00:04:36 <Sgeo> Someone should make a GUI-centric OS where applications can have code that runs as soon as the application's icon is visible in the file browser.
00:05:12 <b_jonas> Sgeo: I think there are bugs in preview code like that
00:05:14 <Sgeo> It should run on computers with a CPU whose architecture will eventually be part of every mobile device
00:06:17 <b_jonas> so Webassembler?
00:06:26 <b_jonas> it's probably stuck in browsers for good
00:06:30 <Sgeo> RISC OS on ARM
00:06:33 <b_jonas> that plus javascript
00:07:07 <b_jonas> naah, the underlying CPU architecture gets changed every two decades. Javascript and webassemble are stuck for longer.
00:08:39 <Sgeo> https://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/common RISC OS style guide, the !Boot file
00:08:47 <Sgeo> "*Run by the Filer when it first displays the
00:08:47 <Sgeo> application directory"
00:09:56 <Sgeo> Actually RISC OS is... only running on obsolete ARM chips currently
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04:21:08 <zzo38> I had made up (but might change in future, if your comments are difference) a set of control characters for use in localized text for programs, which can be unofficially used with ISO 2022 (as a C1 set). Currently, the set of control codes is: Modifier Zero to Modifier Fifteen, Modifier Delimiter, Reset State, Select Field, Show Field, Field Width, Condition, Cancel Condition, Begin Auto, End Auto.
04:26:08 <zzo38> (maybe the names Begin Auto and End Auto are not very good; they are intended to be used for applying such things as pluralization, gender, etc to the contents of fields)
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05:24:58 <esolangs> [[StatiC]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180885&oldid=179366 * Squidmanescape * (+56) 
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06:15:08 <esolangs> [[StatiC]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180886&oldid=180885 * Squidmanescape * (-237) I realized auto existed in C due to its use in B. I thought there was a secret point to it, but that's only in specific compilers apparently.
06:30:19 <esolangs> [[Caca]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180887&oldid=180277 * Mari * (+23) Low-level
06:35:48 <esolangs> [[Caca]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180888&oldid=180887 * Mari * (+58) Category:Esolangs that start with C
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06:38:10 <esolangs> [[Category:Goto]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180889 * Mari * (+90) Created page with "Esolangs that use Goto (or Goto with a different name) as their only form of control flow."
06:38:37 <esolangs> [[User:Esolang lover123]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180890&oldid=179353 * PrySigneToFry * (+37) User passwords should not be displayed directly, otherwise they are likely to attract the attention of hackers and steal your account, causing your account to make destructive edits that you did not actually perform, which may result in a ban.
06:39:21 <esolangs> [[Caca]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180891&oldid=180888 * Mari * (-40) this wasnt discussed and is useless
06:44:27 <esolangs> [[Interpriterlol]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180892&oldid=178776 * Mari * (-6) move to currently extant category i guess
07:08:30 <esolangs> [[The Second Coming]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180893&oldid=180146 * PrySigneToFry * (+2846) 
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08:37:43 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180894&oldid=179481 * Squidmanescape * (+16) 
08:39:09 <esolangs> [[Supervised P with Printing]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180895&oldid=180685 * Squidmanescape * (+5) 
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10:54:27 <esolangs> [[]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180897&oldid=180896 * Cleverxia * (+296) /* Type 90 */
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12:07:31 <esolangs> [[]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180899&oldid=180897 * Cleverxia * (+167) /* Type 90 */
12:08:41 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180900&oldid=180899 * Cleverxia * (+5) /* Type 88 */
12:20:56 <fizzie> Ow, that's unfortunate, debian stable doesn't have gforth.
12:21:32 <fizzie> There's 0.7.3+dfsg-9+b3 in bookworm (oldstable) and 0.7.3+dfsg-10 in forky (testing), but nothing in trixie (stable).
12:24:07 <fizzie> Looks like it failed to build due to some libffi issues and got removed in 2024-04-20, and nobody got around to adding it back until 2026-03-16.
12:28:59 <b_jonas> fizzie: wait, does the HackEso infrastructure depend on this somehow?
12:32:44 <int-e> huh, I'd hope not
12:33:33 <int-e> It sounds more like it was installed in the sandbox so it's an obstacle to faithfully recreating the old environment.
12:35:51 <b_jonas> ah, perhaps one of the interps uses it
12:48:40 <fizzie> No, no, I just think a bot should have a Forth in it.
12:49:01 <fizzie> Not sure if one of the old EsoBot interps does, but I definitely added a `forth wrapper for it.
12:49:48 <fizzie> Anyway, the package from forky looks like it works in trixie too.
12:51:15 <shachaf> int-e: I finally got back to Stephen's Sausage Roll.
12:56:41 <shachaf> (Currently about 200 sausages in.)
12:57:09 <shachaf> Uh, sorry, not 200.
12:57:17 <shachaf> 139.
12:58:15 <int-e> Hmm, I don't remember how many there are. It's been a while.
13:01:01 <shachaf> I'm at the dead end.
13:02:56 <int-e> 215?
13:03:29 <int-e> [...] Jul 14 2020 1594686585_215_modular8a__island1.sav
13:03:41 <shachaf> I'm told it's 200ish.
13:04:12 <int-e> pretty sure the 215 is the score for that save file
13:04:45 <int-e> Also pretty sure that I completed all levels. But it has been 6 years as you can see :)
13:06:50 <int-e> Also, I didn't make it to the end in my first run in 2017; I got stuck at 174 then
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13:11:35 <fizzie> ^ It's not the real one.
13:11:52 <fizzie> This one has a basically empty /hackenv, just testing locally whether it even works at all.
13:11:57 <esolangs> [[User:B jonas]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180901&oldid=165103 * B jonas * (+24) /* Games that the esolangs community plays */ Stephen's Sausage Roll.
13:13:18 <fizzie> Could've gone better: > env: 'python': No such file or directory
13:13:41 <fizzie> Should probably find where that is and replace it with `python3`.
13:14:43 <shachaf> It's too bad the wiki announcements links don't work for logged-out users, and also don't say what the edited pge is.
13:15:40 <fizzie> They do say what the edited page is for the most part (it's the first bit in `[[]]`), it just has an overzealous ASCII-only filter which doesn't work well with many of our page names.
13:15:40 <shachaf> 141 now.
13:16:19 <shachaf> Oh, I see, that was a user page.
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13:21:54 <fizzie> I'll tweak that test version to only join #esolangs-blah, was just optimistic about it working out of the box.
13:22:16 <fizzie> Next up: TypeError: a bytes-like object is required, not 'str'
13:22:19 <fizzie> Which suggests that some part of it was actually running on Python 2, in the year 2026.
13:26:26 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Goto]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180902 * Ractangle * (+173) Created page with "this was not discussed~~~"
14:03:13 <esolangs> [[Talk:/\]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180903&oldid=178574 * Ractangle * (+174) 
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14:22:37 <fizzie> "umlbox: chdir cwd: No such file or directory"
14:22:48 <fizzie> I think that's from the umlbox init process, so that's I guess already kind of promising.
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16:17:51 <aadenboy> morning
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17:00:18 <ais523> afternoon aadenboy
17:17:30 <zzo38> (maybe Begin Auto and End Auto would not be needed because it can be done in other ways, but maybe what is missing is a way to make lists)
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17:55:37 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox/Comments]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180905&oldid=180292 * Ractangle * (-416) decided to kill "*python" since i havent even finished the language
18:00:46 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180906&oldid=179817 * Ractangle * (-10) /* Stuff */
18:06:03 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180907&oldid=180223 * Ractangle * (-177) 
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19:42:42 <shachaf> Did you see this erasure coding paper? Pretty neato: https://www.usenix.org/system/files/fast26-cheng.pdf
19:46:57 <korvo> Nice, thanks.
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20:14:48 <ais523> ah, this is about practical erasure coding rather than theoretical mathematical erasure coding
20:14:57 <ais523> for some reason I care about the theoretically pure versions more
20:57:33 <shachaf> Well, I think the thing it does is interesting.
20:58:15 <shachaf> Reconstructing a single lost chunk by reading less than the full amount of data.
20:59:25 <shachaf> That requires some mathematically interesting properties from the erasure code, I think.
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