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05:59:13 <zzo38> Can stunnel or something similar be made to allow passing through the connection of the client is not using TLS, and is a custom method of certificate validation possible?
06:03:57 <zzo38> I know BearSSL has a callback function to implement your own certificate validation. BearSSL looks like it has many advantages, although TLS 1.3 is not implemented yet.
06:05:52 <zzo38> (BearSSL also has disadvantages, such as being a beta quality software, not TLS 1.3 yet)
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11:55:47 <b_jonas> ok, so I have a non-programming esoteric idea. let me explain.
11:57:24 <b_jonas> in ancient time, people wrote inscriptions in the phoenician alphabet in boustrophedic order, which means that lines of text were written alternatingly in left to right or right to left order, with letters mirrored to always face the way you're reading.
11:57:54 <b_jonas> later people changed to writing lines always in a fixed order, left to right for greek and right to left for hebrew.
11:58:35 <b_jonas> boustrophedic order is better for the reader because you have to move your eyes less to read, text read in a sequence is always in a continuous curve with no jumps in it.
11:59:30 <b_jonas> but admittedly fixed writing direction was a good compromise for *writing*, and kept becoming a better and better compromise. it's not clear how true this is but some say that left to right writing is better for right-handed people because your hand doesn't cover what you write and doesn't smudge out the ink.
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12:00:21 <b_jonas> fixed writing direction was easier for movable type typesetting because you needed to mold types with the letters in only one orientation. it became even better for typewriters, whose mechanism would have to be more complex for boustrophedic writing.
12:01:14 <b_jonas> this convenience of fixed-direction writing reached its peak in 1990s electronics, with home computers made of simple chips easily displaying fixed-direction text on a CRT that only renders graphics when the electron beam is moving in one direction.
12:02:31 <b_jonas> but now we're in 2025, not many people are handwriting with a quill or typesetting with movable type or using retrocomputers. the majority are displaying or printing text using electronic computers that are powerful enough to easily render boustrophedic text.
12:03:24 <b_jonas> so now is the time when returning to boustrophedic text would be worth, it would be better than keeping the fixed writing direction.
12:03:45 <b_jonas> and given that the earliest writing was boustrophedic, this wouldn't even be some kind of sacrilege that breaks with thousand year old tradition.
12:04:10 <b_jonas> but I'd like to argue that we should go further. boustrophedic would be better than fixed writing direction, but we should do even better.
12:05:04 <b_jonas> so you know that text is usually typeset or written in short lines of, say, 60 characters. longer lines make reading harder, and this is true regardless of whether you are using fixed writing direction or boustrophedon.
12:05:26 <b_jonas> if the media is wider than the ideal line length then we write in multiple columns, each only as wide as an ideal line.\
12:06:28 <b_jonas> this makes sense because readers with lots of experience don't need to consciously read one letter at a time, they take in whole syllables or words or phrases. this requires seeing those words or phrases without moving your eyes much.
12:07:43 <b_jonas> if a reader is so advanced that they can multiple lines then longer lines hurt them, because their eyes can see roughly as much left and right as top to bottom without moving, so long lines would just mean most of the area of vision up or down is wasted.
12:08:24 <b_jonas> admittedly most readers can't read more than one line without moving their eyes, but people at least sometimes skim text to search for particular phrases and then they might be able to treat a whole line at a time
12:09:09 <b_jonas> anyway, we want a writing order where text that should be read close to each other in sequence is close to each other, and unrelated text is usually not close.
12:09:49 <b_jonas> the solution is to write in a space-filling curve. for practical reasons of making the media rectangular, I propose writing in Peano-curve order.
12:10:35 <b_jonas> this would put letters in four orientation, right-down, right-up, left-down, left-up. you write in 3 by 3 blocks.
12:11:42 <b_jonas> in the first block you put the first three letters on the top of the block left to right, the first and third letter in the currently usual orientation, the second letter upside down. you put the next three letters in the middle height of the block from right to left, the fourth and sixth letter in flipped orientation and the fifth letter upside down.
12:12:22 <b_jonas> then you put the last three letter of the block in the bottom of the block left to right the same way as in the first three letters. then you continue to the second 3 by 3 block which is to the right of the first block and is upside down compared to it.
12:12:53 <b_jonas> etc. you get a nice space-filling curve where any continuous section of text is written in a nice compact blob that's mostly square shapred, never very long and skinny.
12:13:10 <b_jonas> the four orientations of the letters guide your eyes to the right reading order.
12:13:46 <b_jonas> if you have rectangular paper or screen, you can write 2x2 or 2x3 or 3x3 of the largest block that you can fit on it.
12:14:04 <b_jonas> what level of block depends on how large the media is and how large letters you want to use.
12:14:43 <b_jonas> no more too long lines or too tall columns, everything is layed out perfectly, and it's so easy to write that it barely consumes computers' resources.
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12:22:29 <b_jonas> we might want to adopt slightly different shapes of the letters that are more suited for this use, but that always happens when we change technology, like between writing onto soft clay slate with a reed, hand chileling into stone, carving into wood, writing on paper with a brush, writing with ink and quill, printing with movable type cast from lead, displaying letters on a CRT television, the ideal
12:22:35 <b_jonas> letter shapes that are a good compromise between ease of writing and ease of reading kept changing already, so it will keep changing once again.
12:23:33 <b_jonas> it will also change when we start telepathically uploading text to ouur brains instead of having to channel it through our vision, or chemically consume knowledge from vats or whatever currently unimaginable technology the future holds
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13:41:40 <b_jonas> by the way, we don't actually want to make the writing space-filling. the writing is still a self-similar fractal curve derived from an L-system similar to the space-filling Peano curve. but there'll be gaps between the large blocks of writing, so the blocks only touch where text is actually connected between them. the size of the gap is proportional to the size of the blocks. this is similar to how we
13:41:46 <b_jonas> currently have small gaps between letters, thicker gap between lines, even larger gap between columns, and even wider margins of the pages.
13:44:59 <b_jonas> imagine a microfilm image of a periodical if you wish, with the original bound sequence of pages rearranged so you get a rectangular array of pages, and each page may have multiple columns, with larger gaps between the pages than within.
13:48:14 <b_jonas> and yes, in theory when the size of the media (screen or paper) approaches infinity, this would mean our fractal writing has zero density and a dimension less than 1. but there are practical limitations for how big monitors or fold-out maps or plans get. even architects who are willing to carry technical drawings on two meter wide paper rolled up in a cylindrical bag have their limits.
13:48:50 <b_jonas> this is only the presentation form on monitors for humans anyway, the text isn't stored shaped like that on hard disks or SSDs.
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