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< 1752680498 887544 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still think that we are failing to prevent our users from harm when we allow them to submit ChatGPT output to the wiki.
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< 1752688744 586887 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: FWIW: all shape request sizes grow exponentially, but the random (MAM) shapes use a significantly lower base: https://paste.debian.net/1386189/ (this is obscured early on because the numbers are truncated to one or two decimal places)
< 1752688804 967738 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: so you get somewhat uneven levels: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-500.jpg (the crystal MAM is the newest so lagging far behind)
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< 1752691904 110675 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int: the level numbers in those boxes are confusing. 38, 42, 45, 46, 46, 49, 49, 48, 87, 50. 
< 1752691977 139546 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, are all ten of those series infinite?
< 1752693794 272879 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: yeah, each tracks its own level. the "operator level" is the sum of all of them
< 1752693859 776217 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see! Then I misunderstood you earlier, I thought there were only two independent infinite series of requested shapes.
< 1752693896 895799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are only two random ones, which are the most interesting to tackle
< 1752693907 444655 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This means that you don't lose time from latency, because you can alternate between series
< 1752693923 4753 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, the random ones are more interesting? why?
< 1752693952 855304 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because that's MAM territory
< 1752693964 583645 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I assumed the eight non-random ones were effectively random too (except in the first few dozen levels), just the same seeded sequence in every game, while the other two have different seeds in every map
< 1752693969 973611 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway I have two different MAMs
< 1752693981 736029 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do the first eight series do then?
< 1752693988 253969 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :No for the first 8 you just produce more and more of that one shape.
< 1752694018 332860 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, so those are like the three upgrade shapes plus the glue tape in Factorio 1
< 1752694020 392190 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :They're like the upgrade shapes in shapes 1.
< 1752694033 572370 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/Factorio/Shapez.io
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< 1752694081 914775 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is one of them train fuel?
< 1752694098 553453 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's technically still something to upgrade but the next one is at level 588 and would bump the "shape multiplier" that's currently at 5 to 6. It's not relevant.
< 1752694135 153805 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are no consumables at this difficulty. I think they have the blueprint thing on the next harder one. I don't think that there's anything for supporting infrastructure; it just runs.
< 1752694187 153053 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did find an older blog post about their alternative game mode... the idea there is that you get, on the map, converters that take in some shape and produce a new shape type that you can't harvest anywhere else.
< 1752694201 364995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So... that would be a consumable of sorts, I guess.
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< 1752694309 733467 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway. You *can* play the "numbers go up" game and then you will be scaling up your factory. I have only done this in moderation for this playthrough. I'll idle the last two shapes up to 100 to see if that adds a new twist (I rather doubt it, but they did one at level 50). And then probably look at the more complex shapes. There's a hexagonal shape mode too.
< 1752694411 832802 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suspect somebody will push this to level 1000; it should be within reach (based on what I have, and considering that it can probably be scaled up at least 8-fold and I still have less than 100h on this save file)
< 1752694446 532210 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Or maybe somebody *has* pushed it to level 1000; I don't know.)
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< 1752694676 390668 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"it's not relevant" - obviously the shape factor helps; a factor 5 is worth 160 levels asymptotically. But it doesn't significantly change the doubling = 70 levels math.
< 1752694882 568646 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Anyway, i think that the latency is still relevant because the two random shapes are generated differently so it's easier to have two distinct MAMs for the types. But it's less relevant in the long run because the delivery times will go up and eventually dwarf the switchover time.
< 1752694934 924913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Very much unlike shapes 1.
< 1752694957 283651 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shapez.io
< 1752695002 706855 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: well shapez 1 adds a new twist after a while, but it's not really a feature, rather the weird fps-related bugs and hard to predict speeds behave differently when your upgrade speeds are very high
< 1752695132 505939 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Right, I consider the latter a bug. I designed my MAMs for 10x speedup, never upgrading beyond that, for that reason.
< 1752695220 745738 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: anyway, to give you an idea: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-first-mams.jpg -- type 1 MAM to the top, type 2 MAM to the left. There's a bunch of shared stuff but the final processing is different. Oh and the bottom two 3x3 platforms contain shape processing logic; you can send signals globally and I used that quite a lot.
< 1752695328 547932 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And they both saturate 2 belts in the end... but they also take up so much space that scaling them up as is would be painful.
< 1752695464 754857 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, I spotted what's arguably a twist at level 80 of the crystal shape type
< 1752695494 216199 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but it's not one that I need to change my design for)
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< 1752695611 685899 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I blame the fact that UPS becomes an issue in shapez 1 mostly on Javascript. It does become a design constraint. And I was annoyed when I realized this because I had pretty much finished an 8xMAM design only to realize that it would be slower than expected because of the reduced update rate.
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