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02:28:18 <esolangs> [[Guess]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159216&oldid=159214 * Helpeesl * (+79) 
02:39:10 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159217&oldid=154831 * NomaniInt64 * (+970) /* Adds random games lol */
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06:02:25 <esolangs> [[User guessed]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=159218 * I am islptng * (+1134) Created page with "Inspired by [[User programmed]] and [[Guess]], everybody are welcomed to add commands, but implicitly. Created by [[User:I am islptng]].  == Rules == To add a command: # Write an example using it. # Add a row in the "Commands" and remember to put your name! To
06:03:08 <esolangs> [[User guessed]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159219&oldid=159218 * I am islptng * (+32) 
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06:07:11 <esolangs> [[!Assembly]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159221&oldid=158959 * H33T33 * (+213) 
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06:13:38 <esolangs> [[WTF]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159223&oldid=157879 * H33T33 * (+1) 
06:40:58 <esolangs> [[User guessed]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159224&oldid=159220 * I am islptng * (+0) 
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07:50:25 <esolangs> [[User guessed]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159226&oldid=159225 * I am islptng * (+84) Hahaha none of them was correct!
07:52:01 <esolangs> [[User guessed]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159227&oldid=159226 * I am islptng * (+76) /* Commands */
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09:22:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:User guessed]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=159229 * I am islptng * (+15) Created page with "Want some hint?"
09:25:22 <esolangs> [[User guessed]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159230&oldid=159228 * I am islptng * (+2) /* Commands */
09:26:55 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159231&oldid=159217 * MihaiEso * (+195) 
09:43:23 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159232&oldid=158499 * MihaiEso * (+1415) 
09:43:50 <esolangs> [[UserEdited/Versions]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159233&oldid=158005 * MihaiEso * (+23) 
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10:23:28 <APic> Hi *
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11:51:06 <esolangs> [[Talk:User guessed]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159234&oldid=159229 * PrySigneToFry * (+129) /* Collatz Sequence */ new section
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12:06:13 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159236&oldid=159232 * PrySigneToFry * (+388) 
12:21:42 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159237&oldid=159235 * Hotcrystal0 * (+30) 
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12:56:36 <esolangs> [[User guessed]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159238&oldid=159230 * I am islptng * (+184) /* Commands */
12:57:14 <esolangs> [[Talk:User guessed]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159239&oldid=159234 * I am islptng * (+633) 
13:20:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:User guessed]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159240&oldid=159239 * Hotcrystal0 * (+275) 
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14:43:37 <esolangs> [[User guessed]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159241&oldid=159238 * PrySigneToFry * (+109) 
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17:10:56 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159242&oldid=159210 * NomaniInt64 * (+0) /* Changing variable name */
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17:34:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Lex]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159243&oldid=158186 * Neon * (+83) 
17:34:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:Lex]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159244&oldid=159243 * Neon * (-3) 
17:35:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:Lex]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159245&oldid=159244 * Neon * (+3) 
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17:53:45 <esolangs> [[User:TenBillionPlusOne/Sandbox]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159250&oldid=159018 * TenBillionPlusOne * (+23) 
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18:11:35 <esolangs> [[Unsightreadable]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=159251 * Helpeesl * (+1975) A very unique language
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20:05:52 <int-e> `learn The password of the month is extremely shy and insecure.
20:05:58 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is extremely shy and insecure.
20:06:53 <int-e> (Surprisingly we haven't done "insecure" before. We have had "bad" and "suboptimal".)
20:52:30 <int-e> ah I forgot that I hate running into https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/items/generics.html#r-items.generics.const.standalone
20:56:25 <ais523> the compiler tries very hard to stop you doing type-level metaprogramming with const generics – I believe the reason is that it doesn't actually compile correctly yet
20:56:35 <ais523> there is an unstable feature to lift some of the restrictions
20:56:58 <int-e> eh it's this https://blog.rust-lang.org/2021/02/26/const-generics-mvp-beta/#const-generics-with-complex-expressions
20:57:15 <int-e> plus the deviation from C++ that Rust actually wants to type-check generics *before* they are instantiated
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20:58:09 <int-e> I don't hate the design decision but the resulting limitations are kind of annoying
20:59:13 <ais523> checking before is actually a really good feature I think, even though it makes programs harder to write
21:00:06 <ais523> libraries can be type-checked in isolation rather than having to be checked separately for every possible program that uses them (which is good both in its own right and because it makes error messages better)
21:00:51 <int-e> macros kind of are the replacement for C++ templates, but their syntax looks awful (and you don't get the benefit of the compiler figuring out which versions to instantiate)
21:01:24 <ais523> I find I often use generics kind-of like newtypes – it prevents me ever accidentally mixing two types that should be different because the compiler doesn't know the concrete type of the generic at the time of type-checking
21:01:35 <int-e> anyway, I guess the const FOO: u32 = include!("/dev/fd/3"); hack I came up for varying one constant in my code will live for a bit longer
21:01:42 <ais523> so it's more secure than a newtype because you can't even manually convert back and forth
21:02:02 <ais523> int-e: I think there's an env! which is a cleaner way to do that sort of thing
21:02:24 <int-e> Maybe but how do I parse the resulting string into a u32?
21:02:29 <ais523> although I'm not sure how easy it is to parse the string at compile time
21:04:04 <ais523> bleh, u32::from_str_radix isn't const, I was hoping it would be
21:04:19 <int-e> and my code is currently so simple that I don't need any extra crates. so while https://docs.rs/konst/latest/konst/ exists I wouldn't want to use it
21:04:54 <ais523> oh, I also hate using extra crates
21:04:56 <int-e> I did consider  include!(env!("FOO"))  as a less dubious fallback.
21:06:31 <int-e> But being able to do that without temporary files felt kind of neat.
21:07:35 <int-e> Anyway, the fact that that crate exists suggests that this kind of parsing isn't built into the standard lib.
21:11:52 <int-e> (Oh and I definitely didn't want to use a fixed file name because I have a make file around this that might end up building several versions concurrently.)
21:12:23 <b_jonas> int-e: parse it with const FOO: u32 = u32::from_str_radix(env!("FOO"), 10);
21:14:20 <ais523> b_jonas: from_str_radix isn't const
21:14:33 <ais523> that was my first thought but it doesn't work (unless it became const more recently than my local rustc)
21:15:48 <b_jonas> https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/std/primitive.u32.html#method.from_str_radix says it's const
21:16:26 <APic> cu
21:19:12 <int-e> b_jonas: well that gives me a Result<u32, std::num::ParseIntError>, but none of the https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/result/enum.Result.html#method.unwrap_or variants appear to be const
21:19:20 <int-e> can I match in situ instead?
21:19:31 <b_jonas> dunno
21:20:01 <int-e> oh I can
21:21:19 <int-e> match ... { Ok(x) => x, _ => panic!("...") }
21:22:23 <int-e> that's annoying too; I tried unwrap()
21:28:58 <int-e> https://users.rust-lang.org/t/compile-time-const-unwrapping/51619 suggests that this used to be worse
21:30:54 <int-e> https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/option/enum.Option.html#method.unwrap *is* const
21:32:20 <int-e> I'll pester ##rust about it.
21:43:53 <esolangs> [[AGG]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159254&oldid=154268 * Mmph * (+33) 
21:44:18 <esolangs> [[AGG]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159255&oldid=159254 * Mmph * (-93) 
22:06:31 <int-e> b_jonas: anyway thanks. FWIW, I saw that Result::unwrap_or() isn't const and didn't look further because parsing is way harder so "surely" that wouldn't be const either.
22:07:45 <int-e> As a result (no pun intended), the dubious include!() is quite a bit shorter. Sad.
22:08:37 <int-e> Ironically there's include_str!() which does the opposite of what I'd like here ;-)
22:15:44 <b_jonas> int-e: I don't think there's a problem with include! for this, unless you want to include large amounts of data. though I don't really like the hard-coded file descriptor number. 
22:16:30 <int-e> b_jonas: I omitted the dubious part: using /dev/fd/3 as the source
22:17:07 <int-e> and compiling with `rustc ... 3<<<nnn`
22:24:39 <ais523> b_jonas: "const: 1.82.0", looks like it became vonst very recently
22:24:42 <ais523> * became const
22:33:16 <esolangs> [[User guessed]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=159256&oldid=159241 * I am islptng * (+45) 
22:41:30 <zzo38> I still like C programming language despite its problems, although some other things would help (such as compile-time execution), in general the other programming languages that try to be better than C, fail at it and have many of their own problems.
22:50:11 <zzo38> Although there are also some features that I had not seen in other programming languages including C, except sometimes assembly language, although that wouldn't be portable, anyways.
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22:55:49 <int-e> b_jonas: And the main reason that I think it's dubious is that I see no deep reason why include!() would read its input only once. Apart from efficiency I guess.
22:57:58 <zzo38> Does the documentation mention if it is supposed to read the input only once?
22:58:57 <int-e> nope
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