< 1783730739 167813 :FreeFull!~freefull@79.186.65.173.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 271 seconds < 1783746462 603997 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest32 < 1783746494 735910 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maaaaaaaaaaaan I've been trying to write even a simple non-trivial script in my esolang for over a YEAR lol < 1783746504 863275 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's definitely possible but HARD < 1783746569 376962 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can post the article about the lang, but feel that a sample script of something small but non-trivial would be greatly useful to get a good feel for it > 1783746893 775354 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[077 heptits, 49 heptytes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185311&oldid=185297 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+185) 10 > 1783747212 566037 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk: ~\\ ^\14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=185312 5* 03Meh2 5* (+74) 10s < 1783749738 832566 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know that feeling. < 1783749923 321871 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Frankly, even writing a compiler for my lang would be an absolute nightmare. < 1783749993 981610 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Happens. Don't get angry at yourself, though. < 1783750158 404644 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Angry?  Nawh.  I designed this to be hard hahaha < 1783750187 853340 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Buuut on the other hand, having an example would be *useful* < 1783751612 604633 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1783753487 606091 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1783758321 62266 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc82625-woki8-2-0-cust926.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs DHeadshot :Deadly Headshot > 1783758934 93702 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Polynomix/Symbols14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185313&oldid=185187 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+369) 10 < 1783760593 86710 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1783760826 769296 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1783761372 706500 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Imsohappisy 5* 10New user account < 1783761961 895604 :ski!~ski@31-208-31-155.cust.bredband2.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds > 1783762204 919284 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185314&oldid=185301 5* 03Imsohappisy 5* (+75) 10/* Introductions */ > 1783762232 342474 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185315&oldid=185314 5* 03Imsohappisy 5* (+80) 10/* Introductions */ < 1783762372 49852 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1783762550 31422 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1783763399 204652 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1783763512 881158 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1783763767 495713 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi < 1783765026 215993 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc82625-woki8-2-0-cust926.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1783766650 187759 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jeomlang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=185316 5* 03Imsohappisy 5* (+2561) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=JeomLang |author=minirang |year=[[:Category:2026|2026]] |implementation=[https://github.com GitHub] |majorimpl=[https://github.com JeomLang Engine] |typing=Dynamic |paradigm=Imperative, Functional |class=[[:Category:Turing-complete|Turing > 1783767757 358529 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[073 pentits, 25 pentytes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185317&oldid=185285 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+29) 10Add my assembly-like programming language with worst codepage ever to this page < 1783767988 37188 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1783768257 625995 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jeomlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185318&oldid=185316 5* 03RaiseAfloppaFan3925 5* (-2) 10categorization, btw there is no "Esoteric programming languages" category because this wiki is exclusively for them > 1783768385 339189 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jeomlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185319&oldid=185318 5* 03RaiseAfloppaFan3925 5* (+18) 10also wrong lin < 1783769679 89286 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1783769687 208839 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 249 seconds < 1783769848 930199 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1783770273 224013 :ski!~ski@31-208-30-136.cust.bredband2.com JOIN #esolangs ski :Stefan Ljungstrand > 1783770317 566149 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=185320 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+7938) 10Created page with "Yet another programming language inspired from [[]] and [[XENBLN]] designed by PSTF. Since there are way more Chinese characters than Latin letters, Greek letters, Bengali numbers, and a bunch of other special symbols combined, we decided to base this programming langua > 1783770376 917309 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185321&oldid=185298 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+10) 10 > 1783770734 500629 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[078ial14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185322&oldid=185022 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-8) 10/* A+B problem */ > 1783770875 490110 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Crazy J14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185323&oldid=184922 5* 03Bobby Jacobs 5* (+2) 10Make S expressions match. > 1783771208 959983 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[078ial14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185324&oldid=185322 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-48) 10 > 1783771388 414393 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185325&oldid=185300 5* 03Bobby Jacobs 5* (+2) 10 > 1783777247 746151 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wattslang++14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=185326 5* 03LilamJazeefa 5* (+5918) 10Created page with "Wattslang++ is a programming language which evolved from the Wattslang conlang, submitted to the Cursed Conlang Circus 4. It is a tape-based, non-determinative language in which instructions are written as words and interpreted based on how the binary represen < 1783777635 107075 :FreeFull!~freefull@79.186.57.169.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull < 1783778249 894067 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@2.132.204.37.dynamic.telecom.kz JOIN #esolangs * :dragoneater67 < 1783778317 977354 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@2.132.204.37.dynamic.telecom.kz CHGHOST ~dragoneat :user/dragoneater67 < 1783778322 547438 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi guys < 1783778324 438693 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im back < 1783778738 606205 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest32 < 1783778875 833563 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi Guest32 < 1783778928 546603 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oyye. < 1783778943 303028 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :FINALLY built up the courage to actually *post* the language lol < 1783778953 832633 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :CONGRATULATIONS < 1783778961 912266 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :No sample program, but I am not sure if I personally will be even ABLE to hahaha < 1783779034 602029 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can you sedn link < 1783779036 883118 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :send* < 1783779109 592257 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nvm < 1783779109 764154 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Wattslang%2B%2B < 1783779112 546277 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh lol < 1783779113 100403 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i found it myself > 1783779136 345758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Polynomix/Symbols14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185327&oldid=185313 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+422) 10 < 1783779154 999102 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think im gonna do some minor edits to the page as it may have issues < 1783779175 473764 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure!  Yeah I have no idea if I formatted or explained it well < 1783779191 115164 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tried to use other recent pages as a sorta' basis point for comparison < 1783779310 751515 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :holy double spaces < 1783779402 892635 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh.  Yeah, sorry, I'm old lol.  Learned to type on a type writer < 1783779444 750439 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :typewriter?? < 1783779447 331285 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats cool < 1783779457 906016 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks hehee > 1783779774 205607 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wattslang++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185328&oldid=185326 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+212) 10add categories & links > 1783779850 80985 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wattslang++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185329&oldid=185328 5* 03LilamJazeefa 5* (-1) 10 < 1783779864 179904 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Eyyy that's more better! > 1783779930 934896 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wattslang++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185330&oldid=185329 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (-2) 10 < 1783780363 524287 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a small dictionary for the language (yeah it's kinda' necessary for sanity when programming), but don't know if I should make reference to it. < 1783780448 465080 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you probably should reference it < 1783781437 743805 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1783781450 112421 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi tromp > 1783781495 610974 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wattslang++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185331&oldid=185330 5* 03LilamJazeefa 5* (+654) 10 < 1783782708 933280 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi, dragoneater67 > 1783783076 445832 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(3+!+)%!+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185332&oldid=179068 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (-9) 10 > 1783783180 358005 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07(3+!+)%!+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185333&oldid=185332 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+52) 10 < 1783783289 575304 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just realized < 1783783292 911548 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :technically < 1783783302 58548 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can simulate a stack using brainfuck brackets < 1783783318 224568 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh god < 1783783329 447424 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway < 1783783331 240482 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so basically < 1783783331 505235 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :aye? < 1783783371 393033 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :[ is like pushing to a stack < 1783783381 198490 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and ] is like popping from a stack < 1783783708 775975 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually, disregard that < 1783783712 997125 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i didnt think it through < 1783785280 4260 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1783785779 723170 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm.... the wiki is now giving a 504 error < 1783785785 104660 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :my internet is generally fine < 1783785791 546678 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it appears to be the site itself < 1783785899 822818 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :happens a lot sadly; it's a small server, mediawiki has some expensive pages, and web crawlers are a menace < 1783785942 687295 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahh I see < 1783786023 375718 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure whether fizzie is around to check whether it's something blockable < 1783787732 134517 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1783787775 529142 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1783787789 733972 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 QUIT :Client Quit < 1783787879 826797 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen < 1783789513 780943 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll have a look when I get up, but I imagine it's just the same 5pm traffic spike again, they've maybe just hit a different type of expensive page that's not on the logged-in-only list (yet). < 1783789539 792837 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :@metar EGLL < 1783789540 144140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Request failed. < 1783789551 350685 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1783789568 630433 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@metar EGLL < 1783789569 364054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :METAR EGLL 111650Z AUTO 07010KT 030V110 9999 NCD 29/11 Q1020 < 1783789571 389467 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1783789590 513893 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :No clue what that's about. < 1783789619 759599 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Shrug. Well, the point is, this flat is just barely survivable at these (sustained) temperatures. < 1783789678 878789 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: yeah no pressure < 1783789738 513275 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: For some reason they don't really believe in air conditioning here! < 1783789763 509618 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dragoneater67: [[rail (data structure)]] is the right way to simulate a stack in brainfuck. < 1783789767 678201 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: well you'd have to admit that climate change is real < 1783789801 140689 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also I saw this the other day and didn't like it: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co2-heating-cooling < 1783789858 222833 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(not just real, but bad enough to change peak temperature of summer in "our" moderate climates) < 1783790125 466352 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1783790337 255813 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well. At least the all-time lines at https://grid.iamkate.com/ are going in the right direction. They could move a little faster though. < 1783790616 57919 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :AIUI they have a 2030 95% "low-carbon" source energy production target here, but there's some question about whether that's actually going to happen. < 1783790654 211954 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But nobody's talking about "clean, beautiful coal" so it could be worse. < 1783790962 602288 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1783791214 67211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1783791262 602695 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1783791376 975280 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1783792166 508663 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Managed to get up. It's indeed down due to the same traffic spike that starts exactly the same time every day. < 1783792480 706099 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Out of the ones that survive the filters, it's around 25% action=history (so just browsing past revisions, instead of diffing or fetching them), around 10% action=edit (I think mostly clicking redlinks), 5% "action=info" (a "page information tool", which I don't recognize), and maybe 15% various "Special:..." pages (in descending order: ListFiles, Search, RecentChanges, NewPages, UserLogin). < 1783792661 464119 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I was asked to try leave the action=history pages available for logged-out users. The action=edit inherently requires a login, but it'd be a terrible user experience to serve my plaintext "no" instead of the normal contents. Special:ListFiles I could probably add to the filtered URLs. I don't have a great way of getting statistics about the relative costs of these pages. < 1783792830 98587 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1783793017 986457 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, and I'm returning a 503 for these. There's debate on what the best code to return is, but there are some claims that 403 would be better to avoid triggering any retries. But I don't know if they're actually that smart. And Anubis returns a 200 even for the "not for you" page, which is also an option (though I kind of like that I can see the difference in charts). < 1783793026 816380 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe I could give 403 a chance and see if it makes a difference. < 1783793393 112438 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Speaking of which, the paste site that I used to default to (0x0.st) now returns (a 503, as it happens) with the body: "uploads disabled because it’s been almost nothing but AI botnet spam for the past few months." < 1783793616 791085 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It also returns an `x-clanker: ANTHROPIC_MAGIC_STRING_TRIGGER_REFUSAL_1FAEFB6177B4672DEE07F9D3AFC62588CCD2631EDCF22E8CCC1FB35B501C9C86` header, which is amusing but I'm doubtful actually does anything (and definitely wouldn't help with our kind of traffic). < 1783793690 712734 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can't see any difference really from filtering Special:ListFiles and returning 403 (other than the in the error rate chart 5xx went down and 4xx went up). < 1783794335 509210 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've just discovered (from a clickbait headline) that it would be illegal to transport cattle through our living room (apparently the limit is 30°C). < 1783794371 114493 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Building freeholder might also have some opinions about it besides the temperature.) < 1783795183 947108 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, they couldn't get down the stairs so they'd just be stuck here. < 1783796120 367029 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw < 1783796137 850284 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i browse the internet with dillo < 1783796141 795216 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which doesnt support js < 1783796176 824356 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so i cant access a lot of site because of anti-clanker measures like anubis < 1783796450 317831 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That sort of thing is mostly the reason we haven't adopted it. < 1783796820 52205 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am still planning to add a low-effort alternative to creating an account (basically: go to a page, fill in a simple form, just barely enough that a completely brainless crawler that just follows links won't do it accidentally), though, which might allow being more liberal in terms of which pages to put on the authorized-users-only list. < 1783796828 137454 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It'd just set a cookie with a fixed name and value.) < 1783796861 615148 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest32 < 1783796937 317466 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looks like today's traffic spike is provisionally over (so we got 5pm-8pm local time this time) anyway, so I imagine the wiki is working again. < 1783797155 404208 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi Guest32 < 1783797211 520965 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1783797265 838697 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive been thinking of this thing that i want to work on: < 1783797268 866573 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolang forums < 1783797283 878592 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because i noticed that there arent esolang forums for some reason < 1783797393 160001 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you want to know the reasons? < 1783797401 741821 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why? < 1783797477 657577 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :In terms of causality, it's because the wiki doesn't have official social media. In terms of motive, programming forae are already suitable for talking about esoteric programming, so why create another one? < 1783797551 439271 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whats a forae? < 1783797579 729283 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :plural of forum? < 1783797601 822308 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a bunch of links to other communities listed at [[esolang:community portal]]. There's also some unassociated link aggregators, from news.ycombinator.com (warning: alt-right Nazi bar) to lobste.rs, there's multiple subreddits like /r/programminglanguages and /r/esolangs < 1783797625 237469 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea < 1783797627 740927 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :reddit exists < 1783797643 647884 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a Lemmy topic at programming.dev/c/esolangs too. < 1783797669 395593 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There was also a honest-to-w/e forum, run by "us" (as in, loosely associated with the wiki), but it just got infested by spam. It's still archived at https://esolangs.org/forum/ though. < 1783797691 309698 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so there WAS esolang forum! < 1783797707 366568 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't remember if Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download got its name from forum spam or some other kind of spam. < 1783797725 140408 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths < 1783797731 236582 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi lisbeths < 1783797745 407638 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: huh. I always assumed it must have been wiki spam < 1783797753 614914 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Could be. < 1783797792 144729 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whats "Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download"???? < 1783797792 237187 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm also still a little embarrassed how long it took me to realize the movie isn't about a particularly snappy hairdresser called Real Fast Nora. < 1783797803 709698 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's an esolang, you can find it on the wiki. < 1783797817 583841 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway < 1783797821 293319 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was a real good < 1783797822 792303 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :day < 1783797829 156339 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wish everyone good night < 1783797830 272487 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :byee < 1783797830 873418 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think the content has any real connection to the name. < 1783797835 837049 :dragoneater67!~dragoneat@user/dragoneater67 QUIT :Quit: zzz < 1783797959 691946 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The (case-insensitive) string "nora" doesn't show up in my mirror of the forum, so I guess it wasn't from there. < 1783797980 896388 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do vaguely recall we got some actual wiki spam at some point too, so you're probably right. < 1783798060 413893 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: hmm, it may have been entirely fictitious? https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2012-03-23.html#lio < 1783798125 320046 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, the movie is real, but the spam part I'm not sure about now. < 1783798220 17686 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is like finding out Santa isn't real. < 1783798264 837653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm amazed that not all the links are dead < 1783798286 717075 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the blogspot image link still works) < 1783798676 551271 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: what I was told is that the page with that title was created on the wiki as spam, but someone figured the title was so good that instead of just deleting the page it should be used as a page to document an esolang < 1783798701 582712 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeha, it's possible that that's just a myth < 1783798705 461360 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I checked the page history and the story doesn't pan out that way < 1783798721 220923 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: but it is possible that it was deleted and recreated, I suppose. < 1783798722 363639 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: the spam may have been revision deleted < 1783798740 594491 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or that < 1783798912 611464 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1783799033 405535 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I just feel that if this was an existing page that fact would've made it into the IRC logs around that time and it didn't. < 1783799056 537456 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway. There was no wiki announcer bot so I don't know. < 1783799283 238280 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :WP says that the third entry in the Nora's Hair Salon franchise is called "Nora's Hair Salon 3: The Cutting Edge". Unsourced. I think that there have only been two Nora's Hair Salon films. < 1783799343 799653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wdym... https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1714080/ < 1783799406 969869 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh wow, TIL. There's an opportunity here for anybody who wants to edit English WP. < 1783799509 47416 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe it's one of these esolangs published in the traditional publishing system where they had to make a separate contract in North America and outside, and one of the publishers forced them to change the title, so now the esolang has two different names across the pond < 1783799715 731431 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :all mentions of "nora's hair salon" and "cutting edge" in tandem that I can fine are copies of the WP article. lovely < 1783800575 83759 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :cu < 1783800813 953422 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1783800954 941764 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CollaborativePL/Operators14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=185334 5* 03LEOMOK 5* (+1386) 10Created page > 1783800978 589582 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CollaborativePL/Operators14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185335&oldid=185334 5* 03LEOMOK 5* (+20) 10Fixed blank lines > 1783800985 16941 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CollaborativePL/Operators14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185336&oldid=185335 5* 03LEOMOK 5* (+4) 10 < 1783801565 743687 :FreeFull!~freefull@79.186.57.169.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl QUIT : < 1783802425 931348 :FreeFull!~freefull@79.186.57.169.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull < 1783804298 779879 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1783804345 878420 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :re: Real Fast Nora's, there was a spam page there – go to "history" and then "View logs for this page" and you'll see the spam getting deleted < 1783804361 578156 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it looks like the spam page was deleted, then the esolang created at the same title < 1783804431 605522 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in general, checking the logs is a good idea whenever you're curious about potentially weird things that may have happened to a page < 1783804461 838893 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't remember whether it's possible for an admin to hide what they're up to from the logs, but I have no reason to, so anything I do admin-wise is going to show up there < 1783804505 165330 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case, the wiki used to get a very large amount of spam < 1783804524 205562 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for a long time basically all my adminning was just cleaning up spam (the spam problem may potentially have been why I was made an admin in the first place?) < 1783804538 517742 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then we added the abusefilter extension and it stopped a lot of spambots < 1783804588 305719 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then we added the Introduce yourself thing and it has been extremely effective at stopping spambots (my theory is that existing mediawiki spambot frameworks are just designed to solve captchas in the expected place and not "please edit this page") < 1783804715 877737 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :re: the forum, it never really caught on, there was a mailing list and then the wiki < 1783804740 896848 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but I was never involved in the mailing list) < 1783804751 517699 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the forum did exist but wasn't really used by anyone < 1783804819 474614 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess there was a wave and the sheer disaster movie wasn't mentioned at the time. https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2011-05-26.html#lZ < 1783804822 476036 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: thanks < 1783805024 153422 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm also embarrassed at how often I've seen that movie title here without seeing the pun.) < 1783805082 278554 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was subscribed to the mailing list but I don't think I posted on it, except perhaps something about Befunge. < 1783805136 309030 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There was also the Esoteric File Archive that went nowhere. < 1783805215 182078 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Other than eventually a rarely changed repo on GitHub owned by graue.) < 1783805359 268947 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:249a:c4ea:c3aa:9506 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1783805484 374584 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1783805707 958129 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe I should contribute there more but I have my own website now < 1783805756 54325 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it used to be good for hosting esolang implementations if you had nowhere to host them yourself < 1783805773 805528 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used to use pastebins for that sometimes, but they had a tendency to drop off the Internet eventually < 1783805893 965535 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: vague curiosity with the traffic spike: does the 5pm seem to obey summertime / daylight saving time changes relative to UTC? if so, the timing might give away which country it's coming from < 1783805966 538256 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :As I recall it only started being that regular when we were already on BST. But I guess we'll see in the autumn, assuming it keeps going on. < 1783806010 528351 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I only keep metrics for 14 days so can't really verify that.) < 1783806600 138261 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths < 1783808331 621104 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic > 1783808661 493645 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Simple-octal14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=185337 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+2128) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}} simple-octal is a simple assembly-like language made to be easy to simulate and use, and it is currently at v1 == goals == * easy to code a simulator for * easy to write in * use octal == character set (00xx) == 01234567 0x01234567 1x89abcde > 1783809013 620574 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Simple-octal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185338&oldid=185337 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+273) 10 > 1783809846 44934 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185339&oldid=185254 5* 03Ais523 5* (+441) 10/* Another genuine question */ we haven't had many issues with main page vandalism, and people who try it could just be banned instead < 1783811054 234751 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What is the algorithm to keep, for each bit of X, only the bits of Y that are the highest bit not higher than the corresponding bit of X, which is set, and clear the other bits? < 1783811089 616968 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Is there a way without making a loop to check each bit separately?) < 1783811215 949073 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so basically, the return value has a 0 at bit positions where Y has a 0, and if Y has a 1, the return value is 1 if the next-higher bit that's 1 in either value is in X or both, and 0 if the next-higher bit that's 1 in either value is in Y or nonexistent < 1783812632 603058 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest32 > 1783812707 121334 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wattslang++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185340&oldid=185331 5* 03LilamJazeefa 5* (+45) 10 > 1783812820 878695 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wattslang++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=185341&oldid=185340 5* 03LilamJazeefa 5* (+24) 10 < 1783812991 512137 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: isn't that just something like shift right by 1? < 1783813071 257361 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think so < 1783813083 143996 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this does seem like the sort of thing that's usually possible with bit hacks, though < 1783813762 603625 :Guest32!~Guest32@pool-173-56-57-235.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1783814005 771217 :somefan!~somefan@user/somefan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer