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< 1759372514 360831 :strerror!~strerror@user/strerror PRIVMSG #esolangs :Came across some old, but relevant, slides: http://www.demarcken.org/carl/papers/ITA-software-travel-complexity/ITA-software-travel-complexity.pdf
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ACTION has his 042nd Birthday today. The Answer to Life, the Multiverses, and everything!      😌

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< 1759461857 930935 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are there other examples of bounded Brainfuck? It could be worth making yet another clearinghouse page if so.
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> 1759488059 291296 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fraction14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165499&oldid=165498 5* 03U 5* (+6) 10
> 1759488086 643619 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fraction14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165500&oldid=165499 5* 03U 5* (-32) 10
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> 1759493539 819895 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Pifrited/Lang full of special character14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165502&oldid=165501 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+33) 10
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> 1759495839 610298 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Pifrited/Lang full of special character14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165503&oldid=165502 5* 03Pifrited 5* (-27) 10
> 1759496051 247803 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fraction14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165504&oldid=165500 5* 03U 5* (-10) 10
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< 1759496622 132623 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest epsilon >+>-(>)*6(>[-[++([(+[{(-)*11(-[{(-)*97[-][++-]>}])%13}])%11]>)*21]])*5(<-<+)*5<+[<<(--+-)*-1]-<-[<(--+-)*-1]+((+)*5>(-)*5>)*6(<(-)*7<(+)*7)*6((+)*13>(-)*13>)*6((>[-[++([(+[{(-)*16(-[{[-][++-+-]>}])%18}])%16]>)*21]])*5>)*3
< 1759496622 164764 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01: System busy; ask again later.
< 1759496649 49191 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest epsilon >+>-(>)*6(>[-[++([(+[{(-)*11(-[{(-)*97[-][++-]>}])%13}])%11]>)*21]])*5(<-<+)*5<+[<<(--+-)*-1]-<-[<(--+-)*-1]+((+)*5>(-)*5>)*6(<(-)*7<(+)*7)*6((+)*13>(-)*13>)*6((>[-[++([(+[{(-)*16(-[{[-][++-+-]>}])%18}])%16]>)*21]])*5>)*3
< 1759496649 76589 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01: System busy; ask again later.
< 1759496665 953685 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest epsilon >+>-(>)*6(>[-[++([(+[{(-)*11(-[{(-)*97[-][++-]>}])%13}])%11]>)*21]])*5(<-<+)*5<+[<<(--+-)*-1]-<-[<(--+-)*-1]+((+)*5>(-)*5>)*6(<(-)*7<(+)*7)*6((+)*13>(-)*13>)*6((>[-[++([(+[{(-)*16(-[{[-][++-+-]>}])%18}])%16]>)*21]])*5>)*3
< 1759496665 981128 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01: System busy; ask again later.
< 1759496697 678881 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^echo !ztest epsilon >+>-(>)*6(>[-[++([(+[{(-)*11(-[{(-)*97[-][++-]>}])%13}])%11]>)*21]])*5(<-<+)*5<+[<<(--+-)*-1]-<-[<(--+-)*-1]+((+)*5>(-)*5>)*6(<(-)*7<(+)*7)*6((+)*13>(-)*13>)*6((>[-[++([(+[{(-)*16(-[{[-][++-+-]>}])%18}])%16]>)*21]])*5>)*3
< 1759496697 746585 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest epsilon >+>-(>)*6(>[-[++([(+[{(-)*11(-[{(-)*97[-][++-]>}])%13}])%11]>)*21]])*5(<-<+)*5<+[<<(--+-)*-1]-<-[<(--+-)*-1]+((+)*5>(-)*5>)*6(<(-)*7<(+)*7)*6((+)*13>(-)*13>)*6((>[-[++([(+[{(-)*16(-[{[-][++-+- ...
< 1759496697 774259 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: System busy; ask again later.
< 1759496697 908398 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :zemhill: ya know, that guy
< 1759496707 594564 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :help
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< 1759497498 221932 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine
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< 1759497517 995573 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1759497542 65981 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in
< 1759499290 64177 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh.
< 1759499298 992113 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest foo <
< 1759499299 45544 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: System busy; ask again later.
< 1759499303 544276 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is bork.
< 1759499571 876516 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's gone wrong in some way, but my logs on this aren't particularly informative: https://0x0.st/KMVP.txt
< 1759499671 117446 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't even remember how that whole machinery works.
< 1759499783 746028 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think those bits have something to do with handling submissions sent over the web, which arrive on a Unix domain socket.
< 1759499854 514305 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Eh, I'll just restart it and wait to see if it breaks again.
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< 1759499879 827497 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest foo <
< 1759499879 878701 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie.foo: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47
< 1759499893 376454 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs ::shrug:
< 1759499931 549005 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like I started a from-scratch rewrite of that whole mess at some point (as one does) and then stopped halfway through (as one also does).
< 1759500318 957012 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname
< 1759500566 969927 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh, what the...
< 1759500697 536764 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I guess it's being used through the web.
< 1759500711 136637 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :web.torshavn: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-16)
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< 1759500780 745219 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust epsilon >+>-(>)*6(>[-[++([(+[{(-)*11(-[{(-)*97[-][++-]>}])%13}])%11]>)*21]])*5(<-<+)*5<+[<<(--+-)*-1]-<-[<(--+-)*-1]+((+)*5>(-)*5>)*6(<(-)*7<(+)*7)*6<(+)*43>((+)*17>(-)*17>)*4>>>>((>[-[++([(+[{(-)*16(-[{[-][++-+-]>}])%18}])%16]>)*21]])*5>)*3
< 1759500781 75127 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.epsilon: points 15.12, score 44.55, rank 2/47
< 1759500927 956728 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :almost...
< 1759500930 756383 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs : that was amongst the most sophisticated 1-line rush program, only to be suppressed by 2/3
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> 1759503443 326587 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Marcel36414]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165505 5* 03Marcel364 5* (+485) 10Added everything lol XD
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> 1759508786 534713 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03SDGL4RNG 5*  10New user account
> 1759509019 584513 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165506&oldid=165463 5* 03SDGL4RNG 5* (+297) 10
> 1759509866 693057 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Satans Disciples GangLang $14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165507 5* 03SDGL4RNG 5* (+2034) 10Created page with "Satan's Disciples GangLang is an output only esolang which prints a highly composable programmatic function that reads as "YO! I am the Gang Leader of the Satan's Disciples."  == Data storage ==  Data is stored ''at most'' in People's brains.  == Pr
> 1759510173 538901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Satans Disciples GangLang $14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165508&oldid=165507 5* 03SDGL4RNG 5* (-28) 10
> 1759510390 670654 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Satans Disciples GangLang $14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165509&oldid=165508 5* 03SDGL4RNG 5* (+32) 10
> 1759510481 831188 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GangLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165510&oldid=118689 5* 03SDGL4RNG 5* (+51) 10
> 1759510514 587362 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GangLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165511&oldid=165510 5* 03SDGL4RNG 5* (+2) 10
< 1759510824 766689 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :cu
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> 1759515881 652306 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GangLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165512&oldid=165511 5* 03Corbin 5* (+24) 10A bit of cleanup for a joke language.
> 1759515924 467237 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GangLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165513&oldid=165512 5* 03Corbin 5* (+18) 10Tracked down the year from the reference implementation's commit history.
> 1759516016 332941 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Satans Disciples GangLang $14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165514&oldid=165509 5* 03Corbin 5* (-181) 10Not TC. Not even obviously a language. In general, output-only systems aren't going to be TC.
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< 1759521466 783502 :user3456!user3456@user/user3456 PART #esolangs :Leaving
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> 1759523247 641245 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:UserEdited14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165515&oldid=165494 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+412) 10
> 1759523319 511293 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fucktion14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165516&oldid=165437 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+6) 10/* Fucktion Generator */  replaced the precent thing into a format-string
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> 1759524067 344878 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07T+Riangle14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165517 5* 03C++DSUCKER 5* (+871) 10Created page with "T+Riangle is a esolang Inspired by [[R + S|R + S]]  it operates on a left infinite array of bits and 7 bits of state.  At every step it picks the 7 bits of state for all the bits apart from the MSB, and the MSB becomes the next bit. if the bit is at position 0 then 
> 1759524200 282899 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165518&oldid=165466 5* 03C++DSUCKER 5* (+16) 10i added my 'lovely' language
> 1759525394 257336 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07T+Riangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165519&oldid=165517 5* 03C++DSUCKER 5* (+33) 10
< 1759525931 445034 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought in a operating system design about how many system calls, and I had considered the possibility to have only one system call, in order to avoid some problems with synchronization. The parameters would be: blocking flag, hard yield flag, and the (possibly empty) set of capabilities to use and the operations to do with them (receive, send, discard, lock, etc).
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> 1759538244 114725 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Pifrited/Lang full of special character14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165520&oldid=165503 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+53) 10
< 1759541601 826737 :mscibing!~ajwade@bras-base-toroon0648w-grc-42-184-148-88-98.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated!
< 1759543421 413034 :amby!~ambylastn@host-92-17-32-126.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
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< 1759549994 3985 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you have an opinion about that?
> 1759551472 341762 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Teiwaz14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165521 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+37207) 10Created page with "Teiwaz is a programming language designed by PSTF. In the timeline 284436, it was designed by Wolfgang Thinnosk in Scandinavia Union as variant of Python which was created by Guido von Rossum of Netherlands in the timeline 1.  The document is also in the timeline 
> 1759552138 292969 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165522&oldid=165518 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+40) 10
> 1759552663 901203 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Aadenboy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165523&oldid=164632 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+62) 10
> 1759552967 91808 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165524&oldid=164600 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+109) 10
> 1759555096 317711 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165525&oldid=160231 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+3304) 10
> 1759555163 268561 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165526&oldid=165525 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+24) 10
< 1759555391 624668 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
> 1759556095 43273 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165527&oldid=165526 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+264) 10/* Common extension */
> 1759556157 511100 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165528&oldid=165527 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+0) 10/* Common extension */
> 1759556179 704910 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:UserEdited/Versions14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165529 5* 03Jk.NDC 5* (+137) 10Created page with "What does TBR mean? Is there something special about it?--~~~~"
> 1759556181 251883 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165530&oldid=165528 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+0) 10/* Common extension */
> 1759556779 337745 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WhatLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165531&oldid=165530 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+560) 10/* Builtin functions */
> 1759557031 681376 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Finder14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165532&oldid=165328 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-1) 10/* Computational class */
> 1759557253 850650 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wuht14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165533&oldid=165484 5* 03Jk.NDC 5* (+1047) 10/* Conditionals and If */
> 1759557340 903068 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wuht14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165534&oldid=165533 5* 03Jk.NDC 5* (+146) 10/* Clarification of Terms and Stuff */
> 1759557943 984578 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wuht14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165535&oldid=165534 5* 03Jk.NDC 5* (+656) 10
> 1759558248 730967 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wuht14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165536&oldid=165535 5* 03Jk.NDC 5* (+181) 10/* General/Misc. */
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> 1759560152 32813 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fraction14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165537&oldid=165504 5* 03U 5* (-708) 10Blanked the page
> 1759560486 589978 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TDQ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165538&oldid=165043 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+1) 10/* Translation */
> 1759561967 985842 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wuht14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165539&oldid=165536 5* 03Jk.NDC 5* (-2) 10/* Condition Writing */
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< 1759563992 513860 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, are inveterates a group of animals?
< 1759563992 992158 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: i have a few primitive types. e.g. completions and similar prompty stuff " popup" in buffers... it looks neat... it'd be the fnord
< 1759564612 538895 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1759564641 454412 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord
> 1759566346 30785 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Emblema14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165540 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+2173) 10New Turing-complete language
> 1759566383 599138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ChuckEsoteric0814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165541&oldid=165329 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+14) 10/* 2025 */
< 1759568748 723124 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:79b7:f1d9:214a:8b71 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1759570755 231392 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi *
< 1759572733 532255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
> 1759573033 549590 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Vertical tab 'N14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165542&oldid=157010 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (-2) 10/* Java */ Remove trailing new line
> 1759573250 496423 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Vertical tab 'N14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165543&oldid=165542 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+105) 10
> 1759573276 744861 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:TenBillionPlusOne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165544&oldid=158796 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+162) 10/* Why do you hate yourself so much? */ new section
> 1759574339 591223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165545 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+434) 10[[User:Vertical tab 'N]] went unnoticed, so I created this
> 1759574698 668021 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:BRaInFUCK14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165546 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+274) 10Created page with "The musician's name gives a syntax error - first it prints a null byte, and then it tries to end a non-existent loop before attempting to start another one. ~~~~"
< 1759574805 446155 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:79b7:f1d9:214a:8b71 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
> 1759574959 773011 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165547&oldid=165373 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+11) 10
> 1759575097 945389 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165548&oldid=165522 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+17) 10/* B */ [[Brafuck]]
> 1759575469 146756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165549&oldid=165545 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+202) 10
> 1759575668 453384 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165550&oldid=165549 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+16) 10
> 1759575687 552556 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165551&oldid=165550 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+27) 10
> 1759575757 367786 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165552&oldid=165551 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+64) 10
> 1759575870 169752 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165553&oldid=165552 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+16) 10
> 1759576027 150760 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165554&oldid=165553 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+16) 10
> 1759576070 312739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165555&oldid=165554 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+36) 10
> 1759576579 437917 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165556&oldid=165555 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+143) 10
> 1759576688 721990 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165557&oldid=165556 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+15) 10
> 1759576796 35138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165558&oldid=165557 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+17) 10
> 1759576941 185979 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165559&oldid=165558 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+56) 10
< 1759577631 586168 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord
> 1759577666 996844 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165560&oldid=165559 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+43) 10
< 1759577676 884691 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1759577711 796491 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life
> 1759577809 721151 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165561&oldid=165560 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+32) 10
> 1759577901 922467 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UserEdited14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165562&oldid=164170 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+1482) 10
> 1759577961 354222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UserEdited/Versions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165563&oldid=163528 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+51) 10
> 1759578318 583047 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:UserEdited/Versions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165564&oldid=165529 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+330) 10
> 1759578355 763689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165565&oldid=165561 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+18) 10
< 1759578359 863703 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:79b7:f1d9:214a:8b71 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
> 1759578520 296592 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165566&oldid=165565 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+32) 10
< 1759578819 269176 :amby!~ambylastn@host-92-17-32-126.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname
> 1759578985 881745 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165567&oldid=165566 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+25) 10
> 1759578994 309644 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165568&oldid=165242 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+31) 10/* My targets */
> 1759579030 566941 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165569&oldid=165568 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+11) 10/* My targets */
> 1759579219 68704 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:DGCK81LNN14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165570 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+176) 10Created page with "Help us expand [[User:Vertical tab 'N]] and [[Brafuck]] ~~~~"
> 1759579485 568015 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Vertical tab 'N14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165571&oldid=165543 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+57) 10/* Brainfuck */
< 1759579778 567388 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:79b7:f1d9:214a:8b71 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
> 1759579802 373524 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Vertical tab 'N14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165572&oldid=165571 5* 03Vertical Tab 'N 5* (+117) 10/* Mendeleev */
> 1759581975 178236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UserEdited14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165573&oldid=165562 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+820) 10
< 1759583991 192596 :lynndotpy60!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 QUIT :Quit: bye bye
< 1759584060 709156 :lynndotpy60!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 JOIN #esolangs lynndotpy :lynn
< 1759584657 12297 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:79b7:f1d9:214a:8b71 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1759584775 868951 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:79b7:f1d9:214a:8b71 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
< 1759590690 101677 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] iddi01
< 1759590718 648345 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest epsilon http://127.0.0.1:3000/
< 1759590718 715581 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01: URL fetch problems: Failed to open TCP connection to 127.0.0.1:3000 (Connection refused - connect(2) for 127.0.0.1:3000)
< 1759590747 506426 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1759590760 353471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol?
< 1759590764 242866 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths
< 1759590823 100925 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] iddi01
< 1759590829 611413 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest epsilon >+>-(>)*6(>[-[-[-[++++[+[+([(+[{(-)*11(-[{(-)*97[-][++-]>}])%13}])%9]>)*21]]]]]])*5(<-<+)*5<+[<<(-)*132(>)*13(>[-[+([(+[{(-)*11(-[{(-)*97[-][++-]>}])%13}])%11]>)*21]])*16]-<-[<(-)*132(>)*13(>[-[+([(+[{(-)*11(-[{(-)*97[-][++-]>}])%13}])%11]>)*21]])*16]+((+)*5>(-)*5>)*6(<(-)*7<(+)*7)*6<(+)*43>((+)*17>(-)*17>)*4>>>>>((>[-[+([(+[{(-)*16(
< 1759590829 638996 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01: parse error: starting ( without a matching )
< 1759590830 111084 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :-[{[-][++-+-[++-+-]]>}])%18}])%16]>)*21]]+)*2>)*4([(+[{(-)*16(-[{[-][++-+-[++-+-]]>}])%18}])%16]>)*-1
< 1759590882 819024 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest epsilon >+>-(>)*6(>[-[-[-[++++[+[+([(+[{(-)*11(-[{(-)*97[-][++-]>}])%13}])%9]>)*21]]]]]])*5(<-<+)*5<+[<<(-)*132(>)*13(>[-[+([(+[{(-)*11(-[{(-)*97[-][++-]>}])%13}])%11]>)*21]])*16]-<-[<(-)*132(>)*13(>[-[+([(+[{(-)*11(-[{(-)*97[-][++-]>}])%13}])%11]>)*21]])*16]+
< 1759590882 934853 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.epsilon: points -17.98, score 8.65, rank 47/47 (-45)
< 1759590883 318355 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :((+)*5>(-)*5>)*6(<(-)*7<(+)*7)*6<(+)*43>((+)*17>(-)*17>)*4>>>>>((>[-[+([(+[{(-)*16(-[{[-][++-+-[++-+-]]>}])%18}])%16]>)*21]]+)*2>)*4([(+[{(-)*16(-[{[-][++-+-[++-+-]]>}])%18}])%16]>)*-1
< 1759591105 995761 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest epsilon https://pastebin.com/raw/nCDR7aQ6
< 1759591106 523212 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.epsilon: points 19.29, score 53.15, rank 2/47 (--)
< 1759591124 471886 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust epsilon https://pastebin.com/raw/nCDR7aQ6
< 1759591124 945372 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.epsilon: points 19.29, score 53.15, rank 2/47 (--)
> 1759591155 406416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Iterate/Math14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165574&oldid=165468 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+771) 10implement floored logB(A) and categorize
< 1759591181 400514 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest epsilon https://127.0.0.1:3000/
< 1759591181 470272 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01: URL fetch problems: Failed to open TCP connection to 127.0.0.1:3000 (Connection refused - connect(2) for 127.0.0.1:3000)
< 1759591201 223416 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest epsilon https://127.0.0.1:3000/
< 1759591201 291848 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01: URL fetch problems: Failed to open TCP connection to 127.0.0.1:3000 (Connection refused - connect(2) for 127.0.0.1:3000)
< 1759591218 958920 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 QUIT :Quit: Client closed
< 1759591410 125408 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what's next, file:// ?
< 1759591440 908404 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest don'tmindme file:///etc/passwd
< 1759591440 935634 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Program name (don'tmindme) is restricted to characters in [a-zA-Z0-9_-], sorry.
< 1759591452 588317 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest dontmindme file:///etc/passwd
< 1759591452 773029 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e.dontmindme: points -31.52, score 4.04, rank 47/47
< 1759591461 344618 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm!
< 1759591492 93133 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh it hopefully interpreted that as an empty program
< 1759591562 785187 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest dontmindme file:///usr/bin/[
< 1759591562 812165 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: parse error: starting [ without a matching ]
< 1759591564 328459 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :;)
> 1759592142 56887 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07T+Riangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165575&oldid=165519 5* 03C++DSUCKER 5* (+0) 10
> 1759592158 484850 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07T+Riangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165576&oldid=165575 5* 03C++DSUCKER 5* (+2) 10
> 1759592998 772893 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03SDGL4RNG 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:$$Aleph 0x1111111100000001.png10]]"
< 1759593107 384429 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Excess Flood
> 1759593297 653582 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07$$Aleph 0x1111111100000001.png14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165578 5* 03SDGL4RNG 5* (+70) 10Created page with "[[File:$$Aleph 0x1111111100000001.png|thumb|alt=nope(4)|nope program]]"
< 1759593327 119247 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord
> 1759593342 733664 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Corbin 5*  10moved [[02User:Vertical tab 'N10]] to [[Vertical tab 'N]]: Program form (output-only challenge), not user. Heads up: user page once belonged to alt of ColorfulGalaxy.
> 1759593378 449058 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07$$Aleph 0x1111111100000001.png14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165581&oldid=165578 5* 03SDGL4RNG 5* (+45) 10
> 1759593391 917012 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07$$Aleph 0x1111111100000001.png14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165582&oldid=165581 5* 03SDGL4RNG 5* (-20) 10/* Nope(4) */
> 1759594232 361297 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TheSpiderNinjas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165583&oldid=164805 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (+11) 10
> 1759594316 457274 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sigq14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165584 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (+1385) 10Created page with "  == Stuff == 
 ! True  ? False  !?! Binary, ! for 1 and ? for 0  1 Variable  {7} Number, only works as a value  0 = !?! Set a var to a value ^= for specifically bool #= for specifically int  0? [ ] If the value is true run the block of code  0? < > While the v
> 1759594336 200852 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sigq14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165585&oldid=165584 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (+35) 10
> 1759594757 887890 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sigq14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165586&oldid=165585 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (+135) 10
< 1759598522 862356 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1759598713 65754 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:79b7:f1d9:214a:8b71 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1759599355 556899 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:79b7:f1d9:214a:8b71 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
< 1759601180 451875 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :cu
< 1759601733 955541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname
> 1759602700 916625 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165587&oldid=165469 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+775) 10B3/S23
< 1759603173 700818 :Everything!~Everythin@172.232.54.192 JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything
< 1759603197 213782 :Everything!~Everythin@172.232.54.192 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi all. Has anybody tried this as esolang? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyck_language Maybe, unlambda-type language?
< 1759604301 885168 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Everything: Sure. Many Lisps are Dyck. From my list, my language Cammy is Dyck and S-expressions are Dyck in general.
< 1759604404 840307 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should add Dyck monoids to [[monoid]]. I don't know if we use them anywhere, but they might be useful for justifying why e.g. Brainfuck has a semantic monoid.
< 1759604817 690025 :Everything!~Everythin@172.232.54.192 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, without functions. Only nested parentheses. Is it possible?
< 1759605004 128595 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can write Iota weirdly with () = ι
< 1759605102 428456 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or other languages with the same kind of syntax, e.g., https://treecalcul.us/
< 1759605296 971207 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Everything: In general, *any* language is going to eventually yield something with interesting computational content. Do you have a goal in mind?
< 1759605451 915165 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :More interesting to me is e.g. the fact that Dyck grammars can be efficiently parsed mid-document; they are more efficient than CFGs when doing online text-editing, LSP processing, tree-sitting, etc.
< 1759606002 929426 :Everything!~Everythin@172.232.54.192 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no specific idea, just curious.
< 1759606208 971575 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess that the answer is that *the* Dyck language, balanced parens, is already a very well-known language. It's often just called BP. It's not esoteric at all.
> 1759606234 65756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Chess between HCr0 and PSTF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165588&oldid=164113 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+126) 10
< 1759606827 91141 :joast!~joast@2603:90d8:500:31cf:5e0f:3f4b:1cfe:5060 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
> 1759610679 101319 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Iterate/Math14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165589&oldid=165574 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+8) 10/* logB A (floored) */ indent
< 1759611230 936493 :Everything!~Everythin@172.232.54.192 QUIT :Quit: leaving
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> 1759688382 590004 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Llvln14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165621 5* 03Corbin 5* (+335) 10And this is why chatbots aren't helping y'all learn.
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< 1759695359 352456 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(if the weird itemized style didn't make it obvious already, it even tells on itself?)
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> 1759697179 465735 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LLvlN++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165650&oldid=165641 5* 03Corbin 5* (-68) 10Remove hallucinated categories. Discuss at [[esolang:categorization]] first, please!
> 1759697520 808535 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:LLvlN-FLOAT14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165651 5* 03Corbin 5* (+478) 10Some options for improvement.
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> 1759697844 58785 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Quantum-LLvlN14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165653 5* 03Corbin 5* (+491) 10Sorry, this one ain't gonna work. Good luck implementing it!
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> 1759699788 525975 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Iterate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165657&oldid=165434 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+288) 10clarify on what a visit is, and link to [[Iterate/Subset]] and [[Iterate/Math]] in a new section
> 1759699948 945296 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pola14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165658 5* 03Corbin 5* (+768) 10Stub for a fun restricted language: if you can implement a 3SAT solver in Pola then P=NP.
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> 1759704711 576827 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Neko14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165659&oldid=159428 5* 03Dmiz 5* (+194) 10
> 1759704917 626373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Neko14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165660&oldid=165659 5* 03Dmiz 5* (-48) 10
> 1759705040 573310 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Neko14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165661&oldid=165660 5* 03Dmiz 5* (-6) 10
> 1759705997 72146 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Neko14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165662&oldid=165661 5* 03Dmiz 5* (-18) 10
> 1759706033 259029 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Neko14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165663&oldid=165662 5* 03Dmiz 5* (+16) 10
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< 1759706238 796327 :simcop2387_!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 NICK :simcop2387
> 1759706388 543298 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Neko14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165664&oldid=165663 5* 03Dmiz 5* (+41) 10
< 1759706719 932215 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in
< 1759709559 690680 :FreeFull!~freefull@79.186.197.114.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl QUIT :
> 1759711404 311242 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UserEdited14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165665&oldid=165614 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (-4) 10
< 1759712363 397188 :amby!~ambylastn@host-92-17-32-126.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
> 1759712979 493814 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165666&oldid=165587 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+1084) 10
< 1759715826 986695 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
> 1759717840 542697 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Iacgm 5*  10New user account
> 1759717967 997801 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165667&oldid=165506 5* 03Iacgm 5* (+93) 10/* Introductions */
> 1759718095 522956 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck code generation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165668&oldid=138765 5* 03Iacgm 5* (+51) 10/* Languages that compile to brainfuck */
> 1759719164 640772 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07C2bf14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165669 5* 03Iacgm 5* (+1243) 10Created page with "C2bf (not to be confused with [[C2BF]]) is a [[compiler]] from a large subset of C into [[Brainfuck]] written by Ian Graham Martinez. The project is written in Rust, and the source code is available at [https://github.com/iacgm/c2bf].  The project supports: - Integer Arithme
< 1759719275 798125 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38
> 1759719317 640637 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Iacgm 5*  10moved [[02C2bf10]] to [[C2bf rs]]: Clash with C2BF
> 1759719330 402421 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Iacgm 5*  10moved [[02C2bf rs10]] to [[C2bf (2025)]]
> 1759719338 825429 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Iacgm 5*  10moved [[02C2bf (2025)10]] to [[C2BF (2025)]]
> 1759719387 264975 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck code generation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165676&oldid=165668 5* 03Iacgm 5* (+9) 10/* Languages that compile to brainfuck */
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< 1759729962 932927 :perlbot_!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot NICK :perlbot
> 1759730674 277221 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple/Source Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165677&oldid=165214 5* 03H33T33 5* (+534) 10
> 1759730704 290287 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple/Source Code14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165678&oldid=165677 5* 03H33T33 5* (+2) 10
> 1759730742 734567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Topple/Source Code14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165679&oldid=165678 5* 03H33T33 5* (+15) 10
< 1759733005 99479 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:b551:deec:8ee1:7922 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
< 1759733272 891787 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1759733904 77785 :V!~v@ircpuzzles/2022/april/winner/V QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1759734074 305371 :V!~v@ircpuzzles/2022/april/winner/V JOIN #esolangs V :Wie?
< 1759734074 332572 :ManDeJan!3da94070ba@user/mandejan JOIN #esolangs ManDeJan :ManDeJan
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> 1759736526 743677 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Elbereth 5*  10New user account
> 1759736795 791301 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165680&oldid=165667 5* 03Elbereth 5* (+234) 10Hi, I'm currently interested in [[Core War]] & NetHack, though just starting in both; I found this wiki accidentally when searching about Core War.
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< 1759741969 610237 :nitrix-or-treat!~nitrix@user/meow/nitrix QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1759742061 928710 :nitrix-or-treat!~nitrix@user/meow/nitrix JOIN #esolangs nitrix :ZNC - https://znc.in
< 1759742061 928986 :yewscion__!~yewscion@172.58.240.190 JOIN #esolangs yewscion :Claire Rodriguez
> 1759742905 363491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ETC14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165681 5* 03Elbereth 5* (+1454) 10It's simple, but not without potential...
> 1759743028 477826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ETC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165682&oldid=165681 5* 03Elbereth 5* (+0) 10The usual wiki code transformation :(
> 1759743106 680826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165683&oldid=165548 5* 03Elbereth 5* (+10) 10/* E */ [[ETC]]
> 1759743526 87996 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Elbereth14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165684 5* 03Elbereth 5* (+286) 10Created page with "Has not made anything notable yet;  Hi;  I'm currently interested in [[Core War]] & NetHack, the former being the reason i got here;  I might improve pages by updating outdated information, maybe even user pages if there is a good enough reason (please check edit 
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< 1759746867 101868 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] iddi01
< 1759746891 734003 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest epsilon https://raw-paste.vercel.app/raw/4o990n984n470np1639p1723394337r9
< 1759746892 116294 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01: URL fetch problems: 429 Too Many Requests
< 1759746913 732534 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest epsilon https://raw-paste.vercel.app/raw/4o990n984n470np1639p1723394337r9
< 1759746913 986997 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01: URL fetch problems: 429 Too Many Requests
< 1759746949 745938 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest epsilon https://raw-paste.vercel.app/raw/4o990n984n470np1639p1723394337r9
< 1759746949 874511 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01: URL fetch problems: 429 Too Many Requests
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> 1759747066 568378 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LLvlN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165685&oldid=165645 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (-54) 10
< 1759747085 316432 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest epsilon https://raw-paste.vercel.app/raw/4o990n984n470np1639p1723394337r9
< 1759747085 419893 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01: URL fetch problems: 429 Too Many Requests
> 1759747144 737862 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LLvlN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165686&oldid=165685 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (+16) 10
< 1759747195 736490 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1759747199 855511 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi *
> 1759747232 425604 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quantum-LLvlN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165687&oldid=165654 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (+2) 10Rename Quantum-LLvlN to LLvlN-Quantum
< 1759747247 275580 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even from an endpoint that's definitely never fetched it before, that URL gives me a javascript-requiring proof-of-work challenge, which isn't going to happen with zemhill.
> 1759747269 305596 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5*  10moved [[02Quantum-LLvlN10]] to [[LLvlN-Quantum]]: Rename Quantum-LLvlN to LLvlN-Quantum
> 1759747269 336890 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5*  10moved [[02Talk:Quantum-LLvlN10]] to [[Talk:LLvlN-Quantum]]: Rename Quantum-LLvlN to LLvlN-Quantum
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< 1759747316 7422 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't get a paste into pastebin.com anymore, it always falls back to the main page after the captcha...
< 1759747346 806632 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :please suggest an alternative!
> 1759747387 202571 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LLvlN-Quantum14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165692&oldid=165688 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (+8) 10
< 1759747395 658874 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://0x0.st/ is what I usually use (via curl).
> 1759747399 180521 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LLvlN-Quantum14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165693&oldid=165692 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (-48) 10
> 1759747424 270927 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LLvlN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165694&oldid=165686 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (-18) 10
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< 1759747974 828818 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does not work: "405 Method Not Allowed"
< 1759748303 898059 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest bad https://0x0.st/KMCl.txt
< 1759748304 80724 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie.bad: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47
< 1759748315 149612 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Works for me, that's all I know: https://0x0.st/KMCU.txt
> 1759748365 711758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 036e12fyou 5*  10New user account
< 1759748422 465531 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you could hypothetically use HackEso as well, but it would require splitting a program to fit on IRC lines, and be incredibly inconvenient as well.
> 1759748547 73229 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LogicGates14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165695 5* 03None1 5* (+1840) 10Created page with "{{lang|a=User:None1}} ==Memory== It uses a bit accmulator, an unbounded bit tape and a pointer. All bits are initially 0. ==Commands== * {{cd|<}}/{{cd|>}}: Move the pointer to the left/right. * {{cd|[''CODE'']}}: While accmulator isn't 0, do ''CODE''. * Logic gates rep
> 1759748583 52414 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165696&oldid=165683 5* 03None1 5* (+17) 10/* L */
> 1759748611 300466 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165697&oldid=165696 5* 03None1 5* (+0) 10/* L */
> 1759748645 304190 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165698&oldid=165358 5* 03None1 5* (+64) 10/* My Esolangs */
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< 1759748662 46130 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://bpa.st/ is another site they recommend on #c -- it has a web form, and a 'raw' link that seems okay.
> 1759748737 255262 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165699&oldid=165680 5* 036e12fyou 5* (+183) 10/* Introductions */
> 1759748747 261056 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:6e12fyou14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165700 5* 036e12fyou 5* (+5) 10Created page with "hi :)"
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< 1759748762 883352 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.36.182 CHGHOST ~sftp :user/sftp
< 1759748796 863661 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!ztest epsilon https://bpa.st/raw/GBOA
< 1759748797 210538 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.epsilon: points 22.19, score 57.64, rank 1/47 (+1)
> 1759748804 925890 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Looping counter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165701&oldid=165433 5* 03None1 5* (+64) 10/* Iterate */
< 1759748841 646400 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: thanks a lot, somehow these sites cannot be found via online searching...
< 1759748852 465547 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :!zjoust epsilon https://bpa.st/raw/GBOA
< 1759748852 914397 :zemhill!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iddi01.epsilon: points 22.19, score 57.64, rank 1/47 (+1)
< 1759748865 179603 :iddi01!~iddi01@2604:9cc0:14:2af8:5803:115a:486d:9686 QUIT :Quit: Client closed
> 1759748920 815827 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:XKCD Random Number14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165702&oldid=164692 5* 03None1 5* (+95) 10/* Length */
< 1759749091 671209 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I wonder if the zemhill visualization stuff would still run, those plots haven't been updated in a long long time.
> 1759749226 42878 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:BRaInFUCK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165703&oldid=165546 5* 03None1 5* (+284) 10
< 1759750433 847017 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord
< 1759750448 173777 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1759750512 687978 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life
> 1759750906 486781 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Setler v214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165704&oldid=164835 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (+67) 10Updated Setler v2
> 1759751844 448281 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5*  10moved [[02Autism10]] to [[Autism (Unary)]]: Disambiguation
> 1759751844 524198 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5*  10moved [[02Talk:Autism10]] to [[Talk:Autism (Unary)]]: Disambiguation
> 1759751922 407267 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Redcode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165709&oldid=147544 5* 03Elbereth 5* (+1244) 10yet another revision on this
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> 1759751934 360507 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Autism14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165710&oldid=165706 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (+65) 10Removed redirect to [[Autism (Unary)]]
> 1759752093 388838 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Autism (Esolang)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=165711 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (+3439) 10Created new esoteric programming language based on rigid routines and repetitive patterns
> 1759752175 370700 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Autism (Esolang)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165712&oldid=165711 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (-3397) 10Removed specification content, requesting creation
> 1759752217 92533 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Selter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165713&oldid=163173 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (+21) 10Redirected page to [[Setler]]
> 1759752235 249414 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165714&oldid=162707 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (-63) 10
> 1759752582 160400 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:BRaInFUCK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165715&oldid=165703 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+190) 10
> 1759752760 211307 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165716&oldid=165714 5* 03TheSpiderNinjas 5* (+2) 10Added Autism (Esolang) to WIP list
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> 1759753127 958708 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Nguyendinhtung2014 5*  10New user account
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< 1759753975 628270 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh, iddi01.epsilon has joined the rarefied ranks of "programs that managed to take the #1 spot on the hill despite two_thirds having a 100% win rate" 
> 1759754136 129749 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10moved [[02?barinfuck10]] to [[?brainfuck]]: history merge to ?brainfuck  page was created at the wrong title, then moved via cut-and-paste
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> 1759754164 143293 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 restore10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10undeleted "[[02?brainfuck10]]": part two of history merge
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< 1759754709 739719 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…it is kind-of astonishing that that seems to be easier than beating two_thirds without overfitting or mirroring (the only non-overfitted programs I've managed to beat two_thirds with were other versions of two_thirds with slightly different decoy setups, creating near-mirror matches where it won a couple of cycles earlier)
< 1759754787 640015 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as an experiment, I tried changing epsilon's decoys to overfit to two_thirds's clear loop, two_thirds still won
< 1759754802 813029 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because the larger decoys slowed it down too much
< 1759755353 561561 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The answer to the question about the visualizations, by the way, is no: I don't have the necessary Ruby bits installed for the "modern" plots, or Python 2 for the "legacy" egostats plots. All fixable, of course, but would require some work.)
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> 1759756104 107547 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Doug14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165724&oldid=157444 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-24) 10
> 1759756177 197123 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BF Joust champions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165725&oldid=164512 5* 03Elbereth 5* (+1150) 10/* 2025 */ While checking IRC logs i noticed this new champion which were not listed here; since i'm totally new to this, trying to work it out was hard, please correct mistakes XD
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< 1759756788 435605 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's also worth noting that while testing medium, I initially started on the cases for beating high-decoy-count programs before focusing on the cases for beating low-decoy-count programs: one of those draft versions tied with two_thirds and beat the other top programs, but I didn't submit it because it wasn't good against the field, it lost against any program that didn't set a large number of decoys
< 1759756831 747289 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it wasn't overfitted to the specific program but it was overfitted to beating its general strategy (and somehow it was still only a tie)
< 1759757027 139836 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that got me wondering what the highest-scoring low-decoy-count program was, it appears to be medium (which sets 3 decoys)
< 1759757185 552731 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then three_legged_frog (also 3 decoys) is next
< 1759757215 286154 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so #7 and #12 – looks like low decoy count is not a popular strategy at the top of the hill (which is why it's possible to do well even sacrificing that matchup)
< 1759757350 360489 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on the topic of visualisations, I realised that the best visualisation for showing decoy setups would probably be "average value of each cell position the last time this program adjusts it" – programs normally don't adjust their own decoys after raising them to their full height, even though defensive programs often move over them (note that you would need to be careful for NaN values because some programs never adjust certain tape cells)
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< 1759763595 466442 :dos_user!~dos_user@user/DOS-User:11249 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im testing to see if my quit message works (have logs open in stalker mode)
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< 1759763656 83096 :DOS_User_webchat!~DOS_User_@user/DOS-User:11249 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah no it diesnt
< 1759763909 571065 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think Libera.Chat might be one of those networks where you have to stay connected for at least 5 minutes before it allows a custom quit message.
< 1759763959 354367 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's frustratingly difficult to find any authoritative source for that, but this suggests that's the case: https://github.com/Libera-Chat/solanum/blob/main/doc/reference.conf#L1120-L1123
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< 1759764012 433269 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although that particular filter should just clamp it down to "Client Quit", so maybe that's not the reason.
< 1759764072 191360 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/Libera-Chat/solanum/blob/main/modules/core/m_quit.c#L83-L96 -- yeah, if it's "Quit: ...", it was probably actually from the client.
< 1759764189 689251 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dos_user: what fizzie says, libera suppresses your quit message if you haven't been present for long enough, so that you can't abuse the quit message itself for spam so easily 
< 1759764224 485755 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there might be limits to part messages too, I don't know
< 1759764429 875024 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's what I thought, but it looks to me from the code that that suppression should have resulted in a quit message of "Client Quit" rather than "Quit: dos_user".
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> 1759828216 688490 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ETC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165762&oldid=165682 5* 03Elbereth 5* (+151) 10/* Examples */
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< 1759833383 574788 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mhm. I think I've heard it's generally against the etiquette to edit someone else's user page, but that was clearly done in good faith.
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< 1759839934 685436 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hah, corporate security sent me a note they'd flagged as "anomalous" when I curl -I'd iddi01's raw-paste.vercel.app URL to figure out why the 429s from zemhill the other day, because allegedly they've seen that site be used to host malware in the past. Had to explain them what I was doing.
< 1759839950 427055 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, maybe they'll start doing BF joust too, who knows.
< 1759839961 129055 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Shouldn't've done it on the work laptop, I guess, it's just a reflex to use the "scratchpad" terminal key binding for any quick command-line thing.
< 1759841986 515125 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1759842059 275627 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm trying to read a paper, but the code samples are written in C/C++-like syntax except that they allocate memory with new and deallocate it with free
< 1759842077 315440 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is really aggravating for some reason, I guess my brain finds it hard to overlook the allocator mismatch
< 1759842382 899013 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's a better reaction to have than *not* noticing something like that
< 1759842596 651789 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: how old is the paper?
< 1759842611 688571 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was presented at a conference in 2013
< 1759842618 13780 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, then it's annoying
< 1759842620 93348 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so not ancient enough for new and malloc to be synonyms
< 1759842637 566607 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if it were from the 1996 then it would be somewhat more excusable
< 1759842658 395964 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think the syntax is intended to be actual C or C++, just pseudocode
< 1759842664 450932 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you mean using the same allocator, right? as in synonymous for trivial types?
< 1759842672 445386 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right
< 1759842681 536838 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should probably have said free and delete, which were actual synonyms at the time
< 1759842692 256781 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm… when did delete[] become required to delete arrays?
< 1759842751 507230 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :something I've been thinking about for a while is that allocating arrays may want to use a different algorithm than allocating non-arrays, because arrays are often realloced larger and other things almost never are
< 1759842765 198905 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so having separate delete/delete[] may make sense
< 1759842772 592572 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the "just pseudocode" codes can be very annoying, it seems that sometimes people do it because their code is buggy but they want to make it harder for a reader to prove that it's buggy. the ill-fated psz interpreter was an attempt to prove that some pseudocode was buggy, only I was very inexperienced so I made some big mistakes in it, but I at least learned a few things about parsing and interpreters
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< 1759842815 698789 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that one may count as the first esolang that I created, if you define "created" and "esoteric" broad enough (it's at least definitely a language)
< 1759842838 102513 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it also uses a somewhat quirky indentation style with no newline before } but I can live with that (I even used it myself for something, but can't remember why)
< 1759842857 840428 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: is that to fit more easier in a printed journal page limit?
< 1759842862 926290 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably
< 1759842871 334259 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :alternately because a lisp programmer wrote it
< 1759842896 153943 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it isn't that bad as indentation styles go, the whitespace matches Python and yet it's unambiguous
< 1759842910 843798 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it isn't very popular for some reason
> 1759842963 50055 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword 5*  10New user account
< 1759842970 673280 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, why does pseudocode care about deallocation in first place? can't it just leak memory?
< 1759843013 618772 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because the paper is about proving that the memory can be deallocated safely
< 1759843017 524450 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( maybe it's pseudo code for an allocator )
< 1759843029 796951 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah
< 1759843040 856603 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the exact deallocation timings are relevant
< 1759843100 337244 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it doesn't just happen to use an identifier `free` that refers to something other than the function from the C standard, right? that'd still be a bad idea, but less bad
< 1759843121 970519 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesn't explain it, it's presumably meant to be obvious
< 1759843188 565599 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also I just realised that free and delete were never true synonyms, delete runs destructors, free doesn't)
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< 1759843204 509228 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…which is presumably why C++ needed new names for the operations in the first place
< 1759843263 323580 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, that's why I was trying to say "synonymous for trivial types", trivial type implies it has a trivial destructor so it is ok to elide calling the destructor
< 1759843361 439708 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :having types that aren't trivial is what I consider the main difference between C and C++, and between zig and rust, at least from the design sense rather than the source compatibility sense
< 1759843370 415867 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though some people disagree
< 1759843454 918388 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :recently I've been working on trying to create memory models
< 1759843464 987669 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :atomics, provenance, etc.
< 1759843504 888578 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are two fundamentally different ways to do it, and C / C++ / Zig cannot be compiled to one of them because there is not enough information in the source code
< 1759843535 737324 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whereas safe Rust can meaningfully be compiled to either but the semantics for unsafe code are very different (with existing unsafe code using the C / C++ / Zig model, unsurprisingly because it's made to be compiled with LLVM)
< 1759843571 402189 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you'll have to be more specific because there's more than two ways to create memory models
< 1759843587 896303 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though being able to compile rust to it is at least a restriction
< 1759843589 697709 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a good example is with atomic reference counting (std::shared_ptr in C++, Arc in Rust) – in the C / C++ / Zig model a decrement of the release count has to be release-ordered, in the other model it can be relaxed-ordered
< 1759843607 496411 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yes, a lot more specificity is needed
< 1759843613 339089 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm still trying to work out the details
< 1759843670 738150 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the basic insight is to define provenance to be "the thing that prevents race conditions from occurring" and then to reverse engineer all its properties from that
< 1759843703 466545 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(note that even single-threaded code can have race conditions if the compiler makes incorrect aliasing assumptions to reorder two instructions that actually depended on each other – this is in effect equivalent to running them simultaneously and getting a race)
< 1759843755 467034 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rust statically prevents race conditions, but there doesn't really seem to be a consensus on *how* it does that
< 1759843786 46589 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you manage to specify the memory model, can you extend it to multiple user-space processes sharing mapped memory with at least one able to write? or did posix pthreads already do that?
< 1759843801 391901 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the unsafe code in the Rust standard library doesn't have a meaningful set of rules for how much synchronization is needed, for example, so it's been implemented in a somewhat ad-hoc way
< 1759843878 724850 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: that's awkward because you can do it trivially if you place constraints on how the processes write from the memory model's point of view, and it's impossible otherwise
< 1759843924 537086 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. you could say "all writes by any process are considered to be, at least, relaxed-atomic writes of each written byte of memory individually" because, on most hardware, it is impossible to do any write that violates that requirement
< 1759843948 442311 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then you can safely read it with relaxed-atomic reads ("safe" in the sense of not being undefined behaviour, you might of course still get torn reads)
< 1759843977 774882 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but you need some memory model for what the other processes are able to do
< 1759844062 727213 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if, however, you imagine hardware on which a read/write race produces undefendable-against bad effects (UB, the OS killing your process, etc.) then there is no way to read data written by a process unless it offers you some means of avoiding the race condition
< 1759844078 75303 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that the problem you talked about some day, a primitive to do a speculative atomic read that may give a bogus value but no undefined behavior if it races with a non-atomic write
< 1759844095 169199 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's definitely related, I've been thinking about that one a lot
< 1759844152 206658 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I recently read a blog post which pointed out that the "obvious" algorithm for atomically pushing onto a list (write the current list head into the new element's next pointer, then CAS the new element over the head of the list if the pointer is still correct) is technically incorrect under current provenance rules
< 1759844179 826420 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because you might read an old provenance from the current list head, and the CAS might replace a newer pointer with a different provenance
< 1759844193 776751 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(https://people.kernel.org/paulmck/what-on-earth-does-lifetime-end-pointer-zap-have-to-do-with-rcu)
< 1759844203 396768 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it viewed it as a problem in the current provenance definition
< 1759844254 26966 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see it differently, though: when you read from the pointer at the start of the algorithm, you are reading the address from the *current* pointer, but speculatively taking the provenance from the *future* pointer (which might have the same address due to the ABA problem)
< 1759844288 27022 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then you write the future pointer's provenance into the list element, and do the compare-and-swap, now if the swap succeeded the provenance is correct because we read it in advance
< 1759844336 87668 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this is the same basic phenomenon, but with much more reasonable-looking code
< 1759844355 801509 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, mostly unrelated, is it possible to safely do database-style atomic updates on a file with fallocate(fd, FALLOC_FL_COLLAPSE_RANGE, off, len) or fallocate(fd, FALLOC_INSERT_RANGE, off, len), in the sense that if all writing processes adhere to a protocol but occasionally a process can be unexpectedly killed then the file will always stay in a recoverable state? the linux man page doesn't seem to say 
< 1759844361 980136 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anything about the atomicity guarantees
< 1759844447 919478 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: see the glibc documentation for posix_fallocate, it talks about plain fallocate too
< 1759844485 566521 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :based on this, it seems like "if the filesystem supports it, it is safe; if the filesystem doesn't support it, posix_fallocate gives you a racy version, plain fallocate gives you an error code"
< 1759844520 185067 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, but posix_fallocate doesn't support range inserts/collapses
< 1759844540 658077 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that documentation isn't useful for your case
< 1759844567 536571 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but my conclusion is probably "any atomicity guarantees would be made by the filesystem, not by the system call"
< 1759844626 666255 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in general the Linux manpages aren't very good, they often seem to get out of sync with actual kernel behaviour (e.g. during the fastest-FizzBuzz thing, multiple people noticed that the behaviour of vmsplice(2) didn't match its documentation)
< 1759844654 959132 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"a sufficiently all-knowing compiler"
< 1759844667 431180 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://sourceware.org/glibc/manual/latest/html_node/Storage-Allocation.html I don't think that's definitive, that only talks about emulating the normal mode fallocate(fd, 0, off, len) 
< 1759844720 195849 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that doesn't mean it would try to emulate FALLOC_FL_COLLAPSE_RANGE too, and that'd probably be a bad idea to emulate from glibc
< 1759844789 649550 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: right, unfortunately I only realised that problem after I told you to look at the documentation
< 1759844807 126664 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and concluded that any guarantees would probably be made by the filesystem rather than the kernel)
< 1759844814 620288 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, the file system itself has to support the atomicity too, but only a few file systems support fallocate(fd, FALLOC_FL_COLLAPSE_RANGE, off, len) in first place, so maybe the people who added that mode decided on some minimum requirements in first place for the backends
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< 1759872051 235678 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparentliy I should have said "trivially copiable type" rather than "trivial type", because C++ uses "trivial type" for a more restricted and less interesting concept
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< 1759888802 171738 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: so I was reading your blog post http://ais523.me.uk/blog/logic-of-shared-references.html . my impression is that it's disconnected: specifically the conclusion part is separate from the rest. 
< 1759888906 492764 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the conclusion part explains something that you mentioned in IRC, which is that it would be useful to have a type that's like a shared reference but may actually point to a copy rather than the original data. that much makes sense, though there are a lot more details that have to be worked out. 
< 1759889027 317219 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the rest of the blog post claims that pirating may be able to solve some other problems, and that part I don't understand at all. you do make at least a very weak case on why pirating might be interesting to explore, but the blog post doesn't manage to explain why pirating can solve the hard problems that you mention and is still implementable with sound rules.
< 1759889283 91221 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now as for a few specific bits of the text. you say "What about packed types whose fields aren't Copy?" and those could be useful, but the typical useful case is a packed type similar to the one you mention but with a mutable reference, and I don't think pirating would help there, because if I only have pirate access to such a structure then all I'd be able to do with the mutable reference is shared 
< 1759889289 95499 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :borrow it, at which point the field not being Copy isn't an obstacle. so I'd like to see a better example for why packed type whose fields aren't Copy are relevant here.
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< 1759889406 854356 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the {:?} format specifier Dereffed as many times as possible before using the Debug implementation" in a modified formatting language, but I believe "Dereffed as many times as possible" is something you absolutely aren't allowed to do in Rust because of trait consistency issues, you can't allow code to behave in a different valid way when something isn't a member of a trait such as not Deref. this is 
< 1759889412 861122 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :something you can do in C++, but not in Rust, and that is by design.
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< 1759895704 607832 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought of something else about a operating system, which is that sometimes you might be able to receive a message before it is sent, or send a message when the receiver is not ready, without storing a copy of the message in the kernel, because attempting to access the memory used for I/O will block (depending on the kind of access) until it is ready.
< 1759895735 686734 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In some cases, it also means that the message can be discarded.
< 1759895776 537791 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :For example, if a message it sent but not received yet, then writing to the memory used for output will block but it can be read without blocking. If a message is received but not sent yet, any access to the receiving buffer will block, both reading and writing.
< 1759897780 883206 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also thought that memory allocation could be requested from a capability; in this case, the sender will need to have a block of memory already allocated, and when sending it, will give up its own access if it is read/write or will keep its own access if it is read-only, but is allowed to change its own access from read/write to read-only (but not the other way around).
< 1759897950 36176 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had also mentioned before, other ideas about computer design and operating system design.
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< 1759921999 998955 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: that sounds like linux async io
< 1759922021 797032 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I'm not sure if that works for sending messages rather than only for regular files
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> 1759928911 602765 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lines are cool14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165829&oldid=135828 5* 03ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword 5* (+287) 10yes
> 1759929782 552761 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Tommyfunc.png10]]": A [[tommyaweosme function]] in [[Lines are cool]]
> 1759929940 761438 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07File:Tommyfunc.png14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165831&oldid=165830 5* 03ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword 5* (+13) 10
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> 1759930070 502353 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lines are cool14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165834&oldid=165833 5* 03ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword 5* (+4) 10
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> 1759932336 427028 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03ZachMadeAnAltBecauseHeLostThePassword 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Tommyconst.png10]]": A [[User:Tommyaweosme/constant|tommy constant]] program made in [[Lines are cool]]
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> 1759933368 812138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:PrySigneToFry's new logo.jpg10]]"
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> 1759935196 389921 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165840&oldid=165766 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+1) 10
> 1759935328 173633 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165841&oldid=165840 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+9) 10
< 1759936996 429780 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: fnord?
< 1759936997 420233 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: hello, sarah. i am not totally in the dark review, accuses reviewer of piracy"? is that simple, it just jumps back to after the if.
< 1759937009 991564 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :^style
< 1759937010 44585 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld elon enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
< 1759937035 724041 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :^style ukparl
< 1759937035 795464 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Selected style: ukparl (UK Parliament debates from brexit referendum to late 2018)
< 1759937041 804060 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: hello my learned friend
< 1759937042 443370 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: that is in line with the new general. we have serious issues about social fnord and to enhance, the ability, to defend to the death, and they have left the eu,
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< 1759940365 498679 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Social fnord is a serious issue.
< 1759940443 378858 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The newfangled LLMs may be objectively better at generating plausible text, or even at stylistic fidelity, but they just wouldn't have the charm of fungot.
< 1759940444 394446 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: he is in my mind, the government welcomed the first fnord, an italian woman of the year will always be in the eye, in their own for fnord council, using fnord, were frankly and honestly, as best i have ever experienced.
< 1759940480 834096 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Not that all the styles are equally successful.)
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> 1759946299 453336 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Iterate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165847&oldid=165779 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+709) 10extending the specification to allow for more granular IO and data control
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< 1759950013 544296 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Markov chains have proven to be useful as something to serve to AI scrapers to make them think they have successfully scraped a page, without using too much CPU power
< 1759950028 77062 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(if you give them 403s they just try to come back in a better disguise)
< 1759950060 778755 :vista_user!~DOS_User_@user/DOS-User:11249 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: tgats actually really cool
< 1759951004 983977 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, n-gram models? I suppose that the main cost is memory bandwidth, just like with other language models.
< 1759951901 305947 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: right
< 1759951905 915927 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it wouldn't have to be a large one to make it work
< 1759951906 290401 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you can keep the model simple if your goal is just to generate garbage to feed the scraper
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< 1759952029 773089 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. The universal approximation theorem (or whatever we call it these days) says that a quick model has to be simple.
< 1759952512 385401 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hope this is like video encoding where a simple model is easier to train too
> 1759952961 744532 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Iterate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165851&oldid=165848 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+716) 10/* Loop amounts */ implementation info
> 1759953218 874853 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NONPLUSSED14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165852&oldid=165812 5* 03NoWhy 5* (+462) 10spec updates
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> 1759954590 219296 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Waffelz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165854&oldid=165853 5* 03Waffelz 5* (+14) 10
< 1759954772 126196 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: I feel like I was missing out by not pinging you earlier
< 1759954772 282910 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: with the eu charter.
< 1759954867 112595 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :excuse me honorable member fungot, which parliament is this, is it the EU or the English one?
< 1759954867 192348 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: fnord fnord fnord,
< 1759954881 275543 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :very informative
> 1759955015 203020 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165855&oldid=165107 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+252) 10[whilst clapping to the beat] YOU DO NOT NEED TO MAKE AN INTERPRETER/COMPILER FOR YOUR ESOLANG TO HAVE AN ARTICLE ON IT!
< 1759955123 166254 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been meaning to write an article at some point about how to write a good esolang, but I'm not quite sure what I'd put in it yet
< 1759955172 136506 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do know some things to avoid (e.g. creating an esolang idea with serious missing details and hoping that someone else will fill them in is unlikely to work, and even more unlikely to work if there isn't enough of an idea to constrain how the language ends up)
> 1759955396 568940 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Help14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165856&oldid=152976 5* 03Corbin 5* (+142) 10/* Where to test things out */ Explain how to preview changes without submitting them.
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> 1759956210 635936 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Help14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165857&oldid=165856 5* 03Corbin 5* (+401) 10/* When to do stuff */ Fans of Sandbox: Have you considered Show Preview?
< 1759956271 89109 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Well, I'll put it on my list. Right now I'm about to write down the sandbox policy we've discussed. Feel free to tweak it; the "a copy of this policy shall be placed" text is a USA meme.
< 1759956330 116469 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know there have been some sandboxing problems I've had in the past where Show Preview wouldn't work for one reason or another, but I think they've mostly been at Wikipedia
< 1759956350 745674 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :usually it's cases which involve the interaction of multiple pages, so templates and transclusions – we hardly use those at Esolang and I think that's a good tihng
> 1759956513 868509 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Policy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165858&oldid=164763 5* 03Corbin 5* (+724) 10Tentative sandbox policy. This is an attempt at politely codifying themes that have been discussed multiple times on IRC.
< 1759956629 145861 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I would probably note that it's OK to draft an esolang article in userspace if you haven't finished it yet (as long as it would be ontopic once it's finished)
< 1759956645 505807 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :some people prefer not having the pressure of the page going "live" immediately
< 1759956677 235692 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :apart from that, this looks reasonable (although it somewhat dominates the rest of the page – I'm not sure whether there's a good way to avoid that, except perhaps expanding the other policy entries to a similar amount of depth)
> 1759956725 29795 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Policy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165859&oldid=164716 5* 03Corbin 5* (+620) 10/* Sandbox policy */ new section
< 1759956788 926949 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I was wondering about that. I don't have a problem with moves, other than the amount of redirects that they create (and the paucity of folks who can delete them). I can add more words to [[esolang:help]].
< 1759956842 178385 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :We should probably expand the rest of the policy if we want to balance the page. I don't know if that really matters. It feels like the rest of the policy is compressed because there hasn't been much need to discuss or expand upon it.
< 1759956852 795564 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :really, the only real problems with deleting redirects left over after moves are a) an admin has to notice them, which doesn't always happen because there's only one admin actively looking and they often miss things, b) sometimes people move history to the wrong place
< 1759956861 76936 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :At the same time, I can go all the way to ''Main article: [[esolang:copyrights]]'' if you want.
< 1759956878 755449 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the author policy was discussed a lot, although much of that was in Esolang's early history
< 1759956891 858197 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there's a link to that on the page
< 1759956937 793894 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the copyright policy wasn't really discussed because it was imposed by fiat by the original site owner – that said I suspect most users from the time, and probably most users now, are broadly in favour of it
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< 1759957067 897589 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even if we all agree upon it, we might need to discuss it to understand situations that arise in the future.
> 1759957101 904450 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=165860&oldid=163070 5* 03Corbin 5* (+324) 10Clean the sandbox and bump the policy.
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< 1759957491 770313 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :A reason I have drafted some things in user pages is because I did not know what it is called; if it is later known what it should be called then it can be moved to the main space.
< 1759957537 131351 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, this doesn't really do anything about [[User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box]]. It does establish that PSTF can't protect those pages by calling them a user sandbox.
< 1759957579 117771 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I suppose that we don't even really have community consensus that PSTF is spamming, nor is there any essential legal issue with them public-domaining all of the various snippets that they've got under their user page.
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< 1759957614 786066 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do think we need to have a discussion at some point about whether that's an appropriate use for the site – it's basically an attempt to use it as a social network, which wikis aren't very good at for a number of reasons
< 1759957665 583923 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would like to understand what to do about [[Square-complete]] and friends. I think that they show a fundamental misunderstanding of why we study computers, and entertaining it for too long will turn us into a script-kiddie den.
< 1759957795 149212 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: Sure. There's nothing wrong with having user pages, or a long user signature, or any of the other things that teenagers tend to do.
< 1759957846 848821 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: what's your opinion of https://esolangs.org/wiki/Disan_Count ?
< 1759958019 832897 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :cu
< 1759958073 557429 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Delightful. There's a similar situation in complexity theory where the class P/poly, which can be thought of as PTIME but where each individual size of input gets its own individually-wired circuit, contains Halting. It can't solve all problems, but it can be hardwired to solve specific hard problems.
< 1759958121 19381 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :APic: Peace.
< 1759958141 289662 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :☮
< 1759958149 725874 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :from my point of view, the whole Disan Count thing was probably an instance of the same misconception that lead to Square-complete, and actually produced some interesting results, but that probably wouldn't happen again because the second time wouldn't be substantially different
< 1759958168 628723 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but this makes it very hard to draw a line
< 1759958252 568391 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Should we at least forbid sub-sandboxes like [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/Some useless code]]? I can be polite about it.
< 1759958301 321962 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. Plushie-complete and PSTF-complete would be two other examples of questionable concepts.
< 1759958358 393565 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :At least the "Disan Count" page is a proper wiki page with a critical discussion.
< 1759958399 8358 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes, although the first few versions didn't look liek that
< 1759958475 573582 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is what it looked like before the criticism: https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Disan_Count&oldid=53609
< 1759958497 858497 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :still a proper wiki page
< 1759958508 408415 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I actually couldn't remember)
< 1759958764 473146 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Square-complete one is... ugh... well, the 6 properties feel rather random and half of them are rather imprecise. There's no motivation. Even the name makes no sense. But... if the page came with a rationale and a few examples... I might think differently about it?
< 1759958861 31263 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So I guess part of what redeems the Disan Count thing to my mind is that it's minimal, basically a streamlined FizzBuzz.
< 1759958896 435179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Oh it was you who added the criticism. Fun.
< 1759958908 785411 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I'm more likely to remember an article if I've interacted with it
< 1759958942 514258 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : if the page came with a rationale and a few examples... I might think differently about it? ← hmm, I think this is a good insight that doesn't just apply to that page in particular
< 1759958959 445965 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I might summarise it as "esolangs should have a reason to exist"
< 1759959033 935881 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are a very wide range of possible reasons – artistic, aesthetic, scientific, engineering – but often there seems to be a meta-reason instead ("I want to make 1000 esolangs") or no reason at all, and in that case the language often doesn't end up very good
< 1759959053 676791 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: hmm, but earlier you said that this wiki documents existing esolangs, not ones created for the wiki, so if an esolang already exists and perhaps existed before this wiki, why would you judge it on such criteria?
< 1759959080 479246 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I would still judge it (although possibly would document it anyway)
< 1759959096 855324 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am more likely to write an esolangs.org article about an esolang found offwiki if I find it interesting in some way
< 1759959143 144409 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well sure, because your time is valuable
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< 1759959211 8329 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would put it more along the lines of my attention span / mental energy being valuable
< 1759959216 74227 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :By "created for the wiki" I'm thinking of languages that wouldn't exist if the wiki didn't exist.
< 1759959235 433816 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but anyway, that is a good criteria in general, just interpret "reason to exist" broadly, like if something seemed like a good idea at the time but then didn't work out it still has a reason to exist
< 1759959241 335201 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have to generalise the wiki a bit there, to at least cover sites like codegolf stack exchange
< 1759959258 435382 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although its one-off esolangs normally have more of a purpose than our worst)
< 1759959264 246681 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :eg. if you were trying to create a variant or subset that's smaller but still Turing-complete but it turns out that it's not Turing-complete then that is still a good enough reason
< 1759959277 479166 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: hmm, I usually don't post those
< 1759959290 295616 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless the language ended up interesting some other way
< 1759959300 820843 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: sure, but you have to be careful, because there is one good language created for the wiki, the hair saloon one
< 1759959314 306305 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are some cases where I maybe posted early – in particular I am not 100% sure that Globe fulfils its reason for existence, and if it doesn't and it's unfixable I won't know what to do with the page
< 1759959316 876103 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that's an excuse that we can only use once
< 1759959341 606066 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: that was more like having a wiki-inspired name
< 1759959354 565734 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :naming things is hard, naming things using suggestions from spambots can thus occasionally be a reasonable idea
< 1759959377 489504 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and well, Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download is actually a good name for an esolang despite the etymology
< 1759959395 536410 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :certainly better than a lot of names that you find on the wiki, yes
< 1759959401 597996 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeesh
< 1759959520 645688 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I'm not sure how to classify things like https://esolangs.org/wiki/A_programming_language_is_a_system_of_notation_for_writing_computer_programs.
< 1759959541 486881 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then there's also https://esolangs.org/wiki/Y86 where one of the interesting things about the language is that its original name turned out to be so bad (it got renamed later)
< 1759959544 316444 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(note that the link ends with a period that not all IRC clients will autolink – mine doesn't)
< 1759959585 268970 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: funnily enough I have an abandoned esolang called z386
< 1759959610 585772 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which turned out to be too hard to implement, and then was superseded by actual practical research projects
< 1759959642 31106 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the basic idea was to write a constraint solver that operated on both code and data by plugging x86 syntax into z3)
< 1759959672 415587 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but there's no point in working on it now that things like Minotaur exist: https://users.cs.utah.edu/~regehr/minotaur.pdf
< 1759959681 494168 :vista_user!~vista_use@user/DOS-User:11249 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nor does mine
< 1759959703 172732 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, is it allowed to advertise tobacco products in the UK? 
< 1759959714 848363 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: sort of no
< 1759959721 835308 :vista_user!~vista_use@user/DOS-User:11249 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1759959734 495718 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: A gimmick is funny once. Same principle. Not sure how to formalize this without getting horribly gamed.
< 1759959737 168639 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are laws against it, but I think there are also loopholes
< 1759959751 522188 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hopefully https://esolangs.org/wiki/SKOAL isn't against some sort of wiki policy
< 1759959768 662629 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: yes
< 1759959808 216000 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :many shops have a list of the names of tobacco products that they sell, this is sufficiently common that I suspect that it's legal, otherwise shops wouldn't risk doing it
< 1759959832 595684 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the wiki would be less in trouble in that direction due to not actually selling tobacco
< 1759960027 317301 :molson!~molson@2001-48F8-7040-0-0-0-0-729-dynamic.midco.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1759960132 401781 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm… do we need policy if you can advertise (non-tobacco) merchandise on the wiki tied into the languages, like if someone's making language mascot plushies, or T-shirts with the source code of fungot?
< 1759960132 644154 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: our new prime minister
< 1759960133 426913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :A75. (that's how we abbreviate these things, right?) is one of those ideas that is funny once. And then somebody makes a derivative (A207.) and it looks stupid. :-/
< 1759960167 665109 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: what is A75?
< 1759960172 350977 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And making the page move is obviously a source of spam.)
< 1759960189 66063 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: presumably an abbreviation for "A programming language…"
< 1759960209 898490 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2025-10-08.html#ldd
< 1759960220 913210 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(still shorter than the real link)
< 1759960230 853009 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1759960253 871588 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the derivative is linked on that page
< 1759960344 746938 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Obviously that abbreviation is a joke. So obviously I have to add a redirect to the wiki now. (Don't worry, I won't.)
< 1759960355 403664 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: https://esolangs.org/?curid=9270 is how I would link it
< 1759960373 669587 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :That would work.
< 1759960377 97413 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I'm amazed that that works
< 1759960410 615835 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(if you look at the URL after redirection, it indicates why it works, but it looks like an accidental feature rather than an intended one)
< 1759960420 593273 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I use that to link to file pages on Wikimedia Commons often, since they tend to have longer and less directly descriptive titles than eg. Wikipedia pages
< 1759960433 653389 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm also relieved that the page name is out of date.)
< 1759960470 246782 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: what? I don't think it's an accident. hold on, it's documented, let me find where. it's the way to link by page ID. page IDs are stable.
< 1759960479 418732 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: there's a "Main Page" in the URL
< 1759960494 868761 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, and *that* might be a bug
< 1759960520 598906 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the correct form of that link is https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?curid=9270
< 1759960540 595437 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it looks like if you specify both page name and curid, curid wins
< 1759960548 933531 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php#Page_revision_or_version specifically says curid "overrides the value of the title"
< 1759960591 188254 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so https://esolangs.org/?curid=9270 redirects to https://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page?curid=9270 which rewrites to https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=9270 which gives you the page you want
< 1759960619 267254 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but this doesn't look intentional at all, it's only because the website homepage redirects to a wiki page that it works
< 1759960673 915471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it does make sense that the page title is ignored when an id is given
< 1759960685 523897 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so... unintentional feature? :)
< 1759960686 14185 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, but the "index.php" is totally an exposed implementation detail there that shouldn't be in the URL
< 1759960737 514944 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But indeed the https://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page?curid=9270 variant doesn't look like it should work :)
< 1759960744 743116 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway
< 1759960810 236712 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I disagree, the index.php is the actual wiki and the only "real" URL, everything else is redirects and rewrite rules
< 1759960832 775079 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :If I had to vote on that page being on the wiki, I'd vote against; there's no language there and the whole novelty is that its *name* is defined by external reference whose contents is ever changing.
< 1759960833 658519 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :normally you would expect the URL to contain the page you are visiting
< 1759960870 46497 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: well the name of the language and the legal source code and the output are all the same, so it does raise a conceptual issue, which is what you want for joke languages
< 1759960879 616041 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if someone edits the wikipedia page, it invalidates all existing programs and interpreters
< 1759960894 13969 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: It does. The nice things about votes is that they can be subjective ;-)
< 1759960903 560299 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: no, the main interface for the wiki is /w/ , it's just called /w/index.php instead so that people can run the wiki even if they're using a custom dumb webserver that they have difficulty configuring and *must* tie the URL to the program that the webserver runs. which, by the way, is a stupid idea in first place, where else would you let the untrusted visitor tell you the name of the executable 
< 1759960909 560170 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that you should run?
< 1759960922 565131 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :If I were an admin I'd probably let it stay simply because it's hard to argue against it objectively and it does little harm.
< 1759960930 855479 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: what's your opinion of /w/api.php?
< 1759960934 39103 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Different perspective. :P
< 1759960960 536219 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I can see an argument for listing the page under a title different from the language name
< 1759960973 836286 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I'd probably delete the derivative (which is just a stub anyway) because the last thing I'd want is more of this idea.
< 1759960994 223915 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a while ago I had the idea of creating a language whose name is negatively long and deletes characters before it
< 1759961028 474407 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: there too the ".php" is an implementation detail that shouldn't be there. probably the "api" shouldn't either and it should just trigger that interface based on the value of the action parameter, but I think there's some historical reason where the "API" is newer in MediaWiki than the main web interface and was originally an extension or something.
< 1759961060 925522 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess we're getting into philosophical issues about who and what a URL is for
< 1759961075 798553 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I don't know how to resolve them
< 1759961131 356581 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The real problem with the wiki isn't really that there's pages with weird ideas or underspecified languages that barely manage to specify a syntax and have no substance... it's the volume of them, which has evidently gone up with LLMs.
< 1759961183 968725 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think we need to do a better job of trying to curate
< 1759961202 995923 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"articles should contain human thought" is a terrible criterion if you want to be objective :P
< 1759961208 765969 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been thinking for a while that we should get rid of the existing language list and put the semi-serious language list under the "language list" title – we have a category for the whole set of languages
< 1759961235 408537 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, I've been considering trying to write an article about cursed, although I'm not 100% sure it's an esolang it is probably ontopic
< 1759961280 169066 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it was a language created by an LLM running in agent mode in a loop for three months)
< 1759961298 48351 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just the amount that that would have cost seems esoteric in its own rihg
< 1759961299 479243 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* right
< 1759961327 95814 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but its semantics would have to be reverse engineered, and apparently it has three interpreters which (given how they were created) almost certainly don't match in behaviour
< 1759961378 448539 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suspect trying to figure out what LLM code actually does is very difficult, though
< 1759961409 283759 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :interpreters that don't match in behavior doesn't exclude it, that might just mean some behavior is unspecified and there are implementation differences. as long as you can still write mostly portable programs that require only few changes between the interpreters it's not worse than real practical languages.
< 1759961437 714255 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there no documentation about the language?
< 1759961515 8614 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: oh, there's plenty of documentation
< 1759961545 771786 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, let's back up, who initiated this experiment and why in first place?
< 1759961548 995220 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, given the circumstances, there's no reason to expect it to match the interpreters or even to be internally consistent
< 1759961561 912844 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :did they intend to create a language in first place, or was that an unforseen side effect?
< 1759961618 526267 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :intended to create a language
< 1759961654 373467 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :They replaced Go's keywords. Discussion here (https://lobste.rs/s/ydgmi6/i_ran_claude_loop_for_three_months_it) reveals that it took 3mo and $14k to do this.
< 1759961669 375187 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is that the LLM version of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment
< 1759961672 505786 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like the specs are here: https://github.com/ghuntley/cursed/tree/zig/specs
< 1759961690 832183 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, they didn't actually fork Go. That would have been easy and understandable. Quoting a great comment there, "The point is not a business advantage. The point is a display of power, a message that humans are soon no longer needed."
< 1759961693 785292 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but there are pages like https://github.com/ghuntley/cursed/blob/zig/specs/compiler_stages.md that clearly have no relationship to reality
< 1759961757 608436 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or https://github.com/ghuntley/cursed/blob/zig/specs/ffi.md where the examples are written in Rust which again makes no sense in context
< 1759961857 52114 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's like V but worse. Vanity junk for the church of Algol.
< 1759961859 502961 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm
< 1759961890 338084 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sorry, that was mean. I'm hungry and it's time to take a break.
< 1759961932 757299 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually this is a lot worse than I expected it to be
< 1759961955 805956 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I arbitrarily picked a file from the test suite, and it looked like this: https://github.com/ghuntley/cursed/blob/zig/test_suite/leetcode_comprehensive_suite/strings/125_valid_palindrome.%F0%9F%92%80
< 1759961981 536179 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the commit message is amazing too)
< 1759962037 498729 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the real question is as to whether a language has even been created?
< 1759962044 638768 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"vibez.spill"
< 1759962077 74937 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"So here you'll want a … *sigh* … butt loop." https://smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1169#comic
< 1759962084 218146 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a test-suite, this must be for printf debugging ;-)
< 1759962116 158380 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :LOL, https://github.com/ghuntley/cursed/blob/zig/test_suite/leetcode_comprehensive_suite/binary_search/704_binary_search_backup.%F0%9F%92%80
< 1759962149 179415 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The "backup" has some actual bunary search looking code in it; the non-"backup" version is just $printf-s.
< 1759962167 316744 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine
< 1759962178 975598 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've heard that LLMs have a tendency to remove all the actual testing from tests in order to make them pass
< 1759962234 385523 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that does *look* a lot like a binary search, but my experience with LLMs says that they are better at producing output that looks correct than output that is correct
< 1759962274 683218 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm... wasn't there a story where an LLM optimized number crunching code to make it 100% faster, by snooping the reference result from the test suite?
< 1759962290 16286 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case the tests do not have any expected output anywhere, as far as I can tell
< 1759962290 556634 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I remember when it was fashionable on programming forums for people to post stupid microbenchmarks about what solution is "faster", like, you know, the fastest way to get the first two characters of a five character long string, in a way where the things they tested didn't even correctly solve the supposed task.
< 1759962295 357328 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :A reinforcment-learned agent (RL agent) can only have a single objective. Claude's sole objective is to help the user by being a Helpful Harmless Assistant; Claude Code is merely code-flavored in several ways.
< 1759962305 506465 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the test suite runner just prints a message saying that it's running the test, then returns 1
< 1759962311 685758 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/ghuntley/cursed/blob/zig/test_suite/leetcode_comprehensive_suite/master_test_runner.%F0%9F%92%80
< 1759962321 25260 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, I should say, a test suite runner
< 1759962345 872882 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: nah, that takes effort, these benchmarks didn't even bother to test if the result is correct. they just flat out measured the time of an operation that gave the wrong result.
< 1759962369 368663 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like the old joke about the intel processor that can multiply really fast (but gives the wrong result)
< 1759962613 245710 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :microbenching correctly is actually really difficult because you keep running into special cases in the processor if you try to run a loop too tightly
< 1759962648 165374 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes.
< 1759962694 169853 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I *love* writing a tight number crunching loop in C, changing code elsewhere (say, slightly different initialization) and then seeing the code be 20% faster.
< 1759962701 949897 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or slower
< 1759962718 686913 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: does aligning the microbenchmark to 64 help with that?
< 1759962736 705389 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's usually my first attempt to stabliise it
< 1759962763 417205 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I'm usually doing it in asm, I think gcc has a way to align a function
< 1759962783 956610 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(note: this won't necessarily speed it up or slow it down, just helps to make it more consistent)
< 1759962792 262694 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yeah, that could be caused by lots of things. one thing you should make sure to stabilize is the alignment of all the data memory accessed within a 4k page, to make sure the L1 cache pattern is the same. 
< 1759962812 641007 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't have a concrete example right now... it might have. Though on rare occasions it's actually the compiler doing something wildly different.
< 1759962890 94108 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, suddenly producing code with 5 fewer spills in the inner loop.
< 1759962946 905367 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :register allocation is NP-complete, as such sometimes compilers get it wrong
< 1759962975 733969 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fortunately, for one-off code, you can just run the fastest version without overanlyzing why exactly it's faster than others :)
< 1759962981 568327 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you have to at least put your microbenchmark into a non-inlined function in order to stop the rest of the code impacting register allocation decisions
< 1759962991 562124 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yeah, and even writing a decent approximation sounds like black magic to me
< 1759963008 320692 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's one of the parts of the compiler that I have no idea how to write if I had to write one
< 1759963008 618449 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it depends on what you consider decent/indecent
< 1759963012 72644 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the other is the inliner
< 1759963017 748405 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a plan but I don't know whether it works or not
< 1759963022 593704 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway. the point was that I can relate
< 1759963037 115458 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::)
< 1759963068 756733 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I mean this for a modern architecture like x86-linux, not eg. 6502 with 64k RAM with uniform access time (not counting bank switching)
< 1759963099 969024 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, I think my plan doesn't work, that was easy
< 1759963129 268576 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the basic idea was to start by ignoring register identity and just count how many were needed, but I think even that is not even polynomially approximable)
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