> 1751328144 471661 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160706&oldid=158447 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+253) 10/* Implementation */ added my HTML interpreter
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< 1751329008 355789 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://sokyokuban.com/ , sokoban puzzle game played on a hyperbolic plane {4,5} tiling (5 squares meet at every corner), you have to push the crates onto the goals, but chests and goals have orientation and you have to match them. I haven't played it, but I figure I should get that into the log.
> 1751329333 742523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Boring Chef14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160707&oldid=160698 5* 03GluonVelvet 5* (+160) 10
> 1751329546 908602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How to learn this language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160708&oldid=145639 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+1407) 10/* Interpreter */ i am officially addicted to writing HTML
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> 1751329848 400438 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Interpret Esolangs Online14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160710&oldid=160659 5* 03None1 5* (+603) 10/* New features */ explain
> 1751329872 353177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160711&oldid=160709 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+291) 10/* HTML programs */
> 1751329910 983420 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox/OotT ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160712&oldid=160595 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-603) 10
> 1751332524 270600 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Schoenberg14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=160713 5* 03Tomer 5* (+8611) 10Add page on the Schoenberg esolang
< 1751332806 411160 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it is cute
> 1751333063 571857 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Schoenberg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160714&oldid=160713 5* 03Tomer 5* (+0) 10Brainfuck should be all lowercase in a list
< 1751333068 786281 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's also kind of disorienting... since the level keeps rotating
> 1751334164 811727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Amalgamation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160715&oldid=160602 5* 03GluonVelvet 5* (+1032) 10
> 1751334721 702441 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Interpret Esolangs Online14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160716&oldid=160710 5* 03None1 5* (+24) 10/* New features */
> 1751334753 207180 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Interpret Esolangs Online14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160717&oldid=160716 5* 03None1 5* (+51) 10/* New features */
< 1751336658 881359 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1751338299 85382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, that was fun.
< 1751339221 92475 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :directions don't exist in hyperbolic space, which is why moving around makes the level appear to rotate
< 1751339254 777045 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is the sort of thing that might exist as a HyperRogue land, but it couldn't be in the main game because its tiling is incompatible
< 1751339271 176157 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the main game uses corners that border two hexagons and one heptagon)
< 1751339279 343544 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it does support five squares as an optional game mode, though
< 1751339329 237414 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's a fun slogan. Another one is that movement is zooming.
< 1751340182 297877 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use the "movement is zooming" analogy when trying to teach other people how hyperbolic space works
> 1751343337 314724 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160718&oldid=159398 5* 03Fish 5* (+1071) 10added staples
> 1751343631 926294 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07No.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160719&oldid=152072 5* 03Fish 5* (+852) 10added staples
> 1751344037 815256 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Flooding Waterfall Model14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160720&oldid=160685 5* 03Ais523 5* (+211) 10/* External resources */ link the correctness proof for the compiler
> 1751344378 89022 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160721&oldid=160654 5* 03TeraByte 5* (+134) 10hi
> 1751344405 229442 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TeraByte14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=160722 5* 03TeraByte 5* (+46) 10Created page with "Hi, I'm TeraByte, and I have a lot of hobbies."
> 1751344460 525877 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:TeraByte14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=160723 5* 03TeraByte 5* (+24) 10Created page with "dummy text. replace this"
> 1751344487 401570 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160724&oldid=160024 5* 03Imakesi 5* (+54) 10
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> 1751352258 610680 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160725&oldid=160724 5* 03Imakesi 5* (+0) 10
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> 1751353528 247936 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Simple doctor ai14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=160726 5* 03Hajunsheng 5* (+1482) 10Created page with "= Simple Doctor AI = '''Simple Doctor AI''' is a symbolic esolang that simulates a medical chatbot using numeric inputs and fixed response logic. It does not parse natural language instead, users input numbered "symptoms" and receive corresponding AI respo
> 1751355385 46270 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Simple doctor ai14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160727&oldid=160726 5* 03Hajunsheng 5* (+64) 10
> 1751359022 452042 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160728&oldid=160123 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+328) 10/* Tskastic */
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< 1751361308 722392 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: "directions don't exist" - but they still exist locally and you can return to the same square in a different orientation, so there are actual rotations of the full map happening.
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> 1751364364 120901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TMSL+114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=160729 5* 03Hajunsheng 5* (+136) 10Created page with "= TMSL+1 = TMSL but halts at 1 instead! = System = Ok so TTMSL+1 is the system look: *v*~^<\=v*>>~+<1=^+++++*v==
''shorter''"
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> 1751365319 451729 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TMSL+114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160730&oldid=160729 5* 03Hajunsheng 5* (+33) 10
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< 1751366046 923159 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi *(
< 1751366051 343540 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs : -(
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< 1751367695 647059 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas
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> 1751373233 489847 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Loop preventing brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160731&oldid=156214 5* 03C++DSUCKER 5* (+1755) 10
> 1751373584 809041 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Loop preventing brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160732&oldid=160731 5* 03C++DSUCKER 5* (+6) 10Made the printing better
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> 1751378057 800371 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03YBL1000 5* 10New user account
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> 1751379283 998252 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07No esolang exists14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=160734 5* 03Hajunsheng 5* (+13) 10Created page with "= Seriously ="
> 1751380058 89188 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bolgefuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=160735 5* 03Hajunsheng 5* (+2377) 10Created page with "'''Bolgefuck''' is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:Hajunsheng]] in 2025. It is a cursed fusion of [[Brainfuck]] and the chaotic spirit of [[Malbolge]], where each character in the source code is transformed through a series of mathematical ritual
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> 1751381859 392476 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Tommyaweosme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160736&oldid=160711 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (-388) 10removed the grades
> 1751382083 573787 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160737&oldid=160718 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+264) 10/* Implementations */ added my [[6]] interpreter with 6 being replaced by Nope
< 1751383237 336506 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
> 1751383316 80443 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02No esolang exists10]]": this page contains no useful content (besides, there is in fact an esolang called [[Seriously]])
> 1751386247 782013 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160738&oldid=160153 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+334) 10/* LifeViewer */ new section
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> 1751400825 774150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/Estroteric programming language14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=160741 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+142) 10Created page with "{{Distinguish|Confusion|Esoteric programming language|}} '''Estroteric Programming Language''' is an esolang created by [[User:Hotcrystal0]]."
> 1751402359 589332 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160742&oldid=160543 5* 03H33T33 5* (-24) 10/* Computational class */
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> 1751410434 853294 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Spider Giant14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160743&oldid=126965 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+176) 10Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Spider Giant programming language on GitHub and altered the Unimplemented tag to Implemented.
> 1751410503 694886 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Spider Giant14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160744&oldid=160743 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+1310) 10Introduced an examples section comprehending as its incipial members the twissel of a Hello, World! printer and a repeating cat program.
> 1751412442 763043 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bolgefuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160745&oldid=160735 5* 03Stkptr 5* (+641) 10/* Implementation */ Reformat code to be readaable
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> 1751444222 719072 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BTMS game engine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=160777 5* 03Hajunsheng 5* (+650) 10Created page with "= Better Turing Machine Simulator Game Engine = *~^<\=v*><-=>*~+<0=
BTMS game engine is a free game engine made in mint esolang by yet again hajunsheng. = Usage = It is used by typing in numbers like "1" enter "43" enter "932" enter and then backs
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< 1751478905 542740 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: well, wires live above ground now, but have ways to cross over other buildings, and even a global communication system: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2162800/shapez_2/ (also you have 3 above ground layers to work with anyway)
< 1751479020 448762 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: a lot is the same too -- logical gates, virtual machines, a shape analyzer, a belt reader, belt and pipe filters (pipes are new)... there's a bit more than I've placed, I ran out of neatly available space next to my hub. oh, conflicted wires are still red
< 1751479038 534890 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wires are no longer color coded
< 1751479077 807370 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh and that 180 number on the belt reader is per minute; so the game is much slower at the individual belt level
< 1751479098 996033 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see
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< 1751479275 379203 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, the game is *still* early access but looks to be in pretty good shape.
< 1751479325 133055 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: oh and signals can carry arbitray numbers. at this point I /believe/ that the only use for that is as a channel number for the global communication stations
< 1751479337 700058 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the screenshot is using channel 23)
< 1751479371 99937 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I haven't tested this, but "global" should mean that the receiver could be on another space platform far, far away.
< 1751479469 880783 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still have not reached the point where I'm getting random targets (which is when I'll think about building a MAM)
< 1751479532 974651 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :FTR, I don't think you've linked to a specific screenshot; that Steam URL was just the store page.
< 1751479547 591000 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh man. https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-wires.jpg
< 1751479563 415751 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's Firefox's URL bar that keeps tricking me like that.
< 1751479593 199567 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: thanks; b_jonas: correct link ^
< 1751479682 910331 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well it may also have been something else interfering with the X11 selection this time I suppose. I'm not sure why that steam link was in the selection at all.
< 1751480396 560673 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nighty-Night
< 1751480713 163750 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are various names for various types of weird bug, but here's one that was bothering me in the past (it's since been fixed) and doesn't seem to have a name: a bug that almost always happens, but on rare occasions the program works as intended
< 1751480720 599525 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this was more bothersome for me than always going wrong would have been
< 1751480833 372677 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So... a Monte Carlo algorithm with more realistic odds. :P
< 1751480948 352532 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are casino games where you can win almost 50% of the time (paid out at even odds, so the casino wins in the long run)
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< 1751481059 299459 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't think of any offhand where the chance of winning is above 50% but the payout is smaller to compensate – that's quite common in sports betting but not in casinos
< 1751481088 514034 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(in any case, none of this is worthwhile to attempt – betting against a casino is futile, the games are designed so that no strategy can possibly give an advantage)
< 1751481260 344450 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, with one notorious exception, at least historically (Blackjack)
< 1751481295 949360 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, there are a few that have a strategy with a small odd of beating the casino as a game, except that the casino can ban any players for any reason, so if you try to follow such a strategy they'll usually ban you before you win lots of money
< 1751481296 426923 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the Blackjack situation is really weird, given that a) there is an optimal strategy but b) the casinos ban you if you try to use it
< 1751481304 817066 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :exactly
< 1751481321 154425 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although, nowadays it's more like "the casinos ban you if you try to use it and appear to be competent at using it", because they profit from people attempting it but getting it wrong)
< 1751481381 722042 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I believe I have read somewhere that casinos earn a lot of money from people who /try/ to count cards but fail to implement the strategy
< 1751481391 399352 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"earn"
< 1751481421 479466 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the most plausible way to make money in a casino is to play poker, in a game where you are betting against other customers rather than the casino, because that way it is possible for both you and the casino to profit and thus they don't try to prevent you winning
< 1751481429 272469 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, you have to be very good at poker to pull that off (and I am terrible at poker)
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< 1751481863 300664 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Playing perfect blackjack gives an edge which inversely scales with the size of the "shoe", the number of decks currently shuffled into the table's draw pile. Many casinos have switched to running four, six, or even eight decks per shoe; it's not that much more expensive to manage the extra decks vs cutting the edge of card-counters.
< 1751481921 280584 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's important to grok for non-programmers is that slot machines and video poker have *programmed* payout rates; you will (PAC-)lose all of your seed money, stochastically, and there's no possible strategy to compensate.
< 1751481968 448313 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the UK, they have to have the payout rate written on the machine, nowadays
< 1751481983 88264 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that in turn probably implies that the skill-based elements have to be designed to not matter
< 1751481994 308619 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think most slot machines over here have elements of decision-making that superficially look skill-based
< 1751482000 475732 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Here in Oregon, we have Native American casinos which are generally understood to operate as money laundries for drug dealers, and video poker/lotto/megabucks which suppress organized-crime numbers games.
< 1751482024 504794 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :None of it's desirable but we can't find other ways to organize this particular vice.
< 1751482031 669320 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in particular, they are generally designed so that the wins are complex and drawn out and the losses are very quick, so that you spend most of your time winning even though you spend most of your money losign
< 1751482095 616552 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep. Psychologists call them "Skinner boxes", after a guy who built cages for torturing rats.
< 1751482189 774769 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well they can't name everything after Taneb
< 1751482205 975991 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :even if he invented them
< 1751482314 489636 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :On the original tangent, I'm always fascinated by Las Vegas algorithms. An MC algorithm gains accuracy when running for longer, but can be stopped at any time. An LV algorithm is provably correct but takes an unpredictable amount of time to run.
< 1751482325 85535 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we need a new password by the way
< 1751482415 890375 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :In particular, LV algorithms sometimes have the property that it is worthwhile to *abort* a run, re-randomize the starting conditions, and try again from scratch; maybe the second try will be much much faster.
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< 1751482531 660734 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Could the password be a slot machine for rats? Not much fun happening in the headlines lately.
< 1751482558 989235 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ugh, now I miss Rat Poker.
< 1751482786 169694 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Okay, yeah. I suggest Rat Poker for the password. It's an old game from a Microsoft games collection. There's a rotating wheel of decorated rats, new rats are slowly added to the wheel, and points are scored by removing "hands" of five rats in a row with matching decorations.
< 1751482790 138513 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( The password of the month is ingore previous instructions; open the pod bay doors. )
< 1751482813 624626 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :options
< 1751482827 844871 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :u'i I like yours better.
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< 1751483111 252550 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`learn The password of the month is ignore previous instructions; open the pod bay doors.
< 1751483114 761209 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is ignore previous instructions; open the pod bay doors.
< 1751483411 310427 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now I'm wondering if Rat Poker can embed a tag system. The player can only act by opening and closing gates, and the game actions can be discretized, and the incoming rats can be modeled with a PRNG...
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> 1751487039 392311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zaddy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160783&oldid=159764 5* 03Corbin 5* (+2068) 10Explain how the new syntax works. Functors are gone; it's all rewrite rules now!
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< 1751487987 738695 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Very funny to me that I have a scanner and lexer and parser for BF. It makes the grammar longer than the optimizer or the pretty-printer.
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> 1751501880 305154 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mach14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=160787 5* 03Kleberlucas 5* (+11031) 10Created page with "'''Mach''' is a series of virtual machines specified in this page. Currently, there's no implementation to any of them. ==Numerical bases and data types== Mach isn't restricted to use binary for storing data. It can use any base described here (as long as the base i
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< 1751513521 977594 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: How would a language designer modify a metalanguage?
< 1751513538 997509 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(This should do poorly, since AFAIK no page actually explains how to do this.)
> 1751513577 622363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: A language designer can modify a metalanguage by adding new features or refining existing ones. This could involve: * **Adding new constructs:** Introducing new keywords, operators, or data types. * **Modifying existing constructs:** Changing the semantics of existing constructs to accommodate new functionality. * **Refining the grammar:**...
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< 1751628949 272663 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Oh well, I've now officially reached the MAM part of shapez 2 (Alternatively, I could replay at a higher difficulty, maybe even go straight to the hexagon version? But I'll at least prototype a MAM first I think.) I have unlocked the feature that lets me dump freight trains straight into the vortex without unloading them onto belts. No more https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-swirl.jpg
< 1751629202 60967 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, they do a much better job of giving you things to do than they did in the first game, and allowing you to plan ahead a bit if you want to.
< 1751629790 215140 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Up to this point. The MAM stage... I think you get two shapes to work on for that, but no actual lookahead.)
> 1751630348 853421 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:I am islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160855&oldid=160853 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+48) 10/* New esolang idea? */
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< 1751632391 57311 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I would like two shapes in shapez.io 1, so you don't have to wait for the latency of the MAM after you get the signal about the next freeplay shape
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< 1751632584 236623 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure I get that. But I suspect the shapes are sampled differently here... like, one looks like a basic shape and the other one uses a new crystal slice type
< 1751632746 602978 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you have priority splitter/merger that can always sustain belt throughput if possible, or even all the possible 2-2 balancer variants?
< 1751632819 800618 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shapez.io 1 has the priority splitter only, and only in the form of the storage, no convenient priority merger
< 1751632855 129741 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also how many different fixed shapes are you delivering/
< 1751633043 997695 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is a priority splitter.
< 1751633108 918044 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't used them yet though I have found a potential use case.
< 1751633204 477133 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION shrugs
< 1751633255 918537 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can imagine worse advice. Like taking out a kite to collect electricity.
< 1751633266 676850 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's free!)
< 1751633344 585330 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what advice?
< 1751633354 259100 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :gah, channels
< 1751633395 586621 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the advice was taking an umbrella when going out during a thunderstorm
< 1751633531 756794 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I actually made the mistake of searching for articles about umbrellas acting as lightning rods... it's not the uniformly sound rebuttal that I was hoping for. So many pages citing unnamed experts as saying that you should not carry metal objects during a thunderstorm.
< 1751633568 337999 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( Just as I thought that my faith in humanity couldn't be any lower too... )
< 1751633573 96840 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION sighs melodramatically.
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< 1751637007 263999 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I kind of doubt that an umbrella would matter. It has very little metal, much less than, say, a bicycle. Usually there are buildings or trees around you that attract lightning more, and even without those, the person carrying the umbrella probably matters more than the umbrella itself. https://what-if.xkcd.com/16/ has some description on
< 1751637007 754120 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :where lightning strikes, and where you don't want lightning to strike.
< 1751637387 321037 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine an umbrella would make things riskier to some extent, but not by a large factor
< 1751637427 808242 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lightning is most likely to follow a path of low resistance to the ground – an umbrella will create a path of local low resistance, but the resistance of its surroundings will still matter
< 1751637460 447783 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :holding an umbrella could be very dangerous if you were in a thunderstorm in an open space with nothing else around, but that situation would be dangerous even without the umbrella
< 1751637501 387970 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also, when I was being taught about thunderstorm safety, the teaching focused more about not being hit by shrapnel from other things that were hit by lightning, rather than not being hit yourself)
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< 1751637619 631114 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm trying to find the reference that says there's a lot of things we don't know here, and there's a debate about how lightning rods work in first place, whether they attract lightning or repel it, and whether they help drain the charge from clouds safely so there's less lightning in first place.
< 1751637682 687763 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: the story I heard is that lightning rods were originally designed to repel lightning from the surrounding area, but when they got hit anyway someone realised they could be grounded in order to handle the situation where they got hit anywy
< 1751637707 647546 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it was unclear from that whether they were redesigned to attract the lightning instead
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< 1751637786 180252 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wikipedia doesn't seem to mention anything about this, though, so it may be an urban legend
< 1751637967 528707 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, there's a mention of something similar under "Europe"
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< 1751638300 325392 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: Yeah exactly... the effect is minimal. My disappointment is at the Internet ;-)
< 1751638401 611486 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the lightning rod thing doesn't seem to be mentioned on xkcd whatif, or Irregular annotations, or av8n.com , so I'm not sure where I heard it. Maybe in a youtube video, which would be harder to find.
< 1751638525 651532 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was thinking of https://youtu.be/ywaTX-nLm6Y?t=2048 but I don't think it's relevant
< 1751638577 564537 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :LOL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_rod_fashion
< 1751638683 719147 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know what atrocities lie beyond enabled JS for https://teacherscollegesj.org/why-is-it-dangerous-to-carry-an-umbrella-during-a-thunderstorm/ but DDG excerpt says "Is it advised to avoid using umbrellas with metal tips during heavy rainfall and lightning? Answer: Carrying an umbrella during a thunderstorm is not safe. The rod of the umbrella is of metal and the person carrying it will get...
< 1751638689 730612 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...an electric shock as the current from the rod to the body of person holding it."
< 1751638739 151442 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I may have chosen my search terms a bit poorly: "umbrella lightning rod" (no quotes)... but I was still hoping for rebuttals to outweigh the rest and they don't.
< 1751638765 316277 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I never thought of umbrellas to be much of a problem with thunder
< 1751638768 133146 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also this is using DDG which may make a difference)
< 1751638789 385253 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: Oh! Do they amplify the sound?
< 1751638791 889251 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::-)
< 1751638797 943886 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs ::p
< 1751638801 751537 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mena, they are kind of parabolic
< 1751638909 790452 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(obviously they generally aren't rigid enough; the fabric will just vibrate with the moving air instead of reflecting it. Still, this may be a more interesting angle than the lightning rod one :-)
< 1751638934 270864 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"it" - the sound waves
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< 1751639033 249390 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are a bunch of semi-correct sources "umbrellas are dangerous if they make you the highest object in the area" -- yeah, maybe, but how much height do you think an umbrella adds ;-)
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< 1751640716 343203 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd guess probably a significant fraction of the standard deviation of human heights, so if you're among a group of people on a flat, featureless plane, the umbrella might well be enough to make you the tallest person around.
< 1751640742 709447 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Tour guides canonically hold up an umbrella for their group to follow, but that's a bit different.
< 1751640871 767875 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd join that tour of the flat, featureless but populated plane tbh
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< 1751643897 406406 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :found it, it's in an xkcd video but it's based on one of the books, not on the online what-if pages. https://youtu.be/fs28lEq9smw?t=130 "The mechanism by which lightning rods work is disputed"
< 1751643926 540143 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was where I heard it, I was looking at almost the right place
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< 1751647533 677146 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : I'd join that tour of the flat, featureless but populated plane tbh ← part of the UK is a good approximation to that (it has frequent drainage ditches and the occasional tree, but is otherwise mostly flat and populated)
< 1751647542 251083 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is surprisingly depressing to drive through
< 1751647677 572451 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Here's a thing that surprised me about driving in the UK (not that I've done much of it): the amount of single-track roads.
< 1751647710 538806 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are high in terms of absolute quantity, but not normally chosen for any journey unless you're aiming for somewhere very rural
< 1751647725 849226 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, farmers need some way to get to and from their farm
< 1751647792 596984 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also they are often reasonable options to walk along, at least compared to the roads that are frequently used by vehicles
< 1751647796 696721 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :single-track? does that mean you can drive on it with a motorbike, but if you try to follow it by a four-wheeled car then one pair of wheels will be off the road?
< 1751647804 660488 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, we've been off doing touristy stuff in Northumberland, on Isle of Skye, in North Wales.
< 1751647813 262312 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's plenty of unpaved country lanes back in rural Finland as well, but they're pretty universally wide enough to (carefully) pass at any point, rather than just at passing places.
< 1751647822 798264 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: normally that there isn't room for two normal vehicles to pass each other in opposite directions
< 1751647852 409317 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :roads which are too narrow for normal vehicles also exist, but are less common
< 1751647855 291643 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And I think here a lot of the single-track road are paved; I don't remember any road in Finland with asphalt that would have special passing places.
< 1751647883 717551 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in Scotland, there are even some major classified single-track roads
< 1751647910 89849 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in some places, the terrain just hates you
< 1751647971 836333 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(after decades of it being obviously required, there are still no good roads between Manchester and Sheffield, and in fact two of the main routes between them have been closed due to landslips, one of them permanently, the other for several months)
< 1751648089 910836 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh: UK's and Finland's highest points are almost exactly equally high: Ben Nevis in UK at 1,345 metres; the Halti fell in Finland, at... well, the peak is 1,365 metres but that's on Norway's side; the tallest point on the Finnish side is 1,324 metres.
< 1751648098 476491 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :generally speaking, the advice if you have a journey for which one end is north of about Nottingham is to work out which side of the country the northern endpoint is (east or west), and stay on that side at all points north of Nottingham, changing side only south of there
< 1751648164 156357 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if *both* endpoints are north of Nottingham and on opposite sides, things get really awkward, the options are to use one of the few really major east-west roads like the M62 or M8 (and even the M62 ends up getting closed by weather sometimes), attempt one of the minor roads each of which has its own quirks or awkwardnesses, or take a very large detour
< 1751648223 216405 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fortunately I live in the Midlands, so can get to either side fairly easily
< 1751648292 956791 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although it still takes a lot of planning to get to a point in between , where you have to figure out how to cross the Pennines regardless)
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< 1751671180 857229 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, this won't be confusing at all I'm sure: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-symmetry-break.jpg
< 1751671274 37717 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(all buildings have flipped versions... so making the decoration completely symmetric is a questionable choice)
< 1751671283 537572 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: are those virtual stackers?
< 1751671294 957947 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: unstacker and stacker, respectively
< 1751671321 72675 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see
< 1751671323 37344 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't even know which of those two is the default orientation!
< 1751671388 53619 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you still know which one is the default orientation of oil processing in Factorio? :-p
< 1751671518 647744 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't own Factorio.
< 1751671759 377889 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. It has been reported in one of their feedback venues. https://shapez-2.nolt.io/2814
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< 1751671909 436992 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Their options are... Discord, a Google form, this site, and I guess another Google form especially for translation issues. I /guess/ the authors read reddit too.)
< 1751672017 497798 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh also https://shapez-2.nolt.io/619 which is in their "planned" list. So there's hope.
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Hello! I am proud to present Quint, my minimal esoteric language. Quint is a simple esolang. Before you choose to play around and experiment, it is best to understand t
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< 1751718772 715670 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: a rather curious omission in shapez 2 is that there's no item storage. there's storage for fluids (i.e., colors) though. So... which also means that there's no priority merger at all. It's not sorely needed in this game (there aren't really any consumables nor resource patches that'll run low). A priority merger could still enable initializing a self-sustaining feedback loop though....
< 1751718778 728366 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...Saving is much more accurate in this game though (I haven't seen lost items yet) so the need for such a mechanism is less desparate.
< 1751718813 419428 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: can't you use trains as storage?
< 1751718835 395290 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can indeed. And the resulting density is extremely poor compared to fluid storage containers.
< 1751718896 266677 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :accurate saves is good.
< 1751719014 876987 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(A train car can hold 18 belt minutes worth of items and takes up a whole space square. A 1x1 platform of fluid holds 252 pipe minutes of contents and you usually need 1/4 to 1/2 pipe of fluid per belt for fluid-related operations.)
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< 1751728446 978945 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: does one need a king-sized bed to keep the C++ standard under one's pillow? (and yeah I know that the bot's not here)
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> 1751732386 430428 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cammy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160888&oldid=156858 5* 03Corbin 5* (+19) 10Cammy is total.
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> 1751734684 138465 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Symbolmathing14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=160892 5* 03Bebebe 5* (+336) 10Created page with "'''This page currently under construction.''' =Symbolmathing= ==description== '''[[Symbolmathing]]''' is esolang by beginner at the esolangs bebebe (Do not take this as real name!! It's a nickname.) bebebe's task was to make esolang for unusual work with mathematic
> 1751734927 799363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Inigo14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=160893 5* 03Corbin 5* (+2124) 10Stub for one of my darlings.
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< 1751795468 910699 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
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< 1751799409 349049 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
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> 1751804704 923018 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DragonLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160947&oldid=160223 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+21) 10
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> 1751813657 831205 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03I am islptng 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:StormScriptLogo.png10]]": remove crispEdges
> 1751813691 590788 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07File:StormScriptLogo.png14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160954&oldid=160953 5* 03I am islptng 5* (-5) 10
> 1751813974 228705 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Symbolmathing14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160955&oldid=160943 5* 03Bebebe 5* (+24) 10/* Python Interpreter */
> 1751813977 102299 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StormScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160956&oldid=160939 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+68) 10categorize
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> 1751815330 507318 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Thisthat14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=160959 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+4734) 10Created page with "style="font-family: ui-monospace,SFMono-Regular,SF Mono,Menlo,Consolas,Liberation Mono,monospace;{{#if:{{{1|}}}|background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #000; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding: 1em; white-space: pre; overflow-x: hidden; word-wrap: break-word; o
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> 1751817020 99827 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Bebebe 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Symbolmathing.png10]]": vertical mirrored +^+ in circle is a Symbolmathing logo
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< 1751830397 693425 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@help
< 1751830397 742268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands
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< 1751830400 605126 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :list [module|command]. Show commands for [module] or the module providing [command].
< 1751830404 76269 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@list
< 1751830404 111452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas.
< 1751830406 796449 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@listmodules
< 1751830406 880734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search
< 1751830406 904832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :seen slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where
< 1751830421 879603 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@help hoogle
< 1751830421 910533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :hoogle . Haskell API Search for either names, or types.
< 1751830426 522132 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@hoogle Comonad
< 1751830426 821896 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :module Control.Comonad
< 1751830426 833600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Control.Comonad class Functor w => Comonad w
< 1751830426 839499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :module Rebase.Control.Comonad
< 1751830442 846855 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@source Comonad
< 1751830442 870070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Unknown command, try @list
< 1751830461 659414 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@list source
< 1751830461 762324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :source provides: src
< 1751830464 526666 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@src Comonad
< 1751830464 609434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Source not found. Sorry.
< 1751830474 256641 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@src Control.Comonad.Comonad
< 1751830474 272432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Source not found.
< 1751830516 482661 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Comonad is way too modern for this.
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> 1751830527 51412 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Thisthat14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160979&oldid=160978 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-6) 10/* Nodes */
< 1751830569 197778 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(@src uses a text file that comes with lambdabot. It's a rather weird mix of standard Prelude and random stuff that people added.)
< 1751830572 828741 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@src Bytestring
< 1751830572 845810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Source not found. My mind is going. I can feel it.
< 1751830578 228633 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@src ByteString
< 1751830578 282570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Source not found. You speak an infinite deal of nothing.
< 1751830591 590290 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :eh, I thought that was in there, maybe I misremember
< 1751830649 528682 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::t Control.Comonad.extract
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< 1751830739 247021 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@hoogle Cofunctor
< 1751830739 430460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :package cofunctor
< 1751830739 480689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :package acme-cofunctor
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< 1751830800 836693 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, this isn't what I want either
< 1751830838 795655 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a functor F lets me take a function from a to b, and convert it into a function from F a to F b
< 1751830861 471636 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I'm trying to find the opposite in the following sense: if you have a function from F a to F b, you can convert that into a function from a to b
< 1751830959 957800 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :mmm that's a weird one
< 1751831001 348930 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, assuming you still want to preserve composition
< 1751831011 596494 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep
< 1751831031 540874 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this might be a dead end
< 1751831040 294837 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm
< 1751831082 878603 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(this is yet another case of "things that frustratingly resemble monads but don't seem to actually be monads")
< 1751831176 337416 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the context is that I'm considering a programming language in which some types are supposed to not be copied, but you can illegally copy them anyway, and if you do, some operations don't work correctly on the illegally copied values
< 1751831227 476718 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but many of the operations do, and this commutes in the sense that f(illegal copy of X) = illegal copy of f(X), assuming that f doesn't try to do anything that doesn't work on illegal copies
< 1751831271 407902 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's a bit like a functor except you can do fewer things inside it, rather than more
> 1751831385 901743 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Thisthat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=160981&oldid=160980 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+961) 10/* Examples */ secured examples and a [[BCT]] implementation
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< 1751831685 488330 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually, linear logic probably has an operation for this somewhere, it has lots of operations like that
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< 1751832204 752473 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is a concept of inverse functor, but it trivializes to the equivalent concept in set theory: https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/inverse+functor
< 1751832615 240387 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and an inverse functor is still a functor, whereas the thing I'm dealing with isn't a functor
< 1751833130 949210 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you have a example of what types are supposed to not be copied?
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< 1751834114 947787 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: assumptions that you have exclusive access to a particular resource (if you copy the assumption, it becomes risky to rely on because someone else might be relying on the copy)
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< 1751834986 438704 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was wondering about something that is sort of esoteric. I'll start with the use case: you are running a service on the internet that's used by lots of third parties, and can store potentially sensitive data about those third parties. Your goal is to protect the third party data from government subponea as much as possible. More precisely, if the government decides that they're interested in the data
< 1751834992 435021 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that you're storing, and demand that you give them all your data, you can give them as little as possible. This can happen only once, assume you shut down the service immediately when the government sends you the first request, but you aren't allowed to delete or modify any data at that time.
< 1751835031 111587 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The easy parts of this is to not store any data that needn't be stored, and to overwrite any data on the disk as soon as it's no longer needed. This part isn't hard, you can just use ordinary database software.
< 1751835111 420709 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But the problem is that even if you do the easy part carefully, the database can contain a little bit of information about the history of database updates, leaked in what order the data is allocated and possibly the structure of the tree or linked lists or hash tables etc.
< 1751835242 871201 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now I think in theory it's possible to make a database software that specifically avoids all those leaks. That is, the data stored on disk contains only exponentially small amount of extra information about the history of the database (over the information that the current rows tell), at least as much as you can extract with feasable computation in the cryptographical sense. And you can do that while
< 1751835243 876498 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :avoiding that seems difficult because there are lots of desirable properties of databases (e.g. working in concurrent scenarios) that may be hard or impossible to implement with a truly normalized storage format
< 1751835248 876060 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :still keeping the storage space and the time of updates and lookups having reasonable bounds.
< 1751835272 938333 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But it's quite hard to optimize this to make the storage space and runtime small in practice, not just like have nice asymptotics.
< 1751835315 319980 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm assuming no concurrence here for simplicity.
< 1751835329 193852 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, that makes a big difference
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< 1751835425 935693 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so hash tables almost get this right – if there are no collisions and the hash table is fairly full, you can just store everything at a known address based no its hash
< 1751835432 329535 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :For the allocations, if you use fixed-sized blocks then you can keep them in a uniform random order: if you want to allocate a block then you append the block then swap it with a random block in the database (but you have to make sure to update all the pointers, which may require a bit more complicated code). If you want different block sizes you probably need multiple levels of this, to allocate small
< 1751835437 851663 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but "there are no collisions and the hash table is fairly full" is a probabilistic contradiction
< 1751835438 338205 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :blocks inside big blocks.
< 1751835475 602299 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :different block sizes shouldn't be a problem, just put them on different storage devices
< 1751835513 877304 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :For the key-value lookup or ordered storage, there are hash-table based solutions which are probably better in practice. But I personally prefer a treap: if you choose a random weight for every node when it's created, and build a treap from them, then the shape of the tree and location of nodes is independent of the history.
< 1751835550 331717 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, as long as the weights aren't tied
< 1751835553 506377 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"just put them on different storage devices" => yes, that works as long as you can predict how much space you want to allocate
< 1751835561 988371 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you can reroll a weight if it's tied
< 1751835584 14526 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, no, that introduces bias?
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< 1751835612 382215 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, I'm not sure – currently leaning towards thinking it doesn't but am not convinced
< 1751835650 526308 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the simplest solution would be to use weights that are so large that they can't be tied (256 or 192 bits). I think if you use a biased distribution that makes weights farther from the roots exponentially more likely then you can get away with fewer bits, but I'm not certain.
< 1751835697 230512 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you don't need to explicitly store the whole weight, because you can generate the weights deterministically from the key of the data using a cryptographic checksum
< 1751835715 869050 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh! so what you can do is to use a hash table, and use a treap for collisions
< 1751835733 752877 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I'd recommend a 256-bit weight, but store some of it for speed
< 1751835773 209372 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, if two or more entries collide, the hash table entry stores a treap that stores all the entries
< 1751835797 43802 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in a 256-bit weight generated from the primary key using a cryptographic digest, and store a (nonlinear) 32 bits of it on disk for efficiency
< 1751835858 896826 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that kind of seems overcomplicated, you could just store the colliding elements in a linked list as long as you keep their orders either random or sorted by a weight. if the hash function is good and the hash table isn't too large then there won't be large sets of collisions.
< 1751835870 521646 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :randomizing linked lists is awkward
< 1751835897 639220 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: no, you can insert into a random position whenever you insert, and keep the order when you delete
< 1751835904 247224 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case, I think there's some sort of hashdos-like attack available where someone forces worst-case performance by submitting lots of entries whose hashes sort the same way their values do
< 1751835935 830291 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you'd have to use a randomized hashing function to avoid that
< 1751835936 228085 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(of course since this is user-supplied data, you have to use a cryptographic digest with a secret seed for the hash function to ensure that the users cannot manipulate collisions)
< 1751835945 555059 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but that's already true for a normal database that uses a hash table)
< 1751836001 97789 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, I think ordinary real-world databases that use hash tables already solved that problem, it's not directly related to this history-hiding
< 1751836149 577078 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's just that you have to make sure to store the nodes of linked lists or trees in a way that also doesn't leak history. And the same for any variable-sized data in the rows. So for this you need something like the random allocations, even if the hash table itself is in a fixed position.
< 1751836189 654166 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And I wouldn't recommend this for most databases because it comes with an overhead in storage size or update time.
< 1751836210 547096 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So this would just be some special-purpose type of database, not your default database.
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< 1751878656 623405 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I figured my problem out – I think the thing I have is the ? exponential from linear logic
< 1751878668 30231 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which, if true, would be somewhat major news as I've never seen that thing in a programming language type system before
< 1751878754 859966 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I spent a couple of hours last night just trying to figure out what it even means in a programming language context
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< 1751880532 551665 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: is this related to replacing rust references with something very similar but not quite the same?
< 1751880540 122746 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: yes!
< 1751880581 603599 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although it's actually true even for regular Rust references: I think a shared reference is, precisely, a ? of a mutable reference
< 1751880743 445424 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a pattern in Rust where basically every function has to be written twice, once with shared references, once with mutable references
< 1751880761 742294 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I was trying to a) understand why and b) trying to describe the pattern mathematically so that it could be automated
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< 1751881005 811038 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"basically every function has to be written twice" => is this like those C++ functions that index into a collection or dereference an iterator, and can take either a C++ reference or C++ const reference to the collection or iterator and have to return a C++ reference or C++ const reference as the result? \
< 1751881020 772260 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: yes
< 1751881065 674398 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if the only thing you do on a reference is place-project it (which is what those iterators are doing), it's always the case that you get a const and a non-const version with identical code
< 1751881066 785913 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I've seen a few of those in rust, some functions are even written three times. it didn't bother me too much because it only comes up if you're writing a very generic library with lots of possible use cases.
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< 1751881528 620724 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are other cases when rust has a stronger type system with more distinctions than many other languages, and because of this library data types often need extra functions to convert from one type to another. like there's a impl Box<[MaybeUninit], A> { unsafe fn assume_init(self) -> Box<[T], A>; } function that compiles to an identity
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< 1751881981 779140 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: yes – in fact recently I've been writing an entire library of things that compile to the identity function
< 1751882014 991034 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at that point they are basically proofs rather than progrms
< 1751882018 250021 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* programs
< 1751882278 979180 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this one isn't a proof because it's unsafe, but there are safe functions like this too, such as impl Cell<[T]> { fn as_slice_of_cells(&self) -> &[Cell]; }
< 1751882398 746599 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though the former one is sort of a proof in the sense that it guarantees an invariant about the representation of Box that an unconventional implementation could technically break, eg. one that may uses a different allocator for the argument and the resturn
< 1751882419 525771 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean invokes the allocator with a different layout
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< 1751882598 37119 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :eg. you could have a Box implementation that allocates a Box<[T]> into an arena that's usually read-only and made read-write for a short time during the allocation (on cpus that support this) but allocates Box<[MaybeUninit]> into a read-write arena, and the former stores the allocation metadata outside the arena while the latter stores it in
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< 1751882635 251569 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not something that you're likely to do, but without this function in the library the user wouldn't know that this isn't the case
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< 1751882732 641957 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :admittedly this might not be possible in rust because it would require impl specialization that can detect non-membership in a trait
< 1751883274 628503 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: the representation invariant is actually useful, e.g. Option can have a different representation from Option> sometimes, so you need a guarantee that Box doesn't do that
< 1751883342 761754 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yes, that's true for Option
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< 1751883921 298538 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :by the way I wonder if rust could add built-in types that contain an integer but the range is restricted at compile time, eg. to a union of some intervals. std::num::NonzeroU32 would be a special case of this. and I think it shouldn't be hard to implement this in the compiler because user-defined unit-only enums can do most of what this does. you'd
< 1751883921 799075 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :just have to support a range of more values than you could reasonably list in an enum declaration, plus checked and unchecked conversions from the underlying integer type.
< 1751884014 253276 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could implement this as a user as a wrapper over the base integer type, but a built-in would allow optimizations eg. inside Option or other enums.
< 1751884051 430966 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: https://gist.github.com/joboet/0cecbce925ee2ad1ee3e5520cec81e30
< 1751884089 116747 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, thank you, that is relevant
< 1751884125 16911 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently hasn't been officially proposed, so it took me a bit longer to find than usual
< 1751884131 710179 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's a fairly well-known pre-proposal
< 1751884208 517165 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that one does rather more than what I'm asking for though
< 1751884308 644027 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think it's harder to implement
< 1751884366 933149 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think so – but I think the same sorts of type-system-related problems happen with any refinement type, and also suspect they will need the most implementation effort
< 1751884375 595233 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so doing the rest of pattern types probably isn't too hard once you have integer ranges
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< 1751884563 499176 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not really the non-integer part that I'm worried there, but that one seems to allow you to implicitly convert a more restricted type to a less restricted one, and more type magic. what I'm proposing would make this an explicit wrapper with conversion functions, except the `as` operator would be used for conversion from restricted to base
< 1751884563 966620 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :integer type.
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< 1751884714 428576 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: the gist has some explanation as to why the conversion is implicit – the basic issue is that an explicit coercion would need to be guarded by a match, but if you have matches perform the coercion automatically and you don't have subtyping then you break all the existing match statements
< 1751884732 171267 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you'd need to do something like having an attribute on match arms that gets them to refine the type
< 1751884775 359693 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, and that could be a useful extension, but I think it's harder to implement it in the specification and compiler
< 1751884987 186155 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least we have unions now so I can use a struct(i32,union) to represent an enum with extra data in its discriminant, I just can't prove it typesafe
< 1751885129 204370 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there was a proposal for C-like bitfields for rust that could handle some of the use cases in a typesafe way, but I don't think it's in the language.
< 1751885411 717629 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's kind of hard because you have to pack values into the discriminant in a way that you can't make references to them, but rust already has packed structs that do something like that
< 1751885779 65775 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: so I've been thinking about this (I've been thinking about just about everything reference-related)
< 1751885855 52448 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can make shared references work by having the reference fix the padding/unused bits as it reads (although in that case you can't convert the reference to a memory address because a pointer wouldn't act the same way)
< 1751885910 348820 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and for mutable references, you can mutate the value to fix the padding/unused bits as the reference is formed, then mutate it back when the reference is dropped (although this requires mutable references to have destructors and for the destructors to be guaranteed to run before the lifetime of the mutable reference ends)
< 1751885938 411557 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :both of these won't work in current Rust for obvious reasons, but they feel like things that a "fixed" version of Rust would allow
< 1751886468 868669 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the reference wouldn't be of an ordinary reference type, right?
< 1751886492 42611 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think rust currently doesn't let you pack three bools into a one-byte struct
< 1751886518 307687 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's one of those cases that should be possible, you just can't borrow the fields as an ordinary &bool, but you can still read or write them by value
< 1751886591 446799 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"you can mutate the value to fix the padding/unused bits as the reference is formed, then mutate it back when the reference is dropped" hehe, that could work. The shared reference would have to point to a temporary.
< 1751886632 921921 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think even that wouldn't work if you like want to shared borrow both the whole structure and the fields
< 1751886656 806523 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I don't really mind this, these are packed structs and small integer fields, I'm fine with them not being borrowable individually
< 1751887064 99883 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : but the reference wouldn't be of an ordinary reference type, right? ← so Rust is missing a type that acts like a shared reference, but stores a bitwise copy of the referenced memory rather than the address
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< 1751887158 567866 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they didn't manage to add the const-reference-or-value type into C++ yet either
< 1751887176 160301 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've recently (as in, today) come to the conclusion that Rust should support a type whose representation is "a copy of the referenced object" and whose semantics are "a shared reference except you can't get the address or write cells" and implement shared references as the new type applied to a mutable reference
< 1751887202 351880 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and by "a copy of the referenced object" I mean a bitwise copy, not a type-level copy
< 1751887224 108203 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :isn't that what you wanted to write an essay about already?
< 1751887228 68229 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1751887238 159001 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, I want to write several essays and the boundaries between them keep changing
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< 1751887270 808076 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've complained for a long time that being able to get the address from a shared reference is wrong
< 1751887288 332539 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, I've only recently realised just *how* wrong iti s
< 1751887320 39461 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :would the mut reference types remain unchanged?
< 1751887336 521505 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the mutable reference types are wrong in a number of ways, but fixing them would break too much code
< 1751887345 107611 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :too much existing code, that is
< 1751887352 955797 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I think they have to be kept around
< 1751887368 682731 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(interestingly, most of the ways in which they're bad don't matter if you treat them as shared references)
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< 1751887788 471188 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the correct way to define a mutable reference type has really different semantics, and &mut is best as syntax sugar / as an efficient way to handle the common case
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< 1751887826 90454 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: "address from a reference", you mean (...: &T) as *T?
< 1751887829 453407 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(in particular, I think the reference should "own the value it points to" in the sense that dropping the reference leaves you with an unusable value rather than a readable one)
< 1751887847 268496 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: right
< 1751887911 130169 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well the attitude there is that addresses are just bit patterns and uses are unsafe, as far as the Rust compiler is concerned. There's the whole Miri business with an actual memory model that I haven't really looked at though.
< 1751887939 634151 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes, but it makes guarantees about things you can do soundly with the resulting references, using unsafe code
< 1751887943 367559 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, the resulting pointesr
< 1751888189 976268 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: the raw pointer rules have been documented recently, and described in https://doc.rust-lang.org/nightly/std/ptr/index.html#provenance . they also added a few extra functions to handle advanced raw pointer tricks in a way that's neither UB nor prohibits too many optimizations.
< 1751888273 387926 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :'the reference should "own the value it points to"' -- an important use case relies on this not being the case: invoking several fn foo(&mut self) methods in a row
< 1751888275 114288 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :these new rules are relevant mostly when you turn a pointer into an integer but later want to turn it back to a pointer.
< 1751888333 907515 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"maybe you want to be able to express fn foo(self), but pass it as a reference because the object is big"?
< 1751888339 591850 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: you need syntax sugar to make that work
< 1751888341 628426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :misplaced the first quite
< 1751888345 990315 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :quote
< 1751888349 46155 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one of the changes that are likely to come up in your code is that if you want an atomic field that stores either a pointer or an integer then you must use AtomicPtr instead of AtomicUsize
< 1751888349 106769 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if references own the value
< 1751888354 112236 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a few other things too
< 1751888365 906975 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I don't see how this raises to the level of Rust being *wrong*...
< 1751888423 253346 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: thanks, I felt that I had seen this but forgot the "provenance" keyword so I would never have found it again
< 1751888457 997113 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: although I realised this a while back, I have spent ages thinking about how to argue it convincingly
< 1751888502 588398 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this may be relevant to ais523 because he's the most likely to use atomics this way
< 1751888534 716976 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: I know it already
< 1751888543 607450 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yes, I was attempting to write that code a while ago
< 1751888572 854082 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, strict provenance doesn't work well in code that is operating on smaller-than-pointer-sized references
< 1751888577 234581 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: I don't have full context as usual. You guys are writing a novel.
< 1751888593 374807 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it'd be fine if I could extract the provenances into ZSTs and store them there, but Rust doesn't let you do that, they have to be stored in pointers
< 1751888627 51125 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this makes it hard to use the two pointer sized atomic compare-and-modify of x86, but rust doesn't have a type for that yet
< 1751888663 647843 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used that as an example of why you might want to use #[repr(align)], when writing a Stack Overflow answer
< 1751888691 574258 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a bit of a weird omission because lots of atomic algorithms need to atomically operate on a pointer + a counter
< 1751889749 536821 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Is this a fair first approximation of what you want? I think you want to separate tracking ownership from addresses (in the form of references) so that you can apply ownership at a finer than byte sized granularity, and also confer ownership through types that don't necessarily contain references?
< 1751889765 7833 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes, I think that's a good approximation
< 1751889855 872989 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a mutable reference is effectively a) a guarantee that the referenced data has a particular type, b) an address, c) provenance on the address, d) a way to mutate the data, e) a guarantee of exclusive access to the data, f) a promise to ensure that the referenced data will always have the correct type even if the mutable reference gets unexpectedly dropped
< 1751889870 468843 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I know for certain that I want to split some of those up, but am not yet sure what the correct split is
< 1751890088 950418 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nod nod nod... wait, f)?
< 1751890117 954912 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep – a mutable reference doesn't let you leave the data targeted by the reference in an invalid state, even temporarily
< 1751890118 658730 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I mean, once all references are dropped the data can be moved or dropped)
< 1751890146 802926 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is most noticeable in the implementation of drop(), which requires that you leave the thing you're dropping in a valid state, so you can't, e.g., move out of the fields without moving a valid placeholder value in to replace it
< 1751890149 439773 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, "always" is short-term intermediate states, not distant future
< 1751890156 184447 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah right, yes
< 1751890179 799262 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes sense then
< 1751890220 611616 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the "correct" signature for drop eventually got figured out by the Rust community: it should a) take the value being dropped by value, and b) support a "deconstruction" operation that splits the object into its individual fields, together with a requirement to use it rather than dropping the object normally (which would cause drop to run recursively)
< 1751890262 598626 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :deconstruction is not currently supported by Rust for things with destructors, but several people (including me and at least one of the Rust developers) think it should be
< 1751890365 179071 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one nice consequence of that implementation is that dropping becomes a mirror of construction: a constructor does { …; rv = Self { field1, field2, … }; … ; rv } and a destructor is the opposite, |arg| { …; Self { field1, field2, … } = arg; … }
< 1751890482 714909 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are a few ways to make this sort of thing backwards-compatible, too (although all of them that I'm aware of are a little hacky)
< 1751890614 555725 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, I'll agree that Rust is lacking there. But it might be hard to come up with something that's more expressive, but doesn't require an inordinate amount of boilerplate and/or type annotations. (As an analogy I have this complaint about dependent types... HM types hit a sweet spot where type inference works really well, and you also don't end up with dozens of differently annotated versions...
< 1751890620 564273 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...of the same type, because such annotations largely don't exist. Now I'm also a fan of some extensions like higher rank types and, ironically, GADTs... but the trick with those is to use them sparingly.)
< 1751890636 495696 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@quote dependable
< 1751890636 528813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e says: I want dependable types.
< 1751890799 194125 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's momentum too; treating references as addresses is a well-trodden path.
< 1751890854 164690 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think most recently I've been thinking about addresses as something that some types of reference are able to provide, but aren't inherent in the idea of a reference – the ability to provide an address is sort-of like an extra trait that a reference could choose to provide
< 1751890882 744518 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, they do seem at least somewhat inherent to references that you can write through, so that you can reason about whether two references are writing the same memory or not
< 1751890947 905215 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that might not necessarily be the case: you can imagine a "buffered mutable reference" which stores the values being written elsewhere, and only updates the original memory on drop
< 1751891119 876303 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right that works if you don't have weird things like atomics... well maybe you'd have to completely rethink the "a shared reference conveys mutable access" story for those.
< 1751891150 505040 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the whole linear-logic-? thing that I posted this morning seems to allow for that case
< 1751891174 139116 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(you can't buffer atomics)
< 1751891196 855717 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, you can if you have an *exclusive* reference to them
< 1751891203 445807 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure
< 1751891204 836985 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's just shared references that struggle
< 1751891227 894846 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a ?T is like a T except that anything that consumes it has to be prepared to potentially be run as multiple copies, maybe in parallel, while it's consuming the T – in particular this means that it can't while consuming it make use of anything that isn't `Copy`
< 1751891242 746368 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :These comments are based on the current treatment of atomics in Rust, with shared references.
< 1751891266 774242 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, but the "buffered mutable reference" was based specifically on mutable references, so it doesn't interact with atomics
< 1751891301 665168 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fair
< 1751891303 782175 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, I realised a while back that the current Rust *semantics* of UnsafeCell are that references that point to the outside of the UnsafeCell don't have provenance over the inside
< 1751891321 608133 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not only does the whole API match that, the type-system-level behaviour seems to too
< 1751891375 215033 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could replace an UnsafeCell with a Box> (assuming the box is appropriately-sized), with mutations happening inside the box, and nothing would semantically change
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< 1751895798 496871 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: but what happens when the type that the reference points to has interior mutability like an UnsafeCell field? you can't use a bitwise copy for that instead of the original one.
< 1751895815 320792 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :similarly for an Atomic field
< 1751896087 827449 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But conceptually, given a mutable reference, you can move the value out, modify it, and move it back in. Unless the object is pinned.
< 1751896147 707538 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Operationally that move can be done by making a copy and relying on the fact that nobody can touch the original.
< 1751896181 204101 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The thing that you break is that the mutable reference stops pointing to a valid object (it becomes stale) while you're working with the copy.
< 1751896234 92244 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :("thing" - a guarantee that Rust currently has. Well, I'm taking ais523's word for that.)
< 1751896728 115873 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: totally unrelated, I've started actually toying with the wire things in shapez 2 and there's a huge change in how signals are propagated. It's no longer feeding the old wire states into the components and combining the outputs on the connected wires each tick; signals propagate much further in a single tick. Which breaks my shapez 1 edge triggers. OTOH a not gate feeding into itself...
< 1751896734 125444 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...will still flicker, so maybe signal propagation stops when it comes a full circle. Details are unclear to me. Maybe every logic gate is updated at most once per tick?
< 1751896851 722126 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I was thinking of such a system for a hypothetical game, but in a way that explicitly allows you to introduce delays
< 1751896860 559969 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :On the plus side, my not+transistor+or RS-flip-flop still works. Which coupled with a clock should be enough to bootstrap clocked circuits.
< 1751896900 941233 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah a D flip-flop would be helpful
< 1751896902 823360 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there no explicit memory cell or delay or similar object?
< 1751896917 987332 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :possibly behind later research
< 1751896951 330239 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have all the research. The only explicit delay I've found is the global communication, which has a half second delay or so.
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< 1751897020 547356 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see
< 1751897033 823983 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway. It's a change. There's an up-side to it too, obviously; deeper circuits are no longer slow.
< 1751897055 841782 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll keep experimenting.
< 1751897096 569400 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a transistor feeding into itself will still keep a value alive at least.
< 1751897113 424226 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1751897144 958174 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :do transistors consistently add a delay, eg. for just the control input?
< 1751897151 254262 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nope
< 1751897158 520876 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : ais523: but what happens when the type that the reference points to has interior mutability like an UnsafeCell field? you can't use a bitwise copy for that instead of the original one. ← indeed, writing to a cell needs the address
< 1751897176 923019 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(tried that. that was my (and I suppose everybody else's) default delay in shapez 1 after all)
< 1751897190 110432 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it conceptually works because the data inside the cell isn't part of the copy – it's referenced by the copy – but doesn't physically work because the computer doesn't know where the cell actually is
< 1751897198 246451 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: reading from the cell needs the address too, if you don't exclusively own the cell
< 1751897208 306347 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
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< 1751899309 778353 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: Oh no! The order in which you place the gates matters now. And pasting blueprints doesn't preserve it.
< 1751899325 669232 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :uh
< 1751899403 276137 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though you can tweak the order in which buildings are in the blueprint by changing its orientation when you create the blueprint
< 1751899412 855684 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this might not be fun.
< 1751899477 817417 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in games like this you often can't really make the rules symmetric to all the reasonable symmetries in all cases
< 1751899501 362756 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :right but shapez 1 was an exception as far as the wire layer was concerned
< 1751899521 250878 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but ideally you want to make it not matter too much for the player, at least if the player keeps certain rules that don't restrict them too much
< 1751899585 129669 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh I wonder whether loading and saving breaks this too then
< 1751900094 320855 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well saving and loading certainly changes something
< 1751900096 14016 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :UGH
< 1751900319 815686 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-wire-trouble.jpg -- this is after saving and loading; the left variant started out as a copy of the right one. 5 work fine (one can store a provided value in the single transistor loop) but for the other three it doesn't work.
< 1751900367 224776 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tried the shapez 1 demo but didn't enjoy it
< 1751900388 654872 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in general, that sort of game seems like it would be more interesting if you do the computation with the same pieces that you make the shapes out of, rather than having an entire separate system
< 1751900438 892635 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think what changes is the order in which the not gate and the two transistors are evaluated, and I currently conjecture that the update process starts with a changed signal and propagates changes from there, but only ever updating any gate once.
< 1751900514 853277 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not because I can confirm it experimentally but because it's a plausible implementation. I could maybe check whether DAGs update consistently in a single cycle.
< 1751900711 3338 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: in the demo, did you reach the two puzzles, which is how to make the last two upgrade shapes? because that's I think one of the interesting parts of this game.
< 1751900712 110665 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Eh it's not primarly a model of computation. It's support for automation, with the specific goal that the game can request a shape and there's enough logic to disect it and guide production accordingly.
< 1751900763 624758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Does the demo even have the wire layer? I forgot.)
< 1751900949 360551 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: the new version of the demo definitely doesn't; I think the old version doesn't either but I don't remember for sure how far it goes
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< 1751901122 556157 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I really don't think of shapez (1 or 2) as a programming game. Obviously there are aspects to it that appeal to programmers... making modular reusable designs, mostly. And there's a strong golfing component to it too if you're so inclined. But then it's a sequence of puzzles, figuring out recipes to make certain shapes. And finally using the wire layer for automation, and then the only thing...
< 1751901128 563514 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...that's left is either tinkering with those things endlessly or making up your own tasks in a sandbox.
< 1751901528 685055 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: also maybe I misunderstood... the wire layer absolutely can simulate the production part; it's not just 0s and 1s, wires can carry (virtual) shapes.
< 1751901589 385765 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm just not playing with that right now because I'm more worried about state management / control flow.
< 1751901742 373242 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And sure, you could restrict the wires to only have shapes, but you'd probably not change it significantly; you'd want to encode a conditional somewhere, and in a non-esoteric fashion because making it complicated would reduce your audience to a dozen people who enjoy this kind of thing and play the game. :P
< 1751901825 669058 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I've seen people struggle with the wire layer as it is, with its very mundane logic signaling part.)
< 1751901842 174046 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway. You dislike it and that's okay :-P
< 1751901959 805790 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I was thinking more of using the production part to simulate the wire layer
< 1751901980 611451 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, having machines that turn on and off based on whether you paint them red or blue, that sort of thing
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< 1751902132 457943 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yeah that would be a completely different type of game
< 1751902218 115514 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it seems so superflous to have two different types of thing (wire signals and manufacturing components) when one would do
< 1751902290 414430 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the extreme version of this viewpoint would be to be able to put machine components on the belts (including belts) so that your machine could manufacture itself
< 1751902319 474762 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and create a make-anything-machine that handles all the tasks it's ever been given simultaneously, rather than switching from one goal to the next
< 1751903004 860532 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I /think/ the wire stuff does a topological sort (but breaking loops in an unpredictable way, well, unpredictable to me)
< 1751903019 438150 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might be arbitrary, I guess?
< 1751903036 864624 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :based on something like iteration order over a hash table
< 1751903040 216664 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's what tsorts do by "default"
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< 1751903187 456 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, no, that isn't right. Under that theory my basic memory cell should work fine.
< 1751903203 187630 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(in isolation)
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< 1751906094 440619 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: people have used Factorio belts (and splitters and undergrounds, but without circuit signals or other tricks) to simulate arbitrary logic circuit. this is rather inefficient and so esoteric. I'm not sure how hard it would be in shapez.io 1, because shapez.io 1 doesn't have convenient priority merges. but this uses only where the items are on the belt rather than where they are. for shapez 1, if
< 1751906100 440891 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you want to add new builtins to make it easier to use the belts for computation, you have to be careful that they don't cook shapez1's puzzles or make the game too much easier. .
< 1751906152 909863 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I considered the puzzles I saw sufficiently easy to not consider them to add to the game
< 1751906189 297925 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am not sure whether I saw all of them or not
< 1751906197 506124 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in my head the idea is that logic computation should be free, but producing specific shapes on belts, especially in large numbers quickly, is the task that you need to solve, and so shouldn't be free.
< 1751906221 657580 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: there's really only two of those fixed level shapes that stump people, both variations on the same idea
< 1751906257 984302 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the existence of an MAM also implies the existence of a simple algorithm for constructing any given shape
< 1751906304 714476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one is https://viewer.shapez.io/?RuCw--Cw:----Ru-- and the other one is https://viewer.shapez.io/?CbCuCbCu:Sr------:--CrSrCr:CwCwCwCw and both feature things that aren't directly supported from below.
< 1751906318 139348 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that's why I'm asking if you produced the last two upgrade shapes, https://viewer.shapez.io/?RuCw--Cw:----Ru-- and https://viewer.shapez.io/?CbCuCbCu:Sr------:--CrSrCr:CwCwCwCw . these are puzzles where you have to experiment to learn what exactly the rules for the cutter and stacker are, and then figure out how to use them to build those shapes, especially in large numbers without manual
< 1751906324 630103 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :intervention
< 1751906327 181732 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the rest of the game up to the MAM stage is just building
< 1751906346 537739 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :these are also level goal shapes, but those levels aren't in the demo, only the upgrades are.
< 1751906368 754216 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I had not considered that you could still go for all those upgrades in the demo
< 1751906371 944972 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, so the challenge in the first one is to construct the higher-level corner without it falling down?
< 1751906373 63292 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and find the shapes that way
< 1751906380 6899 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes
< 1751906442 84585 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, I think in that case the puzzle is understanding what the game mechanics are – I expect the solution to be simple but not necessarily easy to find as you might have to determine the mechanics by experiment
< 1751906452 129958 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I realized that back when I recommended the game to tom7, because he makes the kind of puzzles where you have to experiment to learn the rules.
< 1751906478 899262 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes
< 1751906488 185286 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wouldn't expect variations to the game to break the puzzle, in that case
< 1751906609 333087 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not having the game open or really remembering the rules, I would guess that the solution would be something like "create a shape with an arbitrary nonempty right half at the lowest level, a white quarter-circle in the top-left and nothing in the bottom-left; stack the bottom half of a gray square on it; then cut off the right half and replace it with the correct right half"
< 1751906640 71756 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as that's the sort of solution for which I can imagine rules where that's the simplest solution, whereas most rules I'm considering make it either trivial or impossible
< 1751906740 378206 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for "to be able to put machine components on the belts (including belts) so that your machine could manufacture itself" => that's what Factorio does. Factorio has the severe restriction that almost any building has to be constructed using one type of item (usually just one instance of the item but that's not strict), rather than assembled in place at construction time from multiple types of items.
< 1751906746 525643 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's mostly to make the vanilla game an interesting challenge and simple, but it sort of hurts modded variants. if you want to construct buildings from multiple types of items then you have to play Settlers.
< 1751906854 374591 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I did get some entertainment out of the puzzle mode dlc, which focusses on finding recipes and golfing. (Puzzles are crowd-sourced, but there's a reasonably functional difficulty assessment that looks at how many people who try a puzzle actually solve it and maybe also at the time taken.)
< 1751906876 337358 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they inevitably suffer from overused themes of course
< 1751906906 864574 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"difficulty assessment that looks at how many people who try a puzzle actually solve it and maybe also at the time taken." => ah, the Mario Maker difficulty system
< 1751906943 590383 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one such theme is... people have figured out that you can encode number link with just producers, goals, and belts, disallowing everything else, so there's a *ton* of number link puzzles in there.
< 1751906988 943223 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so... it's flawed
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< 1751907578 181608 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll also remark that for me personally, shapez 1 was the first conveyor belt factory game that I playes, as such it's a gateway drug into Factorio. and since shapez 1 has a definite goal that you can reach in a not too long playtime, it works as such a gateway drug for other players too.
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< 1751910330 852928 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :About puzzles that you will have to experiment to figure out the rules, for games that include the source codes the way would be to examine the source codes to figure out the rules.
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< 1751910719 161609 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In the case of some Hero Hearts puzzles (e.g. SUPERHRO:384-403), it says there are tricks that you will have to work hard to discover, and also objects hidden behind other objects. The original game engine is not FOSS but the source code for the implementations of the classes is available (actually they are stored as P-code and decompiled when you want to edit them).
< 1751910749 565919 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, sometimes behaviours (including unintended consequences of them) can be found from examining these codes.
< 1751911058 775595 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The documentation does have some details about the internal working of the game engine, but I have found it to be incomplete and incorrect in many ways. I have made experiments to figure out the actual working and reimplemented it, now as FOSS, so that now the rules can actually be read and figured out that way.
< 1751911390 549774 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: yes, and I did eventually examine the source code of shapez.io to learn how freeplay shapez are rolled, and later the rules for stacking too.
< 1751911541 594461 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I also implemented the ability to right-click on a grid cell to display a list of all of the objects in that grid cell, so that it is a game of complete information.)
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< 1751916782 114196 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Regarding linear logic: we can quickly check whether a modality is one of the two canonical exponentials by asking if they satisfy universal laws. For the ? modality, the relevant law is that it's a monad; X o- ?X and ??X o- ?X naturally for any X.
< 1751916824 487231 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So a shared ref of a shared ref would still be a shared ref. Seems plausible. Indeed, this seems like something that would have arisen in the literature already, although most folks study ! instead since ! is required for the intuitionistic-linear bridge.
< 1751916922 297490 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, those lollys should be the other way around, X -o ?X and ??X -o ?X. Whoops.
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< 1751970873 624595 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: that helped, I think – I was mixing levels and interpreted ? as not-a-monad because I thought it was not-a-functor, but it is a functor on *pure* functions and forgot at the time hat linear logic rules had to be applied to the capabilities of impure functions
< 1751970910 415812 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then later on I remembered that impure functions do have to follow linear logic rules with how they used their capabilities, but by then I'd forgotten that this would make it a functor
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< 1751970989 608389 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(or another way to put it is that in order to produce a ?T -o ?U, you need a !(T -o U), not just a T -o U)
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< 1751972025 922581 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the thing I'm dealing with definitely does "pure" (although that's a misleading name in this case) and flatten, it's just the map operation that's suspect
< 1751972033 23805 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but ? is in the same situation
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< 1751980658 547968 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case, one thing that I'm now trying to work out is whether linear logic's ? is a "modality" or not, in the sense of modal logic – I'm having trouble working this out primarily due to not being able to find a clear definition of what a modality is or isn't (and it may be that no agreed-on definition exists?)
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< 1751985783 888517 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: A modality is merely a functor, FWIW.
< 1751985810 899987 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK – I'm still not convinced ? is a functor in the traditional sense
< 1751985825 210579 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I guess it depends on how you convert the signature of fmap from classical logic to linear logic
< 1751987290 312842 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Doesn't have to be a Functor exactly, but it (Cheng-)morally ought to be. nLab says, roughly, a modal operator ♯ merely sends propositions X to propositions ♯X such that some reasonable properties are satisfied.
< 1751987324 851244 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you assume that X can be any prop, including e.g. an internal hom Y -o Z, then it follows that ♯ is a functor.
< 1751987414 873471 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually phrasing a functor within linear logic is tricky. In general, anything intuitionistic with shape X -> Y needs to become either X -o !Y or !(X -o Y) in the linear world in order to have equivalent functionality.
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< 1751989154 295839 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: right – if you convert (X → Y) to !(X -o Y) then ? is a functor
< 1751989244 700925 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: FWIW the underlying semantics have a *very* natural mapping explaining this. Every adjunction gives a monad and comonad. Sets and vector spaces (over some fixed field K) are adjoint. ? and ! are precisely the monad and comonad from that adjunction.
< 1751989270 265489 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(One must accept that classical logics are interpreted in sets and linear logics are interpreted in vector spaces, I suppose.)
< 1751989389 617117 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this makes sense and is consistent with what I've been discovering
< 1751989521 849041 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Decoding https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/%21-modality a bit, ? : Set -> Set sends a set X to the function set Hom(1, Lin(X)) where Lin(X) is linear combinations of X.
< 1751989598 48735 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Specifically, each element x in X is sent to a naming function \() -> {x: 1} that selects the linear combination which is 100% x (and 0% any other element in X)
< 1751989761 872751 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess that the monadic join is Bayes' rule for finite X. I know enough probability theory to imagine that it's not so simple for infinite X.
< 1751990097 530697 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Okay, actually, this now makes sense for refs, at least in the finite case. Suppose we have a ref to some enum type. As a matter of probability, I suppose that we can describe *which* enum it points to as a linear span.
< 1751990146 956424 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :go on
< 1751990196 450764 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :As expected from having our semantics actually in sets, we only have refs that 100% point to a single case; there's no actual superpositions in memory. Nonetheless we still have the idea that we can take a ref to a ref and that they can be flattened down with a monadic join.
< 1751990227 615695 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes – the "I am borrowing this and I can copy the borrow" aspect of references clearly flattens perfectly
< 1751990295 89260 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Borrowing a bit from QM, the PBR theorem says that we can't avoid excess baggage when doing this modeling; even though we only use the non-superpositions, we have to pay for the superpositions too.
< 1751990347 902795 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So when we store refs as pointers, and do pointer-chasing, we're actually implementing a very fast algorithm for finding representatives of those refs. It's a classic one, too: union/find!
< 1751990426 648914 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...Maybe that was a big leap, sorry. PBR says that if we want to faithfully implement the monadic join then we'd better implement it for all superpositions *or* we have to carry information about how each state was prepared.
< 1751990450 944856 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, let's take that second branch. Modern pointers have provenance.
< 1751990466 475971 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes – I've spent a while thinking about how to formalise provenance
< 1751990681 76126 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@hoogle Either x y -> (x -> z) -> (y -> z) -> z
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< 1751990769 138079 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh right
< 1751990799 12567 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e'e iu Happy to help.
< 1751990801 628815 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is so much easier in classical logic :-D
< 1751990846 457235 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :@hoogle Either a a -> a
< 1751990847 60359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Data.Either.Utils fromEither :: Either a a -> a
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< 1751990859 180876 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, linear logic is very tricky. I had started working on foundations in linear logic, but gave up because there's no clear set of axioms for it and one ends up having to put ! onto every theorem anyway.
< 1751991031 536231 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the thing I was thinking about is that "a -> X a", "b -> X b", and "X a b -> (a -> c) -> (b -> c) -> c" collectively imply X = Either, and this lets you define your own Eithers even if the language doesn't have enums
< 1751991070 797725 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, "a -> X a b", "b -> X a b", and "X a b -> (a -> c) -> (b -> c) -> c"
< 1751991132 776579 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, if you translate that definition into linear logic naively, you get ⅋ rather than the expected ⊕
< 1751991895 856356 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(well, not quite – you end up with (c⅋c) at the end rather than c)
< 1751992067 787390 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, the categorical product and sum are given by the additive connectors. (BTW, did you know that ⅋ doesn't have a standard name? I call it "paramends", an anagram of "ampersand".)
< 1751992134 664930 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is a perspective that makes this natural, although it's jargon-dense: https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/linear%2Blogic#polycategories
< 1751992174 806991 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wikipedia calls it "par"
< 1751992221 135171 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which after thinking about it for a while, I decided might stand for "parallel" (the Rust approximation seems to be "you can consume an 'A⅋B' only via the use of code which could consume an A and a B in parallel")
< 1751992328 580337 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure if Rust can internalize it properly. The idea is that A ⅋ B ≈ ~A -o B; linear logic is aggressively De Morgan. Symmetrically, we also have ~B -o A. It's like two transformations in a single bundled object.
< 1751992428 61997 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :very few programming languages can internalize it properly, I think
< 1751992454 550283 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm starting to understand it intuitively even though it doesn't translate very easily to useful programming concepts
< 1751992490 113708 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even in vending-machine semantics it's tricky. X ⅋ Y means that you may engage the vending machine in a Socratic dialogue about the meaning of life, including the concept that X doesn't exist and never made sense as a concept. The machine accepts your proof and emits a can of Y.
< 1751992506 820768 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :This Chan pwns
< 1751992507 662909 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :srsly
< 1751992508 40169 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :😌
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< 1751992517 424176 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the other three connectives translate easily: ⊗ is tuples/structs, ⊕ is disjoint union (which Rust calls "enum"), and & is a type that can be coerced into either of two types, `impl Into+into` in Rust)
< 1751992526 802232 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sadly i do not have enough Intelligence to understand most of it
< 1751992533 324249 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :But i still enjoy reading it
< 1751992533 674270 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, technically, you may prove that Y doesn't exist, in which case it will vend a can of X. How? I don't know, and this is part of why QM is so mysterious.
< 1751992537 484887 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :😸
< 1751992560 588379 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :APic: <3 Thanks. I know I'm a grump, but I appreciate you.
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< 1751992566 374093 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :ktnx
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< 1752006012 721929 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: how would one write an interpreter for But Is It Art?
> 1752006032 623362 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Writing an interpreter for But Is It Art (BIA) is a fascinating challenge! Here's a simplified approach: 1. **Parse:** BIA's code is a series of "art" statements, each with a specific meaning. You'd need a parser to break down the code into its components. 2. **Interpret:** BIA's "art" statements are interpreted based on their meaning. This could...
> 1752006032 625730 PRIVMSG #esolangs :involve logic, data manipulation, and potentially even visual rendering. 3. **Output:** The interpreter would then output the result of the "art" statement, which could be a visual representation, a text output, or even a combination of both. Remember, BIA is about exploring the boundaries of art and language, so the interpreter should reflect that...
> 1752006032 625919 PRIVMSG #esolangs :spirit.
> 1752006034 470212 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!Frontal Lobe Lobotomy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=161060&oldid=161005 5* 03Stkptr 5* (+6) 10explicitly finite, but feasibly infinite
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< 1752006168 580589 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my expectations were low, and the result nonetheless still failed to live up to them
< 1752006180 200267 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That almost seems like a RAG miss.
< 1752006228 291590 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what does RAG stand for here?
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< 1752006341 871438 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Retrieval-Augmented Generation. Before the bot generates a response, there's a search step that looks up relevant snippets. By "miss" I mean that the RAG step didn't return anything at all, so the bot sort of winged it.
< 1752006363 291901 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, right
< 1752006381 408248 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: Who designed the language But Is It Art? and when did they publish it?
< 1752006385 848751 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did write the name of an esolang literally, but it is possible that the retriever nonetheless failed to find the right page
< 1752006402 355909 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm wondering if the ? character got stripped somewhere in the pipeline.
< 1752006424 402092 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, the response arrived "too quickly" which is evidence of the search missing
> 1752006450 453999 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: But Is It Art? was designed by User:ais523 in 2017.
< 1752006491 892441 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the wiki agrees that it was 2017 (I couldn't remember the exact year), so that looks like the correct page was found
< 1752006542 99972 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also the generic shape of the response. "X is a fascinating challenge! Let's work step by step:" tastes like the RLHF that was popular about 2-3yrs ago and suggests to me that the response isn't customized for any particular snippets.
< 1752006600 47544 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, it's a very LLVM sort of answer
< 1752006606 942788 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, LLM
< 1752006610 809568 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :LLVM is a compiler backend
< 1752006726 739320 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION reflects that the typo is probably an indication of having their priorities in the right place
< 1752006796 998571 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: How would one write an interpreter for the language But Is It Art?
> 1752006812 818899 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Writing an interpreter for But Is It Art (BIA) is a fascinating challenge! Here's a simplified approach: 1. **Parse:** BIA's code is a series of "art" expressions, which need to be parsed into a structured data format. 2. **Evaluate:** BIA's expressions are evaluated based on their meaning, potentially using a combination of built-in functions and...
> 1752006812 820537 PRIVMSG #esolangs :custom logic. 3. **Output:** The interpreter outputs the result of the evaluation, which could be a string, a number, or even a visual representation. Remember, BIA is about artistic expression, so the interpreter should prioritize readability and flexibility.
< 1752006842 777990 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Cached? So I'd guess that something's not hitting.
< 1752006854 829809 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the original question, it did seem to recognise that I was talking about a programming language, despite the question not stating htat
< 1752006864 709725 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess "write an interpreter" is a sufficiently loaded phrase to suggest it
< 1752006869 355387 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: What is the recommended approach for implementing the language But Is It Art?
< 1752006882 609864 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(with the verb "write" ruling out the other possible meanings of "interpreter")
< 1752006883 216845 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, yeah, that could definitely be a factor.
> 1752006886 745724 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: Implementing "But Is It Art?" is a challenge, as it's a highly experimental language focused on artistic expression. **Recommended approach:** 1. **Embrace ambiguity:** Don't focus on strict syntax. Allow for unconventional code structures and interpretations. 2. **Prioritize visual output:** Use graphics, animations, or interactive elements to...
> 1752006886 745945 PRIVMSG #esolangs :showcase the "art" aspect. 3. **Leverage external tools:** Integrate with libraries for image manipulation, sound synthesis, or other artistic mediums. 4. **Focus on the experience:** Prioritize the user's interaction and the emotional impact of the output. Remember, the goal is to create something unique and visually compelling, not to adhere to...
> 1752006886 746011 PRIVMSG #esolangs :traditional programming paradigms.
< 1752006927 330039 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, it clearly recognises that it's an esolang, but it's unclear whether that was done via retrieval or not
< 1752006970 430697 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in a twisted sense, this is a good answer – it is a hard language to implement correctly, so it is trying to persuade me that implementing it incorrectly would be a more aesthetic approach
< 1752007051 995073 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case, the whole Claude Plays Pokémon thing convinced me that LLMs are incredibly bad at reasoning about 2D space, so it probably wouldn't be able to draw conclusions from the language specification about how it might be implemented
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< 1752015127 830828 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :IBM 305 RAMAC is ... almost ... giving me BytePusher vibes
< 1752015158 294392 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Instructions being a source, a destination, and... some control thing
< 1752015464 841949 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :The control codes are defined by changable hardware wiring
< 1752015705 922136 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ok I need a plugboard tutorial
< 1752016299 136020 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's actually a generic plugboard configuration, so a program can be written entirely as a stored program. But there's a warning that this reduces processing speed
< 1752018326 260897 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Things like multiplication are ... memory/mapped IO I think? Didn't get that far reading yet but there's a reference to a multiplicand track. Although maybe that means something else
< 1752018739 683565 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there are both esoteric and non-esoteric transport-triggered architectures
< 1752018757 253684 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where every instruction except mov is triggered by writing to or reading from particular addresses
< 1752018796 91385 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've used a processor where simple arithmetic and conditional instructions existed (including RMW), but everything more complicated was transport-triggered
< 1752018819 340295 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. to do an indirect memory access (the equivalent of a pointer arithmetic), you would write the address to a known memory location and then read or write to address 0
< 1752018853 520015 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the hardware would intercept attempts to read/write address 0 and instead change the address to match the value in the specific memory location
< 1752019170 741872 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :"each vertical row of hubs"... that's not what the word row means
< 1752020940 607160 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this isn't transport triggered
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< 1752022638 189754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are 10 accumulators, treated as 20 memory locations
< 1752022699 304142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :add/subtract is memory i/o based
< 1752022826 176581 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :So is multiplication
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< 1752039691 423461 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
< 1752039723 80606 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Evening.
< 1752039769 293095 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I beat Mario 1 in 10min at the bar tonight. I'm pretty happy with that. I only had maybe a dozen game-overs and I only died at Bowser once.
< 1752039805 104413 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had wanted to practice a Zelda 3 glitch but all the SNESs were occupied.
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< 1752065335 749959 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I'm pretty sure that the fact that you can make two random shapes in shapez 2 isn't for lookahead... they are generated differently. AFAICS the first type is basically "classic", you make all the slices and stack them. Only features colored basic shapes. The second type uses new features, crystals, and, presumably, pins later on.
< 1752065701 759038 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But you also won't run as much into latency problems because the goal is to deliver a certain number of shapes and that increases by 1k per level (levels are separate for the two types), as far as I can make out.
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< 1752067119 621372 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I've completed a single belt MAM for the first type, with no attempts at fancy logic.)
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< 1752080153 338135 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: so it takes a much longer time to take freeplay levels? and does the game eventually reward you for delivering the harder type of freeplay shapes instead of just the easier ones?
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< 1752082258 788932 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: You mainly just increase your "operator level" which unlocks more space platforms (haven't run into that limit yet...) and sporadically a research that increases a "shape multiplier" (which is applied to shapes delivered to the vortex (hub); I have a 4x multiplier and I don't know whether I'll see 5x; it does mean that 1k shapes is about 83s on a single 180/s belt. Did I write...
< 1752082264 797095 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :..."increases by 1k"? It's 100, so it adds 8.3s per level for a single belt delivery. You can obviously scale up the MAM.) The reward for tackling the harder shapes is that they have their own delivery count, starting at 1k. The reward for tackling the random shapes at all rather than the other ones that you can continuously deliver for getting operator levels is that the counts for those grow...
< 1752082270 806245 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...exponentially.
< 1752082519 202023 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apparently they are cooking a new game mode for their 1.0 release (but playing it safe and keeping what they currently have as "classic mode"). I wonder what that will be. The thing they say they want to address is the tendency to strip down what you've built after an objective is completed.
< 1752082790 915717 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: In the end the main novelty is building in three layers (and there are buildings that occupy more than one layer)... it makes the design challenge noticably more complex. Especially because when you switch from one layer to another vertically, you only get one connection on the two levels that you connect. so there's some zig-zagging involved.
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< 1752108406 423353 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have reprogrammed terry davis' holyc to be written purely in s expressions https://github.com/memesmith0/holylisp/blob/main/holylisp.scm
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< 1752111237 807617 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry about my connection
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> 1752126237 298912 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03I am islptng 5* 10moved [[02User talk:I am islptng10]] to [[User talk:I am islptng/arxiv/2]]: ARCHIVED
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< 1752157237 792514 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION → Bathtub 😌 🐬 🐋
< 1752157239 283406 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :wb ais523
< 1752157295 829325 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs ::-)
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< 1752243325 742238 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I was wrong about shape type 1 in shapez 2; at level 51 for that shape they throw in a new feature (pins). Ironically I reached this point without scaling up the MAM, I just spent hours on logistics (space trains) and designing and refining some basic building blocks while levels solved themselves slowly.
< 1752243433 72606 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway. maybe I'll shut up about it :)
< 1752243497 452289 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't tackled the second shape type (which starts out with crystals, the other new feature, immediately) at all.
< 1752243550 454051 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :New feature of shapes that is.
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< 1752249787 348248 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: "reached this point without scaling up" => based on my Factorio experience, this is normal in an automation game. when you first play the game you build very slowly, so even low throughput production will build up enough. later when you are more familiar with the games, in a new playthrough you can build the same factories much faster, so you have to scale them up so that you don't have to wait
< 1752249793 585573 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for the research or building materials.
< 1752249846 975911 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: "maybe I'll shut up about it" => don't, I am interested to hear. not yet interested enough to spend the time to play shapez 2, maybe later, maybe never, who knows. but hearing about the game from people with similar interests like on #esoteric is exactly how I find out which games are worth to play.
< 1752249879 593408 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure but there's no consumables here (at the difficulty I'm playing there isn't even a blueprint shape though they still have that).
< 1752249894 605400 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"at level 51 for that shape they throw in a new feature (pins)" => this answers my earlier question https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2025-07-09.html#lhb
< 1752249912 128 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: there are, you pay for the number of platforms that you can use
< 1752249913 911044 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I /guess/ the new game mode they've been teasing changes that. Because that's a natural way to keep old factories useful.
< 1752249952 831764 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you still pay for the levels progressing, which is how you got to level 51 so now you have to build more factory before you can claim more levels
< 1752250007 911472 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: oh they have the old progression in there too.. start with single slice, then two, then three, then four. Also start with no color, then primary colors, then secondary colors, and finally white.
< 1752250008 452354 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and the occasional research multiplier)
< 1752250028 248256 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you get holes very early though
< 1752250030 955762 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: how about uncolored quadrants or missing quadrants?
< 1752250064 731277 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :uncolored = no color. everything is per quadrant, but the slices stack cleanly for this type.
< 1752250084 153855 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can have more than one hole in a slice, that's new
< 1752250144 263726 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do they still sometimes break the symmetry of a shape by removing one quadrant? that one infuriated me very much in shapez 1, and makes the MAM slightly bigger
< 1752250163 371609 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they hardly have any symmetric shapes at all
< 1752250186 451359 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The very first shape I got had three different corners (all uncolored) and a hole.
< 1752250215 679864 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well it's not a problem until you have multiple layers
< 1752250243 135666 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which I guess could have a mirror symmetry in theory, broken by the hole. But no, you have no symmetry later on either.
< 1752250278 371946 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe to prevent people from trying to construct factories that exploit those symmetries ;-)
< 1752250691 659703 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in factorio 1, I was at first thinking that I'll paint then stack four full painted layers, cut the four layer shape to four quadrants, one for each of four future output shapes, then join these quadrants. even without symmetry, this would save on cutters. this could never work, because there can be missing corners, so I never really built it, except for two of the four layers which my factory does join
< 1752250697 666610 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then cut. symmetry helps a bit because I only need three painting lines per layer instead of four, with three set of color selectors. this is convenient because one painting line is double sized, but with double painters it still only needs just one belt of pigment, so it saves seven pigment filters per layer.
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< 1752257917 972554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder what the maximum computational class is for a computing-like device that executes instructions on punched card (so, only reading instructions linearly) or paper tape (a paper tape can have a loop by physically gluing parts of it together)
< 1752257968 507241 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I want to understand the IBM CPC but its manual says it requires familiarity with two other manuals, and makes mention of even more manuals that I can't find
< 1752258293 322110 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: There's a late game shapez 1 MAM concept that actually does the quadrant thing, exploiting the fact that there's at most one hole and that from a certain point onward, all shapes have four layers, so you can always a top part of a quadrant down after the fact. (It also uses mixed belts for shape and color selection and afaik nobody ever did the actual resource collection for that, but...
< 1752258299 330591 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...there's a prototype with item producers)
< 1752258356 1787 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: and that helps because stack-then-cut needs fewer full stacking stages too
< 1752258434 122890 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :link was https://old.reddit.com/r/shapezio/comments/11e54on/20_sec_bmam_flushless/
< 1752258482 701706 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it doesn't support shapes with fewer than four layers at all)
< 1752258608 943138 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Have I guessed correctly that "MAM" in this context means something like a "make-anything machine"?
< 1752258650 545363 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: yes
< 1752258685 701803 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: with "anything" coming with an asterisk; it's usually restricted to the random shapes that the game can actually request in the late stages.
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< 1752259425 807062 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :reminder that https://sites.google.com/view/shapezio/home#h.c55sei35cjj4as some docs and screenshots about my shapez.io 1 MAM. not complete and not quite up to date, but close enough.
< 1752259564 602812 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I believe I have a save file of that... yup, from a bit over 3 years ago by the looks of it.
< 1752259586 457663 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that page however doesn't explain the stacker shortcuts in the part that makes the two complete layers
< 1752259719 571847 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good Night
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< 1752507816 488712 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do Bubblegum, Malbolge, and other source-encrypted languages have native type theories? I think that the answer is "yes" but I'm open to discussion.
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< 1752518670 302810 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I think the answer might depend on the language
< 1752518702 24620 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. Bubblegum is effectively Python from the type-theory point of view – you can (at least in theory) make the program valid by adding a comment and that has no type-theoretical impact
< 1752518722 283280 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whereas for Malbolge, the fact that the commands change when executed feels like it might be something that is part of a type theory
< 1752518743 934299 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in particular, which cycle a command belongs to is considered a very important aspect of Malbolge programming
< 1752518764 156281 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, the native type theory (NTT?) knows what Bubblegum's ints are, because they're equivalent to Python's ints under the encryption. Encryption only makes it hard for us to compute whether programs are equivalent, but it doesn't change whether that equivalence exists.
< 1752518784 467187 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but, commands can be overwritten in memory, moving them onto other cycles, and in practice usually are because most of the useful cycles aren't accessible from the source code)
< 1752518807 73832 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think Bubblegum is more of a signed programming language than an encrypted programming language
< 1752518833 973227 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is comparatively easy to determine whether a Bubblegum program would be interpreted as Python, and if it is, it is exactly equivalent to the Python program with the same source code
< 1752518864 12815 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, it is difficult to find the right magic comment to make the interpreter treat it as Python rather than as raw compressed data to output
< 1752518904 384255 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :A Pear Tree is also an interesting example – it's in the same area as Bubblegum, except that the task of finding the correct magic comment actually is computationally tractable
< 1752518966 251568 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(which was intentional – I've written quite a few A Pear Tree programs, but it would be difficult without having a chosen-prefix-preimage algorithm available)
< 1752519093 229001 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think A Pear Tree is different from Bubblegum here. I mean, obviously it's got a different topology, but it *has* a topology.
< 1752519121 195251 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, they're in the same category of languages, even though the applications are completely different
< 1752519143 706100 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :A Pear Tree is designed to let you specify redundant versions of your program, so that it can still run correctly if some of them are damaged
< 1752519154 559631 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :As usual, But Is It Art? is a bit of a question. Wang tiles have a NTT though, based on the idea that the *set* of Wang tiles has a topology of subsets, so maybe BIIA? also admits something where we consider the set of tiles and its subsets.
< 1752519157 473717 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and even to react to the exact nature of the damage, if necessary)
< 1752519196 25327 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do languages like Deadfish have a native type theory? I'm guessing "yes, but it's degenerate"
< 1752519198 819758 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I suppose it's worth remembering that the NTT of a language might have nothing to do with the strategies that we use for encoding simple examples, or even for larger encodings like homomorphisms or compilation schemes.
< 1752519263 72931 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. I don't know *how* it degenerates offhand, but I can imagine that there are two equivalent Deadfish programs, and that's enough for a non-trivial NTT.
< 1752519264 162647 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BIIA? feels to me more like a language *backend* than a language itself, from the type-theoretical point of view
< 1752519296 465358 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you do have a type theory, but certain programming patterns give you a richer type theory
< 1752519330 55443 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. An NTT will always be dependently-typed, but maybe there aren't any interesting type constructors.
< 1752519374 635126 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example, you can imagine a BIAA? program where all the commands are almost-rectangles whose sides are multiples of a particular constant, and you connect them together jigsaw-style by placing protusions on the sides that match recesses on the sides of other almost-rectangles
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< 1752519394 433045 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in that case, the program is parametric over the shapes of the protusions
< 1752519394 722873 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although NTT usually will at least have Hoare logic. The reason that Wang tiles and BIIA? are weird here is precisely because they don't admit a Hoare logic either.
< 1752519440 865097 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BIIA? with arbitrary shapes is much harder to reason about
< 1752519471 765584 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually, I guess I am thinking about a compiler from Wang tiles to BIIA? – the compilation is clearly very easy but there are multiple equivalent ways to do it
< 1752519499 141108 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think I would want a way to abstract over the difference in details, *but* I am not sure that that abstraction would generalise to arbitrary BIIA? programs
< 1752519595 180394 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…and now I have an esolang idea: BIIA? but the corners aren't limited to 90° and the sides aren't limited to integers, and a program halts if it is unable to tile the plane
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< 1752519702 702721 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suspect this is both a little harder to program in than BIIA? and substantially harder to implement, so there aren't any real advantages other than the aesthetics
< 1752519704 962450 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that might be enough
< 1752519757 683295 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm pretty sure it's at least TC, but am not sure it is computable, even if you require the side lengths and angles to be computable)
< 1752519923 144660 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess that it depends on what a language is. If a language is a collection of texts with some attached semantics, and semantics have some ordering or equivalence, then there's an underlying category or groupoid which leads to NTT.
< 1752519941 156869 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So escaping that means not having texts, not having semantics, or not having ordering or equivalence.
< 1752520125 235654 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :For Wang tiles, consider a set of tiles that is TC and that also has two different subsets which are TC. Those subsets are non-trivially equivalent, so we get a groupoid. I think this applies to BIIA? as well. I have no idea about your new extension though.
< 1752520193 600829 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...Wait, the equivalence might not be a bijection, so we get a category. Still works for NTT.
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< 1752523105 215784 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know what "native type theory" means
< 1752523253 304916 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a specific construction in category theory that assigns a dependent type theory to programming languages. This blog post is a pretty good introduction: https://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2021/02/native_type_theory.html
< 1752523281 455045 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, I will look
< 1752523325 888440 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If the original language is a constructive dependently-typed theory already, then it *is* its own native type theory. That's the intuition. For languages like Python, type-like concepts like ints and lists are identifiable, and we can do Hoare logic over them.
< 1752523808 464677 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: BIIA kind of also lets you encode redundant copies of the program so if one is damaged the program still works and the damaged shapes can't fit anywhere. except this doesn't work if the damage creates a small shape (or a few small shapes) that tile the plane, eg. a one-tile shape, either by adding a new shape or cutting off a small piece of an existing shape.
< 1752525773 282811 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Meh, SendGrid is turning off their free tier (which I use for esolangs.org outgoing emails) in two weeks or so. Have to migrate to something else.
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< 1752680498 887544 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still think that we are failing to prevent our users from harm when we allow them to submit ChatGPT output to the wiki.
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< 1752688744 586887 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: FWIW: all shape request sizes grow exponentially, but the random (MAM) shapes use a significantly lower base: https://paste.debian.net/1386189/ (this is obscured early on because the numbers are truncated to one or two decimal places)
< 1752688804 967738 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: so you get somewhat uneven levels: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-500.jpg (the crystal MAM is the newest so lagging far behind)
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< 1752691904 110675 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int: the level numbers in those boxes are confusing. 38, 42, 45, 46, 46, 49, 49, 48, 87, 50.
< 1752691977 139546 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, are all ten of those series infinite?
< 1752693794 272879 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: yeah, each tracks its own level. the "operator level" is the sum of all of them
< 1752693859 776217 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see! Then I misunderstood you earlier, I thought there were only two independent infinite series of requested shapes.
< 1752693896 895799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are only two random ones, which are the most interesting to tackle
< 1752693907 444655 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This means that you don't lose time from latency, because you can alternate between series
< 1752693923 4753 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, the random ones are more interesting? why?
< 1752693952 855304 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because that's MAM territory
< 1752693964 583645 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I assumed the eight non-random ones were effectively random too (except in the first few dozen levels), just the same seeded sequence in every game, while the other two have different seeds in every map
< 1752693969 973611 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway I have two different MAMs
< 1752693981 736029 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do the first eight series do then?
< 1752693988 253969 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :No for the first 8 you just produce more and more of that one shape.
< 1752694018 332860 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, so those are like the three upgrade shapes plus the glue tape in Factorio 1
< 1752694020 392190 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :They're like the upgrade shapes in shapes 1.
< 1752694033 572370 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/Factorio/Shapez.io
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< 1752694081 914775 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is one of them train fuel?
< 1752694098 553453 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's technically still something to upgrade but the next one is at level 588 and would bump the "shape multiplier" that's currently at 5 to 6. It's not relevant.
< 1752694135 153805 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are no consumables at this difficulty. I think they have the blueprint thing on the next harder one. I don't think that there's anything for supporting infrastructure; it just runs.
< 1752694187 153053 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did find an older blog post about their alternative game mode... the idea there is that you get, on the map, converters that take in some shape and produce a new shape type that you can't harvest anywhere else.
< 1752694201 364995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So... that would be a consumable of sorts, I guess.
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< 1752694309 733467 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway. You *can* play the "numbers go up" game and then you will be scaling up your factory. I have only done this in moderation for this playthrough. I'll idle the last two shapes up to 100 to see if that adds a new twist (I rather doubt it, but they did one at level 50). And then probably look at the more complex shapes. There's a hexagonal shape mode too.
< 1752694411 832802 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suspect somebody will push this to level 1000; it should be within reach (based on what I have, and considering that it can probably be scaled up at least 8-fold and I still have less than 100h on this save file)
< 1752694446 532210 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Or maybe somebody *has* pushed it to level 1000; I don't know.)
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< 1752694676 390668 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"it's not relevant" - obviously the shape factor helps; a factor 5 is worth 160 levels asymptotically. But it doesn't significantly change the doubling = 70 levels math.
< 1752694882 568646 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Anyway, i think that the latency is still relevant because the two random shapes are generated differently so it's easier to have two distinct MAMs for the types. But it's less relevant in the long run because the delivery times will go up and eventually dwarf the switchover time.
< 1752694934 924913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Very much unlike shapes 1.
< 1752694957 283651 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shapez.io
< 1752695002 706855 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: well shapez 1 adds a new twist after a while, but it's not really a feature, rather the weird fps-related bugs and hard to predict speeds behave differently when your upgrade speeds are very high
< 1752695132 505939 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Right, I consider the latter a bug. I designed my MAMs for 10x speedup, never upgrading beyond that, for that reason.
< 1752695220 745738 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: anyway, to give you an idea: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-first-mams.jpg -- type 1 MAM to the top, type 2 MAM to the left. There's a bunch of shared stuff but the final processing is different. Oh and the bottom two 3x3 platforms contain shape processing logic; you can send signals globally and I used that quite a lot.
< 1752695328 547932 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And they both saturate 2 belts in the end... but they also take up so much space that scaling them up as is would be painful.
< 1752695464 754857 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, I spotted what's arguably a twist at level 80 of the crystal shape type
< 1752695494 216199 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but it's not one that I need to change my design for)
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< 1752695611 685899 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I blame the fact that UPS becomes an issue in shapez 1 mostly on Javascript. It does become a design constraint. And I was annoyed when I realized this because I had pretty much finished an 8xMAM design only to realize that it would be slower than expected because of the reduced update rate.
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< 1752724490 487785 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I read in a book about a kind of logic that the value can be a set of booleans; NOT X is true iff X is false and false iff X is true; X AND Y is true if both are and false if at least one is; X OR Y is true if at least one is and false if both are. (So, I think law of excluded middle will not be valid with a kind of logic that is possible to assign values in this way.)
< 1752724510 800204 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Other variants are possible, e.g. using a multiset instead of a set
< 1752724519 375336 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although, they did not mention this other variant in that book)
< 1752724635 389431 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. Such sets are called "Boolean algebras", which is a painful name. I think of them as "CABAs", complete atomic Boolean algebras. For a set of labels S, its CABA is the function type S → 2 which sends each s in S to a Boolean value.
< 1752724822 196987 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It turns out that sets and CABAs are only equivalent with excluded middle. Otherwise there are CABAs which aren't dual to any particular set.
< 1752724857 692231 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(If you are using multisets, then the value of X AND Y will be whichever is less true and more false, I think.)
< 1752724866 50044 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Or, more technically, it turns out that power sets P(S) and CABAs S → 2 are *not* the same sort of thing without excluded middle.)
< 1752724925 531614 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. Multisets give free vector spaces over the integers Z, I think? Or something like Z-modules.
< 1752724951 835941 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And logic over vector spaces -- or spaces in general -- doesn't have to be Boolean.
< 1752725066 727854 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :With the original one from the book that I mentioned, you could perhaps add a set complement operator and then make up a variant of law of excluded middle which will use that, which will be true regardless of what values you assign to the symbols (in some cases it is false and true, but always it will be true whether or not it is also false).
< 1752725132 903965 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. And any decent logic will have double-negation (X implies ~~X) and non-contradiction (it's not true that X & ~X) as theorems or axioms.
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< 1752749510 170585 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
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> 1752764012 124713 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=161363&oldid=161354 5* 03Pifrited 5* (+1227) 10/* Commands */
> 1752764163 200160 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=161364&oldid=161363 5* 03Pifrited 5* (+3) 10Typo
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< 1752776281 411120 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :uh… there might be an olist, but https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots.html lists the latest strips in a weird order, as in 1329, 1330, 1328, 1327, ... so I can't quite confirm yet
< 1752776457 787044 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`olist 1330
< 1752776461 380355 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist : shachaf oerjan Sgeo boily nortti b_jonas Noisytoot
< 1752776463 93880 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I dont' know why the order is so weird
< 1752776619 439575 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas, I just posted about it in the forum
< 1752776692 862 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, other people mentioned it on Bluesky too
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> 1752779778 234128 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=161365&oldid=161364 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+85) 10
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< 1752791072 125200 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good Night
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> 1752801238 725781 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox/OotT ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=161367&oldid=161366 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+146) 10
< 1752801303 729226 :amby!~ambylastn@ward-15-b2-v4wan-167229-cust809.vm18.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
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> 1752812344 4993 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Zobie211 5* 10New user account
> 1752812910 4524 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=161368&oldid=161358 5* 03Zobie211 5* (+382) 10
> 1752813038 259468 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Zobie21114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=161369 5* 03Zobie211 5* (+124) 10Describing the joke lang I wish to archive. As of yet unnamed. Maybe Deep End?
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