00:20:40 What random number generator should I change it to, to use 256-bits? 01:05:21 -!- amby has quit (Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement). 02:47:01 -!- amadaluzia has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 02:54:07 -!- amadaluzia has joined. 02:56:52 -!- lynndotpy6 has quit (Quit: bye bye). 02:57:14 -!- amadaluzia has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:57:34 -!- amadaluzia has joined. 02:57:42 -!- lynndotpy6 has joined. 02:58:50 -!- amadaluzia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:00:01 -!- amadaluzia has joined. 03:17:34 -!- amadaluzia has quit (Quit: You). 03:40:32 [[User:Pifrited/PasteBin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163423&oldid=163279 * Pifrited * (+184) 03:49:37 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Plasmatoroid * New user account 03:50:32 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:51:25 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 04:17:04 [[User:Pifrited/PasteBin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163424&oldid=163423 * Pifrited * (+1985) 05:06:05 [[Monoid]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163425&oldid=163410 * Corbin * (+325) /* NP-completeness */ Special case. 05:35:46 -!- sftp has quit (Server closed connection). 05:37:38 -!- sftp has joined. 05:37:38 -!- sftp has changed hostmask to ~sftp@user/sftp. 05:43:30 [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163426&oldid=148158 * Corbin * (+1792) /* Group formulation */ The group/monoid approach won't work, at least not over this simple relation. 05:49:31 -!- b_jonas has quit (Quit: leaving). 05:54:20 -!- molson has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:11:04 -!- tromp has joined. 06:22:42 [[User:Pifrited/How Alternating Checkerboard rule emulate work]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=163427 * Pifrited * (+64) . 07:08:15 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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This language is more similar to 08:58:47 The fourth wiki entry starting with chicken (fewer than I was expecting) 09:05:27 zzo38: I think newer games have moved to cryptographic random generators (e.g. SHA256) if truly unpredictable numbers are needed, like in PvP. They need more cpu cycles though. 09:09:18 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Radson * New user account 09:11:06 (if complete unpredictability isn't needed, I doubt that 256 bits is necessary) 09:28:26 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Psuranas * New user account 09:37:47 [[Chicken chicken chicken: chicken chicken]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163429&oldid=163428 * None1 * (+179) 09:48:32 -!- tromp has joined. 10:11:01 [[Chicken chicken chicken: chicken chicken]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163430&oldid=163429 * None1 * (+11808) 10:11:30 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163431&oldid=163390 * None1 * (+47) /* C */ 10:11:55 [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163432&oldid=161166 * None1 * (+48) 10:12:22 [[Chicken chicken chicken: chicken chicken]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163433&oldid=163430 * None1 * (-3) 10:12:32 [[Chicken chicken chicken: chicken chicken]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163434&oldid=163433 * None1 * (+2) /* =Empty sentences */ 10:12:55 [[Chicken]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163435&oldid=137156 * None1 * (+14) 10:13:44 [[Chicken chicken chicken: chicken chicken]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163436&oldid=163434 * None1 * (+113) 10:15:43 [[Ccc:cc]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=163437 * None1 * (+54) Redirected page to [[Chicken chicken chicken: chicken chicken]] 11:02:55 [[Dumbascii]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163438&oldid=163406 * None1 * (+29) 11:06:12 [[Talk:Sharp flat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163439&oldid=163228 * None1 * (+347) 11:10:57 [[Dt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163440&oldid=163389 * C++DSUCKER * (+577) 11:12:15 [[^]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163441&oldid=153855 * None1 * (+29) /* Interpreter */ be more specific 11:12:33 [[Dt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163442&oldid=163440 * C++DSUCKER * (+26) 11:12:42 [[Dt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163443&oldid=163442 * C++DSUCKER * (+2) 11:12:54 [[Dt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163444&oldid=163443 * C++DSUCKER * (-1) 11:15:11 [[Dt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163445&oldid=163444 * C++DSUCKER * (-7) 11:15:24 [[Dt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163446&oldid=163445 * C++DSUCKER * (-9) 11:24:30 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:45:10 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 12:17:48 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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(idont have context) 19:00:07 -!- user3456 has joined. 19:00:31 -!- user3456 has changed nick to Guest8291. 19:01:15 -!- Guest8291 has changed hostmask to user3456@user/user3456. 19:01:46 -!- Guest8291 has changed nick to user3456. 19:12:53 -!- DOS_User_webchat has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:24:36 web.medium: points -9.93, score 13.47, rank 46/47 19:29:25 web.medium: points -5.88, score 17.53, rank 25/47 (+21) 19:37:16 Nighty-Night * 19:38:36 web.medium: points -2.48, score 20.12, rank 18/47 (+7) 19:45:27 web.medium: points -0.93, score 21.52, rank 16/47 (+2) 19:47:06 zzo38: so one possibility is to hash consecutive integers, then split each resulting hash into small segments and treat each of those segments as a random result 19:47:29 that way, one hashing operation gives you several random results, so it helps to reduce the performance hit of using the hashing algorithm 19:53:18 web.medium: points -0.21, score 22.15, rank 15/47 (+1) 20:19:47 web.medium: points -0.10, score 22.20, rank 15/47 (--) 20:21:33 web.medium: points 1.81, score 23.93, rank 12/47 (+3) 20:34:17 web.medium: points 1.83, score 23.95, rank 12/47 (--) 20:35:00 web.medium: points 1.93, score 24.04, rank 12/47 (--) 20:42:35 web.medium: points 2.14, score 24.22, rank 12/47 (--) 20:46:09 web.medium: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-35) 20:46:45 !zjoust medium http://nethack4.org/pastebin/medium.bfjoust 20:46:46 ais523.medium: points 2.14, score 24.22, rank 12/47 20:47:08 (I was initially just messing around but this does much better than I expected) 20:47:32 that said, I think the general strategy is too unstable for it to become a champion 20:52:17 !zjoust medium http://nethack4.org/pastebin/medium.bfjoust 20:52:17 ais523.medium: points 2.62, score 25.27, rank 10/47 (+2) 20:56:46 !zjoust medium http://nethack4.org/pastebin/medium.bfjoust 20:56:47 ais523.medium: points 2.81, score 25.56, rank 9/47 (+1) 20:57:32 it now beats 8 out of the top 10 programs, losing to two_thirds and tying with itself 20:58:15 it turns out that the standard strategy that most of the winners use is predictable enough to take advantage of it 21:00:33 -!- amadaluzia_ has joined. 21:01:42 -!- amadaluzia has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 21:14:14 [[BF Joust strategies]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163457&oldid=149567 * Ais523 * (+787) /* Accelerated clear */ new section 21:21:09 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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[[Category:Languages] 22:45:11 do we really need a quineless version of every language that just prints a fixed string? 22:47:20 . o O ( We have the answers to your rhetorical questions. ) 23:09:59 If you can tell me what [[category:nope. derivatives]] should be renamed to -- something like [[category:constant languages]] or [[category:constants]] -- then I'll do the needful. 23:10:33 Also, I'd be willing to fill out [[category:quine-avoiding languages]]; maybe that could go through the talk-page process. 23:38:54 korvo: might be worth discussing the name on the categorisation page 23:39:16 the name "constant string printers" came to mind, but I think we normally use that for esolangs which allow you to choose which constant string gets printed 23:39:50 in general it is a bad idea to make big changes to categories without discussion, it is hard for individual people get it right on their own (I know I struggle with it) 23:47:11 -!- FreeFull has quit. 23:52:45 [[BF Joust strategies]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163459&oldid=163457 * Ais523 * (+4) /* Clear */ fix capitalisation of [[brainfuck]] 23:57:11 [[BF Joust strategies]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163460&oldid=163459 * Ais523 * (+0) /* Careless clear */ the example didn't match the commentary change the commentary to match