> 1788652948 203829 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gridify14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192894&oldid=192893 5* 03Cordership 5* (-25) 10
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< 1788653132 598077 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: what time is it
< 1788653132 792457 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :raiseafloppafan7: at the current file is created, variables do not reduce the size of programs which you've listed both quickly and easily to any memory configuration that is set when an end or identify ( eoi) set the cursor control not affected by " quote mode.
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< 1788653669 727988 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Let's see now.
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< 1788653729 997552 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: create an esolang
< 1788653754 694677 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hrm.
< 1788653856 952569 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I didn't actually bother testing the change, because it's such a hassle.)
< 1788653978 997334 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, it's because there's a 5-minute delay for the service that actually acts as a pipe to the LLM when it gets disconnected from the IRC bot (which happened when I restarted it).
< 1788654001 129471 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It should start working... well, 30 seconds ago, actually.
< 1788654036 357570 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah
< 1788654041 876935 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: create an esolang
> 1788654049 705291 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: Based on the provided information, creating an esolang involves defining a language with its own syntax and semantics. The examples of Treescript and demonstrate this, each with unique features like method definitions, layer structures, and tree-based execution. ⚶ utilizes a pointer and node system for computation, while Treescript draws...
> 1788654049 707141 PRIVMSG #esolangs :inspiration from JavaScript, Python, and Lua. No single, standardized method exists for creating an esolang; it's a bespoke process.
< 1788654055 16740 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there we go
< 1788654080 537155 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :⚶...?
< 1788654090 873108 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1788654133 520650 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It used the articles [[Treescript]], [[T]] and [[⚶]] as sources, after searching for the keyword "creation" using the MediaWiki search.
< 1788654243 866688 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: Propose a trivial brainfuck substitution with an octopus theme for the commands.
< 1788654407 534381 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Still thinking. I wonder if it's going to hit that 5-minute timeout even.)
> 1788654543 907259 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: [500 Internal Server Error] generating response: http: Post "http://localhost:11434/api/generate": context deadline exceeded [#65ac584d521af]
< 1788654554 761675 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bah. I was hoping it'd be _faster_ now that it's running slightly GPU-assisted, but apparently not.
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< 1788655124 218815 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that randomly generated esolangs from picking features won't do quite as well since the other way to make up the esolangs is to make up new ideas which do not match the existing ones (although the way of picking properties can have a different use of e.g. figuring out which subsets have specific other properties that come out from them rather than deliberately put in or selected)
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< 1788657100 703282 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: it'd be more like plagiarism: you go around looking at what all of the esolangs have and then "borrow" them as possible features the new randomly generated esolang can use
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> 1788658129 686835 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cats14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192895&oldid=169032 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+283) 10cat(egorization) and trivial bf substitution
> 1788658274 767194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Trivial brainfuck substitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192896&oldid=192889 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+138) 10/* Example Members of the TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution family */ Add [[Cats]]
> 1788658432 880349 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Invy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192897&oldid=113865 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+178) 10categorization
> 1788658668 244716 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cotwo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192898&oldid=160228 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+201) 10categorization
> 1788658889 541647 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MoreThanZero14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192899&oldid=181408 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+199) 10categorization
> 1788659002 712981 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072dLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192900&oldid=123293 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+49) 10categorize as cellular automaton
> 1788659025 923439 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072dLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192901&oldid=192900 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+68) 10unknown computational class and unimplemented
> 1788659400 649460 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Trivial brainfuck substitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192902&oldid=192896 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+271) 10/* Example Members of the TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution family */ Add [[InternationalFuck]]
> 1788659582 533952 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03CoderThomasB 5*  10New user account
> 1788659724 329379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rizzlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192903&oldid=178996 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-25) 10remove contradictory category
> 1788659785 965874 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192904&oldid=192868 5* 03CoderThomasB 5* (+159) 10
> 1788659799 784153 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hex214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192905&oldid=99537 5* 03CoderThomasB 5* (+9) 10M0 is related to Hex2
> 1788659864 887999 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07M014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192906&oldid=99540 5* 03CoderThomasB 5* (+11) 10
> 1788659892 248116 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Rizzlang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=192907 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+392) 10Created page with "rizzlang mogs all other esolangs so far but the question is who can mog rizzlang and is it even possible ~~~~"
< 1788659911 856963 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :shout out to the editors which join only to fix a particular issue
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> 1788660131 864741 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Trivial brainfuck substitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192908&oldid=192902 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+177) 10/* Example Members of the TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution family */ Add [[Gen Alpha Brainrot]]
> 1788660493 479696 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Assembliera14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192909&oldid=126265 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+437) 10some more categories + computational class
> 1788660695 390941 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ns2dL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192910&oldid=134578 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+86) 10year + unknown computational class + unimplemented
> 1788660883 684522 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07010C+3C+2dC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192911&oldid=108734 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+80) 10year + unimplemented
> 1788661010 942460 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dash-end14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192912&oldid=112286 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+88) 10more categorization
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> 1788661077 528514 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Recorder14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192913&oldid=181579 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+86) 10some more categorization
< 1788661145 87044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname
> 1788661454 556287 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zcurrry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192914&oldid=192739 5* 03FordsTheodore 5* (+0) 10woops
> 1788661498 317669 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dropsort14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192915&oldid=117507 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+329) 10add example implementation
> 1788661575 507810 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Alivehyperfish/examples14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192916&oldid=144454 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+23) 10categorize as example
> 1788661639 213789 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Print "deadfish"14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192917&oldid=157653 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+121) 10some more categorization
> 1788661752 195990 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gridify14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192918&oldid=192894 5* 03Cordership 5* (+62) 10/* Instructions */
> 1788661835 116678 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Trivial brainfuck substitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192919&oldid=192908 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+163) 10/* Example Members of the TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution family */ add [[Pep & Chz]]
> 1788661840 975085 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gridify14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192920&oldid=192918 5* 03Cordership 5* (+54) 10
> 1788661945 700896 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RaiseAfloppaFan's Stupid Idea 014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192921&oldid=191917 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-18) 10-2 categories that aren't needed anymore
> 1788662211 524918 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gridify14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192922&oldid=192920 5* 03Cordership 5* (+10) 10
> 1788662323 38308 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Function V14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192923&oldid=178835 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+214) 10categories and stuff
> 1788662510 55681 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gridify14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192924&oldid=192922 5* 03Cordership 5* (+38) 10
> 1788662600 258537 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Spider's Square14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192925&oldid=33155 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+181) 10categorization, very interesting language
> 1788662690 8564 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192926&oldid=184913 5* 03Cordership 5* (-29) 10/* 1D Factorial */
> 1788662713 501115 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Czure14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192927&oldid=115054 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+84) 10this isn't esoteric, it's just the C variant my C compiler uses instead of normal C for some reason
> 1788662820 22279 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192928&oldid=192926 5* 03Cordership 5* (+29) 10/* 1D Factorial */
> 1788663094 846561 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gridify14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192929&oldid=192924 5* 03Cordership 5* (+143) 10
> 1788663221 135867 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gridify14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192930&oldid=192929 5* 03Cordership 5* (-39) 10
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> 1788663705 900184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainbitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192931&oldid=188107 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+579) 10Formatting and categorization, why is it using Markdown? No offense but seems very AI-generated, remove the generated by AI category and explain if it's not
> 1788663965 857017 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07KaoLang ()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192932&oldid=183873 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+2) 10stuff
> 1788664045 775353 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07+=-, -=+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192933&oldid=162488 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+163) 10categorization
> 1788664317 488766 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainbitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192934&oldid=192931 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+26) 10minor formatting + see also
> 1788664328 589335 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainbitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192935&oldid=192934 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-25) 10wait a sec this isn't non-textual
> 1788664416 335048 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gridify14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192936&oldid=192930 5* 03Cordership 5* (+426) 10
> 1788664580 241629 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gridify14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192937&oldid=192936 5* 03Cordership 5* (+4) 10
< 1788664625 933592 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@2001:4450:493b:cb00:d993:e8a6:80e8:bcb0 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: can you write code in TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL?
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> 1788664764 151584 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OISC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192938&oldid=191125 5* 03None1 5* (+192) 10/* List of OISCs */  Add [[ChooseMatrix]]
> 1788664808 597014 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OISC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192939&oldid=192938 5* 03None1 5* (+0) 10/* List of OISCs */
> 1788665598 156676 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192940&oldid=192180 5* 03None1 5* (+469) 10/* Page deletion request */ new section
> 1788665786 514762 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:PlusOrMinus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192941&oldid=114912 5* 03None1 5* (+0) 10
< 1788666810 438051 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^style irc
< 1788666810 519238 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
< 1788666814 477139 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Acn wijirre emi heeronn, vgemqsine, rtaftto soearen hsaterne, noh?
< 1788666814 753201 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: no no no. how would you match " everything up to the person using the insult may surpass most here, it can
> 1788666920 126775 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A bliss-pit14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192942&oldid=192758 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-12) 10/* See also */
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> 1788670341 226211 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan774114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192943&oldid=192883 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+347) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/192883|192883]] by [[Special:Contributions/Raiseafloppafan7741|Raiseafloppafan7741]] ([[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741|talk]])
> 1788670372 869030 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan774114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192944&oldid=192943 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-1) 10why is there a space
> 1788673312 397300 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pointing14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192945&oldid=191132 5* 03Calculus is fun 5* (+1) 10/* Statements */
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> 1788674098 789171 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Reagan141014]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=192947 5* 03Reagan1410 5* (+8) 10Created page with "Hello :)"
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> 1788677575 433357 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Piece of cake14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192949&oldid=179099 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+57) 10The correct term
> 1788677727 209946 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Hakerh400 5*  10moved [[02User:Hakerh400/Angel problem10]] to [[User:Hakerh400/Formalization/Angel problem]]
> 1788677773 378636 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192952&oldid=192364 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+14) 10
> 1788677956 110269 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hakerh400/Esolangs14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=192953 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2000) 10Add the list of esolangs
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> 1788678424 831309 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hakerh400/Misc14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=192956 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2042) 10Add the miscellaneous subpage
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< 1788681534 445147 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :goodnight
> 1788681773 167926 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192958&oldid=192344 5* 03Dragoneater67mobile 5* (+1) 10/* Comments */ excitement
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< 1788683965 722293 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Epic happy Sunday 2 u all!       😎
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> 1788685721 64835 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Malt14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=192977 5* 03FordsTheodore 5* (+856) 10Created page with "{{WIP}} Malt is a [[Deadfish]] derivative.  {| class="wikitable" |+ Caption text |- ! symbol !! name !! operation |- | a || input || input |- | A || shout || output |- | b || goto || jump unconditionally and set PC to instances-1 |- | B || point || move cell pointer l
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> 1788689982 812409 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Jan jelo/TC proof to Rust type system(and macro rules)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=192991&oldid=192851 5* 03Jan jelo 5* (+51) 10/* macro_rules! */
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< 1788690776 116066 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :MPCitH is when you read a book
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> 1788699913 777531 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Seedd14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=193004 5* 03Fanmad 5* (+938) 10Created page with "seedd is an esolang which code completly depends on a seed, originally supposed to be called "seed" but there was already a esolang called like that.  ==instructions== '''''xxxxxxxxxxx''''' - the seed (needs to be always on the top of the code, replace the x'es with actual 
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< 1788705759 242590 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :de7: pretty reliably, these days most cats have an implanted chip that you can access with near field radio
< 1788708263 160396 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not entirely sure that's true for most of the world's cats, though it's probably true for most cats in certain countries.
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< 1788718644 262453 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :good morning
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> 1788721531 958369 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Category:Aubergine derivatives10]]": undiscussed category, probably too small to be a category and is better implemented as a "see also" list on the Aubergine page
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< 1788727250 796121 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :😴
< 1788727337 56299 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1788727403 294192 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I don't believe there have been any bots running on esolangs.org (not counting scripts and the like that access the database directly rather than going through MediaWiki's normal editing interfaces); I'm the most likely person to have run one, but I checked and I didn't
< 1788727522 993894 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw, there's a clear reason why the OpenAI agents haven't edited esolangs.org – they were restricted to making GET requests only, and creating an account here requires POST
< 1788727565 974874 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although they eventually found a workaround to this, it was long after they'd already found a wiki they could use to coordinate, so there was no reason to change)
< 1788727635 825534 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did end up having thoughts on how to build a CAPTCHA to beat LLMs: the idea is to make it interactive and require responses to be given quickly (because LLMs are still extremely slow)
< 1788727724 823824 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :humans are slightly better at doing mass category renames and the like than bots are (in terms of producing higher-quality output) as, in my experience, there's normally a small fraction of pages where you want to make a change other than hte obvious one
< 1788727726 882832 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bots are faster, thuogh
< 1788727809 594171 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:CakeProphet
< 1788727825 284809 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(re: <fizzie> For context, Cakeprohpet was someone's nickname. <fizzie> Can't remember which channel, though. Might even have been here.)
< 1788727912 834417 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Dupdog (one of CakeProphey's languages) caused quite a bit of discussion when it was first released (on the basis that it looks like it can't possibly be TC, but this is hard to prove)
< 1788727971 19228 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Requiring a quickly response might cause problems with slow connections, though.
< 1788728055 197271 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if it's only renaming that is being done (e.g the casing/hyphenation of the categories) bot editing would work better. assisted editing could work as a middle-ground, something like the HotCat gadget
< 1788728252 914300 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<de67> raiseafloppafan7: Accumulator-based seems to be an undiscussed category ← the category should be called "counter-based" really, I've been meaning to do that officially
> 1788728271 486105 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quine-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193024&oldid=193012 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+190) 10/* Implementations */ *NIX systems have an interpreter for this
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< 1788728311 958921 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I thought about that, but I think most people have faster connections than a) the scraperbots (because they proxy everything and don't typically run JS on the proxy), and b) the speed at which the typical LLM solves a captcha
< 1788728331 359476 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's likely that there would be some false positives and some false negatives
< 1788728495 379349 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, is that what accumulator-based means? I thought it means something that has very few registers and stores most other things in memory, like the 6502
< 1788728507 858051 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or the ID machine or RAM0
< 1788728526 79632 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Gemini Flash certainly solved our _current_ CAPTCHA faster than a human would. But I guess it's not really designed to differentiate.
< 1788728534 143460 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or BMOW-1
< 1788728568 607429 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs : [[Countable]] would be an example of an accumulator-based language with many (infinite) accumulators, I believe
< 1788728574 776755 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or counter-based
< 1788728779 237514 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the category is badly named, which is part of why I want to rename it
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< 1788728851 221425 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I think I would limit it to languages where the number of counters is fixed by the program, as that's really what makes it different from a RAM or a tape
< 1788728866 37473 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(fixed by the program or by the language)
> 1788728906 794970 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quine (programming language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193025&oldid=125251 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+279) 10see also + single unix specification cat
< 1788728995 132190 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: so blindfolded arithmetic would count, or even the ioccc babbage variant of it where the program can choose any number of accumulators?
< 1788729005 731456 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I think so
< 1788729020 78156 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this sort of thing is why we're supposed to discuss categories before creating them, though
< 1788729041 965620 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one decision is, does it matter if you can do things with the counters that are more complicated than increment/decrement?
< 1788729055 417528 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what about sub-TC languages (in particular, does Deadfish count?)
< 1788729124 5203 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :brainfuck on a limited size tape with bigints too then
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> 1788729152 232522 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quine-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193026&oldid=193024 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+254) 10/* Implementations */ SUS mandates cat + DOS/Windows type + PowerShell Get-Content
< 1788729174 480588 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I consider that counter-based, yes
> 1788729182 720439 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quine (programming language)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193027&oldid=193025 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+209) 10/* Implementation */ amend my previous statement
< 1788729197 40611 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bounded-tapebignum BF is really quite different from the bounded-cell long-tape version
< 1788729208 208178 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/eb/e b/
> 1788729225 794615 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quine-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193028&oldid=193026 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+35) 10/* See Also */ [[Quine (programming language)]]
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> 1788729269 191392 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quine-Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193029&oldid=193028 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+5) 10/* Implementations */ uhh friendly reminder to check what you pasted before saving the edit
> 1788729290 687390 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quine (programming language)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193030&oldid=193027 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-5) 10/* Implementation */ same thing as last edit
< 1788729293 881981 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how many cells would at minimum be necessary for bounded-tape bf?
> 1788729327 403917 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quine-Lang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193031&oldid=193029 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+5) 10/* Implementations */ not again...
> 1788729411 324682 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quine (programming language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193032&oldid=193030 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+59) 10/* Implementation */ echo is also an implementation
> 1788729505 648395 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Quine-Lang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193033&oldid=193031 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+59) 10/* Implementations */ echo
< 1788729508 724384 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: 3
< 1788729540 780442 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure whether it's been proven or not that 2 is impossible, but 3 is known to be possible and 2 is unlikely due to control flow restrictions
< 1788729552 400528 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :makes sense
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> 1788729662 101801 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Text14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193034&oldid=188532 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+51) 10/* Compilers */ specify where type can be found
< 1788729692 210739 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: does 3 require that the cells can store negative integers?
< 1788729707 580595 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I don't think so
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< 1788729801 831452 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've either never looked at or don't remember the construction, but if I were trying it myself, I'd do something like implementing a multiply/divide 1-counter machine where the value of the counter was stored by multiplying it by k and transferring it between two tape cells, the IP/state is stored in the single counter mod k, and the third cell is always zero and used to break loops
> 1788729886 346014 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Aubergine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193035&oldid=193020 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-22) 10fix redlink to deleted category
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< 1788730032 648104 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, looks like the known construction is from FRACTRAN: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Collatz_function#Reduction_to_3-cell_brainfuck
< 1788730053 809678 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is pretty similar to my construction, except that the IP/state is implicit
< 1788730148 418225 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that reduction using a form of AME? or I guess Fractran itself?
< 1788730184 437001 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.150 PRIVMSG #esolangs :speaking of Fractran, the page for it lacks a TC proof
< 1788730579 543114 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Waterfall Model compiles into Fractran super-trivially, so the only difficulty there would be checking that the sequence of reductions isn't circular
< 1788730657 991371 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :interestingly, this reduction shows that (if there isn't a mistake in the reduction via Spiral Rise) Fractran's TC with only seven fractions
< 1788730950 979723 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that's a good idea, you should probably mention it on the Waterfall Model page or the Fractran page
< 1788731207 467362 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, actually it isn't trivial, the compilation leads to fractions which aren't in their lowest terms
< 1788731211 262344 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is technically not allowed in Fractran
< 1788731215 55670 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is a subtlety I hadn't noticed before
< 1788731240 331436 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(a good thing I tried to write it down, or I wouldn't have noticed the mistake)
< 1788731297 721044 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, I think the easier way to prove Fractran TC is that you can compile any Minsky-machine into it. you represent the states by a prime, which you'll only use with factor one and only one at a time in the accumulator. rules encode a state transition that divides a state and multiplies another, plus they can increment any counter, or they can decrement a counter in a way that fails for zero and falls 
< 1788731303 724506 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :through to later rules from the same state
> 1788731345 533997 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kangaroo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193036&oldid=100201 5* 03Ais523 5* (+122) 10mention The Waterfall Model more prominently in the introduction, as TWM is an obvious change from Kangaroo
> 1788731409 439900 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fractran14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193037&oldid=180304 5* 03B jonas 5* (+21) 10/* See also */ [[Minsky machine]]
< 1788731494 52450 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: oh yes, that is pretty easy (although it uses a lot more fractions)
> 1788731820 882740 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The Waterfall Model14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193038&oldid=169710 5* 03Ais523 5* (+39) 10rewrite the first paragraph a little, making the background and relationship to other languages clearer
> 1788733613 219742 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fractran14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193039&oldid=193037 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-19) 10Unnecessary redirect
< 1788733742 233141 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: not really. if you merge adjacent increment instructions to one, and adjacent decrement instructions that you know are either infallible or you'll increment the whole sequence if they fail (happens for division) then Minsky machine is generally more efficient than Waterfall.
< 1788734194 825053 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, my benchmark for Waterfall efficiency is the Spiral Rise interpreter
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< 1788735071 383644 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: if you're fine with incrementing or decrementing multiple counters by any values together then Waterfall Model compiles into Minsky machine, so with the optimizations that are obvious when you compile Minsky into Fractran I don't think it'll be much worse.
< 1788735089 258338 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you'll be using more primes and larger numbers in Fractran, that much is true
< 1788735154 282302 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: you can get away with 2+C primes for C counters; all you need for the state is an antichain in the divisibility order, so p^i q^(n-i) will do the trick
< 1788735161 746221 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm
< 1788735164 586286 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
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< 1788735302 540736 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :4+C will work though, based on this idea, if your states form a bipartite graph which can always be arranged.
< 1788735436 175915 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: oh, you can certainly reduce the number of primes
< 1788735482 683409 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh 2+C works too, since the fractions are ordered.
< 1788735498 800571 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIRC the fractions have to be ordered to at least some extent
< 1788735517 94600 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :otherwise it isn't TC
< 1788735521 192137 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :really
< 1788735576 288895 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan showed me the proof, I'm trying to remember how it worked
< 1788735596 860310 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess coming from Minsky machines you need it when translating a test-for-zero.
< 1788735604 663043 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right
< 1788735626 969299 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the proof is sort-of inductive I think, something like proving that if it isn't TC with n primes it isn't TC with n+1 primes either
< 1788735666 776255 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you'll solve the halting problem I presume
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< 1788735848 567806 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the problem is that if the recipes aren't ordered then you can't do conditionals properly
< 1788735856 290520 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah it's not even hard; the point is that if you ever have a non-empty sequence of steps from n to n' with n | n' then the program doesn't terminate (in the sense that there's an infinite run).
< 1788735895 282404 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :like if you try zero test on a prime factor, and it's not an infallible test, a machine that chooses recipes in an adversary way can just always make the test fail as if the counter was always zero
< 1788735913 30339 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this isn't a complete proof because Fractran can test multiple counters at the same time
< 1788735940 931231 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: oh right, that was it, yes
< 1788735967 165416 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if all the primes have higher factors than in some previous state of the program, you have a potential infinite loop
< 1788736000 618172 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if that condition is never met I think the program has to terminate eventually, for reasons similar to there not being an infinite decreasing sequence of ordinals
< 1788736069 44307 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah. that's the part that you can prove by induction on the number of prime factors.
< 1788736095 852140 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you can compile from nopfunge to Fractran with very few primes, but in an inefficient way where all the spaces in the nopfunge code rectangle may need to be encoded to fractran fractions
< 1788736124 180913 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but this has the same problem as compiling from TWM, which is that it wants to use non-reduced fractions
< 1788736144 299914 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do any of the nopfunge derivatives help? Keymaker and I created quite a lot of them recently
< 1788736230 131553 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :An assumed infinite sequence of states will have a subsequence in which the power of the latest added prime factor's powers are non-decreasing. And by induction you can extend this to a subsequence in which all the prime powers are non-decreasing.
< 1788736279 348789 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, you can use two primes to represent a "must be exactly this value" test in Fractran by ensuring that their exponents always add to a constant
< 1788736368 858634 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this might give a four-prime TC proof for Fractran? use an FSM+two counters, use two primes for the two counters and two primes for the state
< 1788736371 341429 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: right. the trouble is that a direct transition from p^a*q^b to p^c*q^d would use the fraction p^(c-a)q^(d-b) and that cancellation destroys the test
< 1788736397 732153 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yes, the same problem with compiling from TWM
< 1788736400 927172 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: which is why I ended up at 4, you can do two distinct pairs of primes
< 1788736412 581327 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and just swap between them every cycle
< 1788736457 817467 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think what you can do is to break every transition to two transitions with an intermediate state, and just three primes should be enough to encode all the states, no matter how many
< 1788736461 809350 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :however, since Fractran fractions are ordered, we don't actually need two primes for the state, we only need one if we order the transitions correctly (with some caveats around states with incomplete transitions)
< 1788736496 547691 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: no, one prime isn't enough, you still have the same problem with changing the state as with changing counters
< 1788736499 573316 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So rather than two pairs of primes we should only need two primes after all.
< 1788736512 632439 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like "Uncancelled Fractran" is a language variant worth documenting (i.e. implemented as "if you can do so within the integers, divide by the denominator and multiply by the numerator" but not requiring the fraction to be in lowest terms)
< 1788736538 666927 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I'm reducing from 4 to 2.
< 1788736554 795163 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and this excludes primes for the counters)
< 1788736566 332187 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: isn't that equivalent to something that's already documented, but without the prime factors hat? like My unreliable past without the unreliable past?
< 1788736581 881503 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, it may be worth documenting
< 1788736617 380813 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: right, that may be equivalent
< 1788736637 615118 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or The Waterfall Machine without the waterfall…
< 1788736640 231886 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or subtractpocalypse with control flow reversed
< 1788736650 133847 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/Machine/Model/
< 1788736676 336562 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, if there are so many different "but with" that remind us of it then it's definitely worth to document
< 1788736690 371110 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, TWM triggers on 0, it's hard to get 0s there without the steady decrement
< 1788736712 420927 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the variant where you just leave the 0 there until the next 0 comes into range is Delta Relay but that's reversible
< 1788736919 561873 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Piece_of_cake
> 1788736981 133549 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fractran14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193040&oldid=193039 5* 03Ais523 5* (+20) 10/* See also */ I was planning to document the uncancelled version of Fractran but it seems like someone's already designed and named it, so add [[Piece of cake]] to the See also
> 1788736982 613400 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193041&oldid=191422 5* 03B jonas 5* (+218) 10/* Todo */ Fractran with not necessarily reduced multipliers
< 1788737027 40534 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah
> 1788737065 462081 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193042&oldid=193041 5* 03B jonas 5* (+18) 10/* Todo */
> 1788737173 378010 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193043&oldid=193042 5* 03B jonas 5* (+180) 10/* Todo */ might as well throw dofuck into the pile, since that is a language that multiple people have reinvented
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