< 1778630404 247840 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs :re. ssll, I think some creators of 'good' languages felt slighted that their jokes were not being acknowledged? I think some of the most interesting language are doign something 'funny', but legitimately interesting too < 1778630488 91913 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a spectrum. Even on the most serious end, proglangs usually have silly punny names; the popular languages are e.g. Python, C, Java, C♯, which have interesting stories behind them. I generally hold off on documenting/implementing a language until I have a good name. < 1778630554 771799 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, it's speedrunning time. Have a good night, y'all. < 1778630561 83110 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs :g'night < 1778630592 354704 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: there's a genuine field of study of esolangs as art – this isn't the way I primarily view them but some people do < 1778630603 657547 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but it's different from studying esolang *specifications* as art) < 1778630639 373558 :msv!~msv@user/msv QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1778630962 809024 :Guest12!~Guest12@2001:4450:494c:3700:a562:6cff:27e1:748d PART :#esolangs < 1778631047 875352 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs :having a clear ontology of concepts would help, I feel like I've only just understood that some users are really only interested in creating specifications, whereas I'd been linking the specs and language because I'm not sure how to unlink them. Computation model and language also gets tricky, TWM and Minsky machines come to mind as difficult to pigeon hole < 1778631158 647325 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :IMO there's a clear distinction between a specification (which exists as a method of communication, to convey your notion of how a language works to other people), and something that is designed to resemble a specification but isn't linked to a language (which exists basically because language specifications can be an art form but the language actually existing isn't necessarily an essential part of the art) < 1778631435 660741 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, so it's something taking the _form_ of a language specification, without necessary functioning as one, or that being the primary purpose < 1778631730 26948 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1778631739 97540 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::( < 1778631797 44178 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs ::( ? > 1778631811 601928 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=182005&oldid=182004 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+398) 10 < 1778632325 455264 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't quite get that last comment on the page then, creating languages from scratch _is_ allowed. Seems likre there's some confusion about what we are talking about. Creating the page before the language exists at any level is the problem > 1778632409 738369 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=182006&oldid=181873 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+0) 10 < 1778632413 220806 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe there is a legitimate confustion about what a language is? Maybe there's a view that all you need is a name, then a 'spec'. The name is enough to create a page, then the spec is jsut what gets written on the page? < 1778632468 842695 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs :too many typos sorry, I need to go get food to focus! < 1778632546 622779 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs should be educational too, if there's a way to communicate some of this better, we'd all likely benefit < 1778632759 27144 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one reason I don't like the user-edited languages is that they typically don't have any sort of plan to create a command set that could be used for programming with < 1778632808 575377 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :when I create a language based on a set of commands, I am typically looking for a set that's sufficient to accomplish the goal I had for the language but without anything that's unnecessary towards that goal < 1778633430 865199 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, devil's advocate. the page for efghij specifically claims that users can define additions. would you want to delete that page? < 1778633484 784576 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: no because it's already a usable language < 1778633514 21410 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the reason to delete user-edited pages is because they don't tend to lead to usable languages, if something already is a usable language that reason doesn't apply < 1778633662 776169 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :good < 1778635827 32387 :amby!~ambylastn@79-77-115-17.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement > 1778635940 319352 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=182007&oldid=182005 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+215) 10/* How would "esolanging" work after this? */ > 1778636952 209241 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Infinite commands???14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=182008&oldid=173585 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+12) 10/* Interpreter */ > 1778637666 953263 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Windy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=182009&oldid=180650 5* 03Sisobus 5* (+35) 10change github repo path < 1778638249 60928 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs :focusing back on behaviour rather than content: would restricting new user accounts to 5 edits a day (use them wisely!), then unlimited after some period of time solve all the practical problems at a system level? < 1778638262 405332 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd hate to resonisbile for some rigid rule that deleted efghij because I can't communicate clearly. The community has a bunch of unwritten rules that we've all broken with a wink and a nod. To clarify them has me worrying about ontologies and definitions, and zen-like "the page is a finger pointing at the moon, not the moon" koans, when ppl who likely need this level of specific guidance don't care. < 1778638425 163070 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure an edits/day restriction would have the intended effect, except to make reviewing pages easier < 1778638560 931468 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it'd reduce the sustained adrenaline rush or whatever fuels the excitement of an endless blank canvas of a permissive fully open wiki, and enforce more thoughtful edits since they are a limited resource < 1778638823 477450 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs :break the payoff and engagement loop, by altering the game design and reward more thoughtful play styles < 1778638950 403935 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"make reviewing pages easier" is a pretty decent goal, and there were 'broken windows' complaints brought up on IRC and the recent talk page where Randomm page and recent edits can look like 100% low quality. A slowdown would allow other content to shine through < 1778638965 948914 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs :... just a though, slightly outside the box < 1778638969 627070 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thought < 1778639076 605622 :Guest12!~Guest12@2001:4450:494c:3700:a562:6cff:27e1:748d JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest12 < 1778639293 567727 :Guest12!~Guest12@2001:4450:494c:3700:a562:6cff:27e1:748d QUIT :Client Quit < 1778640708 471110 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think limiting edits per day would help much, unless it's extreme, like no edits at all other than the Intro page until your account is two months old < 1778642312 853090 :pool!~nathan@user/PoolloverNathan QUIT :Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat > 1778642392 94071 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=182010&oldid=182007 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+1612) 10/* Collaborative languages */ simple requirement: main subject space pages be 'articles' about the named topic < 1778643110 623740 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.98.104.53 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1778645037 768334 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Monte14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=182011&oldid=174165 5* 03Corbin 5* (+402) 10Explain the name pun. > 1778645105 99689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Monte14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=182012&oldid=182011 5* 03Corbin 5* (+32) 10Add section for references. < 1778648089 956759 :msv!~msv@user/msv JOIN #esolangs msv :msv > 1778652215 218604 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=182013&oldid=182010 5* 03Olus2000 5* (+526) 10/* Pages that are themselves art */ deleting is fine, rewriting is effort > 1778652693 215149 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03CTFFuck2 Developer 5* 10New user account > 1778652882 366988 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=182014&oldid=181957 5* 03CTFFuck2 Developer 5* (+138) 10/* Introductions */ > 1778652974 369875 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=182015&oldid=182014 5* 03CTFFuck2 Developer 5* (+113) 10/* Introductions */ < 1778654587 515863 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1778655020 191449 :DOS_User_webchat!~DOS_User_@user/DOS-User:11249 JOIN #esolangs DOS_User :[https://web.libera.chat] DOS_User_webchat < 1778655905 766371 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1778655911 440600 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=182016&oldid=182015 5* 03CTFFuck2 Developer 5* (+0) 10/* Introductions */ > 1778656324 898542 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CTFFuck214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=182017 5* 03CTFFuck2 Developer 5* (+770) 10Created page with "CTFFuck2 is a circular-buffer and linear-memory-based language. ==Syntax== CTFFuck2 interpreter will automatically skip any non-decimal characters, which means you can simply write as many comments as you want(Though we suggest that you should format it firs < 1778656512 606560 :DOS_User_webchat!~DOS_User_@user/DOS-User:11249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds