everything aside from quotations is straight out of category theory and abstract algebra; they're from universal properties that are so common that mathematicians have started naming them. The main thing that computer scientists added was stack-based evaluation semantics, later justified by realizing that certain categories are (equivalent to) certain lambda calculi.
< 1746810929 994154 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that it might be good to start the page, "Kerby's concatenative calculus is ..." given the context you've documented.
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< 1746812645 780277 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: postscript is relevant, it's not quite clear to me how naturally you could simulate this core language in postscript. there's also the inconvenience that running such code would probably have to heap-allocate a lot of objects, so in practice you could only run it in a non-old postscript interpreter so as to automatically free those objects with reference counting or some other garbage collection 
< 1746812651 786794 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mechanism built into the postscript interpreter. but I think suitable garbage collection was of course already known at the time for lisps, they just hadn't put it into the postscript interpreters because it was supposed to run on cheap hardware.
< 1746812682 874399 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't understand the category theory part, or how Cammy is connected
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< 1746812834 23811 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you may be using use postscript square brackets to create the closures like the GML square bracket, because that lets you save a reference to the upvalue everywhere a variable is referenced. and I think you can use dynamic local postscript bindings to reference variables that are bound at the same level, though I'm not sure which level of postscript you need for that
< 1746813442 66817 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The category theory is not hard, but it is kind of a mind-melter. Von Thun put it best: the syntax has a monoid, and the semantics that we intend to use also has a monoid. We just choose the monoid with unit "" and concatenation `++` because that's easy to think about.
< 1746813484 932381 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Except, uh, that monoid doesn't work for Joy. It works for Brainfuck! But Joy, Factor, etc. need to add whitespace. So clearly we're okay with syntactic monoids that add some extra characters.
< 1746813549 225774 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Cammy's monoid has unit `"id"` and concatenation `"(comp " + " ".join(args) + ")"`. Like in Joy, it's technically monoidoid, because the types need to line up.
< 1746813568 202267 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then there's a relevant category-theory slogan: a monoidoid is a category.
< 1746813573 898224 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why is whitespace a problem? whitespace is a no-op, and there will be other no-op functions anyway
< 1746813612 214260 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Whitespace puts a lie to the idea that juxtaposition is how we concatenate the syntax. Like, given Joy programs "drop" and "dup", the concatenation would be "dropdup" but we actually want "drop dup".
< 1746813646 951084 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, then use strings (or even trees) of tokens instead of strings of characters
< 1746813835 327561 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That would be a semantics. Any kind of interpretation, even abstract syntax, would be a mapping. What we want is for every such mapping to be a monoid homomorphism, because then we can compose the mappings and always preserve this idea of juxtaposition leading to composition.
< 1746813920 710340 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, but at least a token list is just the easy part of semantics, one which we call syntax. 
< 1746814019 741291 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know. I'm merely trying to get across what Von Thun was seeing. It's not about parsing or stacks. It's about the idea that we can run one program after another, and what it means for the syntax to reflect that.
< 1746814212 307211 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Could I at least convince you that some languages *don't* have this nice property? Like, there are some languages s.t. there's *no* fixed syntax which will compose two arbitrary input programs (assuming their types already line up).
< 1746814278 267260 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Most industrial-usage serious-business languages fail this just because of how their compilers are defined. I suppose Java might be one of the exceptions.
< 1746815180 569624 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: sure, it helps that Joy is concatenative
< 1746815280 444927 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hold on, this reminds me of something, let me find the reference
< 1746815318 528991 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Oh! Okay, so I think I get it. There's a really common meme in the catlang community: juxtaposition is composition. This is used to gatekeep; if the monoid isn't literally "" and ++ then it's not a catlang.
< 1746815348 392612 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And I'm just pointing out that this is reductive because obviously Joy's syntactic monoid requires whitespace too. It's a *fixed* whitespace, so everything still works, but it's not like Brainfuck.
< 1746815400 946044 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, like, juxtaposition is composition in Brainfuck but nobody seems to actually point this out. It's like a catlang has to have some specific heritage or it doesn't count, and I don't really like that treatment of what should be a mathematical property.
< 1746815545 787322 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://www.madore.org/cgi-bin/comment.pl/showcomments?href=http%3a%2f%2fwww.madore.org%2f~david%2fweblog%2f2015-04.html%23d.2015-04-24.2292#comment-21587 explains that not only the movements on the Rubik's cube form a group, but something stronger is true: the visible states of the Rubik's cube (the information that's preserved if you take a color photo of all sides) forms a group, and this latter is 
< 1746815551 793279 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not true for the 4×4×4 rubik's cube. 
< 1746815602 527801 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think a concatenative language is something that has a simple structure like this, where it's easy to see the whole state of the runtime, and that state forms a group with composing programs
< 1746815612 361195 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, yeah. Cayley's theorem is a powerful intuition.
< 1746815632 126370 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, a monoid, not a group. Not every action is invertible.
< 1746815640 68901 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, a monoid
< 1746815739 710381 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I don't think the whitespace is a problem here, you can consider Joy concatenative even if you need to add a space between when you concatenate two programs. it's like you're building one of those super-fast rubik cube solving robots (there's way too many of them) and they have to wait a little between every too moves otherwise something in the machine+cube may break
< 1746815744 542090 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, in that sense, Cammy is provably such a language. Cammy is what we call "initial in a certain category"; among everything with that property, Cammy always can be mapped into that thing.
< 1746815781 793578 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Brainfuck is also an example. The state of the machine is what you'd expect: the cells, the pointer, the input and output.
< 1746815867 223764 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, the whitespace is acceptable. But for something like Malbolge or Bubblegum, there might not be a single fixed string template which glues together two input programs, even if their underlying VMs can do it.
< 1746815972 585136 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Reminded of my phrasing at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Categorization#Monoids "By the folklore of concatenative languages, ... all of the concatenative and tacit languages would go in [a category for monoidal languages]."
< 1746816161 765053 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw considering Joy a string of tokens works because all the questions that I asked still apply in interpretation, the representation with characters doesn't matter much
< 1746816194 779719 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I might care about the concrete syntax for aesthetics of course)
< 1746816335 915863 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. But this also happens when the language wasn't designed for it. Application is composition (another fun slogan), so Unlambda has a monoidoid. IIRC the unit is "i" and composition is "`c" + p + q.
< 1746816642 495319 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Sorry if I'm being pushy about this. I just really want to avoid having three different articles about the same topic that have slightly different perspectives on the fundamentals.
< 1746816708 446867 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Concatenative%20language says stuff like "In an applicative language, things are evaluated by applying functions to arguments. In a concatenative programming language, things are evaluated by composing several functions which all operate on a piece of data." Categorically, those are the *same thing*.
< 1746816775 200679 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Because in a category an "argument" or "element" is just a special case of a function!)
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< 1746816872 975544 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think BF only forms a monoid if you ignore the rule that the tape starts as all-zeroes
< 1746816904 786305 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because if you are composing two programs, rather than two program fragments, don't you have to zero the tape in between?
< 1746816973 200797 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for the composition to work, you have to generalise BF programs into BF subroutines (i.e. capable of taking input from the tape)
< 1746817070 9614 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Monoidoids are acceptable; Joy's composition is only defined when the types line up, and Factor also has stack-checking.
< 1746817114 760748 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It is not a problem to think of a BF program as having a type which indicates how its tape should be aligned (say, in the world where BF tapes don't loop!) and then requiring alignment in order to concatenate.
< 1746817387 963097 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Oh! The tape itself having all zeroes! Yeah, we're not doing Kolmogorov complexity. What we're getting at is the idea that a compiler is a homomorphism: a compiler can be defined in terms of the structure of the input language and will preserve that structure in its output.
< 1746817434 791536 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lists are free monoids, so any time a compiler is storing something in a list, it's probably manipulating a monoid. Peephole specializers exhibit non-trivial monoids, for example.
< 1746817552 730336 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :
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< 1746817650 846272 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The compiler might have to emit a prologue, epilogue, or harness. But the guts of the compiler, like some generic optimizer that operates on hunks of code, can still respect the monoid.
< 1746817796 478192 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Okay, actually, let's go with that route and consider a basic-block compiler. It usually will have a monoid which it uses to split blocks into pieces that don't interact with each other.
< 1746817854 779644 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And that's because there's a monoid. Given two basic blocks, we can merge them s.t. we take in all of the inputs, do all of the operations without any overlapping, and return all of the outputs. The unit is a do-nothing block with no inputs or outputs.
< 1746817905 554928 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*usually will have a pass, rather. The pass exhibits the monoid.
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< 1746818843 47138 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I gotta stop going on rants right when Europe wants to go to bed. Sorry, I'll be around later too.
< 1746818861 392114 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I believed "lists are free monoids" for ages, but think it's actually wrong: you can have an empty list as a list element
< 1746818909 652673 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :free monoids are like lists, but they automatically flatten
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< 1746818974 456734 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, those are lists of lists. Different types.
< 1746819040 953445 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw, I was wondering whether Rust functions F and G compose syntactically as (|x|{({\nF})(({\nG})(x))}) – I'm not quite sure whether Rust's identifier hygiene is up to it but it might be
< 1746819057 581972 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, newline after F and G, not before, in case there's an unterminated line comment
< 1746819125 831468 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Probably, as long as stack behavior isn't a problem. In OCaml, that approach doesn't work, and it's why I had to port Cammy away from OCaml and to CHICKEN Scheme.
< 1746819127 142294 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rust is very permissive with allowing things inside blocks that most languages only allow at top level, which is what makes me think it might actually work, but there's probably an obvious counterexample I'm missing
< 1746819164 723661 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :type inference seems like it might be the largest problem, but if G forces a type on its argument, I think this will force the same type on its argument, and there are no other type inference problems
< 1746819349 915332 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Trying to remember whether `|x|{x}` can infer a general type. Like, can that be an &mut?
< 1746819378 125686 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, can be anything apart from an unsized type I think
< 1746819488 188735 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&mode=debug&edition=2024&code=fn+main%28%29+%7B%0A++++let+mut+a+%3D+%5B1u32%2C+2%2C+3%5D%3B%0A++++%28%7Cx%7C%7Bx%7D%29%28%26mut+a%29%3B%0A++++%28%7Cx%7C%7Bx%7D%29%28a%5B..%5D%29%3B%0A%7D
< 1746819499 874503 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :&mut works, unsized types don't
< 1746819538 925681 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, even though I'll probably be awake for a while, the shops will be closing and I need to go shopping
< 1746819541 94569 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :later
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< 1746823818 744128 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh. Turns out fungot might have a Gmail account that I wasn't aware of.
< 1746823819 214119 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that zippy appears to be an infinite-dimensional space, isn't it?)
< 1746823864 644664 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I got a "your Google Account has not been used in at least 8 months" email, and searching for that in my email archives, there's a 2010 Gmail invite (I guess you needed one at the time to open an account), so maybe I (or fungot acting independently?) made one.
< 1746823865 255120 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: e.g. when using separate files, then run it check if the ending of a string is not empty
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< 1746829410 709313 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there TLS library that you can mostly just change send to TLS_send and recv to TLS_recv in most of the program, that it can work with unencrypted connections as well? I also want to do my own handling of certificates (so the callback function only needs to extract the public key, or do nothing if the callback function decides that the certificate should not be used)
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< 1746859583 316968 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there a programming language (imagine a variant of rust) that tries to follow what combinations of values boolean local variables (or the discriminants of enums) can have when they're used in conditionals to determine what combinations of code paths are possible, not just for optimization, but to determine what programs are valid? eg. you're using a variable that looks like it might be initialized, 
< 1746859589 325145 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but you use it in a conditional that implies that a certain boolean is true, and that boolean can only become true if you passed through a code path that initializes that variable, so using that variable is allowed. of course this gets more interesting when it has to follow the combination of many flags through some complicated function with many loops and conditionals. 
< 1746859621 410610 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course you may need some sort of cut-off for this so the compilation time doesn't need to be exponential in the code size.
< 1746859649 713925 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess some of the computer-checked proof languages must do this. 
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< 1746866451 780376 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I like that idea but don't know of one
< 1746866535 687651 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course you can kind-of trick the optimiser into trying to do that in most AOT-compiled languages, and it may be possible to get a compile error out of it using failing link-time asserts that will be optimised out if the program is correct
< 1746868949 30241 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: oh yeah, there was an old behavior in gcc that may have been a bug. Back then, the old C standard said that any integral typed *constant expression* with value zero could be implicitly converted to a null pointer of any type. But gcc considered something like (x - x) where x is an integer non-constant as a constant expression with value zero, so it allowed you to cast (x - x) to a null pointer. 
< 1746868955 36137 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you could abuse this in some funny way but I don't quite remember how. Later gcc fixed this, and also some later C or C++ standard changed the rule that only a *literal* with integer zero value can be implicitly converted to a null pointer of any type.
< 1746869015 57728 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this was a bug only in C++ where you can detect if that implicit conversion is possible without an error if the conversion isn't possible, using function overloading.
< 1746869045 526207 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :In C it was just what the gcc manual calls "your bug might be just our reasonable extension" or something like that
< 1746869174 399470 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :These days with constexpr and consteval and template parameters and C variable sized arrays, gcc cares enough to track exactly which expressions count as constant expressions for the purpose of the language standard, so it won't have this kind of bug so easily just because the optimizer proves something constant.
< 1746869303 477850 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and thus Rust's value generic parameters and all of zig was born)
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< 1746886847 109931 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: The phrase to search for is "flow-sensitive typing", or just "flow typing". RPython does this, for example; when I try to translate a program, sometimes the toolchain will tell me that an impossible value was reached or that a string slice wasn't proven non-negative.
< 1746886932 600061 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, `stop = length - CONST; slice = s[start:stop]` might fail to translate because the variable `stop` could be less than zero.
< 1746886972 578867 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So I must write `stop = length - CONST; assert stop >= 0, "cauliflower"; slice = s[start:stop]`. This is convincing.
< 1746887011 552629 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Similarly RPython won't allow dereferencing an abstract superclass, but it will let me access subclass variables and methods as long as I've proven it somehow.
< 1746887033 722894 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`obj.myMethod()` maybe not okay, but `if isinstance(obj, MyClass): obj.myMethod()` works fine.
< 1746887036 270607 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :obj.myMethod()`? No such file or directory
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< 1746892490 573946 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I see
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< 1746898498 919683 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I find the representation of the JPEG format kind of annoying. It seems to be trying to merge two goals that are somewhat contradictory: that the JPEG writer can write the file in one pass without seeking even if it doesn't have much RAM, and that the reader can skip ahead and decode just parts of it. Because of this, the Huffman-compressed data, which should be most of the JPEG file, is encoded such 
< 1746898504 925541 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that any 0xFF bytes have to be escaped, because 0xFF is an escape byte. So there are no length fields that let the reader skip ahead, instead to seek ahead you have to scan all the bytes to find 0xFF bytes, though you don't have to decode the Huffman data. The Huffmanized data format admittedly does have some bias that makes long strings of one-bits less common, but since it's a bit-aligned variable 
< 1746898510 937441 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :format, it can still appear. 
< 1746898611 663758 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The original version of the format was designed in 1992, and it shows. There's a later replacement JPEG2000 that's much more capable in what it can represent, though I don't know how it represents them at bytes so I don't know if it has these contradictory goals. But very few programs actually adapted JPEG2000, and now it's basically dead because Webp got adapted as the new compressed image format 
< 1746898617 670594 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :instead.
< 1746898778 654968 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean it makes sense that if nobody adopted JPEG2000 for 25 years then instead of adopting it later you design a newer file format that is hopefully better.
< 1746899043 437218 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm aren't you forgetting JPEG XL?
< 1746899076 485250 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(status: killed by Google, at least as far as the WWW is concerned)
> 1746899138 289139 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Foldy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157423&oldid=155300 5* 03Squareroot12621 5* (+8) 10Example programs are now === level 3 === instead of == level 2 ==
< 1746899152 864499 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know what JPEG XL is
< 1746899199 108644 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.phoronix.com/news/Chrome-Dropping-JPEG-XL-Reasons
< 1746899272 84116 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(More about the "killed by Google" aspect than about what it is... it compresses better than webp though.)
< 1746899317 901050 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"compresses better" isn't the only aspect that you have to evaluate
< 1746899326 623642 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :at the same quality
< 1746899559 435673 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, has anyone made a esolangs compressed image format yet? it sounds like someone in esolangs is bound to make one eventually. tom7 wrote that he wants to develop a video compression, but that's not ready yet.
< 1746899585 124055 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the ICFP one?
< 1746899618 595036 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait... I dimly recall something, where was that?
< 1746899632 723741 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :2007, Morph Endo
< 1746899671 254888 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh... I guess you could consider it a compressed image format, but it's kind of terrible
< 1746899701 917410 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it is very esoteric
< 1746899724 283771 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was thinking of something that's more practical than that but is still related to the community
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< 1746899749 816692 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wasn't there one in IOCCC?
< 1746899825 836954 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep, Fabrice Bellard of course, ioccc/2018/bellard
> 1746899904 359570 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Aadenboy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157424&oldid=152492 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+338) 10/* Baba Is You pack */ new section
< 1746900149 359857 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://bellard.org/bpg/ is the full non-IOCCC version of it
< 1746900189 805882 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and https://bellard.org/ioccc_lena/ is the info page of the IOCCC version
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> 1746904952 554788 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Flowchart14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157426 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+3070) 10Created page with "Flowchart is an esolang created by [[User:Aadenboy]] directly based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowchart flowcharts].  == Structure == Flowchart works on a 2D space, with actions connected by lines. Programs start on the first ( ) node, of which i
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> 1746914521 806664 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Aivr14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157436 5* 03Buckets 5* (+2310) 10Created page with "Aivr(, or AIVR, Which stands for Advanced Interactive Voice Responce) is an Esoteric programming language created by [[User:Buckets]] in 2020.  {| class="wikitable" |- ! Commands !! Instructions |- | Say [] || From within the Square brackets, It will Speak it. |- | {} || F
> 1746914949 489060 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Flow14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157437 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+4958) 10Created page with "==Intro== Flow is an esolang created by [[User:helpeesl]] on 5/10/2025 ==Commands== The commands can be in many forms those being: *Two input forwards *Two input backwards *Two input neutral *One input forwards *One input backwards *One input neutral *Refrences *Others  1746915206 784139 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157438&oldid=157235 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+28) 10
> 1746915243 885523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Flow14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157439&oldid=157437 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+15) 10Forgot about this
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> 1746917298 840024 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Arch-based14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157441 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+22) 10Created page with "[[Category:Languages]]"
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> 1746917756 250084 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157447&oldid=157440 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+27) 10Ill keep on adding the good stuff you forgot to give a category or removed
< 1746918161 415291 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1746918209 138018 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : `obj.myMethod()` maybe not okay, but `if isinstance(obj, MyClass): obj.myMethod()` works fine. ← I vaguely remember Java special-casing "if … instanceof …" like that when in checked mode (it doesn't treat it as a type system violation if you later use an unchecked cast)
< 1746918266 47104 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I think there's an instanceof-alike that converts the type of an object reference to a derived class or returns null if it isn't of that type, making it possible to do an "if let" equivalent and avoiding the flow typing that way
< 1746918364 464974 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : hmm, has anyone made a esolangs compressed image format yet? ← https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/69930/paint-starry-night-objectively-in-1kb-of-code has a few
< 1746918901 42419 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe, ok
< 1746918946 975686 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"converts the type of an object reference to a derived class or returns null if it isn't of that type" => that's C++ dynamic_cast
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< 1746919611 904591 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it makes sense – I think Rust might have something similar in Any, but it's kind-of rare to use Any in practice because it doesn't do what people normally want it to do
> 1746920169 761074 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157448&oldid=157447 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+20) 10They forgot a couple
< 1746920224 222659 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Those do not seem to be good (or discussed) categories. :/
> 1746920336 990747 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Category:Arch-based10]]": unapproved category  this isn't an established enough data structure to need its own category and would be better as a list on the Arch page
> 1746920346 149777 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:HQ9+ derivatives14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157449 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+51) 10Created page with "This contains a list of all derivatives of [[HQ9+]]"
> 1746920432 284592 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Category:Sus10]]": unapproved category: even if this is a useful enough set of languages to be worth categorising (but that needs discussion on [[Esolang talk:Categorization]]), the name is inappropriate
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> 1746920542 435314 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157451&oldid=157448 5* 03Ais523 5* (-131) 10please do not add categories to this page without discussion  at least one clearly shouldn't exist, at least one but probably two are misnamed, and you added inappropriate commentary to the page in the process (the visible text on pages should not contain reference
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> 1746921093 319990 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FHC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157454&oldid=118844 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+29) 10
> 1746921148 321698 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:HQ9+ derivative14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157455 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+54) 10Created page with "This is a list containing all [[HQ9+]] based languages"
> 1746921265 158538 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Category:HQ9+ derivative10]]": unapproved category
> 1746921299 135607 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Helpeesl 5*  10moved [[02Category:HQ9+ derivatives10]] to [[Category:]]: Ingas
> 1746921317 858553 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157458&oldid=157456 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (-51) 10Blanked the page
> 1746921354 464158 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:HQ9+ derivatives14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157459&oldid=157457 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+12) 10Changed redirect target from [[Category:]] to [[Category:HQ9+ derivative]]
> 1746921414 247625 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:HQ9+ derivative14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157460 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+50) 10Created page with "This page contains all languages based on [[HQ9+]]"
> 1746921425 778162 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Helpeesl14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157461 5* 03Ais523 5* (+880) 10please stop creating categories without approval
> 1746921459 230418 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Category:10]]": unapproved (and implausibly named) category
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> 1746921473 360889 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Category:HQ9+ derivative10]]": unapproved category
> 1746921583 867523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Pifrited14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157462 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+772) 10Created page with "I wonder where's your C in the username. Shouldn't it be "Pifricted" instead of "Pifrited"? BTW Do you want a signature like mine? I can get one for you. --~~~~"
> 1746921967 595674 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Pifrited14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157463&oldid=157462 5* 03Ais523 5* (+403) 10r to ispltng
> 1746921982 416034 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157464&oldid=156778 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+20) 10
> 1746922155 635559 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Sus14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157465 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+184) 10This is a reupload of a category that someone else made and was conspicuously missing from its place
> 1746922479 751343 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Counter-based14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157466 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+139) 10Created page with "This is a list containing all counter based languages Also [[User:ais523]] suggested this so if the delete this that is a little bit ironic"
> 1746922505 806235 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dreadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157467&oldid=131043 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+26) 10
> 1746922659 566335 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LargeFish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157468&oldid=130583 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+26) 10
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> 1746923479 706458 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Feed the Chaos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157471&oldid=148151 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+27) 10
< 1746923790 542847 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Regarding class layouts: yes, if the class were still around at runtime then a checked mode is possible. RPython runs on a standard Python 2.7 interpreter for that purpose.
< 1746923847 899246 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :As one might suspect, nearly all of the class is erased at runtime. The class name .__class__.__name__ is the only thing available and that's mostly for generic pretty-printing.
> 1746923889 933705 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Helpeesl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157472&oldid=157461 5* 03Ais523 5* (+423) 10/* Please stop creating categories without approval */ you continued creating categories even though I asked you to stop
< 1746923950 282253 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, that may mean that Python erases classes more thoroughly than Java or Perl do
> 1746923975 355153 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:I am islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157473&oldid=157390 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+296) 10
< 1746924017 266564 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I usually think of RPython classes as like Haskell typeclasses, Rust traits, or C++ multiple-inheritance classes. RPython throws away any information that isn't relevant to the shape of the vtables.
> 1746924020 308538 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Category:Counter-based10]]": although this category should likely exist, this category description page is not useful  it doesn't precisely define which languages belong in the category and contains metacommentary  and leaving the description page up encourages people to categorise languages into it potentiall
< 1746924089 833971 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: ah, right – Java and Perl have a layer of indirection in which the object has a reference to the class and the class has the vtable
> 1746924106 907366 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Sus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157474&oldid=157465 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+9) 10
< 1746924145 273495 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. Whereas this is more like C++ casting. We can upcast so that an entire class hierarchy looks like a uniform algebraic data type, or we can downcast when we need to dig an instance variable out for a special case.
> 1746924154 334020 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Category:Sus10]]": still an unapproved category (with a bad name), recreated after deletion
< 1746924181 219093 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The object itself is a fat pointer, I think? So cool that I can just *say* that; twenty years ago, fat pointers would have been considered a horrendous waste.
> 1746924195 106603 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/protect14]]4 protect10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10protected "[[Category:Sus [create=sysop] (indefinite)]]": recreated after being deleted, not an appropriate name for a category
< 1746924256 200822 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still don't have a good intuitive feel for the performance of fat pointers versus having a pointer from object to class
< 1746924284 688229 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the pointer-from-object-to-class will usually save memory because most objects have more than one reference and few have less than one reference, but it also introduces an extra layer of indirection
> 1746924291 136585 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157475&oldid=157464 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+22) 10
> 1746924309 530099 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157476&oldid=157475 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+0) 10
< 1746924365 351103 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. Fat pointers might be more compelling if they offered some useful functionality. I find it very cool that we can change the class/traits of an object merely by replacing half of the fat pointer, and I know that Rust strings use this sort of optimization.
< 1746924422 339253 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But Smalltalk-style become: is really about the limit of what can be done that way. I think that it is a powerful way to have a system where objects are *inside* of another system which routes them; today there's Kafka and k8s, but I remember Zope and Twisted Axiom too.
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> 1746924908 290946 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Free Esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157478&oldid=157025 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+109) 10
> 1746924983 223351 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157479&oldid=157453 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+694) 10/* There are categories that exist but arent on here */ new section
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> 1746925597 818768 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157481&oldid=157479 5* 03Ais523 5* (+573) 10/* There are categories that exist but arent on here */ how this happens
> 1746925688 835060 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Aadenboy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157482&oldid=157477 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+75) 10hey could you not do that
> 1746925805 864806 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157483&oldid=157481 5* 03Ais523 5* (+859) 10/* Proposed Category:Interpreter-modifying */ I don't think this is worth a category yet, but it may be in the future
> 1746925964 722766 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157484&oldid=157483 5* 03Ais523 5* (+562) 10/* Counter-based languages */ some thoughts about definition
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> 1746926531 98536 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157486&oldid=157485 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+89) 10This is my first time leaving a comment
> 1746926888 280966 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Helpeesl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157487&oldid=157472 5* 03Ais523 5* (+517) 10/* How to sign your comments */ new section
> 1746927139 499137 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157488&oldid=157147 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+493) 10/* I have a question about the unnoticed categories */ new section
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> 1746927552 478834 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157490&oldid=157488 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1444) 10/* I have a question about the unnoticed categories */ reply
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> 1746955579 407299 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Aadenboy/Self-equaling squares14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157506 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+618) 10Created page with "Looking at things a bit closer, I think I can see a more specific pattern. The amount of self-equaling squares for a base seems to be $2^\{\backslash omega(n)\}$, where $\backslash omega(n)$ is the number of unique prime factors Staxueue is an esolang created by islptng. It has a stack-cross-queue (staxueue, or sxq for short).  == The Stack-Cross-Queue == It's just, literally, a stack crossing a queue.  Let's visualize it.        a        b        c  1 2 3 4 5 6 7        d   
< 1747114935 826250 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Among other things, it uses XML and Unicode, and seems difficult to use customizable security and proxies.)
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< 1747115478 383909 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(D-bus does have authentication, but I think this isn't the best way to do it. I think requiring strings to be UTF-8 and requiring them to be validated can also be problems, especially since a file name or other text might not be Unicode, and the validation takes time. I also do not like the working of object paths. There are other problems, too.)
< 1747117515 536650 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It does have some benefits though, such as using a binary format.)
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< 1747130961 294801 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
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> 1747143931 454155 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157627&oldid=157626 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+547) 10
> 1747146935 743893 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Hotcrystal014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157628&oldid=157606 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+452) 10
> 1747147065 675894 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Hotcrystal014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157629&oldid=157628 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-32) 10
< 1747147602 337002 :ajal!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname
< 1747147634 957083 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
> 1747148064 760273 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157630&oldid=157619 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+0) 10
> 1747148957 520411 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157631&oldid=157625 5* 03H33T33 5* (+113) 10
> 1747149396 425531 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157632&oldid=157631 5* 03H33T33 5* (+166) 10
> 1747149467 932440 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157633&oldid=157632 5* 03H33T33 5* (-52) 10
> 1747149505 586399 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WTF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157634&oldid=157633 5* 03H33T33 5* (+0) 10
> 1747150372 357163 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157635&oldid=157634 5* 03H33T33 5* (+159) 10
< 1747150711 219344 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:b824:6ff8:e6cb:f4c JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic
< 1747152973 89520 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :cu
> 1747156136 739833 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157636&oldid=157635 5* 03H33T33 5* (+154) 10
> 1747156731 500563 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157637&oldid=157636 5* 03H33T33 5* (+74) 10
< 1747157916 965404 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:b824:6ff8:e6cb:f4c QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)
> 1747158097 404377 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Infinite golfing14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157638&oldid=157591 5* 03JORE 5* (+154) 10
< 1747161001 221438 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:b824:6ff8:e6cb:f4c JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic
> 1747161723 79748 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157639&oldid=157627 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+1356) 10
> 1747161866 819224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesick14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157640&oldid=157639 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (-59) 10
> 1747161960 736840 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesick14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157641&oldid=157640 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (-2) 10/* Instruction */
> 1747162024 756206 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesick14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157642&oldid=157641 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+4) 10/* Computational class */
> 1747162076 309263 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157643&oldid=157598 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+15) 10/* My esolangs */
< 1747163544 904711 :visilii_!~visilii@213.24.132.63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1747163813 820415 :visilii!~visilii@85.94.27.220 JOIN #esolangs * :ZNC - https://znc.in
< 1747164433 827263 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:b824:6ff8:e6cb:f4c QUIT :Quit: Client closed
> 1747164672 740349 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OISC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157644&oldid=156733 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+200) 10/* List of OISCs */
> 1747164769 987917 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OISC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157645&oldid=157644 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (-2) 10/* List of OISCs */
> 1747165147 42414 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hito14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157646&oldid=150449 5* 03TheCanon2 5* (+8) 10Proofreading
> 1747165327 226976 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesick14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157647&oldid=157642 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+1) 10/* Computational class */
< 1747171089 521826 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sprout: Oh, BTW, please make sure that anything generated by ChatGPT is copyright-free before adding it to the wiki. In general, I'd recommend *writing your own words* rather than relying on a generative tool to write for you.
< 1747171131 674102 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The policy's documented at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Copyrights
< 1747172176 389583 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :all my stuff on the wiki predates popular llms
< 1747174018 914693 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname
< 1747174066 942031 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname
< 1747174273 922414 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1747174790 148835 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1747176174 168462 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord
< 1747176186 847935 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1747176260 263262 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1747181891 60175 :ajal!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
> 1747188072 208864 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157648&oldid=157637 5* 03H33T33 5* (+448) 10
> 1747188740 144633 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WTF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157649&oldid=157648 5* 03H33T33 5* (+27) 10
> 1747195490 149059 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mlatu-614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157650&oldid=157421 5* 03Zhil 5* (+26) 10
< 1747196341 108985 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1747205802 636116 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
> 1747209017 720283 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:JIT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157651&oldid=156870 5* 03JIT 5* (+70) 10
> 1747209904 192514 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Anti-Machine language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157652&oldid=157560 5* 03JIT 5* (+58) 10
> 1747210141 609977 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Print "deadfish"14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157653&oldid=63956 5* 03JIT 5* (+4) 10
< 1747212159 555302 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi *
< 1747215175 813884 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello ?
> 1747216479 954769 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:H. H. P. M. P. Cole/Modulo 214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157654&oldid=148509 5* 03H. H. P. M. P. Cole 5* (+0) 10
< 1747219751 366640 :gry!~gry@botters/gry PRIVMSG #esolangs :sprout: hi
> 1747220971 669382 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OISC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157655&oldid=157645 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+53) 10/* List of OISCs */
< 1747221611 455867 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit
> 1747222322 192495 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:H. H. P. M. P. Cole14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157656&oldid=147340 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+133) 10/* Hi */ new section
> 1747223129 269327 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Underchaos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157657&oldid=157624 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+494) 10
> 1747223287 869800 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Underchaos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157658&oldid=157657 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+1) 10
> 1747223390 813262 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Underchaos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157659&oldid=157658 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+16) 10/* Execution */
> 1747223599 273430 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157660&oldid=157643 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+1) 10/* Users */
> 1747223653 179048 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157661&oldid=157660 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+3) 10/* Users */
> 1747225541 969157 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Irma14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157662 5* 03Neon 5* (+15698) 10Created page with "'''''"Nothing ain't there. -Nicholas L."''''' ==Introduction== [[File:Irma Logo.png|frame|right|Original logo of Irma, circa 2025. Made by Irma's creator, Nicholas.]] {{infobox proglang |name=Irma Arnold |paradigms=Functional |author=[[User:Neon]] |year=[[:Category:2025|2025
> 1747225594 524532 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Irma14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157663&oldid=157662 5* 03Neon 5* (+30) 10
> 1747225636 619079 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Irma14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157664&oldid=157663 5* 03Neon 5* (+1) 10
> 1747225672 46669 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Irma14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157665&oldid=157664 5* 03Neon 5* (+0) 10
> 1747226115 826846 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Irma14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157666&oldid=157665 5* 03Neon 5* (+174) 10
> 1747226148 145265 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Irma14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157667&oldid=157666 5* 03Neon 5* (+0) 10
> 1747226174 715108 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Irma14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157668&oldid=157667 5* 03Neon 5* (+1) 10
> 1747226291 509301 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Irma14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157669&oldid=157668 5* 03Neon 5* (+121) 10
> 1747227714 38464 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157670&oldid=157594 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+37) 10
> 1747229672 217774 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157671&oldid=157647 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+706) 10
< 1747231202 220265 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas
< 1747231732 168971 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode º
< 1747231734 154898 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+00BA MASCULINE ORDINAL INDICATOR]
< 1747231875 451984 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wasdah?
< 1747231956 89613 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :somebody used that instead of ° elsewhere and I wondered what that symbol is
< 1747231989 234620 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's a remnant from latin numerals
< 1747232016 99306 :sprout!~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Xº to denote it's a number
< 1747232036 560906 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes, I've seen people make that mistake.
> 1747232122 408477 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:H. H. P. M. P. Cole14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157672&oldid=157656 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+279) 10
> 1747232150 207894 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:H. H. P. M. P. Cole14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157673&oldid=157672 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-149) 10
< 1747232212 162307 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably because in some fonts they look similar
< 1747232488 113207 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's easy to remember: in iso-8859-1 the middle dot "·" that stands for multiplication has code 0xB7 which is 0x20 less than the code of the multiplication sign "×" which is 0xD7, the degrees sign "°" has code 0xB0 because it looks kind of like a superscript zero, superscript 2 "²" has code 0xB2, superscript 3 "³" has code 0xB3, and
< 1747232488 612632 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :superscript 1 "¹" who cares nobody uses that characters anyway.
> 1747232741 246944 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:I am islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157674&oldid=157517 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+320) 10
> 1747232970 691960 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157675&oldid=155316 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-27) 10
< 1747233822 11484 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed
> 1747235095 928588 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/CGoL+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157676&oldid=154959 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+10) 10
> 1747237364 980279 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Irma14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157677 5* 03Neon 5* (+688) 10Created page with "There's something different about programming as the soft tapping of water crinkles outside. The room is illuminated, but dead in a dim grey. The chatter of the keyboard syncs with the orchestra of rain flowing down the gutter, spewing out onto the ground. The wind blows 
> 1747238995 676290 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Neon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157678&oldid=156485 5* 03Neon 5* (-233) 10
> 1747239835 154857 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Irma14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157679&oldid=157669 5* 03Neon 5* (+717) 10
> 1747239981 642671 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Neon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157680&oldid=157678 5* 03Neon 5* (+29) 10
> 1747240145 794868 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Irma14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157681&oldid=157679 5* 03Neon 5* (+44) 10
> 1747240383 816181 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Irma14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157682&oldid=157681 5* 03Neon 5* (+156) 10
< 1747240830 209242 :Neon!~Neon@m83-188-102-93.cust.tele2.lt JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Neon
< 1747240853 937874 :Neon!~Neon@m83-188-102-93.cust.tele2.lt NICK :Guest7594
< 1747240943 602670 :Guest7594!~Neon@m83-188-102-93.cust.tele2.lt QUIT :Client Quit
> 1747242659 893112 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[079D brainfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157683 5* 03JORE 5* (+869) 10Created page with "== 9D Brainfuck ==  '''9D Brainfuck''' is a esolang of fun modification of brainfuck. It have fake commands added.  === Commands: === {| class="wikitable" |+  |- ! Command !! Action/Brainfuck |- | + || + |- | - || - |- | > || > |- | < || < |- | [ || [ |- | ] || ] |- | 
> 1747243098 580965 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interpreterion14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157684&oldid=157561 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+118) 10
> 1747243210 880907 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interpreterion14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157685&oldid=157684 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+62) 10/* Rapid growth */
> 1747243253 579934 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interpreterion14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157686&oldid=157685 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+2) 10/* Rapid growth */
< 1747243802 117695 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :cu
> 1747244079 281407 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Impossible to quine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157687 5* 03JORE 5* (+349) 10Created page with "== Impossible to quine ==  '''Impossible to quine''' is a esolang which you cannot quine in it. Normally the output is '''I won't allow you to quine'''. If your code be '''I won't allow you to quine''', it will output '''Sorry, you cannot quine.'''  === Quine (i
> 1747245221 225385 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Hakerh400/How to write quines14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157688 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+182) 10Created page with "Thank you, [[User:Hakerh400]]! I made [[Parenthesys#Quine|my first quine]] using your manual! ~~~~"
> 1747246037 287658 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07;;;*++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157689&oldid=157328 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+19) 10
> 1747250739 766558 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157690&oldid=157670 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+229) 10
> 1747252435 3651 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157691&oldid=157690 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+14) 10
> 1747252850 179311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157692&oldid=157691 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+146) 10/* 1 */
> 1747254759 616663 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Henry 5*  10New user account
< 1747254830 150079 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname
< 1747256035 220593 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:184:8e0:b5fb:a34d JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic
< 1747256383 67431 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1747257212 975867 :op_4!~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473 JOIN #esolangs op_4 :op_4
< 1747257763 841064 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1747257943 806186 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, the wiki is being very unresponsive: is it under pressure from scraperbots again?
< 1747257966 207118 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:184:8e0:b5fb:a34d QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
> 1747258041 442780 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157693&oldid=157617 5* 03Ais523 5* (+712) 10/* Movie */ what happened and why I haven't cleaned it up yet
< 1747258186 795615 :FreeFull!~freefull@79.186.68.86.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull
< 1747258437 362754 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: sprout: I think ª and º are like a superscript "th" for making numbers into ordinals (i.e. they make 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 into 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th), but gendered (for languages in which adjectives have gendered) – probably specifically for Spanish
< 1747258449 555603 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* in which adjectives have genders
< 1747258497 882132 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can see an example at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/primero#Spanish
< 1747258504 855827 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which says that "
< 1747258520 342310 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* which says that "1.º" and "1.ª" are alternative forms of "primero" and "primera"
< 1747258528 443252 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(both meaning "first")
< 1747258774 258281 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on my keyboard, ª is altgr-shift-f and º is altgr-shift-m, presumably for "female/feminine" and "male/masculine"
< 1747259968 218646 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:e93f:66b3:6eac:7b8a JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic
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< 1747266723 676179 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
< 1747267227 766474 :Lykaina!~lykaina@user/lykaina JOIN #esolangs Lykaina :Lykaina
< 1747267301 836208 :Lykaina!~lykaina@user/lykaina PRIVMSG #esolangs :is esolangs.org down?
< 1747267404 321010 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looks that way; ais523 also mentioned it a few hours ago.
< 1747267472 205341 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not quite down but under so much load you can hardly get through
< 1747267483 382386 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah. I haven't gotten through yet.
< 1747267489 829713 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess someone ought to ping fizzie, but I strongly suspect this is scraperbots that need blocking rather than an actual site problem
< 1747267501 354838 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and fizzie may well be asleep)
< 1747267511 742241 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd assume he's asleep, yeah
< 1747267734 719530 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, again.
< 1747267753 456652 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or not
< 1747267766 670639 :molson!~molson@2001:48f8:7040::1593 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1747267789 670482 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's getting ~95% 4xx errors, but I guess they're slow and/or expensive 4xx's this time.
< 1747267790 993958 :molson!~molson@2001:48f8:7040::1593 JOIN #esolangs molson :realname
< 1747267831 483481 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe there's a common URL pattern that could be blocked (especially if the pages are guaranteed to not exist so there's no purpose for a human visiting them)
< 1747267959 862723 :Lykaina!~lykaina@user/lykaina PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm logged in
< 1747268258 106855 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not really super-obvious this time, from the logs. Here's a 30-second sample of URLs only: https://zem.fi/tmp/urls.txt
< 1747268304 958359 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Special:RecentChangesLinked" probably being the expensive operation.
< 1747268373 474963 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yes – I'm not even sure if that one is indexed
< 1747268444 614890 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: parameter order works for this one, the wiki's provided links to RecentChangesLinked put the title at the start, not the end
< 1747268517 915848 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact, this bot appears to be alphabetising URL parameter order even in cases where that changes the meaning of the URL
< 1747268546 464492 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :such as with returnto= (where an & after the = does not introduce a new parameter but rather is part of the URL being returned to)
< 1747268608 340203 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's probably a misguided attempt to avoid crawling the same page twice (without realising that many of the parameters may not significantly change the page being crawled)
< 1747268613 954422 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :really? wouldn't it be quoted as %26?
< 1747268652 335755 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> chr 0x26
< 1747268653 578372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : '&'
< 1747268689 479189 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. Well, those requests ended on their own ~15 minutes ago, and the load also does seem to have dropped from flat 100% down to ~60% (and the wiki answers to me now), so maybe it's not entirely down any more.
< 1747268703 353091 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: actually there seems to be a different form of quoting: https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=The+Waterfall+Model&returntoquery=action%3Dedit
< 1747268799 89658 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, these aren't all alphabetised, just most of them – maybe two different bots, or one bot + legitimate humans
< 1747268824 291101 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's the login link from https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=The_Waterfall_Model&action=edit
< 1747268835 504273 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(when not logged in)
< 1747268848 504887 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Related changes is a link on the sidebar for (almost) every page, and I know I've clicked on it by accident a few times when I meant Recent changes. 
< 1747268853 381718 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: right
< 1747268873 222970 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :related changes is theoretically useful in niche circumstances but I don't use it very often
< 1747268899 203278 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I personally don't think I ever used Related changes legitimately, but it may be useful for others
< 1747268900 962460 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I've intentionally used it (to solve a problem rather than to test how it works) something like once or twice in my life, and only at Wikipedia
< 1747268930 623123 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's most useful on categories, e.g. I think I've used it on Wikipedia's esolang category to see changes to esolang articles
< 1747268938 9799 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but then I use other weird tools that other people may think is useful only in niche cases
< 1747268970 203563 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would probably be reasonable to restrict this sort of expensive query to logged-in users, but I'm not sure how difficult that is to configure
< 1747269066 50575 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't remember ever using that feature.
< 1747269067 969275 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case, a simple regex block on title=Special:RecentChangesLinked and title=Special%3ARecentChangesLinked (the dump contains both, oddly) might be enough
< 1747269073 461579 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, not at the start of the URL
< 1747269084 321703 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the start of the relevant portion of the URL0
< 1747269110 369973 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but I can see that it's right there under "Tools" so a crawler would obviously pick that up)
< 1747269111 513304 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've added some ad-hoc filters, do let me know if you run into unexpected 503s as part of real use.
< 1747269141 855405 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Someone also pointed me at a MediaWiki extension that can allegedly restrict specific special pages to logged-in users.
< 1747269148 873979 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, thanks for the attention
< 1747269160 452657 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: right, there are a whole lot of hits on the "create account" page with different return-to URLs, too
< 1747269230 102704 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Specifically, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown -- which has a setting that "allows you to specify for each special page which user groups have access to it". I'll consider adding that extension when I next update MediaWiki, which should probably be soonishly anyway.)
< 1747269232 881537 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I think this bot may be randomising whether or not to escape query parameters
< 1747269443 272676 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :From what I've heard, this sort of thing (nonsensical, resource-intensive antisocial crawling) has been happening to all kinds of "small" websites, like the Debian bug tracker's query functionality has apparently been non-functional due to it.
< 1747269524 516454 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes – I'm a member of a webforum who was hit by it
< 1747269575 195854 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's not just small websites too, but larger ones as well (although they're more easily able to absorb the load)
< 1747269787 778243 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently it also bothers "small" websites like github: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/159123
< 1747269879 944496 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also rather more traffic than I'd expect from real users to various "Special:WhatLinksHere" pages, but those have less obvious patterns because sometimes it's a /w/index.php URL, while other times it's a "/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/" one, and the latter one's probably the same a real user would use.
< 1747270000 772592 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think WhatLinksHere is just an index lookup, at least (whereas RecentChangesLinked probably needs a join)
< 1747270099 71902 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use WhatLinksHere much more often than RecentChangesLinked, at least – although it's still fairly rare (most commonly I use it to check inbound links when deleting a page, although I am often willing to just let them turn red)
< 1747270337 873310 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What I tried to do on my own computer is to set up port knocking for the HTTP server (and only for the HTTP server), due to this excessive badly behaved scraping.
< 1747270409 420517 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, the extension you mention for MediaWiki might be suitable if you only need to block access to some special pages rather than everything, I suppose.
< 1747270484 735674 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, it looks like the performance is okay-ish now, so maybe that'll help kick the can down the road some. It's still a persistent 50% CPU load and ~6 qps, so I'm sure it's still 99+% bots, which is a shame, but at least it's maybe not preventing real visitors.
< 1747270796 870071 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use What links here occasionally regularly. 
< 1747270809 515629 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/regularly/for a legitimate purpose/
< 1747271114 485145 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also sometimes use "What links here"
< 1747271905 942937 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:e93f:66b3:6eac:7b8a QUIT :Quit: Client closed
< 1747272986 284792 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think port knocking doesn't work well for a public website because even if you tell people the knock sequence, most people wouldn't be able to enter it correctly
< 1747273107 561970 :Lykaina!~lykaina@user/lykaina PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is port knocking?
< 1747273428 828580 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lykaina: so when you make a network connection to a computer (typically a server), the connection request contains a number (the "port number") that specifies what program you want to connect to; in theory it could be anything, but various protocols have standard numbers so that you don't need to specify the number (e.g. mailservers use port 25 to communicate with each other and web browsers use 80 for http or 443 for https)
< 1747273448 921131 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :port knocking is when you make a series of connections to the same computer and use the port numbers like you're entering a password
< 1747273460 824568 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's just an arbitrary sequence of numbers that you have to find out
< 1747273487 114913 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a server that requires port knocking will reject all the connections until you connect with the right sequence of port numbers, and only then will it accept the connection
< 1747273547 558892 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's basically a way to do the equivalent of a login sequence, but at a lower level than typical password entry forms, i.e. it's done while forming the connection, before the program that will eventually accept the connection even sees it
< 1747273590 783472 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Classically, you make the sequence not monotonically increasing (and/or add ports that will immediately fail it) to prevent a linear port scans (are those even a thing anymore?) from accidentally passing the knock sequence.
< 1747273647 85489 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :port scans are definitely still a thing, although I think that nowadays the primariy legitimate use is in attempts to detect systems that have been infected by malware and have more ports open than they should as a consequence
< 1747273660 721421 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure whether they're typically linear – there's no particular reason to port scan in any particular order
< 1747273685 233059 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I kind-of assumed that you'd implement it so that any port that wasn't the next one in the sequence would cause you to have to start again from the start
< 1747273984 133412 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wikipedia points out that port knocking is usually vulnerable to replay attacks, so it's harder to secure than password authentication would be
< 1747274102 921153 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The port-knocking scheme I use for SSH involves having to attempt a TCP connection with a specific MSS value, which seems to work okay in practice, and has the benefit that the "knock" can happen on the same port as the service, meaning it's usually affected by the same firewall rules as the actual connection would be.
< 1747274136 993447 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ah, one-port knocking to get through firewalls, that makes sense as security through obscurity
< 1747274160 102456 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was thinking that maybe the best alternative would be to have some sort of authentication service running on a known port which you could send passwords to securely, and then it would open some other port for you
< 1747274324 368183 :Lykaina!~lykaina@user/lykaina PRIVMSG #esolangs :what if the port knock sequence is one of those codes that change every 30 sec
< 1747274366 58076 :Lykaina!~lykaina@user/lykaina PRIVMSG #esolangs :using 10 ports, for digits 0-9
< 1747274378 142137 :Lykaina!~lykaina@user/lykaina PRIVMSG #esolangs :and 6 knocks
< 1747274403 392249 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep, you can do that sort of thing if you want to
< 1747274411 211059 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The MSS thing can be implemented in nftables rules, so it doesn't require a separate (arguably potentially vulnerable, though it could be very minimal) piece of software.
< 1747274415 515338 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(would still be vulnerable to replay attacks unless you only accepted each code once)
< 1747274696 754660 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(A fixed sequence of regular knocks, or even detecting a password in the knock packet, can also be done in firewall rules. Decoding any kind of OTP... well, I hear BPF is quite powerful.)
< 1747275124 689451 :Lykaina!~lykaina@user/lykaina PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is BPF?
< 1747275284 870195 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a non-Turing-complete programming language originally designed to implement firewalls
< 1747275302 122773 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although it later got massively extended and sort-of became a different language, eBPF
< 1747275354 723428 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might qualify as an esolang, but is perhaps too practically useful for that
< 1747275565 941040 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but BPF and eBPF became the languages for when a kernel interface wants to accept a function/procedure as an argument, and run it in kernel mode rather than calling back into a usermode process – you translate the function into BPF/eBPF and the kernel runs it for you
< 1747277309 684142 :Lykaina!~lykaina@user/lykaina QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1747283943 15054 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just had one port number to allow access for a limited time, and one lower port number and one higher port number both of which will lock out the access until the correct port number is knocked again. The intention was not security or secrecy, but to prevent excessive load by excessive access by badly behaved automated programs. I did not want to stop anyone from using curl, Lynx, etc.
> 1747285761 606098 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Thue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157694&oldid=155022 5* 03Dadsdy 5* (+66) 10/* External resources */
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> 1747288570 587772 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:H. H. P. M. P. Cole14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157695&oldid=148510 5* 03H. H. P. M. P. Cole 5* (+44) 10
> 1747289986 635749 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:H. H. P. M. P. Cole/Logica14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157696 5* 03H. H. P. M. P. Cole 5* (+1753) 10Created page with "'''Logica''' is an esolang for a 2-bit CPU created by Cole. There is no input/output.  The CPU has four 2-bit registers.  A typical instruction (all the variables are bits):  aa bb cc dddd ee  ==The breakdown of the instr
> 1747290774 360770 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:H. H. P. M. P. Cole/Logica14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157697&oldid=157696 5* 03H. H. P. M. P. Cole 5* (+19) 10
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< 1747301934 791966 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
> 1747302338 556535 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157703&oldid=157661 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+0) 10/* Users */
> 1747302878 252179 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157704 5* 03JIT 5* (+17) 10Redirected page to [[]]
> 1747303531 472601 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157705&oldid=157692 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (-277) 10
> 1747305344 774002 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hakerh14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157706 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+967) 10Created page with "{{WIP}}  '''Hakerh''' is an esolang by [[User:TBPO]] that imitates [[User:Hakerh400]]'s esolangs. I made a timestamp below to mark where my transformation into Hakerh400 begun:  ~~~  == Syntax ==  The program consists of function definitions: f(X) = Y Where uppe
> 1747305399 649421 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hakerh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157707&oldid=157706 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (-40) 10
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> 1747308740 263894 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hakerh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157709&oldid=157707 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+1433) 10
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> 1747309133 942753 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hakerh14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157711&oldid=157709 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+0) 10
> 1747309161 857818 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hakerh14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157712&oldid=157711 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+0) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/157711|157711]] by [[Special:Contributions/TenBillionPlusOne|TenBillionPlusOne]] ([[User talk:TenBillionPlusOne|talk]])
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< 1747309611 531284 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, want to the GCC bug tracker (there's a documentation mistake that I've been aware for at least a decade that I never get around reporting, and probably won't this time either), and it flashed that Anubis thing briefly, so I guess they've also had problems with scrapers.
> 1747309614 416885 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157714&oldid=157559 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+21) 10/* I */
< 1747309645 243174 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis <- this thing.
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< 1747309850 354452 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm sure it is very effective, but it also requires clients to execute JS, which pretty much disqualifies it instantly.)
< 1747310346 758550 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't even know if they expect docs bugs through the bug tracker. The "gcc" product has a "web" component, described as "There is an error or omission on the Web pages", but most issues in it aren't about the manual. And there isn't a "doc" or "manual" component or anything similar.
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< 1747310951 249658 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: which book from among the manuals, as in the titles listed at https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/ ? the main GCC Manual or some other one?
< 1747311181 41898 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also do you have a patch or just a bug report?
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> 1747311262 108739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Micron Turi-Complete Aembly Lauage14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157723 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+5355) 10Created page with "Micron Turi-Complete Aembly Lauage(Micron Turing-Complete Assembly Language, MTCASM for short) is designed by PSTF, based on Assembly Language of Windows, and [[X-ASM]] by the same author.  = Prologue = MTCASM is a Turing-Complete, Stron
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< 1747311410 626066 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't find any instructions on how to report documentation bugs without a patch.
< 1747311453 570471 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've reported a compiler bug for gcc but that was many years ago, never reported a doc bug for gcc.
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< 1747311971 497068 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The main one, and I don't have a patch because I don't really want to make a judgement call on what to write instead.
< 1747311978 209478 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The problem is in https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Zero-Length.html and it's... well, this: https://zem.fi/tmp/fam.txt
< 1747312074 322530 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh heck, zero length array. I think the gcc devs wish they could go back in time and change that feature to never have existed in gcc, but they also can't remove it now because the linux kernel or some other programs depend on it too much.
< 1747312095 103180 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, it's not really about zero-length arrays as such, it's about the standard mechanism (flexible array members).
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< 1747313884 220806 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: hmm, that does look like the doc is misleading
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< 1747313973 647038 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( the bigger scandal is that this is an extension )
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< 1747314234 210122 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can you even work around this reliably? I mean, sure, you can define a copy of the struct with a concrete length for the array and initialize that, then cast things around. But couldn't the alignment of that final field depend on its size?
< 1747314290 246997 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I seem to recall that offsets are only guaranteed to be equal if the field types up to that point (including the field itself) are equal.
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< 1747314506 677712 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: no. (1) we have C99 flexible arrays instead of the extension. (2) it's too late to add true zero-size objects to either C or C++, they'd break too much existing code, and zero-length arrays would break even more. (3) there's now a C++ attribute to help with the most common use case for when you would want zero-sized objects, which is when
< 1747314507 176934 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one of the members of a struct is empty (as in padding only but not technically zero-sizeof) then it can overlap with other members of the same struct if you add the right C++ attribute from a recent C++ standard. (the previous workaround was to use a base instead of a member). (4) the other common use case is passing an empty (not zero sized)
< 1747314507 677619 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :struct to a function as argument. under the x86 ABI, if the struct is trivial then such a struct is already eliminated and doesn't consume any registers, so there's no run-time overhead.
< 1747314522 658301 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, I mean the xi6_64 gcc ABI, not the x86_32 ABI
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< 1747315192 46917 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: have you tried to ask in #gcc on libera?
< 1747315210 920471 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they might know how to submit doc bug reports
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> 1747325888 287140 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple/Source Code14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157744 5* 03H33T33 5* (+7803) 10Created page with "[[Topple| Back to Topple]]  ''Disclaimer: The current source file is bugged. The fixed file will be added ASAP'' ==Source Code== [[Topple/Source_Code|C Source Code]] 
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< 1747331995 561430 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think zero-length arrays and zero-length structures are useful and are better than the flexible arrays of C99 and other work-arounds that shouldn't be needed.
< 1747332070 630555 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :They shouldn't guess why you want zero-length arrays and structures; it can just be allowed and then you can use it for whatever purpose is appropriate. It does have more uses than have been mentioned.
< 1747332131 503531 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :For example, sometimes you will be using a macro to retrieve a type or number from a structure but where that type or number is not actual data in the structure. Another use is if a name is required to be defined but does not need to do anything else, in which case it is suitable to take up zero space. There are others as well.
< 1747332809 620314 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I think there are problems with C; I would just allow zero-length stuff, and make other changes as well, including removing some of the C99 and later stuff while keeping some of it)
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< 1747334825 890357 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: yes, zero-length arrays and zero-length structs are very useful, which is why rust supports them completely. they're just not worth to retrofit to an existing language like C or C++ without potentially silently breaking a lot of things that assume that zero-length data can't exist.
< 1747334933 763468 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also the C++ attribute that I mentioned earlier is [[no_unique_address]], introduced by C++20
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< 1747335975 908187 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rust has its own problems, including Unicode string types, and I think also excessive dependencies for programs, and I don't know if Rust has a "goto" command.
< 1747336044 867745 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, although it might not be worth to retrofit to C99 and newer, it can be done as an extension of C89 to add and change some things (including some things of newer versions of C); a compiler operating in C99 and newer mode could disable the features that don't work if that becomes necessary
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< 1747336374 35167 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: the unicode string tyeps are only a mild problem that can be solved by some later library additions. the main thing that's currently missing from the stable part of standard library is a byte string infix in byte string search (like memmem in C), but the devs are already working on adding such functions. some of the IO and operating system abstractions also use the unicode string types, but those 
< 1747336380 40698 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :are not so hard to replace with a different library.
< 1747336495 594993 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would generally recommend to just ignore the library unicode string types in rust, unless you want to modify the rustc compiler or write procedural macros. what's in and not in the standard library is very much influenced by what library functions rustc itself depends on.
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< 1747339553 93046 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Having the Unicode string types means that library API calls would use it. (GOTO doesn't have this problem because even if a library uses GOTO that does not affect the API calls.)
< 1747339737 544548 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I think there are other problems with Rust and some of the more modern programming languages as well; C does have some problems but the newer ones (and sometimes newer versions of C) tend to make some things worse instead.)
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< 1747340059 50394 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: also ziglang supports zero-length structures. I'm not too familiar with zig so I'm not entirely sure if it supports zero-length arrays too, but I think it does. 
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> 1747343241 505739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Buckets14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157767&oldid=157435 5* 03Buckets 5* (+10) 10/* 2020 */
> 1747343264 142320 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Moxy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157768 5* 03Buckets 5* (+3080) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}} moxy(, which Stands for Malice-cive Over-infuriating, also filling you with Xurddjtsudutdiuf and Yjdtjxjfyxufifidfufduuf potential) is an Esoteric programming language created by [[User:Buckets]] in 2020, it was [[User:Buckets]]' First attempt to Make a "Hard
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> 1747345372 685637 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PNPL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157773&oldid=157754 5* 03Henry 5* (+6360) 10
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> 1747349741 366972 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Henry14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157774 5* 03Henry 5* (+470) 10Created page with "Hi, my name is Henry, and I've reached this wiki since I like to both create and implement esoteric languages (above all, because most of the time their interpreters can be reduced to only a couple lines of Python).  You can learn more about me in my [https://github.com
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> 1747359979 487334 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interpreter-modifying14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157788&oldid=157584 5* 03Corbin 5* (+331) 10The concept goes back to the beginning of Lisp, but was not well-defined enough for efficient self-hosting prior to Black.
> 1747360416 169673 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Black (Asai)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157789 5* 03Corbin 5* (+650) 10Stub for what I think is the first proven-efficient infinite tower of metainterpreters in the literature.
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> 1747362268 867289 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Black (Asai)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157791&oldid=157789 5* 03Corbin 5* (+73) 10Categories.
> 1747366995 365084 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Monoid14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157792 5* 03Corbin 5* (+792) 10I have like twenty tabs open right now and I'm still probably gonna get something wrong. Here's an outline.
> 1747367879 494338 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07G14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157793 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+7501) 10Created page with "==Intro== G is a 2D esolang created by [[User:Helpeesl]] on May 15th 2025 and only uses commands which have been represented by G, g, , , , , or other forms of g in other programming languages. ==Commands==  > Moves the pointer to the right one  from [[Look!]], [[ABCDE]], [[
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> 1747370679 475679 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:I am islptng/Draft14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157806&oldid=157787 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+32) 10
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< 1747370752 484466 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: Rust currently doesn't have a goto statement, although there are plans to add gotos from one arm of a "match" (the equivalent of a "switch") to another
< 1747370866 936570 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yes, Rust's "String" type and "str" are Unicode, but you don't have to use them for strings, there are a range of other string-like types available like OsString (OS default, e.g. UTF-16 on Windows) and Vec (bytestring)
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< 1747376898 481727 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: IIUC OsString on windows is actually also UTF-8 strings, they're just converted to UTF-16 on the fly when passed to a win32 system call eg. representing a filename. 
< 1747376945 878978 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :see https://doc.rust-lang.org/nightly/std/ffi/struct.OsString.html the paragraph starting with /Note,/
< 1747377027 517655 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I'm pretty sure Rust OsString on Windows can represent a string that contains surrogates
< 1747377032 345892 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unpaired surrogates, that is
< 1747377203 847613 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it could just UTF-8-encode the surrogates
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< 1747386646 768606 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
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< 1747407573 349686 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what the heck? "correspondance" is spelled with "ance" in english, but "ence" in french? I was told that the "ance" vs "ence" spelling always matches between english and french! it's all lies!
< 1747407652 427396 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wrong way around
< 1747407679 529343 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh... yes, it's spelled with "ence" in english and "ance" in french
< 1747407697 560547 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but why?
< 1747408164 292504 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another example is "difference" vs "diffránce" (sp?); there was some sort of vowel shift after the loaning of these words.
< 1747408241 661200 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: My dictionary says that it's "différence" in French, which has the same ending
< 1747408243 107258 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, wow. "différance". I was not even close.
< 1747408256 313399 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and I don't think that á is a letter in French)
< 1747408296 819139 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :différance is a French word, but it's the equivalent of the obscure English word différance (which is presumably a loanword)
< 1747408319 159798 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Oh, apparently Derrida deliberately used the old spelling, and that's why it sticks out in my mind.
< 1747408336 812758 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So this is a non-example for modern Francophones.
< 1747408350 580345 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : The ⟨a⟩ of différance is a deliberate misspelling of différence, though the two are pronounced identically
< 1747408365 657262 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep, an example of hauntology.
< 1747408601 406105 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"ance" vs "ence" ending is always pronounced differently, that's why this is so confusing
< 1747408630 830920 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1747408632 516101 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ARGH
< 1747408645 260508 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"ance" vs "ence" ending is always pronounced the same, that's why this is so confusing
< 1747408652 679880 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :my mind is broken
< 1747408725 739233 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean there was the part where "correspondence" applies at the meta level too because these are about english and french words corresponding to each other, and now you brought up "difference".
< 1747408738 613449 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the vowel's more a schwa than anything, I think – which would imply that it would be pronounced differently if you stressed the syllable but not in its usual unstressed state
< 1747408783 753348 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :are there any esolangs which are named using regular words except that the stress is in the wrong place?
< 1747408869 790762 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, maybe the spelling is an attempt to set up a who shaves the barber style paradox, like "what's the only word ending in 'ance' or 'ence' where the correspondence between english and french spelling is broken?" "correspondence." "yes, that's what I said."
< 1747408921 682547 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"except the stress is in the wrong place" => probably, because there are both british and american esolangers, and they don't always agree on where the stress is
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< 1747409161 413868 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course this started because I was writing "correspondence" and then decided to look up the spelling. not that my readers would care in this case.
< 1747409273 606235 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :often the only way to memorise this sort of thing is to read enough English that it become subconscious
< 1747409322 435190 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: "why" -- apparently it's taken from Latin without the detour via French: https://www.etymonline.com/word/correspondence
< 1747409421 188056 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, I know "existence" is one that I often used to spell wrong
< 1747409529 802515 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: latin is what usually decides between "ance" and "ence" spelling yes, and that's why it matches in french and english, but that doesn't explain the difference for "correspondance" in french vs "correspondence" in english
< 1747409592 115204 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I don't care about that part as much.
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> 1747416726 795566 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Monoid14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157858&oldid=157821 5* 03Corbin 5* (+1854) 10I see that leaving this half-finished was a mistake. Next time I will not start editing before bed.
< 1747416776 795741 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I can't see a way to save your paragraph in [[monoid]]. The freedom of equality isn't the point, and that's actually why I included equality in the top-level definition.
< 1747416808 866411 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's relevant here is that for any set L, L* is a monoid; that is, there's a functor * : Set -> Mon.
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< 1747416847 593721 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I need to bulldoze that section somewhat anyway, because I didn't realize that I need to define monoid presentations and rank *after* free monoids.
> 1747417096 97172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Monoid14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157859&oldid=157858 5* 03Corbin 5* (+240) 10Put the category-theory gibberish at the bottom, out of the way. Most folks will only care about sets.
< 1747417107 165814 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: so the basic problem with the article is that someone who knows enough of the relevant mathematics to be able to understand it would already know what a monoid is, so it's unclear who the target audience is
< 1747417128 355556 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Oh! Okay, let's reset assumptions before I keep editing.
< 1747417161 159903 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's probably fixable after the artice is finished, though
< 1747417202 387512 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :My main thought was that I've gotten basically no guidance on [[concatenative language]]. My secondary thought was that monoids sure pop up a lot but we never bother to explain what they are.
< 1747417299 926122 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm seriously concerned that we're going to enter a third generation of programmers who refuse to learn what a monoid homomorphism is, and we're not even having a page that bikesheds the terminology.
< 1747417335 261967 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :concatenative languages bother me a bit, because there are a) concatenative calculus languages like Joy and Mlatu which clearly fit, and b) a whole sphere of concatenative-ish languages like brainfuck which are a bit of a grey area
< 1747417343 661289 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I'm not sure how to deal with b) in my head
< 1747417352 462837 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[BF instruction minimalization]] is a messy read at best. Basically lab notes. Do we have a clear target audience for that?
< 1747417389 182127 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, sure, the tribes of programming languages are a difficult Whorfian mind-lock to escape.
< 1747417391 890186 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's for people who want to see a lot of partial attempts at minimalising BF
< 1747417406 871505 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is a nontrivially-sized target audience
< 1747417430 668167 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. As opposed to [[simple translation]], which is for the much smaller audience of folks who are minimising BF~
< 1747417431 602162 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are so many programmers who see that < and - can be combined into a single instruction and the language still works, then try to go further
< 1747417454 350688 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the simple translation page came a lot later, and was an attempt to formalise some of the concepts rather than to show a lot of attempts
< 1747417483 420413 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and was also intended to shed light onto the "minimalise BF into a turning tarpit" approach which may, oddly, still be possible via simple translation)
< 1747417519 508783 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but "trying to minimalise BF" is a) a popular subject, b) something that it's very easy to do incorrectly
< 1747417539 944321 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so having a lot of visible attempts is in some sense useful to avoid duplication of effort (and also to demonstrate why it's hard to do correctly)
< 1747417602 282198 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm trying to remember if anyone's tried obviously futile things like memory-mapping [ and ] yet – it wouldn't surprise me
< 1747417614 838566 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, I think that you and I look at deep structure differently. I'm completely unsurprised that monoids would show up randomly in the syntax of existing languages, because existing languages tend to have *much* richer structures, up to Kleene algebras!
< 1747417660 269693 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: oh, I'm not surprised that the syntax forms a monoid – I'm surprised that the syntax forms a *function* in a way that makes composition meaningful
< 1747417711 728168 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Oh, it's because control flow tends to be monadic and monads are a special kind of monoid.
< 1747417732 420725 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you have the ability to say "do this, then do that", that usually implies some sort of monoidal action combining this and that.
< 1747417807 615419 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, but the monadic flatmap feels a bit different from the normal sense of function composition
< 1747417833 55377 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it can be viewed as a function composition, though
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< 1747417973 635681 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The way we usually do it (for some monad M) is to lift functions X → Y to actions X → M(Y). This is why folks say that monad-heavy languages act "in the monad" or "return into the monad".
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< 1747418002 412443 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Then the composition is "ordinary" function composition, using the pieces of the monad as needed.
< 1747418028 782586 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, yeah, monoids are just special cases of categories. It's all just goo at some point.
< 1747418043 702829 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, no, because the syntactic composition composes X→M(Y) with Y→M(Z) to produce X→M(Z), and function composition doesn't do that
< 1747418069 90561 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a related operation but not identical
< 1747418084 71019 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Syntactic composition with the semicolon will do that. Most languages don't have the "programmable semicolon"; the monad is fixed.
< 1747418110 475141 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, OK, I think I understand what I'm stuck on now
< 1747418148 663331 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we are composing X→Y and Y→Z but the actual program is doing M(X→Y) and M(Y→Z) for some fixed monad M
< 1747418199 422307 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are, e.g., two ways to view an Underload fragment: either it's a function from the portion of the stack it reads to the portion of the stack it writes, or it's a function from stacks to stacks
< 1747418216 141757 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, exactly. Like for BF, the monad passes the state of the tape and pointer and manages I/O. The homomorphism is sending us to the Kleisli category where that monad is a fixed background effect.
< 1747418227 261054 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the latter view is easy to understand and reason about – but the former view is the one you are mostly using when programming in it
< 1747418251 24168 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right. The latter is what we do with Forth-style stack-effect comments like ( x y -- z w z )
< 1747418255 901264 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for languages which are further away from concatenative calculus, the monad is pulling more weight and is less visible
< 1747418281 669241 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But the former is what we operationalize with e.g. Haskell stacks like (x, (y, Stack)) -> (z, (w, (z, Stack)))
< 1747418301 810781 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so defining them as concatenative means that you are trying to force the monad "into view", and into the definition of syntax fragments as functions, when it isn't something that programmers consciously think about usually
< 1747418327 12809 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. And for languages like Cammy, with *no* background monad, this hopefully trivializes; one can pretend that Cammy is always talking about sets.
< 1747418368 121663 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw, I'm generally a believer that statically typed languages should try to make their background monads more visible, especially by integrating them into the type system
< 1747418395 907879 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think effect systems are an example of that sort of thing
< 1747418414 44740 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and Haskell is substantially in that direction already (although I don't use it much)
< 1747418473 32615 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, here's a concrete motivation for compiler engineers: concatenative reasoning can be used to iterate over a list of operations, and a monoid can be used to optimize those iterations down into a single action.
< 1747418501 504775 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Peephole optimizers are an obvious example, but abstract interpreters can be defined to generally walk over a list (or anything traversable, of course...)
< 1747418514 759336 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so compiler intermediate representations have been gradually moving in that direction – but they also usually have more symmetries than a monoid implies
< 1747418537 865871 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you end up with something that is a monoid, but has extra structure on top (and typically doesn't syntactically match the original language)
< 1747418564 736450 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, tell me what you think of this: https://github.com/rpypkgs/rpypkgs/blob/main/bf/bf.py#L163-L192
< 1747418589 494628 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh right, Github doesn't work without JS nowadays
< 1747418592 441547 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :give me a moment
< 1747418592 908324 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is a one-register abstract interpreter over BF. Its correctness is mostly from the idea that we really do have a monoid.
< 1747418613 352223 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(pull requests still work, and readmes on project home pages, just not anything else)
< 1747418640 805119 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are raw links still working? https://raw.githubusercontent.com/rpypkgs/rpypkgs/refs/heads/main/bf/bf.py
< 1747418690 1814 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I loaded it, eventually
< 1747418701 802550 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I find it hard to read and hard to get an idea of whether or not it's correct
< 1747418759 244468 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…also I was surprised that I'm apparently not the only person who habitually uses "rv" for temporary variables that are used to construct the return value of a function, despite the name being an obvious initialism
< 1747418837 329673 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, things like "elif adHead is anAdd and ad is aZero: bfHead, adHead, immHead = bf, ad, imm" look like bugs to me – I assume that adds are more complicated than zeros, so why would you overwrite the add with the zero?
< 1747418848 243067 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that doesn't mean they are bugs, it might just mean that I'm not understanding how the code works
< 1747418928 548946 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :adHead is the next instruction to commit and ad is the next instruction to decode. This corresponds to BF code like `++[-]`; we're committed to adding 2, but that will be wiped out by an unconditional 0.
< 1747418949 481985 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, I see – it's a "set to zero" instruction, so you're wiping out any previous changes
< 1747418961 816374 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, yeah, like in bfmacro.
< 1747419017 255883 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess this code is not making use of the monoidal nature of BF because it would work just as well scanning left to right
< 1747419060 215731 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…although it's hard to imagine a nonassociative version of BF that could be used to demonstrate the code still working
< 1747419104 121929 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"do a, then (b then c)" is basically inherently equivalent to "do (a then b), then c" and I can't currently think of a way to break it even in an esolang
< 1747419112 182568 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe some sort of race condition/
< 1747419115 562817 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The correctness stems from the idea that a monoid can always be forcefully turned from a sequence into a (left-leaning?) tree, and then we can do induction and recursion.
< 1747419175 601665 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I was thinking of the converse: I agree the fact that it's a monoid makes it correct, *but* the approach seems conceptually correct even for non-monoids
< 1747419192 689861 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's just that it's hard to verify how that works because it's hard to imagine the underlying operation being nonassociative
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< 1747419212 69614 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's easier to imagine the underlying operation not having an identity
< 1747419267 82074 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although that would be a weird language design exercise: to create a language where (e.g.) empty program and loop bodys aren't allowed, and there is no way to combine commands in order to produce a no-op
< 1747419277 88367 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* loop bodies
< 1747419404 48492 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Elements of bicategories are monads, so there's probably some flavor of Hilton-Eckmann argument nearby.
< 1747419478 682008 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, I'll come back to this eventually, if I find the motivation again.
< 1747419492 813280 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sometimes contributing to this wiki makes me want to smash a keyboard against the wall.
< 1747419624 143602 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I frequently have trouble producing the motivation to do anything
< 1747420035 544888 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I'll stop being a distraction.
< 1747420059 342172 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure that distractions really hurt (except that sometimes I can't even get the motivation to go on IRC)
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< 1747436349 969073 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 "empty program and loop bodys aren't allowed, and there is no way to combine commands in order to produce a no-op" => you could do that with a hypothetical CPU where every instruction overwrites a result or flags register, so if you want to do a conditional branch with the status flags you have to put the branch instruction right after the compare instruction (with not even a function call or 
< 1747436355 974758 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :return between) and if you want to store the result of some arithmetic then you have to put the store right after the arithmetic instruction
< 1747436518 734254 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no no-op combinations because you can never preserve both result registers from the previous state, only one of the two
< 1747436813 675858 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or you could have a machine where every instruction writes exactly one of the eight generaly purpose registers, and the instruction can never read and write the same register, so you always lose the value of one of the eight
< 1747437143 605 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :heck, let's make that sillier, there are 9 general purpose registers, every instruction nominally has two register input arguments and one register output arguments and all three must be distinct, and the three register indexes together are encoded into a 9 bit field.  some instructions ignore one or both nominal input registers, just to keep the operand encoding uniform, but the output register is 
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< 1747482297 961838 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: the change in Rustc 1.87.0, does that solve whatever problem you had with writing vectorized code that dispatches between CPU types in rust? or does this address a different problem?
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< 1747507639 176134 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : ais523: the change in Rustc 1.87.0, does that solve whatever problem you had with writing vectorized code that dispatches between CPU types in rust? ← it helps, in that it makes a solution possible
< 1747507669 363790 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it isn't a complete solution – you still have to write the functions multiple times with different target_feature flags, it just reduces the amount of unsafe you have to use
< 1747507738 517116 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like your "every instruction overwrites a register that wasn't an input" construction, it seems to give a clear path to creating a language with no syntactic monoid
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< 1747508382 699127 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, oh, it's Eurovision time again.
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< 1747523062 760697 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought that in a operating system with capabilities, maybe it will be necessary to add two kind of capabilities: communication capabilities and identification capabilities. (They are the same to the CPU, but the operating system kernel treats them differently.)
< 1747523158 967726 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Identification capabilities cannot be used for communication (trying to send to it is like a disconnected capability and trying to receive from it produces nothing), but the process that created a identification capability (and only that process; no others) can tell that it is a identification capability and can read/write data it stores (probably a single 64-bit value is sufficient; it can be an address if more data is needed).
< 1747523207 746037 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or, maybe such a thing can be done better in a different way.
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< 1747524301 498028 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:49a4:2cae:3bd2:24ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a nano Core War tournament if anyone's interested, $100 first prize.  You just have to program a 5-instruction warrior (or evolve one with something like Yace). http://inversed.ru/CoreWar_Challenge_2.htm
< 1747524466 885801 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :impomatic: I revisited this old thing: https://old.reddit.com/r/box256/comments/4dtkwb/official_leaderboard/mmof14w/ (and many more improvement to other pictures, all in that thread0
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< 1747527679 619648 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :impomatic: I'm surprised that just five instructions is enough to create a sufficient spread of different possible strategies
< 1747527702 663955 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's at about the point where most of the basic strategies can be just-about implemented
< 1747527752 558902 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can scissors be done in five? it might be possible with code-golfing tricks, but seems like it might need a little more
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> 1747574001 776865 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157977&oldid=157943 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+34) 10Just so you know, you are not allowed to lock the rules on the main board.
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> 1747574898 180542 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/My new brief introduction14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157980 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1176) 10Created page with "This is my new brief introduction.  = Text = I'm PrySigneToFry. By chance, I appeared here, a mysterious realm. At that time, the first page I visited was [[Befunge]]. In the first few mon
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< 1747615297 593339 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
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> 1747632214 182522 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timeline14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157988 5* 03Undalevein 5* (+14794) 10Added Timeline language, still working on it but I only saving progress.
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> 1747634017 192583 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timeline14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157989&oldid=157988 5* 03Undalevein 5* (-273) 10Finished working on the Language Overview (for now)
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> 1747634436 853332 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timeline14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157990&oldid=157989 5* 03Undalevein 5* (+530) 10Added example programs.
> 1747634665 99962 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timeline14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157991&oldid=157990 5* 03Undalevein 5* (+10) 10Changed Unknown Usability to Unknown Computational Class
> 1747634764 879522 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timeline14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157992&oldid=157991 5* 03Undalevein 5* (+53) 10Changed quotations to 
> 1747634817 705531 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timeline14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157993&oldid=157992 5* 03Undalevein 5* (+0) 10Not being careful with typos, sorry.
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> 1747645092 819257 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UserEdited14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157995&oldid=157480 5* 03H. H. P. M. P. Cole 5* (+863) 10
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< 1747646939 809940 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Moin
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> 1747650356 161442 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Semistack14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=157997 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+677) 10Created page with "Another [[SLet (Old 3)|Slet 3]] Derivative??? Interesting. --~~~~"
< 1747652898 826208 :gry!~gry@chris-amadeus.bnr.la PRIVMSG #esolangs :APic: hi
< 1747653414 863697 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yo gry 
< 1747653503 100919 :gry!~gry@chris-amadeus.bnr.la PRIVMSG #esolangs :APic: may i ask how are you
< 1747653510 1845 :gry!~gry@chris-amadeus.bnr.la PRIVMSG #esolangs :what you doing here
< 1747653514 402441 :gry!~gry@chris-amadeus.bnr.la PRIVMSG #esolangs :i am new
< 1747653541 746668 :gry!~gry@chris-amadeus.bnr.la PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wanna figure out what you working on. i code in perl and a bit js
< 1747653675 253011 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION just breakfasts a Butter-Brezn

< 1747653682 309497 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :No active Projects currently
< 1747653889 119835 :gry!~gry@chris-amadeus.bnr.la PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, what you special in?
> 1747654305 734711 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timeline14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157998&oldid=157993 5* 03Undalevein 5* (-2) 10Changed the Hello, World program to work in the latest update.
> 1747654362 187064 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timeline14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=157999&oldid=157998 5* 03Undalevein 5* (-11) 10Fixed weird grammar/contextual issue.
< 1747654362 976115 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION can code in C, C++, x86/x64/ARM-Assembly, Perl, Python, Java and JavaScript

< 1747654373 871044 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :And some BrainFuck
< 1747654761 43762 :gry!~gry@chris-amadeus.bnr.la CHGHOST ~gry :botters/gry
< 1747654869 796908 :gry!~gry@botters/gry PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm
< 1747654889 63741 :gry!~gry@botters/gry PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you know of some platfirm for byte sized content
< 1747654893 299445 :gry!~gry@botters/gry PRIVMSG #esolangs :like duolingo
< 1747654904 700702 :gry!~gry@botters/gry PRIVMSG #esolangs :but where i can add my own "course"
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< 1747656145 183758 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nope, sorry
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< 1747660579 714387 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's something I don't understand about inter-thread mutex interfaces. so we have all these multithreading library interfaces, including Posix threads, C++11 threads, C11 threads, rust std::sync.
< 1747660584 654307 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they each have their own mutex and once_flag implementations that are incompatible with other libraries but have similar semantics for inter-thread synchronization. what I find weird is how the mutex and once_flag are created and destroyed.
< 1747660589 707968 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the linux implementation of posix threads has the easiest to use interface. both mutexes and once_flags are just pure memory, they can be initialized by a C constant initializer, and you can just forget about either of them without calling a destructor without leaking any resuorce.
< 1747660593 891664 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this makes sense, because you can effectively implement these with an atomic flag and a linked list of nodes that the waiters allocate on the stack.
< 1747660598 303582 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the contented case, the waiter blocks a signal, atomically pushes itself to the wake-up list by adding its thread-id, verifies that the lock flag is still set, then sigwaits for the signal, then atomically checks-and-sets the flag, then atomically pops himself from the wake-up list.
< 1747660623 801606 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :when the thread that was holding the mutex unlocks, it atomically clears the flag then pthread_kills the first thread in the wake-up list.
< 1747660627 777301 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or something like that, maybe I got the sequence a bit wrong here.
< 1747660631 15736 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the C11, C++, Rust interfaces are a bit less general: they all give you a constructor and destructor function for mutexes, so a mutex can hold resources like operating system handles. this makes sense, they want to be general so they can be implemented on any system.
< 1747660634 826538 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the posix threads interface as POSIX defines it also gives you a constructor and destructor function. but it also says that instead of calling the constructor, you can just use a static initializer.
< 1747660657 312476 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :further, https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/pthread_mutex_destroy.3p.html has the weird statement "Attempting to initialize an already initialized mutex results in undefined behavior".
< 1747660660 826540 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what kind of implementation would ever need such a strong guarantee that you aren't allowed to leak a mutex and overwrite the memory containing the structure even if you promise never to use it again?
< 1747660664 107323 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the weirdest part is the once_flag. neither the posix threads pthread_once_t and C11 once_flag type have no destructors, and both can be statically initialized.
< 1747660667 306701 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the weirdest part is the once_flag. neither the posix threads pthread_once_t and C11 once_flag type have no destructors, and both can be statically initialized.
< 1747660670 963821 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :how come mutexes can leak resources if you don't destroy them, but once_flag can somehow be implemented such that it doesn't hold any resources?
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> 1747661536 831120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:I am islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158003&oldid=157674 5* 03Cycwin 5* (+89) 10/* uhhhhhhhhhhhhh */ new section
< 1747663088 432158 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was thinking of this mostly for
< 1747663312 83549 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the context of a memory tracker that tries to run your program in a slower way where it tracks every memory allocation and free that you do and tries to find where you dereference a stray pointer or where you are accessing a library type that is supposed to be opaque in a way that the library interface doesn't expose for it. if you have a type
< 1747663312 583217 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :like the linux pthreads interface's mutex which normally doesn't need a destructor because it doesn't hold anything outside the structure, but the safety checked version does need to be destroyed or else it leaks resources, that can be annoying.
< 1747663766 515841 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for a type that does have a destructor, there's no problem: if the debugged program leaks one without calling the destructor, it would already leak at least memory, so it's fine if the safety checker leaks more resources to track it.
> 1747664343 61033 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:H. H. P. M. P. Cole14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158004&oldid=158001 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-316) 10
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< 1747669096 577034 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Windows 11 file explorer claims that the size of a file is "1,01,903 KB", and if I open the properties popup then it says that the file size is more precisely "99.5 MB (10,43,47,972 bytes)". Is this a normal way to place commas in some locales, or is there something weird going on here?
< 1747669721 238983 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it looks like it is a thing in some locales. but I hadn't realized that this computer was set up that way.
< 1747670182 188842 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> (104347872 / 2^10, 104347872 / 2^20) -- rounded up, rounded down?
< 1747670183 433649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : (101902.21875,99.51388549804688)
< 1747670196 929205 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: that looks quite atrocious
< 1747670270 1688 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had thought the digit grouping separators were always at multiples of some distance (usually 3 or 4) away from the decimal point. but apparently computer people find the weirdest format that is ever used in real life and build it into the locale and timezones systems.
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< 1747672804 256256 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's the "Indian style", isn't it? 
< 1747672860 173885 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: apparently
< 1747673016 350602 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Makes the commas match with the local languages having words for 100,000 and 10,000,000 (and apparently higher quantities with more factors of 10² too).
> 1747673759 580691 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timeline14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158006&oldid=157999 5* 03Undalevein 5* (+26) 10Fixed contextual issues and changed the symbol order
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< 1747675366 290359 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fun to see g++ outperform clang++ by a factor of 3 (on a particular tight number-crunching loop).
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< 1747678072 194471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :woah something has gone seriously wrong with clang's register allocation in this case: https://paste.rs/ca13U.txt (top: clang++, bottom: g++ ...this is the hot part of the code though that may not be obvious to the compiler)
< 1747678195 817471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm hmm. I guess one thing that makes this code bigger and increases register pressure is that it unrolled the loop.
< 1747678271 747469 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe?
< 1747678530 447428 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, I don't think so. GCC just did better strength reduction, so one of the multiplication is now an addition (leaq).
< 1747678713 899801 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, no, not the leaq; it's the  addq %rbp, %r8. Sorry for the monolog, will move on now :-)
> 1747679042 272394 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne/Draft14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158008&oldid=157986 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+52) 10
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< 1747679659 61261 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, if I do that transformation manually, clang++ and g++ produce code of virtually equal speed.
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< 1747680705 110518 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If making a better programming language than C, I think that I would avoid the confusing syntax for types that C has, I would avoid Unicode, I would avoid using "0" alone as the prefix for octal numbers ("0o" would be better), I would avoid confusions with the syntax such as "/*" for comments even though "/" followed by "*" would be meaningful, and I would avoid some of the more modern stuff in other programming languages that I think 
< 1747680761 600264 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, I would also think to add things, such as customizing the linking in a more elaborate way, which is something that C doesn't do and I think most others also don't do. Being able to specify that a variable has the same address as another variable also can sometimes be useful.
< 1747680795 945555 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if an esoteric programming language has two variants and one of them is a wimpmode then what would you call the other?
> 1747680930 242639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne/Draft14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158012&oldid=158011 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+66) 10/* Expressions */
< 1747680985 295069 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe you will call it "not-wimpmode", but maybe there will be a better name
< 1747681028 12635 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hrm. I think I messed up that speed test. clang++ is still slow on this code. It did get rid of the extra imul though.
< 1747681106 220389 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: maybe you'd like Rust ;-)
< 1747681187 825652 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rust uses Unicode and I think also does not have a "goto" command like C (someone told me that the goto command in Rust is only usable for case blocks; C doesn't have this and I think it would be useful to have both uses of goto)
< 1747681217 787135 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, you wanted something better than C ;-)
< 1747681295 541099 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do think Rust's type syntax is pretty neat. Except maybe for function types.
< 1747681325 85695 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In my opinion, most of the programming languages that they try to make better than C have various problems (and some of the things they add into new versions of C are also not so good, although some (such as the #embed command) are good)
< 1747681336 262854 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :OTOH, Go's type syntax looks terrible.
< 1747681347 772255 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :C's may be objectively bad but I'm used to it. ;-)
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< 1747684496 628366 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hey, what's wrong with Go's types? 
< 1747684504 750996 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I guess I might just have gotten used to them.)
< 1747684734 392894 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I'm also used to C's type syntax so I try to write f32[8] instead of [f32;8] for the array type in rust. the actual rust syntax just isn't in my finger yet.
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< 1747685905 340027 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I made up a ASN1_IDENTIFIED_DATA type but I don't know if that is really a good name or if a better name should be used instead. One use of this type is to identify the format and meaning of a DER file if used at top level (although it can also be used in other levels), but has other uses too. 
< 1747685968 48108 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It starts with a set of object identifiers, object descriptors, and/or sequences that start with a object identifier, and these identify the format (if there is more than one, any one of them (other than object descriptors) can be used; this way, a subset or special case of a file format can be identified). The second item is any value of any type.
< 1747686065 855015 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(There is also an optional third item.)
< 1747686078 65240 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you think there should be a different better name for such a thing?
> 1747686929 818898 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158016&oldid=157315 5* 03Undalevein 5* (+27) 10Added Vyxal Example
> 1747688220 602345 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User programmed14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158017 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+331) 10Created page with "User programmed is an esolang experiment created on May 19th 2025 by [[user:helpeesl]] where you give this page a program and what it does, and Ill try to make a working esolang that does all programs correctly. == Programs ==  == What I think the commands are =
> 1747688286 130230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ShiftEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158018&oldid=157935 5* 03TheCatFromGithub 5* (+73) 10new feature
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> 1747690333 309761 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:User programmed14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158028 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+298) 10Created page with "This first program should be an easy one to guess. ~~~~"
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> 1747695203 630898 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nymal14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158067 5* 03Buckets 5* (+3149) 10Created page with "Nymal is an Esoteric programming language created by [[User:Buckets]] in 2022.  {| class="wikitable" |- ! Commands !! Instructions |- | #"" || Push number to The top Stack. |- | "" || Push String to The top Stack. |- | < || Push Input to The top Stack as a String. |- | > 
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< 1747710480 515388 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had read about reversible computing that they will save power compared with other computers. However, maybe there might also be possibility making a kind of hybrid computing if it helps.
< 1747710506 679528 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :ChaCha20 has a reversible part and then a final part that is not reversible.
< 1747710611 139504 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you have C operators += -= ^= then you can also have locking, with shared locking for each use of each variable on the right, and exclusive locking for each use of each variable on the left (but, you would also have array bound checking and without using other kind of pointers). A counted loop will have shared locking on the repeat count and on the variable to count each iteration.
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< 1747731639 738563 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : woah something has gone seriously wrong with clang's register allocation in this case: https://paste.rs/ca13U.txt ← if this is hot code, I would seriously consider moving the movabs-es outside the loop, although I *think* they're not the limiting factor here (a good approximation is that you can decode 12 instructions while doing a multiplication nowadays, and there are 10 instructions in the body of the loop if you count cmp+je and cmp+jb as one 
< 1747731641 171505 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :instruction each, so it shouldn't be blocked on decode)
< 1747731689 918995 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but gcc's move into %rdx is clearly movable outside the loop except in cases where %rdx needs to be preserved if the first iteration does the jump to .L24
< 1747732068 87350 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: was the clang code compiled without optimisation? it moves a constant into %rax then immediately adds a constant to %rax, and I'd expect just about any compiler to be able to optimise that
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< 1747733756 729277 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I think many modern languages have been avoiding postfix [] for naming array types because they have a prefix operator that acts on types (e.g. pointer/reference formation), and it can make types hard to read and write unambiguously if you have both prefix and postfix operators
< 1747733795 262901 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rust's [T; LENGTH] notation is clever because being circumfix, it's unambiguous no matter what operators you put inside or around it
< 1747733843 915318 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
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< 1747733954 967114 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi APic
< 1747733958 249377 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :☺
< 1747734012 335693 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I'm thinking about how array formation is one of the few two-argument operators that acts on types, but I'm not sure I've seen an infix syntax for it in any remotely recent language
< 1747734028 753865 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there's some really old language where you can do INTEGER*100 or the like to make an array, but forget which one, and doubt it nests
< 1747734072 362682 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :forming product types is also a two-argument operator that acts on types, that's normally called (T, U) but I think I've seen * for it
< 1747734105 287779 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and forming sum types is interesting as that often doesn't have syntax at all, even in languages with sum types
< 1747734112 356667 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: well C++ kind of has std::array
< 1747734135 454857 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: that's similar to the Rust way of doing things
< 1747734201 838094 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you don't want to be able to declare something as "Int + String" (disjoint union) as that makes actual uses of the type difficult; because it could be "Int + Int" the syntax for accessing cases would have to be written by index
< 1747734294 416032 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OCaml lets you do [`I of int | `S of string] to create a disjoint union on the fly, with custom names for the variants
< 1747734390 783952 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been thinking for a while that possibly a good solution to this is to have newtypes that can be created on the fly, plus unions where all the options have to be different newtypes
< 1747734888 490113 :strerror!~strerror@user/strerror PRIVMSG #esolangs :T*N would be a confusing array syntax as it isn't associative: (T*N)*M ≠ T*(N*M)
< 1747734995 225623 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's sort-of associative, the former gives you a two-dimensional array, the latter gives you a one-dimensional array with the same total number of elements
< 1747735005 755301 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the types would be identical in a language that indexed by byte count rather than element count
< 1747735027 237572 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, if it were weakly typed enough
< 1747735748 117821 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: so in naming types, the problem with the C syntax is that the variable name goes in the middle. everyone realized that this was a bad idea, so in a variable declaration, digitalmars D always puts the variable name after the whole type name, while Rust and golang and ziglang put the variable name before the whole type name. IIUC digitalmars
< 1747735748 626075 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :D and golang still uses the order return type then function name then argument list to define functions, but this only applies at the top nesting level, and for declaring function pointers a different syntax is used that keeps the whole typename together with the variable name still after the type in D and before the type in golang.
< 1747735918 648235 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :FORTRAN has a `TYPE*n` syntax, but it's not for arrays, it's for indicating different "variants" of the same type. So you have (standard) `CHARACTER*n` for any n > 0 for a fixed-length string; and you have (nonstandard) `INTEGER*2`, `INTEGER*4` and `INTEGER*8` types for different-sized integers; and you have `REAL*4` and `REAL*8` for two kinds of floats.
< 1747736015 512539 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: right, in general I think it is useful to be able to name a type without having a specific identifier representing the type name in the middle of the syntax
< 1747736027 371916 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this comes up in C with function pointers – they need an argument list but the arguments aren't named
< 1747736155 65164 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Looks like Fortran 90 changed `CHARACTER*123` into `character(len=123)`, too.)
< 1747736278 793133 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh, I just realised that maybe type * type should be a syntax for declaring a map type (value * key)
< 1747736288 465140 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but there's a something strange here: in digitalmars D type operators go on the right of the base type like `double[8] v;` or around it; in Rust and golang and zig type operators go on the left of the base type like `v: &mut double` in rust and `v [8]f64` in golang and `v: [8]f64` in ziglang, or around it. so the simple type operators always go in
< 1747736288 964105 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the middle. how come nobody is using a syntax where there are simple type operators that go only on one side of the type, but they're on the far side of the variable name?
< 1747736306 291162 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that generalizes the idea of type * int being an array, because an array is a map from indexes to values
< 1747736366 910978 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: I'm almost wondering if there's some parser ambiguity in doing that, but I can't immediately think of one
< 1747736391 450825 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also, "double" isn't a Rust type)
< 1747736395 370236 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's called "f64")
< 1747736424 967738 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :uh yes, double is a golang type
< 1747736425 960638 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so `v: &mut f64` in rust and `v [8]dobule` in golang and `v: [8]f64` in ziglang
< 1747736429 18294 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's confusing
< 1747736448 553289 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :C++ `std::tuple` has that property where you can access the individual fields by type if but only if they're distinct types, and have to fall back to indices if not.
< 1747736473 764588 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`double` isn't a Go type either, the types are `float32` and `float64`.
< 1747736476 499234 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :double`? No such file or directory
< 1747736587 866250 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think using lowercase names for primitive types in Rust was a mistake, given that all the standard-library-defined types are upper-camelcase
< 1747736611 499973 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've definitely written code that had a bunch of temporary variables i1, i2, i3, etc.
< 1747736632 98257 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and although you can name a variable the same thing as a primitive type in Rust, so when I reached i8 the code still worked, it looked weird in an editor
< 1747736673 921022 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Rust always needs to know whether it's parsing a type or a value so that it can work out whether >> is a bitshift or two closing brackets, so it allows types and values to have the same name as each other)
< 1747736717 335766 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok hold on, doesn't standard ML put the type constructor on the right and its argument on the left, and the name before the type, so you effectively end up with an order like `v: int list` which is similar to putting type operators on the outside?
< 1747736770 653485 :strerror!~strerror@user/strerror PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess Rust's `t: &mut T` was chosen to mimic the operator `&mut t`. (Just like in C, `T t[N];` was chosen to mimic the operator `t[n]`. Why would anyone find that confusing?)
< 1747736811 654840 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so now we just need to find a language that can put the type modifier first, then the type, then the variable name.
< 1747736886 430185 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if there's no such language yet then we have to make one
< 1747736886 652788 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: OCaml uses that order too
< 1747736890 715555 :strerror!~strerror@user/strerror PRIVMSG #esolangs :Speaking of parsing, the normal way round might be easier because there's usually not many ways to write a variable name
< 1747736895 23651 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which isn't surprising, also being an ML
< 1747736940 711332 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, I think you're misinterpreting the ML order
< 1747736957 88741 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because for two-argument type constructors the syntax is IIRC dict: (string, int) map
< 1747736966 280717 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so, "int" is modifying "list" here rather than vice versa
< 1747737014 20491 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you could compare to Haskell, which uses a similar syntax but in reverse: dict :: Map String Int
< 1747737093 448751 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Go's map types are named `map[K]V`, is that a circumfix or a prefix operator, or both, or neither? 
< 1747737148 597976 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's precircumfix
< 1747737169 781631 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :postcircumfix is fairly common (object.method(args)), but I don't think I've seen a precircumfix operator before
< 1747737328 983985 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess [8]f64 is precircumfix too, so Go is being consistent there
< 1747737358 431791 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, http://rosettacode.org/ is not reachable. that would be a useful way to look for various syntax.
< 1747737462 732705 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wikipedia says it's www.rosettacode.org but that isn't reachable either
< 1747737491 65513 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cppreference.com was being unusuably slow for me as well (wanted to double-check the std::tuple thing).
< 1747737539 943680 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder whether these are side effects of the scraperbots
< 1747737557 131372 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although Rosetta Code was acting like it was intentionally down rather than overloaded
< 1747737559 368123 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I think precircumfix for declaring arrays, with the type on the right and the size in the middle, is used in algol and pascal, so it's very old
< 1747737571 678870 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I _think_ std::variant does the same thing as std::tuple w.r.t. allowing std::get(x) if `type` uniquely determines the member.
< 1747737586 454065 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And std::get(x) with an index in any case.)
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< 1747737663 13250 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I think I have a downloaded copy of the important parts of cppreference.com at home, in case it disappears
< 1747737702 624213 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oddly I don't think I've used it
< 1747737710 463355 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :generally for reading up on C and C++ I use draft standards
< 1747737733 130854 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, I don't program in C++ much – mostly it's just to modify pre-existing C++ programs, and the ones I work with are generally written in very old dialects of C++
< 1747737875 610121 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's convenient for (informally) checking which standard version introduced a thing, since they're pretty good at having "since C++17" style annotations where appropriate.
< 1747737922 208082 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: in Haskell, `let { DECLARATIONS } in EXPRESSION` is a postcircumfix operator that gives an expression
< 1747737957 3556 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you mean precircumfix?
< 1747737961 946845 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, precircumfix
< 1747737967 15705 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OCaml does that too, let a = b in c
< 1747738012 419743 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also C typecasts are precircumfix like (double)4
< 1747738020 3743 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should probably learn C23 at some point, primarily out of curiosity – newer versions of C don't seem so useful given that I expect most newer programs to be written in some safer language nowadays
< 1747738150 490586 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm trying to understand something about the library interface of inter-thread synchronization, I asked yesterday starting from https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2025-05-19.html#l3 , I think some of you might be able to help because I think I'm missing something here
< 1747738403 330474 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, the SIGBOVIK 2025 proceedings have been released for like a week now. I have read only little of it so far, but it's SIGBOVIK so there'll probably be parts interesting or inspiring to this community in there
< 1747738429 264000 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it wouldn't surprise me if the pthreads API fundamentally didn't make sense
< 1747738512 623891 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas:  The pthread_mutex_destroy() function shall destroy the mutex object referenced by mutex; the mutex object becomes, in effect, uninitialized.
< 1747738538 883170 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this explains it: it *uninitialises* a mutex obejct, which is why calling it twice is UB (because you're calling it on an uninitialised variable)
< 1747738610 704455 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can imagine a pthreads implementation where statically initialised mutexes are pointers to static variables that store mutex state, whereas pthread_mutex_init()ed mutexes are pointers to dynamically allocated memory
< 1747738625 815556 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure that that's necessarily a sensible implementation, but it seems to be consistent with the standard
< 1747738649 731432 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: pthread_mutex_destroy twice is an undefined behavior makes sense, sure, my problem is why the manual says that pthread_mutex_init twice is an undefined behavior instead of just a resource leak. unless there is some pre-initialization that I must do before I call pthread_mutex_init, but if there is I don't know of it
< 1747738691 685947 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the POSIX rationale talks about machines which have a special sort of memory for storing mutexes, and where statically initialised mutexes allocate it lazily
< 1747738769 603640 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, it does mention why double-initialising is UB – it's to allow the implementation to return an unlisted error code in cases where it detects that that happens, rather than silently accepting it and leaking memory
< 1747738789 692244 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this would be better off as unspecified behaviour, I think: "either leaks memory or returns EBUSY"
< 1747738838 284688 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, I can see potential anything-happens UB if it ends up unlocking the mutex in the process of reinitialising it
< 1747738874 107970 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, so you mean there'd be a separate table that has the mutex insides, and this has pointers back to the pthread_mutex_init handles that points into it, and pthread_mutex_init would look up what the existing handle points to with bounds checking and checks if the back pointer points back, and that way it can detect double initialization which is
< 1747738874 606786 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :often a sign of a leak?
< 1747738955 850252 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the Rationale doesn't explain how they expected implementations to check for double-initialisation, just that they were expecting that some could
< 1747738991 43269 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :scanning a list of allocated mutexes seems like the only possibility?
< 1747739046 820760 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, wouldn't have to be a linear scan, you could have a hashmap of them or something
< 1747739068 580962 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, it's not the only possibility. if you can rely on reading uninitialized memory as an integer array index without UB then you can do the back pointer thing.
< 1747739094 323317 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah right – that's a sort of map in its own way, of course
< 1747739108 652350 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I forget what it's called
< 1747739170 686449 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, it's just one that's hard to use with the way current language standards handle reading from uninitialized memory. but if you're implementing a mutex you can probably able to rely on some machine-specific low-level detail that can bypass that.
< 1747739186 657846 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it has lead to a lot of acrimony in the Rust community because it can't be correctly implemented in Rust atm, not even by (e.g.) reading the potentially uninitialised memory with inline asm
< 1747739247 692931 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the Rust developers don't want to add a way to do it until someone can prove it correct, which would probably need documenting the exact assumptions the optimiser was allowed to make in every possible scenario, which is a lot of work
< 1747739301 832952 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, but even if you don't want to do this in a new library, an existing old library could be doing this and someone wanted to implement a pthreads interface over it
< 1747739303 742721 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the issue is that it's fine at the hardware level, but very difficult to prove that you aren't violating some assumption that the optimiser might theoretically be able to rely on in future, even if it doesn't at the moment
< 1747739366 243915 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :even if it's possible, I don't like this restriction in the library interface though.
< 1747739369 953397 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(partly because what the optimiser is and isn't allowed to do isn't specified anywhere)
< 1747739411 538820 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I got as far as proving that it's safe if the optimiser doesn't assume anything based about program executions that actually occurred based on program executions that could have occurred, but didn't
< 1747739456 863771 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, not that exactly, it was a related operation (reading from memory that might be racily updated in paralle,)
< 1747739473 677256 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* in parallel, but ignoring the read value unless you can prove after that fact that no race happened
< 1747739593 347606 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can still use that sort of "uninitialized" structure if you only do it on memory that's low-level initialized earlier and you're just reusing such memory for a new array without reinitializing it, but that doesn't work in this weird mutex case
< 1747739929 103102 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case, this has convinced me that the POSIX decisions aren't completely ridiculous
< 1747739942 995498 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I suspect it'd make more sense to use something Valgrindish than trying to do it from within the program
< 1747739997 583945 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess some sort of asan-like thing would make sense, but if it's defined as UB then detected UB should core dump rather than just returning an error code
< 1747740018 186782 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can see why the language definition people are worried about reading uninitialized memory because it could be a problem for future optimizations. If it's ever allowed I think it would be better to use some special primitive operation that copies bytes from potentially uninitialized memory, rather than allow it for ordinary reads.
< 1747740119 136334 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: the debate is about adding such a primitive
< 1747740140 149323 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree it should definitely be a separate primitive – but the Rust developers don't want to commit to the primitive even being possible to implement
< 1747740147 242361 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, and that'd have to be done on the llvm side
< 1747740153 729330 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :LLVM already has such a primitive
< 1747740162 282096 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :llvm does?
< 1747740168 402915 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's called "freeze"
< 1747740184 758704 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although it's awkward naming because the word "freeze" is also used in other contexts
< 1747740224 24832 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the semantics are "given an uninitialised/poisoned/undef input, return an arbitrary bit pattern, otherwise return the value of the input"
< 1747740357 554033 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if there also exists some old or exotic hardware where reading a word of memory that hasn't been initialized since poweron causes actual hardware level undefined behavior because an unclear signal from the bus can poison the CPU. Of course on such hardware you'd typically low-level initialize all the memory before you start to do anything
< 1747740358 54574 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :useful, so it wouldn't come up in practice.
< 1747740365 123729 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, I am somewhat unconvinced by the way LLVM makes decisions about optimiser semantics
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< 1747740441 280359 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was a bug a while ago where two optimisations conflicted with each other, optimising a correct program into an incorrect one, and LLVM decided to work around the problem by changing the semantics of load operations so that they would load undef if racing with a write (rather than doing UB) in order to make one of the optimisations valid
< 1747740464 682560 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm not sure they checked all the other optimisations to make sure they were consistent with the change (rather than just the optimisation that was assuming that it would be UB)
< 1747741732 144836 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :how does that even work? is it not UB only if the load or the conflicting store is done from code compiled with llvm as opposed to code compiled by something else and linked?
< 1747742220 657745 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then there's the whole thing about how the language lets the programmer do floating-point arithmetic with the floating-point control bits changed. most code is compiled assuming that the control bits must be at the default as the ABI requires. so C introduced a new pragma for this, to say that a part of your code doesn't assume that. then in
< 1747742221 157505 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :code surrounded with such a pragma, you can change the control bits. that's the rounding mode, the bit for input operand denormals are zeros, the bit for output operand denormals are zeros, and the floating point exception mask. I personally don't care much about the last one, and the rounding modes are probably best handled by new built-in and
< 1747742221 657144 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :library functions that do operations with a certain rounding mode. but the two denormal flags are harder, you do often want to run a longer calculation with those enabled, and it would be inconvenient to write all code that works that way without some more convenient syntax than named library functions, but the code doing that still has a different
< 1747742222 156811 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ABI from normal so the pragma seems like the best solution. IIRC rust doesn't seem to have an equivalent of the pragma yet.
< 1747742294 407791 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and this can be tricky on the compiler and optimizer, because they suddenly have to know a lot specifically about the floating-point control flags, like what commutes with changing them because it does no floating-point operations etc.
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< 1747745974 850634 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:7c7a:13c0:eca4:c47b PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: basic scissors can be done in 5 instructions.
< 1747746007 877759 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's actually quite impressive
< 1747746083 993116 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : how does that even work? is it not UB only if the load or the conflicting store is done from code compiled with llvm as opposed to code compiled by something else and linked? ← it's not UB in general, it just reads an undefined value – all the hardware LLVM supports will return *some* value upon a racy read, even if it has no connection to reality, rather than (e.g.) crashing
< 1747746172 177635 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:7c7a:13c0:eca4:c47b PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's actually quite a good spread of strategies, and the settings are pretty good if you want to evolve a competitor using genetic algorithms.
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> 1747776104 580537 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Whyn14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158142 5* 03Buckets 5* (+900) 10Created page with "Whyn is an Esoteric programming language created by [[User:Buckets]] in 2021.  The Starting Direction is 45 Degrees Clockwise then Normal.  {| class="wikitable" |- ! Commands !! Instructions |- | R || Turn 90 Degrees Clockwise. |- | L || Turn 90 Degrees Anti-Clockwise. |- |
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< 1747792140 714066 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why is the computer often loud after a power outage for several hours, and then may be even more quiet than it seems to have been before that?
< 1747792633 529009 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :computers do run hotter after boot (meaning they need to run the fan for longer or faster to cool down) because the boot process is quite CPU-intensive, but that effect only lasts minutes not hours
< 1747792657 632218 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it could be that the computer has to do some sort of recovery process if it losers power, that it doesn't have to do on a normal boot, and that heats it up
> 1747792707 349800 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Smolder14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158171 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+5705) 10failed attempt at a burn-like which ended up being interesting on its own
< 1747792746 694914 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a display on my computer (that's permanently visible except when I'm running a program full-screen, or during screen lock or the boot/shutdown/login process) that shows CPU usage, free memory and swap, network download/upload usage and load average
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< 1747792773 504683 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that often gives me insight into what sort of thing the computer is doing (and lets me know what tool to open in an attempt to find out, if there's unexpected activity)
< 1747792780 977453 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( so much for "cold boot" :P )
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< 1747792802 510423 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, it was even while the computer was running normally. (Another thing that sometimes happens starting a few minutes after it boots, but not this time, is the cursor blinking stops working in some windows (while continuing to work in others), and then later starts working again.)
< 1747792869 542071 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :to me this sounds weird, and probably specific to your particular computer
< 1747792919 763094 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :some vibration noise can be temperature dependent because parts expand as they get warmer
< 1747792926 796569 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also have a permanently visible display (as long as X window system is running, unless the screen is off due to power saving) that displays memory usage, load average, current date/time, temperatures, and number of email messages, but I did not put network download/upload numbers on there.
< 1747793080 910501 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway. Weird. Assuming the first effect is real the second effect could be purely psychological though; you got used to a louder noise so when that disappears the remaining sound will feel more quiet than usual for a bit.
< 1747793161 622511 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I thought it might be psychological, although I am not in the room all the time. Possibly next time I could try to measure the noise (although I am not sure if I have a microphone, so I may have to look).
< 1747793259 597519 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, I do have a surge protector, in case that matters, and the room does tend to get a bit dusty (even though I had tried to clean the dust several times, both in the room and in the computer). Also, the CPU temperature before the power outage was normally around 26 Celsius and is now at 28 Celsius. The temperature measured on my desk is apparently 22 Celsius.
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< 1747794469 763521 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't have a permanently visible computer-internals-temperature display but I have one I can bring up if I want
< 1747794504 933262 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are a range of different temperatures, measured from different parts of the computer
< 1747794539 406105 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. the CPU is at about 40°C at the moment but the memory is at 23°C
< 1747794564 607772 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(is computer memory known for overheating? I'm a little surprised that it even has a temperature sensor)
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< 1747794780 619727 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a quick search suggests that this may happen if you set the voltage too high (possibly in connection with trying to overclock it)... or if it's defective
< 1747794787 127300 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so... not really
< 1747794925 4629 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been wondering about this for HBM... though I was more curious about the fate of a CPU buried under slices of RAM.
< 1747794950 618318 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(or GPU obviously)
< 1747795000 889270 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's possible that I've misunderstood how HBM is usually packaged. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:High_Bandwidth_Memory_schematic.svg suggests a side by side scheme that wouldn't make me worry so much ;)
< 1747795624 231159 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the RAM usually doesn't go on top of the CPU because you generally have to put a heatsink there
< 1747795858 791861 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had failed to connect HBM and the communication substrate/chiplet ideas.
< 1747795897 862989 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's still a strong suggestion there that RAM doesn't get very hot... if it did, stacking it would pose problems.
< 1747797410 428701 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh no, I misread that as failing to connect HBM and chiplets, and was wondering what sort of fancy integrated circuit things int-e was doing.
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< 1747802596 788498 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do not seem to have memory temperature on my computer; there is CPU and MB and the "temp1" of the "nouveau-pci-0100". There is also the hard drive temperature, but it is accessed separately.
< 1747802688 953970 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, it might be a drive temperature sensor and I just misread the label
< 1747802705 581255 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they aren't labeled very clearly
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> 1747862291 759415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quite BASIC14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158203 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+3068) 10esolang not made by me
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< 1747864526 21978 :gry!~gry@botters/gry PART #esolangs :Gone fishing.
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> 1747874485 118323 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pljic++!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158213&oldid=154648 5* 03Mmmph! 5* (+111) 10changed the default label value to 1 (because that actually makes more sense), pljic++ is now implemented
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> 1747878944 543642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Smolder14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158217 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+499) 10I've got no idea how to turn one number into any other. could someone try?
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> 1747915049 987688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Langage de programmation du cur14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158236 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1279) 10Created page with "{{WIP}} Langage de programmation du cur(Programming Language from Heart) is a language designed by PSTF.  Although the author is from China, this Esolang is written in French.  = Data types = In this Esolang, there are 6 types: 
 Le num
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> 1747918091 492045 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Ttulka 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Draten logo.png10]]"
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> 1747919240 778437 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Draten14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158239 5* 03Ttulka 5* (+3748) 10init Draten
> 1747919269 783184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Draten14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158240&oldid=158239 5* 03Ttulka 5* (-5) 10/* External resources */ fix text
> 1747919483 913138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ttulka14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158241&oldid=144220 5* 03Ttulka 5* (+565) 10add Draten
> 1747919568 225003 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158242&oldid=158208 5* 03Ttulka 5* (+13) 10/* D */ add Draten
> 1747919771 860275 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (D-G)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158243&oldid=157882 5* 03Ttulka 5* (+504) 10add Draten
> 1747919869 178558 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158244&oldid=158242 5* 03BliepMonster 5* (+14) 10https://github.com/BliepMonster/ALLCAPS made this yesterday. It errors when you insert a lowercase letter anywhere
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> 1747920788 613128 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ALLCAPS14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158245 5* 03BliepMonster 5* (+1712) 10ALLCAPS is awesome
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> 1747925550 51883 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:BliepMonster14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158246 5* 03BliepMonster 5* (+7) 10Created page with "ALLCAPS"
> 1747926100 110565 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158247&oldid=157982 5* 03BliepMonster 5* (-131) 10/* Java */ Am I missing something? Other languages don't have the input part.
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> 1747926782 828212 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Minpre14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158250 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+48) 10helper template
> 1747926866 956130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Minpre14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158251&oldid=158250 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-2) 10fix
> 1747926999 879247 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Minpre14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158252&oldid=158251 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+3) 10lazy workaround
> 1747927059 508343 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Minpre14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158253&oldid=158252 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+167) 10note
> 1747927108 353424 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Minpre14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158254&oldid=158253 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-216) 10never mind
> 1747927934 391646 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158255&oldid=151211 5* 03Qawtykit 5* (-20) 10joke commands are now allowed, becuase yeah
> 1747928245 119007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158256&oldid=158198 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+5414) 10add examples for each language
> 1747929060 758779 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/Self-equaling squares14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158257&oldid=157492 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+364) 10extending
> 1747929187 597775 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User programmed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158258&oldid=158235 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+2217) 10I is very confusing and I have surrendered for the first time. This doesnt look like the future will be fine
> 1747929230 266032 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158259&oldid=158255 5* 03Qawtykit 5* (+291) 10added two commands
< 1747929671 645469 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :MUSIC/SP has subroutines for a 1:1 mapping between EBDCDIC and "ASCII" (quotes because the mapping supports 256 characters. "Extended ASCII" I guess?). I'm not sure how though
< 1747929682 310714 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :But UTF-8 survives a roundtrip just fine
> 1747930112 380267 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nya~*kwrgsfish+-HQ9`:'"rbtAzxdi814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158260&oldid=158112 5* 03Qawtykit 5* (+337) 10added commad
> 1747931422 860639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158261&oldid=158249 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+57) 10
> 1747931460 118309 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158262&oldid=158261 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+0) 10
> 1747931474 523536 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158263&oldid=158262 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+0) 10
> 1747931800 355066 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Smolder14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158264&oldid=158197 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-8) 10
> 1747932553 914953 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158265&oldid=158256 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-5) 10/* my own esolangs */
> 1747934522 850427 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Transformation is complete14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158266&oldid=158134 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+529) 10
> 1747934825 348623 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Transformation is complete14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158267&oldid=158266 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+339) 10/* SKI calculus */
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> 1747935621 173407 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158270&oldid=158265 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+3) 10/* my own esolangs */
< 1747936396 810466 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it would be cool to make a Brainfuck3270 that... instead of standard input/output, somehow made use of the screen and forum based nature of 3270.
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< 1747936506 615044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wish Rust was available for MUSIC/SP
> 1747937694 666182 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158271&oldid=158270 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+13) 10/* ESOLANGS */
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> 1747938451 816549 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Akdrfsbathnede knem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158272&oldid=138715 5* 03Qawtykit 5* (+29) 10several minor changes
> 1747938553 28579 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ROTHELL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158273 5* 03JORE 5* (+2963) 10Created page with "= ROTHELL =  '''ROTHELL''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] designed to surpass [[Malbolge]] in difficulty. It employs a cryptographic instruction encoding scheme based on rotational character differences [https://rot13.com/ ROTx] with case-sensitive transformations
> 1747938682 201411 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Cannot easily used14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158274 5* 03JORE 5* (+137) 10Created page with "Esolangs which are extremely hard or almost impossible to programmed by humans, and often requiring brute-forces.  [[Category:Languages]]"
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> 1747939015 211432 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ROTHELL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158278&oldid=158277 5* 03JORE 5* (+159) 10
> 1747939055 218807 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Akdrfsbathnede knem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158279&oldid=158272 5* 03Qawtykit 5* (+159) 10added example and another minor change
> 1747939333 759005 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Flow Uncontrolled14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158280&oldid=140600 5* 03Qawtykit 5* (+4) 10whitespace
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> 1747939419 792643 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User programmed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158282&oldid=158258 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+208) 10/* Programs */ [[Kolakoski sequence]] :)
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> 1747939666 140288 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Flow Uncontrolled14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158283&oldid=158281 5* 03Qawtykit 5* (+40) 10fixed the 99 bottles
> 1747939978 346223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Flow Uncontrolled14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158284&oldid=158283 5* 03Qawtykit 5* (-1) 10
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> 1747940168 561515 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck3D14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158285 5* 03JORE 5* (+1587) 10Created page with "== Brainfuck 3D == Brainfuck 3D is a esolang where programs are designed to work in 3D. This means you need to program multiple layers in order to use 3D commands. Every layer is a block of code where 2D commands allowed.  === Basic Brainfuck Instructions === {| class=
> 1747940190 848919 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck 3D14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158286 5* 03JORE 5* (+1587) 10Created page with "== Brainfuck 3D == Brainfuck 3D is a esolang where programs are designed to work in 3D. This means you need to program multiple layers in order to use 3D commands. Every layer is a block of code where 2D commands allowed.  === Basic Brainfuck Instructions === {| class
> 1747940257 891269 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck 3D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158287&oldid=158286 5* 03JORE 5* (+234) 10
> 1747940880 864007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck3D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158288&oldid=158285 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-1561) 10redirect?
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> 1747941001 159342 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category talk:Cannot easily used14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158289 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+328) 10Created page with "isn't this just [[:Category:Turing tarpits]]? ~~~~"
> 1747941028 309584 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category talk:Cannot easily used14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158290&oldid=158289 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-328) 10Blanked the page
> 1747943268 185623 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User programmed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158291&oldid=158282 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+364) 10
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> 1747943814 213262 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158293&oldid=158191 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+326) 10
> 1747944488 257637 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ALLCAPS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158294&oldid=158245 5* 03BliepMonster 5* (-65) 10W HOOPS
> 1747944518 738278 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ALLCAPS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158295&oldid=158294 5* 03BliepMonster 5* (-2) 10
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> 1747947330 601553 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:4714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158297&oldid=158232 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-8) 10removed one spelling fix
> 1747947523 62555 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Pljic++!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158298 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+285) 10Created page with "To share, you either have to: :1. Put it in GitHub Gist/Pastebin or :2. Put the source of the interpreter in the page ~~~"
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> 1747949860 969246 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158299&oldid=158244 5* 03Buckets 5* (+10) 10
> 1747949898 860346 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Buckets14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158300&oldid=158209 5* 03Buckets 5* (+9) 10
> 1747949942 121990 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Weg14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158301 5* 03Buckets 5* (+433) 10Created page with "Weg is an Esoteric programming language created by [[User:Buckets]] in 2020. {| class="wikitable" |- ! Command !! Instruction |- | A || Given Context, this command will choose between all Commands of brainfuck. |} "Hello, World!" Program:  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
> 1747951753 899971 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Boltzmann brainfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158302 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+703) 10Created page with "occam's razor states that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. what if, instead of a pointer being controlled by a line of complex instructions going down an infinite line of cells, its just one pointer hallucinating getting instructions 
> 1747952001 951495 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User programmed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158303&oldid=158292 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+187) 10
> 1747959390 74588 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quite BASIC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158304&oldid=158205 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+9311) 10
> 1747959659 920171 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Markov algorithm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158305&oldid=156494 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+437) 10added explanation of mass
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> 1747961168 242656 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Negative Acknowledgement14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158306 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+1477) 10Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=}}  is a language designed to be uninterpretable. If any interpreter is found, it will change its own Esolangs.org page within a ~231 years, unless a specific computer in an underground bunker in the Pacific ocean running Windows
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> 1747968633 573210 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Negative Acknowledgement14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158307 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+306) 10Created page with "what about compilation? ~~~~"
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> 1747977000 711293 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Category:Cannot easily used10]]": unapproved/undiscussed category; this can probably be handled by see-alsos for the time being, and even if it turns out to be a good idea, the name is wrong
> 1747977000 730532 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Category talk:Cannot easily used10]]": Deleted together with the associated page with reason: unapproved/undiscussed category; this can probably be handled by see-alsos for the time being, and even if it turns out to be a good idea, the name is wrong
> 1747977099 635746 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Boltzmann brainfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158309 5* 03Ais523 5* (+225) 10a duplicate?
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< 1747978882 732058 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does any browser display a visual representation of the hash of the server certificate?
< 1747979072 404512 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had mentioned before, the cardinal arithmetic of categories, and I think someone mentioned ordinal arithmetic. Can ordinal arithmetic of categories be defined? I don't know.
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< 1747985209 98999 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
< 1747987473 816821 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: ooh, with some optimized deterministic from seed image generators, with the user's choice between different styles such as anime girls, luxury cars, natural landscape Iceland, natural landscape South America, etc
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< 1748002979 409494 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a problem that came up in some code that I was writing and I'm still thinking about it: is there a list implementation that supports efficient clone, uncons and append (i.e. concatenation of two lists)?
< 1748002990 651924 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can easily do two out of three, but all three at once is proving difficult
< 1748003019 560677 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :("efficient clone" is most obviously implemented by making the lists immutable and refcounted, but that makes the other two properties hard to satisfy)
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< 1748003048 797568 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't need any other operations other than writing list literals and iterating over the lists (which can be done by cloning them and then calling uncons repeatedly)
< 1748003112 496293 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: don't some of the balanced trees do that? red-black trees or AVL trees if you want log time, or finger trees if you want amortized constant time
< 1748003143 709482 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/red-black trees or AVL trees/red-black trees or 2-3 trees or AVL trees/
< 1748003150 455678 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :including clone? I haven't heard of finger trees, I'll check then
< 1748003168 275024 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you were trying to write a library for the 2-3 trees, weren't you?
< 1748003174 325958 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :finger trees look really promising, actually
< 1748003179 943891 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: yes, a long time ago
< 1748003182 123903 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't ever finish it
< 1748003243 628582 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: in all these cases, you make all the nodes immutable, as described in Chris Okasaki's book, you copy nodes instead of editing their links in place when you modify the trees, and this means to clone you can just copy a reference to the root node or similar
< 1748003339 996364 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right – it was hard to prevent the memory usage going quadratic with the things I was trying
< 1748003349 175328 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :finger trees are a variant of 2-3 trees that's more difficult to implement, but in exchange inserting or removing an element from either end can be done in amortized constant time instead of just logarithmic time. the Haskell standard library has a type Seq which implements this, giving a list with the properties that you're asking for, at least if
< 1748003349 675440 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I understand what you need correctly
< 1748003356 536192 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and O(log n) probably isn't a disaster but I've become exceptionally perfectionist recently
> 1748003365 44697 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158317&oldid=158212 5* 03None1 5* (-916) 10The rotated comment covers content
< 1748003470 945763 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is something of a weird case because most of the time, these lists are going to be quite small but could theoretically be large, so a theoretically perfect solution would probably start with a naive quadratic algorithm and switch to something more asymptotically efficient (but with worse constant factors) if the lists got larger
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< 1748003572 64866 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but just knowing it's possible helps a lot because I don't have to worry about making sure the algorithm is possible to make efficient any more, I can write the algorithm and optimise it later
< 1748003609 329555 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: if they're usually small then you can store multiple logical nodes together in a memory node, like the lower few levels of a B-tree.
< 1748003639 507866 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're usually small but I have lots of clones with only minor differences
< 1748003657 183096 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which makes condensing them into arrays hard
< 1748003659 695420 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, then you may have to benchmark what the right node size is
< 1748003704 747259 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, abcd and abce and abcde might all coexist, and ideally the "abc" part of that would be shared to stop memory use going quadratic
< 1748003751 648501 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the algorithm I use this for is basically operating on stacks, and it usually pushes and pops onto one end of them, but a) it needs a history of all the previous stack states and b) occasionally one stack gets concatenated to another
< 1748003934 543712 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :since we're here I also have a data structure question. I want a key-value dictionary (rather than a sequence that keeps its order). I want it as a database on disk in which I can look up and update quickly. so far I could use a balanced tree or hash. but I'd also like a guarantee that if someone examines the data on disk they can derive no
< 1748003935 43460 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :information about the order in which the keys were inserted or anything else about the history (the "no information" can be in the cryptographic sense where it's like 2**-128 bits of information). I know how I can do this with a treap, and I heard legends that there are hash tables (called "commutative) that can do this too though I don't know how.
< 1748003935 543800 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But here I'm more interested if there's any existing software implementation that can do this and that I can use, especially one that doesn't require an expensive license.
< 1748004021 140419 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :... . you want this to implement an esoteric programming language that has something more general and crazier than unlambda's call-cc?
< 1748004078 386628 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually no (I do have plans for such a language but this isn't part of it)
< 1748004161 409776 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm trying to work on an algorithm to convert NPDAs into DPDAs, which is impossible in general but possible in most practically useful cases
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< 1748004338 631781 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it works by trying to simulate all the possible states of the NPDA stack in parallel, and checking to see whether there's been a combinatorial explosion or not – so I have a lot of very similar stacks that all need to be stored at once
> 1748004487 391104 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ampell14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158322&oldid=158321 5* 03Elphan 5* (+228) 10/* Description */
< 1748004492 847574 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, that might be interesting. we were talking some weeks ago about how to implement mutex locking in multi-threaded brainfuck. so I later had an idea, but I can't tell if it's right, so I was thinking that I should implement a verifying program that generates all the possible states of the system (two processors plus shared memory cells) and does
< 1748004493 347729 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :graph traversals on them to prove the properties that I want. the problem is, even if I write the program I wouldn't be confident that I'm checking the right thing, but it still helps. now this sort of locking would be much easier if you could just use nondeterminism (I think that may be kind of how transactional memory works), and if you could
< 1748004493 847575 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :eliminate the nondeterminism automatically then maybe you could automatically generate correct locking algorithms in an ordinary deterministic model.
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> 1748005684 365211 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158327&oldid=158299 5* 03Elphan 5* (+13) 10/* A */
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> 1748007357 595508 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07XVector14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158331&oldid=157941 5* 03Ais523 5* (+3378) 10computational class (it's equivalent to a 1-counter machine, which doesn't have a category)
> 1748007434 329505 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ampell14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158332&oldid=158330 5* 03Elphan 5* (+34) 10/* Prints "hi" how many times you want */
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> 1748007694 290561 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158334&oldid=158323 5* 03Ais523 5* (+981) 10/* Can you prove computatioal class for esolang xVector? */ it's a one-counter machine
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> 1748008547 96608 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ampell14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158337&oldid=158336 5* 03Elphan 5* (-173) 10/* Description */
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> 1748012584 486115 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FLOORPLAN14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158340 5* 03B jonas 5* (+628) 10Created page with "'''FLOORPLAN''' is an esoteric programming language.  == External link ==  * Peter Hebden, Anna Williams, Sofia Wolf, `FLOORPLAN`: The language of the future. [https://sigbovik.org/2025/proceedings.pdf (2024-04-04) ed. the Association for Computational Heresy, *a recor
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< 1748014778 540615 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :SIGBOVIK 2025 p. 293 says that the name of their system is the character \u200D, but it also says that it's "named after the symbol used for function application", and I think the symbol they mean there is \u2061. Why would they give the former name if it's named after the latter? Weird.
< 1748014899 943558 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fortunately it's esoteric but not a language so I probably don't need to create a page for it on the esowiki and so don't have to decide what its name is.
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> 1748016218 108086 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User programmed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158347&oldid=158346 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+24) 10adding a category
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< 1748020185 130618 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unicode 206D
< 1748020187 554101 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​
< 1748020195 864900 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know what I expected
< 1748020223 792975 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently it is ACTIVATE ARABIC FORM SHAPING
< 1748020246 618077 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and 200D is ZERO WIDTH JOINER, which is also useful for Arabic I think
< 1748020247 13072 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` unidecode $(printf '\u206D')
< 1748020249 624580 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+206D ACTIVATE ARABIC FORM SHAPING]
< 1748020278 686282 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` unidecode $(printf '\u2061')
< 1748020279 969109 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+2061 FUNCTION APPLICATION]
< 1748020284 725293 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` unidecode $(printf '\u200D')
< 1748020287 33551 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+200D ZERO WIDTH JOINER]
< 1748020398 281841 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, we have invisible function application, invisible plus, invisible times, invisible comma
< 1748020412 500858 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but no invisible function *composition*
< 1748020457 135003 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I'm wondering if it's even possible to write gf(x) to mean g(f(x)) – I think I've seen that notation somewhere but I can't remember where
< 1748020467 490907 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but of course invisible composition happens all the time in concatenative langauges
< 1748020644 918959 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been pondering how to implement finger trees in Rust – the type system gymnastics used to make them work are beyond even Haskell unless you turn on some extensions, so the whole "make invalid states unrepresentable" thing could be quite difficult
< 1748020705 715118 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suspect the most efficient solution uses weak typing (i.e. non-disjoint unions), with functions given arguments to tell them what type they're supposed to be acting on and they interpret memory as that type
< 1748020721 688347 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: soryr, I meant \u2061 and \u200D
< 1748020732 319661 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, where does 206D come from?
< 1748020760 274864 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :me mixing up the two characters I think
< 1748020771 587803 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I either misread your comment, or miscopied the codepoints into IRC
< 1748020820 404607 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: the one I'm missing is two different characters for invisible function composition depending on whether the function is on the left or right of its argument, but you can argue that the function can be on the right only if it's linear and then it's just an invisible multiplication
< 1748020846 724878 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which meaning of "linear" is this?
< 1748020853 897565 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: there's always LTR and RTL ;-)
< 1748020877 577840 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Just a reminder that Unicode is a horrific mess.)
< 1748020888 129786 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh right! so I discovered that Arabic numerals were originally the correct way round (i.e. little-endian) – the least significant digit was on the right, but Arabic is a right-to-left language
< 1748020907 632729 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :however, when they started being used in left-to-right languages, the order of the digits wasn't reversed to compensate for the different writing direction
< 1748020917 674725 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's how we ended up with our numbers the wrong way round
< 1748020935 819821 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: the one where the function is a monoid homomorphism from a monoid to another monoid (usually a group) with the monoid operation is written as multiplication (rather than addition)
< 1748020962 760719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: well there's also the roman numerals which put the higher-valued ones first
< 1748020984 590118 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"first" - to the left
< 1748020986 258340 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a special case could be a linear function mapping a (horizontal) vector to another (horizontal) vector in two vector spaces
< 1748020996 517932 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And what about the Babylonians? I don't even know.
< 1748021009 385145 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: is this the same notation which writes the operation that produces a function type from a return type and argument type as exponentiation?
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< 1748021097 227740 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a few years of codegolf convinced me that little-endianness is correct, about the only time big-endian notations saved bytes was when solving challenges that were based on the way humans write numbers
< 1748021146 6161 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so now I have some likely-unknown person in medieval times to be annoyed at for messing up today's computer science
< 1748021165 998830 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :big endian is nice for parsing numbers; little endian is nice for printing numbers
< 1748021172 653846 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: re digit order, I don't know for sure but I suspect that's because al-Khwarizmi, who popularized decimal positional number system to use for arithmetic, didn't write the numbers inline in text, but as tables in displayed figures, so they didn't look like they're supposed to be words in rtl or ltr text
< 1748021177 840460 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and for arithmetic without base conversion
< 1748021222 83512 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> foldl (\x y -> x*10 + y) 0 [1,2,3]
< 1748021223 342078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 123
< 1748021252 911444 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, parsing is slightly more elegant big-endian
< 1748021331 753989 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wow, those FLOORPLAN authors are at the university I worked at for years
< 1748021357 865813 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: no, there are three different orders: function on the left is what everyone but algebraists write (though algebraists can also write it), function on the right (algebraists use it when the function is linear), and function in the right superscript (when the function need not be linear)
< 1748021372 847945 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also my description about what linear means above is specifically incorrect
< 1748021383 280102 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :let me try again
< 1748021523 274708 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I wonder if there is a name for matrices where every row and column contains one 1 (multiplicative identity) and the other elements are 0 (additive identity)? those would be linear in two senses at once
< 1748021653 534762 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so a linear unary function from a vector space to another vector space is a function f such that for any scalars α,β and vectors x,y, f(αx+βy) = αf(x)+βf(y). when a function is like that, an algebraist could write the function call f(x) as fx if they think of x as column vectors, or as xf if they think of x as a row vector. (row and column could be swapped depending on conventions, linear algebra 
< 1748021659 768819 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :has like five boolean dimensions of arbitrary notation conventions). if both vector spaces are finite dimensional then f can be imagined as a matrix and the function call is a matrix multiplication. 
< 1748021850 441607 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :algebraists can be more relaxed with this and generalize to other situations than just a linear function from a vector space to another.
< 1748021895 940829 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, to me there seems to be a rule that if the function goes to the right of the argument, its name has to be a capital letter
< 1748022230 101871 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now a group homomorphism is a mapping f from a multiplicative group to another such that f(x)f(y)=f(xy). an algebraist can write such a function as a right superscript (exponent), as in instead of f(x) they write x↑f. the origin of this is that if you consider a conjugation with a group element c, defined as f(x)=c⁻¹xc then they write this as a superscript f(x) = x↑c. any conjugation is also a 
< 1748022236 102131 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :group homomorphism because (x↑c)(y↑c) = (c⁻¹xc)(c⁻¹yc) = c⁻¹xyc = (xy)↑c, and that's the same identity that exponentiation to a fixed integer power holds, and exponentiation was already written as a right supersript.
< 1748022314 550946 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if there's a function that's none of these then an algebraist tries to pick whichever of f(x), fx, xf, x↑f makes the most sense, or might even use other less common notations
< 1748022389 434618 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like there's right superscript or right subscript for indexing a tensor or any sequence in general
< 1748022407 480966 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and notation can get wilder when a function has multiple arguments
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< 1748022948 86702 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw, there are quite a few practical advantages to writing the argument first when doing a function call
< 1748022964 881517 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and lots of languges do object.method().method().method() partly because of that
> 1748023047 604261 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158350&oldid=158317 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+776) 10adding back the messages but removing the rotation transform
< 1748023066 545855 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is |> a builtin in Ocaml? I think it is but am not totally sure
< 1748023103 577505 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's like $ in Haskell but the argument comes before the function, and the associativity makes it chain properly, just like $ does)
< 1748023594 190418 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Many programming languages already have RPN that you have to write the arguments before the function calls, although that is usually using the stack, which is not quite the same as a argument list.
< 1748023628 749504 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also believe that Unicode is a mess, but you can do something about it e.g. make a program that does not expect you to use Unicode.
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< 1748023982 445072 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :And, roman numbers have a negative position as well.
< 1748024004 326087 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so anyway, literate programming has this thing where the same source code is both interpreted as a traditional programming language source code and printed documentation, but there are a few special transformations during the transformation, like some word are automatically written in bold or italic, and some two-character punctuation is formatted as a specific character. Eg. in C >= means greater 
< 1748024010 334263 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :equal, and in literate C it is formatted as ≥ ; and in Haskell ++ means list concatenation, and it's formatted as two plus signs overlapping horizontally with their vertical lines close to each other and the horizontal line incident. 
> 1748024392 555805 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:RobinsAviary14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158351 5* 03RobinsAviary 5* (+125) 10Created page with "Hi! I'm Robin from Robin's Aviary!  I'm a programmer who is interested in making interpreters for various different esolangs."
> 1748024412 621771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:RobinsAviary14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158352&oldid=158351 5* 03RobinsAviary 5* (+13) 10
< 1748024494 355934 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fun fact: |> is used in GoogleSQL's somewhat recently introduced "pipe query syntax", which allows writing some otherwise quite unwieldy, nested-subquery-heavy SQL queries in a more "flat" form: https://cloud.google.com/bigquery/docs/reference/standard-sql/pipe-syntax
< 1748024512 286941 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :For example, you could write `SELECT f(z) AS z, SUM(y) AS y FROM (SELECT z, SUM(w) AS w FROM foo GROUP BY z) WHERE f(z) > 0 GROUP BY z` as `FROM foo |> AGGREGATE SUM(w) AS w GROUP BY z |> EXTEND f(z) AS fz |> WHERE fz > 0 |> AGGREGATE SUM(y) AS y GROUP BY fz AS z`.
< 1748024552 169792 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Probably not the best example, but in practice for some actual queries that I can't share I've found it to be easier to follow.)
< 1748024553 74099 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I assume that EXTEND thing is part of the new syntax? I don't remember seeing it in SQL before
< 1748024603 602589 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then Wolfram Mathematica decided to embrace this feature of literate programming and decided to take it further, allowing the programmer to write code that serves both as executable code and formatted as the sort of traditional mathematical notation that mathematicians are used to from traditional typography. so they added conveneitn ways to enter superscripts, subscripts, barred fractions, and 
< 1748024609 608354 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :surrounding square root signs, and stacked binomial coeff notation, and matrix writte as a 2d array of coefficients. And it also added lots of characters that mathematicians may use, like greek letters and ≥ and × but also four invisible infix operators. And I think that's why those four invisible characters are encoded in unicode.
< 1748024680 796639 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, `EXTEND` basically adds extra columns to the conceptual result table. It's pretty much the same as `SELECT` except it implicitly selects all the existing columns too.
< 1748024693 350207 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: didn't WITH syntax already existed for that in SQL?
< 1748024717 831873 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe I don't understand what those SQL expressions that you gave as example mean
< 1748024749 6313 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the order in which you have to write things in standard SQL is weird
< 1748024772 535066 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think many people have observed that it would make more sense to put the columns being selected at the end and the table at the start
< 1748024773 610793 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`WITH` defines named temporary tables. I guess it does have some similarity, in that you can also use it to avoid deeply nested subqueries.
< 1748024777 452597 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :WITH`? No such file or directory
< 1748024838 972140 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :WITH can also be used for recursive queries
< 1748024907 550378 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` hg cat -r 12479 /hackenv/wisdom/password # this was the point when I kind of gave up about SQL syntax
< 1748024911 657507 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The password of the month is OFFSET 0 ROW FETCH NEXT 50 ROW ONLY.
< 1748025022 479464 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the semantics of SQL mostly make sense so I like that, but the syntax is terrible. of course I also think that about C+= and Rust to some extent.
< 1748025071 237700 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did have a number of queries that had the form of `WITH foo AS (SELECT ... FROM original_source ...), bar AS (SELECT ... FROM foo ...), baz AS (SELECT ... FROM bar ...) SELECT ... FROM baz ...`, but the pipe syntax removes the need to even give names for all the intermediate steps, for that sort of linear sequence of consecutive operations.
< 1748025085 522352 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw I actually prefer Rust's syntax to its semantics
< 1748025132 993451 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am planning to write a very long article at some point as to why &mut is a misfeature (which sounds like a crazy statement, so I both need to back it up and present a viable alternative)
< 1748025221 86585 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What does &mut mean in Rust?
< 1748025288 461540 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is an exclusive reference: it's like a pointer to some memory but a) it's never null, b) it always contains a value of a particular type (and is statically checked to always contain a bit pattern that is valid for that type), and c) there's a compile-time-checked guarantee that nothing else will read or write the memory it points to until the reference ends
< 1748025324 146907 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and of Haskell too
< 1748025338 425977 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I see
< 1748025356 873972 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…and now I'm wondering how you forcibly end an &mut in Rust – for almost anything you can specify when the lifetime ends with mem::drop but that doesn't work for &mut for… reasons
< 1748025384 831658 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's the only non-Copy type for which that is true
< 1748025551 190922 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the compiler is very good at inferring where it's supposed to end, though, so there is rarely a reason to end it manually)
< 1748025560 674437 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(There are probably other misfeatures in Rust as well; I think the main string type using Unicode is a misfeature in many programming languages, and I also once saw someone claiming that the fact that the string must be validated is a misfeature. I think there are probably others as well. C also has misfeatures, including some syntax misfeatures like I mentioned before.)
< 1748025619 192648 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that the compiler should not always have to guess, and that specifying things manually would probably be helpful anyways
< 1748025621 737942 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you write that then I'll certainly want to read it
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< 1748025767 724632 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :From what I understand of Rust (which is not much), such kind of exclusive references like that may be necessary to work with the general working of Rust, although that might itself be a problem, anyways, since maybe it is badly designed in general.
< 1748025928 520470 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fun optimization story from #c the other day. Someone had a piece of code along the lines of (streamlining a little here) `struct foo { short x, y; }; bool f(struct foo *p) { return p->x == -1 && p->y == -1 }`, and it turned out Clang creates better code for it when the parameter declaration is changed to `bool f(struct foo p[static 1]) { ... }`. Presumably because for the first one, it has to
< 1748025930 774019 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :account for the scenario where `p->x` is a valid memory reference but `p->y` isn't, so the short-circuiting semantics of && become load-bearing, while `[static 1]` guarantees that an entire full `struct foo` object is accessible through the pointer.
< 1748026024 193400 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I do like the approach of "a string is at the language level a list of codepoints, and the application can choose what the codepoints mean" – Perl does that, and allows the codepoints to go up to 2³¹
< 1748026048 206748 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The generated code with the [static 1] parameter was also the moral equivalent of `(p->x & p->y) == -1`, which was kind of fun.)
< 1748026062 753355 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: apparently Rust has struggled with that sort of example in the past
< 1748026124 933089 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I read a blog post reading about how == on a struct with two fields didn't get optimised into one comparison at the time – then I tried it on a more recent version of Rust and it did
< 1748026132 953511 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I wonder if it's putting in a [static 1] equivalent
< 1748026177 236910 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I think that if you do that, then it should be useful to have a string type for 8-bit characters (which should probably the usual one) as well as one for 32-bit characters, and possibly also 1-bit characters is sometimes useful.
< 1748026245 127940 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Even in a string of 8-bit characters, you can have multi-byte characters and separate functions for dealing with them; for many uses this is probably the useful way to do it anyways, although there are also circumstances where having a type for a string of 32-bit characters is more useful.)
< 1748026260 174826 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :processors have similar short-circuiting issues, e.g. the "loop" opcode is very slow on modern processors because it a) has to handle the case of the branch target being paged out, and b) has to handle the case of the branch target being paged out on the last loop iteration
< 1748026293 933766 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which can lead to an awkward case where cx gets decremented and then you have a page fault in the middle of the instruction
< 1748026294 589424 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: oh wow. so if I define such a structure I should declare it alignas(4) which guarantees that if x can be read then y can be read as well?
< 1748026340 933995 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :modern processors would much prefer you to write dec cx; jnz label – because then they can handle the case of a page fault by just leaving the IP in between the two instructions
< 1748026370 12683 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's parsed as a single instruction by the front end – the long encoding is just there to allow the IP to be left in the middle)
< 1748026370 615841 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I think that could also depend on the known alignment of the struct
< 1748026393 541153 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I don't know whether or not compilers optimise based on "if any address on a cache line is readable, then the entire cache line is readable"
< 1748026413 119903 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I think an alignment-based argument could also make it safe, although I was unable to convince Clang to make use of it.
< 1748026418 427728 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: it's circular too (I like to use the word co-evolution): since basically nobody uses the `loop` instruction anymore there's no incentive to deal with the complication you mentioned efficiently in the processor.
< 1748026422 790292 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in particular, I don't know of an architectural guarantee that cache lines won't be smaller in the future
< 1748026442 266988 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If pages with memory access permissions are required to be aligned (and the compiler knows this), then I should expect that specifying required alignment should be allowed to work?
< 1748026446 452794 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which means that it could technically be incorrect to assume that
< 1748026453 488180 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Human-written code certainly does make that assumption sometimes.
< 1748026477 674802 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Specifically, string function implementations that read past the '\0' when they know they're working on aligned data.
< 1748026478 966283 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there is a practical requirement to keep cache lines at at least 64 bytes, it would break a lot of code to make them smaller
< 1748026506 225924 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: this would be an architecture-dependent optimization, but that's fine because it's also architecture-dependent if you want to optimize to a single 32-bit comparison 
< 1748026533 765927 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: right, the question is as to what future processors may be the same architecture but have different caching mechanisms
< 1748026557 172261 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and obviously you should declare the type that way only if you relaly can guarantee that it's aligned, you can't slap it onto an existing type because that can break ABI-compatibility 
< 1748026577 106066 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is LOOP opcode sometimes used for stuff other than loops? (I had made VM codes that have a LOOP opcode and then often use it for stuff other than loops)
< 1748026579 273067 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are lots of examples of this sort of thing, e.g. is a processor that returns 0 for bsr on 0 a valid x86-64 processor?
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< 1748026606 654566 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: thanks btw, I had not considered the fact that there's no point between decrementing the loop counter and the conditional jump to be a complication.
< 1748026618 280805 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the Intel manual says it's undefined but Intel processors return the value that was in the output register beforehand, and AMD processors document it as returning the value that was in the output register beforehand)
< 1748026664 993036 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: it could be, but nowadays it's rarely used for anything but codegolfing because it's so slow
< 1748026673 406229 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :compared to dec+jnz
< 1748026714 78417 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I do not see that it is *necessarily* a costly complication; among all the other speculation and instruction reordering it feels like a pretty small thing. But add the fact that nobody uses the instruction and it makes sense that you punt on dealing with it.
< 1748026739 290275 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(efficiently)
< 1748026896 58622 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :FWIW, I didn't get Clang to make it a 32-bit comparison even with [static 1]. It removed the branching needed to avoid evaluating the other half, but even so still read the data as two 16-bit words. It also generated worse code for comparing "arbitrary" values than the all-bits-one ones. Here's an illustration: https://gcc.godbolt.org/z/P55zWqrnj
< 1748026972 824452 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Also tried slapping an `__attribute__ ((aligned (4)))` on it, but that did nothing.)
< 1748027035 47257 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: x86 in the broader sense does NOT guarantee that, because in 32-bit protected mode data segments that are less than 2**20 bytes long can have any length at byte precision. but x86-64 user mode guarantees trivial segmentation, so in x86-64 if part of any page (in the processor sense, not the operating system sense) is readable then the whole page is readable, and pages are 2**12 bytes or a 
< 1748027041 51996 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :multiple. an I/O device can break this but in C or rust you'd have to use a volatile read for those.
< 1748027108 277002 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Funny though... this week I rewrote an inner loop in assembly and it made it 2x faster. It was... unexpected. https://paste.debian.net/1376253/ (target is a Haswell processor)
< 1748027237 453155 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: it's surprising to see how much more the compilers spilled than you
< 1748027246 336024 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I thought so too
> 1748027329 644343 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158353&oldid=126966 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+904) 10Introduced an examples section comprehending as its two incipial members a repeating cat program and a Hello, World! printer.
< 1748027355 43916 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one other weirdness is that the "lucky" g++ version appears to have multiple different targets to jump to from the loop, and the others have a single exit point
< 1748027363 502489 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I'm never quite sure when x86 uses sign-extend versus zero-extend, but I think in your example code f2 which compares to -1 can use the shorter instruction encoding that has a one byte long immediate -1 in the instruction and sign-extends that to a short, and you can't do that when comparing to arbitrary
> 1748027388 678165 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158354&oldid=158353 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+612) 10Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Brainfuck programming language on GitHub and supplemented the Implemented category tag.
< 1748027393 629456 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I actually took it one step further too, unrolling the loop one more time, which doesn't help on haswell but I did find a processor that executes the resulting loop in 3.5 cycles per iteration (EPYC Rome).
< 1748027444 683945 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, the -1 case also ands the two halves of the struct together and performs just one comparison, that only works in the all-bits-one case of -1.
< 1748027462 446159 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: In the end I test each byte of the vector comparison individually. The "lucky" version omitted the bulk zero test and just does those individual ones.
< 1748027465 191948 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: true
< 1748027517 5531 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(each byte corresponds to one of the 8 byte values in the YMM register)
< 1748027587 298659 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: That's actually why I even looked at the assembly code... I /knew/ the value would be 0 almost all the time, so I did  if (!mask) continue; before testing the individual bytes. But for g++ that made the code slower and I had no idea why.
< 1748027608 634659 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: ah, I see, you are over-reading
< 1748027610 382100 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :value = resulting mask from the comparison
< 1748027622 640907 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in this case it shouldn't matter because you are over-reading from a set of integer registers
< 1748027628 279858 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it may be hard for compilers to figure that out
< 1748027657 224451 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yeah, anything like strcmp/strscn/strlen that you implement with vpmovmskb is exaclty a kind of code where I would expect that writing it in assembly (or calling a lower level library function implemented in hand-written assembly) will help
< 1748027716 213790 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess this is more like strnscn
< 1748027719 337849 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: anyway, I /tried/ to help the compilers by writing the exact inner loop I wanted but they still spilled the register contents all over the place.
< 1748027727 93716 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or strcscn or whatever it's called
< 1748027728 553178 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I eventually ended up finding a better algorithm, but for a while a program I was writing had a branch that was only 1 in 4 billion to be taken (it required an effectively random 32-bit number to have a particular value), and yet it had to be there for correctness
< 1748027745 978417 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Conclusion: Compilers still are kind of stupid, and *sometimes* it can really hurt.
< 1748027751 833041 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I thought "I should probably put an unlikely annotation on this, once those get stabilised in Rust)
< 1748027755 834918 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, neither
< 1748027778 932870 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it would have mattered because the check was short-circuitable but it looked unpredictable to LLVM, so it didn't try to short-circuit)
< 1748027993 917202 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: over-reading... vpmovmskb wants a 64 bit destination argument, and I wanted to let the compiler assign the register. I don't know whether there's a magic incantation to get %eax from %rax, nor whether that would make any difference
< 1748028106 726433 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway. It's atypical code, and when I wrote the inline assembly I was hoping for maybe 20% faster code, not 2x faster. :-)
< 1748028143 437512 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I had not actually computed cycle counts at that point, just observed a very high variance in runtime from different compiler outputs.)
< 1748028205 717541 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :May I add that from a 90's person perspective the idea of executing 9 instructions in 2 cycles is insane. :-)
< 1748028265 133555 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Thing King! https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Paging
< 1748028268 858667 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am easily amused
< 1748028371 558177 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: true
< 1748028543 993460 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: So they implemented this in a Thing King Machine?
< 1748028592 280089 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : I don't know whether there's a magic incantation to get %eax from %rax, nor whether that would make any difference ← gcc has one of those for inline asm and I think Rust does too
< 1748028593 689441 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: doesn't calling a #[cold] function work as an unlikeliness annotation? (or raising a panic, but that's probably not appropriate in your case.)
< 1748028594 103618 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The timing doesn't quite work out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking_Machines_Corporation was founded in 1983)
< 1748028624 257440 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: probably, but it also has other side effects
< 1748028643 693303 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1748028691 645021 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :likely/unlikely/cold_path seem fairly close to stablisation, I think the main concerns were based around whether all three functions were needed and what exactly the semantics were
< 1748028716 660335 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure how much discussion there was of whether an unpredictable was needed
< 1748028784 980342 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1748029278 352630 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in general, though, compilers are very bad at vectorising things that are even slightly nontrivial and I'm not completely sure why
< 1748029316 712470 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have plans to go the other way – a language in which you can *only* write code that vectorises well, and a compiler for it that gives guaranteed efficient vectorisation
< 1748029490 833572 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yeah, I was thinking of something like that, a low-level array programming language
< 1748029522 274951 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though that still leaves lots of choices open so I may be thinking of something very different from you
< 1748029528 892399 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, I realised after a while that I was supposed to give it APLish semantics where the program is written as though it's a linear sequence of operations on arrays
< 1748029546 352653 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :even though it optimises into a fused loop
< 1748029554 151507 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Ah. The keyword is "operand modifier". The particular incantation is that "%k0" gives you %eax when %0 is rax. Or "%h0" gives you %rax from %eax though I guess that's theoretically dangerous.
< 1748029592 766101 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: writing to %eax zeroes the rest of %rax, so the theoretical danger could be avoided by setting the high part to 0 when you're done
< 1748029623 973993 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :processor designers seemed to have realised that "writing to the low part of a register zeroes the high part" gradually
< 1748029642 711591 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*that "…" is more efficient
< 1748029683 684985 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, something that confuses me – writing to an xmm register with SSE instructions leaves the high part of the corresponding ymm alone, whereas writing to it with AVX instructions zeroes the rest of the ymm
< 1748029709 248387 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but AVX and ymm were introduced at the same time, weren't they? so why even bother to give the older commands slow behaviour when mixed with the newer ones?
< 1748029713 259211 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, testing just %eax makes no difference to the runtime here
< 1748029736 331765 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I didn't expect any)
< 1748029759 82713 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hacks like vzeroupper were introduced to paper over the mess, but there are still a number of different ways that processors try to optimise it, none of which are really satisfactory, and it makes ABIs slower as well
< 1748029801 783480 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: the problem is that there's a tradeoff here. if writing to the low part zeroes the high part, that's more efficient and easier to write ordinary functions in. but it also makes it harder to be compatible with a program written for an earlier version of the architecture, because when the older code tries to save and restore a callee-save register then it will accidentally zero the upper part of 
< 1748029807 789246 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its register.
< 1748029870 709531 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: oh, I see, it's so that programs that use avx2 can call sse subroutines without breaking things, if there are call-preserved vector registers
< 1748029915 65139 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, I think that combination is normally forbidden anyway because processors are so slow at doing the register merge – the x86-64 ABI bans letting SSE code ever see the high half of a ymm as nonzero
< 1748029927 431870 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is why in x86, the SSE2 instructions don't change the high part of YMM registers, but the similar AVX instructions that still act on just the lower 16 bytes of a YMM register zero the upper part of the YMM register, because any compiler that emits the AVX encoding knows how to save and restore all 32 bytes
< 1748029929 334426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: an unlikely annotation does help clang out quite a bit; g++ doesn't do anything useful with it.
< 1748029937 164395 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :meaning that you have to call vzeroupper on function return if you use any avx2, and in turn meaning avx2 registers can't be call-preserved
< 1748029958 837972 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, I see the reasoning
< 1748029964 397087 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :compatibility at the cost of performance
< 1748029983 34610 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :clang manages to produce a 3 cycle version of the inner loop with the annotations.
< 1748029989 784767 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the compatibility cases got soft-banned by the people who standardised the ABI
< 1748030069 558661 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I guess  https://paste.debian.net/1376259/ looks decent; no more spills
< 1748030092 937461 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :120457(%rbp)?
< 1748030104 557313 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, it's an integer addition, not a pointer addition
< 1748030110 784511 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's just using the pointer addition command
< 1748030120 989871 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, but that "soft-banned" just means that YMM registers can never be callee-saved, even though you could probably write/compile more efficient code if you had a few callee-saved ones
< 1748030140 230764 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the use of %rbp caught me out because I initially assumed it was on a really big stack frame
< 1748030148 547112 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :related to the loop upper bound
< 1748030154 973508 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but of course that would use a negative numbr
< 1748030182 74924 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm actually
< 1748030187 72974 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MMX was even worse in this respect, but fortunately nobody wants to use MMX much anyway for other reasons too, so it doesn't matter
< 1748030203 345514 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the use of xor rather than cmp is really weird, even though it shouldn't matter – I assume that's for the benefit of the code after the loop
< 1748030229 883368 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think MMX is top of the list of "never use this vectorising mechanism" for most people who hand-vectorise
< 1748030253 528309 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I'm missing two more instructions: https://paste.debian.net/1376260/
< 1748030260 230389 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :misread a label
< 1748030264 410139 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, technically 3Dmax is on the top of that list
< 1748030287 201039 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that's kind of cheating
< 1748030290 468688 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and /previously/ clang++ combined the two conditions into a single one and the arithmetic looked vaguely complex enough for that
< 1748030292 381526 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :didn't a few 3Dmax! instructions get stolen and become part of some other instruciton set?
< 1748030307 935673 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know
< 1748030308 250449 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, or was it called 3Dnow! ?
< 1748030313 903687 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, that
< 1748030318 494650 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :3Dnow! was a thing
< 1748030320 799238 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so irrelevant that I don't even remember its name
< 1748030336 390152 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does it really have an exclamation mark like CorelDraw! and Irregular Webcomic!? 
< 1748030341 227154 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think so
< 1748030353 642984 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes (just looked it up)
< 1748030381 514518 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: it is kind of funny that that `lea` is in there... it could be done outside of the loop
< 1748030456 115084 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I guess those two lea-s make the difference between 3 cycles and 2 cycles
< 1748030458 774239 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :still, decent
< 1748030466 838061 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like MMX is integer arithmetic and 3Dnow! is float arithmetic, both in mm registers
< 1748030586 683204 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: there are 10 instructions there and most modern Intel compilers decode at the rate of 4 per cycle, so that would explain the 3-cycle performance
< 1748030596 814556 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :g++ does this and I don't even know where it found so many registers to add 4 to in the inner loop. https://paste.debian.net/1376262/
< 1748030614 994506 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: you meant CPUs :)
< 1748030621 516723 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did
< 1748030667 290161 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice, that could be funny for legal problems as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8xhdL8BPvU&t=427s “Side note. I particularly enjoyed how since the title of Sharks! includes an exclamation mark, so too must all these legal documents, which was funny every time I read it. SHARKS!”
< 1748030714 195092 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Hmm, do you know whether the x86_64 ABI requires the upper 32 bits to be 0 for 32-bit values passed in registers?
< 1748030729 174617 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(otherwise I'll check)
< 1748030740 275783 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(SysV ABI of course)
< 1748030740 435433 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I did once but can't remember
< 1748030763 460734 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I don't think they can decode 4 instructions per cycle when there's so many vector instructions involved, and it shouldn't matter in a short inner loop because the decoded form will be cached in like two or three different ways
< 1748030855 973992 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: check in Agner's documentation, that's more readable than the original ABI descriptions
< 1748030923 276340 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ouch, apparently the SysV ABI says that for booleans, the bits above the bottom 8 are unspecified when used as an argument or return value, but the high 63 bits have to be 0 in other situations
< 1748030937 343184 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure what the difference is or even what other situations might matter
< 1748030989 958805 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: indeed, caching is possible – I was wondering whether it might also be bottlenecked by compute units, but it's hard to calculate that in my head
< 1748031011 351184 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on Intel there are four compute units but not all of them can handle all operations (and one of them only does very simple integer arithmetic like adds and compares)
< 1748031221 420565 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: so I've checked twice and haven't seen where the ABI talks about the high bits of registers, except for booleans and long double
< 1748031414 188361 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : I'm not sure what the difference is or even what other situations might matter ← I figured it out, if there are so many arguments that booleans have to be passed using the stack, they're given 8-byte stack slots and those have to be encoded as 0LL or 1LL
< 1748031542 642499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yeah I don't see any guarantee either so I guess the top bits are arbitrary.
< 1748031623 469581 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: if you want to write a boolean into a GP register or memory word, you'll often do it with the 386 SETcc instructions, and those write just one byte, whereas if you're returning a 32-bit integer into a register you'll usually write it with an instruction that zeroes the upper 32 bits 
< 1748031633 598892 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :compilers seem to generate code that makes no assumptions about the top bits of the arguments that functions receive
< 1748031646 148925 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: did you mean to ping me there
< 1748031661 894226 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably both of you
< 1748031686 849429 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, you ais523 brought up the booleans specificaly
< 1748031690 404323 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/aly/ally/
< 1748031846 358634 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Yes I realize that the upper half is *usually* cleared anyway because that's what the CPU does (to reduce data dependencies).
< 1748031847 81813 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do we have a HackEso command to convert asm to machine code?
< 1748031866 303155 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ls -1 bin/ | grep as
< 1748031870 398196 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output.
< 1748031877 282491 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ls -1 bin/
< 1748031879 129247 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output.
< 1748031884 802187 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ls -1 /hackenv/bin/
< 1748031886 312318 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​ \  \  \ ! \ " \ # \ ' \ ( \ : \ ? \ ?? \ @ \ ^.^ \ ` \ `^ \ `` \ ¿ \ ؟ \ ⁗ \ 🌱 \ `̀ \ 04w08e09l11c12o13m04e \ ,1 \ 1 \ 13 \ 1492 \ ,2 \ 2 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 5quote \ 5w \ 8-ball \ 8ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ acronym \ addquote \ addscowrevs \ addtodo \ addwhatis \ age \ aglist \ airport \ airport-lookup \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ as86 \ as-encoding \ asm \ asmbf \ asmbfx \ autowelcome \ bconv \ beat \
< 1748031914 209375 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` cat /hackenv/bin/as-encoding
< 1748031915 784324 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :echo "$1" | as -o /tmp/out.o - && objdump -d /tmp/out.o | grep -P '^ *[0-9a-f]+:' | sed 's/^[^\t]*\t//; s/ *\t/: /g'
< 1748031922 101644 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that looks promising
< 1748031961 243076 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`as-encoding prefetch (%rsi)
< 1748031964 534866 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0f 0d 06: prefetch (%rsi)
< 1748031983 602412 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, so that *was* a 3Dnow! instruction, but apparently the encoding was changed
< 1748031995 755403 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to no longer be in the 3Dnow! namespace
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> 1748034458 727587 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Countable infinity is uncountable infinity14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158358&oldid=158357 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+20) 10category
> 1748034492 926223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Countable infinity is uncountable infinity14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158359&oldid=158358 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+10) 10
> 1748034543 785294 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Countable infinity is uncountable infinity14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158360 5* 03Ais523 5* (+370) 10explain why this is wrong
> 1748034618 503695 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Boltzmann brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158361&oldid=158309 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+361) 10
> 1748035679 408609 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Countable infinity is uncountable infinity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158362&oldid=158360 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+364) 10
< 1748035823 536143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...another person confused by the difference between "arbitrarily long" and "infinitely long"
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< 1748035851 955934 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I hate for it to take place on a wiki of all places
> 1748035871 594316 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Countable infinity is uncountable infinity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158363&oldid=158362 5* 03Ais523 5* (+303) 10p-adic numbers are only countable due to repeating  if you include nonrepeating numbers in the same style, there are uncountably many
< 1748035883 918320 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/take place/happen/ (hate the word near-duplication)
> 1748036051 774991 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Boltzmann brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158364&oldid=158361 5* 03Int-e 5* (+128) 10scnr
< 1748036108 796243 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I really shouldn't have because it'll just act as troll fodder.)
< 1748036666 618316 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit
> 1748036714 718749 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Game of Life14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158365&oldid=154058 5* 03Corbin 5* (+222) 10/* History */ Context for Gosper's 1970 construction, as related by Conway to Simon Peyton Jones.
< 1748037558 105042 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: hold on, let me grab my mono-white infinite lifegain combo deck
< 1748038069 677519 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`olist 1326
< 1748038073 289031 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist : shachaf oerjan Sgeo boily nortti b_jonas Noisytoot
< 1748038177 621264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I saw it, but completely forgot about olisting
< 1748038360 219374 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sometimes I forget too
< 1748038363 491298 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Trying to recall when I've did pseudomathy stuff. Um, believing 2/0 = 4/0 != 3/0, shortly before instead watching all x/0 except 0/0 collapse into the same thing.
< 1748038424 674995 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Trying to define a number @ such that |@| = -1, but |x| is a ... definitions thing, not so much a function that can be easily extended to new kinds of numbers without definitions anyway, I... think?
< 1748040695 918576 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :maeve (she/her)
> 1748042064 839137 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/awesomenet website format14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158366 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+584) 10Created page with "awesomenet website format (awf) is a modified version of html used for awesomenet (found at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sOSj-Gv6Kyu4DLou2aGoTioKh7beHmfx_fe5kCCsRUM/edit?usp=sharing). == commands ==  1>ah1
> 1748042449 142011 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Countable infinity is uncountable infinity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158367&oldid=158363 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+231) 10
> 1748042497 895416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Countable infinity is uncountable infinity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158368&oldid=158359 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+101) 10
> 1748043121 680925 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158369&oldid=158202 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+30) 10
< 1748043734 757584 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
> 1748044830 912269 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:CAPI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158370&oldid=158356 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+292) 10
> 1748046929 129930 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nekol14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158371 5* 03Dmiz 5* (+1806) 10Created page with "Neko is a esolang created to be simple 
 Exist two types of commands, the commands and subcommands
 The commands are used as commands, like in python 
 The subcommands are used in commands and are writen with ( and ) Codes are represented with { and } 
 His have 
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> 1748047462 134400 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nekol14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158373&oldid=158372 5* 03Dmiz 5* (+252) 10
> 1748051753 765078 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User programmed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158374&oldid=158347 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+68) 10Im done
> 1748052352 821698 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tommyaweosme's harmonica14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158375 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+1357) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}}tommyaweosme's harmonica is a programming language designed by [[user:tommyaweosme]] where every command is playable on his harmonica  every note is a variable, and some notes are commands.  == commands ==  1B XX - declares a variable 
> 1748052366 594620 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tommyaweosme's harmonica14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158376&oldid=158375 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+31) 10/* trivia */
> 1748052506 345888 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tommyaweosme's harmonica14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158377&oldid=158376 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+115) 10categories
> 1748052531 260749 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tommyaweosme's harmonica14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158378&oldid=158377 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (-23) 10not cell-based not that i can think of
> 1748053333 238579 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158379&oldid=158369 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+57) 10
> 1748054439 695255 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Elphan14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158380 5* 03Elphan 5* (+48) 10Created page with "hello um   idk   i made this * [[Ampell]]   yeah"
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> 1748054482 772675 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Elphan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158382&oldid=158381 5* 03Elphan 5* (+1) 10
> 1748054777 703599 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ampell14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158383&oldid=158339 5* 03Elphan 5* (+57) 10/* Syntax */
> 1748054874 536957 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158384&oldid=158263 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+166) 10
> 1748055375 842799 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Langage de programmation du cur14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158385&oldid=158236 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+319) 10
> 1748055526 517948 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ampell14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158386&oldid=158383 5* 03Elphan 5* (+0) 10/* Prints "hi" how many times you want */
> 1748055834 802068 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ampell14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158387&oldid=158386 5* 03Elphan 5* (+37) 10/* Simple fork bomb */
> 1748056648 32845 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:CAPI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158388&oldid=158370 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+868) 10
> 1748056672 972343 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:I am islptng/TCP114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158389&oldid=157142 5* 03Cycwin 5* (+18) 10
> 1748056702 123086 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158390&oldid=155783 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+54) 10
> 1748056928 552383 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User programmed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158391&oldid=158374 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+270) 10
> 1748057003 973114 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User programmed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158392&oldid=158391 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+94) 10
> 1748057022 853612 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User programmed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158393&oldid=158392 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-270) 10pstf the esolang is done smh
> 1748057194 871746 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User programmed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158394&oldid=158393 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-93) 10
> 1748058535 371024 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158395&oldid=158178 5* 03C0ffee 5* (-8) 10
> 1748059170 998504 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158396&oldid=158328 5* 03C0ffee 5* (+33) 10
> 1748059305 618244 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ampell14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158397&oldid=158387 5* 03Elphan 5* (+19) 10/* Syntax */
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< 1748062661 335061 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life
> 1748064683 377268 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03A.Robot 5*  10New user account
< 1748065621 158119 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there any specific word to indicate C libraries that do not do any I/O except by FILE objects given by the caller and/or callback functions given by the caller? I think this would be useful for many uses, so some C libraries that I write are designed to work like this.
< 1748065825 491890 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38, have you ever looked at JCL? Or simpler JCL-like things? Because it's fascinating to me that a program on systems that use that will specify "names" for files, but the actual file to use is given outside the program
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< 1748065976 591297 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :e,g, in MUSIC/SP (which doesn't use JCL but something simpler) the statement `/file obj1 n(testprog.obj) new(repl)` causes the program that wants to use a file called "obj1" to use "testprog.obj"
< 1748066009 341796 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which doesn't answer your question >.> but seems related. I may be obsessed with MUSIC/SP currently
< 1748066175 368361 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose that gives the programmer control over which file is used, but not the caller of a library
< 1748066371 358657 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or address other I/O. I suppose that whether a given function "does I/O" depends on which library it's linked to. If I write code that tries to use sockets, but link a fake socket library, does that count as doing I/O?
< 1748066398 487971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :(None of this negates the practical utility of no-I/O-except-by-provided-FILE-objects)
< 1748066972 890760 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In my idea of operating system design, files do not have names; however, my question is not related to that either (but is necessary if you want to use the library on such an operating system (or on one that doesn't have files)).
< 1748067052 979641 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some SDL functions are capable of working in a similar way than I described but can also be used with file names. (e.g. SDL_LoadWAV_RW and SDL_LoadWAV)
< 1748067100 314507 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do not remember if I had seen that about JCL before, although I might have done and not remembered.
< 1748067155 82501 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I had heard of JCL before but not known much about it.)
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> 1748073748 355963 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ampell14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158402&oldid=158401 5* 03Elphan 5* (+6) 10
> 1748073796 765738 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ampell14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158403&oldid=158402 5* 03Elphan 5* (+2) 10/* Interpreters */
< 1748073869 911195 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
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< 1748083063 289616 :OfficialWatchOS7!~OfficialW@87.241.158.64 PRIVMSG #esolangs :HAY GUYZ!!!
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> 1748085848 641071 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158404&oldid=158335 5* 03None1 5* (+511) 10/* Can you prove computatioal class for esolang xVector? */
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> 1748087002 702371 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Alikberoff 5*  10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Prefixes order controller (SN74xx).png10]]": Version for print
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> 1748089852 555525 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158409&oldid=158400 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+308) 10/* Cinnamony */
> 1748089989 745059 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CAPI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158410&oldid=155260 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+72) 10
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> 1748094382 132549 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/why it wouldnt work/User:Cinnamony/Guides/Become dead14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158414 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+1102) 10Created page with "there are 3 main methods mentioned in this article:  # staying up until 1:00 AM and jumping out of your window # buying a shovel and burying yourself with it # go to a pool, ask the lifeguards not to r
> 1748094391 547163 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/why it wouldnt work/User:Cinnamony/Guides/Become dead14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158415&oldid=158414 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+0) 10/* why it wouldnt work = */
> 1748094656 352816 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/why it wouldnt work14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158416 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+189) 10Created page with "why it wouldnt work is a series made by [[user:tommyaweosme]] on various things hosted on the esolangspace that would not work!  what is meant by esolangspace is anything hosted on esolang."
> 1748095516 877749 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/why it wouldnt work/User:Cinnamony/Guides/Break someone14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158417 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+2314) 10Created page with "oh wow, there really is a lot to cover for this one. == why it wouldnt work == === level 1 === # going near someone obviously wont BREAK someone unless their social anxiety is through the roof # aski
> 1748095542 19823 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/why it wouldnt work/User:Cinnamony/Guides/Break someone14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158418&oldid=158417 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (-1) 10WHY THE FUCK DO I KEEP MAKING HEADER TYPOS JEGSJXNGSDJFKZENWMGSDHJFSK
> 1748095735 809980 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/why it wouldnt work/User:Cinnamony/Guides/Break someone14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158419&oldid=158418 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+1) 10/* what you actually want to do */ aeaeae vendetta isnt a generic term
> 1748096026 924610 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Boltzmann brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158420&oldid=158302 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+470) 10
> 1748096169 146373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/awesomenet website format14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158421&oldid=158366 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+106) 10
> 1748096251 739358 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/awesomenet markup language14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158422 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+903) 10Created page with "awesomenet markup language is a markup language used for awesomenet (found at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sOSj-Gv6Kyu4DLou2aGoTioKh7beHmfx_fe5kCCsRUM/edit?tab=t.qbe1eqejzu7x) (please make a website on it, you CAN leave yo
> 1748098623 584904 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ampell14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158423&oldid=158403 5* 03Elphan 5* (+74) 10
> 1748099155 435083 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PkmnQ/Hypercomputable implementations14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158424&oldid=157269 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-1) 10/* Brainhype, Hyperon, and Loop preventing brainfuck */
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< 1748120448 987870 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Suddenly I want a list of languages with unusual return constructs.
< 1748120469 577495 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :E.g. VB where you assign to the name of the function. Rexx (which I'm trying to wrap my brain around now) a special variable called result
< 1748120606 446264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait, I'm misunderstanding the Rexx code.
< 1748120622 356299 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :The *caller* accesses the result via result... or at least that's what this sample code is doing
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< 1748120888 699298 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: sample? how can you get samples when the Rosetta Code wobsite is unreachable?
< 1748120944 875362 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION is reading https://rexxinfo.org/Rexx_Programmers_Reference.pdf

< 1748121000 332860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this language is unpleasant but useful for retroprogramming :/
< 1748121014 215677 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mainframes, Amiga, OS/2 I think?
< 1748121427 401488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Uninitialized variables contain their uppercased name initially
> 1748121614 230586 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158442&oldid=158396 5* 03Buckets 5* (+13) 10
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> 1748121658 992603 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Billow14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158444 5* 03Buckets 5* (+6368) 10Created page with "Billow is an Esoteric programming language created by [[User:Buckets]] in 2022. {| class="wikitable" |- ! Pseudo-Commands !! Instructions |- | 0,0,0 || Noop. |- | 0,0,+ || Push 1. |- | 0,0,- || Push 2. |- | 0,+,0 || Push 3. |- | 0,+,+ || Push 4. |- | 0,+,- || Push 5. |- 
> 1748121772 923103 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Buckets14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158445&oldid=158443 5* 03Buckets 5* (+0) 10/* Total of Esolangs */
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> 1748121813 318594 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esorn14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158446&oldid=157540 5* 03Buckets 5* (+0) 10
< 1748121823 861060 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :foo is an array, and this indexes on the value of bar. If bar hasn't been set to something else, it contains BAR
< 1748121838 762509 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :So... depending on that, it's getting the value for BAR or getting something else
< 1748121965 514578 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :"In many programming languages, you must be concerned with what the subscript of the first entry in a
< 1748121965 643339 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :table is. Is the first numeric subscript 0 or 1? In Rexx, the first subscript is whatever you use! So, input
< 1748121965 649620 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :the first array element into position 0 or 1 as you prefer:"
< 1748122135 54865 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :"As an informal convention, many Rexx programmers store the number of array elements in position 0,
< 1748122135 181223 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :then start storing data elements in position 1:"
< 1748122278 747088 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it is useful to allow the number of the first entry in an array to be any integer. Often zero is good enough, but there are also cases where 1 or other numbers (sometimes including negative numbers) are useful. However, other programming languages also do this, such as BASIC.
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> 1748127042 648437 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158447&oldid=158247 5* 03Skip Broke 5* (+1) 10/* Python version */ This is a polyglot
< 1748127168 127234 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's possible for control flow to accidentally flow into subroutines from the main code if not coded against
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> 1748137145 912194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User programmed14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158450&oldid=158394 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+270) 10My attempt is to make this language Turing-complete so I linked this language with Python.
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> 1748138511 791348 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03CopperTones 5*  10New user account
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< 1748140405 250635 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought to make up a HOST command in IRC and NNTP, which is like the "Host:" header of HTTP. (I don't know if they already have something like that.)
< 1748140445 56950 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :IRC does not.
< 1748140447 10991 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The HOST command is not allowed to be used with an encrypted connection, and in the case of IRC it must be sent before any other commands (including USER).
< 1748140475 282108 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :To create multiple logical IRC servers with a single ircd?
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< 1748140546 149247 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In the case of NNTP, the response from the server if it is used successfully allows the same responses that the server will respond to the initial connection (but does not have to be the same response; it is the same set of responses that is allowed), and all of the state of the protocol is reset.
< 1748140646 564044 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Creating multiple logical IRC servers with a single ircd is one use, although there are other uses as well, such as if multiple users want to run a server on the same computer (with different settings and maybe even a different implementation), or for a forwarding service that forwards version 4 to version 6 internet or from internet to one of my computers in LAN, etc.
< 1748140828 838022 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Virtual hosting is useful for many reasons like that. Some protocols already support it (TLS, HTTP, Gemini, Scorpion) and some don't (SSH, Gopher). In some cases, even if it is not already have it, it could be added, such as in this case of IRC and NNTP.
> 1748140956 642451 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Deadfish++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158455&oldid=124318 5* 03CopperTones 5* (+684) 10mi toki
> 1748141045 763929 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:CopperTones14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158456 5* 03CopperTones 5* (+34) 10Created page with "hi, poke me so i make this or smth"
< 1748141077 781105 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mhm
< 1748141095 285098 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :It does also add significant complexity though.
< 1748141133 212446 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :Re multiple separate ircds on the same IP, is there a way to pass a socket to another process, or would you have to proxy?
< 1748141202 629964 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :Proxying would be annoying because you would then also have to pass the true client IP through to the ircd.
< 1748141332 715636 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you can pass a socket to another process. Also, servers that have no use for virtual hosting would not be required to implement it, anyways.
< 1748141757 748533 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there C library for cryptography with one .c file and one .h file?
< 1748141868 477457 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :That'd mean users can't just run whatever ircd they want in that multiuser system use case though. :-/
< 1748141905 745254 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess socket handoff would have to be implemented in the backend ircd as well though.
< 1748142079 359558 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it could support whatever ircd they want if it is handled properly; there are a few considerations but I think they can be handled.
< 1748142219 586501 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you don't care about accurate user hosts, I suppose you could just proxy and append the real IP to the gecos or similar. That'd still allow for IP-based bans on some ircds (ones that have a gecos-based extban). It'd be a bit ugly though.
< 1748142222 375001 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(In some cases, it might be possible by modifying the software and that might not be too difficult, although modifying the system to support it is another way.)
< 1748142337 246439 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, if it is necessary then you could implement something like that, although if a ircd program is made to support this kind of proxying then it would already have some better way to do it, would be expected.
< 1748142401 764027 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well yeah, my idea would be to avoid having to change the ircd at all.
< 1748142439 16301 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suspect you can't easily fake a network connection's origin, but that might also be an option.
< 1748142509 283809 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some operating systems might allow it in some cases (I don't know if Linux does, or if anyone made up a kernel module or other way to do it if it normally doesn't)
< 1748142510 902167 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :In this setup, only the client and the proxy would need to support the virtual hosting. With TLS, you could even narrow that to just the proxy.
< 1748142573 532296 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like I mentioned TLS already has virtual hosting, so it is likely that a client that supports TLS also does.
< 1748142618 852187 :JAA!~JAA@user/meow/JAA PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah right, you could just stick any reverse proxy in front of that.
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< 1748143999 273217 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: I think several languages use a global variable for returning from functions, e.g. the normal convention is for x86-64 asm to return values by storing them in %rax, and INTERCAL programs normally return values by storing them in the lowest-numbered variable of the correct type that wasn't used as an argument
< 1748144033 47986 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unlike other uses of global variables for parameter-passing, this one doesn't have any clashes or scoping problems, because the function you return to can immediately move the return value to a more permanent location
< 1748144073 402973 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(whereas if you pass arguments in global variables, if a function makes a function call, it loses access to its own arguments unless it spills them)
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> 1748145721 61617 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Funciton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158457&oldid=157816 5* 03Timwi 5* (+245) 10Rejiggle the functions to match the new structure of the library
> 1748147279 126052 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158458&oldid=158457 5* 03Timwi 5* (-1) 10fix mistake in description of 
> 1748148832 217703 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MythLang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158459 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+2726) 10Created page with "MythLang is an Esolang designed by [[User:PrySigneToFry]].  As name shown, this language will be powerful as the myth recounts.  = Overview = MythLang is Turing-Complete, and it is "interpreted" language.  = Basic syntax = == Variable and Data types == This langu
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> 1748152367 942917 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158462&oldid=158458 5* 03Timwi 5* (+650) 10Small clarification in the regex example
< 1748152982 887966 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now I wrote a program to parse a X.509 certificate. So far it only checks if the certificate expired and can extract the public key, but in future it might be made to do other stuff too.
< 1748153007 830342 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It was not very difficult to do the things I implemented so far.
> 1748153901 720395 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:*lang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158463 5* 03JJRubes 5* (+5565) 10linked list example program
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< 1748159912 635971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looking at 2D languages for ... reasons. Does Befunge not have an input command?
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< 1748160093 261426 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :it has two IIRC, one that reads a char from stdin and one that reads a number
< 1748160102 732920 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(integer)
< 1748160117 585452 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :~ and & it seems, respectively
< 1748160180 589852 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :..that's what I get for searching for "input" instead of actually reading the page
< 1748160292 765476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can I use "Befunge" in a language name if it has significant incompatibilities? Maybe I should be making a new language from scratch
< 1748160441 360912 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :First thought: ' as an input version of ": Beep the screen and have the user type text after a space after the first ' up to the ' to the right
< 1748160498 782509 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, maybe that's not... that interesting except for how input is fixed length
< 1748160574 602551 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ooh, a command that turns N characters after it into an input field that just... becomes part of the program. Could be used to keep " as a normal string generator and yet turn it into an input command
< 1748160689 783748 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :input directly into the playfield would mix well with g and p
< 1748160712 780876 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, I think it should push existing characters away along the ray, rather than overwriting them
< 1748160716 59282 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :command that reads input directly into the program space sounds entertainingly cursed
< 1748160721 619284 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :otherwise it is hard to determine how long the input was
< 1748160754 613063 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you could just push the length of the input onto the stack
< 1748160782 950356 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :command that when executed overwrites input in the direction of program execution (starting with the command itself) and then continues execution the cell after input finishes
< 1748160796 308791 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm actually probably not, that's terrible
< 1748160800 292517 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :note that input that goes directly into the playfield doesn't mix well with Befunge-98's skipping of multiple spaces
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< 1748160807 485162 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I guess you could push the length
< 1748160833 200381 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Shove may be interesting, its only way to read data from its own stack pops the stack directly into the playfield
< 1748160838 350450 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you might get inspiration from there, too
< 1748160843 249817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I kind of have to know the length before I ask for input anyway, although the input could have spaces (or blanks) at the end?
< 1748160860 726890 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mostly I'm thinking of how to use the 3270 terminal in an interesting way
< 1748160887 668423 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well if it pushes existing commands away, rather than overwriting them, you don't need to know the input length in advance
< 1748161310 501328 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Command that sets part of the playfield writable-when-input-is-next-requested, and command that pauses and waits for user to modify playfield?
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< 1748161994 448082 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Half wondering if I should force everything to be EBCDIC-1047 instead of ASCII. Doesn't really change the character that much or make implementation much easier or harder, but it's amusing
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< 1748171195 690442 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Celebrate Towel-Day!
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< 1748207848 548885 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://gist.github.com/Sgeo/f90552fd86e72f59f990c0271d95419e
< 1748207872 396036 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :MUSIC/SP has conversions between its EBCDIC and what it claims is ASCII, which as far as I can tell is actually ISO-8859-1
< 1748207992 844023 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Did you publish the output of the program too?
< 1748208010 682908 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(in case you want to use it outside of MUSIC/SP)
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< 1748210794 301445 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38, just added the resulting file. But including the character itself was a bad idea
< 1748210822 982459 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Couldn't even copy/paste from my editor because of the NUL (I assume), not sure ... how Github interpreted me dragging the file onto the page
< 1748211073 525715 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. Someone on YouTube got access to a full MUSIC/SP system, not just the publicly available demo. I'm jealous
< 1748211220 808018 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Converted to UTF-8 (from ISO-8859-1) in my text editor and reuploaded
< 1748212636 379788 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, the file will be usable now anyways, I suppose.
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 @RULE CCCC  Complex Compact Computing Core. This rule is a set of 58 tiles designed
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> 1748295404 607048 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158534&oldid=158460 5* 03Buckets 5* (+11) 10
> 1748295438 275366 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Buckets14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158535&oldid=158445 5* 03Buckets 5* (+10) 10
> 1748295474 888457 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Amit14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158536 5* 03Buckets 5* (+1282) 10Created page with "Amit is an Esoteric programming language created by [[User:Buckets]] in 2021.  {| class="wikitable" |- ! Commands !! Instructions |- | Any Natural Number || Pushes That Number on the Stack. |- | * || Multiplies the top two values on the stack.  |- | + || Adds the top two v
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> 1748303899 278047 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Buckets/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158541&oldid=154144 5* 03Buckets 5* (+3684) 10
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< 1748320168 648468 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some things that say some formats are complicated or simple than others will fail to consider "ignorable complexity" (although what is ignorable can depend on the application).
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< 1748341823 536802 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi *
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> 1748354993 138137 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Where is my esolang?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158551&oldid=158550 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+89) 10
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> 1748361598 701404 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Uncomputable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158552&oldid=156173 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-23) 10I don't think that category should be there
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> 1748372310 183611 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zaddy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158558&oldid=158526 5* 03Corbin 5* (+2354) 10I implemented CHR(Zaddy) over the weekend, I guess. The syntax works, but the semantics are still a little buggy.
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> 1748373139 418373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Game of Life14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158559&oldid=158557 5* 03Corbin 5* (+212) 10Use standard reference formatting, just a bit, to make this read more smoothly.
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> 1748374236 333820 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zaddy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158561&oldid=158558 5* 03Corbin 5* (-10) 10/* Constraint Handling Rules */ Bluelink; we have a page on-wiki!
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> 1748389042 809210 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07APGsembly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158565&oldid=158080 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+101) 10
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> 1748389549 146083 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Where is my esolang?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158566&oldid=158551 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+651) 10
> 1748393454 230054 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:I am islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158567&oldid=158527 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+1892) 10/* Help again! */ new section
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> 1748401044 757822 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:I am islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158568&oldid=158567 5* 03I am islptng 5* (-1240) 10/* Help again! */
> 1748403816 93763 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:I am islptng/Lambda Calculus Tutorial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158569&oldid=155842 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+1434) 10/* Combinator calculus */
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> 1748405021 801317 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158572&oldid=152768 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+84) 10
> 1748405188 852251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158573&oldid=158572 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+282) 10/* My targets */
> 1748405335 730563 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158574&oldid=155756 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+972) 10/* Make it even  scarier !!!! */
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> 1748405533 940259 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zaddy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158576&oldid=158561 5* 03Corbin 5* (-21) 10/* Constraint Handling Rules */ Fix example programs; capitalization matters in Prolog-style syntax.
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> 1748406018 378624 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated SLet/3/MihaiEso14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158577 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+706) 10Created page with "The [[Translated SLet/3/PrySigneToFry|idea]] of this s**t is given by PrySigneToFry.  1. Take the semiproduct.  Mary thanked me with a smile.  2. Add salt, sugar, vinegar, light soy sauce, dark soy sauce, MSG, pepper, peppercorns, and 1 cup (236.6 ml)
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> 1748409983 479980 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated SLet/3/islptng Again14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158579&oldid=158578 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+38) 10
> 1748410452 66613 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated SLet/3/MihaiEso Again14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158580 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+2071) 10Created page with "what the [[Translated SLet/3/islptng Again|fuck]]  1. Take the shit.  It should also be in response to this set of was, rough tiles, mostly dense forests,  2. 100mL10g20g50g100g500mL300g400mlPSTFISLPTNGTOMMYAWEOSMENONE1MIHAI_POPA..."
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< 1748497720 321550 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had mentioned before about capability-based systems, and whether or not testing equality of capabilities should be allowed (and what ones should be considered as equal).
< 1748497778 541741 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, for the way I had thought of network transparency, I think that it may be necessary to be able to test equality of capabilities (even if two different sources give it to you), since the network protocol will need to be able to assign a temporary identifier to these capabilities, and doing it without might make it inefficient.
< 1748497823 320894 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, with proxy capabilities, you can still always force a capability to be unequal, and if you have nothing else to compare it to, you still cannot verify it, and the inability to verify it in this way is, in my opinion, a helpful security feature.
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 It's time to share, to share i..."
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> 1748549341 576946 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07VTS14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158680 5* 03JORE 5* (+5372) 10Created page with "== VTS Programming Language == '''VTS''' is a modification of python. It also makes code harder to read.  {| class="wikitable" |+ Command Set |- ! VTS !! Python !! Description |- | n >> x || x=n || Assignment |- | n *> x || x=x*n 1748549919 8228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158681&oldid=158379 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+9) 10
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< 1748550562 1376 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi everybody. I think I found something. first a quick question: is the following function primitive recursive ?
< 1748550566 18632 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :pri3 = (f,n,a,b,c) => n?pri3(f,n-1n,a,b,f(a,b,c)):c
< 1748550715 461329 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is n-1n a typo for n-1? anyway, no, even assuming that n,a,b,c are natural numbers, because f is an argument that we know nothing about.
< 1748550801 862600 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e 1n means a BigInt in javascript. assume that f is primitive recursive
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< 1748550966 415993 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: Then yes, at the face of it at least. Using JS probably opens up some backdoors.
< 1748550986 997536 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is n a natural number? 
< 1748551022 908978 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so this is like n iterations of the function (c -> f(a,b,c)) nested started from c?
< 1748551067 224854 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas yes n, a, b,c are natural numbers. yes
< 1748551258 624972 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`'
< 1748551261 259715 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :558)   But wait what if I'm using a quantum computer <-- there is "quantum entropy".  it's the same except no one understands it.
< 1748551347 569059 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e if pri3 is primitive recursive then hyperoperation function is also primitive recursive
< 1748551508 870698 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, no.
< 1748551514 107590 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1748551519 959545 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :pri3 itself is *not* primitive recursve
< 1748551537 47866 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :pri3(f) is, if f is
< 1748551580 388011 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for pri3(f) to make sense, assume you had written pri3 = (f) => (n,a,b,c) => ... instead)
< 1748551803 660410 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e is pri3 total ?
< 1748551819 848242 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :with the restriction on f? yes
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< 1748551847 734041 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but f isn't a natural number
< 1748551887 914701 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :cu
< 1748551928 840744 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Yes, 15
< 1748551934 940727 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION &

< 1748551962 566140 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :APic: really, all you ever say is hi and cu but *this* is what you intend to engage with :-P
< 1748551979 329098 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/intend/decide/
< 1748551995 946478 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :minor brain malfunction here
< 1748552049 423743 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e we need a look up table for f to be a natural number
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< 1748552113 504146 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, int-e is right, running an arbitrary primitive recursive function that you get form input is more powerful than what a primitive recursive function can do
< 1748552657 720846 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess most computational classes aren't able to self-interpret – TC is unusual in that respect
< 1748552687 448306 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, can LBAs self-interpret? (assuming that the input to the interpreter is an input + program)
< 1748552701 398820 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, no, because the LBA being interpreted might need a constant factor higher than the interpreter has
< 1748552737 600858 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think any specific factor of LBA might be able to, though?
< 1748552764 133202 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas let me show you what I discovered. my guess is that the following four functions are a basis for total computable functions are I use subset of javascript to implement my language
< 1748552776 91095 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah you get a weird fixed-parameter class of incomplete self-interpreters
< 1748552780 450619 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one = (a) => 1n
< 1748552780 937341 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :inc = (a) => (a||0n)+1n
< 1748552781 441574 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dec = (a) => a>0n?(a||0n)-1n:0n
< 1748552781 936945 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :pri = (f,n,...args) => n?pri(f,n-1n,...args.slice(0,args.length-1),f(...args)):args[args.length-1]
< 1748552782 796259 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can do that for primitive recursion too
< 1748553270 146601 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh no, it's that discussion from way back
< 1748553325 516748 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas this time is different. I think I discovered something cool this time :)
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< 1748553553 231168 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You're using JS for this; I imagine it's very easy to accidentally compose these primitives in a way that results in a function that's not primitive recursive because JS has full recursion built in.
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< 1748553821 53321 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry I have some issues with my internet connection. my point is you can compose 4 total functions and get all other total computable functions. isn't that cool ?
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< 1748554152 917487 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: int-e already pointed out the problem. you have a function pri that calls a function that it gets as argument. if you can pass any function into it then you can easily build a y-combinator construction and get an infine loop, something like function y(a,b,c) { return a(b); }; pri(y,1,y,0,0)
< 1748554290 805522 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so there's just no guarantee that pri is total
< 1748554351 931489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, abusing the supposedly natural number arguments (n and all of ...args) to pass in functions will do the trick too.
< 1748554380 783984 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the other problem is of course that you still aren't giving us a specific definition of what you're allowed to compose how
< 1748554401 53699 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I'm tired trying to deal with a moving goalpost when you do that
< 1748554615 99602 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, I thought it is simple enough to be easy to fill the blanks. let me give you a list of functions that I defined using these 4 functions maybe that helps if not I will come up with a blog post or something in the future.
< 1748554639 726406 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zero = (a) => dec(one(a))
< 1748554640 225732 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :add = (a,b) => pri(inc,a,b)
< 1748554640 726406 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mul = (a,b) => pri(add,a,b,zero(a))
< 1748554641 225741 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :pow = (a,b) => pri(mul,b,a,one(a))
< 1748554641 726274 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tsb = (a,b) => pri(dec,b,a)
< 1748554655 335442 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not = (a) => pow(zero(a),mul(a,a))
< 1748554655 835525 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :two = (a) => inc(one(a))
< 1748554656 336164 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :three = (a) => inc(two(a))
< 1748554656 836387 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :isZero = (a) => not(a)
< 1748554657 336416 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :isNonZero = (a) => isZero(isZero(a))
< 1748554657 835513 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and = (a,b) => isZero(add(isZero(a),isZero(b)))
< 1748554658 336195 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or = (a,b) => isZero(mul(a,b))
< 1748554658 835708 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :eq = (a,b) => isZero(add(tsb(a,b),tsb(b,a)))
< 1748554659 335100 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :notEq = (a,b) => not(eq(a,b))
< 1748554659 836096 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If = (a,b,c) => add(mul(isNonZero(a),b),mul(isZero(a),c))
< 1748554660 335438 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lte = (a,b) => isZero(tsb(a,b))
< 1748554660 835429 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lt = (a,b) => If(eq(a,b),zero(a),lte(a,b))
< 1748554661 335480 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gt = (a,b) => not(lte(a,b))
< 1748554661 836375 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gte = (a,b) => not(lt(a,b))
< 1748554662 335355 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :min = (a,b) => If(lt(a,b),a,b)
< 1748554662 835915 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :max = (a,b) => If(lt(a,b),b,a)
< 1748554690 893659 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hyp = (n,a,b) =>
< 1748554691 393772 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :  (eq(n,zero(a)))?inc(b):
< 1748554691 950155 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :  (and(eq(n,one(a)),eq(b,zero(a))))?a:
< 1748554692 394017 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :  (and(eq(n,two(a)),eq(b,zero(a))))?zero(a):
< 1748554692 893822 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :  (and(gt(n,two(a)),eq(b,zero(a))))?one(a):
< 1748554693 394120 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :  pri(hyp,one(a),dec(n),a,pri(hyp,one(a),n,a,dec(b)))
< 1748554693 894069 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ack = (m,n) => m?tsb(hyp(m,two(n),add(n,three(n))),three(n)):inc(n)
< 1748554700 966049 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...
< 1748554712 415340 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, hyp uses full recursion; you lose
< 1748554776 190446 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the pri(f) construction, f must be a previously defined primitive recursive function.
< 1748554798 91612 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this "previously defined" part is usually left out because this is how inductive definitions always work
< 1748554902 234638 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e yes f must be previosuly defined. I don't get what you mean by "you lose", can you write a function that loops ? (I know I haven't clearly specified the grammar of this language )
< 1748554941 751329 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: `hyp` uses pri(hyp,...) inside its own definition. That's not allowed.
< 1748554967 855255 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e why ?
< 1748554974 909897 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it has not been previously defined
< 1748554981 591516 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you're defining it right there
< 1748555008 375490 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e it is a self-referential definition
< 1748555014 821625 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is not allowed
< 1748555023 621122 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would be arbitrary recursion
< 1748555048 660395 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not an arbitrary recursion
< 1748555065 119592 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well it'
< 1748555076 633599 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well the thing that matters is that it's not primitive recursion
< 1748555150 178069 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't get why that matters. maybe ais523 can help us here ?
< 1748555157 570241 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The rules are like this; when defining hyp, you can only use functions defined up to the point when you define hyp. That is, zero, add, mul, etc, up to max. But not hyp itself.
< 1748555177 253728 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes, but you can get a loop even without a function directly referring to itself, I mentioned y = (a,b,c) => a(b); pri(y,1,y,0,0); above. 
< 1748555179 300522 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :This really is not a difficult rule, and you're violating it.
< 1748555223 815548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: because you're smart and have found another loophole (passing a function where only natural numbers are allowed)
< 1748555267 104879 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: what, where does it say that only natural numbers are allowed?
< 1748555283 286162 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess one way to think about it is that, if you're trying to implement primitive recursion in particular, you have to obey the rules of primitive recursion – and although it's totally fine to write a programming system which doesn't follow those rules, you end up with a different computational class
< 1748555300 976836 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I mentioned it when you posted that `y` example the first time.
< 1748555321 965007 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: The *reference* I'm using isn't this discussion; it's the standard defintion of primitive recursion.
< 1748555327 364753 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: ah I see
< 1748555369 290572 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because it's clear from the outset that if Raoof is obtaining arbitrary recursive functions, what they're doing must differ from the standard definition somewhere.
< 1748555428 576739 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 what is the computational class of the compositions of these 4 functions ?
< 1748555456 420239 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: I still think you haven't told us how you're allowed to compose these
< 1748555463 517279 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like what expressions you're allowing
< 1748555474 937136 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Raoof: the question isn't well-defined, especially as the functions take more than one argument
< 1748555500 482429 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :functions with multiple arguments? that's your excuse? hehehe
< 1748555532 891187 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the composition of f and g is function(x) { return f(g(x)); }
< 1748555544 63700 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that definition doesn't obviously generalise to multiple arguments
< 1748555550 937904 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(unless you also have multiple return values)
< 1748555579 943686 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I don't think Raoof meant composition in the mathematical sense, it's still an undefined problem without knowing what sense it was meant in
< 1748555591 100250 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, so you're also asking what expressions Raoul wants to allow.
< 1748555606 682155 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1748555617 684488 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, apart from the typoed nickname
< 1748555668 410865 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a simpler goal; I'm just chasing the "whatever this is, it's not primitive recursion" point.
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< 1748555776 212356 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: so I think the problem here is that if person A believes "X can't do Y" and person B believes they have disproved it with "Z is an argument that X can do Y", that although person A can state "because X can't do Y, Z must be wrong" this argument will not be convincing to person B, even if it's correct
< 1748555777 209094 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Raoof
< 1748555839 951850 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Well I did pinpoint the place where Raoof's construction deviated from primitive recursion.
< 1748555887 923754 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tried to explain... not sure whether I managed because there is no good reason other than that the definition doesn't work that way.
< 1748556264 63981 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :primitive recursion is much easier to understand if you view it as iteration, IMO
< 1748556323 559747 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are we doing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlooP_and_FlooP now?
< 1748556334 958702 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: do you mean for loop iterations with mutable variables that you can write repeatedly in a loop, as in the (0) language?
< 1748556336 596278 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(what a horrible syntax, I mean SYNTAX)
< 1748556359 436708 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I was thinking along the lines of BLooP
< 1748556359 525362 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: is (0)'s syntax saner?
< 1748556371 431432 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: do I dare to look?
< 1748556391 620429 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, it's probably not a good question
< 1748556399 522047 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think anyone cares about (0)'s concrete syntax
< 1748556424 558864 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 these 3+1 functions are analogous to instruction for a Register machine
< 1748556501 340885 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there are parts of the syntax that I'm not even sure how they work but it doesn't really matter
< 1748556503 782920 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*instructions
< 1748556541 644873 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: that sounds like a good property for an esolang to have
< 1748556576 343475 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like INTERCAL aims to evoke it
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< 1748556602 91459 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: as far as I understand Bloop also has mutable variables; the main difference is that (0) has user-defined functions and local variables for them, which matters because of how (1) is defined as a modification of (0)
< 1748556641 209542 :Raoof!~Raoof@2a01:5ec0:9818:f564:2979:e386:a0c6:b236 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Raoof
< 1748556655 63337 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(INTERCAL-72 intentionally doesn't have operator precedence – C-INTERCAL and CLC-INTERCAL both have something that exists in that space that triggers if you write an expression with insufficient spark/ears, but is hard to understand and doesn't behave like traditional operator precedence)
< 1748556686 208663 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :primitive recursive languages based on iteration can't allow you to modify the loop counter (unless doing so doesn't change or reduces the number of loop iterations)
< 1748556686 330765 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: kind of, but INTERCAL also comes with some esotericness in its concrete syntax, especially in how a comment ends with DO or PLEASE anywhere in it
< 1748556730 346922 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :INTERCAL doesn't have comments, it just has a) syntax errors that don't happen until runtime and b) a range of ways to prevent a statement executing even if it's in the path of execution
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< 1748556752 702268 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the way statements are delimited is very esoteric and not fully understodo
< 1748556783 393393 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the usual rule is "they start with DO or PLEASE" but there are exceptions which I don't fully understand and probably aren't consistent between compilers
< 1748556811 323449 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in particular the command READ OUT can be spelled without whitespace but despite READOUT having "DO" in the middle it doesn't usually start a new statement
< 1748556848 763877 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think C-INTERCAL doesn't lex DO inside READOUT in much the same way that C doesn't lex > inside >>
< 1748556900 450047 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hah, imagine READONTUT
< 1748556907 238584 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, the post that defines (0) covers that, the loop counter variable is essentially just a copy of the hidden loop counter that's incremented in every iteration, so you can modify it but that won't make the loop run more times
< 1748556911 796323 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: DON'T has an apostrophe in
< 1748556926 144026 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(which is comparable to writing a keyword in C that contains a parenthesis)
< 1748556939 683096 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: ah, I see
< 1748556948 948156 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: READ OUT => I see
< 1748556962 132859 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I forgot how INTERCAL does this.
< 1748556983 900764 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also kind of wanted to spell it as READONUT
< 1748556987 563472 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PLEASEN'T is also acceptable as a synonym I think (although INTERCAL compilers have generally collectively agreed to never use it)
< 1748557022 730796 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, INTERCAL programmers, not compilers
< 1748557030 275230 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :er, REAPLEASEUT
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< 1748557183 343927 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least one person has interpreted INTERCAL's spec as whitespace being completely irrelevant, so you can put it even inside keywords, literals, etc.
< 1748557254 737733 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIRC two things that the writeup about (0) doesn't define is the order of evaluation when there are multiple function calls that don't depend on each other's result, and if your implementation makes the order variable you could sneak in additional power there; and what happens if you try to break a loop in a lower stack frame
< 1748557281 571620 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :INTERCAL-72 is known to allow '. to be written as ! (i.e. superimposing the two adjacent characters) which is a form of whitespace change, I guess
< 1748557289 556592 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I also interpreted INTERCAL as whitespace being irrelevant so you can even put space inside keywords
< 1748557291 243639 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unicode U+1F430
< 1748557293 881295 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​🐰
< 1748557309 168260 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode ​🐰
< 1748557311 647339 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE] [U+1F430 RABBIT FACE]
< 1748557353 665639 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the original manual mentioned superimposing " and . into a rabbit face, but there was no way to encode it until Unicode added one
< 1748557489 243536 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also noteworthy: BMI2 adding hardware support for INTERCAL's select operator to x86 and x86-64; C-INTERCAL, of course, detects this in the configure script rather than using cpuid at runtime like you're supposed to)
> 1748558756 876394 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158683&oldid=158602 5* 03Buckets 5* (+14) 10
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> 1748558895 761608 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Imitate14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158685 5* 03Buckets 5* (+3338) 10Created page with "Imitate is an Esoteric programming language created by [[User:Buckets]] in 2019, 2021 and 2022, All very Different from each other, Sharing the Same Name.  == Imitate (2019) ==  On December 29th, 2019, [[User:Buckets]] Created the First Instance of Imitate, for the Purp
> 1748558927 811153 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Imitate14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158686&oldid=158685 5* 03Buckets 5* (+36) 10
> 1748559012 78929 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Buckets14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158687&oldid=158684 5* 03Buckets 5* (+30) 10
< 1748559629 663763 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :That isn't the rabbit of INTERCAL though; it is the rabbit face emoji, which is difference
< 1748559760 848053 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is a way to encode the INTERCAL one though, but not in Unicode. It can be encoded in ASCII by using a backspace in between, or if another character set is made up, which can support it better.
< 1748559808 971264 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, I think the use of DO that will end comment might be, that a program Knuth wrote mentions a 5-bit teleprinter code, which I think means Baudot code but they did not call it that because of the use of DO in INTERCAL.
< 1748559910 256163 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I think these are supposed to be on 12-column punch cards, and you overlay two characters by punching them into the same column
< 1748559938 322852 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the program that is
< 1748560005 749359 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which means you may need to read it with a card reader that can encode those specific overlayed characters to EBCDIC in a way that doesn't conflict with other characters used in INTERCAL 
< 1748560123 65776 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Then it can be encoded using punch card codes, is another way (and, would probably be the "proper" way, if it was designed for such a thing). If a way to use a card reader to encode them in EBCDIC in a way that does not conflict with the other characters, that will help with using with computers with 8-bit bytes like most computers do now.
< 1748560747 82387 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although, I think CLC-INTERCAL already has its own variant of EBCDIC anyways (which uses ASCII control codes rather than EBCDIC control codes)
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< 1748561061 169097 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how do control codes come up? they shouldn't occur in an intercal program
< 1748561120 549397 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Carriage return and line feed can occur, I think
< 1748561264 81697 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the original INTERCAL-72 carriage return wasn't possible, space was represented by literally changing which columns you punched out, and "newline" was a change from one punch card to then ext
< 1748561375 929767 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, for the INTERCAL-72 character set you would be correct, but CLC-INTERCAL character set has carriage return and line feed control codes.
< 1748561814 244606 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, the cards are fixed 80 character length, so you read them to a fixed width record format file, there's no line feeds or carraige returns, 
< 1748562000 3624 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :space exists, but I don't think it counts as a control character.
< 1748565343 851798 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Something unrelated to the above) There is a Ansilove program to convert various character-based graphics formats (ANSI art, XBIN, etc) into PNG, but I had made a different program which can convert these formats between each other (it can also render them as farbfeld).
< 1748566232 945254 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :So far I have several formats, but are there some other formats that you think I might have missed?
< 1748566248 976959 :X-Scale!~NorthStar@60.70.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :NorthStar
< 1748566782 812144 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
> 1748567023 907842 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish/Implementations (M-Z)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158688&oldid=149165 5* 03RobinsAviary 5* (+771) 10/* Rust */
< 1748571059 175152 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: VT100-style terminal codes, perhaps?
< 1748571072 586796 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit
< 1748571157 985952 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did implement some of the VT100-style terminal codes (that is what the "ANSI art" format is, although some of the escape codes are those used in DOS, and a few other things such as "doorway mode").
> 1748572434 896518 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Translated SLet/3/Hotcrystal014]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158689 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+715) 10Created page with "Huh? I mentioned that you added something strange, including me, and all ConwayLife moderators?? --~~~~"
> 1748572584 550730 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Where is my esolang?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158690&oldid=145102 5* 03I am islptng 5* (-58) 10
> 1748572793 870084 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158691&oldid=158439 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+732) 10/* Why inactive on ConwayLife? */ new section
< 1748574815 172728 :X-Scale!~NorthStar@60.70.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
> 1748578481 513639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03E342212 5*  10New user account
> 1748578608 25224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158692&oldid=158666 5* 03E342212 5* (+108) 10
> 1748578634 869739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:E4221214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158693 5* 03E342212 5* (+3) 10Created page with "Yee"
> 1748578747 94183 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:E34221214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158694 5* 03E342212 5* (+83) 10Created page with "Yee. (I don't know what else to say lol) Also here's my esolang.[[Obscura|Obscura]]"
< 1748581103 870536 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord
< 1748581122 858434 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1748581189 543633 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life
> 1748583376 891574 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Happy Ghast14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158695 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+1395) 10Created page with "After [[Toad (Pit Crew)]] got relevant to my ideas, it's time for a new one, and this time is from a rideable mob that was announced for Minecraft in March 2025. But, here's the difference, if you harness a Happy Ghast, YOU CAN FLY WITH IT!  '''Happy Ghast''' is a 
> 1748583491 261449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158696&oldid=158573 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+39) 10
> 1748583575 78511 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158697&oldid=158571 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+102) 10
> 1748584657 748911 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158698&oldid=158691 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+371) 10/* Why inactive on ConwayLife? */
< 1748585419 333067 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:5da2:ba0:a157:afb4 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
> 1748586759 76510 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Happy Ghast14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158699&oldid=158695 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+2) 10
> 1748587311 913848 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PythBrSc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158700&oldid=151223 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+794) 10/* Examples */
> 1748587820 178435 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pn14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158701 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+500) 10Created page with "'''Pn''' is a '''P'''ytho'''n''' variant created by islptng.  == Syntax == It was designed to reduce the keystrokes in Python programming.  Instead using indents and newlines, we use brackets and semicolons, just like C.  However, we have "short keywords". 
 A = and 
> 1748588661 246938 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158702&oldid=158701 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+803) 10
> 1748588811 92020 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158703&oldid=158702 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+6) 10
> 1748589149 437440 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158704&oldid=158703 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+34) 10
> 1748589341 316914 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PythJS14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158705 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+1482) 10Created page with "What happens if you take the syntax of JavaScript and take the newlines and indentation of Python? You get '''PythJS'''!  '''PythJS''' is a esolang by Mihai Popa. It's JavaScript with newlines and indentation (no brackets, no semi-colons at end of lines), just like in P
> 1748589360 199244 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158706&oldid=158704 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+6) 10/* Syntax */
> 1748589361 188926 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PythJS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158707&oldid=158705 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+8) 10
> 1748589366 776262 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158708&oldid=158706 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+6) 10/* Interpreter */
> 1748589445 728883 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158709&oldid=158708 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+3) 10
> 1748589696 592763 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PythJS/Examples14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158710 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+9159) 10Created page with "{{Back|PythJS}} == Examples == === A more complex example, a JavaScript function that converts numbers to words === JavaScript: 
 function toWords(number, language) {   if (language == "English") {     // From 1 to 12 and zero!     if (number == 0) return("
> 1748589821 94795 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158711&oldid=158696 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+53) 10
> 1748589844 463970 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158712&oldid=158683 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+12) 10
> 1748589867 178624 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158713&oldid=158712 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+1) 10/* P */ Fixed syntax error.
> 1748590048 509331 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158714&oldid=158711 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+0) 10Updated number.
< 1748590167 289169 :X-Scale!~NorthStar@60.70.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :NorthStar
< 1748590375 187405 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:5da2:ba0:a157:afb4 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1748590606 302902 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
> 1748594130 441024 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-HELL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158715&oldid=157028 5* 03Yetyetty1234567890 5* (-451) 106guty5f
< 1748595248 813961 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:5da2:ba0:a157:afb4 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
< 1748597510 463446 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1748597539 281007 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron (they/them)
> 1748597781 175886 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158716&oldid=158667 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+91) 10
> 1748598718 970714 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated SLet/3/PSTF Again+14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158717 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+7312) 10Created page with "What the [[Translated SLet/3/Hotcrystal0|fck]]!!!!!!  1. Take the . 
 Wines from Het..."
> 1748598890 546766 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated SLet/3/Hotcrystal014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158718&oldid=158673 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+38) 10
> 1748599958 228861 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Python But WORST14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158719&oldid=145094 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+341) 10
> 1748602040 332884 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User:E4221210]]": not a user (and appears to be a typoed page title  the author created the page at the correct title shortly afterwards)
< 1748602079 900855 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1748603589 347144 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ls /bin/as-*
< 1748603592 204346 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ls: cannot access '/bin/as-*': No such file or directory
< 1748603597 458749 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ls /hackenv/bin/as-*
< 1748603599 346872 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/as-encoding
< 1748603604 430500 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`as-encoding cltq
< 1748603606 190423 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :48 98: cltq
< 1748603724 67058 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`as-encoding cdqe
< 1748603725 745736 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :48 98: cltq
< 1748603899 892990 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:5da2:ba0:a157:afb4 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
> 1748604147 326166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Pifrited/TopNote14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158720&oldid=158489 5* 03Pifrited 5* (+242) 10/* Commands */
> 1748604997 731098 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dionysus14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158721 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+4310) 10Created page with "{{AKA|title=Bacchus}}  Dionysus is an esoteric programming language designed by PSTF. It is based on random technique. = About the name = Dionysus (Greek: ) was the god of wine in ancient Greek mythology, also known as Bacchus. He is not only the god of wine, but
> 1748605058 6782 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dionysus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158722&oldid=158721 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (-2) 10
< 1748605196 332579 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
> 1748605278 609047 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158723&oldid=158713 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+15) 10
> 1748605422 255061 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158724&oldid=158716 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+32) 10
> 1748605521 197534 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158725&oldid=158724 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+8) 10
< 1748605590 953780 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname
> 1748605676 919563 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158726&oldid=131083 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+245) 10
< 1748605932 162912 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi APic
< 1748605942 482970 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`as-encoding movzdq %eax, %rax
< 1748605945 664634 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​{standard input}: Assembler messages: \ {standard input}:1: Error: no such instruction: `movzdq %eax,%rax'
< 1748605973 175467 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`as-encoding movzx %eax, %rax
< 1748605974 886265 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​{standard input}: Assembler messages: \ {standard input}:1: Error: unsupported syntax for `movzx'
< 1748606005 393769 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`as-encoding movzx %rax, %eax
< 1748606007 66538 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​{standard input}: Assembler messages: \ {standard input}:1: Error: unsupported syntax for `movzx'
< 1748606017 874050 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1748606021 260644 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`as-encoding movsdq %eax, %rax
< 1748606023 90818 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​{standard input}: Assembler messages: \ {standard input}:1: Error: invalid instruction suffix for `movsd'
< 1748606028 268388 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`as-encoding movsd %eax, %rax
< 1748606029 602231 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​{standard input}: Assembler messages: \ {standard input}:1: Error: operand type mismatch for `movsd'
< 1748606034 781899 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`as-encoding movsq %eax, %rax
< 1748606036 170687 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​{standard input}: Assembler messages: \ {standard input}:1: Error: operand type mismatch for `movs'
< 1748606044 674502 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`as-encoding movsx %eax, %rax
< 1748606047 421396 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :48 63 c0: movslq %eax,%rax
< 1748606050 581301 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there we go
< 1748606073 797832 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heya ais523 
> 1748606217 770807 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:I am islptng/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158727&oldid=157987 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1098) 10
> 1748606376 859414 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:I am islptng/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158728&oldid=158727 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+65) 10
< 1748606431 97847 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can it do Intel-Syntax, too?
< 1748606601 808454 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`as-encoding .intel_syntax noprefix; movsx rax, eax
< 1748606604 447277 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :48 63 c0: movslq %eax,%rax
< 1748606613 993957 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes in the input, I don't think it does it in the output though
< 1748606861 639987 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The `objdump` tool could do it (via a command-line argument), but that wrapper doesn't have a way to put that in.
< 1748606952 493171 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` echo ".intel_syntax noprefix; movsx rax, eax" | as -o /tmp/out.o - && objdump -M intel -d /tmp/out.o | grep -P '^ *[0-9a-f]+:' | sed 's/^[^\t]*\t//; s/ *\t/: /g'
< 1748606954 477609 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :48 63 c0: movsxd rax,eax
< 1748606972 6288 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :ic
< 1748607164 115361 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:6d02:5019:61fb:28ff JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
< 1748607277 684304 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, "movsxd" is not Intel's name for the instruction – I am OK with non-Intel names when using AT&T syntax, but it seems weird in Intel syntax
> 1748607495 636810 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated SLet/3/Hotcrystal014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158729&oldid=158718 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+136) 10
< 1748607631 328701 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe I should install nasm and ndisasm, that's the Intel syntax flavor I'm familiar with.
> 1748607644 59717 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated SLet/3/PSTF Again+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158730&oldid=158717 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+48) 10
< 1748607650 37781 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION too

> 1748608246 749715 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Pifrited/TopNote14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158731&oldid=158720 5* 03Pifrited 5* (+809) 10
> 1748608991 392902 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated SLet/3/PSTF Again+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158732&oldid=158730 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+76) 10
> 1748609229 187322 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated SLet/3/Hotcrystal0 2nd time14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158733 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+7149) 10Created page with "[[Translated SLet/3/PSTF Again+|What?]]  1. Take the shit. 
 It's just part of what's important for you to find a place where you can find a place where you can find a place where you can find a place where you can
> 1748609247 442889 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated SLet/3/Hotcrystal0 2nd time14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158734&oldid=158733 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+1) 10
> 1748609426 525273 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated SLet/3/Hotcrystal0 2nd time14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158735&oldid=158734 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+33) 10
< 1748609654 282744 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:6d02:5019:61fb:28ff QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
> 1748610106 227742 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nice is plushie-complete14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158736&oldid=135766 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+21) 10
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< 1748611148 944037 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :heck, yet another unreachable website: http://yasm.tortall.net/ this one was supposed to have another assembler program 
< 1748611252 64909 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot head http://yasm.tortall.net/
< 1748611269 163911 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
> 1748611470 442238 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07No Instructions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158737&oldid=119083 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+263) 10
> 1748611531 358325 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07No Instructions14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158738&oldid=158737 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+0) 10
< 1748612064 888324 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen
< 1748612773 940796 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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> 1748614309 315234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:I am islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158739&oldid=158568 5* 03Pifrited 5* (+237) 10/* What do you think of TopNote? */ new section
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> 1748615800 355494 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:I am islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158742&oldid=158740 5* 03Pifrited 5* (+209) 10/* What do you think of TopNote? */
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> 1748616270 603324 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:I am islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158744&oldid=158743 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+351) 10/* What do you think of TopNote? */
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> 1748616900 314999 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Pifrited/TopNote14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158746 5* 03Cycwin 5* (+91) 10Created page with ",?--[[User:Cycwin]]"
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> 1748617258 393891 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:I am islptng14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158748&oldid=158744 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-20) 10/* What do you think of TopNote? */
> 1748618069 667145 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07When statement14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158749&oldid=133995 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+3) 10/* See Also */
> 1748618841 99693 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BitChanger Busy beaver/Proof14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158750&oldid=156152 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+21) 10
> 1748618970 185698 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158751&oldid=158631 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+63) 10/* 2025 */
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> 1748622567 900688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tedium14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158752 5* 03Helpeesl 5* (+1297) 10Created page with "== Intro == Tedium is an esolang created by [[user:Helpeesl]] and is designed to take as long as possible to do anything. == The commands == === The commands in their base form ===  -A Subtracts the next to top item of stack A from the top item of stack A  ~AB Takes the
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> 1748626928 712463 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CanCan14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158754 5* 03EsolangFloris 5* (+1049) 10Make page for the CanCan language.
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> 1748631240 413517 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Aadenboy 5*  10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:SmolderNodes101.png10]]": prettier graph
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> 1748632941 118590 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07When statement14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158759&oldid=158749 5* 03Corbin 5* (+2518) 10Okay, it's been nine months; let's fix this page up. First, actors.
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> 1748634330 637353 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Aadenboy 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:SmolderNetwork.png10]]": The entire network of [[Smolder]] cells.
> 1748634576 969138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Aadenboy 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:SmolderSelfContainedRing.png10]]": The self-contained ring of [[Smolder]] cells.
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> 1748634748 29531 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Smolder14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158762&oldid=158678 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+1212) 10some more interesting revelations
> 1748634783 385912 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07When statement14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158763&oldid=158759 5* 03Corbin 5* (+2417) 10Hey guys, did you know that in terms of constraint-handling and programming languages, CHR is the most compatible handler for languages? Not only is it in the logical-language group, which is mostly comprised of Prologs, CHR are an average of
> 1748634967 946131 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07When statement14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158764&oldid=158763 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+133) 10comments in the pseudocode example. might be incorrect!
< 1748635515 365546 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: on the subject of a when-statement, I am reminded of "always" from Verilog, which I don't fully understand but seems to be similar
< 1748635546 604399 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Another great example. I'm not confident enough with HDLs to whip out that section, but I'll do the research to understand what to write.
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< 1748635682 578002 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it must be up there with the weirdest names for control flow instructoins
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< 1748636241 998701 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually the thing that confuses me most about HDLs is how behavioural and procedural code interact
< 1748636261 465472 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I understand both in on their own, but they are so different from each other that it's hard to understand what happens if you put them both into the same program
< 1748636325 732618 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that the code that does something even if you put it in the body of an if(0)?
< 1748636362 855692 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess come-from can do that too
< 1748636430 53981 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, OK, this explains both of the things i was confused about, I think: https://stackoverflow.com/a/36273866
< 1748636497 908875 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and is a very easy-to-understand description of what always actually does)
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> 1748640044 576636 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158767&oldid=158723 5* 03Buckets 5* (+15) 10
> 1748640071 613733 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Buckets14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158768&oldid=158687 5* 03Buckets 5* (+14) 10
> 1748640087 968362 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ATAL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158769 5* 03Buckets 5* (+1469) 10Created page with "A.T.A.L. is an Esoteric programming language created by [[User:Buckets]] in 2023.  {| class="wikitable" |- ! Commands !! Instructions |- | i.a, || Set the Variable a to The User Input. |- | o.b, || Print out the Variable b. |- | "".c, || Set What is within the Quotes into 
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> 1748640591 293185 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:When statement14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158770&oldid=134000 5* 03Corbin 5* (+883) 10Just keep rambling on.
> 1748640623 62682 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Buckets 5*  10moved [[02ATAL10]] to [[A.T.A.L.]]
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> 1748641596 49405 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Uyjhmn n14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158773&oldid=149928 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+2892) 10/* still less verbose than java */ new section
> 1748641606 415897 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Uyjhmn n14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158774&oldid=158773 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+258) 10/* still less verbose than java */
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> 1748646406 689162 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:SLet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158777&oldid=152715 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+432) 10/* comparison */ new section
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> 1748648450 10211 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158778&oldid=158161 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+801) 10
> 1748649052 967435 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Pifrited/TopNote14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158779&oldid=158746 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+754) 10/*  */ new section
> 1748650422 368459 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:SLet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158780&oldid=158777 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+643) 10/* comparison */
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< 1748657264 75824 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The SyncTERM documentation says CSI Ps ; Pn1 ; Pn2 ; Pn3 t is used for setting 24-bit colours if Ps is 0 or 1, but xterm documentation says CSI 8 ; height ; width t is used for setting the screen size in characters. This does not conflict, but I don't know if either program will be confused by each other's use of CSI t, and SyncTERM does not seem to have any command to program the terminal size (but there is a command to read it).
> 1748657579 943453 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated SLet/3/PSTF Again++14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158782 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+14080) 10Created page with "What the [[Translated SLet/3/Hotcrystal0 2nd time|fck]]!!!!!!  1. Take the . 
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> 1748657616 736242 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Funciton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158783&oldid=158462 5* 03Timwi 5* (+2187) 10Arrays (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqoGbFHmVxM)
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> 1748657871 552395 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Aadenboy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158785&oldid=157503 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1049) 10/* Collaborative language about Radicals */ new section
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< 1748661662 875192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_semiring
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> 1748663787 853231 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158794&oldid=158698 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1020) 10/* Rate of me */ new section
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> 1748664883 980963 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158796&oldid=158794 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+307) 10/* Rating */
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< 1748665006 600640 :Guest37!~Guest37@83.219.249.131 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was wondering is there's anything like state elimination for FSA, but for turing machines. I know that a turing machine can not be reduced to a regular expression, but maybe at least some reduction is possible.
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> 1748672680 338524 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Transet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158802&oldid=117350 5* 03Cycwin 5* (+205) 10/* Another proof? */ new section
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> 1748672895 718727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Transet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158804&oldid=158802 5* 03Cycwin 5* (+90) 10/* Another proof? */
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> 1748673605 141818 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Transet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158806&oldid=158805 5* 03Cycwin 5* (+211) 10/* Another proof? */
> 1748673922 82980 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Transet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158807&oldid=158806 5* 03Cycwin 5* (+32) 10/* Another proof? */
> 1748674295 803637 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Transet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158808&oldid=158807 5* 03Cycwin 5* (+38) 10/* Another proof? */
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> 1748680615 426575 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158809&oldid=158800 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+1) 10/* Users */
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> 1748684782 668892 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Translated SLet/3/PSTF Again++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158810&oldid=158789 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1876) 10
> 1748685460 386242 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tskastic/Command Table14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158811&oldid=158465 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+178) 10
> 1748685614 291696 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Pifrited/TopNote14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158812&oldid=158795 5* 03Pifrited 5* (+719) 10
> 1748685870 188566 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Pifrited/TopNote14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158813&oldid=158812 5* 03Pifrited 5* (-34) 10
> 1748687402 503117 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Pifrited/TopNote14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158814&oldid=158813 5* 03Pifrited 5* (+544) 10
< 1748687540 415573 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1748687557 795968 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi *
< 1748687559 566501 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Celebrate Syaday!
< 1748687561 627882 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hail Eris!    😇
< 1748688104 981615 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hail Eris. No better explanation for why I'm still awake.
< 1748688175 766417 :X-Scale!~NorthStar@83.223.232.248 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :NorthStar
< 1748688294 362548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`' discord
< 1748688296 887664 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output.
< 1748688316 288502 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`grwp discord
< 1748688318 767884 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :discord:The unofficial Esolangs and code golf Discord server: https://discord.gg/3UXSK5p
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> 1748688485 567562 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Pifrited/TopNote14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158816&oldid=158779 5* 03Pifrited 5* (+162) 10/*  */
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> 1748693400 854525 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ON THE WAY TO WHO KNOWS WHERE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158817&oldid=94735 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+139) 10
> 1748693584 949336 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158818&oldid=158799 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+80) 10
> 1748693630 2453 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158819&oldid=158818 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-2) 10
> 1748697856 746249 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None1/InDev14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158820&oldid=140844 5* 03None1 5* (+85) 10
> 1748697920 779816 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07XVector14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158821&oldid=158406 5* 03None1 5* (+1) 10
< 1748698574 876813 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname
> 1748698627 509043 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None1/InDev14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158822&oldid=158820 5* 03None1 5* (+42) 10
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> 1748698694 15208 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RegRep14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158823&oldid=156495 5* 03Arutonee 5* (+558) 10Added example for addition and subtraction
> 1748698891 946383 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Pifrited/TopNote14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158824&oldid=158815 5* 03Pifrited 5* (+244) 10
> 1748699080 466828 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Pifrited 5*  10moved [[02User:Pifrited/TopNote10]] to [[TopNote]]
> 1748699080 483711 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Pifrited 5*  10moved [[02User talk:Pifrited/TopNote10]] to [[Talk:TopNote]]
< 1748699493 53832 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen
> 1748701719 104199 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158829&oldid=158819 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+390) 10
< 1748704791 149096 :gAy_Dragon!A_D@libera/staff/dragon NICK :GAy_Dragon
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> 1748707323 916287 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158830&oldid=154876 5* 03B jonas 5* (+108) 10
> 1748707362 724320 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158831&oldid=158809 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+75) 10/* Users */
< 1748707429 449680 :GAy_Dragon!A_D@libera/staff/dragon NICK :gAy_Dragon
> 1748707474 373279 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158832&oldid=158831 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+126) 10/* Users */
> 1748707488 97924 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158833&oldid=158832 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+0) 10/* Users */
< 1748707835 226400 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fc9:5401:dcde:ab0f:3996:ed7c JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic
> 1748708976 633692 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne/Draft14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158834&oldid=158130 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+1515) 10
> 1748709444 155937 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne/Draft14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158835&oldid=158834 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+273) 10
> 1748709916 62884 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158836&oldid=158833 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+24) 10
> 1748710417 536987 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(-)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158837&oldid=150329 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+159) 10
> 1748710472 257469 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AEFLPCP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158838&oldid=137213 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+10) 10
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> 1748710551 448787 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF (BestCoder)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158839&oldid=131219 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+59) 10
> 1748710593 403170 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Afefoj14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158840&oldid=153356 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+8) 10
> 1748710619 583605 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Burroughs 5000 assembly language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158841&oldid=139040 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+10) 10
> 1748710731 998659 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Candidates for deletion14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=158842 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+293) 10Created page with "This page is for pages that should be deleted.  If you see the page that should be deleted, please add it here.  [[User:ais523]], if you see this page, please delete all pages that are listed here.  == Candidates for deletion ==  * [[(mark]] * [
> 1748710872 285779 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158843&oldid=158404 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+198) 10/* Candidates for deletion */ new section
> 1748710900 578392 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158844&oldid=158836 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+45) 10/* Current strategy */
< 1748711119 210439 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen
> 1748711189 929209 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158845&oldid=158843 5* 03Ais523 5* (+351) 10/* Candidates for deletion */ it's probably a bad idea to create new admin processes without prior discussion
> 1748711427 406011 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10moved [[02Candidates for deletion10]] to [[Esolang:Candidates for deletion]]: created in the wrong namespace
> 1748711470 468927 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Candidates for deletion14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158847&oldid=158846 5* 03Ais523 5* (-60) 10not an official Esolang process, but it might be useful to have somewhere that people can suggest pages that need deletion
> 1748711639 902919 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158848&oldid=158844 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+8) 10
> 1748711665 264034 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158849&oldid=158845 5* 03TenBillionPlusOne 5* (+8) 10/* Candidates for deletion */
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> 1748715884 627716 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158850&oldid=158829 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+94) 10
< 1748716554 857942 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is it possible with TLS for a client to send multiple certificate chains to the server with the same connection so that multiple certificate chains are usable at the same time?
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> 1748718677 379194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Whenever14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=158851&oldid=146679 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+43) 10/* Calculator */
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< 1748722434 656682 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even if it is not, there are a few ways to do such a thing anyways, such as by making nested TLS connections, or by storing a certificate chain inside of another certificate (although this will only work if both chains end with the same key, I think; and there may be a limit of the size of the certificate)
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< 1748726501 827477 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In ZZT, a board grid can have several elements and one of these is Lines; for simplicity we can have Lines, Edges, Beams, and Others.
< 1748726603 210803 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Line is displayed as a box drawing character with lines extending in whichever of the four directions there is a Edge or Line adjacent. Beams show as either east/west or north/south (regardless of what is adjacent).
< 1748726655 861212 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you have an existing grid of box drawing characters (and some of which are blank), can you minimize the number of Others (so that it can be drawn using Lines, Edges, and Beams as much as possible)?
< 1748727112 646184 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how is an Edge drawn if it's next to a Line?
< 1748727353 736475 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Edges always appear blank, whether or not it is next to a Line. (For the purposes merely of display (although not for the behaviour), this is actually unnecessary because you can set foreground colours same as background colours, but for the problem I am describing, we can ignore colours since the result will be the same regardless of the colours.)
< 1748727435 387090 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, so an Edge allows a Line to extend to the edge of the character box rather than ending in the middle
< 1748727442 472886 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes.
< 1748727464 786394 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although IIRC codepage 437 doesn't have line drawing characters that end in the middle, Unicode does)
< 1748727528 366203 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :ZZT uses the double lines, and for the cases where it should end in the middle, uses the ones with single lines perpendicular to the double lines, so that the double lines can end in the middle.
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< 1748733115 188971 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good Night