< 1788998445 942514 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :raiseafloppafan7: we've deleted screenshots of Scratch before < 1788998451 422390 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can write the programs in text form < 1788998478 762424 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: in that case let me do some cleanup < 1788998492 380301 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that said, Scratch blocks are less copyrightable than Minecraft blocks because they're more functional and less artistic, they may still be copyrightable though) < 1788998514 511853 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the law is weird, the boundary starts off subjective and only gets figured out if a court actually decides < 1788998580 461583 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so should we keep the block images or replace them? < 1788998668 495254 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :text is better (easier to copy around and less of a potential copyright problem) < 1788998703 350431 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the text-format Scratch I've seen, the green flag is written as gf, everything else is normally obvious > 1788998750 120189 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rube Goldberg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193502&oldid=191304 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-34) 10/* Scratch */ remove potentially non-public domain material and use pre class="rectwrap" > 1788998817 215125 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Permission denied14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193503&oldid=191176 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-80) 10/* Scratch */ remove potentially non-public domain material and use pre class="rectwrap" < 1788998829 112946 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 270 seconds > 1788998858 474187 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07One Time Cat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193504&oldid=189832 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-20) 10/* Scratch */ remove potentially non-public domain material and use pre class="rectwrap" > 1788998873 251712 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02File:Scratch Rube Goldberg interpreter.png10]]": probably copyright violation (includes a copy of Scratch assets, and especially the "when green flag clicked" one is likely copyrightable) > 1788998889 391569 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07One Time Cat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193505&oldid=193504 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+27) 10/* Unary */ use pre class="rectwrap" instead of manual wrapping, it makes sense here anyway > 1788998900 355941 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02File:Scratch permission denied.png10]]": probably copyright violation (includes a copy of Scratch assets, and especially the "when green flag clicked" one is likely copyrightable) < 1788998919 77808 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1788998927 167950 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Print("Hello, World!")14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193506&oldid=188445 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-99) 10/* Scratch */ remove potentially non-public domain material and use pre class="rectwrap" > 1788998938 34259 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02File:Scratch One Time Cat.png10]]": probably copyright violation (includes a copy of Scratch assets, and especially the "when green flag clicked" one is likely copyrightable) < 1788998960 545022 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't realise how fancy the green flag block had got at this point, that's almost certainly copyrightable < 1788998979 111721 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the cat block? > 1788998991 495143 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02File:Scratch print hello world program.png10]]": probably copyright violation (includes a copy of Scratch assets, and especially the "when green flag clicked" one is likely copyrightable) < 1788999001 422720 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, there's a cat on it for no reason < 1788999017 534434 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's an april fools thing < 1788999021 285123 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sort of thing increases the copyrightability of things < 1788999022 814240 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :slash skin, but it was april fools iirc < 1788999033 356537 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah I just use scratch addons and enabled cat block < 1788999217 563376 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened < 1788999321 322144 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1788999601 93256 :tromp!~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:9cbe:bb88:280c:aaf7 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1789000105 904561 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07IfSetThenSet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193507&oldid=144184 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+2716) 10/* Interpreters */ use text form instead of image, which would cause a copyright violation > 1789000117 753365 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/Sandbox/HSBlock14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193508&oldid=193327 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+33) 10 > 1789000240 35799 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fun Video Game14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193509&oldid=189850 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+301) 10remove Scratch blocks screenshot, whether we can use it in the public domain or not is unknown < 1789000439 61385 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( > 1789000804 297075 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/Sandbox/HSBlock/Color14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193510&oldid=193320 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+70) 10 > 1789000877 808325 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/Sandbox/HSBlock/Color14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193511&oldid=193510 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+8) 10 > 1789001016 168716 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/Sandbox/HSBlock/Color14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193512&oldid=193511 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+15) 10 > 1789001028 563012 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/Sandbox/HSBlock/Color14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193513&oldid=193512 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+1) 10 > 1789001039 788435 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/Sandbox/HSBlock/Color14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193514&oldid=193513 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+1) 10 > 1789001159 270003 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Alan's dead fish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193515&oldid=149152 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+3935) 10/* Interpreters */ add text form in case we have to remove the image for potential copyright violation; there's also a mistake in the interpreter > 1789001195 280773 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/Sandbox/HSBlock/Color14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193516&oldid=193514 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+9) 10 > 1789001225 58109 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193517&oldid=193501 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+333) 10 > 1789001270 136646 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies)/block14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193518&oldid=193331 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+29) 10 > 1789001284 477231 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies)/colors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193519&oldid=193338 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+96) 10 > 1789001316 845194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies)/block14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193520&oldid=193518 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+4) 10 > 1789001346 425712 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193521&oldid=193481 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+5) 10 > 1789001515 311475 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies)/colors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193522&oldid=193519 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+23) 10 > 1789001573 677086 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193523&oldid=193521 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+90) 10 > 1789001629 412436 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minecraft redstone14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193524&oldid=192645 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-35) 10 > 1789001786 480722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minecraft redstone14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193525&oldid=193524 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-457) 10in context these aren't helpful exampls < 1789001793 216879 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :examples* < 1789001852 263446 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :scratch deserves justice > 1789001863 768569 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ICBWasHere 5* 10New user account > 1789002184 737630 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scratch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193526&oldid=193082 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+1889) 10add some example programs, might add block listing later > 1789002279 253803 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scratch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193527&oldid=193526 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+2313) 10/* Examples */ Add links to image forms > 1789002739 6940 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193528&oldid=193523 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+7) 10redo coloring > 1789002769 986371 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A+B Problem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193529&oldid=193380 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+2) 10/* Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies) */ update coloring > 1789002790 260541 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FizzBuzz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193530&oldid=193482 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+9) 10/* Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies) */ update coloring > 1789002811 699196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kolakoski sequence14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193531&oldid=193383 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-2) 10/* Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies) */ update coloring > 1789003351 348988 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minecraft redstone14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193532&oldid=193525 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+323) 10this section is still needed > 1789003365 277170 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minecraft redstone14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193533&oldid=193532 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-12) 10 > 1789004526 211627 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193534&oldid=192329 5* 03Miui 5* (-2) 10more clearly reflects "set ordinate to 2" < 1789004583 175368 :X-Scale!~ARM@31.22.160.76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1789004797 849913 :X-Scale!~ARM@31.22.200.200 JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :ARM - Advanced RISC Machines > 1789005045 990959 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scratch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193535&oldid=193527 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+3857) 10list Motion category blocks, the dropdowns really complicate this. > 1789005940 950818 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rasputin14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193536&oldid=193494 5* 03A random guy 5* (+98) 10 > 1789006090 426265 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Drafts/Turnkey14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193537&oldid=193272 5* 03Miui 5* (+27121) 10turnkey development < 1789006312 112171 :amby!~ambylastn@46.162.147.147.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1789006324 560629 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scratch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193538&oldid=193535 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+3627) 10/* Blocks */ Add the Looks category, I'll fix the stupid Motion category to be more in line with Looks later > 1789006596 706719 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Scratch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193539&oldid=164998 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+137) 10 > 1789006612 504363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Scratch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193540&oldid=193539 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+230) 10WHY DO I KEEP ON FORGETTING TO SIGN > 1789006706 493436 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Scratch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193541&oldid=193540 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+364) 10/* Template */ < 1789006751 995088 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm thinking how much of Scratch's design I can port over? < 1789006906 579757 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :pings raiseafloppafan7 > 1789006948 505244 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scratch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193542&oldid=193538 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-362) 10/* Motion */ Fix what I did to this category and explain the rotation styles < 1789006953 12804 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello < 1789006968 144963 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello aadenboy < 1789006971 670540 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's with the ping? < 1789006975 634965 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> I'm thinking how much of Scratch's design I can port over? < 1789006976 669420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:23: error: parse error on input `of' < 1789006981 458959 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :figured you might have an idea on a good middleground < 1789007001 617787 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can think of obviously keeping the LEGO-style blocks since that's logical < 1789007015 962164 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But for everything else you'll have to get creative < 1789007040 478084 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe a generic rectangular/blocky design could distance us from their designs? < 1789007059 835029 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1789007099 114689 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :technically we don't need the notches? datatypes being distinguished by shape would have to be preserved though < 1789007129 8487 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, like (reporter) and < 1789007171 132940 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :We don't need the notches since I think it's obvious that two blocks are connected if they are glued together, kinda like 2 * x and 2x < 1789007193 514463 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh scratch has the same coercion like hopscotch lol < 1789007201 475950 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wdym < 1789007207 329636 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Type coercion? < 1789007215 540127 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean it coerces datatypes to work < 1789007218 494641 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not literal exact > 1789007220 888876 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Drafts/Turnkey14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193543&oldid=193537 5* 03Miui 5* (+58) 10 < 1789007225 235044 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, it is javascript for both under the hood < 1789007238 956617 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Funny thing is that some of the dropdowns in scratch can be abused to do some cursed stuff < 1789007268 54881 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :without actual css sheets the dropdowns would need to be implied < 1789007271 665600 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like you can put a color reporter (idk what that is) in a `switch costume to (costume v)` block < 1789007318 364202 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Only idea I have for dropdowns is having a down arrow image and smashing that to the end of a dropdown < 1789007333 454081 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it isn't necessary < 1789007353 923224 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it makes sense since anyone who's able to read Scratch code can tell that those are dropdowns < 1789007368 468964 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And if they're expressions or something the visual difference is clear < 1789007419 554712 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :css superellipse will make the datatypes easy to make :) < 1789007466 79349 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmao? turn blocks have an arrow? < 1789007484 593910 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah they do lol < 1789007510 523335 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Fortunately there's already clockwise and counterclockwise arrows in Unicode < 1789007520 334525 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :eh. I will use the literal words < 1789007552 455366 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :would it make sense to make the events containers like if/repeat? just to show scope? probably not < 1789007584 864746 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wdym "containers" < 1789007601 554566 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like "when green flag pressed" would wrap around its content < 1789007608 649090 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :alike what if statements do < 1789007609 908353 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like the C-blocks that wrap around their contents or like the Hopscotch template blocks? < 1789007617 625842 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So like the C blocks that Scratch has? < 1789007619 954181 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1789007657 514083 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :relatedly, should each object (is that what they're called?) be notated as well? < 1789007708 97401 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You mean sprite? < 1789007721 479189 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah > 1789007812 464398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scratch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193544&oldid=193542 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+712) 10/* Looks */ Explain the visual effects. > 1789007904 139173 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gridify14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193545&oldid=193433 5* 03Cordership 5* (+155) 10/* Instructions */ > 1789008100 930477 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies)/colors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193546&oldid=193522 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+17) 10 > 1789008138 886811 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Drafts/Turnkey14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193547&oldid=193543 5* 03Miui 5* (+253) 10 > 1789008428 289922 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193548&oldid=193528 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-4) 10fix coloring for deeply nested math > 1789008449 492731 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A+B Problem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193549&oldid=193529 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-2) 10/* Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies) */ > 1789008500 813904 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kolakoski sequence14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193550&oldid=193531 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+0) 10/* Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies) */ > 1789008569 774116 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scratch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193551&oldid=193544 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+2945) 10/* Blocks */ Add Sounds and Events. Glory to Scratch! > 1789008585 251386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ROBOT IS CHILL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193552&oldid=139221 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-6845) 10It might be a good idea to merge some of the content of this page into [[Macrosia]], but I haven't actually used it much myself, so I don't know if any of this is outdated or something > 1789008736 99894 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Macrosia14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=193553 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+257) 10Created page with "There was an older page at [[ROBOT IS CHILL]]. I've changed that to redirect here instead, but it might be a good idea to merge some of the content in that page into this one. ~~~~" < 1789008975 96728 :X-Scale!~ARM@31.22.200.200 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1789009200 463702 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Miui 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Gohonzon.png10]]" > 1789009231 18399 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies)/block14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193555&oldid=193520 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+197) 10 > 1789009269 237840 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Drafts/Turnkey14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193556&oldid=193547 5* 03Miui 5* (+588) 10add output description < 1789009465 884857 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: Oh yeah and if you haven't run into these already then there's also color inputs < 1789009473 476568 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aware < 1789009480 823082 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hopscotch also has them but I was procrastinating lol > 1789009780 951888 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Macrosia14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193557&oldid=193500 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+164) 10Categorize < 1789009833 80998 :Guest26!~Guest26@2400:9800:820:bfbf:78be:bff:fe44:27ce JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest26 < 1789010136 261236 :Guest26!~Guest26@2400:9800:820:bfbf:78be:bff:fe44:27ce QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1789010692 141932 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] MarkFan8901 < 1789010797 72950 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if the scratch blocks are copyrighted, would that also make the code blocks at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Hopscotch_(Hopscotch_Technologies) copyrighted? < 1789010838 679548 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we checked and they're VERY accurate, assumingly enough to be an issue if the scratch ones were < 1789010843 907808 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: Yes, however those might count as derivative works < 1789010856 381834 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Whether those derivative works would be PD depends < 1789010862 138818 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*eligible for PD < 1789010864 111311 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could say the same thing about the scratch blocks < 1789010899 607995 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus theres still the concern for screen readability, even without any copyright issues > 1789010911 574440 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scratch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193558&oldid=193551 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+5719) 10/* Blocks */ Add Control and Sensing < 1789010914 334097 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also just browsers which dont have good support for that < 1789010921 31527 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like lynx or dillo > 1789010938 436426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scratch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193559&oldid=193558 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+34) 10Add references section > 1789010991 543374 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scratch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193560&oldid=193559 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+115) 10/* Sensing */ Forgot some < 1789011054 30391 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: The planned scratch block replica templates? < 1789011136 503278 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea < 1789011144 632492 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz of all the underlying css < 1789011176 901033 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could solve both that and copyright at the same time with just keeping it plaintext < 1789011232 243391 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then we could link to images offsite for those who really want them, which is already being done for some of the Scratch programs < 1789011260 33982 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1789011262 536899 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds suspicious < 1789011267 930281 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wdym < 1789011271 767987 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh wait < 1789011290 744461 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1789011300 650759 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like we're uneasy with the idea of leading people off site for extra content by itself < 1789011314 798481 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah that's a good point > 1789011316 263141 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Drafts/Turnkey14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193561&oldid=193556 5* 03Miui 5* (-45) 10/* Interpreter */ < 1789011326 982599 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea it sounds like it breaks the rules < 1789011336 23598 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure if it actually does but < 1789011338 110583 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually we should check < 1789011525 673874 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its not < 1789011529 817624 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess a middle ground could be drawing the blocks in a style sufficiently different enough to not cause copyright infringment < 1789011533 847105 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yea it still feels weird < 1789011544 954572 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that was suggseted for Geometry Dash and Minecraft < 1789011553 666282 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :raiseafloppafan7: that would still mess with browsers which cant render those things properly < 1789011586 369290 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean with images < 1789011591 51680 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1789011613 322733 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait a sec < 1789011616 250377 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like crudely drawing a redstone circuit < 1789011627 595876 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But not too similar to the original < 1789011635 656971 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if its via image, but its not an image of the real thing, whats the point of having it be an image in the first place < 1789011638 373353 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :why not make it ascii art < 1789011640 732169 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But similar enough that you can tell what is happening < 1789011657 722073 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Idk, maybe for clarity since images are nice and can have color without needing 5000 span tags < 1789011665 312572 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*not clarity < 1789011667 775195 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk what I meant by that < 1789011706 46575 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh also > 1789011713 217578 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hopscotch (Hopscotch Technologies)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193562&oldid=193548 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+21808) 10use blocks in tables. ohghhdfs that took forever < 1789011715 53785 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what about browsers that cant render images (like the aformentioned lynx) < 1789011724 795808 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh < 1789011732 561249 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :youd still need a plaintext version for them anyways < 1789011733 394480 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: alt texts < 1789011745 21661 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: what would you put in them > 1789011746 831921 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Drafts/Turnkey14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193563&oldid=193561 5* 03Miui 5* (+89) 10/* kakjiku */ update nomenclature < 1789011773 220170 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure < 1789011777 130806 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe put a link to the file namespace < 1789011780 555394 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nvm < 1789011783 974305 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no > 1789011784 758702 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rasputin14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193564&oldid=193536 5* 03A random guy 5* (+135) 10Messed up a song lyric < 1789011787 38174 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you'd still have to download the file < 1789011789 659464 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :alt texts need to be descriptive > 1789011792 504415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Drafts/Turnkey14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193565&oldid=193563 5* 03Miui 5* (+1) 10/* Interpreter */ correct punctuation < 1789011814 188111 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: they would need to have some plaintext version of the program either way < 1789011826 354699 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: do the browsers you mentioned insert aria-label in place of certain elements? < 1789011829 481506 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or alt text? < 1789011832 713013 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1789011835 955047 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that can be used < 1789011841 426889 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :dillo doesnt cuz its graphical, but lynx does < 1789011857 194995 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :visual would see repeaters and such while textually it would be the names of each < 1789011884 395044 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :[Empty block][Empty block][Empty block][Down-right redstone][Left-right redstone][Right-facing repeater]... < 1789011898 782728 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :either way you would still need to get across the point of the program in alt text clearly enough to not need the image though < 1789011922 705650 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and at that point you wouldnt actually need the image < 1789011935 75284 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[Smolder]] would be a good example of this I think < 1789011936 732706 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :again its just more complexity < 1789011975 802266 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: [[Smolder]] also uses css which dillo/lynx/etc cant render properly < 1789011981 817437 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :flexbox div < 1789011993 389917 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :good point < 1789012016 235015 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the cells themselves are just text < 1789012041 681228 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ya but their formatting needs full css support to make any sense < 1789012051 701770 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :without it its just a bunch of text < 1789012054 425992 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is worse < 1789012100 860730 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think we would draw the line with css usage at color and other in-line text formatting < 1789012112 891796 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :stuff like that would be okay, things more complicated than that like flexboxes wouldnt be > 1789012151 63653 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Smolder/build14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193566&oldid=173394 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+157) 10aria-label < 1789012161 549669 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :since it wouldnt break the code to the point of unreadability > 1789012196 656543 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scratch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193567&oldid=193560 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+2148) 10/* Blocks */ Add Operators (WHY IS IT LOADING SO SLOWLY) > 1789012208 268482 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Smolder/build14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193568&oldid=193566 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+2) 10 < 1789012210 324047 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The loading times are insane < 1789012210 802966 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps if you had an esolang where the colors of the text mattered (like in colorforth) it would technically be an issue, but you could still read it < 1789012218 241373 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the page would still work normally < 1789012221 582349 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is what we're worried about > 1789012250 955756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Smolder/build14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193569&oldid=193568 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (-4) 10 < 1789012268 472076 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :raiseafloppafan7: it's the tags I think < 1789012271 326682 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Scratch will not be a stub anymore yay < 1789012287 675394 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: There's no math tags in Scratch tho < 1789012289 632674 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the page) > 1789012293 252745 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Smolder/build14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193570&oldid=193569 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+0) 10 < 1789012306 480026 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess my internet is acting up < 1789012312 115096 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :As it does this time of year < 1789012328 439802 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I thought you meant [[Smolder]] < 1789012345 812446 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Smolder also loaded pretty slowly but Scratch was slower < 1789012363 89220 :raiseafloppafan7!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even Minim (270 KB) isn't that big of a problem so this is definitely just my internet > 1789012426 964423 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Smolder14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=193571&oldid=177468 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+1204) 10aria-label for rows; role=caption for last examples < 1789012454 599811 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, those should be