< 1773882327 68495 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1773885835 357855 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:1807:41fe:bcf2:17ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1773886041 857202 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :files not having names would break an assumption made by a very large number of programs < 1773886353 270524 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, although not programs that are written deliberately for this system. Even for programs that do care about the names (and other things, such as permissions, etc), compatibility libraries are possible if needed, although the program could also be canged to reduce the cases where the name is needed. < 1773886519 858569 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw, I think it's generally correct for programs not to be able to see the names of files they're given as capabilities (but to nonetheless be able to display them to the user, presumably by passing the file descriptor directly to the UI to print its name) < 1773886541 997624 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I've forgotten why I came to that conclusion < 1773886592 226135 :amby!~ambylastn@host-92-17-36-146.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1773886606 84129 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :My reason might be different although possibly similar < 1773886726 517732 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one thing it does is to prevent the program trying to reopen the file via means other than the capability it's given (which might be, e.g., a TOCTOU bug), but I don't think that was the original reason (but maybe it was?) < 1773887377 209915 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :That is one possible reason; another possible reason is to ensure that the program does not care about the file name. < 1773887693 568708 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you pass a file capability as a argument to a uxn program, then the uxn emulator could make up a temporary name to refer to it within that program; you can also have separate arguments to optionally define mappings (others will be needed too, such as: standard I/O streams, date/time capability, audio capability, display capability, etc; any of them can be omitted if those features are not used) < 1773889882 492960 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :b_jonas < 1773889975 511946 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooray, Pantagruel has been ported to OCaml and now I can install it with Nix! But the port was done by Claude, boo. It seems to work somewhat, but the newer parts of the syntax are very uninspired and it feels like the clever spark of creativity is gone. < 1773901793 172193 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Programs should refer to files by "ddnames" then the user should use a DD statement to connect a ddname with an actual file < 1773906101 657021 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1773906842 418572 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1773909726 904471 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BoxedLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177965&oldid=177964 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+106) 10/* Language overview */ > 1773910054 274011 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07S*bleq14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177966&oldid=164596 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+1) 10typo? < 1773913121 797569 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:d42c:a851:5541:9fa8 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1773917607 186484 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Widuruwana/MainPageModernization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177967&oldid=177639 5* 03Widuruwana 5* (-5858) 10Removing > 1773917644 479329 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Widuruwana/MainPageModernization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177968&oldid=177967 5* 03Widuruwana 5* (+5858) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/177967|177967]] by [[Special:Contributions/Widuruwana|Widuruwana]] ([[User talk:Widuruwana|talk]]) > 1773918326 180138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Widuruwana/MainPageModernization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177969&oldid=177968 5* 03Widuruwana 5* (-589) 10GruvBox Route > 1773918533 225318 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Widuruwana/MainPageModernization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177970&oldid=177969 5* 03Widuruwana 5* (-555) 10GruvBox is too colorful. Trying a computer modern aesthetic. > 1773919033 414842 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Widuruwana/MainPageModernization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177971&oldid=177970 5* 03Widuruwana 5* (+1444) 10Added citrus color palette to reflect the logo < 1773925356 47722 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you're not trying to break grep -H or head -v with multiple filenames, are you? > 1773926017 938578 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07C/Cb14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177972&oldid=177960 5* 03Mrmr2 5* (-246) 10Small update < 1773926898 570875 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic > 1773927818 385406 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Widuruwana/MainPageModernization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177973&oldid=177641 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+353) 10 > 1773927925 850045 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07C/Cb14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177974&oldid=177972 5* 03Mrmr2 5* (+198) 10/* Other */ added break and continue > 1773928014 679525 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07C/Cb14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177975&oldid=177974 5* 03Mrmr2 5* (+10) 10/* Break */ /* Continue */ Small visual change > 1773928250 615290 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177976&oldid=177884 5* 03Mrmr2 5* (+14) 10/* C */ added C/Cb > 1773928263 325934 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177977&oldid=177976 5* 03Mrmr2 5* (+0) 10/* C */ < 1773928553 14470 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1773929821 231299 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan JOIN #esolangs PoolloverNathan :nathan > 1773930547 644683 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07C/Cb14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177978&oldid=177975 5* 03Mrmr2 5* (+824) 10Added unary ops < 1773931275 450943 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PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07C/Cb14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177982&oldid=177978 5* 03Mrmr2 5* (+219) 10/* Composer Shortcuts */ Added more Composer Shortcuts > 1773939461 866062 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177983&oldid=177936 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (+0) 10 > 1773939534 874598 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177984&oldid=177983 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (+0) 10 > 1773940190 47616 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177985&oldid=177984 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (-2) 10 > 1773940238 296454 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177986&oldid=177985 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (+2) 10 > 1773941284 808724 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177987&oldid=177986 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (+308) 10 > 1773941511 902725 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh 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1773951996 664302 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/Live stats14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177991&oldid=169811 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+587) 10automatically calculate the dates for each percentile for the 32-bit signed unix death (did you know we're 82.61% of the way there? woohoo!) < 1773952763 694084 :amby!~ambylastn@host-92-17-36-146.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1773955411 418197 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths < 1773955436 340286 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1773956080 225310 :somefan!~fan0102@208.58.192.69 JOIN #esolangs * :fan0102 < 1773956103 302020 :somefan!~fan0102@208.58.192.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello < 1773956128 946488 :somefan!~fan0102@208.58.192.69 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1773956154 131817 :somefan!~fan0102@208.58.192.69 JOIN #esolangs * :fan0102 < 1773956176 240233 :somefan!~fan0102@208.58.192.69 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1773956231 568682 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :25 seconds, 22 seconds, will we see a third attempt? < 1773956389 418399 :somefan!~fan0102@208.58.192.69 JOIN #esolangs * :fan0102 < 1773956396 715853 :somefan!~fan0102@208.58.192.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1773956404 660628 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey < 1773956409 118035 :somefan!~fan0102@208.58.192.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello! < 1773956688 915543 :somefan!~fan0102@208.58.192.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :didn't know cycling through servers meant to constantly reconnect to them < 1773956698 397006 :somefan!~fan0102@208.58.192.69 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fyi, i'm using ircii < 1773956811 201472 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: FWIW, I implemented this thing from 5 months ago, https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-mam-critical.png in my 6 MAM setup but it's still failing to reach 200/s in 30 seconds. It's closer, it gets like 180/s, up from 165 or 170/s. (It's surprisingly hard to measure reliably.) < 1773956835 365646 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So. It helped, but arguably wasn't worth it :P < 1773957063 694843 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I should probably redesign the bottom part of my MAM, somehow, no idea what it would look like. But the distance travelled there is substantial.) < 1773957416 462043 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: wait, this is back to shapez 1 < 1773957436 373325 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Yes. It's a diversion :P < 1773957559 189843 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, you made a critical path shorter using long tunnel layout? < 1773957563 813934 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been playing shapez 2 too. My basic MAM is working: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-12-MAM.jpg (platforms repeat 5 times because shapes in this mode have 5 slices) ...thinking about crystals now. < 1773957582 688389 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the reduction is in having filters on both sides for the color selection < 1773957589 388651 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there were tunnels there regardless < 1773957607 245233 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tree-mam/#select is the old version < 1773957647 19123 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I also flipped the side where the supply side for the shapes) < 1773957653 807958 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what are the bright green horizontal lines in https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-12-MAM.jpg ? < 1773957657 204126 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Which was fun when I redid the belts) < 1773957699 241576 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: local signal transfers (used to cross over stuff) < 1773957710 525057 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1773957761 664270 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh, https://shapez2.wiki.gg/wiki/Wire#Wire_Transmitter_and_Receiver doesn't have pictures < 1773957817 855811 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wiring feels very different because it doesn't have a layer to itself. < 1773957833 14736 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you pretty much need stuff like this < 1773958132 932015 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :somefan: IRC is a tree with no cycles in, you can't ever be connected in two places at once by the nature of how it works < 1773958149 657961 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this sometimes causes "netsplits" when a link breaks and the servers aren't immediately able to compensate by creating a link elsewhere < 1773958189 104288 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it is possible to connect to Libera twice, but only if you use a different nick for each connection, and then both connections appear as users in the users list) > 1773959087 441060 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Codesh ()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=177992&oldid=177988 5* 03StavWasPlayZ 5* (+28) 10 < 1773960804 829302 :somefan!~fan0102@208.58.192.69 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1773961807 630816 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nick-colliding others through netsplits (generally to take over channels) was basically the national sport of IRCnet, before they did the timestamping thing. < 1773962115 146318 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1773962203 72845 :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1773962241 222404 :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs esolangs :esolangs.org < 1773962241 328689 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +v :esolangs < 1773962367 208669 :krychu_!~krychu@static.19.136.108.65.clients.your-server.de JOIN #esolangs * :krychu < 1773962376 854667 :krychu!~krychu@static.19.136.108.65.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1773962376 939605 :ursa-major!114efe6c39@2a03:6000:1812:100::11f3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1773962471 642121 :ursa-major!114efe6c39@2a03:6000:1812:100::11f3 JOIN #esolangs ursa-major :Bailey Bjornstad < 1773962970 830935 :ManDeJan!3da94070ba@user/mandejan QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1773963283 865273 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: wait, how would that work? if you take a colliding nick during a netsplit then the servers merge, won't the network decide which user has channel ops by inheriting it from the component of the network where that user was already connected, regardless the nicks? < 1773963376 20975 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in why do the nicks matter at all for this? < 1773963588 941129 :ManDeJan!3da94070ba@user/mandejan JOIN #esolangs ManDeJan :ManDeJan < 1773963962 26061 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :that'd be the timestamping thing I beileve, where the older channel wins during a merge < 1773963994 880001 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :or well older nick in this case I guess < 1773964044 324288 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm < 1773964082 799976 :somefan!~somefan@208.58.192.69 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1773964087 55181 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :right never mind me, now I see the question.. maybe due to service bots going by nickname though