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> 1788057538 190963 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hammy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191439&oldid=182637 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+13) 10This polyglot also works in FlamePL.
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< 1788060353 66177 :None1!~None1@50.7.251.122 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is esolangs.org down again?
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< 1788060913 198139 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :works fine on my end
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> 1788062226 743438 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtlefuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191446 5* 03None1 5* (+1371) 10Created page with "'''Turtlefuck''' is an esolang based on [[brainfuck]] that allows you to do simple graphics with a turtle. It's invented by [[User:None1]].  ==Memory== Turtlefuck uses an unbounded tape with wrapping bytes. All cells are initialized to zero. ===Unit for angles=== Becau
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> 1788063339 86640 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtlefuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191459&oldid=191455 5* 03None1 5* (+1660) 10/* Examples */
> 1788063558 911094 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[079 trits, 19683 trytes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191460&oldid=191432 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+63) 10This action doesn't mean anything. Let it be there. Do not mention my works again.
> 1788063612 660571 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtlefuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191461&oldid=191459 5* 03None1 5* (+8) 10/* Python */
> 1788063657 385959 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtlefuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191462&oldid=191461 5* 03None1 5* (+50) 10/* Examples */
> 1788064427 424658 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Usernames14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191463&oldid=191425 5* 03Miui 5* (-41) 10change my command
> 1788064491 56046 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Usernames14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191464&oldid=191463 5* 03Miui 5* (+45) 10find another way to approximate Pi
> 1788064539 660630 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03None1 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Turtlefuck square.png10]]"
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> 1788064629 164612 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtlefuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191468&oldid=191467 5* 03None1 5* (+7) 10/* Draw a square */
> 1788064640 815478 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtlefuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191469&oldid=191468 5* 03None1 5* (+6) 10/* Draw a circle */
> 1788064673 911498 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtlefuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191470&oldid=191469 5* 03None1 5* (+47) 10/* Implementations */  See also
> 1788064877 591031 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck extensions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191471&oldid=149107 5* 03None1 5* (+49) 10
> 1788065200 70034 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtlefuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191472&oldid=191470 5* 03None1 5* (-2) 10/* Python */
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> 1788065683 684386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtlefuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191474&oldid=191472 5* 03None1 5* (-3) 10/* Commands */
> 1788066376 78460 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07+-)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191475&oldid=169775 5* 03None1 5* (+2) 10/* Calcuate 65 */
> 1788066993 995970 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:++14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191476 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1) 10Created page with "?"
> 1788067295 770328 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191477&oldid=191476 5* 03Miui 5* (-1) 10Blanked the page
> 1788067358 644058 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jail system makes no sense14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191478&oldid=182644 5* 03None1 5* (-2399) 10Replaced content with "{{delete|Unrelated to esolangs}}"
> 1788067399 833681 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jail system is Turing-complete14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191479&oldid=132495 5* 03None1 5* (-725) 10Replaced content with "{{delete|Unrelated to esolangs}}"
> 1788067676 10478 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191480&oldid=191400 5* 03None1 5* (+515) 10/* Page deletion requests */ new section
> 1788069324 44011 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlamePL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191481&oldid=191330 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+980) 10
> 1788069570 811266 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlamePL/Python Interpreter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191482&oldid=191168 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+8614) 10
> 1788069708 409722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FlamePL/Python Interpreter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191483&oldid=191429 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+24) 10
> 1788070603 900447 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Overshoot Dirac Delta14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191484&oldid=191352 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+1273) 10
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< 1788070707 500809 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :HELLO!
< 1788070787 311314 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Morning.
< 1788070845 335260 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: how are ya doing?
< 1788070858 468956 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also heres the lang I talked about before I left yesterday: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Overshoot_Dirac_Delta
> 1788070928 175975 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Copyright makes no sense14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191485&oldid=182645 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-12742) 10After a thorough internal discussion, we have decided to remove this article. Our reasoning is that the article in its current form has no practical or artistic value, does not provide enough new information to inspire or enlighten readers, and creates confu
> 1788070978 834128 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Copyright makes no sense14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191486&oldid=191485 5* 03Corbin 5* (+12742) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/191485|191485]] by [[Special:Contributions/Hakerh400|Hakerh400]] ([[User talk:Hakerh400|talk]]): Sorry, this is still gut-bustingly funny.
< 1788071010 606694 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :quickest undo ive seens
< 1788071016 616013 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not pleased with myself. I burned a fascist, but I was messy and aggressive about it. They got spooked and started deleting evidence.
< 1788071029 528908 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I happened to be here and it happens to still be a funny page.
< 1788071058 545626 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, fascist got burnt, which is great, and their project (neovim) is now dragged into the sunlight, but I'm rightfully being blamed for making this harder than it had to be.
< 1788071077 916615 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :who's the fascist?
> 1788071119 998452 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hakerh400/Angel problem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191487&oldid=189290 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+818) 10/* Alternative formulations */
< 1788071131 199854 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I swear Hakerh400 has to be a shared project. They exclusively use we for themselves
< 1788071151 133540 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Justin M. Keyes, see https://programming.dev/post/55693999 for lots of discussion.
< 1788071163 569544 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Meh, some people are plural, let them use whatever pronouns they like.
< 1788071177 665089 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1788071236 591198 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(im not saying somebody cant use we, it just really seems like it for whatever reason)
< 1788071250 679735 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(ah wait, "internal discussion" refers to the talk page! well great)
< 1788071263 144942 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, it sounds like you're having fun learning about audio engineering.
< 1788071296 732754 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it actually wasn't that it was inspired by, funnily enough
< 1788071356 392481 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it comes from a habit of mine, in which I'll imagine a drum pattern in my head, and then count that pattern on my fingers(i.e the number of transients, wrapping around when I read the end of amount of fingers), and got curious on some things
> 1788071492 703494 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191488&oldid=190772 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+933) 10/* Interactive theorem provers */ New theorem prover idea
> 1788071581 815502 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191489&oldid=191488 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+0) 10/* Interactive theorem provers */ Typo
> 1788072187 304719 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Semi-serious language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191490&oldid=191387 5* 03None1 5* (+15) 10/* R */
> 1788072454 462251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191491&oldid=191443 5* 03AeroPurple 5* (+206) 10More interesting quirks to keep in mind
> 1788072576 870895 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191492&oldid=191491 5* 03AeroPurple 5* (+140) 10/* Checking if a bit is set */ Clarification on the budding scaffolding
> 1788072685 125536 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vines14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191493&oldid=191492 5* 03AeroPurple 5* (+17) 10/* Checking if a bit is set */ More comments
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> 1788072817 381759 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Marcus 2n214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191494&oldid=190986 5* 03Marcus 2n2 5* (+69) 10/* Esolangs (3 so far) */
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> 1788073416 792968 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Aadenboy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191496&oldid=189240 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+383) 10
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> 1788076999 945519 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtlefuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191499&oldid=191474 5* 03None1 5* (+15) 10/* See also */
> 1788077256 460059 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TurtleScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191500&oldid=185988 5* 03None1 5* (+32) 10/* See Also */
> 1788078120 649350 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Turtlefuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191501 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+126) 10Created page with "New challenge - graphical quine, eh? --~~~~"
> 1788080249 204669 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtlefuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191502&oldid=191499 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */ % -> s
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> 1788081702 151533 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:BF Joust strategies14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191503&oldid=191293 5* 03None1 5* (+417) 10/* Dead links */  Finished
> 1788081835 892453 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191504&oldid=191458 5* 03None1 5* (+25) 10
> 1788082558 959363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Turtlefuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191505&oldid=191501 5* 03Mrtli08 5* (+70) 10
< 1788082771 390395 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
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> 1788083195 1396 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:FlamePL/Python Interpreter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191506&oldid=191483 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+144) 10
> 1788084165 543262 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pi(e)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191507&oldid=136295 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+63) 10Tag as a CL (Constant language)
> 1788084237 736482 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chomp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191508&oldid=109086 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+93) 10categorization
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< 1788084436 694308 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :poking our head back in
> 1788084441 611206 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07KofThatChickonBonkHeadAndEatITAfterDinnerWithTHeKids0rElseWEwIllDiE,S0PleseDoITForUSWhiLeWestillAreALIVEPLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191509&oldid=163095 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+134) 10categorization, plus joke languages still belong in Category:Languages if they "resemble" a language, esoteric or not. w
< 1788084442 374362 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: wait who was the fash tho
< 1788084443 679906 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're curious
< 1788084500 888799 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hold on wait another thing about that edit
< 1788084529 455991 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"plus joke languages still belong in Category:Languages if they "resemble" a language, esoteric or not."
< 1788084541 511846 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wouldnt that fill the Category:Languages with joke langs
< 1788084541 559097 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:b0e1:66ce:dc4a:1fe6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah idk what i meant by that sorry
< 1788084549 188901 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wha
< 1788084549 998495 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its okay
< 1788084569 424586 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:b0e1:66ce:dc4a:1fe6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i guess that means if a joke language still has some qualities of a language, like commands, which [i'm not gonna type all of that] does have
< 1788084572 983582 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:b0e1:66ce:dc4a:1fe6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it can still do some computation
< 1788084582 957030 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ya but
> 1788084602 739522 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cav14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191510&oldid=151076 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+98) 10categorization
< 1788084603 302165 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if joke langs deserve the Category:Languages category then you wouldnt be able to sort serious languages by it
< 1788084622 437684 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:b0e1:66ce:dc4a:1fe6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes sense
< 1788084623 429678 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there'd have to be a Category:Non-joke Languages or something
< 1788084632 74615 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which would be, kinda bogus
< 1788084688 847259 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:b0e1:66ce:dc4a:1fe6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i guess the line is kinda thin because joke languages are still languages in the sense that they are (at least most of the time) but you'd also want to be able to sift through non-joke languages only
< 1788084730 755114 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1788084741 953854 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres still the word 'language' in 'joke language'
< 1788084757 684117 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :being a joke doesnt deprive a lang of being usable
< 1788084766 640434 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps that is what Category:Unusable for programming is for
< 1788084770 267766 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:b0e1:66ce:dc4a:1fe6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :good point
< 1788084817 762659 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:b0e1:66ce:dc4a:1fe6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some joke languages like two i made are usable for programming, but i still made them as a joke
< 1788084824 257618 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1788084835 449979 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so theyre joke langs, but not unusable
< 1788084836 864968 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:b0e1:66ce:dc4a:1fe6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*to some extent, they don't have to be TC but they were made as jokes
< 1788084846 595111 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:b0e1:66ce:dc4a:1fe6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But still usable to some extent
< 1788084849 545878 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ya such as how a serious language doesnt have to be tc to be a real language
< 1788084908 83782 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also we actually just went through the talk page for [[Copyright makes no sense]]
< 1788084915 805523 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:b0e1:66ce:dc4a:1fe6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess this would mean we need a more strict definition of what a "joke" language is, because creating an entirely new category is kind of crazy
< 1788084930 812746 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :meh
< 1788084951 942380 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think having a joke lang just be a language made with the intention of a joke works well enough already
> 1788084954 592817 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CATASTROPHICA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191511&oldid=162035 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+86) 10categorization
< 1788084980 757089 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you wanna filter by joke langs which you could use, you could just search for Category:Joke Languages -Category:Unusable for programming
< 1788084991 133563 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :or however you write out omitting a certain category in wiki talk
< 1788084993 304318 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:b0e1:66ce:dc4a:1fe6 PRIVMSG #esolangs :good point
< 1788085038 705830 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: holy shit they really tried using logic to try and counter that page
< 1788085070 402119 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like its so dumb BECAUSE its applying strict formulaic logic to an obviously political issue
< 1788085084 682847 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also because its so off topic to esolanging
< 1788085095 837617 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like its so easy to refute if you just dont give a fuck about what theyre actually saying
< 1788085289 324076 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh also its ai generated
> 1788085337 383513 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gloosh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191512&oldid=182216 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+158) 10categorization and formatting, mark as stub
< 1788085492 466288 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we'll log off for now but we'll still be paying attention to the juicy fash bash story korvo apparently has
< 1788085501 607983 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we'll be stalking (:
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> 1788086001 568045 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sigma Cortex14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191514 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2707) 10+[[Sigma Cortex]]
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> 1788086070 505047 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Simpl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191517&oldid=191513 5* 03Cordership 5* (+148) 10/* Inheritance and polymorphism: */
> 1788086114 139779 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sigma Cortex14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191518&oldid=191514 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-4) 10
> 1788086116 264782 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Simpl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191519&oldid=191517 5* 03Cordership 5* (+56) 10/* Syntax */
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> 1788086445 596512 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sigma Cortex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191521&oldid=191520 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-91) 10
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> 1788086583 626 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Listfunc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191522&oldid=118905 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+98) 10categorization
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> 1788086797 230758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07LambdaWreck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191524&oldid=172036 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+109) 10categorization
> 1788087172 182743 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan774114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191525&oldid=191367 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+182) 10/* sino ba ako */
> 1788087242 85689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sigma Cortex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191526&oldid=191521 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1) 10
> 1788087613 547951 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tonk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191527&oldid=191340 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+591) 10/* Implementing */ I mean, you could just use the game server and rework it into a zero-player game, the main difficulty is making it in another language other than JavaScript.
< 1788087728 553854 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:5d33:c50c:34ce:c7a5 QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
> 1788087955 790109 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tonk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191528&oldid=191527 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+644) 10/* Team players */ "Human" players have smarter AI than AI players
> 1788088013 558188 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tonk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191529&oldid=191528 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+116) 10clarify that this is more like a zero-player game than a programming language
> 1788088536 273610 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tonk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191530&oldid=191529 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+971) 10/* Map */
> 1788088586 142527 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Cordership14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191531&oldid=190401 5* 03Cordership 5* (+48) 10/* Links */
> 1788088708 258010 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tonk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191532&oldid=191530 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+191) 10/* Team players */ Clarify the long removed AI name
> 1788088734 812686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tonk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191533&oldid=191532 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+44) 10add notes/references section
> 1788088845 602113 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Simpl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191534&oldid=191519 5* 03Cordership 5* (+107) 10/* Syntax */
> 1788090758 191366 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Jail system makes no sense10]]": offtopic
> 1788090855 36854 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Jail system is Turing-complete10]]": this isn't a description of an esolang
> 1788090869 390118 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:MY E KEY BROKE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191535&oldid=191317 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+644) 10my e key un-broke
< 1788091036 35990 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
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> 1788091495 106576 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Copyright makes no sense14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191536&oldid=182629 5* 03Ais523 5* (+433) 10I think this is offtopic
> 1788091586 456591 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SStak14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191537 5* 03AlessandroMarp 5* (+4103) 10Created page with ":''Not to be confused with [[SStack]].''  '''SStak''' is a stack-based [[:Category:Languages|programming language]] created by Alessandro Marpino in 2026. It is interpreted, uses reverse Polish notation, and was written as a first exercise in language design. The r
> 1788091801 606470 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Recursive sleeping14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191538&oldid=126572 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+141) 10categorization
> 1788091913 98275 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07InfuckBra14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191539&oldid=149224 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+145) 10categorization
> 1788092007 389580 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stack whack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191540&oldid=159911 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+68) 10categorization
> 1788092846 852777 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07XPML1714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191541&oldid=76548 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+2078) 10categorization and add some details. Also, the refimpl is a dead link :C
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< 1788094185 760800 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: other people's similar experience to the high pointless traffic that the esowiki gets: https://people.kernel.org/monsieuricon/creepy-crawlies
> 1788094437 520066 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191542&oldid=191391 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+2129) 10Add implementations column
> 1788094507 893710 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191543&oldid=191542 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+0) 10/* ConstantLanguage() */ fix mistake
< 1788094749 300109 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. Shallow clones are costly? Interesting.
< 1788094784 40448 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But yeah, lots of parallels to find.
> 1788095057 995720 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:I am islptng/Draft14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191544&oldid=171076 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+2053) 10
< 1788095069 567995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, maybe that's not surprising: git and mediawiki both are version control systems :)
< 1788095117 463223 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Interesting to learn that Anubis doesn't work that well any more, though.
< 1788095130 148053 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :unsurprising
< 1788095166 209651 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :both fundamentally, but also: residential proxies means you don't necessarily even pay for the compute
< 1788095398 883485 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"proxies" hehe
< 1788095413 825268 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is a charitable way to call it
< 1788095610 185719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The distinction to a bot is that the owner agreed (with varying degrees of dark patterns in the process). IIUC one form of these is people selling free internet; you get a router, they pay for your internet plan, but the router also acts as an intermediate (see me not calling it a proxy ;-) ) for third parties...
< 1788095661 985676 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :That said, botnets are probably in the mix too.
> 1788095702 438818 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191545&oldid=191195 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+414) 10
< 1788095750 786748 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: not that the distinction really matters to the crawlees.
> 1788096737 528616 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MY E KEY BROKE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191546&oldid=191313 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+127) 10
> 1788096995 633204 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191547&oldid=191543 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-119) 10/* ConstantLanguage() */ not the same output you stupid, how can you possibly think that
> 1788097322 609170 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:MY E KEY BROKE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191548&oldid=191535 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+218) 10
> 1788097338 297411 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:MY E KEY BROKE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191549&oldid=191548 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+1) 10
< 1788097432 59463 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the situation is quite sad. if you had asked me four years ago, I would have told you that more people should download entire websites into local archives, even private ones that they don't redistricute. now I got that wish granted but in a really unhelpful way. and on some websites (not on the esowiki or kernel.org ), the gates that the websites put up make it hard for me to download their data.
< 1788097510 50252 :amby!~ambylastn@46.162.147.147.dyn.plus.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname
> 1788097913 696483 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191550&oldid=191431 5* 03Miui 5* (+845) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/191421|191421]] by [[Special:Contributions/I am islptng|I am islptng]] ([[User talk:I am islptng|talk]])
> 1788098063 182525 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191551 5* 03Miui 5* (+671) 10
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> 1788098153 749990 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nah.14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191553 5* 03Miui 5* (+664) 10Nah.
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> 1788098197 192295 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191554&oldid=191552 5* 03Miui 5* (+10) 10/* Constant languages */ '''Nah.''' is the [[constant language]] {{CL|"Nah."}}. You can code anything you would like, but the language will neither compile nor process it. This unfortunately means that Nah.
> 1788098250 167423 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191555&oldid=191547 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+69) 10/* ConstantLanguage() */ Add [[Nah.]]
> 1788098263 689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nuclear launch detected.14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191556 5* 03Miui 5* (+724) 10Nuclear launch detected.
> 1788098263 672203 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191557&oldid=191555 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+1) 10
> 1788098282 208677 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191558&oldid=191554 5* 03Miui 5* (+30) 10/* Constant languages */ Nuclear_launch_detected.
> 1788098333 293310 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191559&oldid=191557 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+110) 10/* ConstantLanguage() */ Add [[Nuclear launch detected.]]
> 1788098409 298571 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191560&oldid=191558 5* 03Miui 5* (+70) 10/* actually hilarious */ Kia_SorrentoLX_with_no_power-steering_evading_police_in_reverse
> 1788098510 677066 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191561&oldid=191395 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+241) 10
> 1788098546 853408 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07lang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191562&oldid=163968 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+1) 10/* Interpeters */  fix typo
> 1788098619 913913 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191563&oldid=191561 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+544) 10
> 1788098668 539612 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191564&oldid=191559 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+74) 10/* ConstantLanguage() */ Add 
> 1788098747 595653 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191565&oldid=191564 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+14) 10/* ConstantLanguage() */ where did I get that conclusion?
> 1788098815 973715 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:SStak14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191566 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+243) 10Created page with "i think that its possible to abuse functions to do control flow :-) --~~~~"
> 1788098861 679220 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191567&oldid=191565 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-14) 10I guess this is correct (also my left arrow key is stuck like the e key was)
> 1788098889 750352 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SStak14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191568&oldid=191537 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (-2) 10/* Overview */ fix format
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> 1788098950 848515 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191570&oldid=191560 5* 03I am islptng 5* (-64) 10Alright, if you really want that, i've fixed it.
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< 1788099576 212886 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: kernel.org said that the officially supported way to download their data is via a git clone (and that most things available via the website have corresponding git repositories)
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< 1788099643 684485 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw, I'm surprised that people haven't more widely adopted the strategy of switching from https to http in order to reduce server load: most publicly visible pages don't actually need https and it adds a lot of overhead
> 1788099676 331266 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191576&oldid=191545 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+733) 10/* Features */
< 1788099680 143075 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and I consider it a bad allocation of resources for every website on the planet to need to protect people from their own ISP, which is the only threat model that https seems to reliably prevent)
< 1788099706 664163 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…there are a lot of dodgy ISPs out there, though
> 1788099758 753114 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan774114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191577&oldid=191525 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+77) 10/* 2026 - mesmerizer */
> 1788099805 136064 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191578&oldid=191575 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+48) 10/* QuineAvoiding() */ [[No.pe.]] has interpreters there
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> 1788101825 169461 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191579&oldid=191563 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+434) 10wow there actually isn't that much constant languages here
> 1788102009 211570 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Segmentation fault14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191580&oldid=191368 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+384) 10/* Implementation */ C++ has a handful of these.
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< 1788104992 618742 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :good morninfg
> 1788105105 701058 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191586&oldid=191417 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+10) 10/* my own esolangs */
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> 1788105235 703234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Eselangs14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191588 5* 03Corbin 5* (+195) 10Created page with "We have discussed on IRC whether pages espousing latent racism are on-topic for the wiki. This page may be in scope. ~~~~"
> 1788105248 750677 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:GangLang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191589 5* 03Corbin 5* (+195) 10Created page with "We have discussed on IRC whether pages espousing latent racism are on-topic for the wiki. This page may be in scope. ~~~~"
> 1788105303 894596 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Satans Disciples GangLang $14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191590 5* 03Corbin 5* (+195) 10Created page with "We have discussed on IRC whether pages espousing latent racism are on-topic for the wiki. This page may be in scope. ~~~~"
< 1788105318 717931 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^^^ Being the bad guy.
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< 1788106719 180775 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: How do you feel about https://tom7.org/httpv/httpv.pdf ?
< 1788107765 45355 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
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< 1788108390 79512 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just had an idea: if scrapers are now solving Anubis and the like, you could give a proof-of-work-ish problem for which the answer was actually useful to you (together with some way to verify it), and then use all the scrapers as a cluster
< 1788108413 410624 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…maybe Cloudflare is using their "checking you're not a bot" challenge to mine bitcoin?
< 1788108431 986142 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so we should make the scrapers solve the halting problem or p vs np?
< 1788108445 356476 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the halting problem is known to be unsolvable
< 1788108453 587460 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :P vs. NP isn't, but it's hard to see how you would prove it by brute force
< 1788108666 670026 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: This leads to Hashcash, then to digital gold, then to Bitcoin, then to Monero. It's not a bad idea but it seems to not work out as we'd like.
< 1788108689 717918 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :See also Ted Nelson's incorrect belief that something Internet-shaped would require micropayments; in fact, micropayments were one of the parts of Project Xanadu that were never figured out.
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< 1788108781 234522 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I'm thinking more in the sense of "it's unreasonable to require a human visitor to donate a lot of CPU time to you, but the scraperbots are being unreasonable and so you can probably milk them for more CPU than would be reasonable by a human"
< 1788108803 998231 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anubis never made sense. It was always obviously going to inconvenience humans more than bots. The reason that it got popular is because its author went on a manic bender, declared themselves an important CEO who makes big plays, and a lot of nasty reactionary folks came out of the woodwork to get angry about anime girls. We support Anubis mostly to piss off the reactionaries, not because it's a good choice of component.
< 1788108833 246493 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Sadly, the only effective ways to deal with them are afoul of CFAA here, and probably afoul of similar statute over there.
< 1788108861 981856 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :We live in a society that assumes and requires good faith, and punishes anybody who refuses to offer good faith to clearly-malicious interlocutors.
< 1788108868 394425 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, it got popular because a) it has good marketing and b) people needed *something* to avoid the site going down from scraper load and it did work for at least a while
< 1788108935 48420 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :On (b), again, there's the implicit constraint that we are following the law. A scaper who is knocking over their targets is *not* following the law. There's no technological solution to the asymmetry of responsible behavior vs criminal behavior.
< 1788108972 815014 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I think you're missing the point – the site owners don't care whether the scrapers are following the law or not, they care about their site not going down under an unmanageable amount of load
< 1788108994 644807 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: *And* The site owners care about *the site owners* following the law.
< 1788109030 253766 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: probably they do, but I don't think that's relevant, in the sense that I think non-illegal means for blocking scrapers are likely to be much more effective than illegal means
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< 1788109083 917054 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, Anubis has been known to be offloadable to accelerators for at least 18mo or so: https://github.com/sleeyax/anubis-solver When pressed, Anubis' author will admit that it's not meant to actually deny any access, but to punish bots who use dishonest user-agent advertisements.
< 1788109096 734151 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :indeed
< 1788109128 107061 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :when it first came out, what mattered wasn't whether it was accelerable (it clearly was) but whether the scrapers had accelerators
< 1788109131 655886 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they didn't at the time, they likely do now
< 1788109154 404697 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Nah, if we were allowed, we could just take any frontier lab offline. As the bots themselves are demonstrating, the typical deployed OS is riddled with dozens of memory vulns and can be taken over by an RNG. Frontier labs aren't magically more secure, especially the ones that offer Web services.
< 1788109174 757964 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: what makes you think that frontier labs are directly doing the scraping?
< 1788109187 679862 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The main reason that the Internet's not constantly hacked apart is good faith and law.
< 1788109209 893608 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think identifying the entity or entities that are responsible for overscraping (in the sense of "attacking the entity would stop the scraping") is likely to be extremely difficult
< 1788109213 188493 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I don't see why that would put them out of range, TBH.
< 1788109249 880528 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sorry if I'm approaching this from sort of a basic angle, BTW. There's nothing wrong with PoW, but it's not at all new, so I'm double-checking that we're on the same page WRT the phenomenon in question.
< 1788109287 387730 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I actually don't think PoW is the part of Anbuis that's relevant to stopping scraping
< 1788109331 935583 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it forces the scrapers to special-case it, *that's* the relevant part (but is undermined if it becomes too widely used)
< 1788109371 447050 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: would you be milking the GPU capacity of the scraperbot in some useful way, eg. mine bitcoin using hashes on GPU, or would you be finding some task that requires lots of computation but can be farmed out to visitors' CPU yet isn't easier on a local GPU?
< 1788109405 966158 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that if we're not going to question the presence of HTTP in the system then there's no point talking about "scraping". The entire point of the system is to service GETs, isn't it? Maybe we should be unasking the entire question of why we have to centralize the data we're trying to maintain.
< 1788109413 747513 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it's hard to think of many compute-intensive tasks that inherently require a CPU
< 1788109444 166687 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: no, servicing GETs isn't the purpose of the system, it's the mechanism via which the system operates
< 1788109451 717991 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Named Data is a serious project, for example. By no coincidence, a Named Data network only supports HTTP via encapsulation of requests and responses, freezing both in time and making them immutable.
< 1788109484 508612 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on, say, esolangs.org, the purpose of the system is to let people read about esolangs and to contribute new information about esolangs
< 1788109506 202011 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And to be scraped to death. That's Beer's axiom: the purpose of the system is what it does.
< 1788109524 724353 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :currently the Cloudfare and Google recaptcha gates bother me more than the Anubis ones
< 1788109542 993410 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think that can be right, because systems can be changed to better fit their purpose
< 1788109546 355528 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but possibly partly because I see Anubis only on a few sites
< 1788109569 214172 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :would you say that one of the purposes of esolangs.org is to require that visitors don't specify the keys of the key-value pairs in the query string in alphabetical order?
> 1788109576 218335 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Libraryfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191598 5* 03Mrtli08 5* (+515) 10Created page with "Libraryfuck is [[Brainfuck]] with libraries and is made by Mrtli08.  === How it works === It has the 8 regular BF commands plus the library stuff, which works like this: 
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< 1788109620 628791 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep! The system could have been designed to not require that, but it certainly does.
< 1788109639 406839 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :“many compute-intensive tasks that inherently require a CPU” => at least with the additional constraint that you can send the inputs and outputs through network and this throughput doesn't eat all the overhead, the latency doesn't bother you, and you don't trust the resulting answers because the other side may be malicious.
> 1788109654 59344 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Libraryfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191599&oldid=191598 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+168) 10categorization
< 1788109658 486731 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Generalizing, one of the purposes is to gatekeep write access. The gatekeeping is not really oriented around whether the writing will be any good, though. There's not really any process for improvement over time, only for change over time.
< 1788109659 5974 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: yes, ideally you want an answer that is easy to verify
< 1788109697 592710 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually I think this axiom is inherently wrong, in that it seems to imply "all systems are perfect at fulfilling their purpose" which to me is an obviously false statement
< 1788109739 328839 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It more implies something like "all designers of systems are lying to themselves, their users, and their overseers about the purpose of the system".
> 1788109751 319560 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Raiseafloppafan774114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191600&oldid=191190 5* 03Mrtli08 5* (+148) 10
> 1788109770 339424 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Raiseafloppafan774114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191601&oldid=191600 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+330) 10/* thanks */ no problem
< 1788109784 872919 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :from my point of view, you are attempting to redefine a fairly commonly used word ("purpose") to a nonstandard definition that isn't particularly useful
< 1788109797 776578 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I'm not sure why you think that doing that is beneficial
< 1788109814 576171 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's fine. From my POV, you're incredibly underread in systems theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_what_it_does
< 1788109836 564003 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And I think that you do it because you've got some metaphysics that you haven't fully examined and you allow that metaphysics to delimit what you perceive.
< 1788109871 1468 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was a recent article on this: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/come-on-obviously-the-purpose-of
< 1788109917 950936 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"allow that metaphysics to delimit what you perceive." => yeah, we're not the Guide mk. 2
< 1788109944 868397 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, but I'm also not citing Scott fucking Alexander~
< 1788110036 653472 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: fwiw, I read that Wikipedia article, I just disagree with the points attributed to Beer in it
< 1788110056 344822 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: https://gist.github.com/segyges/f540a3dadeb42f49c0b0ab4244e43a55
> 1788110104 238004 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sweat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191602&oldid=186281 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+166) 10categorization, also very cool language
< 1788110117 338746 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: That's fine. I'm sure you can imagine that I have a parade-of-horribles argument here; I can list off real-world systems, point out what they primarily do, and then ask whether that's their purpose.
< 1788110136 285731 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: the answer is usually that it's difficult to tell
< 1788110145 718948 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, maybe the stated purpose of esolangs.org is to document esolangs, but the primary purpose is to act as a graffiti wall.
< 1788110161 93014 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a system that has intentionally been designed to do X is difficult to distinguish from a system that has unintentionally been designed to do X
< 1788110175 855376 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: no, documenting esolangs is definitely not the only purpose
< 1788110187 823601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's just part of it
> 1788110318 705946 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Blashyrkh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191603&oldid=189910 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+804) 10(some of) my golfing results
< 1788110631 418578 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: So, when a system causes e.g. grievous human-rights violations as its primary effect, are we going to excuse its architects because it was unintended, because it was well-intentioned, because it was truly believed, because it was a matter of faith, because they were following good systems-design principles, ...?
< 1788110662 540750 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I think the correct approach is to look at the reactions of the architects
< 1788110681 286866 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It really grates that, rather than just *saying something* about racism on talk pages, or even doing the reasonable thing of *asking me* to leave notes on racism, you want me to be the bad guy both to you and to our young users.
< 1788110740 128110 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Oh. Their reactions in public, or their reactions in private? What does it say about those folks when they display one set of principles publically, and another when they think the public will never overhear them?
< 1788110776 612985 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(You can look up recordings of such luminaries as Mr. Reagan, Mr. Nixon, and their good friends Henry Kissinger, Roger Stone, and Lee Atwater if you want some USA examples of this.)
< 1788110787 880615 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: what matters most is actions, not private opinions
< 1788110809 720172 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So what it does, not what we say the purpose of it is to do. (In private~)
< 1788110843 803730 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at school in the UK, we were taught that it is illegal to act in a discriminatory way towards ethnic minorities, but not illegal to have private opinions on the subject, regardless of what those opinions are
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< 1788110921 920013 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I commend the school for actually teaching people to not discriminate via actions, rather than leaving it up to people to figure it out on their own)
< 1788111037 176165 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :At school in the USA, I wanted to go across the street during lunchtime to buy a slice of pizza or a baguette. But a few years in, they stopped letting students leave campus. A few years after that, they closed up the courtyard with fencing and glass, and today they require students to always be confined to specific halls when not in class.
< 1788111070 585613 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think schools may be trending in that direction here too, but extremely slowly
< 1788111077 64460 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to the extent that I'm not sure it's a real pattern
< 1788111090 418566 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Michel Foucault would have said that this is because the actual purpose of a school is to imprison teenagers and indoctrinate them into capitalism, while the stated purpose is to educate and open minds. (And I won a debate as a teen by pursuing this line of reasoning.)
< 1788111161 912703 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is, generally, a legal requirement to ensure that children do not place themselves into dangerous situations; over here, the requirement is placed on the child's parents most of the time, but while the child is at school, it is delegated to the school
< 1788111211 195106 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so schools normally attempt to make sure that they can keep an eye on the children (and the extent to which they do this may depend on how mature the child is)
< 1788111216 669876 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep, loco parentis is a thing here too. And indeed they say that the reasoning is school shooters. That's also the reason why there's a cop stationed in the school.
< 1788111235 366089 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :school shooters are almost unheard of in the UK
< 1788111274 793806 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the dangers are more things like schoolchildren getting into fights with other schoolchildren (especially ones that go to a different school), which can lead to injuries even when weapons are not involved
< 1788111304 928139 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :In practice, the purpose of the cop is to bust teens for drugs. Lately, the purpose is to bust teens for daring to be trans, autistic, furry, or queer.
< 1788111345 88883 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :A cop in a school has never actually arrested a shooting in progress. Look up the cop responses to the Uvalde shooting, for example.
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< 1788111383 733107 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you're wrong – I think the purpose of the cop is to reassure the parents
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< 1788111416 414216 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this doesn't require them to be effective at their job, it just requires the parents to perceive that they might be
< 1788111487 98718 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And fortunately teens don't have rights~ https://www.opb.org/news/article/police-schools-oregon-remove-beaverton-lake-oswego-salem-keizer/ Here in Oregon, there was a COVID-era student-led movement to remove cops from schools because the *students* did not feel reassured.
< 1788111509 566225 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure what you're trying to convince me of (if anything)
< 1788111538 483133 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :often you make a mix of statements I agree with and statements I disagree with, but can't tell where the argument is going or whether you're trying to make one
< 1788111576 182346 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Foucault would suggest that parents are only reassured to the degree that they can ensure that the school will follow through with the parent's expectations for punishment. For example, it was important to my parents that the school involuntarily medicate me in their absence. This is a hint that, like System of a Down said so many times, basically every power structure in capitalist society is prison-shaped.
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< 1788111643 248010 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Concretely? In terms of idealism, I'm hoping to liberate you from milquetoast liberalism by pointing out that we live in a society. In terms of the wiki, I'm trying to get at the roots of why it's obvious to some folks that some pages are racist, and also digging at why you were unwilling to act.
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< 1788111688 392982 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I would posit that the page is not *obviously* racist – to someone who does not have context, it is difficult to tell whether it is or not
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< 1788111704 981787 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, in terms of holding mirrors up to people, which is basically the only thing my personality can *do*, I'm hoping that you see that when you say stuff like "I think you're wrong" about the lived experience of people far away from you, that you can understand the sources of your presumptions.
< 1788111762 614087 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example, one possibility that is consistent with all the facts I currently have is "the page is making fun of gangs, but this is not specific to any particular race" (in which case deleting the page on the basis that it were racist would itself be a racist thing to do, on the basis that it would brand members of a particular race as tending to be gang members)
< 1788111800 485303 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cholo Well, those excuses are gone now.
< 1788111827 303963 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's okay to not recognize a particular slur or insult. It's okay to have to go look them up. It's okay to not know until members of the community speak up and point it out.
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< 1788111887 346467 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I wasn't even looking on that part of the page
> 1788111904 57522 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Eselangs10]]": language description contains a racial slur
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< 1788112033 666804 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am curious as to why you didn't edit the problematic part out, though (which you could have done yourself)
< 1788112059 465976 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Teach man fish, etc.
< 1788112103 166236 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, I'm not one of *those* moderators. If somebody's problematic then I'm making an example out of them.
< 1788112110 485237 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the odds that I catch such things on my own in future are very low, and the point of a wiki is that multiple p
< 1788112118 865481 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*people can cooperate in trying to improve it
< 1788112314 52944 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case, I hadn't realised until searching for the word on the page that the problem was with the description surrounding the language, not the language itself, so I was looking in the wrong place
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< 1788112648 477320 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Roommate looked over my shoulder at GangLang and said "so obviously racist. painfully racist. if somebody came up in a black or hispanic neighborhood and started talking like that, they'd get fucking shot. or accused of being a cop."
< 1788112661 939204 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So yeah, verdict is that you're really out of touch. Sorry.
< 1788112708 291701 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: this is the point I was trying to make – because I am not in touch with this I am not the right person to make decisions about this
> 1788112728 388785 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Nah.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191609&oldid=191606 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+708) 10They just wanted to create a language that prints "Nah.", though it should probably be merged with the others like it
< 1788112755 393223 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is why you need to either a) contact another admin who understands the problem better than I do, or b) start a community discussion because the community is quite likely to have people who understand the issues
< 1788112800 654302 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a lot of dysfunction is caused by people making decisions about things they don't understand
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< 1788112986 836447 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, you've got an Autocracy on your hands. If there's no other Diplomats then it's up to you to find more Autocrats until you can sustain a proper Democracy. Right now, doing anything Democratic is going to fail and I'm sure you already know that this doesn't improve with scale.
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< 1788113045 415394 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But, like, I personally am really doubting how much of that is sincere and how much of that is (c) that there's clearly a lot of deletions in scope for policy, and by not making those routine, we have seen an erosion of the *process* which would make cleanup possible. This is why I stubbed process and policy pages.
< 1788113123 411642 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Especially given that, right now, the wiki doesn't really support any sort of forward-compatibility with some non-prosaic format that can be reasonably computerized. We should think of ourselves as in a continuum with projects like PLDB, which I guess today is at http://pldb.info/
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< 1788113239 651925 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: looking after the wiki is extremely difficult for me; I attempt to do it because nobody else is and I don't want the wiki to collapse completely, but sometimes I've thought about just abandoning it
< 1788113321 231988 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are a lot of deletions that would be beneficial, but it's hard for me to make a decision about all of them unilaterally, which is why I want things like widely agreed topicality rules to help guide the decisions so that i don't need to make so many of them
< 1788113347 791852 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: You know full well that you're talking to somebody who writes new pages, organizes old pages, identifies patterns, tries to adhere to community norms, and in general would be well-qualified for additional power. We also both know full well that the main reason you won't do it is because I am 100% unafraid to delete [[language list]].
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< 1788113393 672949 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So please don't set up claims like "nobody else is [looking/willing-to-look after the wiki]" when there's clearly a healthy community of editors, including high-quality editors, including (in theory) me.
< 1788113405 16853 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: actually no, I am also planning to delete the language list at smoe point; I'm against giving you admin power because I think you would use too much of it too quickly and drive people away from the site
< 1788113422 529005 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Also, I'm not one of *those* moderators. If somebody's problematic then I'm making an example out of them. ← like that
< 1788113454 456405 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good! Be skeptical. But don't say I'm nobody.
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< 1788113471 291797 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is extremely common for someone to be initially problematic due to not understanding some aspect of how the community works, banning all such people is short-term reasonable but tends to kill a site in the medium term
< 1788113527 813143 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you write articles like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Monoid which have no clear target audience
< 1788113537 57855 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw, I also wouldn't like korvo to get wiki admin rights, even though I respect his contributions about object level programming language theory stuff
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< 1788113595 941934 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if you korvo warn ais523 about problems on the wiki, here or on the wiki, that does help make his work easier
< 1788113602 545257 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's fine. I don't mind being the bad guy as long as I can show problematic patterns by example.
< 1788113623 391681 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I am also not sure if I even have the power to make new wiki admins; I think I have the technical ability but am not sure, but this is the sort of decision that would definitely need multiple admins to agree)
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< 1788113680 446728 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, it's mostly on fizzie
< 1788113709 459642 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think fizzie is in the same position as me from a sysadmin point of view, i.e. is running the site because nobody else is
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< 1788113749 563132 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You may assume that articles like [[monoid]] are written solely for search engines. (Extremely funny that you cannot imagine why I would consolidate and clean up lab notes from around the wiki. Do we want to look like a messy lab bench?)
< 1788113778 371482 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :korvo: I hadn't considered that as a target audience
< 1788113797 114462 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :normally the reason you expose your site to search engines is so that they can help humans to find it, if they are looking at it
< 1788113806 224136 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* if they are looking for it
< 1788113840 352616 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :admittedly search engines have been getting worse at this over time, but for niche subjects where there's only a few pages on the Internet that could possibly be relevant they are still generally able to find them
< 1788113902 574036 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just searched for "underload programming language" and the Esolang page on it was the first non-ad result
< 1788113930 58002 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :When I said "LLMs are good at reading and bad at writing", I meant it. Some text is worth writing simply because textbook-quality technically-minded clearly-written content will *steer* the bots.
< 1788113944 672866 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but why host it on esolangs.org?
< 1788113972 632743 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you are trying to steer bots, it would make more sense to use a host that doesn't open up every page to editing by the general public
< 1788113978 713717 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But that's really just for generality. Because there *are* people out there beyond your perception who read stuff. I mean, would you ask why I post on certain AO3 tags too?
< 1788114009 384857 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my main complaint about the monoid article is that anyone who is able to understand it will already know what a monoid is
< 1788114020 243777 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and most likely attempt to look it up at Wikipedia rather than here)
< 1788114023 248765 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[monoid]] and [[computable]] are gifts to the community: here, I've cleaned up the lab notes. I'm not fully finished for [[monoid]], in that I think that there's a lot of content around BF minimalization that can be formalized too.
< 1788114130 408164 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :English Wikipedia doesn't have intuition for monoids, work the examples of free monoids, or otherwise do the work to introduce the topic. Simple English doesn't really do well either; they start, "in abstract algebra, a monoid is a set of elements along with an operation", just like a textbook.
< 1788114167 804706 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a free monoid is just a list, right?
< 1788114196 353935 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(symmetrical list, not the cons cell version)
< 1788114211 205299 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess "string" fits the intuition better
< 1788114212 408713 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I don't think of esolangs.org as a free web host. Rather, I think of it as a historically-important community, like a heritage site, which deserves community love and care. That's kind of why I'm at all emotionally invested in, y'know, preventing new graffiti from showing up.
> 1788114232 8267 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Nah.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191621&oldid=191620 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+504) 10kind of interesting situation
< 1788114277 692022 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think of it as primarily being about trying to prevent information about esolangs being *lost*, and secondarily about helping people to discover it (which is why there is a bias towards inclusionism)
< 1788114325 622480 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is a limit to the first part of this, but I'm not sure where the line is
< 1788114355 400652 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(context: the site was set up in response to information about esolangs being deleted from Wikipedia due to not being considered sufficiently notable)
< 1788114379 52609 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sometimes, things that seemed pointless turned out to be useful/important in retrospect
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< 1788114415 400016 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. trivial brainfuck substitutions are usually uninteresting and there are a lot of them out there, but a few years ago a project ended up needing them in quantity and then it was useful that they were documented
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> 1788114935 38001 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Nah.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191622&oldid=191621 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+337) 10and I'm here too!
< 1788115052 80582 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Anyway, I'm sorry for pushing the point for two days. I won't do that in the future. I hope you can understand that, every morning, I wonder whether my trans girlfriend is home safely, or whether my neighbors are going to be detained by ICE, or whether RFK Jr. has ordered an overnight roundup of everybody like me to be taken to a Midwest labor camp, and that perhaps this has affected how I relate to power structures.
< 1788115171 192091 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I hope that you're seeing the power of ten words or less. For the chatbots, it's "what is the monoid of brainfuck?" Currently above, it's "What was the motivation for this article?" Before, it was "how to translate [Spanish word] to English?"
< 1788115213 373648 :korvo!~korvo@2604:a880:4:1d0::4d6:d000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, I'm gonna take a vacation, because I don't think I'm going to be useful for a while, but I want to leave with: What is the process for reviewing articles to be deleted?
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< 1788115263 220020 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the process is still technically "start a discussion on the talk page, hopefully people will join in, if an admin thinks there's a consensus they will delete it" but this is somewhat dependent on how long it takes the admin to notice
< 1788115295 744910 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is not very good for time-sensitive deletions, but historically there hasn't been much of a need for those
< 1788115338 997805 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :historically there was a separate process of "the site owner doesn't like it and deletes it unilaterally" which sometimes worked and sometimes didn't
< 1788115352 486162 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :cu
< 1788115357 740945 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :😴
> 1788115511 459924 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Nah.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191623&oldid=191622 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+567) 10yeah good point
< 1788115580 268481 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: what was the project that they were used for?
< 1788115594 362117 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: a polyglot that worked in a very large number of languages
< 1788115612 936728 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes sense
< 1788115625 474214 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BF substititions are normally pretty easy to work into a polyglot because they ignore everything other than 8 specific commands
< 1788115637 97221 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :feels a bit cheaty that way though
< 1788115657 505462 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there were lots of practical languages in there too
< 1788115670 227974 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although that was cheated to some extent too via using different versions/variants
< 1788115679 656565 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hah
< 1788115690 413299 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Haskell has lots of extensions, the polyglot would treat Haskell with different extension sets as different languages
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< 1788115767 961572 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm... prank or LLM slop? Praphrasing snippet I saw scroll by in a search engine: "using radare2 is as easy as running `r2 ` to open the radare tool; then all that remains is to learn how to use the tool" (I'm leaning towards LLM slop)
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< 1788115801 816854 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also... weird way to disconnect... I was still receiving messages but couldn't send any
< 1788115805 406932 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: surely not all BF substitutions ignore everything else
< 1788115824 19187 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :some of them probably give an error, or treat it as the end of the program
< 1788115847 592602 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: this may be "LLM sunk cost fallacy", where it starts a sentence for which there's no reasonable way to end it, but just keeps on going anyway
< 1788115864 971946 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I guess this is a philosophical question about what is and isn't a BF substitution
< 1788115880 336576 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :BF ignores things it doesn't understand, if you remove that rule from a language, is it still a substitution?
< 1788115894 791682 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :clearly you still end up with a BF *equivalent* but that's a slightly different class of language
< 1788116001 208917 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, but ignoring everything else is more natural when each command is a single character long than in substitutions with longer names for the commands
< 1788116173 917837 :joast!~joast@2603:90d8:500:31cf:5e0f:3f4b:1cfe:5060 JOIN #esolangs joast :joast
< 1788116577 943000 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it may still ignore *some* non-instruction things, eg. some substitutions could ignore whitespace)
> 1788116624 81603 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Nah.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191624&oldid=191623 5* 03Miui 5* (+297) 10
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> 1788117224 253773 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Nah.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191626&oldid=191625 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+466) 10
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< 1788117374 753688 :orin!~oren@44.201.23.133 JOIN #esolangs oren :Oren Watson
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> 1788117803 927018 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Nah.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191627&oldid=191626 5* 03Miui 5* (+696) 10Nah. foo
> 1788117942 600200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Nah.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191628&oldid=191627 5* 03Miui 5* (+385) 10
> 1788117975 980891 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Nah.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191629&oldid=191628 5* 03Miui 5* (+1) 10
> 1788118049 302308 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Eselangs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191630&oldid=191588 5* 03Miui 5* (+247) 10
> 1788118171 861399 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191631&oldid=191583 5* 03Miui 5* (+504) 10
> 1788118243 165775 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Satans Disciples GangLang $14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191632&oldid=191590 5* 03Miui 5* (+257) 10
< 1788118373 48520 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] MarkFan8901
< 1788118374 831077 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :mh
< 1788118383 690411 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello
< 1788118401 771024 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :miuis reaction on Talk:Nah. makes us think we didnt go about page deletion correctly
< 1788118409 732473 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wdym
< 1788118417 484759 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Nah.
< 1788118425 345239 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :> upposedly "eselangs" contains a recaial slur and was deleted, and is just another bad faith argument it seems folks are using to gang up on me, but that language as well does not contain a racial slur, and it genuinely useful for people who speak that programming language naturally to learn how to program.
< 1788118426 662019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:61: error: parse error on input `,'
< 1788118431 749939 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Waa
< 1788118435 126560 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lambdabot now is not the time.
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< 1788118465 294102 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :from miuis perspective, a bunch of their languages are starting to get discussion seemingly for the sole point of deletion
< 1788118481 648884 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and we think thats making them really defensive
< 1788118517 372015 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we feel like miui should be talked to directly instead
< 1788118527 395836 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2026-08-30.html#lxh this was what led to the deletion
< 1788118559 865523 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh damn
> 1788118562 637293 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191633&oldid=191574 5* 03Miui 5* (+76) 10/* actually hilarious */
< 1788118613 889911 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yeah like
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< 1788118630 31811 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :taking each individual page of theirs down is NOT the right move
< 1788118646 950446 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you mean they should have discussed with miui first before deleting the page?
< 1788118661 749175 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we mean they should discuss with miui about all of their behavior
> 1788118666 800187 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BackroomsTDP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191634&oldid=188968 5* 03Miui 5* (+8) 10Tag work in progrese
< 1788118679 596014 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :since basically all their languages fall under candidates for deletion
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> 1788118698 237249 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191635&oldid=191633 5* 03Miui 5* (+18) 10/* Works in progress */ add backroomsTDP to works in progress
< 1788118708 376405 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :attacking each page individually does kinda feel like being ganged up on
< 1788118712 515397 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(insensitivity not intended)
< 1788118736 204770 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and like the decision to delete your pages was made behind your back
< 1788118742 442095 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which it Kinda Was
> 1788118771 723486 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Nuclear launch detected.14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191636 5* 03Miui 5* (+217) 10Created page with "This one also exists for a reason, which related to my starcraft language [[Color Dialog]] and potential advancements I could make thematically. ~~~~"
< 1788118878 197152 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like we think 'have a discussion about it' on each individual page is just bogging the process down
< 1788118892 197418 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the topicality proposal was so we could delete stuff like this en masse without having to do that
< 1788118904 765654 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ofc not to say there shouldnt be consideration or even communication
< 1788118926 617490 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :something I've seen and done myself on other wikis is moving pages to userspace; it's clearly going "hey, we can't have this in mainspace", but it's not outright deleting it
< 1788118958 477480 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it's able to be moved back to mainspace once applicable for inclusion
< 1788118959 487364 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we dont remember the policy on multiple userspace articles
< 1788118966 260678 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: that probably doesn't work well here
< 1788118970 487737 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :userspace abuse was very common in the past
< 1788118976 299926 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mm
< 1788118977 224431 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so there was something of a crackdown on it
< 1788118984 501591 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(probably not enough of one, though)
< 1788118988 946727 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that why the "only one sandbox per user" rule exists?
< 1788119012 181202 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that rule exists because someone (not me) edited it onto the policy page and nobody reverted it
< 1788119020 161391 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't tried to enforce it yet
< 1788119035 632871 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but this is a valid way to make policy on a wiki, if enough people understand how it works)
< 1788119046 515070 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we Need more ~admins~decision-makers
< 1788119149 514228 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :reading more on miuis takes, they have some weird warped view of what the purpose of esolangs are
< 1788119160 121671 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that might just apply more generally to the kind of pages we dont want
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< 1788119186 595458 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is that theyre just containers for raw ideas
< 1788119191 576035 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if that makes sense
> 1788119209 711059 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Satans Disciples GangLang $14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191637&oldid=191632 5* 03Miui 5* (+165) 10
< 1788119249 240864 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like theyre all less about actually building a language and more about "language about [insert topic here]"
< 1788119267 678306 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :where the topic is literally anything
< 1788119288 391174 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :miui seems to be taking the attack as an attack on the topics of their languages
< 1788119356 128518 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like the "containers for raw ideas" way of expressing it
< 1788119381 329359 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess "language about" / "language that" is also an interesting distinction (mine are primarily in the latter category)
> 1788119414 309284 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Nah.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191638&oldid=191629 5* 03Miui 5* (+78) 10add archived link for posterity
< 1788119475 93287 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thank you thank you
< 1788119495 44067 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea if you pay attention most slop languages like that are really just, *themed* around some idea
< 1788119523 172904 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the language itself is kind of an afterthought
< 1788119532 741475 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :in more charitable cases its made to work to fit the theme
< 1788119580 690989 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry for being clueless but what do you mean by "containers for raw ideas", is it like a thematic language minus the language part?
< 1788119594 89632 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its okay we weren't sure if that made sense
< 1788119615 321836 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what we mean is like, the language is simply a means to express *some* idea
> 1788119636 835309 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191639&oldid=191635 5* 03Miui 5* (+168) 10/* Constant languages */ add Kek
< 1788119643 364994 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so that emphasis on the language itself is put down in the process
< 1788119651 86505 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like the language isnt the point
< 1788119656 924387 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah so like the language is just a medium for the theme, instead of "wearing" the theme like with LOLCODE or Chef?
< 1788119662 180511 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
> 1788119833 95452 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Dooblix 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Minez logo.png10]]"
< 1788119949 282127 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :good logo
> 1788119986 946655 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minez14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191641&oldid=189239 5* 03Dooblix 5* (+62) 10Added the Minez Logo to the article
> 1788119992 497788 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191642&oldid=191551 5* 03Miui 5* (+347) 10added some examples
< 1788120033 857880 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn its just a bf derivative
> 1788120050 654155 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02File:Desktop.png10]]": copyright violation (contains copyrighted images, e.g. icons and the desktop background)
< 1788120062 572801 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also wh
< 1788120066 673317 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :>It works by arithmetically manipulating the integer in register 0 to the ASCII value of each character in sequence and printing it.
< 1788120076 626110 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes the hello world program sound SO dramatic
> 1788120089 365031 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191643&oldid=191151 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+22) 10"Shameful" is part of this language's history, removing the necessarily non-existent category breaks multiple references on talk pages and elsewhere
< 1788120110 477142 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"arithmetically manipulating" sounds like LLM slop
< 1788120142 296965 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's just fluff
< 1788120157 112906 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you mean like when you try to hit a word count on an essay?
> 1788120178 684657 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minez14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191644&oldid=191641 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+84) 10some more categorization
< 1788120188 382041 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :more like making it seem more grandiose than it really is
< 1788120192 133402 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1788120222 106858 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :makes it sound like ur crawling ur way through a room of lazers to get the bits to the exact right places
< 1788120229 185950 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :before printing Hello, World!
< 1788120256 302388 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we swear the logo doesnt look ai generated tho
< 1788120282 482962 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like smth that could be made on that example drawing app ipads have at the store
> 1788120295 741325 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191645&oldid=191643 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+1) 10
< 1788120327 179631 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also what is that argument >removing the necessarily non-existent category breaks multiple references on talk pages and elsewhere
< 1788120341 783856 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its a deliberately broken link. you cant break anything removing it
> 1788120370 507798 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191646&oldid=191631 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+437) 10
< 1788120377 474331 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh also what are your guys' thoughts on 'old' joke languages like esme?
< 1788120383 864402 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :should they stay on the wiki
< 1788120397 916301 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think keeping a few would be okay
< 1788120424 496887 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my stance is that if they're notable like [[HQ9+]] or usable like [[LOLCODE]] they can say
> 1788120429 168188 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191647&oldid=191477 5* 03Miui 5* (+1322) 10tl;dr I can't verify that the translator reflected the meaning accurately, so I made this page.
< 1788120437 469782 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think filtering by >2021 or smth would be good
< 1788120437 698626 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Esme is the same sort of thing that Miui is flooding the wiki with, except it was fairly unique back then
< 1788120442 390077 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1788120468 543430 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they can stay*
< 1788120474 756413 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it leads to a problem, because how can you allow one page like that without allowing all the pages like that? unless you merge them somehow
< 1788120485 569234 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :just say its protected by historical context
< 1788120488 988798 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(IIRC Esme even did the "broken URL as extra context" thing)
< 1788120499 620892 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw i don't personally care much about Esme, but I know some other people do
< 1788120507 213578 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1788120518 99620 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we would say esme does quality for notability
< 1788120528 192699 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but not the pages that came after
< 1788120535 847674 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :qualify* sry
> 1788120583 349126 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191648&oldid=191646 5* 03Miui 5* (+179) 10
< 1788120600 712846 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe we should also be bringing this discussion to the topicality proposal
< 1788120611 117118 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so its not behind closed doors for ppl who arent on the irc
< 1788120733 579928 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait hold on the edit history of esme is really funny
< 1788120747 490287 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres like 8 edits in a row where someone gets rid of the nonexistent category and someone adds it back
< 1788120759 836927 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :edit wars my beloathed
> 1788120814 30776 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191649&oldid=191648 5* 03Miui 5* (+201) 10
< 1788120829 931365 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :checking back it does actually seem to be a part of the original language
< 1788120852 464192 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe there should be a comment in source abt how its important to the history of esme
< 1788120863 288125 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which the concept of would be really funny and fitting for esme imo
< 1788120984 347997 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea marking esme as historical might be the best thing to do
< 1788121010 598327 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz it *was* made in a notably different context than languages right now
< 1788121048 588154 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :enough so to justify its existence even when it violates topicality
< 1788121066 971312 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: im a baby otter where is mama
< 1788121067 137210 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: fnord/ fnord/ fnord
< 1788121072 325706 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs ::fear:
< 1788121118 883303 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh god
> 1788121139 497982 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191650&oldid=191639 5* 03Miui 5* (+135) 10/* personal esopages */ add my personal esopage
> 1788121202 694355 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07QuadnaryLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191651&oldid=154484 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+133) 10categorization, also maybe don't use h[n] tags?
< 1788121229 619345 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay our good will for miui is rapidly dwindling
< 1788121249 497654 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wdym
< 1788121264 725281 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :on their neocities they have a "maya kendrick #1 fan" page
< 1788121269 697351 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :maya kendrick in question is a porn star
> 1788121305 994998 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191652&oldid=178807 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+134) 10categorization
< 1788121307 230148 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the description of her on the page is misleading to make you believe she was some sort of mexican activist
< 1788121392 634365 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea wait no thats Every page on the wiki
> 1788121394 946696 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Common14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191653&oldid=173146 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+155) 10categorization
< 1788121407 945919 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok yea no theyre just leading ppl to unwittingly look up porn
< 1788121409 34221 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats not okay
< 1788121437 509137 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: you could probably do something about this pretty comfortably
< 1788121452 971555 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the edit in question is the one where miui adds their "personal esopage"
< 1788121459 950776 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its not that far up
> 1788121484 769657 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GLUG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191654&oldid=173150 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+140) 10categorization
> 1788121504 438000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GLUG14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191655&oldid=191654 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+0) 10pls fix the case mistake in some of the categories
< 1788121540 548806 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: I don't think that's an easy decision (it might even be a collision of names)
< 1788121556 666183 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wym
< 1788121573 422713 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sometimes two different people have the same name as each other
< 1788121580 792713 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh hm
< 1788121581 280754 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or ten
< 1788121589 372832 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so ur saying it might be a troll?
< 1788121589 567428 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my real name is extremely common and you probably wouldn't find me if searching for it
< 1788121601 95993 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait
< 1788121603 728828 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least, not without added context
< 1788121609 576847 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh u mean the name maya kendrick
< 1788121627 229761 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea we looked that name up with nsfw off and it came back with literally 0 results
< 1788121671 247259 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if maya kendrick is the name of a real mexican advocate they are NOT notable enough for a "#1 fan page"
> 1788121710 477584 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Password generator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191656&oldid=150951 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+10) 10stub page? the description of the program here is kinda vague
< 1788121728 128957 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in cases like this I would rather find a better reason to remove the link (e.g. because the page is offtopic (is it?) and it's inappropriate to use this site to advertise your personal pages)
< 1788121738 989243 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case, you don't need to be an admin to delete a link from a page
< 1788121743 821556 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :second reason is much better
< 1788121752 442451 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ya we. still need to make an account
< 1788121754 609211 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :lemme do that rq
< 1788121772 907851 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the account creation process is a bit convoluted, in order to keep out spambots
< 1788121779 819398 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1788121786 645536 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :luckily email is optional
< 1788121793 347577 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :befunge program incoming
< 1788121803 553051 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're torn between MarkFan8901, eqispety, and lefmonbee
< 1788121812 947952 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I should ask, are the external links on my page OK? "VSCode Box Drawing" extension section might be an issue
< 1788121815 935887 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're gonna go with the third
< 1788121846 773488 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually nvm it autocapitalizes
< 1788121851 552937 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :uhh MarkFan8901 it is
> 1788121854 214353 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191657&oldid=191489 5* 03Miui 5* (+60) 10/* Joke/Silly Ideas */
< 1788121860 136621 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can use displaytitle to makje it lowercase on your page
< 1788121870 157294 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :{{DISPLAYTITLE:User:lefmonbee}}
< 1788121877 167547 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or just use {{lowercase}}
< 1788121883 381195 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it'll still have the first letter capitalised in most places other than the page, though
< 1788121890 201442 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1788121916 679516 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hooh we just got to the befunge part
> 1788121926 41783 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan774114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191658&oldid=191613 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-10355) 10wipe
< 1788122052 245954 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait is `a b` the order they appear on the stack or the order they were pushed
< 1788122087 245425 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so like would `12-` be 1 - 2 or 2 - 1
< 1788122099 329124 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 2 - is 2 minus 1 I think
< 1788122103 307485 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oki
< 1788122134 141786 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! befunge 1 2 - . @
< 1788122138 508475 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​-1
< 1788122143 561453 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nope, I was backwards
< 1788122156 161098 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(you may as well use the bot to solve the captcha for you rathe than trying to work it out by hand)
< 1788122162 600974 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: ^
< 1788122181 938898 :somefan!~somefan@96.241.14.210 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i notation polish reverse love
< 1788122209 780170 :somefan!~somefan@96.241.14.210 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also hi everyone
< 1788122216 360287 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi somefan
< 1788122225 401318 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello somefan
< 1788122229 283592 :X-Scale!~ARM@148.69.194.77 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
> 1788122260 709862 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope. with no quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191659&oldid=186157 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+648) 10not unimplemented anymore
< 1788122271 950157 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oddly, the spambots used to often get past the befunge part of the captcha, but then got stuck at the introduce yourself stage
< 1788122283 390241 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :funny
< 1788122296 431020 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also wait which bot can we use for befunge code
< 1788122301 367979 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :HackEso
< 1788122308 548603 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do `! befunge and then the program
< 1788122317 396659 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! befunge 9816025813>\#+:#*9-#\_$.@
< 1788122319 856279 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :138483530
< 1788122325 71784 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs ::tada:
> 1788122333 702230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03MarkFan8901 5*  10New user account
< 1788122341 158597 :X-Scale!~ARM@148.69.194.77 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :ARM - Advanced RISC Machines
> 1788122348 359922 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope. with no quine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191660&oldid=191659 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-1) 10bruh wrong order
< 1788122355 56774 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thought about some kind of QuineCycling() language where the quine cycles after N unique strings
< 1788122361 636403 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a -> b -> c -> a
< 1788122373 56836 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my guess is that spambot frameworks have a way to escalate to humans for solving weird captchas, but don't have any way to cope with after-captcha requirements
< 1788122397 452874 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the solution: 9 captchas in a row /j
< 1788122400 395955 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: programs like that have been written, both in specific languages and across languages
< 1788122431 457263 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe there could be something interesting in trying to get constant semantics to do stuff thats interesting
< 1788122451 788460 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, how often is it to get a periodic error quine with a period other than 1?
< 1788122453 301586 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:84b1:87af:18e5:f62e JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
< 1788122457 69020 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* how common is it
< 1788122491 606071 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're thinking like
< 1788122507 677127 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok a quine cycling language would seem to be an fsa
< 1788122523 32072 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :where the state is determined by each program, rather than things *in* the program
< 1788122548 454536 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like you have to give it program a for it to go into state b, then program b for it to go into state c, etc
< 1788122588 166961 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't seen any quine languages which have multiple unique quines; a -> a but also b -> b, or a -> b -> a but also c -> a -> b -> a
< 1788122630 197306 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this sounds like some sort of graph
< 1788122633 482501 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
> 1788122639 972987 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191661&oldid=191650 5* 03Miui 5* (-1) 10/* Constant languages */ typo
< 1788122645 741545 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :how many quines can a language have before its turing complete
< 1788122675 908404 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can make all programs a quine
< 1788122685 319075 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :well yea thats just cat
< 1788122694 212999 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :indeed
> 1788122701 26254 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RNA/rna.c14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191662&oldid=21591 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+30) 10categorize as implementation, also the "all rights reserved" tells me this might not be public domain but seems like the author put it here themselves
< 1788122720 316641 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s -> (input concat): s0 -> 0 -> nil; s1 -> 1 -> 1
< 1788122750 489819 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: I did consider a joke "broken quine-avoiding constant language" which always printed string A, unless the input was string B in which case it printed string B
< 1788122761 793236 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: you can make a "real" programming language in this spirit by carving out a prefix (or other criterion) that interprets a small subset of inputs differently
< 1788122768 228636 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(quine-avoiding constant languages print string B if the input is string A, not if it's string B)
< 1788122790 404700 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :funny
> 1788122797 368497 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GolfBall14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=191663 5* 03ASCIIguy 5* (+763) 10Created page with "'''GolfBall''' is a golfing language inspired by [[Binary lambda calculus]]. Due to the language's nature, if an ambiguous instruction is given, a greedy algorithm is employed. It was designed to be more usable than BLC, but still very compact. ==Operations and Syntax=
< 1788122799 836427 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sounds like QuineInvoking()
< 1788122803 202244 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: we were thinking something along the lines of tree rewriting
> 1788122806 392370 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191664&oldid=191657 5* 03Miui 5* (+145) 10/* Joke/Silly Ideas */
< 1788122808 316463 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant_language_directory#QuineInvoking()
< 1788122819 222281 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ ais523
< 1788122822 203370 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :only 1 quine invoking language on the wiki lol
< 1788122836 837496 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, so it isn't a new idea
< 1788122839 254296 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or just survivorship bias
< 1788122843 113085 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like what if s0 led to setting two quine states at the same time
< 1788122850 689408 :Guest82!~Guest82@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :QuineInvoking() was on [[ConstantLanguage()]]
> 1788122860 855607 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!Matrix14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191665&oldid=171832 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+136) 10categorization
< 1788122866 507028 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :similar to how a nonterminal can be rewritten to multiple nonterminals in an unrestricted grammar
< 1788122886 756536 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :QI() could be generalizable; i.e a -> b, b -> b would be QI("a", "b"), QI("b", "b")
< 1788122905 653304 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, this conversation is making me think about a language which, whenever you run it, outputs another program in the same language, and you run it repeatedly to do computation
< 1788122914 472096 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1788122915 462289 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I made a language like that ages ago, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki_Cyclic_Tag)
< 1788122926 728621 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :approximately 20 years old
< 1788122938 831084 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :TC languages don't need to have quines (this becomes a matter of encoding, which may involve running the same program with many inputs if the output is restricted to two different ones (enough for decision problems))
< 1788122953 437835 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea that whole discussion
< 1788122973 389724 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we remember reading all the talk page about quineless languages when we were like 15 and it blew our minds
< 1788122986 373382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Counting quines just isn't a very good way to approximate TC-ness.
< 1788123008 278109 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea but its still a VERY interesting discussion on whether being tc entails having a quine
> 1788123017 883930 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191666&oldid=190523 5* 03Miui 5* (+26) 10added link to PROLAN/M for more context on sequential replacement languages
< 1788123029 616501 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ ?
< 1788123042 912644 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wha
> 1788123045 515431 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Morse-Assembly-Language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191667&oldid=170720 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+130) 10if your joke language can still do computation then it deserves the language category too
< 1788123050 427603 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the difficulty of writing a quine normally depends on how difficult it is for the language to escape strings (and to copy strings, which is usually easier but theoretically might not be in some languages)
< 1788123075 718119 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :something that we thought of was a language that was actually just an array of all possible computations you could do
< 1788123085 988580 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a program would simply just be indexing the array for the right one
< 1788123154 68816 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: I considered that a couple of times
< 1788123159 377222 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :theoretically, you could just make it so that none of the numbers could possibly correspond to any of the output of the computation in question
< 1788123162 154635 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in one case the computations were indexes into OEIS
> 1788123165 991330 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Varstak14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191668&oldid=164866 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+8) 10mark as WIP
< 1788123169 632566 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that raises the question of what 'computation' is
< 1788123178 981700 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also what 'number representation' is
< 1788123180 490239 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(which would be difficult to implement because not all OEIS sequences have a program available to compute them)
< 1788123199 277078 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OEIS sequences aren't infinite either
< 1788123202 741222 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in the other they were indexes into anagol challenges, taking the majority vote of all submissions
< 1788123206 25635 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :sequence of busy beaver numbers:
< 1788123231 305116 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea we've also been fascinated by the concept of some "raw" computation
< 1788123242 227232 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :independent from any system
> 1788123256 820824 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitwise14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191669&oldid=108876 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+86) 10some more categorization
< 1788123258 214231 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which you could manipulate directly to change what a program 'does'
< 1788123281 53645 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :looking back on it it was very pseudomathematical but its still a nice thought we think
< 1788123300 398340 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :pseudomathematical in the same sense of the word pseudoscientific
> 1788123343 870802 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Muon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191670&oldid=160391 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+110) 10categorization
< 1788123365 758657 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :specifically, one thought we had was that messing with the 'frame' of a problem could expose this 'raw' computation
< 1788123377 436403 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the canonical example we came up with was a tower of hanoi
< 1788123413 750745 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine you have two different things to simulate a tower of hanoi, an abstract mathematical model and a physical model which used stacking blocks on top of each other
> 1788123415 290747 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Emmental/Printing Code That Prints Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191671&oldid=149480 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+38) 10formatting and categorize as example
< 1788123441 775454 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can see pretty trivially how they both do 'the same thing'
> 1788123469 407224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StuLa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191672&oldid=93308 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+59) 10category 2019 and unknown computational class
< 1788123470 527045 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but say you had an actual function which could transform the two to each other
< 1788123525 636782 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :where you could 'translate' physically moving a block to a stack and abstractly moving a ring to a stack
< 1788123562 316684 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :now say your physical model has some level of error as you solve it
< 1788123574 173200 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in, the blocks drift as you stack them
< 1788123587 539984 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if that error became significant enough, the blocks would fall
< 1788123602 702988 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but what if you used that translation function on *that* state?
< 1788123625 941284 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what would it look like for the abstract model to represent the raw meaning of the blocks having fell over
< 1788123670 896431 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and another thing, how would the state of the block error be represented in earlier parts of the execution of the abstract model
< 1788123695 847613 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"bisimulation" is the name for two things that can each simulate the other, due to in a sense doing the same computation
> 1788123699 329008 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191673&oldid=168840 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+93) 10categorization
< 1788123710 925 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm
< 1788123712 531917 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :didnt know it had a name
< 1788123733 861257 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if your blocks can fall over, it isn't obviously a bisimulation any more
> 1788123756 925960 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Coercionfulity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191674&oldid=121038 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+86) 10some more categorization
< 1788123775 135961 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye but What If You Applied The Bijection Anyway
> 1788123795 658048 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Dropsort14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191675&oldid=127787 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+357) 10they're the same sorting algorithm with different names
< 1788123821 787442 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :our thought was, would the abstract model represent how physics would work when shoved into the model its using
< 1788123864 609998 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we were thinking kinda similarly to that one carykh video where he makes a gan which gives you a sliding scale to make someone frown/smile on each end
< 1788123881 999767 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then he 'went too far' and slid them WAY off each end to see what would happen
< 1788123900 47973 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the faces kind of just, turned into pure colors and shapes
< 1788123948 813238 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so this is basically an extrapolation problem
< 1788123959 302575 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think so yea
< 1788123980 727729 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :given data points for how two sets correspond to each other, work out what the correspondence would be for values outside the sets
< 1788123993 121109 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think there's a general solution to that (although there are special cases which can be solved)
< 1788124000 212182 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like we think its kind of a natural question if you start with the idea that machine learning is intended to approximate functions which don't have a precise definition
< 1788124017 353433 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :then ask what would happen if you actually *did* figure out what function you were approximating
> 1788124024 176829 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tiltedc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191676&oldid=96968 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+95) 10categorization, also they should make TiltedC++ next
< 1788124036 260080 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like in carykhs video, recognizing emotion from faces
< 1788124075 578463 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what would happen if you *did* have an exact function you could toy around with to see what happens 'out of bounds' relative to how real life actually works
< 1788124165 102094 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :reminds me of a graphing calculator I made once, where it would determine pixel color based on equivalence (less, equal, greater), and it would produce weird results at positions for functions which normally aren't defined at those locations
> 1788124192 84517 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lamp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191677&oldid=91074 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+59) 10categorization
< 1788124214 939170 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :kinda like fractal rendering?
< 1788124232 498892 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but with just difference instead of iteration
< 1788124242 461952 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah
< 1788124249 106280 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds really cool
< 1788124259 833168 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we still need to introduce ourselves hold on :sob:
< 1788124267 797041 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
> 1788124332 888582 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Imapl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191678&oldid=45334 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+98) 10categorization
> 1788124433 809482 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Everyday14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191679&oldid=164965 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+135) 10categorization
> 1788124503 321339 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Compose14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191680&oldid=62133 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+133) 10some more categorization, mark as WIP
< 1788124509 459284 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait a sec
< 1788124511 730499 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we cant edit the page
< 1788124548 423574 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: uhh what do we do
> 1788124558 383436 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Alphacode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191681&oldid=166936 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+135) 10categorization
< 1788124566 992869 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it says we have to be a user to edit the page
< 1788124572 965785 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :do we have to make a userpage first?
< 1788124576 240727 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :would that count as an edit
> 1788124656 245895 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071 8 1 8 114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191682&oldid=157004 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+68) 10unimplemented + unknown computational class
< 1788124670 806542 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok wait there we go
< 1788124687 867985 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we didnt save logging in to our cookies so it just immediately logged back out when we went to the edit page
> 1788124717 651141 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan774114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191683&oldid=191658 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+91) 10/* 2026 - mesmerizer */
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> 1788124906 357760 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191684&oldid=191584 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+272) 10
< 1788124924 249362 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs ::tada:
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< 1788124992 357223 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unrelated, I've been thinking of adding a command to iterate that just prints the null byte (0x00) since the loop semantics don't allow any way to do that normally
< 1788125017 696524 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :might go against the feel of it, though it could go in tandem with the `$` commands
< 1788125031 970506 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is iterate
< 1788125058 385462 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Iterate ; I've described it as a language with only `for` loops
< 1788125070 396181 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, iterative loops
< 1788125249 381501 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh
< 1788125250 964346 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool idea
< 1788125287 502353 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks
< 1788125328 168774 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :np np
> 1788125391 736814 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tonk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191685&oldid=191533 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+986) 10/* Commands */ add some more tanks
> 1788125837 683003 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tonk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191686&oldid=191685 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+662) 10/* Commands */ some theme for the Sporulator branch
> 1788125933 456529 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tonk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191687&oldid=191686 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+125) 10/* Commands */ the amount of times I typed "at the victim's location" is definitely making the fbi suspicious
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> 1788126748 621320 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tonk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191688&oldid=191687 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+1124) 10/* Commands */
> 1788126787 874290 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tonk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191689&oldid=191688 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-1) 10/* Commands */
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> 1788127854 216458 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan774114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191690&oldid=191683 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+690) 10/* favorite things in general */ IRC does not have the ascended pentagon (yet)
> 1788127919 158646 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BackroomsTDP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191691&oldid=191634 5* 03Miui 5* (+127) 10
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> 1788129562 149328 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BackroomsTDP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191692&oldid=191691 5* 03Miui 5* (+41) 10Add a computational class. Theorem: I dont know, nor do I think it is very well classified. I've spent years thinking about it and decided to post it to esolangs because either it simply is unknown by stratification or the creator (me) simply doesnt know.
> 1788129995 794013 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BackroomsTDP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=191693&oldid=191692 5* 03Miui 5* (+88) 10/* See also */ Added a link to an example output.
< 1788130467 423988 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh the Anubis discussion continued? I think Anubis got popular because it was unreasonably effective for a lot longer than anyone could reasonably expect. But it's over now.
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< 1788132347 275895 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: that sounds like https://esolangs.org/wiki////