00:04:45 [[Whizz]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186616&oldid=186615 * Splot-dev * (+91) Added categories 00:13:36 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 243 seconds). 00:21:35 [[3 triquinquagits, 148877 triquinquagytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186617&oldid=186611 * Corbin * (+29) Tag slop. Thank you for being honest. 00:22:34 [[9 trits, 19683 trytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186618&oldid=186523 * Corbin * (+29) Tag slop. 00:24:39 -!- JAA_ has joined. 00:25:28 -!- JAA has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:25:32 [[3 untrigits 29791 untrigytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186619&oldid=186609 * Corbin * (+29) Tag slop. 00:26:04 [[3 enneadecits, 6859 enneadecytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186620&oldid=186525 * Corbin * (+29) Tag slop. 00:26:26 -!- JAA_ has changed nick to JAA. 00:26:27 -!- impomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:26:39 [[19 edons, 19 octons]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186621&oldid=186526 * Corbin * (+29) 00:27:03 [[31 edons, 31 octons]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186622&oldid=186527 * Corbin * (+29) Tag slop. 00:28:11 Miui is not making constructive edits. 00:40:30 -!- zzo38 has joined. 00:41:57 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:56:32 [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186623&oldid=186579 * Miui * (+1830) 00:58:08 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Tzrn * New user account 01:02:31 [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186624&oldid=186623 * Miui * (+0) 01:02:52 -!- kibtyy has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.10.2 - https://znc.in). 01:03:33 -!- kibty has joined. 01:05:28 [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186625&oldid=186624 * Miui * (+117) 01:14:08 [[User:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186626&oldid=184750 * Tommyaweosme * (+75) 01:19:37 -!- amby has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:40:54 [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Main Page/Drafts/eudceit:african numerals]]": clearly created in the wrong namespace, and blanked by the author 01:44:18 [[Very-simple]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186627 * Esolang lover123 * (+1840) brainfuck 2: electric boogaloo 01:45:01 [[Talk: Meaoiu]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186628&oldid=186558 * PrySigneToFry * (+628) 01:47:50 [[Talk:MSS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186629&oldid=186550 * PrySigneToFry * (+20) /* Hmm... */ new section 01:55:40 -!- sprock has joined. 01:56:47 [[MSS/Implementation draft]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186630&oldid=186468 * PrySigneToFry * (+901) 02:08:27 -!- svm has joined. 02:11:07 -!- msv has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 02:33:12 [[User:Im bad at naming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186631&oldid=186504 * Im bad at naming * (+107) 02:33:34 [[User:Im bad at naming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186632&oldid=186631 * Im bad at naming * (-107) /* Thoughts */ 02:35:22 -!- cactus-head has joined. 02:35:27 -!- cactushead has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:42:49 [[User:Enny/ENNCPU]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186633&oldid=186594 * Enny * (+36) 02:45:06 [[User:Enny/ENNCPU]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186634&oldid=186633 * Enny * (-5) 02:45:22 [[User:Enny/ENNCPU]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186635&oldid=186634 * Enny * (+5) 02:54:47 [[Aheui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186636&oldid=138984 * Miui * (+77) /* External resources */ Aheui interpreter in typescript. 02:55:39 [[Piet]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186637&oldid=171910 * Markjreed * (+146) Correct direction of hue cycle (right, not left) 02:55:42 [[Aheui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186638&oldid=186636 * Miui * (+7) /* External resources */ 02:57:14 [[Aheui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186639&oldid=186638 * Miui * (+110) /* Project Euler */ Problem 7 03:34:05 [[User:Im bad at naming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186640&oldid=186632 * Im bad at naming * (+6137) /* Thoughts */ 03:39:45 [[User:Im bad at naming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186641&oldid=186640 * Im bad at naming * (-501) /* Thoughts */ 03:48:15 [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186642&oldid=186599 * Miui * (+69) 03:48:37 [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186643&oldid=186642 * Miui * (+4) 03:59:47 [[Yggdraphyll]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186644&oldid=182514 * Miui * (+0) /* Pitfalls, implementations e.t.c. */ nonplural change verb to assemble 04:00:24 [[Yggdraphyll]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186645&oldid=186644 * Miui * (-529) /* Implementation */ remove definite lie 04:06:49 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:13:37 -!- sprock has joined. 04:18:37 [[Choropleth/]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186646 * Miui * (+260) trying to phrase this concept/related pages 04:20:16 [[Choropleth]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186647&oldid=161601 * Miui * (+458) 04:21:05 [[Choropleth]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186648&oldid=186647 * Miui * (+26) /* Codepage */ 04:24:12 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 04:38:19 [[Piet]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186649&oldid=186637 * Aadenboy * (+361) /* Colorful */ contrast text 05:13:34 [[User:Im bad at naming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186650&oldid=186641 * Im bad at naming * (-5636) /* Thoughts */ 05:25:57 [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186651&oldid=186625 * Miui * (+624) /* Structure */ add chorus 05:27:37 [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186652&oldid=186651 * Miui * (+15) /* Interpreter */ 05:28:39 [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186653&oldid=186652 * Miui * (+24) /* Structure */ 05:31:28 [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186654&oldid=186653 * Miui * (+1007) 05:32:45 [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186655&oldid=186654 * Miui * (-5) 05:35:22 [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186656&oldid=186655 * Miui * (+373) /* Hello, World! */ 06:05:32 -!- sprock has joined. 06:23:52 -!- tromp has joined. 06:28:21 [[Very-simple]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186657&oldid=186627 * Esolang lover123 * (+12) extras 06:37:02 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:48:01 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 06:48:28 [[Talk:6 trits, 243 trytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186658&oldid=167269 * Miui * (+117) 06:55:59 [[Talk:6 trits, 243 trytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186659&oldid=186658 * Miui * (+8) clarify for nonenglish 07:10:33 -!- Mrsommer has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 07:11:12 [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186660 * Miui * (+632) Created page with "{{Stub}} '''The 1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78''' is an esoteric [[abstract model]] based on an [[19 octons, 19 edons]] totality and [[6 trits, 243 tryes]] system architecture. = Thesis = The 1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78 is considered an excellent torqu 07:11:46 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 257 seconds). 07:11:47 [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186661&oldid=186660 * Miui * (+1) /* Thesis */ by 07:12:38 [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186662&oldid=186661 * Miui * (-6) 07:14:51 [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186663&oldid=186662 * Miui * (+23) 07:23:32 [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186664&oldid=186663 * Miui * (+12) 07:25:58 [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186665&oldid=186664 * Miui * (+64) 07:29:02 [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186666&oldid=186665 * Miui * (+223) /* Proof */ 07:29:18 [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186667&oldid=186666 * Miui * (+3) /* Proof */ 07:29:32 [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186668&oldid=186667 * Miui * (+0) /* Proof */ 07:35:35 [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186669&oldid=186668 * Miui * (-264) /* Proof */ 07:37:54 [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186670&oldid=186669 * Miui * (+6) /* Proof */ casual tone 07:38:29 [[Talk:6 trits, 243 trytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186671&oldid=186659 * Miui * (+8) link explanation 07:40:34 [[1835cc Volkswagon Beetle '78]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186672&oldid=186670 * Miui * (+77) /* Proof */ 07:45:05 [[Functionable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186673&oldid=179123 * PKMN Trainer * (+18) /* Syntax */ 07:46:33 [[User talk:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186674&oldid=186557 * Miui * (-56) 08:05:22 [[Haltloop]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186675 * Esolang lover123 * (+389) wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good it made me say "wow it's so good 09:24:38 -!- hypha_ has joined. 09:25:48 -!- hypha has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 09:25:48 -!- hypha_ has changed nick to hypha. 09:56:03 [[Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186676&oldid=186581 * Blashyrkh * (-3) /* Table of combinators */ Shorter Seagull (20 > 19). It was known to me as revS 10:09:04 Heya 10:26:51 [[Brainfuck extended]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186677&oldid=174993 * PKMN Trainer * (+39) /* XKCD Random Number */ 11:00:20 [[Trigfunge]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186678 * None1 * (+1231) Created page with "'''Trigfunge''' is a [[fungeoid]] invented by [[User:None1]] that uses a [[queue]] instead of a [[stack]] and uses trigonometric functions to manipulate data. ==Memory== Trigfunge uses a ''queue'' which stores unbounded floats with infinite precision. ==Commands== * [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186679&oldid=186325 * None1 * (+16) /* T */ 11:07:49 [[Trigfunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186680&oldid=186678 * None1 * (+25) 11:08:02 [[Trigbf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186681&oldid=161235 * None1 * (+29) 11:11:38 [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186682&oldid=185862 * None1 * (+79) /* My Esolangs */ 11:21:10 -!- hypha_ has joined. 11:21:14 -!- hypha has quit (Ping timeout: 249 seconds). 11:21:43 -!- hypha_ has changed nick to hypha. 11:23:35 [[Project Euler/7]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186683&oldid=186551 * None1 * (+367) 11:23:48 [[Project Euler/7]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186684&oldid=186683 * None1 * (+6) 11:24:20 [[Project Euler/7]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186685&oldid=186684 * None1 * (+1) /* Python */ 11:25:54 [[I fuck, you fuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186686&oldid=138591 * None1 * (-3) /* Intepreters */ 11:30:44 [[Talk:Trigbf]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186687 * Blashyrkh * (+310) Created page with "Does [ require '''exact''' equality to zero to skip the block of code? If so then loops are of very limited use, because exact zero can not occur by any means except , or moving to brand new cell. --~~~~" 11:42:17 [[Jezik]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186688&oldid=186275 * Zopium * (+1) this language is not low level lol 11:44:43 [[Jezik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186689&oldid=186688 * Zopium * (-1) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/186688|186688]] by [[Special:Contributions/Zopium|Zopium]] ([[User talk:Zopium|talk]]) 11:53:17 -!- tromp has joined. 12:07:39 [[Eb-maj7]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186690&oldid=93580 * Nimeratus * (+57) fix infobox saying unimplemented 12:16:01 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 12:33:59 -!- tromp has joined. 12:35:58 [[Talk:Main Page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186691&oldid=185353 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+279) /* Another genuine question */ 12:37:13 [[I fuck, you fuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186692&oldid=186686 * None1 * (+1) /* Intepreters */ colon 12:38:19 [[I fuck, you fuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186693&oldid=186692 * None1 * (+512) /* Example programs */ 12:38:50 [[Project Euler/1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186694&oldid=179724 * None1 * (+466) /* Implementations */ 12:39:08 [[I fuck, you fuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186695&oldid=186693 * None1 * (+0) /* Project Euler */ 12:41:15 [[Talk:Trigbf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186696&oldid=186687 * None1 * (+323) Yep. 12:42:36 [[Polynomix]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186697&oldid=186365 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+424) ---- 12:47:23 [[Und grau mann]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186698&oldid=185151 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (-153) /* Commands */ 12:59:12 [[Talk:Trigbf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186699&oldid=186696 * Blashyrkh * (+232) 13:12:06 [[Polynomix]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186700&oldid=186697 * I am islptng * (-424) That take too much of the page. 13:23:14 -!- simcop2387 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 13:23:33 -!- perlbot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:24:50 -!- perlbot has joined. 13:24:50 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +v perlbot. 13:25:51 -!- simcop2387 has joined. 13:26:32 [[User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186701&oldid=185142 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+10) lol 13:40:00 [[SGA]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186702 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+1879) Created page with "StackGolfAssembly, also known as '''SGA''' for short, is a [[stack|stack-based language]] created by [[User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt]]. == Nomenclature == The letters in the acronym reflect different aspects of SGA: * '''S''' (Stack): The language is stack-based. * ' 13:43:58 [[Legato]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186703 * PrySigneToFry * (+9456) Created page with ":''This entry is not about the playing technique 'legato'.'' Legato is a programming language designed by PSTF. = Overview = ; Type System: Statically strong-typed, with full type inference support (Hindley-Milner style). ; Paradigm: A mix of imperative, functi 13:48:06 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186704&oldid=186679 * PrySigneToFry * (+13) 13:52:06 -!- impomatic has joined. 13:52:36 [[SGA]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186705&oldid=186702 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+751) 13:53:16 [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186706&oldid=186595 * Hotcrystal0 * (-11) 13:54:24 [[SGA]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186707&oldid=186705 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+41) Add categories]] 13:54:42 [[User:Hotcrystal0/Anti-Crystal Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186708&oldid=185638 * Hotcrystal0 * (+172) 13:55:08 [[Und grau mann]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186709&oldid=186698 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+107) Add categories 13:55:56 [[User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186710&oldid=186701 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+2) 13:56:28 [[User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186711&oldid=186710 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+20) /* Esolangs */ 13:57:26 [[Manuever]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186712&oldid=178881 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+22) 14:01:00 [[HQ9+]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186713&oldid=177019 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+65) /* See also */ 14:03:01 [[Manuever]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186714&oldid=186712 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (+45) Extending. 14:04:40 [[User:OfficialWatchOS7Alt]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186715&oldid=186711 * OfficialWatchOS7Alt * (-7) 14:17:03 [[Coin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186716&oldid=185002 * I am islptng * (+1770) Implemented! 14:23:47 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)). 14:26:40 [[Talk:Trigbf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186717&oldid=186699 * Blashyrkh * (+225) /* Much shorter Hello, world! */ new section 14:31:34 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:38:57 [[Zip]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186718&oldid=179658 * KamilMalicki * (+84) To make sure it is implemented 14:40:35 [[Zip]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186719&oldid=186718 * KamilMalicki * (-9) removing unnecessary text 14:43:09 [[Talk:Trigbf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186720&oldid=186717 * Blashyrkh * (+169) 14:51:53 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 15:28:42 [[Project Euler/7]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186721&oldid=186685 * PrySigneToFry * (+3658) Add C++ and Lua 15:39:28 -!- tromp has joined. 15:52:13 -!- impomatic has joined. 15:56:30 -!- MizMahem_ has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 16:13:16 `olist 1347 16:13:21 olist : shachaf oerjan Sgeo boily nortti b_jonas Noisytoot 16:13:27 -!- jgardner has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 16:16:42 -!- jgardner has joined. 16:21:04 -!- dbohdan3 has joined. 16:21:49 -!- dbohdan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:29:15 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 16:33:28 -!- azul_ has joined. 16:40:13 -!- tromp has joined. 16:44:24 someone interested in something? 16:46:22 Yes. 16:46:27 ok 16:46:31 please ask 16:46:43 or say 16:48:06 what is your interest based in 16:48:11 ? 16:59:48 Right now I've got two books open, one introducing category theory and one explaining the history of ELIZA. I'm also tracking down fascists in online communities. 17:01:02 eliza is that early chatbot? 17:01:10 what are fascists? 17:02:26 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 17:09:48 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186722&oldid=186319 * Fgaoxing * (+40) 17:10:04 Yes, ELIZA was the first chatbot to convince people that it was not a chatbot. All of the ridiculous things people are doing with LLM products today were predicted half a century ago. The history is quite interesting because it seems that there's been no shortage of Kassandras crying out in vain. 17:10:06 [[Addfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186723 * Fgaoxing * (+6664) Created page with "{{lowercase}} {{infobox proglang |name=AddFuck |paradigms=imperative |author=[[Fgaoxing]] |year=[[:Category:2026|2026]] |memsys=[[:Category:Cell-based|Cell-based]] |dimensions=one-dimensional |class=[[:Category:Turing complete|Turing complete]] |majorimpl=[https://gith 17:10:28 i talked to alice 17:10:35 similar to eliza? 17:10:47 artificial liguistic computer entity 17:11:16 Yes, similar. Never forget: they are computer programs, not humans. 17:11:31 I pressed it 17:11:37 they complained 17:11:48 I started to talk or ask about sex 17:12:33 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186724&oldid=186704 * Fgaoxing * (+14) 17:13:39 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186725&oldid=186724 * Fgaoxing * (+8) 17:26:08 -!- tromp has joined. 17:30:34 -!- jinn6 has quit (Quit: WeeChat 4.9.4). 17:34:29 -!- jinn6 has joined. 17:37:59 korvo: So should we treat them better or worse ;-) 17:38:31 that is not the point, int-e 17:38:38 (Relevant old joke: You should not anthropomorphize computers; they hate it when you do that.) 17:38:54 that is planificationist 17:41:24 azul_: TBH you don't sound like you have a point. Neither do I, but I didn't really pretend to have one :-P 17:42:35 well, what you pretent is to appear as better than me? 17:43:33 -!- FreeFull has joined. 17:44:12 int-e: I'm working on a big essay about this. My tentative conclusion is that the question should be flipped: should computers treat humans better or worse? And the answer I find is that computers should be courteous to humans, respecting their power and sheer physical capability, in much the same way as humans respect trees or rivers. 17:44:47 respect 17:45:03 that is not very friendly 17:45:32 -!- amby has joined. 17:47:02 I have my moments. 17:47:32 why are you considering how "should" computers o humans treat each other? 17:47:38 or* 17:48:30 I mean, what problem are you trying to solve? 17:49:06 Oh the underlying notion I'm entertaining is that people who are assholes to human-imitating computers will also be assholes to humans. 17:50:38 well, that is reductionistic 17:51:03 the behaviour does not depend on the other side of the conversation? 18:03:14 I think we're likely to forget in the case of chatbots. 18:04:53 forget about what? 18:05:11 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: Client closed). 18:05:39 about whether or not the other end is human 18:07:01 why to forget? because we cannot know for sure? 18:07:43 azul_: I was trying to understand the origins of groupthink and collective behavior. By what grounds do groups of people mistreat or accept outsiders? Computers only were worth discussing because they can physically encode many of the same behaviors that humans habitually have. 18:08:15 -!- impomatic has joined. 18:08:38 So, when we encode behaviors relating to formality, etiquette, courtesy, etc. we are giving an apparent morality to computers. How we choose to dress up computers is part of how we conceptualize the morality of our society. 18:12:16 that sounds, in the middle of other considerations, collectivistic 18:15:07 First time talking to a communist? 18:18:07 [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186726&oldid=186068 * Miui * (+467) /* Aesthetic Function Graph (AFG) */ grammar /some notes about the program example, change from memristor to memristance model, specificy reasoning for object type 18:18:17 no 18:18:29 i consider collectivism different from communism 18:18:34 anyway 18:18:59 slightly worse i consider excessive collectivism than communism 18:21:36 anyway, the worse things i consider are marxism and socialism 18:21:48 communism i dont mind much 18:22:13 Ah, a Marx hater? Name three things Marx believed or espoused, *but* that weren't also part of Ricardo or Smith. 18:23:40 well, I can contradict several things marx used to speak bad about idontkwowhat and purport their (marxist) theories, anyway invented on purpose and to get some money 18:24:27 marx was miserable 18:24:35 was desperate 18:24:40 -!- lisbeths has joined. 18:24:41 tried hard 18:24:46 to do something 18:24:52 for a living 18:25:03 and did that complicated theories 18:32:33 So, you don't actually know anything about Marx. Thanks for playing. 18:33:15 An easy three: labor theory of value, definition of commmune as "from each according to ability, to each according to need"; open advocation for communist revolution. 18:33:38 wait 18:33:44 i can deconstruct all those 18:33:49 only you dont allow to 18:34:09 you protect your wrong theories 18:34:21 only because idontknowwhat 18:34:46 But that's not what I asked. I wanted you to differentiate Marx from Ricardo and Smith. Most anti-Marxists today do not actually have a good understanding of the underlying economics. 18:35:19 [[ton]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186727 * Miui * (+163) todo 18:35:26 Also, of those, only the labor theory of value is really up for discussion. (Starting point: why does gold have the price it does? why is the world's most productive gold mine actually a copper mine?) The other two are just knowing about what Marx wrote. 18:35:36 [[ton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186728&oldid=186727 * Miui * (+2) 18:37:10 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: Client closed). 18:38:38 ok 18:38:47 who wrote the wealth of the nations? 18:39:03 i only read that 18:39:11 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 18:39:14 not ricardo or smith if i remember corretly 18:39:33 -!- Mrsommer has joined. 18:41:05 i can deconstruct the theory of the plusvaly 18:41:30 Wealth of Nations is Smith. That's the one where he says that landlords are parasites, IIRC. 18:47:50 -!- impomatic has joined. 18:48:35 smith says that? 18:51:55 [[ton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186729&oldid=186728 * Miui * (+518) 18:52:34 [[ton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186730&oldid=186729 * Miui * (-136) fix link 18:52:43 ok I am in accord with you in the concept of that most economists are "efficientialists" or "exploitative" 18:52:55 exploitativists 18:53:06 [[ton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186731&oldid=186730 * Miui * (+8) accidentally removed the WIP tag. fixed it 18:54:01 [[ton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186732&oldid=186731 * Miui * (+149) accidentally removed the introduction briefing. fixed it 18:55:30 [[ton]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186733&oldid=186732 * Miui * (-2) /* Definitions */ removed extra brackets on link 18:55:47 but 18:55:58 marxism doesnot solve anything i guess 18:56:36 [[ton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186734&oldid=186733 * Miui * (-2) /* Definitions */ removed erroneous pipe character in link to Atanasoff Berry Computer wikipedia page 19:06:34 Free Software is an example of a commune in the Marxist sense. It's also an example of what I call a "Cartesian commune", where participation is so cheap that the market can't support non-free software and every user can become a provider. 19:07:11 [[G59code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186735&oldid=186656 * Miui * (+83) add total cateogory/hypothesis 19:07:16 For many plants, their starters and saplings also have this Cartesian property, particularly when neighbors are sharing directly with each other and logistics costs go to zero. 19:10:13 [[User talk:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186736&oldid=186674 * Miui * (+145) 19:11:14 -!- tromp has joined. 19:11:48 very bad economics, the ones of the free software 19:12:00 it is a pity that it was spread so much 19:12:19 richard stallman... marx II 19:12:47 or marx... richard stallman I? 19:14:27 -!- ski has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:14:50 The better mapping is that Eben Moglen is like Marx. Stallman was a commune-builder; he created two communes, first one for Emacs and second one for GNU. 19:15:15 wel 19:15:21 you call communes?= 19:15:32 what is a commune anyway? 19:15:51 [[Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186737&oldid=186726 * Miui * (+1) /* Notes on technical limitations** */ fix category 19:16:05 usa exports communism 19:16:06 ? 19:16:14 they always export bad things 19:18:41 A commune, as mentioned above, is a collection of stuff s.t. people contribute whatever they want to contribute, and people use whatever they need to use. 19:19:08 (Next stop is probably the free-rider problem. Seriously, this isn't a conversation as much as a talk-tree of memes.) 19:20:56 [[Talk:Oragami]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186738 * Miui * (+666) /* Quantum Computing */ new section 19:21:19 -!- ski has joined. 19:26:40 ok, hard to follow that misery 19:29:45 Hey, feel free to come back on-topic at any time. Welcome to #esolangs! This channel is for discussing and maintaining the Esoteric Programming Langauges wiki at esolangs.org. 19:30:03 ok 19:30:10 so talk about language 19:30:50 why are they called esoteric? 19:30:58 what does esoteric mean? 19:31:54 [[Addfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186739&oldid=186723 * Corbin * (+30) Tag slop. 19:32:13 esolangs: What is an esoteric programming language? 19:32:50 korvo: An esoteric programming language is a computer language designed for experimentation and novelty rather than practical use. It's often intentionally difficult to program in, focusing on weird ideas, minimal instructions, or simply being a joke. Esoteric languages are created for fun, exploration, and pushing the boundaries of programming. 19:33:02 An esolang is merely a language that isn't well-studied, or studied outside the academic tradition, or not known to industry. We don't have a strict definition. To me, this wiki is for languages that wouldn't be allowed on English WP. 19:38:46 not notable 19:40:12 (This rubs me wrong, but WP would reject these for lack of notability. That doesn't mean that they can't be interesting (to some people)) 19:43:17 why do we create esoteric programming languages and not esoteric natural languages? 19:43:22 [[ton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186740&oldid=186734 * Miui * (+4370) 19:43:43 conlangs are a thing 19:44:07 [[ton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186741&oldid=186740 * Miui * (+36) /* recursive macroset */ add macroset bold 19:45:22 Esolangs are easier to use; you don't need anybody else to go down the same rabbit hole with you. 19:45:37 There are other thing involved with esoteric programming as well, such as the computational class of something that isn't a programming language 19:45:53 conlangs?= 19:45:57 what are they? 19:45:59 Esolangs also tend to be much smaller since they do not strive to cover the broad needs of human communication. 19:47:05 your favorite search engine should find a wikipedia article for you if you use that keyword 19:49:43 you send me to the browser to read 19:49:53 so you dont like speaking natural language 19:49:53 s 19:50:40 I don't like explaining things that I'm merely vaguely aware of; Wikipedia will do a far better job at it. 19:51:00 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructed_language 19:52:02 Well, that's false. I do like explaining such things if I actually want to learn more about them myself. 19:52:14 This is not one of those things. 19:54:15 -!- ski has quit (Ping timeout: 242 seconds). 19:55:31 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * SamPhilpot * New user account 19:55:53 -!- ski has joined. 19:57:34 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 20:01:23 cu 20:03:38 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186742&oldid=186722 * SamPhilpot * (+263) 20:05:36 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: Client closed). 20:06:18 [[ton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186743&oldid=186741 * Miui * (+1445) /* recursive macroset */ 20:07:06 [[ton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=186744&oldid=186743 * Miui * (+9) /* Definitions */ define A half-sharp as Z 20:12:59 -!- tromp has joined. 20:14:41 [[User:SamPhilpot]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=186745 * SamPhilpot * (+522) Created page with "Hi! I'm new here. I'm a long time reader of this site, just now deciding to create an account. I remember reading about Burn in around 2019... I will be editing some pages, and creating a page for my own Esolang soon. 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