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00:24:29 <int-e> ais523: there were a few weird related changes, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Shakespeare/RomeoetJulietenlosDos/Exeunt which contains mangled binary data from https://esolangs.org/wiki/File:Exit(all).png
00:25:15 <int-e> the image is some weird face, very weird
00:25:50 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Ais523 *  deleted "[[Shakespeare/RomeoetJulietenlosDos/Exeunt]]": not a description of an esolang, and does not contain useful informaiton
00:26:11 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Ais523 *  deleted "[[Shakespeare/RomeoetJulietenlosDos]]": not a description of an esolang, and does not contain useful informaiton
00:27:47 <ais523> looks like one or two users have been doing weird things with this all over a range of different namespaces
00:48:15 <esolangs> [[User talk:Zobie211]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=162150&oldid=161624 * Ais523 * (+2113) /* Strange edits from multiple accounts */ new section
00:48:44 <ais523> …and it was one user from two accounts, there is no way those are two different people
00:49:19 <ais523> I'll wait a few days to see if there's an explanation, and if not, continue deleting things
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04:19:31 <amyg> Hi.  Where can I learn about developing an esolang which is to be embedded in a C# application?  I don't want to have to figure this out from scratch if it can be helped.  I basically want LuaCSharp/MoonSharp/etc but for an esolang I make instead of a "proper language" like Lua.
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10:43:23 <APic> Hi
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16:16:59 <korvo> esolangs: Why are Turing tarpits no longer a central topic in computer science?
16:17:21 <esolangs> korvo: Turing tarpits, while fascinating, are no longer central to computer science because they are **theoretical constructs**. They are not practical languages or tools for real-world programming. The focus has shifted to languages with practical applications, like Python, Java, and C++, which are used for building real-world software.
16:17:35 <korvo> Bad phrasing aside, I'm curious as to how well the RAG interprets my current phrasing on [[Turing tarpit]].
16:17:58 <korvo> ...That doesn't taste very RAG'y. Rinkies, rhee-hee-hee.
16:18:21 <korvo> esolangs: When did Turing tarpits cease to be a central topic in computer science?
16:18:33 <esolangs> korvo: Turing tarpits are no longer a central topic in computer science. The concept, while intriguing, is largely considered a theoretical curiosity and has not led to practical applications or widespread adoption. The focus of computer science has shifted towards more practical and widely applicable languages and paradigms.
16:19:10 <korvo> Ah, okay, the historical narrative doesn't come through with enough nuance. Or maybe it's nuanced enough for humans but not bots.
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16:31:34 <esolangs> [[Timeline of esoteric programming languages]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=162187&oldid=148479 * Corbin * (+351) Add another TC milestone. Also, awawa.
17:06:57 <fizzie> If you get a response in just 10-20 seconds, chances are it didn't use any material from the wiki (but I'm too tired to check the logs). The "R" part of that RAG needs a lot more oomph to be useful.
17:10:29 <korvo> Ah, good point.
17:39:53 <b_jonas> I disagree with esolangs, Turing tarpits are more and more important as we are using software that's more and more complicated
17:41:35 <b_jonas> every game has some accidentally linspace-complete or turing-complete parts in it these days
17:48:16 <FireFly> esolangs: why are Turing tarpits no longer a central topic in theoretical computer science?
17:48:32 <esolangs> FireFly: Turing tarpits, while fascinating, are no longer central to theoretical computer science because they are **highly impractical and theoretical**. They are based on the idea of a "trapdoor function" that can be used to solve a problem in a way that is impossible to reverse. The concept of Turing tarpits is more of a thought experiment than a...
17:48:32 <esolangs> practical tool for solving real-world problems.
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18:28:37 <ais523> b_jonas: your comment reminds me of saying "person X is a famous Y", when person X is famous, and a Y, but not famous for being a Y
18:29:03 <ais523> there are lots of important Turing tarpits around nowadays, but they aren't notable for being Turing tarpits but for their intended use cases
18:29:49 <ais523> fwiw, I believe that NetHack is not currently Turing-complete, which saddens me
18:30:39 <b_jonas> ais523: is it at least linspace complete?
18:30:48 <b_jonas> I mean is it conjectured to be linspace complete?
18:30:56 <ais523> b_jonas: again I don't think so
18:31:07 <b_jonas> that's a pity
18:31:09 <ais523> at least if you think in terms of the game mechanics computing things
18:31:19 <ais523> it's PSPACE-complete in terms of the difficulty of solving a given game
18:31:23 <ais523> (because it embeds Sokoban)
18:31:35 <b_jonas> right
18:31:49 <b_jonas> only
18:32:09 <int-e> ais523: I quipped about not being able to name famous actors recently, and said that one of the examples I would be able to come up with would be Ronald Reagan ;-)
18:32:33 <ais523> int-e: that's a good example (although IIRC he was famous for being an actor before he was famous for being a president)
18:33:40 <b_jonas> I think in sokoban the memory is limited by a polynomial the total size of levels, which in nethack is only like eighty levels times 80 times 21 tiles (19 on most levels but there's one extra-tall quest level or something), whereas you can create an arbitrarily high amount of objects, so I wonder if it's also PSPACE-complete to solve with a limited number and size of levels but unlimited number of 
18:33:46 <b_jonas> objects 
18:34:40 <b_jonas> wasn't Reagan famous for being a businessman instead before being president? or am I confusing this with some other president?
18:35:08 <int-e> ais523: yeah my underatanding is that he was well-known enough for that background to help him get elected
18:35:33 <int-e> but still... it's definitely not what he's recognized for today :)
18:36:06 <b_jonas> int-e: the actor turned politician was Schwartzenegger, who was the actor of Terminator or Robocop or something and many other movies, and then became a US state governor; or Zelensky
18:36:21 <b_jonas> but there are probably lot of other actor turned politicians
18:36:28 <b_jonas> so maybe Reagan too
18:37:21 <int-e> b_jonas: Eh, Schwarzenegger is a famous actor in the proper sense.
18:37:54 <ais523> but is he a famous politician?
18:37:55 <int-e> (or was, depending on how timeless you consider movies to be)
18:38:40 <ais523> fame can fade over time, given that it's mostly defined by how many people have heard of someone
18:38:42 <int-e> I don't think that he's famous for his politicking.
18:38:47 <ais523> and the set of people changes over time
18:41:06 <korvo> Both Reagan and Schwarzenegger were actors first, and then governors of California, and the latter had the popularity to run for president but is ineligible.
18:41:24 <b_jonas> Robin Williams is timeless, and I hope nethack will eventually recolor djinns to bold cyan in his honor
18:41:40 <b_jonas> (unless it gets rid of djinn wishes)
18:41:48 <b_jonas> or bold blue maybe
18:41:52 <b_jonas> not cyan
18:41:55 <korvo> Schwarzenegger has a decent political legacy. He emphasized balanced budgets, social services, bipartisanship, and other reasonable popular-centrist stuff.
18:42:17 <int-e> so nothing that would stand out and make him famous :P
18:43:14 <int-e> (but also, yeah, fame definitely is subjective)
18:43:43 <b_jonas> Terminator made him famous in my generation
18:43:50 <b_jonas> and bodybuilding
18:44:00 <b_jonas> you're right that the politics carrier was a bit late
18:44:08 <korvo> Well, it's in fairly stark contrast to the two big parties, which in California epouse farmer-oriented populism and a particular neoliberal concept called "the California ideology" respectively. Schwarzenegger wasn't really on-board with policies that favored only farms or only Silicon Valley.
18:44:28 <b_jonas> and people probably know about the politics only because he was already famous as an actor
18:45:20 <ais523> aww, on the subject of "things that are Turing tarpits but famous for something else", I tried bison on a Post Correspondence Problem with -Wcounterexamples: it produced a nice proof that the grammar wasn't LR(1), but it didn't prove that it was ambiguous
18:45:46 <ais523> I was hoping to use its ambiguity counterexample finder as a Turing tarpit interpreter
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