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02:26:52 <Sgeo> I saw on some social media Math.min() > Math.max() being treated as a Javascript oddity and now I'm seeing red
02:34:15 <esolangs> [[MicroMiku]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=170983 * Frendoly * (+145) Created page with "Just [[MikuLang]] but with lowercase shortenings of the commands  Ex) m 10=Miku 10   a=Adachi Rei  I did this so i can make it in micropython."
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06:39:06 <b_jonas> I assume min without arguments should give plus infinity or something else that compares very big, whereas max without arguments should give minus infinity or similar
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06:48:02 <Sgeo> b_jonas, yes. But people commenting all seemed to be confused. Maybe they were thinking Math.min() is the smallest representable number, rather than the min function?
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07:47:36 <int-e> b_jonas: Yes. Where did this come up?
07:49:23 <int-e> related: arctic and tropical rings. arctic rings have + as multiplication, max as addition, and -oo as the additive unit; tropical rings use min and -oo instead of max and +oo.
07:59:32 <int-e> fizzie: Hmm, I'm curious... is fetching an old revision expensive in Mediawiki, or is it the fact that there are so many of them so the total number of requests explode?
09:00:49 <b_jonas> int-e: Sgeo mentioned it
09:01:11 <b_jonas> I didn't start
09:02:17 <b_jonas> int-e: I was told that at one point some bots were fetching all pairwise diffs on a page with very long history like [[Introduce yourself]]
09:03:45 <b_jonas> there are only about 170_000 revisions total
09:03:59 <b_jonas> and they're all in the dump file, though compressed
09:04:49 <b_jonas> also the requests aren't just for older revisions but also for fancy word-wise highlighted diffs, which I think is some of the expensive parts
09:05:33 <int-e> b_jonas: Ah dang, I somehow missed the message in the midst of wiki edits.
09:06:12 <int-e> b_jonas: I get the pairwise diff thing. https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=170351 wouldn't suffer from that though
09:07:40 <int-e> and the message mentions that explicitly too: "certain expensive pages (diffs, old article versions)"
09:07:57 <int-e> so I assume it's intentional
09:13:51 <b_jonas> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Hata_hata_hata_ton => this is a very rare decent idea for a trivial brainfuck substitution
09:14:22 <b_jonas> I tip my hat, I didn't think I'd see one
09:14:34 <b_jonas> like ever after Ook!
09:26:25 <int-e> Do you think the author thought about the `ton jaka` prefix? (Easy to disambiguate with lookahead, or you can parse backwards and not worry about such overlaps at all.)
09:27:25 <int-e> hmm
09:28:14 <int-e> (I forgot to check a detail of that claim but it works out fine)
10:25:15 <fizzie> int-e: I didn't dig too deeply this time, but it seemed to be not _just_ about diffs, because those were already getting mostly 503'd by the rate limiting, plus applying that logged-in-only rule only to `diff=` didn't seem to help much.
10:25:20 <fizzie> Last time I was actually looking at this, the problem seemed to be -- in addition to diffs, which definitely are more expensive -- crawling the entire history of some specific very long pages, like the introductions page already mentioned and some others I can't recall right now.
10:25:24 <fizzie> (I'd like to extract some per-URL cost-to-serve numbers though.)
10:26:58 <fizzie> `blsq {}<]  "just checking"vv
10:27:00 <HackEso> blsq: Prelude.minimum: empty list
10:27:07 <fizzie> Guess that's defensible as well.
10:29:04 <sorear> if it's something like Int that has no maximum
10:30:55 <fizzie> Fun Burlesque fact: all floats are considered larger than all integers.
10:30:58 <fizzie> `blsq {7 3.0 1 2.0 5 4.5}><
10:31:00 <HackEso> ​{1 5 7 2.0 3.0 4.5}
10:37:27 <int-e> then chars, then strings and them I'm unsure which of the rest exist as values. I guess lists are next?
10:37:51 <int-e> https://github.com/FMNSSun/Burlesque/blob/master/Burlesque/Types.hs#L26-L48
10:38:16 <int-e> (I assume lists correspond to BlsqQuoted [BlsqExp])
10:38:45 <b_jonas> fizzie: cost of specific requests might not be well-defined because caching across requests has a significant effect
10:39:40 <b_jonas> sorear: what? Int has a maximum, it's 9223372036854775807, isn't it?
10:40:12 <b_jonas> @run maxBound :: Int
10:40:13 <lambdabot>  9223372036854775807
10:40:22 <sorear> or was it Integer? too long
10:40:31 <b_jonas> @run maxBound :: Integer
10:40:32 <lambdabot>  No instance for ‘Bounded Integer’ arising from a use of ‘maxBound’
10:40:32 <lambdabot>  In the expression: maxBound :: Integer
10:40:58 <b_jonas> fizzie: oh wow
10:41:07 <b_jonas> all floats larger than all integers is a strange ordering
10:41:57 <b_jonas> isn't that bad for golfing because it's harder to compare floats with specific constants like 0 or 1 or 2?
10:42:36 <fizzie> int-e: `BlsqBlock [BlsqExp]` is a list, I guess. Or at least they're consistently called "blocks". Not sure what BlsqQuoted is...
10:42:57 <fizzie> Yes, but Burlesque allegedly isn't meant for golfing.
10:45:21 <b_jonas> what
10:45:28 <b_jonas> isn't meant for golfing?
10:45:45 <b_jonas> but it added three one-character synonyms for what used to exist as two-character commands, didn't it?
10:46:13 <b_jonas> and they're ascii synonyms, it's not like it added non-ascii synonyms for users who can type those easily
10:47:07 <int-e> fizzie: you're right that lists are BlsqBlock
10:47:37 <fizzie> int-e: https://mroman.ch/burlesque/lref.html says "Quoted - Can be used to push identifiers on the stack" which I guess means (ab) but I thought that was only ever for a single identifier, so not sure why it's a list.
10:50:03 <int-e> There's a y...Y syntax by the looks of it.
10:50:06 <fizzie> I guess "isn't meant for golfing" was a bit too strongly put, suitability for golfing is somewhat of a thing. But let's say it's not exclusively meant for golfing so it doesn't try terribly hard to optimize for that use case.
10:50:34 <fizzie> "Burlesque evolved to be a programming language used for both serious applications and golfing too" is what it says in the wiki article.
10:50:53 <b_jonas> ok
10:51:21 <b_jonas> obviously every programming language can be golfed and every video game can be speedran, even the ones that seem very unsuitable for such uses
10:51:29 <fizzie> `blsq (ab)to
10:51:31 <HackEso> ​"Ident"
10:51:32 <b_jonas> but blsq seems not that bad for golfing
10:52:28 <fizzie> The y...Y syntax I'd never heard of; seems like it pushes everything in ... to the stack as separate elements, instead of as a block.
10:53:24 <fizzie> `blsq yab123.+YCLJ)to
10:53:26 <HackEso> ​{"Ident" "Int" "Ident"} \ {.+ 123 ab}
10:54:28 <fizzie> Another fun Burlesque fact: you can use the "scientific notation" syntax for integers, but *only* for integers: 1e9 is the same as 1000000000, but 1.0e9 is just an error.
10:55:11 <int-e> `blsq (y 1 2 3 Y)
10:55:13 <HackEso> ​(1 2 3)
10:55:58 <fizzie> `blsq (y 1 2 3 Y)to
10:56:00 <HackEso> ​"Quoted"
10:56:18 <fizzie> ...okay.
10:56:19 <int-e> Anyway, y ... Y parses as a BlsQuoted with more than one member.
10:57:25 <fizzie> There's a lot in the language that's neither in the language reference, nor in the moonpage.
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10:58:24 <int-e> Oh great commit message: "+ features"
10:58:51 <fizzie> For example, s0/S0/g0 (and the 1...9 variants), which also seem somewhat incompletely implemented in that they print out particularly ugly when in a block.
10:58:54 <fizzie> `blsq {g0}
10:58:56 <HackEso> ​{__INTERNAL__:BlsqGet "0"}
11:08:56 <int-e> `blsq %a = "1 2 3" |[ a pe a ]|
11:08:58 <HackEso> ​{1 2 3 "1 2 3"}
11:13:09 <fizzie> For a moment there I thought you could (usefully) do single-character idents with %x=..., but I think that's actually defining (a ) instead of (a).
11:13:17 <fizzie> But I'd no idea about |[ ... ]|.
11:13:54 <int-e> it's from the same commit as y...Y
11:14:27 <fizzie> Sounds like it's an evaluate-and-collect-results-in-a-block thing.
11:14:33 <int-e> but I don't think they interact with each other in a useful way?
11:15:38 <fizzie> `blsq |[123 456 789.+]|
11:15:40 <HackEso> ​{123 1245}
11:15:41 <fizzie> `blsq "123 456 789.+"peCl
11:15:44 <HackEso> ​{123 1245}
11:17:04 <int-e> `blsq 42 |[123 456 789.+]|
11:17:07 <HackEso> ​{123 1245} \ 42
11:17:33 <fizzie> Yeah, that'd make it different from Cl.
11:18:21 <int-e> Anyway. Still not learning Burlesque :-P
11:18:30 <fizzie> Can't immediately think of a use case in AoC solutions but I'm sure it could be handy sometimes.
11:19:56 <fizzie> There's cases when you do need the result of one evaluation in a singleton block, but ...bx is shorter than |[...]|.
11:40:45 <int-e> `blsq {1 2 3}S0%0!
11:40:48 <HackEso> 3 \ 2 \ 1 \ {1 2 3}
11:57:43 <APic> Hi
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21:41:26 <int-e> I finished the Bonfire Peaks DLC... so many good puzzles. (I don't know how one manages to keep puzzles both clean (no extra stuff, almost no unused features in the puzzle layout; too many puzzle games try to be difficult by just making humongous levels with way too many moving parts) and full of new ideas (well, there are themes but I feel that most of the non-introductory puzzles each have...
21:41:32 <int-e> ...their own unique twist)
21:42:29 <int-e> (DLC is https://draknek.itch.io/bonfire-peaks-lost-memories ...it *did* take a long time to finish)
22:03:14 <zzo38> I know some puzzle games do have puzzles too big to fit on the screen, but the ones I prefer and some that I have made up are mostly made up to fit the entire puzzle on the screen at once, although how many moving parts can vary as well as the size of the puzzle. There are different kind of puzzle games; some kinds use a grid.
22:05:33 <zzo38> Some puzzles in some kind of games can involve many kind of ideas, including: combinations of objects, unusual consequences of rules, etc.
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