00:04:45 <esolangs> [[Whizz]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186616&oldid=186615 * Splot-dev * (+91) Added categories
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00:21:35 <esolangs> [[3 triquinquagits, 148877 triquinquagytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186617&oldid=186611 * Corbin * (+29) Tag slop. Thank you for being honest.
00:22:34 <esolangs> [[9 trits, 19683 trytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186618&oldid=186523 * Corbin * (+29) Tag slop.
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00:26:04 <esolangs> [[3 enneadecits, 6859 enneadecytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186620&oldid=186525 * Corbin * (+29) Tag slop.
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00:26:39 <esolangs> [[19 edons, 19 octons]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186621&oldid=186526 * Corbin * (+29)
00:27:03 <esolangs> [[31 edons, 31 octons]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186622&oldid=186527 * Corbin * (+29) Tag slop.
00:28:11 <korvo> Miui is not making constructive edits.
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01:40:54 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Main Page/Drafts/eudceit:african numerals]]": clearly created in the wrong namespace, and blanked by the author
01:44:18 <esolangs> [[Very-simple]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186627 * Esolang lover123 * (+1840) brainfuck 2: electric boogaloo
01:45:01 <esolangs> [[Talk: Meaoiu]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186628&oldid=186558 * PrySigneToFry * (+628)
01:47:50 <esolangs> [[Talk:MSS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186629&oldid=186550 * PrySigneToFry * (+20) /* Hmm... */ new section
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02:33:34 <esolangs> [[User:Im bad at naming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186632&oldid=186631 * Im bad at naming * (-107) /* Thoughts */
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02:45:06 <esolangs> [[User:Enny/ENNCPU]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186634&oldid=186633 * Enny * (-5)
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02:54:47 <esolangs> [[Aheui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186636&oldid=138984 * Miui * (+77) /* External resources */ Aheui interpreter in typescript.
02:55:39 <esolangs> [[Piet]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186637&oldid=171910 * Markjreed * (+146) Correct direction of hue cycle (right, not left)
02:55:42 <esolangs> [[Aheui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186638&oldid=186636 * Miui * (+7) /* External resources */
02:57:14 <esolangs> [[Aheui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186639&oldid=186638 * Miui * (+110) /* Project Euler */ Problem 7
03:34:05 <esolangs> [[User:Im bad at naming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186640&oldid=186632 * Im bad at naming * (+6137) /* Thoughts */
03:39:45 <esolangs> [[User:Im bad at naming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186641&oldid=186640 * Im bad at naming * (-501) /* Thoughts */
03:48:15 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186642&oldid=186599 * Miui * (+69)
03:48:37 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186643&oldid=186642 * Miui * (+4)
03:59:47 <esolangs> [[Yggdraphyll]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186644&oldid=182514 * Miui * (+0) /* Pitfalls, implementations e.t.c. */ nonplural change verb to assemble
04:00:24 <esolangs> [[Yggdraphyll]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186645&oldid=186644 * Miui * (-529) /* Implementation */ remove definite lie
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04:18:37 <esolangs> [[Choropleth/]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186646 * Miui * (+260) trying to phrase this concept/related pages
04:20:16 <esolangs> [[Choropleth]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186647&oldid=161601 * Miui * (+458)
04:21:05 <esolangs> [[Choropleth]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186648&oldid=186647 * Miui * (+26) /* Codepage */
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04:38:19 <esolangs> [[Piet]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186649&oldid=186637 * Aadenboy * (+361) /* Colorful */ contrast text
05:13:34 <esolangs> [[User:Im bad at naming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186650&oldid=186641 * Im bad at naming * (-5636) /* Thoughts */
05:25:57 <esolangs> [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186651&oldid=186625 * Miui * (+624) /* Structure */ add chorus
05:27:37 <esolangs> [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186652&oldid=186651 * Miui * (+15) /* Interpreter */
05:28:39 <esolangs> [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186653&oldid=186652 * Miui * (+24) /* Structure */
05:31:28 <esolangs> [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186654&oldid=186653 * Miui * (+1007)
05:32:45 <esolangs> [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186655&oldid=186654 * Miui * (-5)
05:35:22 <esolangs> [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186656&oldid=186655 * Miui * (+373) /* Hello, World! */
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06:28:21 <esolangs> [[Very-simple]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186657&oldid=186627 * Esolang lover123 * (+12) extras
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06:48:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:6 trits, 243 trytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186658&oldid=167269 * Miui * (+117)
06:55:59 <esolangs> [[Talk:6 trits, 243 trytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186659&oldid=186658 * Miui * (+8) clarify for nonenglish
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07:11:12 <esolangs> [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186660 * Miui * (+632) Created page with "{{Stub}} '''The 1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78''' is an esoteric [[abstract model]] based on an [[19 octons, 19 edons]] totality and [[6 trits, 243 tryes]] system architecture. = Thesis = The 1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78 is considered an excellent torqu
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07:11:47 <esolangs> [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186661&oldid=186660 * Miui * (+1) /* Thesis */ by
07:12:38 <esolangs> [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186662&oldid=186661 * Miui * (-6)
07:14:51 <esolangs> [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186663&oldid=186662 * Miui * (+23)
07:23:32 <esolangs> [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186664&oldid=186663 * Miui * (+12)
07:25:58 <esolangs> [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186665&oldid=186664 * Miui * (+64)
07:29:02 <esolangs> [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186666&oldid=186665 * Miui * (+223) /* Proof */
07:29:18 <esolangs> [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186667&oldid=186666 * Miui * (+3) /* Proof */
07:29:32 <esolangs> [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186668&oldid=186667 * Miui * (+0) /* Proof */
07:35:35 <esolangs> [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186669&oldid=186668 * Miui * (-264) /* Proof */
07:37:54 <esolangs> [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186670&oldid=186669 * Miui * (+6) /* Proof */ casual tone
07:38:29 <esolangs> [[Talk:6 trits, 243 trytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186671&oldid=186659 * Miui * (+8) link explanation
07:40:34 <esolangs> [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186672&oldid=186670 * Miui * (+77) /* Proof */
07:45:05 <esolangs> [[Functionable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186673&oldid=179123 * PKMN Trainer * (+18) /* Syntax */
07:46:33 <esolangs> [[User talk:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186674&oldid=186557 * Miui * (-56)
08:05:22 <esolangs> [[Haltloop]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186675 * Esolang lover123 * (+389) wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good
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09:56:03 <esolangs> [[Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186676&oldid=186581 * Blashyrkh * (-3) /* Table of combinators */ Shorter Seagull (20 > 19). It was known to me as revS
10:26:51 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck extended]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186677&oldid=174993 * PKMN Trainer * (+39) /* XKCD Random Number */
11:00:20 <esolangs> [[Trigfunge]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186678 * None1 * (+1231) Created page with "'''Trigfunge''' is a [[fungeoid]] invented by [[User:None1]] that uses a [[queue]] instead of a [[stack]] and uses trigonometric functions to manipulate data. ==Memory== Trigfunge uses a ''queue'' which stores unbounded floats with infinite precision. ==Commands== * <co
11:01:16 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186679&oldid=186325 * None1 * (+16) /* T */
11:07:49 <esolangs> [[Trigfunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186680&oldid=186678 * None1 * (+25)
11:08:02 <esolangs> [[Trigbf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186681&oldid=161235 * None1 * (+29)
11:11:38 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186682&oldid=185862 * None1 * (+79) /* My Esolangs */
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11:23:35 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/7]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186683&oldid=186551 * None1 * (+367)
11:23:48 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/7]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186684&oldid=186683 * None1 * (+6)
11:24:20 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/7]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186685&oldid=186684 * None1 * (+1) /* Python */
11:25:54 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186686&oldid=138591 * None1 * (-3) /* Intepreters */
11:30:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:Trigbf]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186687 * Blashyrkh * (+310) Created page with "Does <code>[</code> require '''exact''' equality to zero to skip the block of code? If so then loops are of very limited use, because exact zero can not occur by any means except <code>,</code> or moving to brand new cell. --~~~~"
11:42:17 <esolangs> [[Jezik]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186688&oldid=186275 * Zopium * (+1) this language is not low level lol
11:44:43 <esolangs> [[Jezik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186689&oldid=186688 * Zopium * (-1) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/186688|186688]] by [[Special:Contributions/Zopium|Zopium]] ([[User talk:Zopium|talk]])
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12:07:39 <esolangs> [[Eb-maj7]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186690&oldid=93580 * Nimeratus * (+57) fix infobox saying unimplemented
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12:35:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:Main Page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186691&oldid=185353 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+279) /* Another genuine question */
12:37:13 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186692&oldid=186686 * None1 * (+1) /* Intepreters */ colon
12:38:19 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186693&oldid=186692 * None1 * (+512) /* Example programs */
12:38:50 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186694&oldid=179724 * None1 * (+466) /* Implementations */
12:39:08 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186695&oldid=186693 * None1 * (+0) /* Project Euler */
12:41:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:Trigbf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186696&oldid=186687 * None1 * (+323) Yep.
12:42:36 <esolangs> [[Polynomix]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186697&oldid=186365 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+424) ----
12:47:23 <esolangs> [[Und grau mann]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186698&oldid=185151 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (-153) /* Commands */
12:59:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:Trigbf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186699&oldid=186696 * Blashyrkh * (+232)
13:12:06 <esolangs> [[Polynomix]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186700&oldid=186697 * I am islptng * (-424) That take too much of the page.
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13:26:32 <esolangs> [[User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186701&oldid=185142 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+10) lol
13:40:00 <esolangs> [[SGA]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186702 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+1879) Created page with "StackGolfAssembly, also known as '''SGA''' for short, is a [[stack|stack-based language]] created by [[User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt]]. == Nomenclature == The letters in the acronym reflect different aspects of SGA: * '''S''' (Stack): The language is stack-based. * '
13:43:58 <esolangs> [[Legato]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186703 * PrySigneToFry * (+9456) Created page with ":''This entry is not about the playing technique 'legato'.'' Legato is a programming language designed by PSTF. = Overview = ; Type System: Statically strong-typed, with full type inference support (Hindley-Milner style). ; Paradigm: A mix of imperative, functi
13:48:06 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186704&oldid=186679 * PrySigneToFry * (+13)
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13:52:36 <esolangs> [[SGA]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186705&oldid=186702 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+751)
13:53:16 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186706&oldid=186595 * Hotcrystal0 * (-11)
13:54:24 <esolangs> [[SGA]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186707&oldid=186705 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+41) Add categories]]
13:54:42 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Anti-Crystal Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186708&oldid=185638 * Hotcrystal0 * (+172)
13:55:08 <esolangs> [[Und grau mann]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186709&oldid=186698 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+107) Add categories
13:55:56 <esolangs> [[User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186710&oldid=186701 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+2)
13:56:28 <esolangs> [[User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186711&oldid=186710 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+20) /* Esolangs */
13:57:26 <esolangs> [[Manuever]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186712&oldid=178881 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+22)
14:01:00 <esolangs> [[HQ9+]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186713&oldid=177019 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+65) /* See also */
14:03:01 <esolangs> [[Manuever]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186714&oldid=186712 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+45) Extending.
14:04:40 <esolangs> [[User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186715&oldid=186711 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (-7)
14:17:03 <esolangs> [[Coin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186716&oldid=185002 * I am islptng * (+1770) Implemented!
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14:26:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Trigbf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186717&oldid=186699 * Blashyrkh * (+225) /* Much shorter Hello, world! */ new section
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14:38:57 <esolangs> [[Zip]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186718&oldid=179658 * KamilMalicki * (+84) To make sure it is implemented
14:40:35 <esolangs> [[Zip]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186719&oldid=186718 * KamilMalicki * (-9) removing unnecessary text
14:43:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:Trigbf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186720&oldid=186717 * Blashyrkh * (+169)
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15:28:42 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/7]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186721&oldid=186685 * PrySigneToFry * (+3658) Add C++ and Lua
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16:13:21 <HackEso> olist <https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1347.html>: shachaf oerjan Sgeo boily nortti b_jonas Noisytoot
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16:44:24 <azul_> someone interested in something?
16:48:06 <azul_> what is your interest based in
16:59:48 <korvo> Right now I've got two books open, one introducing category theory and one explaining the history of ELIZA. I'm also tracking down fascists in online communities.
17:01:02 <azul_> eliza is that early chatbot?
17:01:10 <azul_> what are fascists?
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17:09:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186722&oldid=186319 * Fgaoxing * (+40)
17:10:04 <korvo> Yes, ELIZA was the first chatbot to convince people that it was not a chatbot. All of the ridiculous things people are doing with LLM products today were predicted half a century ago. The history is quite interesting because it seems that there's been no shortage of Kassandras crying out in vain.
17:10:06 <esolangs> [[Addfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186723 * Fgaoxing * (+6664) Created page with "{{lowercase}} {{infobox proglang |name=AddFuck |paradigms=imperative |author=[[Fgaoxing]] |year=[[:Category:2026|2026]] |memsys=[[:Category:Cell-based|Cell-based]] |dimensions=one-dimensional |class=[[:Category:Turing complete|Turing complete]] |majorimpl=[https://gith
17:10:47 <azul_> artificial liguistic computer entity
17:11:16 <korvo> Yes, similar. Never forget: they are computer programs, not humans.
17:11:48 <azul_> I started to talk or ask about sex
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17:37:59 <int-e> korvo: So should we treat them better or worse ;-)
17:38:31 <azul_> that is not the point, int-e
17:38:38 <int-e> (Relevant old joke: You should not anthropomorphize computers; they hate it when you do that.)
17:38:54 <azul_> that is planificationist
17:41:24 <int-e> azul_: TBH you don't sound like you have a point. Neither do I, but I didn't really pretend to have one :-P
17:42:35 <azul_> well, what you pretent is to appear as better than me?
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17:44:12 <korvo> int-e: I'm working on a big essay about this. My tentative conclusion is that the question should be flipped: should computers treat humans better or worse? And the answer I find is that computers should be courteous to humans, respecting their power and sheer physical capability, in much the same way as humans respect trees or rivers.
17:45:03 <azul_> that is not very friendly
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17:47:02 <int-e> I have my moments.
17:47:32 <azul_> why are you considering how "should" computers o humans treat each other?
17:48:30 <azul_> I mean, what problem are you trying to solve?
17:49:06 <int-e> Oh the underlying notion I'm entertaining is that people who are assholes to human-imitating computers will also be assholes to humans.
17:50:38 <azul_> well, that is reductionistic
17:51:03 <azul_> the behaviour does not depend on the other side of the conversation?
18:03:14 <int-e> I think we're likely to forget in the case of chatbots.
18:04:53 <azul_> forget about what?
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18:05:39 <int-e> about whether or not the other end is human
18:07:01 <azul_> why to forget? because we cannot know for sure?
18:07:43 <korvo> azul_: I was trying to understand the origins of groupthink and collective behavior. By what grounds do groups of people mistreat or accept outsiders? Computers only were worth discussing because they can physically encode many of the same behaviors that humans habitually have.
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18:08:38 <korvo> So, when we encode behaviors relating to formality, etiquette, courtesy, etc. we are giving an apparent morality to computers. How we choose to dress up computers is part of how we conceptualize the morality of our society.
18:12:16 <azul_> that sounds, in the middle of other considerations, collectivistic
18:15:07 <korvo> First time talking to a communist?
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18:18:29 <azul_> i consider collectivism different from communism
18:18:59 <azul_> slightly worse i consider excessive collectivism than communism
18:21:36 <azul_> anyway, the worse things i consider are marxism and socialism
18:21:48 <azul_> communism i dont mind much
18:22:13 <korvo> Ah, a Marx hater? Name three things Marx believed or espoused, *but* that weren't also part of Ricardo or Smith.
18:23:40 <azul_> well, I can contradict several things marx used to speak bad about idontkwowhat and purport their (marxist) theories, anyway invented on purpose and to get some money
18:24:27 <azul_> marx was miserable
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18:25:03 <azul_> and did that complicated theories
18:32:33 <korvo> So, you don't actually know anything about Marx. Thanks for playing.
18:33:15 <korvo> An easy three: labor theory of value, definition of commmune as "from each according to ability, to each according to need"; open advocation for communist revolution.
18:33:44 <azul_> i can deconstruct all those
18:33:49 <azul_> only you dont allow to
18:34:09 <azul_> you protect your wrong theories
18:34:21 <azul_> only because idontknowwhat
18:34:46 <korvo> But that's not what I asked. I wanted you to differentiate Marx from Ricardo and Smith. Most anti-Marxists today do not actually have a good understanding of the underlying economics.
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18:35:26 <korvo> Also, of those, only the labor theory of value is really up for discussion. (Starting point: why does gold have the price it does? why is the world's most productive gold mine actually a copper mine?) The other two are just knowing about what Marx wrote.
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18:38:47 <azul_> who wrote the wealth of the nations?
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18:39:14 <azul_> not ricardo or smith if i remember corretly
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18:41:05 <azul_> i can deconstruct the theory of the plusvaly
18:41:30 <korvo> Wealth of Nations is Smith. That's the one where he says that landlords are parasites, IIRC.
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18:52:43 <azul_> ok I am in accord with you in the concept of that most economists are "efficientialists" or "exploitative"
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18:55:58 <azul_> marxism doesnot solve anything i guess
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19:06:34 <korvo> Free Software is an example of a commune in the Marxist sense. It's also an example of what I call a "Cartesian commune", where participation is so cheap that the market can't support non-free software and every user can become a provider.
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19:07:16 <korvo> For many plants, their starters and saplings also have this Cartesian property, particularly when neighbors are sharing directly with each other and logistics costs go to zero.
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19:11:48 <azul_> very bad economics, the ones of the free software
19:12:00 <azul_> it is a pity that it was spread so much
19:12:19 <azul_> richard stallman... marx II
19:12:47 <azul_> or marx... richard stallman I?
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19:14:50 <korvo> The better mapping is that Eben Moglen is like Marx. Stallman was a commune-builder; he created two communes, first one for Emacs and second one for GNU.
19:15:21 <azul_> you call communes?=
19:15:32 <azul_> what is a commune anyway?
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19:16:05 <azul_> usa exports communism
19:16:14 <azul_> they always export bad things
19:18:41 <korvo> A commune, as mentioned above, is a collection of stuff s.t. people contribute whatever they want to contribute, and people use whatever they need to use.
19:19:08 <korvo> (Next stop is probably the free-rider problem. Seriously, this isn't a conversation as much as a talk-tree of memes.)
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19:26:40 <azul_> ok, hard to follow that misery
19:29:45 <korvo> Hey, feel free to come back on-topic at any time. Welcome to #esolangs! This channel is for discussing and maintaining the Esoteric Programming Langauges wiki at esolangs.org.
19:30:10 <azul_> so talk about language
19:30:50 <azul_> why are they called esoteric?
19:30:58 <azul_> what does esoteric mean?
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19:32:13 <korvo> esolangs: What is an esoteric programming language?
19:32:50 <esolangs> korvo: An esoteric programming language is a computer language designed for experimentation and novelty rather than practical use. It's often intentionally difficult to program in, focusing on weird ideas, minimal instructions, or simply being a joke. Esoteric languages are created for fun, exploration, and pushing the boundaries of programming.
19:33:02 <korvo> An esolang is merely a language that isn't well-studied, or studied outside the academic tradition, or not known to industry. We don't have a strict definition. To me, this wiki is for languages that wouldn't be allowed on English WP.
19:40:12 <int-e> (This rubs me wrong, but WP would reject these for lack of notability. That doesn't mean that they can't be interesting (to some people))
19:43:17 <azul_> why do we create esoteric programming languages and not esoteric natural languages?
19:43:22 <esolangs> [[ton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186740&oldid=186734 * Miui * (+4370)
19:43:43 <int-e> conlangs are a thing
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19:45:22 <int-e> Esolangs are easier to use; you don't need anybody else to go down the same rabbit hole with you.
19:45:37 <zzo38> There are other thing involved with esoteric programming as well, such as the computational class of something that isn't a programming language
19:45:59 <int-e> Esolangs also tend to be much smaller since they do not strive to cover the broad needs of human communication.
19:47:05 <int-e> your favorite search engine should find a wikipedia article for you if you use that keyword
19:49:43 <azul_> you send me to the browser to read
19:49:53 <azul_> so you dont like speaking natural language
19:50:40 <int-e> I don't like explaining things that I'm merely vaguely aware of; Wikipedia will do a far better job at it.
19:51:00 <somefan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructed_language
19:52:02 <int-e> Well, that's false. I do like explaining such things if I actually want to learn more about them myself.
19:52:14 <int-e> This is not one of those things.
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