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08:43:11 <DOS_User_webchat> https://rentry.co/untitledlangxd i might or might not have made a tiny sized lisp dialect
08:43:39 <DOS_User_webchat> funniest part is, i cant even code in lisp
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10:22:44 <esolangs> [[User:Zobie211]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=161419&oldid=161394 * Zobie211 * (+74) Major Edit, sir. Mr President, sir. Lord Trump.
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11:22:11 <APic> Hi
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17:43:02 <korvo> sprout: Saw this and thought of you: https://distantprovince.by/posts/its-rude-to-show-ai-output-to-people/
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18:24:20 <FreeFull> It is very rude
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18:55:41 <esolangs> [[User:Zobie211]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=161438&oldid=161419 * Zobie211 * (-185) Replaced content with "iff i>u noop"
19:05:22 <sprout> korvo: whatever
19:05:39 <korvo> sprout: Still sore? You can stop using ChatGPT any time.
19:05:56 <sprout> I am not sore. You make everything personal and that got you kicked
19:06:06 <sprout> you're, in fact, trying that again
19:06:13 <sprout> make arguments, not attacks
19:07:41 <korvo> Okay, my argument is that a Markov model will always be stuck in System 3, regurgitating memes without any cogitation. I actually just drafted a writeup: https://awful.systems/post/5000835
19:07:47 <APic> GOod Night
19:08:41 <korvo> FWIW I'm not doing this for dunking or points, but to steer you away from ChatGPT psychosis. Nobody is immune; see this recent example: https://awful.systems/post/4993469
19:09:01 <sprout> all I ever said is that I found LLMs useful
19:09:14 <sprout> still do
19:09:26 <sprout> used it today to give me a piece of code
19:10:00 <korvo> Sure. Quoting that first post: relatively simple computer programs can not only imitate humans well enough to pass a Turing test, but humans prefer the imitations to each other. Put in more biological terms, such programs are “supernormal stimuli”; they appear “more human than human.”
19:10:22 <korvo> Further: this is somewhat worrying; humans not only cannot tell the difference between a human and System 3 alone, but prefer System 3 alone.
19:11:51 <korvo> sprout: I'm not blaming or attacking you any more than I'd attack or blame that one beetle for being attracted to brown glass bottles. Supernormal stimulus is definitionally more attractive than the real thing.
19:12:47 <sprout> you do you. I am not interested
19:12:51 <sprout> o7
19:15:38 <korvo> Well, I'd love to say "you do you" too, but only to the extent that you ensure that LLM output is responsibly disposed of, like toxic or radioactive material.
19:15:55 <sprout> bs
19:16:31 <korvo> Uranium glass is useful too, and quite beautiful, but should not be your first choice for serving food.
19:16:49 <sprout> this is a 'we use rockets since they're fallus shaped [1]. [1]: Freud' argument
19:17:05 <sprout> they are clearly useful to me since they save me time and effort
19:17:09 <sprout> so what
19:18:12 <korvo> Well, your argumentation and use of thought-terminating cliches (TTCs) is suggestive of System 3 analysis rather than System 2 dialectic. I have a quote from https://lobste.rs/s/nlwirr/thinking_fast_slow_not_at_all_system_3 about that.
19:18:20 <korvo> "This is important partially because it gives us an explanation for how folks can be carefully reasoning using what they think are cold hard System 2 tools, yet actually be completely bullshitting themselves and their audience. It also helps explain why some people get trapped in psuedo-logical worlds where they can only appeal to authority, to memes which they’ve heard a lot, and to basic aphorisms which they feel are commonsense."
19:19:43 <korvo> It has saved you so much time and effort that -- at least from emerging research -- you may be losing your ability to put in any cognitive effort beyond the minimum required to be satisfied with the reply.
19:20:00 <sprout> so. why would I care about that?
19:20:14 <sprout> it's a tool, I use tool
19:21:06 <sprout> you sound like the guys that objected writing since it would result in mental retardation since no one would need to remember anything anymore
19:21:09 <korvo> Well, I'm sure you've seen this paper going around: https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/ Developers using generative language-modeling tools may have *perceived* a 20% speedup while *experiencing* a 20% slowdown.
19:21:17 <sprout> I just don't care
19:21:59 <korvo> Well, you *do* care. You care so much that you kicked me from a channel for (1) pointing out that this is an issue and (2) not letting you off the hook emotionally or rhetorically for your usage of said tools.
19:22:17 <sprout> I kicked you off a channel for making stuff personal
19:22:32 <sprout> it wasn't the first time you did that either
19:22:51 <korvo> Well, I suppose I can be impersonal too: I don't think *anybody* should be using ChatGPT or pushing themselves into helplessness and psychosis with generative language.
19:22:56 <sprout> you seem to think you need to attack the person with an opinion instead of the opinion
19:23:14 <sprout> I will kick you again when I see you do that again
19:27:38 <korvo> You'd rather be an Internet Tough Guy than reflect upon your usage of a cognitohazardous tool and the harms it does to communities. Meanwhile, there's no "again"; I don't see why I should share resources with any community you administer.
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19:29:27 <sprout> and you made stuff personal _again_ and I am don't care. I am not here to fix your character flaws
19:29:37 <sprout> *-am
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20:17:52 <esolangs> [[Neb's Art]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=161441&oldid=161315 * Stkptr * (-12) The flip instruction means that the data stack is a deque, but also the push jumps can realize another data stack
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21:43:59 <esolangs> [[Talk:Mint]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=161457 * Aadenboy * (+371) Created page with "what's with the copyright notice at the bottom? what exactly is being copyrighted here? ~~~~"
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