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00:06:21 <esolangs> [[FFFF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189243&oldid=169701 * RainbowDash * (-855) Make it much simpiler.
00:08:18 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189244&oldid=189138 * Miui * (+37) /* dubious pages i wrote */ found another one of my weird things i madee
00:13:01 <esolangs> [[FFFF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189245&oldid=189243 * RainbowDash * (-2) /* Example FSM encoding. */
00:46:29 <esolangs> [[Annotations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189246&oldid=187142 * Miui * (+0) /* High-level overview */ apostrophe
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00:58:17 <ais523> korvo: are you aware of the Allais Paradox? (I saw you writing about humans violating the predictions of economics, and I think the Allais Paradox is an extremely good model for this, so I'd be interested to know your thoughts if you've already had any)
01:18:49 <esolangs> [[Talk:Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189247&oldid=188592 * None1 * (+375) /* The celebration text in the index and about pages are of different sizes */ new section
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02:01:06 <ais523> oh, and one correction: "the generalized study of conversations between mutually-distrusting parties is named after Byzantine generals" → although this is true, it doesn't reflect anything about Byzantium in particular, rather the theory was originally named after a contemporary country and then renamed after a nation that no longer exists in order to avoid causing offence
02:01:31 <ais523> but I think the only reason to choose Byzantium was that, given that it no longer exists, there are no Byzantines available to complain about the naming
02:01:57 <ais523> this has almost certainly done lots of damage to the reputation of Byzantium – for ages I thought there was a better reason for the naming
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02:29:08 <esolangs> [[Machines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189249&oldid=181354 * PrySigneToFry * (+38)
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02:35:26 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189251&oldid=189244 * Miui * (+17) /* drafts */ strike dyads
02:43:10 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189252&oldid=189251 * Miui * (+39) gave up on ton
02:43:24 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189253&oldid=189252 * Miui * (+0) /* = gave up on */ fix stupid thing
03:00:40 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189254&oldid=189253 * Miui * (+84) Link Piet to langs bio
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03:26:40 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189255&oldid=189210 * Cordership * (+0) /* Factorials */
03:29:46 <esolangs> [[Simpl]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189256&oldid=189255 * Cordership * (+41) /* Syntax */
03:39:00 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189257&oldid=189231 * None1 * (+1) /* Can you prove computatioal class for esolang +*-? */
03:44:18 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189258&oldid=189257 * Ais523 * (+658) /* Can you prove computational class for esolang +*-? */ it isn't TC, because you can't read the counters if they both get too far from zero, so you only usefully have one infinite counter
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04:56:13 <esolangs> [[Talk:Interpret Esolangs Online]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189260&oldid=189247 * None1 * (+333) /* The celebration text in the index and about pages are of different sizes */
04:56:36 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189261&oldid=188945 * Cordership * (+115) /* XKCD Random Number */
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04:59:27 <esolangs> [[User:Cordership/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189264&oldid=188553 * Cordership * (+206) /* What */
04:59:34 <esolangs> [[+*-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189265&oldid=188518 * None1 * (+363)
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06:53:45 <korvo> ais523: I did not know about the Allais paradox, thanks! FWIW my attack would be a bit more direct; I'd start with e.g. the marshmallow test and other tests of willpower, delayed satisfaction, and ability to plan for the future. The ability to save a marshmallow for later is, psychologically, a miniature replica of the ability to save a dollar for later.
06:56:05 <korvo> I like your nuance about Byzantium. I'm filing that next to the story about the slave with the shaved head. The historically-accurate part, which I didn't directly describe, is that Polybius covers the difficulty of knowing who you're conversing with; Polybius also published the first serious encryption technique, although he didn't invent it.
06:56:35 <korvo> TBH that entire essay is a hot mess. It might have meant something half a decade ago, but I failed to actually draft it at the time.
06:57:40 <korvo> Hm. I was going to stub [[trivial Deadfish substitution]] today but ended up busy instead. CLV, I guess.
07:05:06 <esolangs> [[Talk:Safeword]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189269&oldid=189259 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+124)
07:06:11 <esolangs> [[Apraxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189270&oldid=179963 * Yayimhere2(school) * (-3) /* Combinators */
07:06:40 <esolangs> [[Apraxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189271&oldid=189270 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+1) /* Combinators */
07:07:22 <esolangs> [[Apraxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189272&oldid=189271 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+34) /* Examples */
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07:33:28 <esolangs> [[Crazy J]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189273&oldid=188087 * Blashyrkh * (-26) /* Church numerals */ Shorter IJ expression for Church number 8 (33 > 21)
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08:07:38 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189274&oldid=189261 * Dragoneater67 * (-115) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/189261|189261]] by [[Special:Contributions/Cordership|Cordership]] ([[User talk:Cordership|talk]]) it doesnt work
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08:41:47 <b_jonas> "Polybius covers the difficulty of knowing who you're conversing with" => makes sense, given that there's a well-known story about someone bribing someone else's messengers who bring news from the oracle of Delphoi to claim that she gave a different prediction from the real one
08:53:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189276&oldid=189275 * PkmnQ * (+350) /* Can you prove computational class for esolang +*-? */
09:07:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:End]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189277&oldid=189242 * Mutasimos * (+490)
09:13:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:End]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189278&oldid=189277 * Mutasimos * (-111)
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12:15:37 <esolangs> [[Combinatory logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189279&oldid=188763 * Bobby Jacobs * (+0) This expression for C appears within some of the other expressions.
13:20:21 <esolangs> [[Combinatory logic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189280&oldid=189279 * PkmnQ * (-22) /* Table of combinators */
13:28:51 <esolangs> [[User:Miui]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189281&oldid=189254 * Miui * (-315) /* drafts */ clear blanks
13:29:31 <esolangs> [[ton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189282&oldid=186759 * Miui * (-14623) blanked, gave up
14:07:29 <esolangs> [[User:Cordership/Python programs]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189283 * Cordership * (+363) Created page with "Primes from 1 to 100: <pre> print(2) print(3) print(5) print(7) for x in range(1, 101): if x % 2 != 0: if x % 3 != 0: if x % 5 != 0: if x % 7 != 0: print(x) else:
14:23:17 <esolangs> [[User:RaiseAfloppaFan3925]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189284&oldid=189219 * RaiseAfloppaFan3925 * (+842) /* news? */
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15:19:01 <HackEso> [U+2018 LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK] [U+2019 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK]
15:28:00 <b_jonas> yeah, I use those. “‘’” for English; „»«” for Hungarian
15:28:35 <int-e> FWIW, context is this glorious check for sufficient Unicode support: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/0v5reD4P
15:37:51 <shachaf> It looks like the history of this was that it was specifically added to check whether it can print those specific quote characters, and then once that was in there it was expanded to other Unicode checks.
15:41:32 <int-e> TBF any user who can round-trip ‘’ but not all the rest of unicode is likely to be so used to encoding problems that they probably won't raise a stink ;)
15:42:53 <esolangs> [[Dig straight down like an idiot]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189285&oldid=160924 * Bangyen * (-99)
15:48:47 <esolangs> [[ASCII art]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189286&oldid=129595 * Bangyen * (-99)
15:55:28 <b_jonas> int-e: I'm not sure. CP1252 has encodings for those single quotes, and it can occurr as a locale encoding on Windows. Though in the context that this checks, maybe the 437-like code pages such as IBM850 are more likely to be used, and those don't encode the single quote.
15:55:56 <int-e> b_jonas: Note that I'm not saying that the check is sound.
16:27:33 <esolangs> [[Cubik]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189287&oldid=184916 * Fabiot * (-12)
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16:46:40 <korvo> b_jonas: https://corbinsimpson.com/words/power-relations.html This pile of...something. I had the emotional compulsion to write it out, but I still don't know how I feel about all of it. Doesn't help that the writing circles I shared it with all gave zero feedback.
16:48:25 <korvo> (I've been examining the power structures of communities who I share it with. This IRC channel is a quiet little Autocracy. The wiki is an extremely permissive Autocracy which hasn't really sharpened itself to the point of having a culture worth protecting.)
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18:27:49 <esolangs> [[Keys]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189291&oldid=139739 * Bangyen * (-99)
18:31:04 <int-e> I hate that I have to add site:python.org whenever I'm looking for python library documentation by keywords
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18:34:58 <Everything> int-e: just mirror it and grep locally
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18:38:07 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Fuse Theory(Esoteric Guage Theory)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189292&oldid=188299 * Miui * (+356) way over my head, added something related to the number 73
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20:11:00 <esolangs> [[Trivial deadfish substitution]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189295 * Corbin * (+2281) Stub a new direction in organizing some of the junk languages. I hate wikitables. Examples copied from [[deadfish]].
20:14:04 <esolangs> [[Trivial deadfish substitution]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189296&oldid=189295 * Corbin * (+10) /* Five-command */ Sakana isn't literally TDS; rather, a restricted set of five Sakana commands is both valid Sakana and also the basis for a TDS.
20:22:18 <esolangs> [[F!--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189297&oldid=126723 * Corbin * (+102) Identify TDS.
20:23:36 <esolangs> [[Pete mort]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189298&oldid=144205 * Corbin * (+46) Identify TDS.
20:26:44 <esolangs> [[Siyu]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189299&oldid=165347 * Corbin * (+79) Identify TDS.
20:28:42 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189300&oldid=140055 * Corbin * (+38) Identify TDS.
20:29:28 <esolangs> [[Trivial deadfish substitution]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189301&oldid=189296 * Corbin * (+2) Fix header levels.
20:35:01 <esolangs> [[Trivial deadfish substitution]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189302&oldid=189301 * Corbin * (+20) /* Four-command */ Found that two more supposed TDSs are actually variations (technically [[esoteric subset]]s)
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20:53:46 <esolangs> [[Trivial substitution]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189303&oldid=185517 * Corbin * (+90) Oh, we got ''both'' families of trivial substitutions: brainfuck ''and'' deadfish.
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21:19:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189305&oldid=189304 * Splot-dev * (+270) Added command for None1 to try.
21:21:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189306&oldid=189305 * Splot-dev * (-409) Undo
21:37:44 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Splot-dev * uploaded "[[File:Splotbf benchmark.png]]": This is the code for a benchmark for my splotbf brainf interpreter.
21:39:57 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev/splotbf/benchmark]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=189308 * Splot-dev * (+615) Created page with "Code for the benchmark for my splotbf brainf interpreter! <pre> from time import perf_counter, sleep import pexpect # docs https://pexpect.readthedocs.io/ start = perf_counter() child = pexpect.spawn('bf dbfi.b') # you'll need the dbfi file sl
21:40:41 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev/splotbf/benchmark]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189309&oldid=189308 * Splot-dev * (+67) Bold note
21:42:07 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev/splotbf/benchmark]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189310&oldid=189309 * Splot-dev * (+232) More notes
21:45:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189311&oldid=189306 * Splot-dev * (+169) Added benchmark code
21:47:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189312&oldid=189311 * Splot-dev * (+179) formatting
21:47:54 <esolangs> [[File:Splotbf benchmark.png]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189313&oldid=189307 * Splot-dev * (+52) https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_speed_test
21:48:26 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev/splotbf/benchmark]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189314&oldid=189310 * Splot-dev * (+52) https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_speed_test
21:49:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189315&oldid=189312 * Splot-dev * (+38) Update note
21:52:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189316&oldid=189315 * Splot-dev * (-148) More concise
21:52:49 <esolangs> [[User:Splot-dev/splotbf/benchmark]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=189317&oldid=189314 * Splot-dev * (+3) newlines
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