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00:35:48 <esolangs> [[User:Proxxa/Deadbeat]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165141&oldid=165140 * Proxxa * (+11) /* Unwrapping */ clarity
00:42:12 <esolangs> [[User:Proxxa/Deadbeat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165142&oldid=165141 * Proxxa * (+182) /* Unwrapping */ Change example to ordered list of execution
01:40:05 <Sgeo> Esoteric operating system idea: When creating a file, its size needs to be declared up front. It can grow, but the amount it can grow also needs to be predeclared. The file can grow to primary size + secondary size * 15
01:40:13 <Sgeo> </pretending-retrocomputing-is-esoteric>
02:16:37 <korvo> Yeah, reminds me of the UNIX-vs-Pascal arguments.
02:30:17 * Sgeo had OS/360 in mind
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03:23:43 <korvo> Started a tracking issue for NQL improvements over the past couple years: https://github.com/MostAwesomeDude/bb-gauge/issues/1 I'm hoping to establish some sort of maintained NQL toolchain.
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16:52:54 <b_jonas> re https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2025-08.html#lcwb the semantics of NEXT when combined with GOTO in BASIC, I found a partial answer about Microsoft BASIC at https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/NEXT#Early_exits_from_FOR-NEXT_loops and it's complicated
16:53:01 <b_jonas> well, a Microsoft BASIC derivative
16:53:21 <b_jonas> but I assume they don't differ in this respect
16:54:07 <b_jonas> for a more complete answer I assume I'd have to read the commented ROM disassemblies
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17:51:18 <ais523> b_jonas: huh, so NEXT in at least some old BASICs and NEXT in INTERCAL are both implemented using the stack? (but in different directions)
17:51:45 <b_jonas> ais523: I don't think it's *the* stack. it's a stack.
17:52:10 <ais523> b_jonas: it says "the return stack" and following the link clarifies that it means memory from 0x100 to 0x1FF
17:52:16 <ais523> which is where the actual hardware stack is on a 6502
17:53:17 <b_jonas> I don't see how you could use just one stack for both GOSUB and FOR though
17:53:20 <ais523> (this design allows the stack pointer to be only 8 bits wide)
17:53:32 <ais523> b_jonas: you can't NEXT out of a subroutine into its caller
17:53:38 <ais523> so having them share the stack should be fine
17:54:44 <ais523> a subroutine makes no net change to the stack, nor does it care what's above it
17:55:03 <ais523> I guess this could go wrong if you did a GOTO out of a FOR…NEXT inside a subroutine, and then tried to return from the subroutine
17:56:41 <b_jonas> ais523: what happens if you FOR inside a GOSUB subroutine with the same variable as an active FOR loop outside the subroutine? the page I linked says that if you FOR with the same variable as an active FOR then the FOR stack is popped until it reaches the outer FOR loop. but then either you have to store the RETURN addresses elsewhere, or such a FOR would break the RETURN
17:57:53 <ais523> b_jonas: oh, that's probably illegal, BASIC doesn't have lexical scope I think
17:58:12 <ais523> so you couldn't use the same variable name in the subroutine and the caller
17:58:45 <b_jonas> you can use the same variable name, it just refers to the same (global) variable
17:58:56 <ais523> b_jonas: right, and you can't have two FOR loops on the same variable at once
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18:10:36 <b_jonas> if that's how it works then could you abuse this to FORGET out of a GOSUB subroutine using a dummy FOR statement?
18:12:58 <b_jonas> heck, if you could use BASIC NEXT to INTERCAL FORGET out of a BASIC GOSUB (=INTERCAL NEXT) that would be funny
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19:17:00 <zzo38> I think at least in some versions of Microsoft BASIC, you can use RETURN with a label or line number, and I have used that in one program to work like the DO RESUME #2 of INTERCAL.
19:24:49 <zzo38> (However, I think that, although GOSUB and RETURN can be used inside of a subroutine that is defined by a SUB or FUNCTION block, you cannot use RETURN with a label in that case.)
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