00:50:24 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171687&oldid=171686 * Blashyrkh * (+1904) JI expressions for linear combinators (search result)
01:02:20 <esolangs> [[Hair]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=171688 * A() * (+2122) Created page with "Have ever wanted your code to look like a hair style? Well now you can! ==Commands== {| class="wikitable" |+ Caption text |- ! cmd !! |- | ( || move forward any random amount |- | ) || move backward any random amount |- | / || inc cell |- | \ || dec cell |- | { ||
01:02:48 <esolangs> [[Hair]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171689&oldid=171688 * A() * (+1)
01:05:10 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (H-M)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171690&oldid=166423 * A() * (+15)
01:05:24 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (H-M)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171691&oldid=171690 * A() * (+1512) /* Hair */
01:08:27 <esolangs> [[Hair]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171692&oldid=171689 * A() * (+30)
01:15:17 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171693&oldid=171682 * A() * (+23) /* S */
01:16:38 <esolangs> [[User:A()]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171694&oldid=171654 * A() * (+10) /* Esolangs */
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01:31:30 <esolangs> [[Slug+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171695&oldid=171653 * A() * (+0)
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02:27:31 <esolangs> [[Bleph!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171696&oldid=171589 * A() * (+39)
02:52:24 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171697&oldid=171078 * Hotcrystal0 * (+63)
02:59:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171698&oldid=171497 * A() * (+223) /* User:A()'s theory */ new section
03:02:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171699&oldid=171698 * A() * (+59)
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03:33:11 <esolangs> [[@Ping gimmick role]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=171700 * Akira * (+134) Created page with "<code>@Ping gimmick role</code> is an esolang created by the <code>#only-ping</code> channel of the Bale of Esoturtles Discord server."
03:33:35 <esolangs> [[@Ping gimmick role]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171701&oldid=171700 * Akira * (+26)
03:46:16 <esolangs> [[@Ping gimmick role]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171702&oldid=171701 * Akira * (+24)
03:49:31 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171703&oldid=171693 * Akira * (+27)
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07:38:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171704&oldid=171699 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+144)
07:38:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171705&oldid=171704 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+130) /* User:A()'s theory */
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08:33:17 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/NBBS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171706&oldid=170990 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-592) /* A simple Esolang */
08:47:16 <esolangs> [[Mango]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171707&oldid=171190 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-6156) return the page, if you want you can take it
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09:40:27 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171708&oldid=171687 * Blashyrkh * (+1645) Other bruteforce results
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09:43:36 <esolangs> [[Mango]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171709&oldid=171707 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+3415) i have an esolang, im taking this name lol.
09:44:06 <esolangs> [[Mango]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171710&oldid=171709 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+91) /* Commands */
09:45:08 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171711&oldid=171708 * Blashyrkh * (+0) /* Some common combinators in JI basis */ Typo
09:45:47 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171712&oldid=171633 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+30) /* esolangs */
09:48:09 <esolangs> [[Mango]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171713&oldid=171710 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+127) /* Examples */ Categories
09:49:08 <esolangs> [[Mango]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171714&oldid=171713 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+65) /* Commands */
09:49:47 <esolangs> [[Mango]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171715&oldid=171714 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+35) /* Commands */
09:50:31 <esolangs> [[Mango]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171716&oldid=171715 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+13) /* Commands */
09:50:51 <esolangs> [[Mango]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171717&oldid=171716 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+4) /* Commands */
09:52:30 <esolangs> [[Hidden in those 301 years]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171718&oldid=171632 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+122) /* Semantics */
09:54:37 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171719&oldid=171533 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-103)
09:54:49 <esolangs> [[A Delusion of Control]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171720&oldid=170250 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+136) /* Command set */
10:00:03 <esolangs> [[Hangover]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171721&oldid=170036 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+29)
10:00:21 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171722&oldid=171719 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (-82) /* largest esolang pages (of my esolangs) that I made */ remove mango as [[User:Yayimhere]] now owns it
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10:21:00 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171723&oldid=171711 * Blashyrkh * (+414) /* Simplest example - program which ignores its input and does nothing more */
10:29:24 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171724&oldid=171723 * Blashyrkh * (+73) /* Examples */ First example - add some comments about transformations of the expression
10:45:14 <esolangs> [[1234567890]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171725&oldid=171404 * Yoyolin0409 * (-15) /* Instruction list */
10:49:32 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171726&oldid=171724 * Blashyrkh * (+318) /* Some common combinators in JI basis */ Versions of M and increment with inlined argument
10:59:37 <esolangs> [[NoE]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=171727 * Yoyolin0409 * (+2981) Created page with "'''No''' is an solang by [[Usr:yoyolin0409]](actually is [[User:yoyolin0409]] lmao). Its inspiration cam from the absnc of th "" W wantd to s what would happn if all writing systms lost this most common symbol. As you can s, the prcding text was difficult to rad.(But Go
11:01:06 <esolangs> [[NoE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171728&oldid=171727 * Yoyolin0409 * (+1)
11:06:37 <esolangs> [[NoE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171729&oldid=171728 * Yoyolin0409 * (+625)
11:10:16 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171730&oldid=171726 * Blashyrkh * (+376) First example finished
11:12:50 <esolangs> [[BRaInFUCK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171731&oldid=128910 * Yoyolin0409 * (+91)
11:15:35 <esolangs> [[User:Yoyolin0409]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171732&oldid=171626 * Yoyolin0409 * (+49)
11:28:55 <esolangs> [[User:Yoyolin0409]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171733&oldid=171732 * Yoyolin0409 * (+10) /* Just Another Language */
11:29:35 <esolangs> [[NoE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171734&oldid=171729 * Yoyolin0409 * (-1) /* History */
11:34:17 <esolangs> [[NoE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171735&oldid=171734 * Yoyolin0409 * (-33)
11:37:29 <esolangs> [[NoE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171736&oldid=171735 * Yoyolin0409 * (-14)
11:38:45 <esolangs> [[NoE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171737&oldid=171736 * Yoyolin0409 * (+1929)
11:41:42 <esolangs> [[NoE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171738&oldid=171737 * Yoyolin0409 * (+171)
11:52:27 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=171739 * Yoyolin0409 * (+160) Created page with "'''Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D''' is an esolang by [[User:Yoyolin0409]]. The inspiration came from "[[HQ9+]]" and its various enhanced versions."
12:06:50 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171740&oldid=171739 * Yoyolin0409 * (+1578)
12:19:48 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171741&oldid=171740 * Yoyolin0409 * (+179)
12:37:14 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yoyolin0409]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171742&oldid=171535 * PrySigneToFry * (+175) /* */ new section
12:38:59 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yoyolin0409]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171743&oldid=171742 * Yoyolin0409 * (+105)
12:48:37 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=171744 * Yoyolin0409 * (+7633) Created page with "'''''' is also called Chinese Taiwan by [[User:yoyolin0409]] == Syntax == The syntax is coming. {| class="wikitable" |+ Syntax |- ! Chinese !! Pseudo-Code |- | something || print(something) |- | something[--prompt] || input(something[, __prompt]) |- | expression ||
12:48:51 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171745&oldid=171744 * Yoyolin0409 * (-19)
12:49:25 <esolangs> [[User:Yoyolin0409]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171746&oldid=171733 * Yoyolin0409 * (+56)
12:49:38 <esolangs> [[User:Yoyolin0409]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171747&oldid=171746 * Yoyolin0409 * (+0)
12:55:55 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171748&oldid=171741 * Yoyolin0409 * (+1690)
13:00:54 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171749&oldid=171748 * Yoyolin0409 * (+376)
13:08:11 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171750&oldid=171749 * Yoyolin0409 * (+603)
13:08:40 <esolangs> [[HQ9+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171751&oldid=160632 * Yoyolin0409 * (+97) /* See also */
13:09:58 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=171752 * Yoyolin0409 * (+60) Redirected page to [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]]
13:14:27 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171753&oldid=171750 * Yoyolin0409 * (+28) /* Instructions */
13:15:35 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171754&oldid=171753 * Yoyolin0409 * (+1) /* Instructions */
13:17:26 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171755&oldid=171754 * Yoyolin0409 * (+16) /* Instructions */
13:20:38 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171756&oldid=171755 * Yoyolin0409 * (+8) /* Instructions */
13:21:45 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171757&oldid=171756 * Yoyolin0409 * (+89) /* Instructions */
13:23:24 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171758&oldid=171757 * Yoyolin0409 * (+81)
13:24:06 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171759&oldid=171758 * Yoyolin0409 * (+19)
13:24:24 <esolangs> [[User:Yoyolin0409]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171760&oldid=171747 * Yoyolin0409 * (+52)
13:28:32 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171761&oldid=171759 * Yoyolin0409 * (+77)
13:30:10 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171762&oldid=171761 * Yoyolin0409 * (+49) /* Instructions */
13:34:27 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171763&oldid=171762 * Yoyolin0409 * (+11)
13:35:25 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9ef***+-~B2D]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=171764 * Yoyolin0409 * (+68) Redirected page to [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]]
13:36:23 <esolangs> [[HQ9+brahbrahbrah]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=171765 * Yoyolin0409 * (+68) Redirected page to [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]]
13:36:54 <esolangs> [[HQ9+-~B2D]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=171766 * Yoyolin0409 * (+68) Redirected page to [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]]
13:38:53 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171767&oldid=171763 * Yoyolin0409 * (+64)
13:42:14 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171768&oldid=171767 * Yoyolin0409 * (-43)
13:43:11 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171769&oldid=171768 * Yoyolin0409 * (+11)
13:47:13 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Proginc * New user account
13:54:49 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171770&oldid=171769 * Yoyolin0409 * (+193)
14:02:56 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171771&oldid=171770 * Yoyolin0409 * (+315)
14:05:17 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171772&oldid=171771 * Yoyolin0409 * (+57)
14:08:41 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171773&oldid=171661 * Proginc * (+169)
14:09:18 <esolangs> [[User:Proginc]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=171774 * Proginc * (+35) Created page with "Hewo (currently under construction)"
14:10:16 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171775&oldid=171772 * Yoyolin0409 * (+309)
14:17:00 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171776&oldid=171775 * Yoyolin0409 * (+251)
14:22:51 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171777&oldid=171697 * Hotcrystal0 * (+403)
14:23:21 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171778&oldid=171776 * Yoyolin0409 * (+9) /* Instructions */
14:25:04 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171779&oldid=171778 * Yoyolin0409 * (+1) /* Example */
14:26:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171780&oldid=171705 * * (+891) /* User:'s theories */ new section
14:27:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171781&oldid=171780 * * (-1) /* User:'s theories */
14:27:13 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171782&oldid=171779 * Yoyolin0409 * (+41) /* Instructions */
14:27:54 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171783&oldid=171781 * * (-3) /* User:'s theories */
14:30:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171784&oldid=171783 * * (+44) /* User:A()'s theory */
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14:54:45 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171785&oldid=171782 * Yoyolin0409 * (+1841)
15:03:50 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171786&oldid=171785 * Yoyolin0409 * (-29) /* Random number generator */
15:04:16 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171787&oldid=171786 * Yoyolin0409 * (-1) /* Random number generator */
15:06:34 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171788&oldid=171787 * Yoyolin0409 * (+1) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/171787|171787]] by [[Special:Contributions/Yoyolin0409|Yoyolin0409]] ([[User talk:Yoyolin0409|talk]])
15:06:45 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171789&oldid=171788 * Yoyolin0409 * (+29) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/171786|171786]] by [[Special:Contributions/Yoyolin0409|Yoyolin0409]] ([[User talk:Yoyolin0409|talk]])
15:07:42 <esolangs> [[Smasnug ABrainFIsHCHIHqFRSI9efuck+-~B2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171790&oldid=171789 * Yoyolin0409 * (+10) /* Random number generator */
15:14:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171791&oldid=171784 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+181) /* User:'s theories */
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15:53:36 <ais523> I was feeling a bit better recently than I have been over the past couple of weeks, still haven't accomplished much though
15:58:06 <Yayimhere> ive been thinking about the box thing for quite a while, and how to make it some sort pf "feature"
15:58:16 <esolangs> [[Crushed Stax]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=171792 * GolferHome * (+1478) Created page with "== Crushed Stax == In short, Crushed Stax is 7-bit version of PackedStax, to remove the reductant 1 in most significant bit in each byte. First, the code should be turned to a binary stream, then grouped into 7-bit groups, then a 1 will appended in start of ea
16:04:22 <Yayimhere> i was also recently pleasantly surprised that my language Bring to another has gotten some attention
16:07:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171793&oldid=171791 * * (+658) /* User:'s theories */
16:07:30 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171794&oldid=171793 * * (+0) /* User:'s theories */
16:08:06 <esolangs> [[2027]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171795&oldid=170406 * PkmnQ * (+0) I probably should've asked what timezone
16:09:01 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171796&oldid=171794 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+269) /* User:'s theories */
16:23:00 <esolangs> [[Book]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=171797 * Yoyolin0409 * (+976) Created page with "'''Book''' is an esolang by [[User:yoyolin0409]]. Its inspiration comes from various books. God knows how it works. I just randomly messed around with some stuff. ==Instructions== {| class="wikitable" ! Instruction ! Description |- |001234567891011121314151617181 |Start
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16:25:25 <esolangs> [[Book]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171798&oldid=171797 * Yoyolin0409 * (+191)
16:27:31 <esolangs> [[Book]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171799&oldid=171798 * Yoyolin0409 * (+209)
16:27:39 <korvo> Yayimhere: Bring to another isn't a language, but a sort of performance art.
16:27:57 <Yayimhere> korvo: hmm, that is an interesting perspective
16:28:21 <korvo> Yayimhere: Well, I think that a language can only be defined by a grammar or a recognizer.
16:29:00 <esolangs> [[Book]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171800&oldid=171799 * Yoyolin0409 * (+114)
16:36:11 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171801&oldid=171730 * Blashyrkh * (+1462) /* Truth machine */ The final result, no "source code" yet
16:39:42 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Crazy J]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171802&oldid=171801 * Blashyrkh * (-18) rectwrap class for "compiled" examples
16:43:20 <korvo> Yayimhere: In general, while I'm not going to tell you to stop, I do worry that folks have completely misunderstood Burn, Feather, and a few other similar articles.
16:43:51 <ais523> Burn seems to have accidentally turned into an ARG
16:43:57 <korvo> The reason that Burn was shared is in the hope that a complete theory, which existed in one person's mind, could arise in some other mind.
16:44:13 <ais523> and is possibly more interesting/useful in that state than it is as an actual esolang?
16:44:15 <korvo> Exactly, it wasn't an ARG or a challenge or a puzzle that leads to a Silicon Valley office job.
16:44:17 <ais523> I mostly just shared it because I had no reason not to
16:44:29 <Yayimhere> korvo: perhaps. note that the only real reason I published it was because I wanted to share the progress me and my freind had
16:44:36 <Yayimhere> just to document it to the public ig
16:44:42 <ais523> my suspicion wrt Burn-style situations is that you could create them intentionally but it wouldn't be as good/fun as the original if you did
16:45:19 <ais523> Feather is a bit different because, unlike Burn, I never actually had a working version, just a concept that I was sure could be turned into a programming language but I couldn't find a set of details that worked
16:46:03 <ais523> I guess my thought process with Burn is "the Esolang wiki is there to document esolangs, I have all the known information about this one particular esolang even though nobody remembers exactly how it worked"
16:46:12 <korvo> Yayimhere: Well, I did read your pastebin. There's two yellow flags that make me wonder about this. (Yellow cards, maybe? I'm sure your country has a notion of the colored warning cards used in football.) First, did you and your friend have an interpreter that you'd be willing to share? Second, is there a reason why the pastebin's contents aren't on the wiki?
16:46:13 <ais523> "so I will put the information on the wiki to document it as well as possible"
16:46:50 <Yayimhere> korvo: I did have an intepreter at some point, but idk where it is now, and where it could be, I dont not currently have access.
16:46:50 <ais523> korvo: copyright, length and topicality are the primary reasons to link to something rather than post it on the wiki directly
16:47:05 <Yayimhere> the second of which, I dont really know
16:47:19 <korvo> ais523: FWIW I appreciate the small hints of discussion on Feather, even scant as they are, because they are *very* meaningful for anybody who has implemented a Scheme-ish language before. For me, reading those old IRC logs immediately led me to imagine call/cc for Vixen, which I hadn't considered before.
16:47:20 <Yayimhere> we just didnt want to publish it, and it was easier to use markdown when editing and chatting constantly together
16:47:26 <ais523> Graue (original founder of the wiki) was very much in favour of holding source code (both esolang and interpreter source code) offsite and linking to it, rather than putting it on the wiki directly, and I think there are good arguments for that
16:48:10 <ais523> korvo: right, I can't show you what a working version of Feather looks like because I don't have one, but you can (in the logs) see the thoughts I had at the time
16:48:24 <korvo> Yayimhere: Sure, no worries. That's all okay. You didn't do anything wrong, but at the same time I hope that you can see how frustrating that is for a reader or anybody who wants to build upon your work.
16:48:56 <Yayimhere> korvo: i do. at some point I will move it over, when I get it organized enough
16:49:08 <ais523> korvo: I think Burn's talk page is good evidence of what that looks like
16:49:31 <ais523> I was kind-of amazed by how different most of the theories are from the known information (also, I expected it to be figured out fairly quickly, but apparently I was wrong)
16:49:38 <korvo> ais523: Since then, have you seen the tower of metainterpreters named after colors, particularly Black, Purple, and Pink? I think that, for *mutually consenting* setups, the problem is 100% solved. The only thing not figured out is capability-safety, which wasn't on their radar.
16:49:53 <ais523> korvo: no and I think I am missing some context
16:51:23 <korvo> ais523: https://namin.seas.harvard.edu/pubs/popl-collapsing-towers.pdf This was my entrypoint. Black is a Scheme-like language that permits nested subinterpreters which can have
16:51:56 <ais523> oh, I see, this is about the "eigenratio 1" problem
16:52:15 <korvo> ...Which can have "tangled hierarchies", references which violate any sort of leveling or grading of interpreters. Purple extends this with an efficient compilation scheme. Pink adds multi-stage programming.
16:52:21 <ais523> that isn't the blocking problem for Feather, it's more of a nice-to-have (but it would be interesting to solve both for Feather and in other esolang contexts)
16:52:21 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Crazy J]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171803&oldid=171802 * Blashyrkh * (+25) /* Instructions */ Mention alternative way to prove Turing-completeness
16:53:01 <ais523> I don't think I'm in the right mental state to read this paper just now but I'll save it for later, I am interested in the topic
16:53:31 <korvo> Oh. I suppose I didn't understand after all. To me, it seemed like Feather's desires would be answered by e.g. implementing Pink in Kernel, a Scheme which is based on f-exprs and vau calculus. Literally every part of the system, including Kernel's core-most macros, would be a first-class inspectable meta-interpretable object.
16:54:17 <ais523> so I think the "defining operation" of Feather, the way I envisaged it, is a way to get at the meta-interpreter from inside the program, and change it in such a way that the running program still exists
16:54:31 <ais523> and appears to always have been running on the new meta-interpreter
16:55:12 <ais523> so that you can, e.g., edit the meta-interpreter by adding a debug log, then look at the debug log and see events in it from earlier in the program
16:55:13 <korvo> Does that mean that there's a homomorphism from the old program state to the new state, or is the new state generated by a backwards search?
16:55:44 <ais523> either would be a valid implementation, but my attempts to implement were concentrating on the latter
16:58:26 <ais523> or, hmm, more specifically the plan was basically to restart the program using the new interpreter, but in a bisimulation kind of way where the operations on the new interpreter were equivalent to those on the old one
16:58:33 <ais523> which seems something like a hybrid of your definitions
16:59:02 <ais523> it has to use backward search to some extent, though, because the meta-interpreter is *also* written in Feather and so you can reach up multiple levels
16:59:50 <ais523> (yes, this is somewhat ill-defined, I never came up with a correct definition and there may not be one)
17:01:42 <ais523> I had a plan which was basically "write a Feather interpreter in language X, use it to run a Feather interpreter written in Feather, pick an arbitrary number n, create an n-deep tower of Feather self-interpreters, if something tries to interact with an interpreter more deeply nested than n, retroactively increase the value of n"
17:02:03 <ais523> (I don't know whether or not this plan is actually workable)
17:05:49 <korvo> Okay, I see. I can somewhat imagine that, and I've seen Church so I know that search *can* do this sort of thing.
17:07:27 <korvo> I suspect Yoneda's lemma applies if there's a homomorphism. Specifically, there would have to be a computation at the meta-level which represents that homomorphism. And you're planning on using those meta-computations anyway. So perhaps Yoneda puts a limitation on what can be expressed?
17:08:14 <korvo> Like, homomorphisms "add debugging information after every statement" <=> computations "alter the meta-interpreter so that each statement is followed by a formatted debug log"
17:09:29 <korvo> The obvious issue is that this would be implemented by replaying histories. Efficient execution therefore means efficiently cutting out histories after detecting that they are unreachable?
17:17:59 <korvo> Anyway, no worries, I don't expect to solve your Feather problem tonight, any more than somebody will solve the Burn problem. They're not problems.
17:27:19 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171804&oldid=171803 * Blashyrkh * (+136) /* Abstraction elimination rules */ Mention naive approach of abstraction elimination
17:27:53 <esolangs> [[Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171805&oldid=162389 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+3988) add details derived from the original HackMD.
17:28:11 <Yayimhere> well then korvo, I did it(thanks for the advice)
17:28:52 <korvo> Yayimhere: Nice! I hope that this is useful for somebody in the future. And you never know, *you* might be that somebody!
17:29:12 <Yayimhere> the language is actually something I draw inspiration from
17:32:15 <esolangs> [[Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171806&oldid=171805 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+2) /* Rule 110 */
17:35:04 <esolangs> [[Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171807&oldid=171806 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+27) /* (Nearly) known facts */
17:36:32 <esolangs> [[Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171808&oldid=171807 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+11) /* Assumptions and likely facts */
17:42:39 <esolangs> [[Feather]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171809&oldid=116108 * Ais523 * (+117) another Feather-related IRC log
17:46:54 <ais523> <ais523 in 2021> now, somehow it has to skip doing that because the feature's there already: if it did the retroactive change again, and we recalculated what that did again, it would just lead to an infinite loop and the program would never make progress ← oh! I have been thinking about Feather to some extent since then, and it's worth noting a major change in my plans: until recently I was planning "when recalculating after a retroactive change ends up
17:46:56 <ais523> reaching the point of the change, the *program* detect that the chance has already been made and skips re-making it to avoid an infinite regress", but more recently I have come to believe that the correct behaviour is "the program actually does attempt to re-make the change, but the *interpreter* skips repeating the change in order to avoid an infinite loop", and one possible way to implement this is for the interpreter to angelic-nondeterministically skip
17:46:57 <ais523> retroactive changes (probably trying the "skip" line first, and then going back and doing the change if it detects that the change should have been made but wasn't)
17:48:24 <ais523> I very nearly managed to get past one of the main barriers blocking Feather like that, but unfortunately the model I had turned out to be uncomputable (it could have solved the halting problem) due to being able to take suprema over program executions
17:49:01 <ais523> and uncomputable models aren't very useful for implementing languages with
17:49:56 <ais523> (the basic idea was "skip retroactive changes with probability X, take limits" but taking the limit of a program execution is not computable)
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17:57:07 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171810&oldid=171712 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+106) /* esolangs */
17:57:43 <ais523> now I'm thinking about esolangs that would be easy and/or hard to recreate from examples if the implementations and specifications were lost
17:58:17 <ais523> at one extreme is languages like Forte and the various excessively verbose BF syntaxes, where each individual command is supposed to be completely obvious in what it does
17:59:31 <ais523> something like Jelly would be very hard to figure out, I think: it has lots of high-level builtins, most of which aren't use by any given program, and the way data flows through a program is based on dividing the builtins into groups and checking to see which patterns the groups form
17:59:45 <ais523> (something which can't be decoded without knowing which groups the builtins are in)
18:00:22 <Yayimhere> I think a trivial class of hard to decode languages, are languages where the commands are numerical, and lay in the underlying ascii values(or similair)
18:00:41 <ais523> I guess one thing that makes Jelly *slightly* easier is that the builtins, despite being grouped based on behaviour, are given single-character names where the characters within a group mostly share a property
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18:01:04 <ais523> e.g. one of the group is two-argument builtins, which are mostly named after lowercase letters (but not all, some of them are punctuation marks)
18:02:04 <ais523> I guess languages which rely on a decoding step before being interpreted, that's one separate step on top of the rest of the language, but at least it might be possible to solve that step in isolation
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18:03:06 <ais523> …and now I have a memory of an esolang that ignored everything except words that were exactly five letters long, designed to be even easier to hide in poetry than some other esolang – but I have no idea whether it's an esolang that anyone actually created or whether I just dreamt of it in an esolang-related dream
18:07:00 <HackEso> [U+1810 MONGOLIAN DIGIT ZERO]
18:11:47 <korvo> ais523: Makes me think of the undecidability of parsing Perl 5. (https://jeffreykegler.github.io/personal/undecide/TPR3.pdf for those who haven't seen it.)
18:21:43 <ais523> I guess the odds that I have dreamt it are quite high because I would be unlikely to be considering the possibility unless it had actually happene
18:28:54 <ais523> (given that it was a dream, the "some other esolang" probably wasn't defined)
18:48:38 <b_jonas> "words that were exactly five letters long" => you know how Mathematica uses the convention that names starting with an uppercase letter are in the standard library distributed with the program, while names starting with a lowercase letter are for the user. At one point I was thinking of a language where names in the standard library are 3 or 6 letters long.
18:57:11 <b_jonas> But I decided later that this was a bad idea
19:14:55 <ais523> I'm trying to figure out how that five-letter language would even work
19:15:14 <ais523> presumably you'd want multiple words to map onto the same command, to give more flexibility to the poetry
19:16:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171811&oldid=171796 * A() * (+617) /* Some Theories About Syntax User:A() */ new section
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19:39:06 <ais523> Shakespeare the programming language? it does that with constants, but doesn't do it with other language elements, which makes programs painfully repetitive
19:39:32 <b_jonas> yeah, it's not a very good example
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20:17:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171813&oldid=171812 * A() * (+127) /* Some Theories About Syntax User:A() */
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20:59:14 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171815&oldid=171814 * A() * (+114)
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21:02:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171817&oldid=171816 * A() * (+133)
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21:06:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171819&oldid=171818 * A() * (+166)
21:06:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171820&oldid=171819 * A() * (-1)
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21:10:30 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171823&oldid=171822 * A() * (+88)
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21:12:38 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171825&oldid=171824 * A() * (+89) /* Some Theories About Syntax User:A() */
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21:15:00 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bring to another]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171827&oldid=171826 * A() * (+103)
21:23:21 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171828&oldid=171804 * Blashyrkh * (+6487) Truth-machine explained
21:37:21 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Crazy J]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171829&oldid=171828 * Blashyrkh * (+6) /* Simplest example - program which ignores its input and does nothing else */ Rephrase
22:07:31 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Crazy J]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171830&oldid=171829 * Blashyrkh * (+0) Rename JI -> IJ
22:16:08 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Crazy J]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171831&oldid=171830 * Blashyrkh * (-1) /* Truth-machine */ Rephrase
22:29:13 <esolangs> [[!Matrix]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=171832&oldid=171180 * A() * (+139)
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23:59:34 <esolangs> [[Wyvyx]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=171844 * Buckets * (+1233) Created page with "{{lowercase}} wyvyx Is An Esoteric programming language created By [[User:Buckets]] In 2021. {| class="wikitable" |- ! Commands !! Instructions |- | ~ || Push a random Number Between 0 And 9. |- | ! || Pop the Top value Modulo 256 And Print it As ASCII. |- | _ || Pop the