> 1788307415 431383 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pgmpietoncracklang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192117&oldid=192070 5* 03Miui 5* (+50) 10/* See also */ move to yeah
> 1788307429 127650 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pgmpietoncracklang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192118&oldid=192117 5* 03Miui 5* (-2) 10/* See also */ fix link
> 1788307473 39799 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pgmpietoncracklang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192119&oldid=192118 5* 03Miui 5* (+0) 10move to external
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> 1788307528 77029 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pgmpietonracklang/Pgmpietonracklang+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192120&oldid=192068 5* 03Miui 5* (-3261) 10Blanked the page
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> 1788311085 179577 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03MarkFan8901 5*  10moved [[02Turing Completeness Proof of Leafuck10]] to [[Leafuck/Proof of Turing completeness]]: sub-page for cleanliness
> 1788311191 848698 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Leafuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192123&oldid=185361 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+0) 10
> 1788311333 601601 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Leafuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192124&oldid=192123 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-1) 10no comma
> 1788311515 703050 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rotary14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192125&oldid=153795 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-20) 10fix bf spelling and change Computational class/Turing-completeness to just Computational class
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> 1788315156 239305 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192126&oldid=191987 5* 03Miui 5* (+299) 10/* personal esopages */ just some miscellaneous lost kingdom fandom activities (added article mirror + archive backup)
> 1788316566 68554 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192127&oldid=192126 5* 03Miui 5* (-34) 10/* personal esopages */ fixed archive link (was previously a screenshot)
> 1788318461 296677 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Noisychicken14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192128&oldid=192077 5* 03FordsTheodore 5* (+54) 10
> 1788319209 10739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192129&oldid=191664 5* 03Miui 5* (+16) 10/* Ideas for Names */ moved previous name idea (i think i messed up the flow of dialog from Yoyolin) + added 
> 1788322074 777668 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Noisychicken14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192130&oldid=192128 5* 03FordsTheodore 5* (+863) 10add N. interpreter
< 1788322936 978020 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :goodnight
> 1788324514 765494 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192131&oldid=192129 5* 03Miui 5* (+753) 10/* General Ideas */ add language idea based on rule 30 sonnet 30
< 1788325990 672180 :A_Dragon!A_D@libera/staff/dragon NICK :gAy_Dragon
> 1788326238 164889 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192132&oldid=190536 5* 03Miui 5* (+25) 10// Example-based languages \n; Pgmpietoncracklang ; //
< 1788327123 189706 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the new one is 2020-03 per https://xkcd.com/2459/
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> 1788328677 294698 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:VoidPtr14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192133&oldid=192112 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+251) 10
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< 1788331070 412121 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Mario_Maker_Calculator_is_not_Turing-complete this is a really funny page
< 1788331146 511516 :potter!~potter@user/potter QUIT :Quit: Should be back momentarily
< 1788331182 789137 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it dramatically sets up a bunch of stuff before it just goes "it cant loop so it cant be tc"
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< 1788331340 350138 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh also
< 1788331344 377465 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :something about proof pages
< 1788331364 719574 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :should they be subpages of the langauge in question (if theyre about one)?
< 1788331369 368932 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :or should they be their own separate pages
< 1788331393 286468 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz Category:Proofs seems to be split pretty evenly between them
< 1788331415 923808 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :personally we think they should be subpages
> 1788332287 762850 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-/Turing-completeness proof14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192134&oldid=192102 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+12) 10moral of the story: dont edit pages @ 2am
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< 1788333414 147647 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot:
< 1788333414 419116 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: stop bleeding!) answers for ml at http://www.hprog.org/ fnord) dates back to the argument
< 1788333431 491815 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fnord) seems to be a common token with fungot
< 1788333431 854353 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: linux would probably choke and gag and blow chunks long before reaching two million threads, whereas gambit would run just fnord has been accepted.
< 1788333445 311460 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf
< 1788333447 603242 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually cogent sentence
< 1788333459 221188 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also "blow chunks" :sob:
< 1788333562 164793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's mostly cosmetic, isn't it? Proof_that_Brainfuck_is_Turing_Complete is unlikely to clash with another esolang.
< 1788333597 325990 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though as a matter of organization I'd prefer subpages. That may be programmer minded... we love hierarchical namespaces.
< 1788333605 673258 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :well on the other hand having it be a subpage would *definitely* help not clash with another esolang
< 1788333613 415736 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also true
< 1788333676 27623 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also also we are thinking about adding discussion to the topicality proposal
< 1788333692 547953 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :specifically we wanna develop our "containers for raw ideas" argument more
< 1788333714 593827 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[GangLang]] is a perfect example of what we're talking about
< 1788333750 159740 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nothing about the actual language itself really matters, the point is that its a language based around gang talk
< 1788333792 385585 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it could be a c-like or lisp or a forth-like and none of that would meaningfully change its identity
< 1788333805 416836 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but there's two caveats we have in mind with that point
< 1788333942 585857 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :firstly it doesnt account for complete nonsense
< 1788333951 282244 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :shit where you dont even know where they really got the idea from
< 1788333991 118779 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one-up: shit where you don't even know whether there's an idea in there
< 1788333998 255785 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1788334025 460128 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but secondly, it would also step on the toes of esolangs which are made specifically around some real thing as a premise
< 1788334102 354904 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[Inflexión]] would be a great example of this if it weren't ai generated
< 1788334115 796374 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The wiki has a slop problem (some LLM, some not, the phenomenon isn't new; the volume has increased though). It's very easy to acknowledge but actually stomping down on it would require serious sustained effort.)
< 1788334121 618878 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually creating a language based off a natural language
< 1788334133 164018 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yea
< 1788334140 336704 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we are specifically trying to narrow down what 'slop' is
< 1788334192 806120 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it also wouldnt be hard to imagine how you could create a language based off thinking about how, say, clocks work
< 1788334201 468458 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :create an interesting* language
< 1788334235 862300 :inhahe!~inhahe@user/inhahe PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe it'd be a language for analog computers ;D
< 1788334236 345292 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but you could also just make a slop shit page themed around clocks
< 1788334250 418033 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :inhale: ye see
< 1788334263 672906 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's really interesting stuff you could do with that idea even just saying it
< 1788334272 806711 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that would be working backwards from the premise
< 1788334291 206132 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well... tricky, because it's hardly objective. I'm mostly interested in semantics. So any page that's just a syntax for something (either borrowing an existing semantics or not specifying one at all, just putting a few examples) is boring to me. But I can see how if you're more linguistically inclined, a novel vocabulary might actually be stimulating.
< 1788334315 630287 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"it" being what slop is
< 1788334329 169282 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes we are obsessed with being able to define things precisely
< 1788334335 113434 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially social ones
< 1788334423 169054 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the reason why it tends to be so difficult is because it takes serious critical analysis to not only understand and articulate what patterns you see, but also why you see them and why you feel the way you do about them
< 1788334431 607822 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which we love doing just by itself
< 1788334475 346671 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :to an extent, its politics, and like any good politics you need to be vulnerable with what you say
< 1788334480 451886 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but anyways
< 1788334519 275173 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :crucially, 'working backwards from a premise' is not what we're trying to point out when we say "containers for raw ideas"
< 1788334525 415799 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which means we're trying to get at something else
< 1788334534 10248 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :with it*
< 1788334566 236896 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh another thing
< 1788334587 452864 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we saw glimmers of something very interesting when ais started talking about constant languages
< 1788334600 778805 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you guys have probably seen them but pretend you haven't so we can explain them
< 1788334641 74307 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :constant languages are basically just languages in which every program has the same semantics
< 1788334694 275212 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :typically the 'semantics' in question is just the language outputting some string
< 1788334740 105062 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which has a property thats only a little interesting
< 1788334753 791235 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that every constant language has a quine, where the quine is simply the output of the constant language
< 1788334804 7018 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :this leads to quine-preventing constant languages, which have constant semantics *except* when fed its own output
< 1788334820 57337 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :in which case it outputs something else
< 1788334837 766688 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so * -> a, but a -> b
< 1788334857 736949 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's where the canon about constant languages stop to our knowledge
> 1788334865 571550 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-/Turing-completeness proof14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192135&oldid=192134 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+40) 10yet again, dont edit pages @ 2am
< 1788334872 652079 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but ais started wondering about cyclic quines
< 1788334884 855791 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in, a -> b -> c -> a
< 1788334928 642273 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :in which a program outputs another program which outputs the first program
< 1788334966 621473 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :he and some others (including us) extrapolated on this idea a bit before putting it back down
< 1788334969 926029 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Those can be interesting, but there's a boring generic approach where you just modify a counter in each step of the cycle.
< 1788334990 834047 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye they *can* be interesting
< 1788334994 189339 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Related, but also very different: https://github.com/mame/quine-relay
< 1788335004 678117 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :here's the weird part
< 1788335028 987875 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's genuine creativity and ingenuity having come from what's supposed to be a slop concept
< 1788335058 669957 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we breathed life into something that should have been just another lazy contribution to the wiki
< 1788335065 173752 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :well only a tiny little bit, but still
< 1788335076 907789 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The thing about the quine relay is that one language can quote for several subsequent languages at once. So including languages for which quines are a bit tricky (say, Brainfuck) becomes trivial.)
> 1788335134 761684 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-/Turing-completeness proof14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192136&oldid=192135 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-16) 10/* Example */ generalize cuz why not lmao. think it makes sense.
< 1788335139 821059 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(trivial: you just have to figure out how to print an arbtirary string)
< 1788335159 938525 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1788335203 22305 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the track we were following was that the concept of having quines lead to different quines sounded a lot like edges to nodes on a graph
< 1788335239 280154 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and we speculated that perhaps some tweaking of how it worked could lead to a tc system
< 1788335247 499842 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :or at least something with a surprising amount of power
< 1788335270 605903 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but anyways
< 1788335285 137195 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually having typed that out we dont remember what our point originally was
< 1788335323 947000 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we were trying to make it a caveat to the idea that slop inherently has zero/minimal value, but like
< 1788335329 529677 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats not true
< 1788335372 723094 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we dont think it *could* be true that something has NO meaning or potential whatsoever relative to esolanging
< 1788335392 15328 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which makes it just a little harder to pinpoint topicality
< 1788335414 642178 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually here's an idea:
< 1788335424 807511 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :*they* didnt recognize that value
< 1788335432 782397 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Isn't the lack of any substance part of the definition of "slop"?
< 1788335469 156682 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a good heuristic, but you can still get some great value out of slop if you pay enough attention
< 1788335471 675153 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like uhh hold on
> 1788335481 593981 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-/Turing-completeness proof14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192137&oldid=192136 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (-51) 10/* Example */ remove redundant signal handlers
< 1788335530 301998 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=B2pI5bB-kKg the mv for this song is very much based on typical tiktok slop, but it is genuinely artistic
< 1788335570 711553 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is relatively easy to 'recover' good ideas from slop when you're creative enough
< 1788335600 86679 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but anyways
< 1788335641 96120 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what we were gonna follow "they dont recognize that value" up with was that its because they dont actually care about the things they're making
> 1788335645 705893 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07VoidPtr14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192138&oldid=192116 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-110) 10since the BF interpreter AINT TC, theres currently no proof of TC'ness, so I removed the categories and such.
< 1788335695 714293 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually it kinda feels like we're going in circles trying to elaborate on that point
< 1788335717 511724 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz it just naturally leads to 'it's low effort', which is what we're trying to define in the first place
< 1788336038 669131 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh something about the word slop
< 1788336045 728204 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its definition is also typically a heuristic
< 1788336074 584374 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are things you can define cleanly which also fit cleanly into it, the best example being content farms
< 1788336107 74149 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but elaborating further without any real analysis is typically fruitless
< 1788336122 710124 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and is we think why so many people throw their hands up and say its subjective at that point
< 1788336154 407496 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're getting too waxy we need to calm down and focus on what we were talking about again
< 1788336606 652640 :potter!~potter@user/potter QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1788336653 60010 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 275 seconds
< 1788336777 28460 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :something we're also heavily considering is not including stuff that's just, not good
< 1788336808 776389 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like languages which are only uninteresting or don't have a lot going for them
< 1788336873 457245 :potter!~potter@user/potter JOIN #esolangs potter :potter
< 1788336998 772978 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
< 1788337157 6877 :potter!~potter@user/potter QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1788337209 713348 :potter!~potter@user/potter JOIN #esolangs potter :potter
> 1788337312 540035 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-/Turing-completeness proof14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192139&oldid=192137 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+0) 10/* Example */ fix bug
< 1788337583 844430 :raiseafloppafan!~raiseaflo@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 QUIT :Quit: Client closed
< 1788337633 318747 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Yayimheretoo
< 1788338261 494109 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we feel like having a 'no wiki-gaming' rule might also help cut a lot of the off topic stuff
< 1788338311 116405 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz theres a part in the discussion on the wiki where someone mentions theyve seen accs who (maybe not directly, but essentially) state that as an explicit goal
< 1788338377 66405 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which can pretty elegantly explain why a lot of the nonsensical pages/edits on the wiki are like that
< 1788338432 754900 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :another wiki we're very loosely a part of had an issue with someone coming along and wiki gaming the fuck out of it
< 1788338466 675357 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a lot of the patterns of behavior they had + their effect on the wiki are comparable to that of what we see on esolangs rn
< 1788338478 712423 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :though a big difference is it was one person on an already pretty dead wiki
< 1788338500 407600 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :+ they didnt make that many pages, their baloney was mainly confined to editing
< 1788338521 398895 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is kinda the opposite of whats currently happening (correct us if we're wrong)
< 1788338648 284643 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thoughts on this fungot
< 1788338661 565294 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot:
< 1788338664 518339 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :psst
< 1788338665 74003 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hey
< 1788338665 936074 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wake up
> 1788338666 315205 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:VoidPtr14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192140&oldid=192133 5* 03Miui 5* (+555) 10
< 1788338683 107908 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot wake up BITCH.
< 1788338716 843544 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok MarkFan8901 calm down a bit?
< 1788338723 713720 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1788338726 725551 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait no
< 1788338729 171612 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuck ignore that
< 1788338730 352301 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmao
< 1788338731 201809 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow
< 1788338732 551712 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its oki
< 1788338743 560883 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :#FreeFungot
< 1788338750 513100 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i forgot fungot is a bot lmao
< 1788338750 689255 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimheretoo: but foxfire fixed it. now. :)
< 1788338751 828057 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn
< 1788338755 507244 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :there we go
< 1788338763 610662 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :funny
< 1788338766 715561 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't condone cussing out bots, fwiw.
< 1788338770 633725 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :+fungot: did they?
< 1788338770 858201 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimheretoo: but i did implement floor. though you mostly fnord on what i said
< 1788338785 215003 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :+fungot: fnord?
< 1788338785 513885 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimheretoo: to be even shining a bit, but the final summary says 200 lines exactly. e-mailing now. that thing.
< 1788338793 55435 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmao
< 1788338799 561189 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :man fnord was such a huge meme it left a dent in fungots brain
< 1788338799 683764 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: if you understood what i meant
< 1788338844 636148 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: never heard of it lmao
< 1788338853 771602 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: we didnt
< 1788338853 946958 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimheretoo: that's used for any data structure
< 1788338859 582414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot Has a rate limit of sorts. Not sure about the details, it might just be counting up so the same user can't trigger it more than 3 times in a row or something.
< 1788338859 835328 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: for example, with my little sister in 2005 or so
< 1788338873 353435 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we looked fnord up one time
< 1788338881 345509 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats the funniest response to that
< 1788338883 297330 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently its from a dystopian sci fi novel
< 1788338904 774655 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"fungot has a rate limit of sorts [...]" "for example, with my little sister [...]"
< 1788338904 891858 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yayimheretoo: or rather an are my initials
< 1788338906 937441 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmao
< 1788338908 212161 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :where people are trained for the word to be impercievable
< 1788338915 282837 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn
< 1788338924 861996 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and where viewing it would cause a feeling of fear
< 1788338955 942407 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also the little sister comment by fungot is fucking hilarious
< 1788338956 83289 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: even 19% in some experiments.
< 1788338973 27414 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: yea lol
< 1788338976 116712 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo did you see some of the messages we got out of fungot a bit earlier
< 1788338977 62193 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: nasa assigned three separate teams to investigate the embarrassing, us 125 million debacle and determine its cause. preliminary public statements faulted a fnord between the fnord barrier. most schemes off-handedly mention which srfis they support and don't really long for what it does
< 1788338983 749365 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"fnord" is what fungot (or rather, I think, the model generator behind it) uses as a replacement for very uncommon words.
< 1788338990 430355 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :o
< 1788338993 519776 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: sadly not lol
< 1788339010 651211 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :>linux would probably choke and gag and blow chunks long before reaching two million threads, whereas gambit would run just fnord has been accepted.
< 1788339019 887900 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"nasa assigned three separate teams to investigate the embarrassing us"
< 1788339038 57725 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: wow
< 1788339050 206117 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it is true *Vsauce noises*
< 1788339052 257033 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :one of the most cogent sentences we've heard come out of fungot
< 1788339052 429983 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: er the embed tag open through misc files.
< 1788339054 244030 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1788339061 424461 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wonder what happens if fungot says its own name
< 1788339061 800460 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: you wouldn't be directed to login page the wireless connection i'm using has unicode strings but they're completely disjoint from normal strings which makes them almost useless
< 1788339063 605429 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :does it reply to itself
< 1788339071 887542 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmmmm
< 1788339078 247508 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :could there theoretically be an infinite loop of it talking to itself
< 1788339078 782748 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: no
< 1788339087 4693 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sad lmao
< 1788339087 32692 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn
< 1788339092 907818 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ya we felt like there would be a safe guard against that
< 1788339106 437356 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the IRC protocol doesn't echo your own channel messages back to you
> 1788339108 378995 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03CDEV 5*  10New user account
< 1788339112 688590 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahh
< 1788339116 492785 :inhahe!~inhahe@user/inhahe PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can, in ircv3
< 1788339116 520784 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is helpful for this particular scenario
> 1788339125 817408 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:VoidPtr14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192141&oldid=192140 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (-555) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/192140|192140]] by [[Special:Contributions/Miui|Miui]] ([[User talk:Miui|talk]]) revert vandalism
> 1788339147 60025 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:VoidPtr14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192142&oldid=192141 5* 03Miui 5* (+555) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/192141|192141]] by [[Special:Contributions/Dragoneater67|Dragoneater67]] ([[User talk:Dragoneater67|talk]])
< 1788339159 397504 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also the bots here are supposed to ignore the other bots. We have had bot loops... unless the bot owners are around they get old very rapidly.
< 1788339178 465288 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmh
< 1788339222 773632 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh uh something about miui
< 1788339256 78193 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :earlier we pinged ais about how their page had the name of a porn star slathered on it
< 1788339271 587139 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that the description of them misled us to think they were some mexican activist
< 1788339278 21921 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but he said it could have been a name collision
< 1788339280 78037 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :However
< 1788339286 557301 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or a channel op I guess. (So right now would be fine but I tend to wanter off for lengths of time, and I don't know who else would step in right now.)
< 1788339301 901406 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: how what huh... where? I haven't seen that
< 1788339308 882673 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Nice typos, man.
< 1788339335 979407 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: it's present in https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192140&oldid=192133
< 1788339339 346703 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :an edit that was made just a bit earlier
< 1788339346 838560 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but anyways
< 1788339354 721680 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Thing Is there's also another link on that front page
< 1788339366 142667 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which leads to (presumably) their account on onlyfans
< 1788339368 455970 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :miuis, that is
< 1788339388 812029 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you couldn't possibly mistake this for someone who isnt trying to redirect people to porn
< 1788339398 601700 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dam
< 1788339407 103335 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah so like
< 1788339413 478530 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :our good will with miui has been burnt out since
< 1788339429 270010 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we should probably go to the talk page about it
< 1788339457 839989 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats quite saad, their work seemed interesting
< 1788339486 346165 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :all their actually interesting stuff smells ai generated
< 1788339493 146646 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like inflexion, as we mentioned earlier
> 1788339498 651445 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192143&oldid=191981 5* 03CDEV 5* (+200) 10/* Introductions */
< 1788339516 168053 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh also not to mention their site is literally named porneia
> 1788339523 273559 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:VoidPtr14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192144&oldid=192142 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (-555) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/192142|192142]] by [[Special:Contributions/Miui|Miui]] ([[User talk:Miui|talk]]) revert vandalism again
< 1788339529 840344 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :god damn
< 1788339539 309992 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thankfully there doesnt seem to be any porn *on* the website itself
< 1788339551 206432 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which means you can go ahead and see how god damn atrocious it is
< 1788339558 121152 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :atrocious as in the colors
< 1788339558 246937 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, editing war type shit is brewing I think
< 1788339562 83242 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1788339568 778431 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're going to miuis talk page about their site
> 1788339649 759386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:VoidPtr14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192145&oldid=192144 5* 03Miui 5* (+555) 10undo vandalism by dragoneater. please refer to [[WSAP#external_resources]] wiki-squatting/agenda-pushing.
> 1788339659 449743 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:CDEV14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=192146 5* 03CDEV 5* (+133) 10Created page with "Hello. I write shitty code and brag on [https://www.youtube.com/@cdev-eloper youtube].  You can message me on projects-cdev@proton.me"
> 1788339730 779340 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192147&oldid=191140 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+0) 10/* Truth machine */ fix
< 1788339762 352899 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i question why esolangs remove unicode symbol
< 1788339765 713866 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s
< 1788339775 925925 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*wonder
< 1788339805 232916 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: Anyway, we're okay with starting bot loops, but make sure you have a plan for stopping it if it works. One that doesn't involve waiting until someone who can stop it wakes up :P
< 1788339832 979536 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oiki
> 1788339847 30039 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:VoidPtr14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192148&oldid=192145 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (-555) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/192145|192145]] by [[Special:Contributions/Miui|Miui]] ([[User talk:Miui|talk]]) Please stop vandalizing pages. If you need to publish your spam links, do it at your user page
> 1788339934 637441 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:VoidPtr14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192149&oldid=192148 5* 03Miui 5* (+555) 10undo vandalism by blashyrkh please refer to [[WSAP#external_resources]] wiki-squatting/agenda-pushing.
> 1788339977 144368 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192150&oldid=191930 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+614) 10/* dude. */ new section
> 1788339987 911756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:VoidPtr14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192151&oldid=192149 5* 03Miui 5* (-555) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/192149|192149]] by [[Special:Contributions/Miui|Miui]] ([[User talk:Miui|talk]])
< 1788340004 752466 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is sum cursed shite
< 1788340013 604582 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea this is also our patience burning up with them
< 1788340028 417680 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :theyre just being openly malicious now
< 1788340061 971035 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hate to see it.
< 1788340070 401711 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea its saad
< 1788340083 330543 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Poor ais523 will have to step in :-/
> 1788340085 935248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192152&oldid=192147 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+115) 10forgor to document this
< 1788340087 33663 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least they give a good distillation of the behavior we *dont* want here
< 1788340116 427647 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its even shaking up some of the other ppl who are typically off topic
< 1788340177 929651 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :giving me tommyeater flash backs
< 1788340203 963198 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we recognize the name but not enough to know what ur talking about
< 1788340208 433493 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :could u give us the tea
< 1788340214 287152 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :YES
< 1788340236 239656 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(will tke. bit to write lol)
< 1788340241 956204 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye its oki
> 1788340247 285968 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192153&oldid=192150 5* 03Miui 5* (-56) 10Nope.
< 1788340251 460537 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we'll be paying attention to wiki activity
< 1788340254 137125 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait hold on
< 1788340261 122360 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :WHAT
< 1788340270 229985 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :they literally got rid of the fucking message we put
> 1788340282 798379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192154&oldid=192153 5* 03Miui 5* (-1) 10Nope. Nope.
< 1788340285 6022 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :they didnt even try responding to it
< 1788340315 373608 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was literally an intrusive thought we had as part of our habit of escalating things in our head
< 1788340360 929346 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh also they replaced it *with* the shitty link they tried pasting in voidptr
< 1788340401 77449 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this neocities space might even be worth an edit filter at this point, to thwart future replacement accounts
< 1788340406 451196 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :5 million percent confident thisll get ais to actually do something
< 1788340421 448388 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION sighs

< 1788340433 450875 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: neocities is just a free site hoster
< 1788340440 784462 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we don't think its inherently malicious
< 1788340462 314649 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so there was this sandbox war thing, dunno much about it, a group of people wanted to make content on the public sandbox be permanently there so ais and them kinda just fought to each other. I got involved cuz I made an esolang called 0134, which kept getting some sort of vandalism(a used added commands without being allowed to, after being told to
< 1788340462 815385 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not multiple times by me), and that person happened to be associated with these wars. For whatever I reason I kept an eye out for them to make sure they didn't fuck with me more, which lead me to see all the weird "propaganda" vandalism type things they were doing, and thinking why not, kinda thought back against it. its kinda blurry from there but
< 1788340463 315736 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :god was it infuriating lmao.
< 1788340469 206013 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats what the tommyeaater thing ws
< 1788340475 975499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: I know. I wasn't going to name the full URL for the logs.
> 1788340490 749772 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192155&oldid=192152 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+71) 10/* Overview */ apply a change
< 1788340492 379527 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oki oki
< 1788340497 903236 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: Yes! for example I ave a blog on there lol
> 1788340530 891318 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192156&oldid=191616 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+223) 10/* Interpreter */
< 1788340533 585736 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also yea tea appreciated
< 1788340542 806689 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: great!
< 1788340576 472544 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we'll ping ais so he can get The Scoop on what's happened with us
< 1788340608 686643 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not that the tommyeater(or awesome now that I think about it) thing is effectively handled
> 1788340653 737639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192157&oldid=192156 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+698) 10/* "After sending a signal the program waits for the signal handler to finish, but it keeps listening for new signals." */ new section
< 1788340655 582823 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: miui tried plastering their shitty website on [[VoidPtr]], to which we opened a section on their talk page confronting them about it, to which they simply *edited out*
< 1788340675 319780 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :they also edit warred over their website being on [[VoidPtr]]
< 1788340701 299844 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh and their site also links their onlyfans too
< 1788340791 433822 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we dont think that could possibly make it any more obvious that the 'maya kendrick' in their site is referring to the porn star, and that theyre deliberately trying to trick people with the description of them on there
< 1788340845 17362 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh and also that miui is being actively malicious
< 1788340870 41191 :inhahe!~inhahe@user/inhahe PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it just me or is using ai to make programming languages to build clout on an esoteric language wiki an efficient way to advertise porn =p
> 1788340876 669909 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192158&oldid=192154 5* 03Miui 5* (+0) 10I dont talk to sock puppets.
< 1788340890 293320 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :inhahe: ?
< 1788340891 187544 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :explain
< 1788340908 91278 :inhahe!~inhahe@user/inhahe PRIVMSG #esolangs : i must misunderstand what's going on, i don't follow these thintgs
< 1788340914 619137 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :inhane: Miui certainly thinks so
> 1788340920 96419 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192159&oldid=192157 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+215) 10/* "After sending a signal the program waits for the signal handler to finish, but it keeps listening for new signals." */
< 1788340924 379235 :inhahe!~inhahe@user/inhahe PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, i meant inefficient
< 1788340936 859585 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they certainly DONT think so lmao
< 1788340938 993221 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :o
< 1788340939 769280 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :inhahe: the notion that you could build clout on esolangs.org is funny
> 1788340941 733127 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192160&oldid=192155 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (-115) 10
< 1788340946 506082 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: true
< 1788340953 499493 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e lmao
< 1788340979 727557 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :god we wish ais was up rn
< 1788340984 64827 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :when does he normally log on?
< 1788340998 169930 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's *very* early in the US
< 1788341007 491077 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is ais in the US?
< 1788341011 394360 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aint he in the UK?
< 1788341019 22097 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, that's fizzie
< 1788341035 405476 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :every country has an assigned user I see
< 1788341036 581484 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could be wrong.
< 1788341036 914477 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmao
< 1788341065 424155 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh something on miuis talk page now
< 1788341067 291116 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :>policing thought in the current times is significantly more problematic and harmful than acciddentally making a few bad esolangs. period. end of discussion.
< 1788341070 611093 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I don't think I am, but I don't really track where people live. I'll remember if it comes up frequently enough.)
< 1788341089 573233 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I remember ais talking about UK politics (as opposed to korvo on American politics) which seemed as though either person lived respective place but idk.
< 1788341107 760959 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :first and foremost the phrase "policing thought" referring to what it does here is fucking ridiculous
< 1788341193 540392 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also its a good piece of insight into how miui views what they do on this wiki
< 1788341236 413773 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz theyre (assumingly) referring to their own contributions
< 1788341292 300477 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :calling it just thought is in line with our "containers for raw ideas" quip we have to describe the slop content we see
> 1788341293 226284 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192161&oldid=192160 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (-18) 10/* XKCD Random Number */ fix
< 1788341317 21036 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it also lines up with miuis own languages and justifications
< 1788341339 622293 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like inflexion and the (at first) bizarre justification of [[Nah.]]s existence
> 1788341361 57803 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192162&oldid=192161 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (-98) 10/* Hello, world! */ fix
< 1788341375 60099 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :for the latter we remember it was something like "well nah is han backwards, which is cjk for one, which i think makes it relevant"
< 1788341462 572969 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you put aside the fact that that sounds like a line from a half life 3 confirmed joke, you can see how theyre justifying [[Nah.]]s existence merely by connecting it to a concept
< 1788341597 488866 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yknow something that should be discussed more about figuring out what's low-quality on this wiki?
< 1788341601 407497 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what's high-quality on this wiki
< 1788341620 11258 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :more specifically, what our threshhold on 'quality' should be
> 1788341675 143346 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192163&oldid=192162 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+9) 10/* Truth machine */ fix
< 1788341675 154706 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz like if we're talking about the standards of the wiki and what they are, we're also talking about the standards of the wiki and what they are
> 1788341722 458308 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192164&oldid=192159 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+233) 10/* "After sending a signal the program waits for the signal handler to finish, but it keeps listening for new signals." */
< 1788341777 755442 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :speaking of which
< 1788341793 951645 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :those hello, world/truth machine/xkcd random number/etc edits
< 1788341802 570395 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :those just seem, WAY too easy to add onto any page
< 1788341809 932904 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like theyre *too* basic concepts
< 1788341815 230745 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its easy to spam edits with
< 1788341867 587071 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which we feel like facilitates wiki gaming and low quality contributors
< 1788341917 919008 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the Truth machine is useful for seeing certain capabilities of. language, but XKCD and other things which just, output a constant or whatever are too easy
< 1788341945 543436 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Those edits are fine, really; they add value. Think of it as adding examples to existing pages.
< 1788341947 166475 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think hello world programs are good to have on a page, but we dont need like 2 or 3 other problems which serve a similar skill threshhold
< 1788341962 789642 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1788341979 720385 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yea but theyre the *same* examples which can be made regardless of the language at hand
< 1788341983 446088 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it kinda reminds me of merging *languages* which are basically the exact same, perhaps we do the same for programs which do such
< 1788341986 585752 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which kind of defeats the point of having language examples
< 1788342007 5188 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: Truth machine, again, demonstrates techniques and such used for programming in the language
< 1788342008 843506 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :since it doesnt show anything unique or interesting about the language
< 1788342019 950406 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like how to make loops and how to output and how to do conditional checks
< 1788342033 330568 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially if those things are not directly in the language
< 1788342034 221132 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye thats fair
< 1788342072 107803 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I disagree. Each language page lives, to some extent, in isolation. The fact that other language pages also have hello world and truth machine programs doesn't really matter in that view.
< 1788342081 530742 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats also true
< 1788342095 895105 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :well it does matter in the view of wiki gaming
< 1788342135 716929 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :tolerating some level of background noise in contributions was how we ended up here in the first place
< 1788342174 137235 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :where *most* of the edits being done are stuff that was happening years ago, but wasnt really paid attention to properly
< 1788342198 9077 :Yayimheretoo!~Yayimhere@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed
< 1788342223 373665 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wawa
< 1788342235 206471 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :betting its a computer crash
< 1788342261 246513 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :God we wish ais was here
< 1788342272 162175 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The thing is, if your attitude becomes to disallow everything that *could* enable trolling ("wiki gaming"), then you'll quickly end up with a wiki that disables edits completely.
< 1788342299 621309 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's mostly a people problem, not a content-level problem.
< 1788342319 984894 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we agree
< 1788342334 897064 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Limiting the scope can only do so much; trolls *thrive* on skirting the established boundaries.
< 1788342343 349741 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1788342370 670383 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :honestly we were kinda just venting some feelings when we made that original point about the truth machine and xkcd examples
< 1788342423 678845 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we still think the xkcd random number examples are annoying, but we have changed our mind otherwise
< 1788342467 542844 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also int-e there is a big difference between trolling and wiki gaming
< 1788342498 180737 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :trolling is what miui is doing right now, deliberately being an asshole and trying to get away with it
> 1788342526 922114 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-/Turing-completeness proof14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192165&oldid=192139 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+42) 10/* Example */
< 1788342542 576148 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wiki gaming is just when you try to treat wiki contributing as a game about how much of an impact you can have on a wiki
< 1788342556 524536 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :most commonly, how many edits or pages you can make
> 1788342592 301807 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192166&oldid=192164 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+472) 10/* "After sending a signal the program waits for the signal handler to finish, but it keeps listening for new signals." */
< 1788342613 498909 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: wiki gaming becomes trolling when it's out of scope for the wiki (which it is, since it's not documenting esolangs or an adjacent topic but rather using the wiki as a playground)
< 1788342643 592965 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we might have different connotations attached to the word trolling
< 1788342658 108929 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :to us, 'trolling' is a nasty word
< 1788342671 824672 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its reserved for people who are actively trying to hurt others
< 1788342706 406844 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :your definition is useful for what we're talking about, but we wouldnt call it trolling
< 1788342723 229825 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres probably a good word for it but it's not coming to us
< 1788342752 622101 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm assuming that the participants know/have been told that this particular wiki is not a playground.
> 1788342758 480749 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Simpl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192167&oldid=192064 5* 03Cordership 5* (+71) 10/* Syntax */
< 1788342759 925448 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :At which time it becomes intentional.
< 1788342789 543238 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're assuming theyre just kids
< 1788342850 82829 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe its cuz our prior experience with wikis is in a roblox fandom one, but
< 1788342901 185684 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we dont wanna bunch miui with people like none1
< 1788342954 825347 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's obvious differences in intention (and actions) between them
< 1788342969 486795 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and we think it's clean to say that miui is trolling while both are wiki gaming
< 1788342981 186510 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yswim
< 1788342981 951594 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, the consideration is still there, in that not all trolls are the same. Some can still be saved ;-)
< 1788343066 909393 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what we're saying is we dont like you calling both typical kid behavior and miuis behavior trolling
> 1788343092 61043 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Simpl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192168&oldid=192167 5* 03Cordership 5* (+296) 10/* Syntax */
< 1788343103 190510 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we dont think others need to be 'saved' from kid behavior
< 1788343122 415944 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :theyll probably just grow up and out of the wiki in general with time
< 1788343126 801175 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :No the kids are the ones who need to be saved of course.
< 1788343134 372386 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh true
< 1788343146 105807 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait yea thats even more literal cuz of the shit thats on miuis site
< 1788343188 711494 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it still hasnt fully sunk in that theres a nonzero chance some kid could unwittingly look up porn because of them right now
< 1788343195 292551 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least until ais wakes up and parses all of this
< 1788343421 513797 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://porneia.neocities.org/wiki/Brainfuck at least this looks cool
< 1788343441 651136 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its just the esolangs page for bf but with some weird glitch thing on the left
< 1788343466 662041 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we checked the photo in a separate tab its not anything inappropriate thankfully
< 1788343474 77664 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:4d7:bbc1:9f29:403f QUIT :Ping timeout: 251 seconds
< 1788343630 676240 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe we should talk about our own esolang to ease our nerves about all of this
< 1788343661 326689 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a microarchitecture based off gap buffers (called cut buffers in the lang)
< 1788343673 202242 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically like a text editor
< 1788343713 803439 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the way it works rn is that theres a 'main' cut which serves as global memory
< 1788343767 299427 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is this logically different from having two stacks (one for what comes before the gap and another one for what comes after)?
< 1788343776 54076 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1788343791 512457 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :our original implementation of cuts was actually with stacks
< 1788343805 60892 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but they both took up ~100 lines of code each
< 1788343836 609358 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because that's a common thing to do; in particular it can simulate tapes (if you ignore stuff details like the gap size being bounded)
< 1788343837 344844 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and we rewrote it into a single thing which also turned out to be 100 loc
< 1788343842 684389 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1788343872 309911 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the intent is that it can be used to easily simulate a rewriting system
< 1788343891 691225 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :for the purpose of language compilation/interpretation
< 1788343962 278091 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :building such a system up from a few fundamental instructions (the microarchitecture) would also allow us to write equally fundamental things which could make it MUCH more powerful to that end
< 1788343983 875400 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats actually one of the big goals of the project, to make language implementation piss easy
< 1788343987 665670 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but we digress
< 1788344042 945120 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a cut which is global memory, and the memory is initialized by default with the cut that has the current code, the memory itself, a cut which contains each argument in the form of a cut, and 0
< 1788344095 984993 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :all the instructions are just very basic things you can do with cuts
< 1788344111 42741 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :moving their cursor, copying from one to another, typing a certain number, etc
< 1788344119 697138 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres 2 important caveats to this though
< 1788344169 558136 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :firstly, the first argument of each instruction corresponds to a cut in memory
< 1788344221 94213 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :to be clearer, if you have something like `inst @1`, `@1` refers to whatever cut is stored in the first element of memory
< 1788344225 773477 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which, by default, is the memory itself
< 1788344300 895510 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so i.e. `new @1` would assign the current cell in [the cut stored in cell 1 of memory] to a newly-allocated cut
< 1788344348 997923 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :`new @0` would assign it to [the cut stored in cell 0 of memory], by default the code being ran
< 1788344352 42469 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :new? No such file or directory
< 1788344360 909227 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bebebebe
< 1788344376 882714 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:85e4:1ed3:8fe:6acc JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User
< 1788344382 401494 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, so you get a tree.
< 1788344386 741197 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1788344397 485341 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :secondly, (nearly) all arguments in an instruction are literals
< 1788344410 349607 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's fine for something like `move`, which moves the cursor in a cut by a given amount
< 1788344417 958987 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but not for something like `add`
< 1788344471 591774 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :our idea with this was to make it so that you'd have to make a new cut, type the `add` instruction and the values you wanna add into it, then run it
< 1788344494 541446 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :or something along those lines
< 1788344522 651892 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh right theres also the `run` instruction, which changes what code is currently running to the given cut
< 1788344570 610913 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we are currently trying to come up with a system to make something like that cleanly and extensibly
< 1788344576 215881 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :in other words, we are trying to implement functions
< 1788344644 405638 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also int-e trees are also very important in ralsei
< 1788344658 124054 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz asts can be modeled by cuts very easily in that way
< 1788344711 620346 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :where you just store the address of cuts in other cuts to represent branches of parent nodes
< 1788344743 348707 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :though we do have concerns about how youd access the contents of said trees
< 1788344760 758340 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz again the core instructions can only index stuff from global memory
< 1788344813 812076 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so we feel like you'd have to 'unfold' the tree by repeatedly taking the pointers out and putting them in main memory until you get to the one you wanna index
< 1788344852 894544 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually wait
< 1788344884 264741 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fsr we had the idea that there'd be a linear increase in needed memory relative to the depth of the search
< 1788344916 138484 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it would actually only be constant if you just took the last one off before adding the new one
< 1788345009 105445 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're half tempted to publish the source code we have rn to get help with this
< 1788345034 937193 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but we dont wanna do that until we get it to a state we're happy wiith
< 1788345141 219914 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh something about the 'make a new cut and run that' approach to functions that we really like
< 1788345172 730106 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :theoretically you wouldnt even need a return stack to make nested functions calls successfully
< 1788345218 778877 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz you can just plop the code that switches to the previous running cut directly into it
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> 1788353306 612093 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:VoidPtr14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192190&oldid=192189 5* 03Basilisk 5* (+2) 10format
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< 1788354124 60517 :inhahe!~inhahe@user/inhahe PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe you sohuld make a little syntax for accessing branches in the cut tree
> 1788354257 734214 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192192&oldid=192177 5* 03Miui 5* (+22960) 10Draft up the most concise possible introduction and definite basis for the languag.
> 1788354384 906654 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:VoidPtr14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192193&oldid=192190 5* 03Basilisk 5* (+359) 10Alright, I'll prove it.
> 1788354993 789958 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:-14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192194&oldid=192181 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (-3) 10/* Kolakoski sequence */ 3 bytes shorter
> 1788355083 370629 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Blashyrkh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192195&oldid=192182 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+17) 10Shorter [[Kolakoski sequence]] in [[-]] (142 > 139)
> 1788355193 272937 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192196&oldid=192192 5* 03Miui 5* (+197) 10Add Category: Output only, External resources
> 1788355225 640493 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192197&oldid=192196 5* 03Miui 5* (+1) 10fix category spelling
> 1788355953 42642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192198&oldid=192197 5* 03Miui 5* (+431) 10/* Instruction pointer */ describe "below stack section" and pointers for program execution
> 1788355998 538425 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192199&oldid=192198 5* 03Miui 5* (+2) 10/* Male chanter */ fix bss
> 1788356078 5736 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192200&oldid=192199 5* 03Miui 5* (+4) 10further debugging of the bss ("below stack section")
> 1788356121 942443 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192201&oldid=192200 5* 03Miui 5* (-1) 10/* Female chanter */ fix errors
> 1788356787 893550 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192202&oldid=192201 5* 03Miui 5* (+2) 10Make the female chanter section subordinate to the male chanter section
> 1788356938 955722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192203&oldid=192202 5* 03Miui 5* (+21) 10/* Female chanter */ further debugging
> 1788357314 413677 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ChuckEsoteric0814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192204&oldid=191373 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+14) 10/* 2026 */
> 1788357741 722132 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Second Coming14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192205&oldid=191735 5* 03Cordership 5* (+181) 10/* Conditional statement */
> 1788357805 560584 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ChuckEsoteric0814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192206&oldid=192204 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+23) 10/* 2026 */
> 1788357823 326087 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Second Coming14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192207&oldid=192205 5* 03Cordership 5* (+51) 10/* Conditional statement */
> 1788358227 359286 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-/Turing-completeness proof14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192208&oldid=192165 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+182) 10the solution is to wait with noops
> 1788358282 8491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Second Coming14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192209&oldid=192207 5* 03Cordership 5* (+22) 10/* Chapter 2: Operators */
> 1788358341 565761 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Second Coming14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192210&oldid=192209 5* 03Cordership 5* (+25) 10/* Categories and References */
> 1788358454 351341 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192211&oldid=191916 5* 03Cordership 5* (+77) 10/* Python-based */ new section
> 1788358542 576432 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192212&oldid=192211 5* 03Cordership 5* (+130) 10/* Python-based */
> 1788358777 581829 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192213&oldid=192203 5* 03Miui 5* (-22074) 10/* Instruction pointer */ make flag smaller
> 1788358857 555063 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192214&oldid=192213 5* 03Miui 5* (+17) 10/* Instruction pointer */ center the flag
> 1788359283 526171 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Fictology 5*  10New user account
> 1788359290 370916 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192215&oldid=192214 5* 03Miui 5* (+266) 10link to resources about murray polygons
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> 1788360396 995941 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192216&oldid=192143 5* 03Fictology 5* (+236) 10/* Introductions */
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> 1788361127 958972 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03SE 5*  10New user account
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> 1788361672 498896 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192217&oldid=192216 5* 03SE 5* (+150) 10
> 1788361851 14092 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Prime14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=192218 5* 03Fictology 5* (+3390) 10Created page with "Prime  Fictology  [https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E7%AE%97%E6%9C%AF%E5%9F%BA%E6%9C%AC%E5%AE%9A%E7%90%86/10920095 ] lambda..."
> 1788361952 174532 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Prime14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192219&oldid=192218 5* 03Fictology 5* (+154) 10/* Commad Table */
> 1788362144 273465 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Prime14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192220&oldid=192219 5* 03Fictology 5* (+53) 10/* Example */
> 1788362159 590194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Timeroot 5*  10New user account
> 1788362233 868560 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Prime14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192221&oldid=192220 5* 03Fictology 5* (-71) 10/* Prime Language Compiler */
> 1788362236 232726 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192222&oldid=192217 5* 03Timeroot 5* (+249) 10introducing myself!
> 1788362270 156752 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Prime14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192223&oldid=192221 5* 03Fictology 5* (+73) 10/* Example */
> 1788362282 60417 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Prime14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192224&oldid=192223 5* 03Fictology 5* (+0) 10/* Example */
> 1788362368 568549 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Prime14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192225&oldid=192224 5* 03Fictology 5* (+1) 10/* Commad Table */
> 1788362447 662192 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192226&oldid=192212 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+48) 10/* Python-based */ unsigned
> 1788362865 546277 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Prime14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=192227 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+225) 10Created page with "pages on this wiki should be written in english --~~~~"
> 1788363214 58288 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FFS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192228&oldid=165158 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+59) 10categorize some more
> 1788363244 455764 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FFS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192229&oldid=192228 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+24) 10cell-based
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> 1788363845 430316 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hypercube14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=192230 5* 03Timeroot 5* (+8872) 10Defining the Hypercube esolang
> 1788363847 617694 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Arra14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192231&oldid=171684 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+68) 10unknown computational class & unimplemented
> 1788364577 19138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07THE ROARING KNIGHT CHALLENGES YOU TO A DUEL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192232&oldid=164279 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+110) 10categorization
> 1788365084 598995 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Two-instruction madness!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192233&oldid=122636 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-1) 10/* Interpreters */ if you want a code block, either use pre or indent by one space
< 1788366211 279722 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :non-esoteric programming question that I think you might be able to answer. sometimes when people compile a program for a unix-like system, they want to install it to a place that's at a different pathname at install time than it will be at runtime. so you have to tell both of these to the make/configure scripts. can you point me to a document that describes the conventions that make this easy if I'm 
< 1788366217 281489 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :developing a program, like what to name the pathname variables to make it easy for those people (eg. those that make distro packages or cross-compile) to understand? also pathnames for where to find dependency libraries at compile time vs runtime?
> 1788369774 146043 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan774114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192234&oldid=191979 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+331) 10/* 2026-present - aeopgj30jgewjgoejg90eGko3g */
< 1788369878 829117 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :cu
< 1788369882 743279 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :☺
< 1788369885 362703 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :😴
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< 1788369939 723331 :FreeFull!~freefull@79.186.135.4.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl CHGHOST ~freefull :user/FreeFull
> 1788370077 388641 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tonk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192235&oldid=191689 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+334) 10/* Developer tanks */
< 1788371167 339119 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Run time configuration files is another thing that you might want to know the path name (although files in the home directory, or specified by environment variables or command-line arguments, might override that if they are available)
< 1788373014 717061 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :getauxval(AT_SECURE) should have been defined with its value backwards, so that it gives nonzero for normal programs and zero for setid programs, because getauxval fails to zero if you pass an unknown argument to it.
> 1788373141 799429 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan774114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192236&oldid=192234 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+106) 10
< 1788374100 669600 :somefan!~somefan@user/somefan PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello
< 1788374203 837069 :somefan!~somefan@user/somefan PRIVMSG #esolangs :thunder is coming, which is nice. i like the sound of rain
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< 1788374223 211783 :somefan!~somefan@user/somefan PRIVMSG #esolangs :seeya
< 1788374282 164351 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
> 1788374830 871147 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MediaWiki:Abusefilter-blocked-link14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=192237 5* 03Ais523 5* (+273) 10explanation for an edit that was prevented due to containing a link that has been spammed
> 1788375004 324628 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Zymbol-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192238&oldid=182535 5* 03Ais523 5* (-166) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/182506|182506]] by [[Special:Contributions/Miui|Miui]] ([[User talk:Miui|talk]])  links to site that has been spammed recently, links to that site are no longer allowed
< 1788375042 490838 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, there are more links to this site than I expected
< 1788375056 619270 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe I should only block the homepage
< 1788375063 625253 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but edit-warring a spam link onto a page is not acceptable behavior
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> 1788375242 822700 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02.:10]]": only description about the language is "constant language thats nullary in base 13. It is not a joke.", and the page was primarily being used as a link repository rather than a description of the language
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< 1788375331 444682 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: could you also revert miuis talk page to the edit that we made to it
< 1788375341 456783 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz they just immediately removed what we said on there
< 1788375372 587432 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: actually I'd prefer to not have the link there
< 1788375389 905668 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1788375390 227733 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a comment saying "please don't link to this page" is somewhat self-undermining if it contains a link to the page
< 1788375398 186440 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry
< 1788375407 920000 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :would it be okay if we added it back but got rid of the link
< 1788375453 187820 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1788375457 55324 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay okay
< 1788375492 480559 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, the website in question is being used to host things like interpreters, but also used to host exact copies of things which might potentially be copyright-infringing but I don't have enough information
< 1788375498 890778 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I'm not sure what to do about existing links
< 1788375527 718817 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its still shameless promo
< 1788375530 838130 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did configure the spam filter to block links to Miui's website being newly added (because there was evidence that Miui was trying to spam it)
< 1788375551 977765 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if this was some corpo site instead the grounds to ban it for that reason would be much more obvious
< 1788375634 658329 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, repeated offtopic spam (with no ontopic edits) is a reason to block the site, block the account, and revert everything the account ever did – it was many years ago now, but esolangs.org used to get very high quantities of spambots
< 1788375647 967819 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that used to be pretty much all the admin work I did, blocking spambots and deleting the spam
< 1788375660 797885 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then we added the Introduce yourself page, and none of the existing spambot frameworks could figure out how to get past it
< 1788375667 919324 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, the decisions are getting harder now
< 1788375672 952197 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for wiki moderation
< 1788375710 734600 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can probably delete over a thousand pages in an hour if the decisions are easy enough and the network isn't being slow
< 1788375736 176354 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actual speed of admin actions is not the problem, it's working out when to perform them and what to perform
< 1788375766 959858 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on misbehaving users, my normal strategy is to gradually remove their ability to use site features that they've been abusing, e.g. if someone vandalises other people's user talk pages, you remove their ability to edit other people's user talk pages
< 1788375795 978102 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :eventually this reaches an equilibrium where they give up misusing things, and either use things correctly or leave the site
> 1788375878 996505 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192239&oldid=192158 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+37) 10
< 1788376005 76835 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oya we checked miuis most recent edits
< 1788376011 315244 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :theyre on https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Miui/Sandbox
< 1788376027 231834 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it has a section that says >The inherent sex of the chanter must be decided given the options male or female.
< 1788376123 875029 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we dont think thats grounds for anything but its way nastier cuz of miuis other actions
< 1788376125 977633 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this appears to refer to some variable inside an esolang?
< 1788376143 103896 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea its under ==Program Execution==
< 1788376269 385745 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also for some reason there's a flag on there which is rendered by manually drawing a bunch of 1px(?) wide boxes in css
< 1788376282 917009 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its not that egregious now but it was a few edits ago
< 1788376297 871128 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :again not grounds for anything
< 1788376301 517008 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its just bizarre
> 1788376330 379099 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192240&oldid=191597 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+380) 10/* QuineAvoiding() */ not sure but miui has this listed under constant languages so i'm adding it
> 1788376343 671468 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan774114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192241&oldid=192236 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-2564) 10
< 1788376426 887809 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you are using 1px wide boxes in CSS to render a very large picture flag then it might be considered too excessive (and may result too big file and too much time and/or memory to render on some computers)
< 1788376443 278788 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea we were thinking that
< 1788376453 652992 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was genuinely excessive before but now its pretty small
< 1788376467 336341 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also like there's just a picture of the flag on the wikipedia page
< 1788376471 650331 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just use that dummy
< 1788376642 791443 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: I think you can't embed pictures hosted elsewhere into a mediawiki page, and that's as it should be on most webpages with user-submitted content from multiple users together, though sadly many forums don't behave that way.
< 1788376721 91246 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
> 1788376722 314726 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TryHard14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192242&oldid=173672 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+110) 10categorization
< 1788376740 592807 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we still cant imagine its that hard to just reupload the image tho
< 1788376746 873276 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :on some forums I even block external images (with some exceptions) on the browser-side
< 1788376800 435637 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :image uploads should be pretty rare here
< 1788376822 579395 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also true
< 1788376823 846625 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been considering deleting most of Miui's on the "defining offtopic content to be part of an esolang doens't make it ontopic" rule
< 1788376831 69715 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :haven't got around to it yet
< 1788376850 534405 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but at least that rule seems fairly uncontroversial, I should probably pur it on the policy page
> 1788376875 78079 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Raylang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192243&oldid=112014 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+243) 10categorization, also does this count as pseudonatural or thematic?
< 1788376879 47144 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"offtopic things dont make things ontopic" seems like a pretty obvious rule
< 1788376895 313154 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've put some content on the wiki that is not clearly on-topic, but I hope I'm doing it in a less annoying way
> 1788377058 430082 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Policy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192244&oldid=179152 5* 03Ais523 5* (+275) 10add/explain the rule about not being able to create an esolang to make offtopic content ontopic; this was mentioned in the 2026 topicality proposal and seems uncontroversial
< 1788377074 587749 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: there's a lot of grey area
< 1788377077 859013 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait we misread "uncontroversial" as "unconventional"
< 1788377081 380893 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :apologies
< 1788377097 584608 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, that's what I'm mostly relying on
> 1788377099 630073 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Karvity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192245&oldid=167770 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+188) 10categorization
< 1788377111 67641 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also about topicality in general
< 1788377119 744079 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe self deprecation also has something to do with it?
< 1788377122 148704 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :turns out, computation is everywhere if you look deeply
< 1788377148 965608 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like we went through some of raiseafloppafans pages and kept seeing them self deprecating everything they made
< 1788377158 308639 :raiseafloppafan!~raiseaflo@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :?
< 1788377182 62306 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe it was cuz we only went through like a small amount of your pages
< 1788377227 682485 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but its a pattern we've seen around low effort languages in general
> 1788377288 487544 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ooord14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192246&oldid=175754 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+57) 10categorization
< 1788377314 157202 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :reminds us of how r/programminghorrors has a bunch of low-quality submissions since people just started submitting their own code and talking about how bad it was
> 1788377472 336203 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SSEG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192247&oldid=177526 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+129) 10categorization
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> 1788377549 795742 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cookie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192248&oldid=163155 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+135) 10categorization
> 1788377620 680503 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitsflit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192249&oldid=159873 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+110) 10categorization
> 1788377760 779974 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Gdy Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192250&oldid=109236 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+119) 10computational class + bf derivative cats
> 1788377811 676951 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gdy Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192251&oldid=109243 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+114) 10categorization
> 1788378471 911662 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gdy Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192252&oldid=192251 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (-10) 10Since it lacks loops it can't be TC. It's total
< 1788378584 112044 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: fwiw I think "thing is usable for computation but wasn't designed as a programming language" is ontopic: it's usable as a programming language and yet wasn't intended as a practical programming language, that's close to a definition of an esolang
< 1788378633 665688 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I'm not sure that making pages specifically about, say, M:tG or Netrunner would make sense (rather, it makes more sense to make pages about the languages that were used to prove them TC)
< 1788378663 856523 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: how about esoteric things that you can do in an existing non-esoteric programming language? yeah, I shouldn't even ask, we have Subtyping engine and JSFuck
< 1788378704 219206 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess a good dividing line is: The Subtyping Machine doesn't explain the semantics of Java at all, just exploits part of its type system
< 1788378721 540176 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and likewise an article on JSFuck wouldn't contain enough information to allow you to learn how to program in JavaScript
< 1788378734 340755 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well sometimes they aren't TC but just allow computations in a large memory size whose size is determined by the program
< 1788378738 310984 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the focus is on the relevant part
< 1788378749 730321 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and TC isn't really the boundary, but usability for computation)
< 1788378864 845429 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, but occasionally the language that we use is boring
< 1788378890 475217 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :like in OpenTTD where it's just some boolean gates on registers
< 1788378916 977673 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's how you embed it into an OpenTTD save that's interesting
< 1788378955 33701 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and for JSFuck and Subtyping Machine it's interesting how you embed them into Javascript and Java, even if the simulated language can be interesting alone
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< 1788379004 579496 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yes, the embedding is the interesting part of the page about the embedded language
< 1788379025 951601 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, we still write the page from the point of view of the embedded language, even if the embedding is the only interesting part
< 1788379042 379287 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1788379161 972062 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Tom7's ABC might be an even better example, the language that it compiles from isn't interesting in any esoteric way, but how it can be simulated is
< 1788379307 43723 :raiseafloppafan!~raiseaflo@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] raiseafloppafan
< 1788379321 196920 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, the languages being embedded often are interesting
< 1788379348 717325 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Flooding Waterfall Model was nontrivial to even prove TC, and The Subtyping Machine is quite different from most esolangs we see posted
< 1788379384 168115 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :even the language embedded into Netrunner, despite essentially being a two-counter machine, has a lot of weirdness to it
< 1788379392 863041 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah. and StackFlow is interesting in its own right even after we failed to fix the M:tG construction
< 1788379437 972854 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well even a fully general two-counter Minsky machine with arbitrary flow control is esoteric enough
< 1788379452 497775 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :very much not something you want to use for production programming
< 1788379469 635625 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it's not trivial why it's TC
< 1788379511 438842 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you're right about Flooding Waterfall Model
< 1788379583 936564 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :One of my user subpages has a section about Magic: the Gathering, with only a very brief description but does link to the Flooding Waterfall Model.
< 1788379642 809514 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: StackFlow would be interesting to embed because it'd be so efficient, compared to most of the constructions that we could do in M:tG
< 1788379690 563377 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't like exponential slowdowns
< 1788379967 318066 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:B_jonas/Polyminoes is very likely off-topic, and https://esolangs.org/wiki/Font may be off-topic
< 1788380312 841036 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :does this mean that if we have two independent very different ways to prove that something like M:tG is usable for computation then we should document those in two different pages of the esowiki?
< 1788380353 710860 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :like we could have one page about Factorio combinators and one page on how to simulate boolean circuits with just Factorio belt transport?
< 1788380389 973713 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I think so
< 1788380398 450867 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :putting the different ways in the same article doesn't really make sense
< 1788380408 675927 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1788380419 725 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(this is already true for M:tG, given the extremely complicated two-state Turing machine that works by giving everything phasing)
< 1788380536 611131 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, the question then is what happens when we have multiple independent ways to prove that an esolang is Turing-complete
< 1788380701 359268 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this also happens quite a lot
< 1788380713 755275 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :most articles in that situation discuss one in detail and just mention the others
< 1788380817 902544 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, in particular I have two ways to embed two-stack machines into Consumer Society, but the language is more powerful than even a three-stack (or four-stack) machine because it can simulate efficient random access read-writable memory
< 1788380844 378195 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm not sure if those are truly independent, only that both ways are interesting and worth to know about
< 1788380855 646405 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, more complexity-powerful rather than more computationally-powerful
< 1788380864 949613 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is a direction I was thinking about with, e.g., Esimpl
< 1788380924 71999 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1788380946 740492 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's still computable
< 1788380987 611666 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that, in an n-stack machine, every increment of n adds more complexity-power (although I'm not totally sure)
< 1788381089 508740 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, I think that's true, but the third stack matters much more in practice than any additional ones
< 1788381211 540424 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in Consumer Society, the two-stack simulation is easier to directly prove than more stacks, like you get two stacks naturally, the same two stacks as in Underload and many other similar languages with an instruction stack and one data stack
< 1788381624 671280 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Meh... the argument order of _mm_andnot_ps is a bit surprising.
< 1788381815 551493 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: that's an old instruction from before AVX, so it matters which operand is in-out
< 1788381841 230735 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and register-only too
< 1788382648 495298 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: it's surprising in the asm, too
< 1788383572 45268 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] MarkFan8901
< 1788383605 535003 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: on the point about mainstream languages, we already have pages about them
< 1788383611 668544 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and their rule is that they can only cover esoteric things you can do in them
< 1788383620 884736 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which seems like a pretty good policy to have
< 1788383637 171019 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus it also sets a good bar for future pages about mainstream langs
< 1788383639 745131 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: I know, I am neutral on this, but I think there's a consensus in favor
< 1788383648 797127 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1788383662 817265 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok we're gonna read the rest of the convo now
> 1788383864 195237 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Broken Gdy Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192253&oldid=192250 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-10) 10since Gdy Brainfuck is total then this is total as well
< 1788383874 683661 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Yeah. It really only makes sense with the in place modification in mind.
< 1788384376 507895 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that multiple ways of Magic: the Gathering being Turing complete can be mentioned in one page, although most descriptions might be separate pages anyways (especially if the descriptions are long enough for this, and/or include things other than Magic: the Gathering as well so they are not primarily about Magic: the Gathering). For example, they could be listed in http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/Game_rules#Magic:_the_Gatheri
< 1788384411 20507 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(This is a specific example; other similar things that do not involve Magic: the Gathering, might similarly be applicable and/or not applicable)
< 1788384773 285464 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :would having them be in subpages on a single mtg page work?
< 1788384897 944674 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since some of them have their own standalone significance in addition to the significance with Magic: the Gathering (this is the case for Flooding Waterfall Model, which has its own semantics but then also the implementation in Magic: the Gathering), I would think that doing subpages like you describe probably won't do (although a category might do, but that will need more discussion to see if it will do or not)
< 1788384946 394631 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs : yea
< 1788384948 77600 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm
< 1788384949 794513 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is a tough cookie
< 1788385147 617118 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Magic: the Gathering is easy enough to search that I don't think it's worth a category
< 1788385156 171723 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yes, that applies to ICFP contest too
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< 1788385375 651529 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could see a point that not all esoteric things that you can do in production programming languages are on topic for the wiki, only some of them
< 1788385396 742838 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's not easy to define which ones
< 1788385453 28714 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we'd think the rules there could probably just be the same as whatever topicality rules we come up with
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< 1788385720 563816 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :When restricted to avx2, is there a better way to expand bits to bytes than https://paste.debian.net/hidden/cd839933 ? (mask registers are avx512 only, so can't be used)
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< 1788385775 844412 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the final mask is negated; that doesn't matter to me)
< 1788386043 49641 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lists normally work better than categories for most things, categories are more for things that are so widely applicable that you would want to check for them whenever you create a new page
< 1788386079 941811 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: that link is broken for me
< 1788386122 626528 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see. I need to stop using that pastebin. It keeps deleting some things very quickly.
< 1788386245 675332 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe this one? https://bpa.st/W4MGG
< 1788386463 374284 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: that may be more efficient than what I was thinking of
< 1788386544 561681 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which was to broadcast each single byte to 8, shift each byte by a varying amount so that the bit that controlled the byte you want ended up at the top of the byte, then using any of the many methods that expand the bit at the top of the word to cover the whole byte
< 1788386556 206371 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the problem being that there isn't a "shift bytes", only a "shift words"
< 1788386557 730625 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :)
< 1788386624 307303 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw, I think the most efficient way to use long vector constants is to store them in a static const somewhere and then just read them from memory when you need them
< 1788386820 143127 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I trust the compiler to figure that out. It did that for the first two constants; it used a vpxor for the 0 one
> 1788386832 338474 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192254&oldid=192226 5* 03Ais523 5* (+270) 10/* Python-based */ I don't think this would make for a good category
< 1788386862 463398 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, I'm used to writing these things in asm rather than with intrinsics
< 1788386873 733301 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I'm never quite sure to what extent the compiler optimizes intrinsics
< 1788387101 165724 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh no... I have an all-one constant as well, and for that one it does... vpcmpeqd y,y,y; vpabsb y,y
< 1788387131 595795 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(once, outside of the one hot loop that uses it, so it doesn't really matter)
< 1788387397 342289 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh there's a slight difference between gcc and clang there; clang uses vpbroadcastq with a memory operand for the second constant
> 1788387786 469695 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:WSAP14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=192255 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1290) 10explaining a deletion
> 1788387794 109880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02WSAP10]]": this claims the existence of something which may or may not be an esolang, but doesn't describe it at all, and what content the article does contain is self-contradictory; see talk
< 1788387857 740866 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: abs (x==x) might even be the most efficient way to create an all-1s constant
< 1788388319 879771 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: possibly. it was quite unexpected though
< 1788388408 207360 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh, clang figured out that it can compare the result of the `and` with the mask used to complement the result.
< 1788388420 228904 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :To avoid the vpandn?
< 1788388484 870612 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :GCC's code is faster though. Still, I had not considered that option :)
< 1788388492 440825 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I think there is something better but I'm not quite sure
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> 1788388984 107276 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192256&oldid=192239 5* 03Miui 5* (+711) 10
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> 1788389044 351587 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192257&oldid=192256 5* 03Miui 5* (-1) 10moving english discussion to the english discussion section
> 1788389164 179822 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192258&oldid=192127 5* 03Miui 5* (+97) 10/* miscellany */  Wiki squatting and Agenda pushing article moved to miscellany!
> 1788389348 391896 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192259&oldid=192257 5* 03Miui 5* (+376) 10/* dude. */
< 1788389585 437053 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"whatever smear campaign this is" lmao
> 1788389683 835203 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192260&oldid=192259 5* 03Miui 5* (+219) 10/* dude. */
> 1788390369 655104 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192261&oldid=192258 5* 03Miui 5* (+141) 10Added dafne archive and begin archive section because of an ongoing targeted attempt to find a way to ban my account
< 1788390546 858257 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: no, I retract that, the reasons why I'd thought there's something better don't work
< 1788391316 44373 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] MarkFan8901
> 1788391328 790598 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Dhaugh 5*  10New user account
< 1788391353 312662 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: No worries. The main reason why I asked is that the opposite direction exists: https://www.felixcloutier.com/x86/pmovmskb  And it's fairly easy to miss an instruction.
< 1788391393 107468 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname
> 1788391422 1350 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192262&oldid=192261 5* 03Miui 5* (+65) 10/* Archiving efforts */ archived the thought police
> 1788391427 59124 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192263&oldid=192222 5* 03Dhaugh 5* (+55) 10/* Introductions */
> 1788391467 3384 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192264&oldid=192263 5* 03Dhaugh 5* (+82) 10/* Introductions */
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> 1788391816 547281 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192265&oldid=192262 5* 03Miui 5* (+78) 10/* Archiving efforts */ archived pgmpietoncracklang!
> 1788392222 10960 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192266&oldid=192260 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1001) 10/* dude. */ link evidence of spamming
> 1788392486 27667 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192267&oldid=192266 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+102) 10msg + some formatting
> 1788392499 443328 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192268&oldid=192267 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+91) 10
< 1788392552 778334 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh another thing about their talk page
< 1788392561 881302 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we find the phrase "acciddentally making a few bad esolangs" interesting
< 1788392568 737443 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like how do you "accidentally" make an esolang
< 1788392576 631306 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless we're parsing that wrong
< 1788392626 747926 :inhahe!~inhahe@user/inhahe PRIVMSG #esolangs :accidentally bad, i assume
< 1788392694 685301 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: re: specifying paths for install conventions: see sections 16.4 and 16.5 here: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/doc/make-doc/make.html/Makefile-Conventions.html#DESTDIR
> 1788392697 274794 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192269&oldid=192268 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+346) 10
< 1788392833 971127 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :inhahe: ya ur probably right
< 1788392888 875129 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suspect it's hard to make good esolangs at a high rate
< 1788392948 567673 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1788392962 725946 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we've been working on ralsei for two years by this point
> 1788392964 554321 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192270&oldid=192269 5* 03Miui 5* (-3440) 10
< 1788392967 177707 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've only made one esolang so far this year, for example (which is mostly there as a partial research result – I'm interested in whether consistent-Collatz is TC on this integers, this language is TC consistent-Collatz but in a different ring)
< 1788392993 90271 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :miui back at it with just deleting the whole section and pretending thatll make the problem go away
< 1788393000 763155 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fading_Shout
< 1788393004 355928 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's in the page history
> 1788393019 214882 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:The best esolang ever14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192271&oldid=95435 5* 03Marcus 2n2 5* (+258) 10/* you are going to end esolangs */
< 1788393021 42673 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :part of the reason I gave the Special:Diff links is that many people don't realise that everything they do on a wiki is recorded
< 1788393039 13959 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so showing a history link can serve as a reminder of that
< 1788393320 461801 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Miui did stop the edit war one edit before the "automatic" (i.e. as soon as an admin notices) temporary block for edit warring, which happens after four edits that revert/undo someone else's edit: the original posting of the link doesn't count because it didn't undo anything)
> 1788393372 460459 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192272&oldid=192265 5* 03Miui 5* (+54) 10/* Archiving efforts */ archived ''''''
> 1788393435 211954 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kolakoski sequence14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192273&oldid=190496 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+214) 10[[-]] kolakoski sequence impl.
< 1788393574 889032 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm wait
< 1788393594 137814 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the language for the implementation of that sequence is actually really interesting