< 1785888033 264839 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1785888734 241578 :Mrsommer!~mrsommer@2a02-a452-6df7-0-fc7-22cb-a450-492f.fixed6.kpn.net JOIN #esolangs * :Melvin Sommer < 1785888887 234190 :mosdfisdnfdisnf!~mrsommer@2a02-a452-6df7-0-d122-d614-7e6e-1c70.fixed6.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1785895505 135004 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188190&oldid=187823 5* 03Miui 5* (+101) 10/* dubious pages i wrote */ added some stuff < 1785895868 871317 :amby!~ambylastn@46.162.147.147.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1785896366 503783 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.107.228 QUIT :Quit: KVIrc 5.2.0 Quasar http://www.kvirc.net/ < 1785901846 267816 :somefan!~somefan@user/somefan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1785902151 831005 :somefan!~somefan@user/somefan JOIN #esolangs somefan :somefan (he/him) > 1785906106 404623 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188191&oldid=188159 5* 03None1 5* (+47) 10 < 1785906116 269343 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1785906215 479461 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chicken14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188192&oldid=175592 5* 03None1 5* (+79) 10 > 1785906389 842163 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None1/ToDo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188193&oldid=185281 5* 03None1 5* (+124) 10/* Content */ > 1785907093 515829 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nothing Of-course, Timeless Hitchhikes In New Gardens14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188194&oldid=175352 5* 03Win7HE 5* (+33) 10/* C */ > 1785907301 661072 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:I am islptng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188195&oldid=187645 5* 03I am islptng 5* (-69) 10 > 1785907573 935256 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Lingua Indeterminatum14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188196&oldid=184467 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+6520) 10/* Overturn */ new section > 1785907872 187238 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:PhantomPL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188197&oldid=188176 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+612) 10 > 1785907990 48485 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07G14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188198 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+21) 10Redirected page to [[G Sharp]] > 1785908125 788641 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188199&oldid=175978 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+241) 10/* */ new section < 1785908575 87133 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1785908594 364452 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow, I could figure out that ArrowPrint was AI-generated just from the cut-off fragment in the edit summary < 1785908666 446902 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm still not sure whether I'm supposed to delete pages like that or not < 1785908732 934121 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(not directly because of the AI-generatedness, but due to the odds that the language doesn't actually exist and the page is a hoax page that's factually incorrect) < 1785908739 975895 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think we're slowly edging towards consensus. Or at least towards human consensus. < 1785908754 749873 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode № < 1785908758 987190 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+2116 NUMERO SIGN] < 1785908766 145983 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah. Yeah, it seems aspirational at best. < 1785908823 838693 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are some ideas here I haven't seen before, e.g. the conditional syntax < 1785908841 969349 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's reminiscent of Haskell except in a 2D stack-based language < 1785908912 726516 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least the description needs serious rewriting, some of it is in the wrong style and much of it is hallucinated < 1785908997 723773 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm still not sure whether an implementation actually exists just with broken links, or whether the AI has tried to convincingly claim one exists when in fact there isn't one) < 1785909088 261350 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sadly the examples aren't enough to clarify the spec for what "skip to next line" does < 1785909130 277384 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it moves to the next cell in the y direction, otherwise the fizzbuzz's termination condition wouldn't work, but it's unclear which direction the pointer would be moving in after that < 1785909191 409599 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :contrary to the tagline, the examples at least are much less of a journey than the typical 2D language, they're primarily moving right, and moving down most of the time they aren't moving right < 1785909294 293323 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :something like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Cubix is a lot more flexible (with "go this direction" arrows, mirrors, IP rotations, sidesteps *and* U-turns; having far too many ways to change the IP direction makes it more interesting to golf as you can usually overlap a lot of codepaths at a single point) < 1785910098 786902 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space CHGHOST ~shikhin :offtopia/offtopian < 1785910202 313094 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1785910235 721019 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is this the one you're talking about? https://esolangs.org/wiki/ArrowPrint < 1785910363 496078 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, it has "skip to next line" and a broken link to a github repository, so probably > 1785910583 866438 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Lingua Indeterminatum14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188200&oldid=188196 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+273) 10 < 1785910708 990104 :potter!~potter@user/potter QUIT :Quit: Should be back momentarily < 1785910710 754661 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the doc on the wiki page does seem underspecified, it's not clear how "push element at index n to top" works, including whether this is for reaching deep into the stack or for manipulating array objects, and what kind of syntax you can put to the n placeholder, and there are no examples. later it claims "supports … arbitrary stack manipulation" but it's hard to tell if that's true because of this < 1785910716 995243 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ambiguity > 1785910733 333420 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nothing Of-course, Timeless Hitchhikes In New Gardens14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188201&oldid=188194 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+270) 10 < 1785910813 30571 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :meanwhile, why do we have https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Generated_by_AI ? that seems counterproductive < 1785910853 466591 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :could we just strike that category down please? < 1785911001 704995 :potter!~potter@user/potter JOIN #esolangs potter :potter > 1785911362 997656 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ArrowPrint14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188202 5* 03B jonas 5* (+608) 10Created page with "== Indexing == Can you please explain how the commands listed under Indexing and slices work? Does this copy elements from deeper in the stack to the top? Or does it instead manipulate array objects? And what syntax does the n placeholder have. Do you have any > 1785911450 328036 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ArrowPrint14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188203&oldid=188202 5* 03B jonas 5* (+134) 10 < 1785912528 875423 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the Fizzbuzz example has the control flow going like for (0..99) { if ($_%3 && $_%5) { print } else { if ($_%3) { print "Fizz" } if ($_%5) { print "Buzz" } } print "\n"; } . It took me a while to understand why it works despite the apparently redundant branches. Do people really write FizzBuzz this way? < 1785912961 170674 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it is plausible to use four comparisons instead of just three, I'd just never considered it > 1785913730 772445 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ractangle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188204&oldid=188199 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+337) 10/* */ < 1785913827 925792 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: people sometimes do write it like that but it is extremely weird to write it like that in a 2D language < 1785913864 106250 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :when you have the ability to just draw the flowchart line to the right plcace < 1785913879 358776 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are approaches with two comparisons too, and with zero comparisons < 1785913900 501525 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm not sure I've ever seen a one-comparison approach, assuming you don't count the loop termination test) > 1785916323 44958 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07G Sharp14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188205&oldid=188130 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-429) 10 > 1785916730 632991 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07U (Ractangle)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188206&oldid=164560 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+0) 10ok i have gotten an idea now > 1785917029 691116 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188207 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+31) 10alternative way to accses brainuck by not typing "Old Branjunk" > 1785919014 444166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188208&oldid=188169 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-68) 10/* Subprograms */ < 1785919319 541707 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1785920126 17086 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188209&oldid=166328 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-1930) 10 > 1785920154 93736 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07How dare you fuck the brain14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188210&oldid=188209 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+9) 10 > 1785921234 562031 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RegLike14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188211&oldid=187871 5* 03Olus2000 5* (+343) 10General cleanup < 1785921652 952772 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi > 1785927440 190333 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Dragoneater67/robots.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188212&oldid=188179 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+240) 10 > 1785929981 281687 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07 Meaoiu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188213&oldid=186069 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+963) 10Extend the description and add some examples. > 1785930418 763655 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Dragoneater67/robots.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188214&oldid=188212 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+145) 10 < 1785933337 149656 :amby!~ambylastn@147.147.162.46 JOIN #esolangs * :realname > 1785933999 307357 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188215&oldid=188208 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+131) 10 > 1785934656 725958 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188216&oldid=188215 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-7) 10/* Syntax */ > 1785934718 917411 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188217&oldid=188216 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+37) 10/* Execution */ > 1785934843 587661 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188218&oldid=188217 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-182) 10/* Subprograms */ > 1785935089 784636 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188219&oldid=188218 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+0) 10I can also do this change right? > 1785937361 604028 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SIMP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188220&oldid=188173 5* 03Miui 5* (+0) 10fix cat > 1785937421 407454 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Burn in Hell14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188221&oldid=188112 5* 03Miui 5* (+1) 10fix cat > 1785937997 2501 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Whizz14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188222&oldid=187853 5* 03Splot-dev 5* (+123) 10Added https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/267030/print-the-christmas-alphabet/290495#290495 > 1785941547 621744 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SIMP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188223&oldid=188220 5* 03Miui 5* (+254) 10 < 1785942010 539620 :Everything!~Everythin@212.90.63.223 JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything > 1785943043 243832 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SIMP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188224&oldid=188223 5* 03Miui 5* (+0) 10fix typo, remove unneeded hyphenation > 1785945114 314528 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188225&oldid=188219 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+112) 10add a command > 1785945296 302806 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188226&oldid=188225 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+95) 10/* Execution */ added the alphabets for specifics > 1785947718 563549 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03GraysonLaux 5* 10New user account > 1785948155 13810 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188227&oldid=188184 5* 03GraysonLaux 5* (+179) 10/* Introductions */ < 1785949757 35449 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :Hooloovoo > 1785950887 457721 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ArrowPrint14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188228&oldid=188189 5* 03ViktorChampion 5* (+320) 10 < 1785952567 152475 :somefan!~somefan@user/somefan QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1785952717 605482 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CRAZYLANG14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188229 5* 03GraysonLaux 5* (+3141) 10Created page with "{{Language |name=CRAZYLANG |paradigms=Imperative |class=Language-oriented |created= |author=[[User:GraysonLaux]] |influenced= }} '''CRAZYLANG''' is an esoteric programming language designed to make programs sound like you went crazy when read aloud. == Overview > 1785953250 904673 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CRAZYLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188230&oldid=188229 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+153) 10fix infobox; cats > 1785953261 30268 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CRAZYLANG14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188231&oldid=188230 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-3) 10wrong param > 1785953625 7344 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CRAZYLANG14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188232&oldid=188231 5* 03GraysonLaux 5* (+26) 10/* See Also */ < 1785953721 938589 :Everything!~Everythin@212.90.63.223 QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1785954239 794136 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ArrowPrint14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188233&oldid=188228 5* 03ViktorChampion 5* (+134) 10 > 1785954286 585299 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ArrowPrint14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188234&oldid=188233 5* 03ViktorChampion 5* (+21) 10 > 1785955326 957696 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188235&oldid=188226 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+83) 10/* Execution */ < 1785955376 214742 :somefan!~somefan@user/somefan JOIN #esolangs somefan :somefan (he/him) > 1785955517 937013 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater67/robots.txt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188236&oldid=188235 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+52) 10/* Built-in functions */ > 1785955886 930503 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ArrowPrint14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188237&oldid=188203 5* 03ViktorChampion 5* (+1334) 10 > 1785955931 895811 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ArrowPrint14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188238&oldid=188237 5* 03ViktorChampion 5* (+102) 10 < 1785955989 412626 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's a centaur. < 1785955998 452983 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Er. b_jonas ^^ > 1785956615 985320 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ArrowPrint14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188239&oldid=188238 5* 03B jonas 5* (+572) 10 > 1785956674 961310 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ArrowPrint14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188240&oldid=188239 5* 03ViktorChampion 5* (+56) 10 < 1785956729 951790 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: yes, I've seen it. they gave an alternate URL now. < 1785956779 802300 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently the repository is at https://github.com/ViktorChampion/ArrowPrintInterpreter/ . ais523: > 1785956854 153536 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ArrowPrint14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188241&oldid=188234 5* 03B jonas 5* (+181) 10online interpreter link > 1785957007 40639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ArrowPrint14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188242&oldid=188240 5* 03ViktorChampion 5* (-56) 10 > 1785957376 897931 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ArrowPrint14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188243&oldid=188242 5* 03ViktorChampion 5* (+1352) 10 < 1785957555 325870 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: ^^ now there are two public repositories, the second one for a web interpreter. I'm trying to experiment with it but so far don't have much success. > 1785957576 853308 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ITBCT14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188244 5* 03Miui 5* (+1996) 10Created page with "'''ITBCT''' is a trivial brainfuck substitution based on '''The Number Twelve Looks Like You''''s track "If These Bullets Could Talk" + Increments the memory cell. If the first character if the statment is W, the rest of the lyrics are printed to add +1 to the cell per char < 1785957634 387861 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Best of luck. I can't bring myself to care much about centaur projects; they all seem unhinged in some way. < 1785957677 639174 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, this one definitely is, but now it has an implementation, which means we can prove that it's unhinged, as opposed to merely speculate about how it would be unhinged if it existed > 1785957687 66197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ViktorChampion14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188245&oldid=188186 5* 03ViktorChampion 5* (-8430) 10Replaced content with "Hello, I'm '''Viktor_Champion''', i made '''ArrowPrint'''. That's all :D" > 1785957753 513257 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188246&oldid=188190 5* 03Miui 5* (+24) 10/* dubious pages i wrote */ < 1785958066 656904 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the online intererpreter keeps freezing and/or running out of memory, and even when it doesn't do that, I can't figure out the rules of what works and what doesn't > 1785958236 808786 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ViktorChampion14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188247&oldid=188245 5* 03ViktorChampion 5* (+97) 10 > 1785959047 531739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ArrowPrint14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188248&oldid=188243 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1296) 10 < 1785959216 566704 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :cu < 1785959647 542391 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, yesterday we had no implementation, which meant we couldn't tell much about the language. Now we have *two* implementations for some reason, one in client-side javascript, the other in python. So it's worth to reexamine this. > 1785959808 766685 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:ArrowPrint14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188249&oldid=188248 5* 03ViktorChampion 5* (+2356) 10 < 1785961850 120900 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1785961891 83406 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Best of luck. I can't bring myself to care much about centaur projects; they all seem unhinged in some way. ← although this is true, the unhinged isn't exactly out of place on esolangs.org < 1785961902 36101 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we had a substantial amount of slop there even before LLMs were invented < 1785962019 756494 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am not sure what to do about someone using the talk page purely as a relay for LLM output < 1785962028 855401 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Oh I finally reached the endgame in the manufacturer mode in shapez 2. It does feel a bit different from the standard ("classic") game mode, for one because you deliver to buildings that you can build (trade and research stations), and secondly because there's a pretty long pipeline of trades you have to make to obtain shapes of the final shape type. Some of those trades are at a loss,... < 1785962029 755514 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, that's fair. I guess I mean unhinged like cults. Like self-destructive delusion. < 1785962034 844997 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(especially given that I don't see why an LLM would have any more idea how the language works than a human would) < 1785962034 862609 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...so you have to scale up earlier stages quite a bit. < 1785962349 744664 :svm!~msv@user/msv QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1785962367 129947 :msv!~msv@user/msv JOIN #esolangs msv :msv < 1785962368 960437 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Anyway, the upshot is that it makes the game more complex and you can, if you want to, optimize the late game designs endlessly, more so than with a fixed set of operator shapes to deliver and MAMs. < 1785962444 839688 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And they added a harder version recently, I wonder how they did that... I imagine less favorable ratios and more complex shapes to make for trades.) < 1785962627 855189 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh how about a screenshot: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez2-vga.jpg < 1785962701 396882 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(All this is to support the big orange thing in front, though some parts are a bit overbuilt for that, and also I mostly tried to not make a complete mess; this can be optimized significantly) < 1785962770 953983 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: pong < 1785962808 359656 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so is the big orange thing the rocket silo? < 1785962811 218825 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but you can see a trading pipeling: it starts with green (not visible), which is traded for yellow, then cyan, then magenta, then white, then black, and that gives an ingredient for the orange thing. < 1785962839 297053 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: It's like that, yeah. < 1785963013 242501 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's an achievement for launching it 2001 times... at maybe a minute per launch if it's fully saturated? It'll be a while (but you can have several of them) < 1785963092 777134 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: There's also another MAM to make, using the 10 new basic shape types (which can't be painted)... so that's another thing you'll need the full trading pipeline for. < 1785963125 33996 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Optional though... I'm not yet decided whether I'll bother. < 1785963962 236161 :Mrsommer!~mrsommer@2a02-a452-6df7-0-fc7-22cb-a450-492f.fixed6.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1785963986 821589 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: a randomized goal that's harder than the one that includes crystals? I see < 1785964061 827239 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know whether they mix in crystals with that too. < 1785964109 903373 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But regardless it's harder in an independent direction, namely having to select from 15 rather than 5 shapes. (Where one of the shapes is bare pins.) < 1785964170 177400 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which I think is mostly a layout challenge... you have more stuff to feed into it. < 1785964179 199154 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Into the MAM that is. < 1785964216 296904 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ideally while keeping critical paths short. < 1785964264 509771 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway. It is an interesting game mode. < 1785964485 830093 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1785964634 624020 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Oh one source of complexity is that some of the trading stations (the earlier ones) have several variants with different ingredients and different ratios. It's not immediately obvious what the best choice is (to get a better trade on the special shapes you'll have to put in more work and ingredients that are normal shapes and colors) < 1785965100 848870 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice < 1785965115 538987 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's a good thing for an advanced game mode < 1785965172 118872 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway. I'll try the hard version of it eventually. But first I want to collect 4 achievements from the "classic" (original) hard mode. < 1785965256 925351 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen < 1785967147 746443 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths < 1785968169 899474 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1785969608 132607 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1785970417 52148 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen > 1785970533 558062 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:GraysonLaux14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=188250 5* 03GraysonLaux 5* (+194) 10Created page with "Hi! My name is Grayson Laux and i like making esolangs! My ever growing list of esolangs i made are * CRAZYLANG thats kinda it xD i will make more in the future though because its honestly fun" > 1785970799 723638 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CRAZYLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=188251&oldid=188232 5* 03GraysonLaux 5* (+56) 10/* Variable Modification */ < 1785971342 34933 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1785972114 104808 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen < 1785973614 157079 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1785973981 81939 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1785974268 108709 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1785974322 310117 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1785974348 173452 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life