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22:00:07 <int-e> hmmmm colors! https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-mixing-4.jpg
22:00:41 <Everything> int-e: what this? cellular automata?
22:01:25 <b_jonas> Everything: no, it's a puzzle-ish simulation game that's the sequel the shapez.io
22:01:31 <int-e> it's a game called shapez 2 that I've been playing (to leave early access in April)
22:01:42 <b_jonas> sandbox simulation except it's paint instead of sand
22:02:38 <int-e> the color mixing rules are such that you can create any color from an even mix of the primary colors. that's what this device is doing (you can rotate r/g/b to get the others)
22:03:22 <int-e> (tbd: control inputs with wires and valves)
22:03:28 <b_jonas> int-e: do you get as much output as the sum of inputs?
22:03:48 <int-e> b_jonas: yes, mixers are 2 x 450L/s in and 900L/s out
22:03:57 <int-e> so it's *very* different from shapez 1.
22:04:02 <int-e> or shapez.io
22:04:49 <int-e> (correcting the name; I find it hard to not think of it as shapez 1 when there's a shapez 2)
22:05:01 <b_jonas> feel free to call it shapez 1
22:05:55 <int-e> Oh I will. I'm trying (and probably failing) to clarify that there's only two games in this discussion, not three.
22:06:39 <b_jonas> Spelunky Classic, Spelunky HD, and Spelunky 2
22:09:25 <b_jonas> so do you have these mixer boxes in pairs, giving a choice of all seven colors together?
22:10:57 <b_jonas> or does this one sector switch between all seven output colors?
22:11:05 <int-e> It's hard to tell from the building (because there's always two mixers stacked on top of each other in each slot but they're not always fed the same inputs) the flow goes like this: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-mixing.png (read left to right; black circles are mixers)
22:11:41 <int-e> b_jonas: there's 4 copies of the same build, with different colors on the 6 input pipes
22:13:04 <int-e> So at this point the selection of the four output colors would be manual.
22:14:44 <b_jonas> int-e: I don't understand that graphics. are the six columns on the left show six different configurations that get you different output colors?
22:14:52 <int-e> yes
22:15:47 <b_jonas> ok
22:16:11 <int-e> the color mixing rule is actually rather simple: add the two colors (as RGB), then "normalize" by dividing by the maximal channel value. Except it's truncating division. So red + magenta gives 2/2 = 1 for red and 1/2 = 0/2 = 0 for blue and green... so red.
22:17:00 <b_jonas> so next you have to add filters controlled by logic on the left side of this sector so that it can automatically switch to a desired output color?
22:17:43 <int-e> Yeah. I've actually done this for a mixer that produces 4x as much of a single color: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-mixer.jpg
22:18:46 <int-e> (I hate that one can't really discern wire crossings. I hope they improve that in 1.0)
22:19:16 <b_jonas> it has to take up a whole triple length sector?
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22:20:18 <int-e> The valves have limited throughput and threading pipes and wires is awkward. I don't think I can fit it into a 2x1.
22:20:45 <b_jonas> but why is the mixer area much bigger than in your previous screenshot?
22:21:10 <b_jonas> ah no, it's not bigger
22:21:14 <b_jonas> it's just shaped differently
22:22:01 <int-e> Because it's 4 mixers with 1/4 the throughput. They're significantly smaller individually.
22:23:17 <int-e> I also have spent way more time on the higher throughput mixer.
22:25:31 <int-e> Anyway. This may even become a 2x3 by the time I'm done with the wires.
22:25:52 <APic> Good Night    😴
22:35:14 <int-e> The tricky thing about routing in this game is that vertical connections are rather limited: they go from one floor to another and on each of those two floors they connect to exactly one neighbor. This is what results in all those awkward looking zigzags
22:35:53 <int-e> this is currently true for belts, pipes, wires, and also for space belts and space pipes at the platform level
22:38:40 <int-e> (I view it as a puzzle mechanic. But it can be annoying :P)
22:43:30 <b_jonas> int-e: sounds like Satisfactory
22:45:40 <b_jonas> well not quite, they can have a straight vertical connection more than one floors high
22:46:32 <int-e> You can do that in shapez 2 too, you can go from the bottom to the top floor. (There is only 3 floors.)
22:47:39 <int-e> I haven't seen too much of satisfactory. I've seen people wrestle with conveyer belts, but I've missed vertical connections.
22:48:57 <int-e> Anyway. All this because I want to make a proper MAM before 1.0 is released...
22:49:16 <int-e> "proper" in the sense that it produces more than 2 belts worth of output :)
22:50:27 <int-e> I may be overcooking the color mixing though. :)
22:58:36 <b_jonas> int-e: you can have sloped belts in Satisfactory, but there are also belt lifts, but they have one entrance and one exit
23:00:14 <b_jonas> you may be, yes. I tried things like that in shapez, where I build only half as much of a color or of windmills as the worst shape could have, but add buffer tanks and then split, and it works, but it's usually easier to just produce enough of every constant shape and color for everyone
23:00:31 <b_jonas> but that's because land is free in shapez.io, so I can mine as much of everything as I want
23:00:37 <b_jonas> could be different in shapez 2 where you pay for the land
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23:20:48 <int-e> Like, this is probably good enough even though it pulls in color in a 6:6:0 ratio instead of the ideal 4:4:4 in the worst case: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-mixing-5.jpg
23:21:19 <int-e> and will be a lot easier to do selection for, and have lower latency
23:22:01 <int-e> (though latency really isn't that much of a concern; the number of shapes you have to deliver grows exponentially... well until you hit 2^31)
23:39:55 <int-e> b_jonas: I'm not sure how relevant the platform limit really is... it depends on how much you enjoy building up production capacity I suppose. I prefer the design aspect and for that purpose it hasn't been an issue.
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