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< 1776478995 880131 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does any roguelike game have commands for shoves, slams, grapples, etc?
< 1776481174 870135 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If I want to save the memory (including the stack and the full state of memory allocation) and CPU registers of a running program so that it can later be restored, can this be done, if this is known before the program is compiled? I specifically do not want to save or restore any threads, file descriptors, etc (anything that needs to be handled like that will be in a sepsrate process that doesn't need saved/restored).
< 1776482025 739173 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can this be done somehow using ptrace?
< 1776482178 772160 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and/or by using the /proc file system?)
< 1776482927 679841 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: yes, it can be done, if you're actually allowed to attach ptrace to the process, eg. it's not a setid program and ptrace isn't disabled globally. you do need the /proc file system to discover the mappings, so you know which areas in the process's virtual memory space to save.
< 1776483047 224370 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think usually the easiest way to do this is to let the kernel do it by making the process dump core with a signal. Raise the core dump size limit first using setrlimit. You'll have to make sure that the core dump file can actually be written so you have permission to the directory where it would be written, that directory is either the process's wd or some fixed directory configured at system level 
< 1776483053 231347 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :somewhere.
< 1776483190 334178 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there would be no need to save the contents of mapped read-only files (or of any parts of the executable file itself which are read-only), although it is necessary to know that they are mapped.
< 1776483312 976770 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :As I had mentioned above, the program to be saved and restored expects to be saved and restored, so I would expect that it would have permissions because it would be set up to do this
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< 1776483638 12540 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: yeah, but if the location depends on the working directory then the program would have to be careful in how it chdirs
< 1776483684 343404 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What other considerations are necessary? And, if you do it that way, how can it be restored?
< 1776483823 382381 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The program to be saved will need to tell the other process to save it, and will also need to have a way to indicate that it has just been restored, since it might e.g. redraw the screen)
< 1776484330 234242 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: do you want to be able to preempt the process at any point to freeze it, or will the process call a specific function when it wants to be freezed?
< 1776484352 432979 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :restoring is probably the harder part than saving
< 1776484485 153629 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The process will call a specific function when it wants to be freezed.
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< 1776485762 956104 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes this somewhat easier, because then you can skip restoring most of the registers. you don't have to save any registers that normal function calls can overwrite, and the function can save and restore most other registers itself.
< 1776485824 82928 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The stack would still need to be saved, and some registers also might need to be saved but I think which ones they are might depend on the computer?
< 1776486140 395943 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1776486266 83443 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you need to save registers that normally almost never change, like the per-thread variables pointer, and you may have to save some registers needed to bootstrap the function to a state where it can restore the rest of the registers from memory
< 1776486322 954091 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the stack can be saved basically the same way as other mapped memory segments, except there may be a special mmap option that you have to save together with all the other mmap and mprotect and similar settings
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