> 1791072765 523394 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197103&oldid=197102 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-1) 10
> 1791072817 904009 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197104&oldid=197103 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-15) 10
> 1791072919 280497 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197105&oldid=197104 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-1) 10
< 1791073203 308593 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`olist 1350
< 1791073208 552891 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist <https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1350.html>: shachaf oerjan Sgeo boily nortti b_jonas Noisytoot
> 1791073221 852763 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=197106 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+3301) 10Created page with "fuller rewrite of [[Bitch, Ienai!]]:  '''Bitch, Ienai!''' is a constraint language created by [[User:Yayimhere]] with assistance from [[User:MarkFan8901]]. Unlike a typical esolang, Bitch, Ienai! works like a constraint puzzle for esolangs; it's def
< 1791073227 381617 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: ah, I was going to do that one but couldn't connect to Libera
< 1791073239 169894 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 243 seconds
< 1791073248 698826 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think they've hard-banned at least one address inside the dynamic IP range my connection uses, so if I happen to be given that one randomly I can't connect
< 1791073297 949612 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I have OOTS connected to a feed reader inside my email client, so when a new OOTS comic is posted, I get notified as though I had received an email)
< 1791073309 184612 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord
< 1791073686 73811 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] MarkFan8901
< 1791073715 51264 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we just noticed on the [[Bitch, Ienai!]] page yayimhere uses a `{{cd}}` template instead of `<code></code>`
< 1791073797 747878 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's just a shorthand for the same tag
< 1791073820 147399 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, but it seems kind of excessive
< 1791073850 821445 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :to make a whole template just so its shorter in the wikitext
< 1791074071 586626 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: it's fine, there are two other people here who sometimes send that notification. And if we wanted to make it reliable we'd have automted it anyway.
< 1791074303 109878 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: the 99 bottles of beer page is nearing the need to be split
< 1791074352 389286 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe code challenge pages should be automatically split between the problem itself and their implementations
< 1791074458 359708 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm in line with that idea, would allow more room to explain the problem a little deeper I think
< 1791074493 645278 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yesyes
< 1791074530 868995 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a comparison to be made with [[Hello, world!]], [[99 bottles of beer]] and [[FizzBuzz]] since they're all "Kolmogorov complexity" problems, but the means to which the problem is solved is different
< 1791074565 350000 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the first is just a constant, the second requires iteration and a unique final step, the third requires iteration and some sort of check for periodicity
< 1791074611 817554 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you putting all of those in such abstract terms gave us a whiff of an esolang idea
< 1791074628 355427 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :to try to get close to the limit of kolmogorov complexity
< 1791074653 810477 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: 99bb wouldn't be interesting if it were only the numbers 99 to 0; the fun is the additional concatenations and having to handle the plural form alongside the unique final verse
< 1791074700 397199 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzbuzz leads to modulo of course, but it can also use different methods of repeating a la counting up or string rewriting
< 1791074725 389067 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs : 
< 1791074725 529634 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -e i=0 print(("n n Fizz n Buzz Fizz n n Fizz Buzz n Fizz n n FizzBuzz "):rep(7):gsub("%S+",load'i=i+1 return ...=="n"and i or ...'))
< 1791074728 30681 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 2 Fizz 4 Buzz Fizz 7 8 Fizz Buzz 11 Fizz 13 14 FizzBuzz 16 17 Fizz 19 Buzz Fizz 22 23 Fizz Buzz 26 Fizz 28 29 FizzBuzz 31 32 Fizz 34 Buzz Fizz 37 38 Fizz Buzz 41 Fizz 43 44 FizzBuzz 46 47 Fizz 49 Buzz Fizz 52 53 Fizz Buzz 56 Fizz 58 59 FizzBuzz 61 62 Fizz 64 Buzz Fizz 67 68 Fizz Buzz 71 Fizz 73 74 FizzBuzz 76 77 Fizz 79 Buzz Fizz 82 83 Fizz Buzz 86 Fizz 88 89 FizzBuzz 91 92 Fizz 94 Buzz Fizz 97 98 Fizz Buzz 101 Fizz 103 104 FizzBuzz 	105
< 1791074801 516784 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can also be written in the objectively correct way, which is an if/else chain for each constant
< 1791075002 787469 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -e t=0 f=0 w=io.write for i=1, 100 do t=t+1 f=f+1 if t<3 and f<5 then w(i.."")end if t==3 then t=0 w"Fizz"end if f==5 then f=0 w"Buzz"end w"\n"end 
< 1791075005 544371 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ Fizz \ 4 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 11 \ Fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ FizzBuzz \ 16 \ 17 \ Fizz \ 19 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 26 \ Fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ FizzBuzz \ 31 \ 32 \ Fizz \ 34 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 41 \ Fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ FizzBuzz \ 46 \ 47 \ Fizz \ 49 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 56 \ Fizz \ 58 \ 59 \ FizzBuzz \ 61 \ 62 \ Fizz \ 64 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 67 \ 68 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 71 \ Fizz \ 73 \ 74 \ FizzBuzz \ 
< 1791075056 655421 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what if you generate a table that maps numbers to their fizzbuzz string, then iterate over that
< 1791075061 989406 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :already writing that
< 1791075087 82640 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually hold on perhaps haskell set constructors could do that pretty fluently too
< 1791075089 449464 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -e f="Fizz"b="Buzz"n={[3]=f,[5]=b,[6]=f,[9]=f,[10]=b,[12]=f,[15]=f..b}for i=1,100 do print(f[i]or i)end
< 1791075092 264646 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 6 \ 7 \ 8 \ 9 \ 10 \ 11 \ 12 \ 13 \ 14 \ 15 \ 16 \ 17 \ 18 \ 19 \ 20 \ 21 \ 22 \ 23 \ 24 \ 25 \ 26 \ 27 \ 28 \ 29 \ 30 \ 31 \ 32 \ 33 \ 34 \ 35 \ 36 \ 37 \ 38 \ 39 \ 40 \ 41 \ 42 \ 43 \ 44 \ 45 \ 46 \ 47 \ 48 \ 49 \ 50 \ 51 \ 52 \ 53 \ 54 \ 55 \ 56 \ 57 \ 58 \ 59 \ 60 \ 61 \ 62 \ 63 \ 64 \ 65 \ 66 \ 67 \ 68 \ 69 \ 70 \ 71 \ 72 \ 73 \ 74 \ 75 \ 76 \ 77 \ 78 \ 79 \ 80 \ 81 \ 82 \ 83 \ 84 \ 85 \ 86 \ 87 \ 88 \ 89 \ 90 \ 91 \ 92 \ 93 \ 94 \
< 1791075092 709747 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :er
< 1791075125 951247 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -e f="Fizz"b="Buzz"n={[3]=f,[5]=b,[6]=f,[9]=f,[10]=b,[12]=f,[15]=f..b}t=0 for i=1,100 do t=t+1 print(n[t]or i) if t==15 then t=0 end end
< 1791075129 515044 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ Fizz \ 4 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 11 \ Fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ FizzBuzz \ 16 \ 17 \ Fizz \ 19 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 26 \ Fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ FizzBuzz \ 31 \ 32 \ Fizz \ 34 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 41 \ Fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ FizzBuzz \ 46 \ 47 \ Fizz \ 49 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 56 \ Fizz \ 58 \ 59 \ FizzBuzz \ 61 \ 62 \ Fizz \ 64 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 67 \ 68 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 71 \ Fizz \ 73 \ 74 \ FizzBuzz \ 
< 1791075171 369721 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -e f="Fizz"b="Buzz"n={[3]=f,[5]=b,[6]=f,[9]=f,[10]=b,[12]=f,[15]=f..b}t=0 for i=1,100 do t=i%15 print(n[t]or i) end
< 1791075174 924632 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ Fizz \ 4 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 11 \ Fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ 15 \ 16 \ 17 \ Fizz \ 19 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 26 \ Fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ 30 \ 31 \ 32 \ Fizz \ 34 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 41 \ Fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ 45 \ 46 \ 47 \ Fizz \ 49 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 56 \ Fizz \ 58 \ 59 \ 60 \ 61 \ 62 \ Fizz \ 64 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 67 \ 68 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 71 \ Fizz \ 73 \ 74 \ 75 \ 76 \ 77 \ Fizz \ 79 \ Buzz \ F
< 1791075207 956496 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -e f="Fizz"b="Buzz"n={[3]=f,[5]=b,[6]=f,[9]=f,[10]=b,[12]=f,[15]=f..b}t=0 for i=1,100 do print(n[i%15]or i)end -- would've done this but I barred modulo for the original one
< 1791075210 637602 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ Fizz \ 4 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 11 \ Fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ 15 \ 16 \ 17 \ Fizz \ 19 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 26 \ Fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ 30 \ 31 \ 32 \ Fizz \ 34 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 41 \ Fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ 45 \ 46 \ 47 \ Fizz \ 49 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 56 \ Fizz \ 58 \ 59 \ 60 \ 61 \ 62 \ Fizz \ 64 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 67 \ 68 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 71 \ Fizz \ 73 \ 74 \ 75 \ 76 \ 77 \ Fizz \ 79 \ Buzz \ F
< 1791075216 789478 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :...
< 1791075226 536538 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so theres a legit bug with modulo
< 1791075230 870394 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nono it's 0 indexed
< 1791075259 292047 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -e f="Fizz"b="Buzz"n={[3]=f,[5]=b,[6]=f,[9]=f,[10]=b,[12]=f,[15]=f..b}for i=1,99 do print(n[(i-1)%15+1]or i)end -- would've done this but I barred modulo for the original one
< 1791075262 28526 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ Fizz \ 4 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 11 \ Fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ FizzBuzz \ 16 \ 17 \ Fizz \ 19 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 26 \ Fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ FizzBuzz \ 31 \ 32 \ Fizz \ 34 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 41 \ Fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ FizzBuzz \ 46 \ 47 \ Fizz \ 49 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 56 \ Fizz \ 58 \ 59 \ FizzBuzz \ 61 \ 62 \ Fizz \ 64 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 67 \ 68 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 71 \ Fizz \ 73 \ 74 \ FizzBuzz \ 
< 1791075291 380776 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually I can just shift the indices
< 1791075331 990062 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -e f="Fizz"b="Buzz"n={[2]=f,[4]=b,[5]=f,[8]=f,[9]=b,[11]=f,[14]=f..b}for i=1,99 do print(n[(i-1)%15]or i)end -- would've done this but I barred modulo for the original one
< 1791075334 767914 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ Fizz \ 4 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 11 \ Fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ FizzBuzz \ 16 \ 17 \ Fizz \ 19 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 26 \ Fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ FizzBuzz \ 31 \ 32 \ Fizz \ 34 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 41 \ Fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ FizzBuzz \ 46 \ 47 \ Fizz \ 49 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 56 \ Fizz \ 58 \ 59 \ FizzBuzz \ 61 \ 62 \ Fizz \ 64 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 67 \ 68 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 71 \ Fizz \ 73 \ 74 \ FizzBuzz \ 
< 1791075347 498445 :somefan!~somefan@user/somefan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1791075347 910051 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fofrgot to remove the comment each time lmao
< 1791075363 230974 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye cuz u would have done it
< 1791075369 296714 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but you barred modulo for the original one
< 1791075391 130525 :somefan!~somefan@user/somefan JOIN #esolangs somefan :nunya
> 1791075652 695728 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197107&oldid=197097 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+454) 10/* what is a value, actually */ new section
< 1791075797 81126 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -e "aadenboy: have you considered this?"; s=0;k=0;for c=1,100 do p="";s=s+1;k=k+1;if 3<s then s=0;p="fizz"end;if 5<k then k=0;p=p.."buzz"end;if""==p then p=c end;print(p)end
< 1791075799 759389 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :lua: (command line):1: unexpected symbol near '"aadenboy: have you considered this?"'
< 1791075804 471398 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :argh
< 1791075807 199483 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :f'king lua
< 1791075811 462500 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -ev="aadenboy: have you considered this?"; s=0;k=0;for c=1,100 do p="";s=s+1;k=k+1;if 3<s then s=0;p="fizz"end;if 5<k then k=0;p=p.."buzz"end;if""==p then p=c end;print(p)end
< 1791075813 706718 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ 3 \ fizz \ 5 \ buzz \ 7 \ fizz \ 9 \ 10 \ 11 \ fizzbuzz \ 13 \ 14 \ 15 \ fizz \ 17 \ buzz \ 19 \ fizz \ 21 \ 22 \ 23 \ fizzbuzz \ 25 \ 26 \ 27 \ fizz \ 29 \ buzz \ 31 \ fizz \ 33 \ 34 \ 35 \ fizzbuzz \ 37 \ 38 \ 39 \ fizz \ 41 \ buzz \ 43 \ fizz \ 45 \ 46 \ 47 \ fizzbuzz \ 49 \ 50 \ 51 \ fizz \ 53 \ buzz \ 55 \ fizz \ 57 \ 58 \ 59 \ fizzbuzz \ 61 \ 62 \ 63 \ fizz \ 65 \ buzz \ 67 \ fizz \ 69 \ 70 \ 71 \ fizzbuzz \ 73 \ 74 \ 75 \ fizz \ 77 \ buzz \ 
> 1791075944 949646 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197108&oldid=197105 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-7) 10
< 1791076011 469486 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that doesn't look quite right
< 1791076049 115725 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -ev="aadenboy: have you considered this?"; s=0;k=0;for c=1,100 do p="";s=s+1;k=k+1;if 3<=s then s=0;p="fizz"end;if 5<=k then k=0;p=p.."buzz"end;if""==p then p=c end;print(p)end
< 1791076051 355193 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ fizz \ 4 \ buzz \ fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ fizz \ buzz \ 11 \ fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ fizzbuzz \ 16 \ 17 \ fizz \ 19 \ buzz \ fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ fizz \ buzz \ 26 \ fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ fizzbuzz \ 31 \ 32 \ fizz \ 34 \ buzz \ fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ fizz \ buzz \ 41 \ fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ fizzbuzz \ 46 \ 47 \ fizz \ 49 \ buzz \ fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ fizz \ buzz \ 56 \ fizz \ 58 \ 59 \ fizzbuzz \ 61 \ 62 \ fizz \ 64 \ buzz \ fizz \ 67 \ 68 \ fizz \ buzz \ 71 \ fizz \ 73 \ 74 \ fizzbuzz \ 
< 1791076054 648482 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<aadenboy> ais523: the 99 bottles of beer page is nearing the need to be split ← it is a wiki, this sort of edit usually doesn't need an admin (unless it runs into issues relating to the amount of content you can add in a single edit)
< 1791076076 418011 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -e s=0;k=0;for c=1,100 do p="";s=s+1;k=k+1;if 2<s then s=0;p="fizz"end;if 4<k then k=0;p=p.."buzz"end;if""==p then p=c end;print(p)end
< 1791076076 518315 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oki oki
< 1791076078 817693 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ fizz \ 4 \ buzz \ fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ fizz \ buzz \ 11 \ fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ fizzbuzz \ 16 \ 17 \ fizz \ 19 \ buzz \ fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ fizz \ buzz \ 26 \ fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ fizzbuzz \ 31 \ 32 \ fizz \ 34 \ buzz \ fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ fizz \ buzz \ 41 \ fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ fizzbuzz \ 46 \ 47 \ fizz \ 49 \ buzz \ fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ fizz \ buzz \ 56 \ fizz \ 58 \ 59 \ fizzbuzz \ 61 \ 62 \ fizz \ 64 \ buzz \ fizz \ 67 \ 68 \ fizz \ buzz \ 71 \ fizz \ 73 \ 74 \ fizzbuzz \ 
< 1791076081 767151 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -es=0;k=0;for c=1,100 do p="";s=s+1;k=k+1;if 2<s then s=0;p="fizz"end;if 4<k then k=0;p=p.."buzz"end;if""==p then p=c end;print(p)end
< 1791076084 285041 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ fizz \ 4 \ buzz \ fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ fizz \ buzz \ 11 \ fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ fizzbuzz \ 16 \ 17 \ fizz \ 19 \ buzz \ fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ fizz \ buzz \ 26 \ fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ fizzbuzz \ 31 \ 32 \ fizz \ 34 \ buzz \ fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ fizz \ buzz \ 41 \ fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ fizzbuzz \ 46 \ 47 \ fizz \ 49 \ buzz \ fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ fizz \ buzz \ 56 \ fizz \ 58 \ 59 \ fizzbuzz \ 61 \ 62 \ fizz \ 64 \ buzz \ fizz \ 67 \ 68 \ fizz \ buzz \ 71 \ fizz \ 73 \ 74 \ fizzbuzz \ 
< 1791076529 90571 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -efor i=1,100 do print((("Fizz"):sub(i%3*4)..("Buzz"):sub(i%5*4)):gsub("^$",i))end
< 1791076532 705663 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :zz	0 \ 2	1 \ Fizz	0 \ z	0 \ Buzz	0 \ Fizzz	0 \ z	0 \ 8	1 \ Fizz	0 \ zBuzz	0 \ z	0 \ Fizz	0 \ z	0 \ 14	1 \ FizzBuzz	0 \ zz	0 \ 17	1 \ Fizz	0 \ z	0 \ Buzz	0 \ Fizzz	0 \ z	0 \ 23	1 \ Fizz	0 \ zBuzz	0 \ z	0 \ Fizz	0 \ z	0 \ 29	1 \ FizzBuzz	0 \ zz	0 \ 32	1 \ Fizz	0 \ z	0 \ Buzz	0 \ Fizzz	0 \ z	0 \ 38	1 \ Fizz	0 \ zBuzz	0 \ z	0 \ Fizz	0 \ z	0 \ 44	1 \ FizzBuzz	0 \ zz	0 \ 47	1 \ Fizz	0 \ z	0 \ Buzz	0 \ Fizzz	0 \ z	0 \ 53	1 \ Fizz	0 \ zBuzz	0 \ z	0 \ Fizz	0 \ z	0 
< 1791076542 865950 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1791076569 584762 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -efor i=1,100 do print((("Fizz"):sub(i%3*5)..("Buzz"):sub(i%5*5)):gsub("^$",i).."")end
< 1791076573 157523 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ Fizz \ 4 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 11 \ Fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ FizzBuzz \ 16 \ 17 \ Fizz \ 19 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 26 \ Fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ FizzBuzz \ 31 \ 32 \ Fizz \ 34 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 41 \ Fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ FizzBuzz \ 46 \ 47 \ Fizz \ 49 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 56 \ Fizz \ 58 \ 59 \ FizzBuzz \ 61 \ 62 \ Fizz \ 64 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 67 \ 68 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 71 \ Fizz \ 73 \ 74 \ FizzBuzz \ 
< 1791076601 73995 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -efor i=1,100 do print(((("Fizz"):sub(i%3*5)..("Buzz"):sub(i%5*5)):gsub("^$",i)))end
< 1791076604 475946 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ Fizz \ 4 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 11 \ Fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ FizzBuzz \ 16 \ 17 \ Fizz \ 19 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 26 \ Fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ FizzBuzz \ 31 \ 32 \ Fizz \ 34 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 41 \ Fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ FizzBuzz \ 46 \ 47 \ Fizz \ 49 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 56 \ Fizz \ 58 \ 59 \ FizzBuzz \ 61 \ 62 \ Fizz \ 64 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 67 \ 68 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 71 \ Fizz \ 73 \ 74 \ FizzBuzz \ 
< 1791076710 410598 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -ep=1;for c=1,100 do q={c,c,"fizz",c,"buzz","fizz",c,c,"fizz","buzz",c,"fizz",c,c,"fizzbuzz"};print(q[p]);if p<15 then p=p+1 else p=1 end;end
< 1791076713 128188 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ fizz \ 4 \ buzz \ fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ fizz \ buzz \ 11 \ fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ fizzbuzz \ 16 \ 17 \ fizz \ 19 \ buzz \ fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ fizz \ buzz \ 26 \ fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ fizzbuzz \ 31 \ 32 \ fizz \ 34 \ buzz \ fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ fizz \ buzz \ 41 \ fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ fizzbuzz \ 46 \ 47 \ fizz \ 49 \ buzz \ fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ fizz \ buzz \ 56 \ fizz \ 58 \ 59 \ fizzbuzz \ 61 \ 62 \ fizz \ 64 \ buzz \ fizz \ 67 \ 68 \ fizz \ buzz \ 71 \ fizz \ 73 \ 74 \ fizzbuzz \ 
< 1791076730 15336 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: ^ if you want a modulo 15 thing without the modulo operator
< 1791076795 236198 :amby!~ambylastn@46.162.147.147.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1791076816 755980 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -ef="Fizz"b="Buzz"t=0 for i=1,100 do t=t+1 print(({i,i,f,i,b,f,i,i,f,b,i,f,i,i,f..b})[t])if t==15 then t=0 end end
< 1791076819 267882 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ Fizz \ 4 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 11 \ Fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ FizzBuzz \ 16 \ 17 \ Fizz \ 19 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 26 \ Fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ FizzBuzz \ 31 \ 32 \ Fizz \ 34 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 41 \ Fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ FizzBuzz \ 46 \ 47 \ Fizz \ 49 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 56 \ Fizz \ 58 \ 59 \ FizzBuzz \ 61 \ 62 \ Fizz \ 64 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 67 \ 68 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 71 \ Fizz \ 73 \ 74 \ FizzBuzz \ 
< 1791076846 71943 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -ef="Fizz"b="Buzz"t=0 for i=1,100 do t=t+1 print(({i,i,f,i,b,f,i,i,f,b,i,f,i,i,f..b})[t])if 14<t then t=0 end end
< 1791076849 47470 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ Fizz \ 4 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 11 \ Fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ FizzBuzz \ 16 \ 17 \ Fizz \ 19 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 26 \ Fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ FizzBuzz \ 31 \ 32 \ Fizz \ 34 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 41 \ Fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ FizzBuzz \ 46 \ 47 \ Fizz \ 49 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 56 \ Fizz \ 58 \ 59 \ FizzBuzz \ 61 \ 62 \ Fizz \ 64 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 67 \ 68 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 71 \ Fizz \ 73 \ 74 \ FizzBuzz \ 
< 1791076864 244490 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm
< 1791076910 473927 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -ef="Fizz"b="Buzz"t=0 for i=1,100 do t=14<t and 0 or t+1 print(({i,i,f,i,b,f,i,i,f,b,i,f,i,i,f..b})[t])end
< 1791076913 595230 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ Fizz \ 4 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 11 \ Fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ FizzBuzz \ nil \ 17 \ 18 \ Fizz \ 20 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 23 \ 24 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 27 \ Fizz \ 29 \ 30 \ FizzBuzz \ nil \ 33 \ 34 \ Fizz \ 36 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 39 \ 40 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 43 \ Fizz \ 45 \ 46 \ FizzBuzz \ nil \ 49 \ 50 \ Fizz \ 52 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 55 \ 56 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 59 \ Fizz \ 61 \ 62 \ FizzBuzz \ nil \ 65 \ 66 \ Fizz \ 68 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 71 \ 72 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 75 \ Fizz
< 1791076967 409665 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whoops
< 1791076974 609736 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`lua -ef="Fizz"b="Buzz"t=0 for i=1,100 do t=14<t and 1 or t+1 print(({i,i,f,i,b,f,i,i,f,b,i,f,i,i,f..b})[t])end
< 1791076977 184003 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ Fizz \ 4 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 11 \ Fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ FizzBuzz \ 16 \ 17 \ Fizz \ 19 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 26 \ Fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ FizzBuzz \ 31 \ 32 \ Fizz \ 34 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 41 \ Fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ FizzBuzz \ 46 \ 47 \ Fizz \ 49 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 56 \ Fizz \ 58 \ 59 \ FizzBuzz \ 61 \ 62 \ Fizz \ 64 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 67 \ 68 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 71 \ Fizz \ 73 \ 74 \ FizzBuzz \ 
> 1791077345 903508 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FizzBuzz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197109&oldid=197008 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+781) 10/* Lua */ add some solutions in [[Lua]]
> 1791078690 873260 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Toki pi ilo nanpa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197110&oldid=124015 5* 03Aartaka 5* (+0) 10Fix a typo in "reference"
< 1791078720 870546 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah
< 1791078721 914803 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :toki pona
< 1791078722 858925 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :scary
> 1791078787 656759 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197111&oldid=197106 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-819) 10
> 1791078878 970872 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197112&oldid=197111 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+40) 10
> 1791079091 233742 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197113&oldid=197112 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+24) 10
> 1791079171 216947 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197114&oldid=197113 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-12) 10
> 1791079415 564379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197115&oldid=197114 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+9) 10
> 1791079472 535277 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/Blog draft14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=197116 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+7586) 10this was written in the middle of the night. I might rewrite this entirely tbh but Hey. May be fine as is
> 1791079493 113793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197117&oldid=197115 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+2) 10
< 1791079515 228686 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: ^ the draft was based on our chat on computation
< 1791079527 743926 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh hm
< 1791079577 879693 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :having a subpage with "Blog" in the name is kind of on the nose for using the wiki like a blog though
< 1791079582 107309 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we'll still read it tho
< 1791079596 389434 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it will be moved to my personal wiki when it's finalized
< 1791079608 489250 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably could've just shared the google doc directly tbh
< 1791079635 225353 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :this might actually be better in the moment cuz we dont trust google docs
< 1791079666 855837 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you wanna share a text doc with us (or here in general) we would suggest catbox.moe
< 1791079703 451384 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd've made it a github pages site if not esolangs, already what the /miscellaneous/ subdir is being used for
< 1791079714 732493 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* on my site
< 1791079721 85303 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It is often considered that the symbols in logic will have values, which are usually TRUE and FALSE; however, the rules can be used even if they do not have any values, or you could have different values. For example, the values might be integers, and a modal operator could have a value of -1 if the operand is -1 or 0 otherwise.
< 1791079771 251329 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(You might then also make up a "shift operator" and then the rules of that too)
< 1791079775 539828 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea logic is actually just an algreba over two symbols true and false
< 1791079814 78879 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could probably deliberately make a system that looks nothing like logic values-wise but has the structure of logic in its meta-structure
< 1791080020 469615 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, or have no values at all (in my opinion, the rules of logic does not have values by itself, even though they often say that they do).
< 1791080065 767499 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm wait hold on
< 1791080073 209301 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :a system like that might actually have some incredibly useful properties
< 1791080093 117425 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :since you can apply the entirety of work that's been put into logic so far to the meta-structure of it
< 1791080097 649767 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :For example, they often say law of excluded middle "X OR NOT X" must mean that either "X" must be true or "NOT X" must be true, but I think, not necessarily. If you do not use values like TRUE and FALSE then it won't mean that.
< 1791080101 98384 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :to get certain properties of the language
< 1791080109 521321 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even though, law of excluded middle can still be valid, despite that.
< 1791080767 57288 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ JOIN #esolangs PkmnQ :realname
> 1791081099 359130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197118&oldid=196940 5* 03None1 5* (+363) 10/* BF Joust strategies */
> 1791081369 38829 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Aadenboy/Blog draft14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=197119 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+2434) 10/* thoughts on this */ new section
< 1791081393 403907 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadeboy: Our response. (Not clickbait)
< 1791081395 730984 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy:
> 1791081423 687339 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Aadenboy/Blog draft14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197120&oldid=197119 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+0) 10
> 1791081567 797653 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Aadenboy/Blog draft14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197121&oldid=197120 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+460) 10
> 1791081623 194826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Aadenboy/Blog draft14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197122&oldid=197121 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+244) 10
< 1791081656 949349 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :enlightened felt like the right word :P
< 1791081667 31022 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :properly it would be "revealing" instead
< 1791081671 520142 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :er, "revealed"
< 1791081698 482615 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea the emotions behind figuring stuff like that out are very weird
< 1791081720 510882 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its one we love though so we chase after it ceaselessly
< 1791081751 617511 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also something about the difficulty/challenge split, we originally came up with it in a completely different context
< 1791081767 50192 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yet it somehow managed to directly bust through into here too
< 1791081776 112367 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it makes sense
< 1791081780 84386 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yknow that language that got added earlier called [[Brainfuck NEVER CLEAR]]?
< 1791081786 754896 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mhm
> 1791081807 834095 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197123&oldid=197118 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1102) 10/* BF Joust strategies */ some feedback
< 1791081835 854871 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"part of a series of other esoteric programming languages turned into awfully disgusting tools to use" aka derivative slop machine........
< 1791081883 144681 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the name is a reference to the "[blank] never clear" trope for really difficult levels/challenges/games made in video games with incredibly active builder communities
< 1791081890 22098 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like geometry dash and roblox, for example
< 1791081913 312688 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I think that sounds familiar
< 1791081931 373271 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the trope originated in geometry dash where [blank] would be popular people in the gd community, and the level would be made for them
< 1791081941 764475 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the premise is that the level is Too Hard For Them To Beat
< 1791081959 596724 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :noclip:
< 1791081962 730083 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs : /j
< 1791081963 736332 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :true....
< 1791081992 230323 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but its spread basically everywhere that communities centered around ultra-hard difficulty has, which spring up naturally from communities around building gameplay
< 1791082043 657901 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we were actually in one of those communities, one built around ultra-hard towers and whatever
< 1791082054 286685 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :towers :]
< 1791082059 657998 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1791082061 356531 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :well we're Still in it, but not as active
< 1791082089 622299 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :recently we've noticed a MUCH more massive and popular surge in them in the general tower community
< 1791082107 919888 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :to the point we could feel the splash back of it from the little corners of the tower community we still pay attention to now
< 1791082133 267578 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and we noticed that a lot of the ultra-hard gameplay being pumped out in them were. uh
< 1791082136 16616 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :very low quality
< 1791082142 893956 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it was hard to put *why*
< 1791082171 555486 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :arbitrary theoretical hardness, I presume
< 1791082188 981835 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nah thats a completely different ballpark
< 1791082207 165312 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :however thats funny cuz that is an actual issue anyways, its just not related to this one
< 1791082221 912531 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: cuz otherwise a lot of them have TONS of production value, with gorgeous decoration and very meaty lengthy gameplay
< 1791082233 725130 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is also a common theme in other games like geometry dash
< 1791082244 816137 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but their gameplay just,, kinda sucks
< 1791082260 831964 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and we managed to pin it down to that difficulty/challenge distinction
< 1791082277 871206 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :a lot of the gameplay being made is *difficult*, yes, but its not very challenging
< 1791082285 955189 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you just figure out how to do the jump then you do it
< 1791082325 216628 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :all of the difficulty is concentrated purely into executing the inputs to do the gameplay and nothing else
< 1791082377 238324 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :any challenge that would come from having to think about how the jumps really work or how different mechanics interact with each other are considered incidental
< 1791082381 861658 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and not like a 'real' source of difficulty
< 1791082397 599236 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this makes more sense now, I've made level(s) exactly like that
< 1791082399 195096 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the problem, of course, being that thats where *most* of the intrigue of towers come from
< 1791082404 452347 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :geometry dash levels*
< 1791082422 786797 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're glad this is all ringing a bell for you
< 1791082433 903209 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're doing important work here /kindatongueincheek
< 1791082470 999764 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: since towers are just platformers; to make a good hard platformer you still need to make a good platformer
> 1791082477 699907 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hexafunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197124&oldid=197005 5* 03Cordership 5* (+0) 10/* FizzBuzz */
< 1791082494 750819 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok but to bring this back to esolangs
< 1791082543 196848 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[Brainfuck NEVER CLEAR]] is a perfect demonstration of this attitude about difficulty
< 1791082578 898725 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :because its an attempt to apply it to esolangs, but the problem is that esolanging is literally composed 100% of that exploration
< 1791082586 948798 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :an exploration of challenge
< 1791082638 589526 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is how the original context of our idea got roped directly into esolanging
< 1791082641 328255 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and uh ya
< 1791082744 60074 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was an insightful distinction, where it came from too it's clearer
< 1791082763 453856 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayay thank u
< 1791082767 229505 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe esolanging is like puzzle designing......
< 1791082791 549595 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh maybe thats why designing that constraint language felt so much like typical esolanging
< 1791082824 835946 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :a funny idea is that all of this is just game design
< 1791082829 589143 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no yeah esolanging *is* puzzle designing in a way
< 1791082833 676432 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yee
< 1791082837 551112 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :turing tumble would be the clearest example of that
< 1791082857 5663 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[Final Word Of The Day]] and [[Bitch, Ienai!]] also
< 1791082857 499892 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you give the "player" a set of primitives to use and ask them to make programs from it
< 1791082866 867935 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually wait hold on
< 1791082870 469677 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're gonna check out turing tumble
< 1791082934 685640 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm
< 1791082937 264314 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :>Turing Tumble has been proven to be Turing-complete, given an infinitely long board and unlimited pieces.
< 1791082952 167125 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(we havent read it fully yet)
< 1791082963 485342 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm the page doesn't link to the website for iit
< 1791082965 236348 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it*
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> 1791082982 521280 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turing Tumble14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197125&oldid=193486 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+41) 10/* External links */
< 1791082986 289732 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://upperstory.com/en/turingtumble/
> 1791082987 2734 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03None1 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Turtlefuck.png10]]": Logo for the [[Turtlefuck]] esolang.
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< 1791082997 673855 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you cant add new pieces to the board, that requirement would seem to paint turing tumble as an fsa
< 1791083024 809455 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :since the unlimited pieces would presumably act as the memory, aswell as the core computational bit
< 1791083046 907461 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like a neural network, which are fsa's
< 1791083078 972288 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it makes us think though, the concept of an infinite state automaton is kind of interesting
< 1791083085 150176 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in an fsa extended to be infinite
< 1791083113 899941 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wonder if there could be any unique observations made about them being weirdly in between fsas and turing machines
< 1791083198 629915 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :felt like mentioning: "all of the difficulty is concentrated purely into executing the inputs to do the gameplay and nothing else" this reminds me of the hardest level in cellua, which is a very large kaizo level requiring 700+ ticks of precise inputs (and has only been completed by a TAS)
< 1791083220 16985 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but "precise inputs" is a misnomer since each tick is discrete and immediate, so I don't know how well the concept holds
< 1791083227 689776 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(*a tick is 0.2 seconds)
< 1791083234 822892 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think it still holds
< 1791083252 677800 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the platformer meta in cellua has not advanced at all so I don't have any of a reference point to compare it to
< 1791083268 807887 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually we need to look up what cellua is again
> 1791083270 874459 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Oceanfunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197127&oldid=197057 5* 03Cordership 5* (+56) 10
< 1791083273 5030 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFpfsU8RAAw <- this is the tas if you're curious
< 1791083316 591636 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :watching
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< 1791083337 211606 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +v :perlbot
> 1791083367 451037 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hexafunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197128&oldid=197124 5* 03Cordership 5* (+0) 10/* FizzBuzz */
< 1791083368 450035 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes great example of what we're talking about
< 1791083452 924267 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"so I don't have any of a reference point to compare it to" <- well, there is https://cellua.miraheze.org/wiki/File:FrostbiteHallCompletion.mp4
< 1791083456 132844 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: same thing for high level cut the rope, which people have depressingly reduced to just spamming the gravity button through tight spaces
< 1791083496 429907 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yeah I've seen that
< 1791083500 709140 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: damn thats actually kinda cool
< 1791083519 262409 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its like shell kaizo in smw
< 1791083524 201487 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh speaking of which
< 1791083532 102652 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that cellua level was fun to beat :]
< 1791083541 56791 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in
< 1791083543 540801 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :glad to hear
< 1791083547 80313 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi simcop2387
< 1791083569 768247 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also the icicle from that level accidentally ended up being the only cell in cellua to be able to achieve true diagonal movement faster than c
< 1791083581 872325 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :er, first cell
< 1791083591 267450 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :funny
< 1791083635 574420 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: a GREAT counterpoint to typical conceptions of difficulty is the current high-level tas-oriented romhacking community in smw
< 1791083656 342057 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: based on my experience with speedrunners, the number of inputs a human could learn to input accurately at a rate of 5Hz is, with enough practice, likely to be extremely high
< 1791083658 200392 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in, the community around making romhacks that are designed to be tased
< 1791083674 562450 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :here lets pull up a really good example
< 1791083740 442154 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a realtime puzzle game I used to play ran at 10Hz and many of the later puzzles needed accurate inputs on most of the ticks, I couldn't do it reliably but could get close, and that was without that much practice
< 1791083771 303685 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://youtu.be/aOzg7Bjtiv4
< 1791083776 128755 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :warning: 6 hour long video
< 1791083833 618701 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is a LOT of cape
< 1791083838 314843 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1791083843 268435 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is a rom hack where the premise is (we think) you have 10 keys you need to juggle in a HUGE map
< 1791083875 218444 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and align them all at the very end so that you can clip through them perfectly through a (if we remember correctly) 2 block wide floor to the orb
< 1791083923 854774 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one wide, checking the end
< 1791083936 771819 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we chose that video specifically cuz the way they did it looks REALLY satisfying at the end, but this is this author completion vid https://youtu.be/3xjzI8YEqOo
< 1791083976 831215 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the gameplay of this hack is almost completely removed from actually playing mario
< 1791084005 88010 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the main challenge is actually in writing the script that generates the inputs to complete it
< 1791084042 57105 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats basically pure Challenge, completely divorced from any standard difficulty mario would provide
< 1791084081 281773 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think this hack is actually what inspired us to work on our current tower, which we've talked about a bit before
< 1791084119 444494 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is about programming bots to beat certain sections of gameplay
< 1791084122 459702 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's all a puzzle in the end!
< 1791084144 173834 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1791084167 962211 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think this might actually just be a consequence of how gameplay is conceived of
< 1791084215 308576 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if youre thinking about gameplay in terms of difficulty, you just think about what 'hard' things come to mind first
< 1791084225 53290 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then focus on how to make them more difficult
< 1791084270 580307 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you kind of lock yourself out of creativity as you try to pursue it harder and mentally push more things out of the way
< 1791084295 634179 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if youre thinking about gameplay in terms of creativity, however, you think about how you can create unique sources of difficulty and challenge
< 1791084329 960791 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which are much more mental tasks than simply buffing gameplay to the hardest limit you can
< 1791084352 861792 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :them being mental tasks means your frame of reference is in thought
< 1791084360 81125 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which naturally lends itself to puzzling
< 1791084384 263016 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :in short, when you think about challenge you think about puzzles because youre thinking about thinking and puzzles are about thinking
< 1791084417 924537 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ rhetoric final boss
< 1791084449 795671 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hopefully this all makes sense ;w;
< 1791084455 389706 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it very much does
< 1791084457 767550 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oki good
< 1791084470 337984 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we check cuz we know we're still prone to just babbling about things
< 1791084490 879536 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's how it feels like when I write wiki pages haha
< 1791084516 630167 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps we are very highly skilled at babbling
< 1791084527 577285 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :to the point that we figured out how to make it useful
< 1791084553 305094 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually no we think babbling is inherently useful
< 1791084568 612776 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :when we said our original message we just mean like, we're prone to saying shit
< 1791084589 980310 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and not really paying attention to what overarching idea we're actually communicating
< 1791084615 242294 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths
< 1791084626 813399 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi lisbeths
< 1791084631 370556 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :quote of mine in a dm: "the only problem with enjoying writing in a wiki-like fashion and having Enough knowledge on a topic is that I sometimes feel like I'm kind of. spewing crap? in a way? like it's sensible in my mind but there's probably already existing, better definitions and language or what I'm saying just Isn't Right At All"
< 1791084648 428822 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901 hi can I be of assistance to you?
< 1791084655 132978 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wha
< 1791084658 368 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :are you a bot
< 1791084668 876458 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :no. could a bot do this? 01010101001100101010100101
< 1791084673 548005 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay okay
< 1791084683 509923 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry for being so stark thats just a very unnatural way to introduce yourself
< 1791084683 564562 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :are (((you))) a bot?
< 1791084689 55426 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
< 1791084694 376826 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you do know what those ((())) mean right
< 1791084709 860543 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :?
< 1791084729 295212 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :its a way to emphasize a word popularized by japanese imageboards. some people associate it with the political far right but it isnt politically charged
< 1791084756 425298 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea we recognize it from the fact neonazis use it to flag something as jewish
< 1791084773 277768 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :well I am jewish and I voted for hillary clinton
< 1791084793 749494 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is false that everyone who uses sites like 4chan are right wing. they are just the loudest voices tehre
< 1791084813 645030 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah we know our shit about 4chan and whatnot
< 1791084818 788897 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also neo nazis
< 1791084842 989825 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :17 years ago when I started using the site most 4chan users were communist. and this changed over the years
< 1791084849 587443 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :some boards are still very communist like /wg/
< 1791084873 372407 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually okay we kinda lied we dont know like, the specifics of 4chan
< 1791084881 352315 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like we've only looked there a few times
< 1791084894 174622 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Such thing like ((( ))) look to me like stuff like how in MediaWiki you can write [[ ]] to make a link, but something else instead
< 1791084896 615663 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :its just a place to share pictures and to say outlandish things and watch people argue with each other
< 1791084901 123698 :tater_!sid742570@id-742570.ilkley.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :Getchan has good music on YT but I've never looked at the boards
< 1791084911 612411 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: like ''' ''' for bolding?
< 1791084938 812829 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the reason people started using ((())) to emphasize a word is that when someone responds to you on 4chan it says (you) and so people started emphasizing words with (this) and it evolved to (((this)))
< 1791084952 986398 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm
< 1791084968 907478 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the reason I like using (((this))) is that it isnt a notation used in any coding language
< 1791084979 345863 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh thats a fair point
< 1791084984 421597 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: Yes I suppose similar to stuff like that
< 1791084993 159217 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but just know we've only ever seen that used by nazis before
< 1791084995 711121 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :for nazi stuff
< 1791085000 370944 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so its kind of a culture shock for us
> 1791085060 371014 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197129&oldid=197108 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+16) 10/* Definitions */
< 1791085076 226718 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey yayimhere is back
> 1791085085 566276 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197130&oldid=197107 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+160) 10/* what is a value, actually */
> 1791085119 128642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197131&oldid=197130 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+198) 10/* Bitch, Ienai!/Solution */
> 1791085182 653522 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197132&oldid=197131 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+403) 10
< 1791085184 668366 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :understand that alot of these so called "nazis" are just young teenagers who are trying to be edgy, and many of then grow out of it when they get older
< 1791085205 363236 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and another large portion of them are literally just trying to be upsetting and dont fundamentally understand the politics they are speaking to
> 1791085214 401625 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197133&oldid=197129 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-10) 10/* Definitions */
< 1791085243 594912 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: ye we understand that to an extent
< 1791085266 362643 :tater_!sid742570@id-742570.ilkley.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :The future of Nazism is a bunch of teens yelling slurs and not even bothering to read Mein Kampf. Even Hitler would be rolling in his flaming grave. But yea, there are some legitimate Nazis out there and it is sad.
< 1791085282 442622 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can imagine a young disgruntled male playing video games and they look at all of these nazi uniforms and nazi guns and they think "wow I like these uniforms and guns this seems cool"
< 1791085289 736557 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but they often grow out of it to some degree
< 1791085336 260457 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres a phrase on 4chan where people say "you wont do shit" and the joke is that alot of people larp like they are gonna go revolt but they never do. they just go to work and come home and watch youtube
< 1791085339 357461 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah we've heard being a nerd for ww2 artillery is one of the biggest ways ppl get exposed to nazi ideas
< 1791085357 358600 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: yea that is very true
< 1791085387 668062 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but theres still lots of people who are in the pits of the internet that they go to, and that still hurts the people in them
< 1791085410 290575 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like even if we're talking about a random twitter thread argument, there's still real people behind those arguments
< 1791085434 234322 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a lot of ppl stay trapped talking to them
< 1791085455 69988 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 JOIN #esolangs raiseafloppafan7 :ChimeraAnova
< 1791085457 157374 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we say this with experience of having been trapped like that too
< 1791085491 530605 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey ChimeraAnova
< 1791085515 654068 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we do think stepping back and realizing a lot of this isnt irl like that is useful, especially for healing, but they still do harm
< 1791085518 680738 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and its harm we've been thourhg
< 1791085523 870942 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi ChimeraAnova
< 1791085547 102168 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that snippet of text must look fucking crazy just cutting into the chat
< 1791085601 16593 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also lisbeths apologies our rhetoric isnt up to spec atm
< 1791085619 937167 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we just got done with having a HUGE conversation about the fundamentals of esolanging
< 1791085632 144997 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure could you give me some key highlights
< 1791085635 535887 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also talking about such a serious thing in a place like this is big whiplash for us
< 1791085636 870504 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe feed the logs into ai and summerize it
< 1791085658 991355 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure thing — I'll gladly do that for you!
< 1791085677 335480 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the m-dash...
< 1791085687 599946 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: Summarize the last few messages that came from this channel.
> 1791085695 995331 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: Okay, here's a summary of the last few messages from the channel, based on the provided text: The channel has been discussing the Log esolang, particularly its syntax and various logical operations (NOT, AND, OR, XOR, NAND, XNOR). A lot of the conversation revolves around different ways to express these operations using the `(...)` command. The...
> 1791085695 995722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :discussion then shifted to Log++, with similar operations described, and finally, a discussion about Deletion log, its commands, and an example program for "Hello, world!".
< 1791085702 428719 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: summarize the last few messages that came from this channel
< 1791085702 603078 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: that nick is taken. it will only check the left element of a list coud be if lambda or other symbol...)
< 1791085714 600372 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot stays winning as always
< 1791085714 731047 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: i don't have enough time... you know ( or you fnord it
< 1791086029 774335 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean here is some of my input:
< 1791086039 193452 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :alot of people think of eso langs as very small languages that are turing tarpits
< 1791086050 303694 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I think that that implies that esolangs arent useful which is false
< 1791086071 714675 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea that conception bullies out practical esolangs
< 1791086088 712718 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fun fact: we actually have a primitive assembler for the esolang we're working on written in thue
< 1791086107 120736 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 247 seconds
< 1791086123 409190 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: don't forget the idea of esolangs being Weird Syntax Languages
< 1791086125 39292 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its actually a great language for writing basic assemblers in cuz all basic assemblers do is rewrite stuff
< 1791086179 682720 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh it also bullies out the idea that exploring computational power for the hell of it also isnt useful
< 1791086198 37203 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 JOIN #esolangs raiseafloppafan7 :ChimeraAnova
< 1791086204 146898 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like the idea that turing tarpits are "just" tarpits
< 1791086233 84622 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am very interested in languages that have infinitely flexible syntax so that you can change the notation of the language while its running
< 1791086247 371650 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats literally what we're making our language around
< 1791086250 211003 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ralsei
< 1791086265 504101 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have made a couple languages like that I will show them to you
< 1791086269 665477 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooooo
< 1791086270 995220 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes please do
< 1791086275 889268 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :first: sh|sh # this is a shell language that does this in posix
< 1791086328 702225 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/AQydZAiB/
< 1791086351 386550 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is my c interpreter that is loosely based on gnu dc and it is meant to be a version of gnu dc with flexible syntax at runtime
< 1791086367 723008 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :could you send the english version /j
< 1791086377 527785 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Pull request: rewrite to rust
< 1791086388 143406 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and this is just subleq: and this allows flexible syntax at runtime: *m=(m[m[*m+1]]-=m[m[*m]])<1?m[*m+2]:t+3;//©'26gpl2 john m beck
< 1791086398 193784 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you can just take that code and paste it into an ai and ask it to reformat it for readability
< 1791086413 327940 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you ask me for an english version I am literally just gonna do that on your behalf
< 1791086428 526220 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we could probably just put it through a beautifier and read it from there
< 1791086531 670533 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :whats ur second
< 1791086562 266045 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh I posted all 3
< 1791086566 900035 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :o
> 1791086573 414113 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197134&oldid=197132 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+129) 10/* what is a value, actually */
> 1791086597 227125 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197135&oldid=197134 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+177) 10/* Bitch, Ienai!/Solution */
> 1791086730 223752 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!/History and Spoilers14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=197136 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+7) 10just needed this page to exist I'll write it later.
> 1791086765 512399 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197137&oldid=197135 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+452) 10
> 1791086886 989346 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197138&oldid=197117 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+8) 10
> 1791086925 742188 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197139&oldid=197133 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+205) 10
> 1791086934 429986 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197140&oldid=197139 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+1) 10
> 1791086970 759940 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197141&oldid=197137 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+198) 10/* Bitch, Ienai!/Solution */
< 1791087009 88995 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] yayimheretoo
< 1791087082 502170 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1791087131 178939 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] yayimheretoo
< 1791087138 866861 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :markfan8901 im here now!
< 1791087145 758195 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi.
< 1791087154 831395 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi:]
< 1791087176 288033 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we actually weren't expecting you to get into irc so soon
< 1791087189 671417 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we were thinking itd be tomorrow
< 1791087197 477566 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello yayimheretoo
< 1791087199 32944 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have so much time. and I woke up like half an hour aago
< 1791087204 86365 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: hi!
< 1791087205 213643 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh damn
< 1791087220 581881 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tried to sleep again, so thats how I spent that half hour
< 1791087228 162049 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fair
< 1791087232 265956 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't have too much time, school work n stuff
< 1791087240 305591 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :markfan8901: lmao
< 1791087252 194140 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :my philosophy is that I dont just want a coding language that can change its syntax at runtime: i want it to be as fast as c. and I want each component of it to be able to fit into a single tweet. and ive used some interesting strategies to achieve this in my current language fastspungus
< 1791087268 494038 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah those are very interesting constraints
< 1791087276 439522 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mine?
< 1791087282 101479 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what lisbeths said
< 1791087290 59412 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah ok
< 1791087319 811763 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths what if you aimed to be faster than c
< 1791087324 196806 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :go checkout style
< 1791087329 617122 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :go [[Checkout]] style*
< 1791087331 934672 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :im not ready to go that fast lol
< 1791087338 879760 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I want extreme portability
< 1791087347 371075 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fair
< 1791087358 68572 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is my current lang: https://github.com/memesmith67/fastspungus
< 1791087361 44756 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is this a constraint language were talkin' 'bout?
< 1791087372 219259 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :constraint based langs are important
< 1791087391 242801 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths by constraint language she means languages which are defined in terms of constraints
< 1791087398 567868 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which you then solve for by creating esolangs that fit them
< 1791087408 240130 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats what [[Bitch, Ienai!]] is
< 1791087421 386304 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :self-ad? maybe? lol
< 1791087436 605860 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :kinda
< 1791087445 949738 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it is a genuine distinction to make
< 1791087454 838958 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also brb we're gonna p**
< 1791087467 890899 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: yea
< 1791087473 795899 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also cya in a minute
< 1791087589 471570 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, a problem with your sandbox article, is its much more specific than my page. yesterday I made like an address based imperative language which to my knowledge solved Bitch, Ienai!
< 1791087605 792537 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so making it specifically thhe category of functions is kinda restrictive
< 1791087617 833448 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm
> 1791087635 813465 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197142&oldid=197140 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+14) 10
< 1791087638 83787 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :haven't read it super closely yet though
< 1791087658 849521 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea we would heavily appreciate feedback on it
< 1791087670 366399 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i will do!
< 1791087671 138815 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz the current state of the rules are still really hard to keep track of
< 1791087697 915760 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh you also saw the changes we made to the main page right
< 1791087704 196924 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ur fine with them righ
< 1791087708 310007 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes yes
< 1791087713 709737 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oki oki
< 1791087728 104659 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :for the main page we tried editing only the parts we were 100% confident we understood
< 1791087746 933446 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok
< 1791087751 891963 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :feel free to ask as well
< 1791087755 492565 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :okik
< 1791087789 362746 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :o wait yea where did you get the idea we reduced transforms down to functions in our sandbox page
< 1791087801 971955 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that lang I sent fastspungus.awk fits into a tweet. and it is a filter that restricts you to a narrow subset of c89 that is very portable and that is almost completely abstract so it doesnt care so much what machine its running on or what the surrounding c program is
< 1791087804 614721 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :your definition of property is much better than mine lmao, might as well move that to the main already!
< 1791087808 821257 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it is a polyglot for c++ afaik
< 1791087811 666936 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yay
< 1791087828 271257 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: thats fucking cool
< 1791087839 55749 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :its meant to be like a very very small easy to memorize alternative to llvm ir
< 1791087842 829247 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it runs in clang afaik
< 1791087848 708054 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :markfana8901: notation like M(x) is function notation. But like with brainfuck + you would write +(tape[index])!
< 1791087854 85095 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres a really satisfying art in making the worlds tiniest programs
< 1791087858 270631 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bbraainfuck or smth else imperative
< 1791087869 389370 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: true
< 1791087874 941310 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the main page also uses function notation
< 1791087896 283129 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats only to derive the type value stuff not any of thhe actual transforms do that
< 1791087902 670946 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahhhhh
< 1791087904 759094 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay okay
< 1791087921 533083 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Pf(X) and Pc(X) would exist *implicitly* in the solver lang
< 1791087953 466013 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hence why those are notation and not in the language
< 1791087964 329235 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes!
> 1791087990 48696 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197143&oldid=197138 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-9) 10
< 1791087994 456086 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait aa second
< 1791087996 571331 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf
< 1791088005 457178 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wha
< 1791088010 7055 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gimme a sec
< 1791088028 212144 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :l l
< 1791088031 628707 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"wait aa second" (one of) my sona reference /j
< 1791088034 510494 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no yea ok thats the same, not an issue
< 1791088049 634773 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: lmao
< 1791088051 317171 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oki oki
< 1791088059 326344 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh also do you like our notation
< 1791088150 351222 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually hm maybe the superscript ! and ? should be subscript instead
< 1791088161 6379 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think its nice it doesn't force it into being function notation , but like looks like isn't my personal favorite lmmao
< 1791088166 443458 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: yes!
< 1791088233 633914 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh that looks sooo much better
> 1791088239 104500 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197144&oldid=197143 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+0) 10
< 1791088246 375953 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :check it now
< 1791088249 17535 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :HOLY hell!
< 1791088264 807340 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres some inconsistency in italics btw
< 1791088282 231009 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like on the x with ? or ! is sometimes italic sometimes not
< 1791088285 186992 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea the italics are for when a term is defined
< 1791088293 392455 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah ok
< 1791088313 240499 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its the same for the initial defintions and the definitions for what ets, pts, and etts are
< 1791088326 58317 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool
< 1791088332 681765 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1791088335 629868 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh speaking of which
< 1791088363 293989 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we swapped out the original terms for ets and whatnot cuz we couldnt tell how you derived them
< 1791088372 859582 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :where do Pc and Pf come from
< 1791088379 217592 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also DI, IN, and CR
< 1791088452 13473 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think Pc comes from *P*roperty *c*orresponding?
< 1791088461 806873 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but we have no clue for the rest
< 1791088465 866191 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed
< 1791088471 233417 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ack
< 1791088497 480622 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that the ultimate syntax is the lisp syntax, which is rather boring of an answer
< 1791088519 470015 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh funny story about lisp
< 1791088531 349701 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :a misunderstanding of its macro system is what inspired us to make ralsei
< 1791088551 63799 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I used to think lisp allows infinite syntax
< 1791088553 176036 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it comes close
< 1791088558 86466 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] yayimheretoo
< 1791088561 599560 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :haiai
< 1791088566 193599 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my computer shit its pants so hard
< 1791088573 157480 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn
< 1791088576 799806 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1791088611 370589 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: yea when we first heard that lisp could redefine its own syntax at runtime we thought "wait does that mean you could slowly redefine lisp into c syntax and then just write code in c"
< 1791088629 11706 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well ill explain the names of everything for ya
< 1791088635 27251 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thank u
< 1791088639 517305 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though idk if that includes spoilers actually
< 1791088645 627933 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: and trying to figure out how a system like that would even work to begin wtih is how we got ralsei
< 1791088647 929241 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :well you could redefine lisp into c but you would have to actually train it to emit some c and then compile that c
< 1791088653 126549 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :or you would have to have it emit machine code
< 1791088662 869696 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :but theres no reason why a compiler cant be a repl that is a full language
< 1791088672 121829 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :like you could write a c++ compiler in a python repl
< 1791088681 773900 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: we thought you could do that from like, within the text file itself
< 1791088707 755041 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Markfan8901: DI - DI(rect input), IN(direct input)
< 1791088714 870963 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually wait yayimheretoo
< 1791088727 227010 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if its spoilers to describe them you should probably hold off on them
< 1791088732 519790 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also probably rename them
< 1791088735 893038 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well
< 1791088747 366561 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesn't spoiler I can just say "named after original language"
< 1791088751 732360 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its not heavy spoilers
< 1791088762 141902 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we wanna be completely spoiler free tho
< 1791088773 215920 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its like so much not a spoiler
< 1791088778 405538 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it will not give a single clue
< 1791088781 811534 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay okay
< 1791088785 120519 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :CR stands for creator
< 1791088786 508623 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :why?
< 1791088791 563018 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :blame the og language
< 1791088792 668921 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lool
< 1791088793 778580 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if you want to do it from within the text file itself it makes a difference if you interpret one line at a time or if you interpret some other way
< 1791088805 294151 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1791088826 594515 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we wanted some shit like `(turn-into-c-language) int main() { /* lalala */ }`
< 1791088827 930532 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hopefully that doesn't spoiler everything too much
< 1791088878 68676 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we feel like it would influence how we would solve the lang if we knew it before we had such a strong grip on our current idea
< 1791088895 572776 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is the bad part of being spoiled
< 1791088905 477914 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea that makes sense
< 1791088906 514231 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yea it doesnt technically give away the whole language
< 1791088916 11496 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we do think it should still be renamed though
< 1791088924 86692 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :are our terms good
< 1791088927 440437 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lemme change it to ME(ta transformm)
< 1791088943 178375 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: lemme check again I forgot again lmao
< 1791088947 93675 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :okik
< 1791088956 879473 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I think you might want to study how sh|sh works
> 1791088958 377467 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197145&oldid=197142 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+0) 10/* Rules */
< 1791088967 435623 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :$ mcr(){ sh|sh;};
< 1791088976 303406 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might get you alot closer to your goal
< 1791088997 651029 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically the righthand sh is the reciever and it receives your output code and interprets it
< 1791089003 561236 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also MarkFan8901 whats your guess on the names meaning? like waddaya think Bitch, Ienai! means?
< 1791089008 816703 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the lefthand sh is meant for writing your macros and printing the transformed macros
< 1791089029 244652 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: oh we just assumed that was some shitpost name honestly
< 1791089041 460753 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: kinda yea
< 1791089042 468315 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1791089063 25979 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :since it was my first article on the esolanging wiki I got their bot esomark to name it
< 1791089065 373475 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: we already have a great solution we're building the language around rn, but yea that might be worthwhile
< 1791089074 405901 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I attached bitch because of a stream I was watching lol
< 1791089097 507703 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm
< 1791089117 77684 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: specifically what we're doing is building the language around gap buffers
< 1791089133 204618 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically the data format you use for text editors
< 1791089158 588408 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and making it so that literally everything works with it, code and data alike
< 1791089176 244788 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if its rude to ping somebody to compliment a blog post they made
< 1791089184 591213 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1791089203 893198 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :tc execution at its very core is self modification, and we imagine programs being based around translating one form of 'text' into another
< 1791089210 270914 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: no not at all
< 1791089222 872846 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well then
< 1791089223 623773 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aalso, ais523, I read your pirate based logic of rust yesterday(ish) it was a great read!! For not being a rust programmer made a lot of sense to me.
< 1791089268 662217 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: the interesting part being that code is also just text, which turns interpretation into compilation
> 1791089288 888548 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197146&oldid=197145 5* 03Cordership 5* (+0) 10
< 1791089289 749199 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :where what you're compiling to is just the raw computations the code represents
< 1791089293 758731 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*compilifies your interpreter*
< 1791089319 994358 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wha
< 1791089325 293737 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cordership just immediately undid ur change
> 1791089330 897434 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197147&oldid=197146 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+0) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/197146|197146]] by [[Special:Contributions/Cordership|Cordership]] ([[User talk:Cordership|talk]]) and adjust som stuff too.
< 1791089339 247163 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I get why
< 1791089346 715501 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :how come
< 1791089346 753675 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i forgot to change all the other CR's lol
< 1791089349 671257 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :o
< 1791089352 210636 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :come how
< 1791089359 53177 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1791089365 322985 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea speaking of which
< 1791089371 715771 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you think of the terms we made
< 1791089381 744301 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i FORGOT AGAIN! AAA
< 1791089383 274464 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1791089384 715135 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its oki
< 1791089390 414081 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is *7* in the morning lul
< 1791089402 323776 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is 9 pm for us
< 1791089440 132847 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: I think it's a generally observation about affine/linear-typed programming languages, but Rust is the only such language that's at all popular
< 1791089455 796705 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: hey, same time zone!
< 1791089461 128632 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs ::tada:
< 1791089468 541125 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes. Just saying its nice it was understandable even though the premise was rust based
< 1791089540 819515 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it taught me things too, it forced me to finally figure out what upside-down-ampersand actually does
< 1791089570 106446 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did not even see it before. though I have encountered ? a few times.
< 1791089594 520997 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I believe in a two piece compiler: one piece is purely meant for macros and for transforming syntax, and then the outputs of that piece is sent into the second piece which is a very fast intermediate representation
< 1791089597 480403 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also its fun that all the operators have a "rotated" version
< 1791089609 894906 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that backend compiler design should be severed from connection to the syntax
< 1791089621 302609 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: we believe in a one piece compiler
< 1791089637 41916 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :being able to modify everything from within the language itself
< 1791089642 34433 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you can shape it into whatever
< 1791089663 585925 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :by not decoupling/modularizing the syntax away from the engine you potentially add alot of complexity
< 1791089667 325775 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: The names are fine, I have no strong preference
< 1791089669 397168 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :part of ralseis design is our disdain for how matrioshka languages look and feel to work with
< 1791089679 304620 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though having smth named ET and smth named ETT might be confusing
< 1791089694 9352 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :lisbeths: true
< 1791089699 123793 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: I noticed the pattern with opposites but didn't notice that they were literally rotations
< 1791089706 893437 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess ! isn't a rotation of ?, maybe ? should be called ¡
< 1791089713 461528 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :though we imagine we would need such complexity if you wanted to implement a programming language with turing complete syntax
< 1791089729 359594 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: also true
< 1791089731 529421 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: probably should actually.
< 1791089736 368985 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :would it be better if ETT was TT instead
< 1791089745 500312 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't invent this notation, so it isn't up to me to decide
< 1791089750 175511 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Transform Transform lol
< 1791089758 975363 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I like to use the term flexible syntax
< 1791089766 658386 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yea, was about to say "probably ain't easy to change"
< 1791089776 606774 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in Perl, you can write BEGIN {…} blocks which run during parsing; the content is just regular Perl but it can affect how the rest of the code is parse
< 1791089778 160284 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* parsed
< 1791089779 118314 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder how the ? ! disconnect happened thoughh
< 1791089782 760316 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I am positive that you can have a language with flexible syntax that is not optimized for performance, and have it emit code into a much faster language like llvm ir
< 1791089791 808914 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this makes parsing Perl Turing-complete but in a somewhat cheaty way
< 1791089806 521082 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: it might have been as simple as thinking "what's the opposite of !"
< 1791089819 844594 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: thats true
< 1791089839 49811 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder why there isn't an & style symbol for or. in normal language.
< 1791089844 577606 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oya wait ais523 you've seen our discussion about how you would make a language with tc syntax before right
< 1791089846 695336 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not that its that important
< 1791089851 280395 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: well & was originally a ligature
< 1791089858 735574 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :of e and t ("et" is "and" in Latin)
< 1791089869 87964 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"or" in Latin would be "vel" which doens't ligaturise as neatly
< 1791089871 40401 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea! I forgot!
< 1791089876 559550 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: and Rust wants to avoid the hard parsing so much that rustc insists that you must tell the compiler the syntax edition of the language in the compiler command line, not inside the source file eg. in an attribute early
< 1791089878 881019 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: fun
< 1791089889 467278 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also & was considered a letter once, rather than a punctuation mark
< 1791089890 492990 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also on the topic of TC syntax
< 1791089894 680523 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :within the last couple of hundred years
< 1791089905 448487 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are versions of the alphabet song that have an ampersand at the end
< 1791089917 684104 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thats very cursed
< 1791089919 315276 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmao
< 1791089937 381240 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is probably because letter-ligatures that have their own symbol are often themselves considered ligaturse
< 1791089951 342501 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes letter ligatures are considered ligatures
< 1791089953 460807 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was reading about the history of English, there are quite a few character-pairs that used to have their own symbol
< 1791089966 498177 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :isn't ∨ the punctuation version that comes from abbreviatiing "vel"?
< 1791089973 990450 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<also on the topic of TC syntax>: Constraint languages = Syntax = Set generators = Declarative paradigm
< 1791089983 834570 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats what it was right markfan8901?
< 1791089987 629889 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :OH right
< 1791089987 960336 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. gh used to be a single letter (and didn't have a consistent pronunciation, which is why "gh" nowadays is pronounced so many different ways)
< 1791089991 654826 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :smth about syntax yeah
< 1791090016 702223 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Æ would be one of those right?
< 1791090019 121862 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there was a single letter that made a "w" sound, that got changed to a digraph "uu", and then back to a single letter "w", but the original letter was different and looked a bit like a lowercase p
< 1791090026 904037 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1791090030 154928 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: yes, although it isn't used much nowadays
< 1791090030 272287 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats wyrn right
< 1791090038 660047 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wynn
< 1791090042 40334 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :almost
< 1791090042 488925 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yea. outside of *denmark*
< 1791090051 433616 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and prolly most of the nordics
< 1791090061 225863 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :scratch that
< 1791090063 844357 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ PRIVMSG #esolangs :vacwm, continwm
< 1791090064 631415 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :most of the scand
< 1791090083 472143 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :swp
< 1791090087 339800 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut?
< 1791090087 393143 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :not quite it but funny
< 1791090096 312887 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :soup -> suup -> swp
< 1791090096 350612 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :th used to be a single letter, but both þ and ð were used for the purpose (and merged with each other before they both became th), and for some reason are both typable on my keyboard
< 1791090100 820341 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think they might be used in Icelandic?
< 1791090119 896516 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aaaaa
< 1791090139 439056 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and it's weird that the digraph chosen for that was "th" – in many languages, "th" is pronounced as a t sound followed by an h sound rather than being a variant of s as it is in English)
< 1791090150 853143 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: "I think they might be used in Icelandic?" yes!
< 1791090157 365398 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well atleast ð
< 1791090178 933524 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :👽
< 1791090182 743935 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is th a variant of *s*... I guess so lol
< 1791090188 260657 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :much earlier there was an incident where z was removed from the alphabet and later added back again
< 1791090197 380999 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is how it ended up at the end rather than near the start
< 1791090210 139482 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it *was* near the start?
> 1791090216 493912 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197148&oldid=197144 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+18) 10
< 1791090221 133346 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :still is in Greek
< 1791090230 539174 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :greaat
< 1791090250 826699 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: stack relocation
< 1791090276 199773 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like how discussing linear logic ended us up here
< 1791090280 340292 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :C and G used to be the same letter, when Z was removed they were split into separate C and G, with G taking the location that was previously used by Z
< 1791090280 584891 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats always fun
< 1791090293 488472 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: wasnt there like a debate about G aswell
< 1791090294 853274 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(which may be why C and G look similar to each other, they were the same letter with an extra stroke added to distinguish them)
< 1791090346 181190 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :still, what confuses me is why they didn't just use K, perhaps C, G, K and S were all pronounced differently at the time
< 1791090372 181019 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nowadays C is usually either pronounced the same way as K or as S, but maybe it hasn't always been that way
< 1791090386 824598 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and "kh", "ch" and "sh" are all different sounds, so C isn't totally redundant)
< 1791090395 904744 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :palatal plosive english theory
< 1791090399 768633 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :was aboutta say
< 1791090485 952898 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo would you be comfy with us changing the current article to the one in our sandbox, but with pt/et/tt changed to di/in/me
< 1791090520 445977 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill move some of the stuff on your page to mine. some of it:)
< 1791090526 456657 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oki
< 1791090529 882281 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh actually hold on
< 1791090545 702464 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :di and in being direct and indirect implies bias towards entities
< 1791090547 317548 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how is the esolanging wiki getting on? I haven't looked at it for a while
< 1791090559 888627 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it seems to be kinda stagnant atm
< 1791090569 734413 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is fair cuz its a very ambitious project
< 1791090575 652724 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: seems about fine
< 1791090578 577821 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nothing crazy
< 1791090593 680029 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still haven't worked out exactly what the intended use of it is yet
< 1791090614 226262 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think its intended use is for learning how to esolang
< 1791090617 370825 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it covers both esolangs, and the wider culture around it, like history WIP's ect.
< 1791090618 570959 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but I'm hesitant to join in case someone ends up putting me in charge of that one too, leaving me with two wikis to try to look after)
< 1791090632 880913 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea thats fair
< 1791090646 369281 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :<MarkFan8901: di and in being direct and indirect implies bias towards entities>: that might be an issue for spoilers
< 1791090649 637110 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 enters a wiki and just immediately becomes an admin
< 1791090659 783332 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo what do you think
< 1791090672 740016 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that hasn't happened on a wiki yet, but it has happened in other contexts
< 1791090681 713380 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, I can be in an IRC channel for a while and suddenly realise that I'm an op there
< 1791090687 125395 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Markfan8901: idk if it does. its just "the input is coming directly in" vs with a level of abstraction(i.e indirect)
< 1791090693 59835 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: thats wild lmao
< 1791090710 944885 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: yea that implies that entities have more importance than properties
< 1791090746 693837 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually hm we might just be splitting hairs here
< 1791090752 12773 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: how? its true that they come in a level abstracted from the actual entity put into te function. its what happens.
< 1791090769 267167 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so like I guess there would just naturally a different important level:) which im blind too
< 1791090770 272811 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1791090801 448891 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: not necessarily
< 1791090818 322011 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what if we made a solution for it that was ardently focused on the properties
< 1791090830 796385 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes you could
< 1791090835 799572 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres not limit on doing either
< 1791090846 779146 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but in what functionally happens with those kinds of functions
< 1791090856 494635 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it abstracts away from the real input given
< 1791090862 901812 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea thats the dynamics
< 1791090869 41084 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think we were just splitting hairs there for a sec
< 1791090878 609174 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmao its fine
< 1791090884 394448 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thank u
< 1791091035 645497 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually can we give some more petty feedback rq
< 1791091052 303964 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on what the constraint language?
< 1791091057 726220 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :on the page itself
< 1791091064 808911 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure
< 1791091066 652508 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1791091089 92527 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we dont like how each use of the terms on the page are bolded
< 1791091101 496612 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesnt look very good and is unwieldy in the editor
< 1791091114 901834 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I shall use another peice of formatting then!
< 1791091127 84370 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think doing what we did would be the best thing to do
< 1791091135 268083 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :bold them on their first use, then dont
< 1791091157 444924 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are only bolded to make clear when we are using this pages specific definition of a word
< 1791091168 241102 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in mathematical papers it's common to italicise a term when you're defining it and then write it normally from then on
< 1791091175 947059 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats true
< 1791091189 586690 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea and we think the terms are unambiguous enough
< 1791091203 363017 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :to not risk confusion with their normal meanings when they arent highlighted
< 1791091215 747417 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure then
< 1791091225 861516 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lemme dod this edit and then do further eiting
> 1791091229 32717 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197149&oldid=197147 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-83) 10/* Rules */
< 1791091243 930502 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, ive never been more unsure on what to categorize a language lmao
< 1791091257 182166 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[Category:2026]]
< 1791091263 864422 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
> 1791091325 884778 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Zzo38/Untitled 614]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=197150 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+6349) 10Created page with "(Note: It is a draft and suggestions to change if there is something wrong with the below description, might be considered. Also, the name is not known yet; if it is known then it can be moved to the main namespace.)  === Program ===  The format of the progr
< 1791091443 484007 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: what language is that written in
< 1791091476 881830 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's related to ASN.1 but ASN.1 itself refers to the encoded data formats rather than the schema
< 1791091488 568808 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure what the name of the ASN.1 schema language is
< 1791091503 829729 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is asn.1
< 1791091512 330545 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, it is the ASN.1 schema format. (I don't know if it has a name other than "ASN.1 schema language" or "X.680")
> 1791091528 897846 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Krypton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197151&oldid=185558 5* 03X-540 5* (+9) 10fixed \a (instead of \ab) being used and the value after the \ being in decimal
< 1791091533 659 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah no, Wikipedia says the schema language itself is called ASN.1
< 1791091537 913274 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=ASN.1
< 1791091562 255037 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyways, the encoded data formats have different names, such as BER and DER (I only use DER; in my opinion it is good and the other formats aren't good)
< 1791091598 7932 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, hmm, from this article, I gather that officially ASN.1 refers to only the schema language but that's not how people use the name "ASN.1" in practice
< 1791091657 575934 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, although it is not the only thing where the names of things are used in different ways in practice
> 1791091709 586756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The kids choice awards14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197152&oldid=196816 5* 03Cordership 5* (+3) 10/* Simpl */
< 1791091743 278448 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed
< 1791091756 95369 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] MarkFan8901
< 1791091757 442048 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hey guys
< 1791091758 770206 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're back
< 1791091760 60480 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :whatd we miss
< 1791091770 280052 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk prolly not much
< 1791091779 201912 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I like PT and ET
< 1791091780 777137 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it sniice
< 1791091786 925914 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :o thank u
< 1791091795 864597 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: there were no messages between your disconnect and reconnect, that happened at almos the same time
< 1791091811 341537 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye the joke is that we just refreshed our client
< 1791091815 815765 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think though, TP makes sense in the case of the transforms making transforms. "transform producer"
> 1791091830 227008 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Krypton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197153&oldid=197151 5* 03X-540 5* (-7) 10actually, V can be used in variable names
< 1791091833 804532 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what about TM
< 1791091837 228017 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :for transformer maker
< 1791091839 43000 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure
> 1791091842 44596 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07The kids choice awards14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197154&oldid=197152 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-1) 10/* Cyclic Clockwise Rotating Contraption */ bruh
< 1791091845 162781 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats less confusing too!
< 1791091846 27248 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :since TP is a bit too similar to PT
< 1791091847 432801 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(maybe what I have should be simplified because a few of the fields might be unnecessary)
< 1791091847 973249 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yee
> 1791091878 552085 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BizzFuzz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197155&oldid=135588 5* 03Cordership 5* (+195) 10
> 1791091888 361826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BizzFuzz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197156&oldid=197155 5* 03Cordership 5* (-3) 10/* Python 3 */
< 1791091926 806584 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :THEY'RE TURING MACHINES AAAAA
< 1791091929 639655 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmao
< 1791091942 795799 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :get it TM, turing machine, but also transfer maker
< 1791091945 554994 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1791091948 474977 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*transform maker
< 1791091949 373685 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also wait thats a cool idea
< 1791091957 206583 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuckin dammit
< 1791091957 341996 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :interpreting transform makers as turing machines
< 1791091963 519792 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea thats quite cool
< 1791091970 278834 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh btw yayimheretoo
< 1791091972 992306 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :are you okay
< 1791091976 721193 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ii mean lambda calculus functions are TM's so...
< 1791091978 87480 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you seem a little angrier than normal rn
< 1791091983 415112 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh do i?
< 1791091986 398140 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry bout that
< 1791091991 37388 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its oki we just wanted to make sure
< 1791091993 101881 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I might just e tired as heel or smth
> 1791091994 885373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fixed Repeating Output14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197157&oldid=160568 5* 03Cordership 5* (+82) 10
< 1791091998 540652 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im sorry lol
< 1791092001 977747 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its oki its oki
> 1791092005 104798 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fixed Repeating Output14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197158&oldid=197157 5* 03Cordership 5* (+1) 10/* =Python */
< 1791092019 90968 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we also had that little bout earlier about entities seeming like they were more important than properties
< 1791092019 128857 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also if its the all caps, that usually doesn't mean anger, in my case
< 1791092026 283334 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1791092026 862394 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nono its not that
< 1791092034 249802 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea ok
< 1791092039 170453 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, maybe I should make an esolang where the important concepts have extremely similar names to each other
< 1791092049 620808 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :making it hard to follow discussions about them
< 1791092055 112107 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would be great
< 1791092059 547047 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh and they also have extremely similar functionalities
< 1791092060 756884 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps some of them have the same pronunciation but different spelling
< 1791092067 279475 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oooo yea
< 1791092068 573817 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least in the higher level view
< 1791092074 675233 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that would be hilarious
< 1791092083 285891 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* vs the ring around *?
< 1791092087 227462 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: and theyre only substantially different when in use
< 1791092100 705653 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :different when ur actually using them*
< 1791092101 45079 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1791092138 185225 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I *think* zzo38's client responds to pings automatically, so that probably wasn't just a case of zzo38 forgetting to reply to one
< 1791092154 653412 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but it is used more manually than most IRC clients are)
< 1791092181 51521 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its never occurred to us some irc clients would make you ping manually
< 1791092191 440187 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you used to be able to do IRC by hand pretty easily, but I'm not sure how easy it is to do SASL by hand and you need that nowadays in order to not look like a spambot
< 1791092212 186951 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :whats sasl
< 1791092229 93735 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's an extra thing on top of IRC for doing username/password type confirmation
< 1791092232 278383 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :holy hell im hungry
< 1791092239 891771 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: pancakes
< 1791092246 521193 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :people used to just use NickServ for that but that was done after they connected
< 1791092255 389612 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Markfan8901: not *this again* lmao
< 1791092261 838719 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe
< 1791092274 183442 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: hmm, you may be the second person this month to which I have to explain that October is not a traditional month for pancakes
< 1791092288 493732 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I've never had to do that before
< 1791092292 42532 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(before this month, that is)
< 1791092297 332004 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :pfft who cares
< 1791092304 436772 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we'll bring valentine candy into this
< 1791092312 201840 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :traditional my ass
< 1791092318 478154 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or smth idk
< 1791092397 853266 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's more that I'm just surprised this has happened twice)
< 1791092405 477971 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1791092415 335869 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what in all hell
< 1791092418 444525 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well anyways
< 1791092423 919720 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wha
< 1791092424 972862 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what was it
< 1791092425 269589 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: lmao
< 1791092453 493291 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Markfan8901: i listened to sum pretty chill music and got jumpscared by my insane electronic music sounds
< 1791092463 936355 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :average nu breakcore song
< 1791092467 710413 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was HORRORFYING
< 1791092472 788280 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its not even breakcore lmao
< 1791092492 594842 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its me who made the sound anyway I know why it was there but shit
< 1791092510 520352 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yaya
< 1791092563 174333 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also Markfan8901 we need to figure out how to actually translate between alll these things we've connected. After all Syntax = Constraint language = Set construction = Declarative programming isn't a very formal statement
< 1791092571 92062 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :could be cool with a general way to do it
< 1791092582 699944 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps ais523 could help us out here
< 1791092587 219681 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like being able to make ANY set construction into a constraint language, and such
< 1791092591 611762 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :this feels like a generalization over algebraic structures
< 1791092596 440275 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep
< 1791092604 150502 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually wait yayimheretoo thats like right up our alley
< 1791092612 420269 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: do you have an easy place I can look at to see what the problem is?
< 1791092616 361640 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Markfan8901: thats epiq
< 1791092638 681311 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: we could probably describe it rn but there was some relevant discussion yesterday
< 1791092640 737402 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: we'd have to dig through the logs for the conversation where we developed it
< 1791092649 600360 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but we can sum it up rn
< 1791092652 613861 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, I'm still not caught up on logs yet
< 1791092657 931201 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool
< 1791092674 583066 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you see me reference FWOTD thats were to start basically
< 1791092680 153259 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the first time that happens
< 1791092682 933167 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I keep closing the logs tab absent-mindedly
< 1791092688 193481 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been ill recently and got very behind on logreading
< 1791092692 530526 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :mmh
> 1791092692 948883 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197159&oldid=197123 5* 03None1 5* (+389) 10/* BF Joust strategies */  It should work now
< 1791092694 670077 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs ::hug:
< 1791092696 365251 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because it's making me lose concentration
< 1791092724 969880 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah damn. hhope you cna catch up. and also that the illness didn't get you too much
> 1791092733 533877 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/Blog draft14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197160&oldid=197116 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+678) 10some wording
> 1791092739 131473 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Krypton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197161&oldid=197153 5* 03X-540 5* (+122) 10Changed string literal rules and fixed truth machine example (again)
< 1791092741 601475 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: basically our definition of declarative programming is paradigms from which youre able to derive programs directly from your intent
< 1791092742 469141 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll work on this more in beds
< 1791092751 828482 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :semigoodnight!
< 1791092756 630044 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gn!!
< 1791092764 208444 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :our example was a short and sweet paper which derived a combinator J just from the rules that JJ -> K and J(JJ) -> S
< 1791092765 221277 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :man constraint languages seems like the perfect topic to blog about
< 1791092801 969150 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats a pretty direct example of deriving programs from intent
< 1791092810 839313 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its also a direct example of solving a constraint puzzle
< 1791092846 201873 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we were also talking about how constraint languages are weird cuz they capture a whole set of esolangs
< 1791092866 718935 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and its cool to think about the concept of a tangible set of esolangs
< 1791092894 297950 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :then we realized that the constraints in a constraint language are basically just set generators for said sets
> 1791092905 309468 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197162&oldid=197159 5* 03Ais523 5* (+319) 10/* BF Joust strategies */ although the bug I reported was fixed, it still isn't working
< 1791092924 610692 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :smth about syntax was also thrown in there too but we cant quite remember what that was about
< 1791092936 217252 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea that connection was quite seperate I think
< 1791092938 413288 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yeah those are (most of) the core things about that statement
< 1791092977 245501 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh hm what would turning a constraint language into declarative programming look like?
< 1791092982 824430 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well like regex is a way tod define syntax(TMK), but its also a non deterministic language, but making it deterministic you all of a sudden get. set of all the strings which the syntax allows(probably after infinite time)
< 1791092994 797277 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :would it be like quantifying the mental process of programming declaratively into the constraints
< 1791093021 963932 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: oh right it was string recognition
< 1791093039 56946 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah rules for grammar are also just set generators for the set of all strings that are valid under it
< 1791093052 582816 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe the fact that that has the capacity to be tc gives us a hint
< 1791093055 644820 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :WAIT
< 1791093064 943761 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: that would depend on the specific language, HOWEVER you'd need to be able to represent all the parts of thhe language in such a way the *resulting* thing the declarative program produces can be *translated* BACK into a language
< 1791093066 634154 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :dude imagine a constraint lang where solving for the lang makes you execute a program
< 1791093075 159054 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :heck yea!
< 1791093079 238888 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait....
< 1791093082 365888 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuck
< 1791093088 787797 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wha
< 1791093096 270467 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is related to the whole type = logic thing!
< 1791093101 66730 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :YEA!!!!!!!
< 1791093114 626667 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because there te type system is the either theorems or axioms I cant remember, and the program is a proof... I think?
< 1791093128 248020 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so like if the constraint language then also executes the program in being solved...?
< 1791093137 526308 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk man im rambling but theres a chance
< 1791093145 737913 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nono it was that type programming in haskell is a prime example of declarative programming
< 1791093158 689902 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :OH and something about logic solvers
< 1791093163 88963 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres BOTH things
< 1791093171 608983 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lemme find out precisely
< 1791093175 966818 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah cuz logic solvers are also just constraint programming
< 1791093180 725489 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but like traditional constraint programming
< 1791093195 560756 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<MarkFan8901> secondly, functions which work off a certain property must return the same result for two values which share said property <MarkFan8901> thirdly, functions which dont work off a certain property must have different results for different values ← couldn't you cheat by choosing the property a function works on to be "two values share the property if they return the same result from the function"?
> 1791093222 300270 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fixed Repeating Output14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197163&oldid=197158 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+48) 10/* Lua */ golf in [[Lua]]
< 1791093228 539279 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw I am interested in declarative programming but don't really like how Prolog does it
< 1791093229 636271 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry–Howard_correspondence this is what I was talking about
< 1791093239 690559 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: thats under the interpretation that 'property' means semantic property
> 1791093241 793600 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fixed Repeating Output14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197164&oldid=197163 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+0) 10
< 1791093246 21009 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I agree it is somehow a little unsatisfying
< 1791093262 817956 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is a really cool one but yea you can poke holes in the rules with it
< 1791093268 622767 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: ah
< 1791093280 9745 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye that is a cool theorem
< 1791093284 313051 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :correspondence* sry
< 1791093289 360465 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have considered the concept of a sort of "breadth-first Prolog", especially for Prolog-based golfing languages
< 1791093323 685552 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :OH wait hold on
< 1791093327 560397 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :declarative languages that work via backtracking often have the problem that they get stuck in a very slow or possibly even infinite branch of the search tree rather than looking elsewhere which might produce a result quicker
< 1791093331 317177 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we remember how we fit logic solvers into all of this
> 1791093339 749780 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fixed Repeating Output14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197165&oldid=197164 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+58) 10/* Python */ surprised it hasn't been golfed yet
< 1791093346 771508 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oooo
< 1791093362 305573 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: its cuz of the connection that they were considered ai when they were first made
< 1791093376 289553 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and declarative programming relies on ai to take care of control flow at some fundamental level
< 1791093388 405423 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one redeeming feature of Prolog's evaluation order is that you can do weird control-flow-ish things with it (which are fun in much the same way as esolangs) but I don't think that's a good fit for a serious language
< 1791093414 163906 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah prolog feels like an esolang chris pressey would come up with
< 1791093443 392667 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think you need actual AI to run declarative programs though, worst case a brute-force breadth-first search would work
< 1791093471 409333 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we mean ai in the sense of extracting human intelligence and automating it
< 1791093487 356670 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the purest sense, anything which derives the intent from a set of rules is ai
< 1791093495 109195 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :even a brute force search
< 1791093497 547434 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, on the Curry–Howard correspondence's importance here, if you can make finding a constraint language's solution into a simulation of a program, then thats literally using the Curry–Howard correspondence to make a program into a logic system(the set of constraints) and the theorem(finding the solution and proving its correct)
< 1791093503 900077 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this reminds me of a concept that I probably didn't come up with but have thought a lot about: if you are unsure which of two algorithms for computing the same thing is faster, you can just run them in parallel and get a worst-case slowdown of ×2 over the time of the faster algorithm, which is often much better than running one of them because it might be n times slower
< 1791093510 793066 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: its still ai even if its not good ai
< 1791093530 640677 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do consider search algorithms to be a sub-field of Ai
< 1791093542 643533 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think search algorithms *are* ai
< 1791093547 240041 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :beam searches seem very AI
< 1791093554 881715 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I used to work on a NetHack bot which treated the game pretty much as a search problem, so the bot was just a search algorithm)
< 1791093557 585921 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like we think theres a direct correspondence between efficient searching and ai
< 1791093564 46062 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like how there is between compression and ai
> 1791093573 745054 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Cordership/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197166&oldid=195616 5* 03Cordership 5* (+4) 10/* Random Sorting Hat Ceremony in Python */
< 1791093581 720152 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there's a direct correspondence between searching *efficiently* and AI
< 1791093586 385373 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<also, on the Curry–Howard correspondence's importance here, [...]>: what do you think of this markfan8901?
< 1791093601 340668 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I understand the Curry–Howard correspondence correctly btw, but maybe im stupid
< 1791093610 912613 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait whats the [...]
< 1791093614 331672 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think "try all the possibilities in sequence until one of them works" is AI unless you do something nontrivial to try to decide on a good sequence, though
< 1791093625 380841 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we would call that a really dumb ai
< 1791093657 83674 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yesterday I was thinking about American Fuzzy Lop as basically being an agentic random number generator
< 1791093659 325687 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually yeah no it might be more practical to just say thats not ai
< 1791093666 564509 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: hold on we're looking that up
< 1791093678 334068 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is much faster at finding inputs that reach desired program states than a regular fuzzer is
< 1791093693 540251 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: it is both a computer program and a type of rabbit, one is named after the other
< 1791093698 571926 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :markfan8901: I did it to abbreviate my message is longer upwards in chat
< 1791093704 662399 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :o
< 1791093719 839637 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: i do remember hearing something about an algorithm which is just the running-two-programs-in-parallel thing except running every algorithm in parallel
< 1791093738 193190 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea wait ur right
< 1791093743 793059 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PkmnQ: the problem there is what to do if there are infinitely many algorithms
< 1791093754 769393 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: referring to yayimheretoo
< 1791093785 333023 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we were also thinking merely the process of working through the language could also somehow be translated into its own program
< 1791093804 342573 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think both work
< 1791093806 427268 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :PkmnQ: thats called global search
< 1791093808 740535 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it *is* possible to run all programs in a given language in parallel (looking for one that, e.g., halts with a particular value), even if there are infinitely many, but it's very slow due to the way in which you have to interleave them
< 1791093820 765948 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also that means Bitch, Ienai!... is aa type system????
< 1791093825 840325 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think-
< 1791093836 214108 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :goddamn it its all types
< 1791093843 458563 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :everyone go home
< 1791093845 224080 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolanging is solved
< 1791093849 113056 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its just type programming
< 1791093857 165520 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmao
< 1791093863 204529 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nono its just types is everything
< 1791093863 400195 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in particular the runtime of any given program gets multiplied by a constant (depending on where it is in the sequence of programs) and squared (you can avoid the squaring of the runtime but then you need to exponentiate the constant)
< 1791093866 252662 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1791093879 368494 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ PRIVMSG #esolangs :found it, "levin's universal search" is what i was thinking of
< 1791093888 721200 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's not very good if trying to find an optimal-time algorithm
< 1791093896 21904 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yeah, that's what i recall hearing about it
< 1791093914 454680 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that said, the exponentiate-the-constant version does give you an optimal algorithm up to constant factors, just the factors are too large to be practical)
> 1791093939 221809 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197167&oldid=197149 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-169) 10
< 1791093960 482175 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I fixed everything you said MarkFan8901
< 1791093968 945786 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :reading
< 1791093975 335698 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :holy shit I didn't know \@ did that!
< 1791093987 534802 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or just @ was using \ to escape
< 1791094018 377909 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh would it be ok if the snippets of syntax weren't in code blocks
< 1791094025 46454 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats also a little clunky in our opinion
< 1791094048 325804 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: There's that really inefficient SAT solver construction that interleaves simulations of all turing machines on its input, collects the outputs as they halt and checks them against the input, which runs in polynomial time iff NP = P.
< 1791094064 802480 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you find another clean way too make it distinct whats Meta-Notation VS UnMeta-Notation
< 1791094102 550583 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what are the examples of non meta notation in the page
< 1791094104 180134 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<de67> im confused on whats going on, there are multiple ongoing conversations in one channel ← you get used to it, typically what happens is you learn by participating in multiple conversations at the same time in *different* channels, then eventually you can do it in the same channel too
< 1791094122 528752 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there have been cases where I and someone else have had two different conversations with each other simultaneously in the same channel
< 1791094135 44883 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Markfan8901: M, l, N, v
< 1791094148 742280 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: which I assume is ancient (relative to the history of computer science), but I don't know how old it really is.
< 1791094154 226647 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are properties, and entities
> 1791094186 615986 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197168&oldid=197167 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+45) 10/* Rules */
< 1791094191 938226 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: those seem small enough to be understandable as parts of the language without being marked as meta syntax
< 1791094221 121070 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: hmm, this isn't just P vs. NP but x vs. Nx for all x, right?
< 1791094227 489465 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, all computable x
< 1791094242 896474 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :markfan8901: also, on another note, I dont think code blocks are very clunky? they are very widely used on this wiki
< 1791094257 469122 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :true, but we think here specifically they are
< 1791094257 541656 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually no, x has to be a computational class that's simulatable on Turing machines with only constant-time slowdown
< 1791094260 66905 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe thats just our dark mode
< 1791094274 160138 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* constant-factor slowdown
< 1791094277 745597 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wouldn't know about dark mode lmao
< 1791094279 401625 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: hmm I think you need x >= P because of simulation overheads
< 1791094281 357373 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yes
< 1791094284 173398 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which P is, but specific polynomials aren't
< 1791094287 797084 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oya did you see that we made a dark mode for the vector 2010 theme
< 1791094298 152522 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I guess you also need complete problems for x
< 1791094304 914927 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes I did but I dont use it lol
< 1791094311 94642 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fair
< 1791094341 714230 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we also think its cuz of how frequently its used
< 1791094352 962375 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for Nx, rather
< 1791094362 450726 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :typically we only see like two or three inline code snippets used in a paragraph
< 1791094380 968077 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus theyre normally longer we think
< 1791094385 810265 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :notation exists to be used!
> 1791094392 50136 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere2(school)/common.css14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197169&oldid=167047 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+4142) 10
< 1791094396 404779 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :true...
< 1791094411 633971 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe
< 1791094413 800727 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :our power spreads
< 1791094416 163735 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :quite like this actually
< 1791094423 73222 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thank u
< 1791094423 408484 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but like I dont see whats wrong with cde
< 1791094431 983779 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might just be a personal thing
> 1791094449 117706 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197170&oldid=197168 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-4) 10/* Rules */
< 1791094462 680536 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :mm
< 1791094482 31784 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps we can reword how the system is described
< 1791094495 446621 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :rn it has quite a bit of redundancy
< 1791094514 332019 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like?
< 1791094528 237122 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess PT is never used as notation
< 1791094543 452645 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"and notation that isn't are actual entities" + "These aren't notation as the others, thats their actual names as if they were manually defined"
< 1791094552 312494 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you basically say the same thing twice
< 1791094560 542664 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like youre desperate to get it across to the reader
< 1791094569 31405 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I didn't se that was still there
< 1791094575 846548 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1791094585 26806 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also we're fine with PT
> 1791094595 20449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197171&oldid=197170 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-176) 10/* Rules */
< 1791094599 188836 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fjixed
< 1791094638 801168 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :re: featured languages, one problem is that in addition to the language being worth featuring, the article about it has to be good enough to be worth featuring too
< 1791094641 938961 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea the fact that ME transforms are ET is redundant by their definition
< 1791094644 225659 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz they take in entities
< 1791094668 455157 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: another good reason for befunge to be a featured lang
< 1791094701 760569 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<MarkFan8901> yea ais consistently makes high quality langs ← this is actually not true but most of the low quality ones either don't get posted, or (if I post them) don't get linked from my userpage
< 1791094711 441554 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: that would be untrue, PT also take in entities, just abstract them *after*
< 1791094726 314413 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahh
< 1791094738 276897 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: true
< 1791094745 801495 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :recently I was thinking about BF derivatives and came up with the name "kcufniarb" but now I am trying to find a good set of semantics that fits the name
< 1791094752 674272 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have very good quality control
> 1791094764 583064 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197172&oldid=197171 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+13) 10/* Rules */
< 1791094780 848657 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: lmao
> 1791094795 659416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy/Blog draft14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197173&oldid=197160 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+24) 10this should be its own section
< 1791094817 700616 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was thinking about a nondeterministic sort of language which exploits the fact that when exiting a BF loop, the value in the cell is always 0 but there are two places that control flow could have come from (likewise at the start of a BF loop body, the value in the cell is always non-0 but there are two places that control flow could have come from)
< 1791094825 681236 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and somehow time-reversing this to do a deterministic choice
< 1791094834 380253 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh `or abstracts it into Pf(X) through a "layer of abstraction".` should probably just be shortened to `or abstracts it into Pf(X).`
< 1791094838 473907 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: thats a cool idea
< 1791094844 840692 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…but that's as far as I've got, I'm not sure which specific set of details (if any) would make this interesting
< 1791094860 657648 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mark8901: oops forgot to delete that!
> 1791094868 706095 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197174&oldid=197172 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-33) 10/* Rules */
< 1791094897 860979 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the difference between me and most of the wiki is that I don't just pick an arbitrary choice and post it, and only later find out whether the choice was good or not
< 1791094910 299363 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that sounds cool
< 1791094911 316531 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, that sentence is hard to parse, I'll add parentheses
< 1791094915 309945 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the difference between me and most of the wiki is that I don't just (pick an arbitrary choice and post it, and only later find out whether the choice was good or not)
< 1791094926 381894 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yea more people should be doing that
< 1791094946 188837 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we think we do that naturally just cuz its already so hard for us to wanna work on an esolang
< 1791094951 526593 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and not just come up with ideas
< 1791094964 64129 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it takes an exceptional idea to get us working
< 1791094975 453965 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is what ralsei and that language for the platformer bots are
< 1791094995 399504 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i do that before making the language, I always try to make sure the idea is good and at then make sure the language follows the idea correctly
< 1791094996 499946 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<ais523> and somehow time-reversing this to do a deterministic choice ← s/deterministic/non-deterministic/
< 1791095016 727117 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: thats kinda impossible
< 1791095044 511877 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you dont know how good an idea is unless you explore it and take it seriously
< 1791095049 213128 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: how? like if its a bad idea, or I think its a bad idea I just wont... make something with that idea
< 1791095064 388759 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<MarkFan8901> we actually saw his name in a video about smb3 arbitrary code execution ← that's actually the second time where I've deduced the likely existence of a video game bug purely by reading documentation, and concluding "this is very hard to program correctly so maybe it got programmed incorrectly"
< 1791095068 454692 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if I explore it and don't find a language which does smth cool *with* the idea at every attempt I just dont
< 1791095078 986609 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we mean its impossible to say that an idea is Bad before going through with it
< 1791095084 634798 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: ah
< 1791095098 893785 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have many half finished language docs in my notes app
< 1791095108 521414 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye ok we thought you were like, trying to figure out if ideas are bad before making anything about them
< 1791095124 6526 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nah nahh
< 1791095124 864331 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs : ais523: thats really really funny
< 1791095129 724011 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have so much time
< 1791095140 137320 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so i do always explore atleast a bbit
< 1791095149 197531 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye thats good
< 1791095150 688335 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although correctly reading a NES controller isn't so hard in the abstract, doing it correctly would be more code to handle a case that isn't realistically going to happen, so who'd bother writing it? especially as most/(all?) NES games were handwritten in 6502 asm)
< 1791095167 783028 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1791095181 969895 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh whats the first time you did that btw
< 1791095223 794024 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was in Neverwinter Nights, it has a place in which you can recover lost plot items
< 1791095252 780185 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was intended for situations where in multiplayer, someone disconnected while holding a critical item, to prevent the game becoming unwinnable for everyone else
< 1791095292 747132 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the manual also mentioned that a) it also worked on accidentally dropped items and b) it was added last minute (it was in a separate section of the manual for documenting last-minute changes as they were made after most of the manual had already been printed)
< 1791095327 328605 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I was thinking, if there's a way to get hold of a copy of a plot item that got dropped, what happens to the original? in that game you can pick up items again after dropping them, even much later
< 1791095333 214650 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :sounds like prime time for item dupe
< 1791095336 659855 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :exactly
< 1791095364 339941 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :if only we had minds like this in the roblox community
< 1791095368 55144 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually we kinda do
< 1791095375 566737 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also MarkFan8901 anymore flaws in the Bitch, Ienai! article
< 1791095379 412894 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :?
< 1791095387 322907 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :give us a sec
< 1791095398 243932 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool
< 1791095412 898740 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: theres this guy who rebuilt like 3 different versions of roblox physics from stratch *in* roblox
< 1791095423 29193 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :holy hell
< 1791095425 222480 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :specifically 2016, 2021, and (mid) 2026 physics
< 1791095428 660771 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the fun thing is that some chapters are coded as requiring you to complete (or partially complete) a set of plot items in order to be able to continue, but they just count the number of the relevant type of plot items you collected, so if you duplciate plot items you can just get one of them and duplicate enough of them to complete the chapter
< 1791095445 778212 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :funy
< 1791095468 241029 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the amazing thing is, I subsequently discovered that there's code trying to prevent you using duplicates of a given plot item for the chapter completion check, it's just broken (being tied to some parts of a dialog tree but not to other parts that are supposed to be equivalent)
< 1791095484 357841 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh
< 1791095532 126775 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is literally amazing
< 1791095537 995383 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: the fact it was reimplemented from the ground up lets you do stuff like a real tas system (something we've been heavily missing for years) and bringing back old glitches from the grave
< 1791095566 961107 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its called eternal obbying btw you can like. play this right now
< 1791095569 835319 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its actually crazy
< 1791095585 287318 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay anyways
< 1791095599 275456 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<PkmnQ> yeah the pattern-based thing is pretty novel on its own, but even beyond that it's interesting to me even only considering the semantics without the syntax ← the syntax came first, and strongly suggested the semantics as there's only so much you can do when the language has only three commands (first incidence, second incidence, third incidence) and they're all connected to each other as a set
< 1791095601 441296 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: only other flaws are just wording stuff in our opinion
< 1791095618 872403 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually hold on lets be more specific
< 1791095622 989021 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's one of those languages where I remember where I was when I came up with it
< 1791095632 695790 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its a little too wordy right now in our opinion
< 1791095645 76952 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was another thing we tried fixing up in our sandbox version
> 1791095695 876667 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197175&oldid=197174 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+6) 10/* Rules */
< 1791095710 500689 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, the most confusing such memory to me is The Program Is Mostly Ignored because I remember it as having been come up with while waiting on a platform of a train station, which is reasonable enough except that the platform in question is one that I would only normally use after my train had already arrived at its destination, so why would I be waiting at it?
> 1791095734 223065 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197176&oldid=197175 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-35) 10/* Rules */
< 1791095739 320409 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am guessing that I just misremembered the specific platform, but am not sure, maybe I was doing something weird that day
< 1791095759 793340 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :enjoying the scenery
< 1791095774 542129 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mmmaybe you were waiting bcuz you were thinking
< 1791095775 938124 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
> 1791095898 711832 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197177&oldid=197176 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-31) 10
< 1791095931 932887 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: I've been wondering about that
< 1791095947 551107 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: about what? the waiting?
< 1791095950 664478 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1791095955 154631 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahok
< 1791095961 760405 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that just confirms it /tease
> 1791096055 744698 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197178&oldid=197177 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-134) 10
< 1791096077 13596 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually no, that wasn't TPIMI, that was Echo Tag
< 1791096080 588345 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey markfan8901  its edit conflicting right now? theres some stuff that was kinda redefined, is it fine if I push through with my edit?
< 1791096094 752863 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye thats oki
< 1791096096 36325 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was probably thinking about trying to prove Echo Tag TC, and the TCness proof became TPIMI
< 1791096100 517467 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :our edit was pretty basic
< 1791096109 62547 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but TPIMI, I created in the middle of the night while my computer was broken
< 1791096114 520960 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool. feel free to copy your edit to adjust after I push
< 1791096122 352787 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I actually wrote it down on paper so that I wouldn't forget it
< 1791096125 176002 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we have it copied
< 1791096128 39672 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice
< 1791096235 628374 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's been a while since I created a program somewhere interesting, the most recent was Genera Tag
< 1791096252 421339 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it was created close to a beach, I was walking towards the beach at the time and hadn't quite reached it)
< 1791096259 647083 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :go to a river and let it inspire you /j
< 1791096273 554382 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the waterfall model:
< 1791096279 126299 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that seems like the perfect activity for MY brain
< 1791096300 440622 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for TWM I think I was just in bed at home, not as interesting
< 1791096324 219719 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :markfan8901: waterfall = river
< 1791096324 951117 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :when ur at the river u'll think of an esolang inspired by being in bed
< 1791096335 743603 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: yea a waterfall is just a vertical river
< 1791096343 819546 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1791096352 47134 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: login to IRC via SASL isn't hard. in theory SASL supports multiple authentication methods, but the one you will probably use just transmits your account name and password encoded with something like base64. the main difference from nickserv is that you can do it before you get a usable IRC client connection. 
< 1791096368 560992 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't have the base64 of my password memorized
< 1791096380 668414 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :get to work then dummy
< 1791096386 148484 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :skill issue
< 1791096386 453057 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…I guess I could just change my password to something with a memorable base64?
< 1791096389 578599 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as the young say
< 1791096393 623877 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: sure
< 1791096401 604605 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :'the young' is crazy
< 1791096417 223574 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im allowed to say that I am one! lol
< 1791096421 232371 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oya yayimheretoo did you get that edit through yet
< 1791096426 823142 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes!!
< 1791096433 134944 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :o we didnt notice
< 1791096438 600233 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a while ago I was working on a language which used inverse-base64 as its syntax (the interpreter would base64 *encode* the input and then treat the resulting characters as commands), in order to be able to fit four commands into every three bytes of program
< 1791096462 532129 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that feels cursed
< 1791096473 749552 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: it's basically just "AUTHENTICATE PLAIN\nAUTHENTICATE :" . encode_base64("$account\x00$account\x00$password") . "\n"
< 1791096475 352442 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hold on this is related to something we were talking about with compression and whatnot
< 1791096493 318065 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :having more than 1 command per character
< 1791096517 608140 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder how compression connects to constraint languages /j
< 1791096524 50133 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ai
< 1791096539 598944 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dammit
< 1791096542 805978 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1791096554 715084 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz declarative programming to an extent relies on quantifying human intelligence
< 1791096558 153246 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and compression is intelligence
< 1791096559 751986 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it wouldn't even really be better over NickServ if it weren't for that libera servers half-ban certain IP address ranges such that they only accept connections if they authenticate via SASL. (also NickServ has confusingly different syntax between IRC networks where where the IDENTIFY command takes the account and password parameters in different order.)
< 1791096560 660942 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: recently I was thinking about converting a diff-compression algorithm into a regular compression algorithm by taking the least fixed point of the encoded diff
< 1791096573 660021 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that might be seen as a constraint-compression connection
< 1791096580 739130 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmmmm
< 1791096587 552671 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dammit
< 1791096593 647954 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf
< 1791096594 71483 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :everyone go home
< 1791096597 82274 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its all just declarative programming
< 1791096599 134077 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :interesting
< 1791096604 714247 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the hell
< 1791096608 757934 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :¨
< 1791096614 503502 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wha
< 1791096614 542111 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok...
< 1791096618 409799 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :weird , anyways
< 1791096634 307695 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I mean, deflate already has a least fixed point thing because it can copy a long string where the source partly overlaps the destination in order to repeat a string many times
< 1791096649 544722 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, it's more like the only fixed point, but still
< 1791096676 61114 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :only is still least
< 1791096684 597493 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oya yayimheretoo can we shorten `Every property can also act as/has a corresponding entity` to `Every property can be used as an entity`
< 1791096702 592242 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're nervous about just turning your page into our page
< 1791096712 463839 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yes great, but remember to include the fact its reversible
< 1791096717 402808 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1791096768 131504 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"October is not a traditional month for pancakes" => I think this might be a difference between Europe vs America. 
< 1791096789 348165 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn........
< 1791096808 653741 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: in which direction?
< 1791096830 222053 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oya implicit in the second rule is that the transformations youre talking about are ones which work on entities
< 1791096857 235865 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wut?
< 1791096861 811838 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :could you say that again
< 1791096916 54034 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :`Every transformation applies either to the actual entity given X, or abstracts it into Pf(X) first.` seems to only apply for transformations which work on entities
< 1791096918 511807 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Every? No such file or directory
< 1791096935 867187 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok hackeso
< 1791096945 541759 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which leaves transformations which work on values in the dust
< 1791096958 387733 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :??? entities have both values and transforms
< 1791096975 615011 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, but the definition of transforms also lets them work on values directly
< 1791096982 560522 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :instead of entities
< 1791097036 583101 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes...? when you're working with an entity you could choose to work on the transform or the value. the reason its worded that way is because transforms apply to entities but to describe entities you already need transforms
< 1791097093 496098 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait okay so
< 1791097108 423136 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :transforms either work on the values or the properties of the entity they take in
< 1791097124 696906 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1791097127 240337 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I logread up to me joining and talking about 0-bit integers, and now I'm wondering what "0's complement" would mean
< 1791097131 210780 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats a very elegant way to put it
< 1791097157 427838 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :elegant way to put what? whats being put? which message is in this reference to?
< 1791097158 329690 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :llol
< 1791097159 959847 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the logical expansion of that would be to use 0 and -1 as bit values rather than 0 and 1, which I guess just means all the numbers are negative (like sign-magnitude but without the sign)
< 1791097180 900707 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe it's balanced ternary
< 1791097189 390434 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: the second rule
< 1791097232 231270 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hold on we'll make an edit but we're not sure if its accurate
< 1791097233 827608 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :tell us if its not
< 1791097249 418210 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok will tell
> 1791097295 404994 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197179&oldid=197178 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-242) 10
< 1791097306 633360 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats actually very elegant yea. you could even implement the vase where an entity is used as a transform
< 1791097325 785816 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yee
< 1791097331 920625 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Neverwinter Nights recover item by abusing behavior for when someone disconnected while holding a critical item => that sounds like the item duplication bugs that older versions of Minecraft had, which came from that the game saves your inventory more frequently than it saves most of the rest of the world, so if you crash the game shortly after you pick up an item then you can have it in your 
< 1791097337 928516 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :inventory while the game forgot that it's no longer elsewhere
< 1791097348 313761 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that works in some versions of Pokémon too
< 1791097367 881620 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(cutting the power at the right time relative to a save)
< 1791097396 151591 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think in Emerald, if you trigger the save in the right way, you don't even need to do it midsave, just turn off the power after saving
< 1791097411 906560 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this implies entities are 3-tuples: (λ,X,{P1,P2,P3,...})
< 1791097464 207193 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is always nice
> 1791097560 747830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197180&oldid=197179 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+39) 10
< 1791097584 440646 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :markfan8901: i dicovered the above, should that be on the page?
< 1791097615 310458 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: there is some sweet food like pancakes or waffles that Americans think is valid breakfast food but (continental) Europeans think is inappropriate for breakfast. but this isn't *all* sweet food, Europeans can still eat bread with jam and/or honey for breakfast, and drink sweetened tea or cocoa, so it's possible that it's the Europeans who have weird customs for this.
< 1791097617 717604 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait wha
< 1791097619 252031 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm
< 1791097641 409825 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait hold on entities can also work as transformations?
< 1791097648 447149 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"waffle" at least has very different meanings between British and American english
< 1791097681 737214 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`(λ,X,{P1,P2,P3,...})`: `λ` is the transform, `X` is the value, and `{P1,P2,P3,...}` is the property set.
< 1791097685 247444 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​(λ,X,{P1,P2,P3,...})`:? No such file or directory
< 1791097686 698224 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, a lot of food names are confusing, no surprise since you can rarely ship most food across the ocean
< 1791097725 347979 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: sry for being dumb but how do entities also have transforms
< 1791097735 925329 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh also should we replace the word 'transformation' with just 'transform' on the page
< 1791097739 140 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz its more natural
< 1791097745 739816 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: yes. the only things which you can actually access is the entity, its jsut that entities represent multiple things. this is mentioned in: "Entities must be defined with either a value or a transformation. The other side must be derived from what was given."
< 1791097763 302785 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh we're like actually dumb
< 1791097765 551463 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay we get it
< 1791097779 272991 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its like lambda calculus, in principle. Entities are just ALWAYS defined by the function route
< 1791097785 577962 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Markfan8901: lmao its fine
< 1791097801 496354 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe defining it as a 3-tuple would be a bit restrictive
< 1791097806 228183 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also network multiplayer on a network that can have delays for a real-time game is hard to implement, and the weird bugs that Spelunky 2 network multiplayer has illustrates these. there's a way to duplicate back items, and some occasional complete desyncs.
< 1791097822 986113 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: yea. idk thats up to you
< 1791097826 659665 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but its a fun discovery
< 1791097827 299405 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :since you could theoretically make a solution where those are all taken care of in a single data field
< 1791097829 381871 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1791097842 497926 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :players sometimes deliberately use the back item dupe to gain advantage
< 1791097847 327680 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you think of our transformations -> transforms idea
< 1791097869 264366 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but multiplayer is almost never played in a competitive way so this doesn't matter much
< 1791097882 983787 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :competitive spelunky sounds really funny
< 1791097890 30519 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :markfan8901: sure!!
< 1791097893 512533 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oki oki
< 1791097905 929236 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: isn't the standard solution to that "rollback networking", in which there's one authoratitive game state stored on the server, clients send their commands to it and get back updates about the game state, but show to the player what they predict the current gamestate is most likely to be even though they're not aware of recent commands by other players?
< 1791097962 108271 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this sometimes means that you get sudden unexpected changes to what's onscreen if another player does something unpredictable and there's a lot of lag, but that sort of thing is rare in practice
< 1791097976 969271 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I think the game does something like that, at least there's certainly a difference between players and the back item dupe depends on which player has the earlier slot, but apparently there are or were some unsound optimizations
< 1791098029 61273 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and some realtime games design the rules of the game in such a way that any command must be given some length of time before it has any visible effects for anyone else, allowing the fact the that the command has been sent to network-propagate, although that would make it possible to cheat by sniffing the network to discover actions by other players slightly before you were supposed to be aware of them)
< 1791098049 633644 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/authoratitive/authoritative/
< 1791098064 48397 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :markfan8901: seems like the page is pretty much fine by now
< 1791098074 659748 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think we need to modify anything
< 1791098152 483581 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh maybe N can be defined with l
< 1791098161 94331 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :since they just do the same thing but N applies l to the result again
< 1791098171 390304 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :N(x) -> l(l(x))
< 1791098181 693578 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a minimum delay could make sense for something like a real-time strategy, or even a first-person shooter, but I think it would be harder to make it work for something like Spelunky 2
< 1791098200 637714 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, N is already defined in terms of l:
< 1791098201 138158 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :N(x) = M -> l(x)
< 1791098216 313331 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1791098230 626691 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its explicitly stated
< 1791098232 40964 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the descriptions for N and l are the exact same up until the last part
< 1791098250 633253 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :they both have `a {{cd|ME}} transform which takes an entity {{cd|X}} and makes a transform which takes in an entity of {{cd|P<sub>c</sub>(X)}} and produces {{cd|X}}` in common
< 1791098271 866623 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no? its an entity oc Pc(M)
< 1791098282 345893 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1791098294 64245 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ohhhh okay
< 1791098295 369394 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"N, a ME transform which takes an entity X and makes a transform which takes in an entity in Pc(M) and produces X transformed by l."
> 1791098315 526693 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197181&oldid=197180 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+0) 10/* Rules */
< 1791098316 144294 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok straight up we thought the fact that one said of and the other said in was a typo
< 1791098340 121042 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was! its just different properties
< 1791098344 937994 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and different results
< 1791098352 840030 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ PRIVMSG #esolangs :I keep forgetting that's a lowercase l and I keep reading it as a capital I instead
< 1791098361 325039 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea its weird
< 1791098394 411041 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also yayimheretoo we unrealized why N cant just be defined as l(l(x))
< 1791098399 234353 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk why thats the symbol I chose to use but it remains true to the original Type
< 1791098407 455255 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1791098412 837178 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :markfan8901: wtf does that mean lol
< 1791098447 365402 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cuz now they both do the same thing except N applies l again
> 1791098465 816438 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197182&oldid=197162 5* 03None1 5* (+402) 10/* BF Joust strategies */
< 1791098471 497513 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they dont do the same thing cuz the INPUT property is different
< 1791098480 308637 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like N(x)(M) = l(x)
< 1791098513 182814 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and l(x)(M) = x, right
< 1791098518 550982 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :or are we missing something
< 1791098528 821139 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no its equal to l(x)
< 1791098540 937048 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :l(x)(y) = x if y is in Pc(x)
< 1791098554 205787 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ohhhh okay
< 1791098576 874204 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so its N(x)(y)(z)
< 1791098576 954725 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait okay we just realized it
< 1791098599 248835 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay phew
< 1791098612 93238 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is one hell of a project to work on lol
< 1791098620 177737 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1791098636 369366 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is like the second time in a row similar wording caught us in a misunderstanding
< 1791098648 322396 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
< 1791098651 14670 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :our brain kind of just glossed over the different input
< 1791098659 391201 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea its annoying when that happens
< 1791098663 591384 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe we should work on making it a little more terse
< 1791098666 379556 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so its easier to see the difference
< 1791098680 951024 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive done that quite a few time with ais languages where im like "thats the same!"... "no!"
< 1791098683 971247 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :loll
< 1791098689 255309 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea:sob:
< 1791098703 329055 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Markfan8901: idk how that would be done:sob: but if you have a way go ahead!
< 1791098730 809595 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :OH wait hold on
< 1791098732 650158 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :not related to that but
< 1791098747 331664 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :since the Pf(X) isnt there anymore that means Pc(X) doesnt need the subscript
< 1791098748 774942 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :to distinguish it
< 1791098752 298851 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it could just be P(X)
< 1791098758 374216 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true!!
< 1791098760 534815 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yay!
> 1791098816 741826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197183&oldid=197181 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-98) 10
< 1791098827 113349 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :page golfing
< 1791098832 830925 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait hold on this is compression
< 1791098836 164504 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice
< 1791098838 155235 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes...
< 1791098838 999874 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and compression is intelligence...
< 1791098842 236324 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :GOD FUCKING DAMMIT
< 1791098842 334877 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is .......
< 1791098851 817769 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :SO THE PAGE IS A CONSTRAINT LANGUAGE NOW?
< 1791098858 857142 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a set generator
< 1791098861 395923 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and declarative programming
< 1791098869 682749 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so code golfing is a constraint language and set generation AND SYNTAX
< 1791098877 131113 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :GOLF IS SYNTAX?
< 1791098878 867482 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :GOD NO!
< 1791098900 606196 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is the shit lovecraft was talking about when he said science would lead us to knowledge the human mind couldnt comprehend
< 1791098913 208452 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :truly
< 1791098926 633190 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok I cant wait to find out how you translate between all these thats rlly interesting
< 1791098934 606261 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :IMAGINE THE GOLFING LANGUAGES THHAT CAN BE MADE!
< 1791098938 5559 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :witn this new understanding
< 1791098961 721547 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah golfing with the compression = intelligence in mind actually seems really helpful
< 1791098977 886954 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :not just cuz its related to ais' quip about a language which fits 4 commands in 3 characters
< 1791098998 114167 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but like imagine how weirdly abstract you can get if you take like... linear logic, and use that to golf, for example...???
< 1791099030 972867 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're still thinking about taking just a line of thought and turning it into the execution of a program in a declarative paradigm
< 1791099045 879254 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :literally extracting human intelligence and automating it
< 1791099049 607960 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that *is* very cool
< 1791099063 379808 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I rlly just like in general how many different connections this makes
< 1791099067 765494 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yee same
< 1791099076 176138 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok but wait
< 1791099083 822682 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine making a symbolic regression ai where the symbols in question are the symbols in that language
< 1791099111 415008 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine a machine which compresses some arbitrary compressor, applied to itself, applies to itself, applied to itself, forever
< 1791099118 188232 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :... idk what that does but sounds cool
< 1791099121 21717 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: wait a minute, M is defined as being PT, but it returns a transform (namely M itself), so shouldn't it be ME and thus VT
< 1791099147 77682 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh is that cuz of the typo
< 1791099150 196378 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :""it takes makes"
< 1791099150 768540 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PkmnQ: so heres the *thing*
< 1791099173 57610 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait
< 1791099175 448040 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait wtf
< 1791099175 562004 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: we actually openly thought of that idea for an ai in this channel
< 1791099178 343563 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm lemme think
< 1791099206 299157 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :where the ai works by taking functions and optimizing them for their goal
< 1791099217 542996 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :where 'optimizing' is either compressing or making more correct
< 1791099232 722042 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok but then this AI applies to itself.
< 1791099235 854495 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1791099237 680552 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats the point
< 1791099243 294852 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :free rsi (real) (not clickbait)
< 1791099245 137754 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice
< 1791099273 108771 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :more specifically, it does this by the fact that its written in the same language its working wit
< 1791099274 144293 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :with*
> 1791099275 583271 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197184&oldid=197183 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+4) 10/* Rules */
< 1791099292 856749 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok the thing with ME is it was originally defined more complex
< 1791099369 927249 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sppecificelly ME takes in a value, and places it inside a "template" program. M isn't doing that it's just taking some general property and making everything of that property into M. M is PT, so it cant be ME
< 1791099416 903261 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :pkmnq ^
< 1791099439 431381 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :M takes an entity and works with one of its values, which makes it PT
< 1791099474 684528 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, M is based off of if its in the v property it becomes M
< 1791099507 998947 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait shit we meant "works with one of its properties"
< 1791099518 64608 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah ok
< 1791099519 494486 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that property just so happening to be v
< 1791099523 121583 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
> 1791099547 627575 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197185&oldid=197182 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1926) 10/* BF Joust strategies */ thoughts
> 1791099589 886844 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197186&oldid=197184 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+18) 10
> 1791099635 615921 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197187&oldid=197186 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-26) 10
< 1791099641 687612 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like the thing is it gets put INSIDE of a transform instead of being modified itself
< 1791099663 707845 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats a weird thing, MT is fully injective
< 1791099691 132451 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm we're starting to think
< 1791099700 660739 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :could you make a constraint language based around actually have a correct answer?
< 1791099705 992682 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :or some correct central concept
< 1791099714 705380 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that could tie all the constraints together in one fell swoop
< 1791099718 923429 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk doesn't seem interesting then
< 1791099727 519166 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it could be if you designed around it
< 1791099742 10693 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but then other solutions dont exist!
< 1791099754 870371 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok we dont mean like
< 1791099756 794794 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :a strict answer
< 1791099794 456854 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we mean like some idea which can solve all of the constraints at the same time
< 1791099816 245747 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :with the language being designed around puzzling for what that idea is
< 1791099829 175896 :x-540!~x-540@89-69-209-241.dynamic.play.pl JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] x-540
< 1791099837 553175 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would probably take stricture rules but we could imagine how itd be fun
< 1791099854 946508 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh another idea we had is describing some other popular language but then adding one rule which fucks literally everything up
< 1791099870 475322 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeeee
< 1791099871 204566 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like brainfuck but theres a rule that somehow supersedes the idea of a tape and numbers
< 1791099876 149088 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wanna do that with LC
< 1791099918 890329 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oya wait hold on
< 1791099926 236831 :x-540!~x-540@89-69-209-241.dynamic.play.pl QUIT :Client Quit
< 1791099942 854889 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :by `makes a transform which takes in {{cd|P(X)}} and produces {{cd|X}}` do you mean `makes a transform which produces {{cd|X}} when given {{cd|P(X)}}`
< 1791099949 603547 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :man MT bothers me so much. I dont know what but smth makes it different
< 1791099960 61747 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :apologies
< 1791099965 439952 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yes markfan8901
< 1791099974 7727 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :apologies?
< 1791099979 214732 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MT as in the actual category
> 1791099985 350759 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197188&oldid=197187 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+0) 10
> 1791100023 970797 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197189&oldid=197188 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+0) 10/* Rules */
> 1791100042 908630 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197190&oldid=197189 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+0) 10/* Rules */
> 1791100092 422644 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197191&oldid=197190 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+67) 10
> 1791100126 816889 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197192&oldid=197185 5* 03None1 5* (+467) 10/* BF Joust strategies */  Fixed inconsistency
< 1791100145 232505 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :'synthetic template' is a very left field thing to put in the explanation
< 1791100148 378584 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we're not quite sure what it means
< 1791100148 671151 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok PkmnQ I think MT is now properly describe
< 1791100156 905351 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :markfan8901: typo
< 1791100169 732383 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh Syntactical template
< 1791100174 535984 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes!
< 1791100187 257784 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: yeah I think I get it now
< 1791100192 912053 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :great!!!
< 1791100199 379910 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :HOLY HELL! IS IT DONE?
< 1791100203 948748 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think so!!!
< 1791100209 13896 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nono hold on
< 1791100210 716704 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres one more edit
< 1791100215 491132 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :finally!
> 1791100309 852635 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197193&oldid=197191 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-65) 10
> 1791100338 223881 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197194&oldid=197193 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+2) 10
> 1791100360 110734 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197195&oldid=197194 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-2) 10
< 1791100377 251761 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hoooohhhhhh we think its done
> 1791100468 47096 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Krypton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197196&oldid=197161 5* 03X-540 5* (+2082) 10Changed computational class to turing complete and added proof (a brainfuck interpreter)
> 1791100485 637970 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197197&oldid=197148 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-2562) 10Blanked the page
< 1791100557 68472 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz JOIN #esolangs * :de67
> 1791100563 378540 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197198&oldid=197195 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-6) 10
< 1791100563 661949 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi guys
< 1791100565 924025 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :im back
< 1791100577 347847 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we and yayimheretoo just finished up [[Bitch, Ienai!]]
> 1791100579 71346 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197199&oldid=197192 5* 03Ais523 5* (+598) 10/* BF Joust strategies */ another bug
< 1791100580 805562 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you should check it out
> 1791100601 178262 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtlefuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197200&oldid=196657 5* 03None1 5* (+376) 10
> 1791100819 559707 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197201&oldid=197198 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+2) 10
< 1791100887 971813 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: EPIIIIIC
> 1791100909 95284 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197202&oldid=197201 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+22) 10
< 1791100950 338985 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Markfan8901: you can work on solving it whenever!!! tell me the results
< 1791101036 802920 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :"(a whole damn lot of)" ah yes, adhering to the encyclopedic tone, i see
< 1791101098 326887 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :man we Caan break it every now and then
> 1791101199 551568 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197203&oldid=197199 5* 03None1 5* (+467) 10/* BF Joust strategies */
> 1791101233 568 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197204&oldid=197203 5* 03None1 5* (+1) 10/* BF Joust strategies */
< 1791101252 230077 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just realize
< 1791101262 435437 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[Moggler]] was kinda inspired by [[Not]]
< 1791101289 506641 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in MY not?
> 1791101298 906010 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197205&oldid=197204 5* 03None1 5* (+35) 10/* BF Joust strategies */
< 1791101299 756009 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :yuh
< 1791101305 808095 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice
< 1791101308 635124 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
> 1791101394 517759 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197206&oldid=197205 5* 03Ais523 5* (+322) 10/* BF Joust strategies */ a pair that didn't work
< 1791101456 267176 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was based on the idea of oracle machines
< 1791101500 146892 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically, a turing machine that can call an oracle machine that can compute uncomputable things, is itself equivalent to an uncomputable machine
< 1791101520 412165 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it doesnt have to be about turing machines
< 1791101534 620260 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can be push down automata calling a turing machine
< 1791101550 74489 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont see how the oracle is uncomputable! lol
< 1791101550 769344 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :which would allow it to do things that pushdown automata normally cant do
< 1791101556 820069 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah ok
< 1791101569 948804 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is what [[moggler]] demonstrates
< 1791101649 455049 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw, neither [[Not]] nor [[Moggler]] are actually push down automatons
< 1791101659 336443 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/ons/a
< 1791101685 403386 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mhm!
< 1791101735 469069 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, the black box system thing reminds me of those guess languages
< 1791101743 542798 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :and burn
< 1791101747 23792 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :and bring to another
< 1791101762 230295 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :and  end
> 1791101772 642916 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197207&oldid=197206 5* 03None1 5* (+388) 10/* BF Joust strategies */  It worked after I expanded the stack size, this should be enough for most other pairs of programs as well.
< 1791101777 14071 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :theyre all quite interesting due to the mystery
< 1791101823 626097 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :black box system? as in the oracle?
> 1791101828 533279 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turtlefuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197208&oldid=197200 5* 03None1 5* (+119) 10/* Examples */
< 1791101849 182532 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea
> 1791101916 772620 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197209&oldid=197207 5* 03None1 5* (+1) 10/* BF Joust strategies */
> 1791102082 108925 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Checkers14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=197210 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+3126) 10Created page with "'''Checkers''' is a very simple pattern-based esolang created by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]]. ==Description== '''Checkers''' uses a queue of unbounded integers (whether signed or unsinged depends on the implementation) as data, which initially starts with three ze
> 1791102096 272499 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197211&oldid=196925 5* 03None1 5* (+0) 10
< 1791102208 184281 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh
< 1791102215 143485 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz PRIVMSG #esolangs :new esolang!
< 1791102219 166950 :ChimeraAnovaTest!~ChimeraAn@2001:4450:493b:cb00:a541:c68f:828a:ede9 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] ChimeraAnovaTest
< 1791102257 514980 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw PkmnQ are ya gonna try to solve today? its all clear and redy
< 1791102279 528489 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I just had one false start
< 1791102288 112574 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not a guarantee that I get a solution but I will certainly try
< 1791102296 541782 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool!!
> 1791102300 242371 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Checkers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197212&oldid=197210 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-3) 10/* Computational class */
< 1791102304 334906 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hopefullly its more manageable than last time
< 1791102321 727475 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and feel free to ask me stuff
> 1791102882 86516 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197213&oldid=197202 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+0) 10
< 1791103029 730030 :de67!~de67@95.57.13.159.dynamic.telecom.kz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1791103049 101790 :de67!~de67@user/de67 JOIN #esolangs de67 :de67
< 1791103969 826711 :ChimeraAnovaTest!~ChimeraAn@2001:4450:493b:cb00:a541:c68f:828a:ede9 QUIT :Quit: My job here is done
> 1791104242 210110 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0710Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197214&oldid=125454 5* 03JustSomeDude 5* (+261) 10Added wikitable for commands, fixed some spelling.
> 1791104283 470905 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:JustSomeDude14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197215&oldid=197055 5* 03JustSomeDude 5* (+16) 10
< 1791104374 203533 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit
< 1791104615 139582 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw Markfan8901 when do you think you'll have time to try and solve?
< 1791104949 726609 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed
< 1791104959 196254 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] yayimheretoo
> 1791105046 511994 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Interpret Esolangs Online14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197216&oldid=192813 5* 03None1 5* (+11) 10/* Introduction */  Add [[Thue]], even though it's boring
> 1791105169 388801 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Thue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197217&oldid=191701 5* 03None1 5* (+162) 10/* External resources */
> 1791105192 725871 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197218&oldid=197211 5* 03None1 5* (+24) 10/* My Implementations */
< 1791105695 834961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1791106236 569107 :de67!~de67@user/de67 QUIT :Quit: nyaa~
< 1791106306 97151 :de67!~de67@user/de67 JOIN #esolangs de67 :de67
> 1791106690 643807 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197219&oldid=197080 5* 03Ayaandh 5* (+106) 10Added introduction
> 1791107095 101946 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gridify14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197220&oldid=196708 5* 03Cordership 5* (-2) 10/* Hello, World! 2 */
> 1791107225 422482 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tekst14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=197221 5* 03Ayaandh 5* (+9663) 10Created page for the Tekst programming language
> 1791107248 705908 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tekst14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197222&oldid=197221 5* 03Ayaandh 5* (-9663) 10Blanked the page
< 1791107343 854622 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whar
> 1791107363 804670 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MinskyX14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=197223 5* 03Cordership 5* (+1577) 10Created page with "MinskyX is an esolang by [[User:Cordership]], derived from [[Portable Minsky Machine Notation]]. ==Syntax== Same as PMMN, with changes: * Counters are now referred to as c0, c1, ... * Direct assignment (A counter can be an integer only)  <i>counter</i> = <i>value</i>
> 1791107374 265110 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MinskyX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197224&oldid=197223 5* 03Cordership 5* (+0) 10/* Cat program */
> 1791107387 689335 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MinskyX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197225&oldid=197224 5* 03Cordership 5* (+0) 10/* Cat program */
> 1791107404 824381 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Cordership14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197226&oldid=196953 5* 03Cordership 5* (+14) 10/* Esolangs */
< 1791107409 579412 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: we have like all the free time on our hands
< 1791107415 999556 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its really a question of if/when we feel up to it
< 1791107427 950541 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but we do wanna try our hand at solving this honestly
> 1791107429 587230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tekst14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197227&oldid=197222 5* 03Ayaandh 5* (+4721) 10Added all content
> 1791107499 587592 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tekst14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197228&oldid=197227 5* 03Ayaandh 5* (+2) 10Fixed syntax error
> 1791107540 825644 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tekst14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197229&oldid=197228 5* 03Ayaandh 5* (+4) 10Fixed error
< 1791107557 938695 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Markfan8901: heck yea!!!
> 1791107589 707441 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MinskyX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197230&oldid=197225 5* 03Cordership 5* (+56) 10/* Syntax */
> 1791107684 484689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tekst14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197231&oldid=197229 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (-107) 10
> 1791107792 530140 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tekst14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197232&oldid=197231 5* 03Ayaandh 5* (-15) 10Fixed module syntax
< 1791107880 936482 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm
< 1791107892 775245 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the website for [[Tekst]] seems to be ai generated
< 1791107911 533624 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to be more specific, it smells like gpt output
< 1791107912 346005 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea it also seems to be another not very esoteric language
< 1791107924 246407 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh theres also borked wiki text
< 1791107938 372045 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :or at least there Was broken wiki test
< 1791107959 30055 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That was probably markdown
> 1791107963 458608 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Tekst14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=197233 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+192) 10Created page with "this does not quite look esoteric --~~~~"
< 1791107990 414542 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Second time a clearly non-esoteric language made it onto the wiki
< 1791108015 264363 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and unfortunately the zillionth time an ai generated language made it on the wiki
< 1791108054 603398 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im not sure if i should tag the page as slop
> 1791108067 414056 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xaxa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197234&oldid=170879 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+798) 10Corrected the examples and added TC proof by translating Yurt's building blocks into it, so it isn't the most efficent
< 1791108068 707608 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably should
< 1791108069 3471 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[Inthon]] I think is the first example of a very non-esoteric language mainly off the wiki making its prescence on the wiki
< 1791108073 399204 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yaeh I second that
< 1791108085 407875 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :alr
< 1791108096 634326 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ChimeraAnova: jesus christ
> 1791108101 670580 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tekst14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197235&oldid=197232 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+29) 10/* External resources */ also tag slop
< 1791108111 37050 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :just got blasted with coprorate design
< 1791108113 671409 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :?
< 1791108115 50917 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :corporate*
< 1791108119 916824 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that logo they have on there
< 1791108121 135645 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :[[Inthon]] website or [[Tekst]]?
< 1791108134 500464 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :inthon wiki page
< 1791108139 648047 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh yeah that lmao
< 1791108158 921953 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea what in the goddamn shit
< 1791108162 348404 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that like needs to be deleted
> 1791108162 397663 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Yurt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197236&oldid=194724 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-295) 10Moved -c part to the end of translated instructions
< 1791108165 128274 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the reason i dont mark ai slop tagging as a minor edit is to hopefully catch the attention of page author that it was marked as slop, and action may be required
< 1791108174 192552 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah
< 1791108177 941068 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess these people want more free advertising for their shit languages
< 1791108182 126900 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also we feel like there's probably much earlier examples of non-esoteric languages being on this wiki
< 1791108195 830781 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: Processor/1, W32 Titanium, and BellBase
< 1791108196 4527 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ChimeraAnova: we feel like for inthon specifically that is the case
< 1791108204 824598 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait actually we need to re-check teksts page
< 1791108207 605787 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :holy shit [[Inthon]] is so obnoxious
< 1791108216 903625 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: Yeah the page literally reads like a promotion
< 1791108217 719402 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres no fixing it
< 1791108220 869892 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for Inthon)
< 1791108223 960090 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the only remedy is deletion
< 1791108225 706737 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :RIGHT!?!?!?!?!
< 1791108239 361663 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its so obnoxiously gpt-3
> 1791108242 306126 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xaxa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197237&oldid=197234 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+40) 10/* Computational class */
< 1791108242 691071 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh god. im writing the Bitch, Ienai! story page... time to pull up sum fuckin' LOGS
< 1791108252 182698 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: You *can* fix it, however the language is not esoteric and has been proven to not be good at its job so it should not be here
< 1791108255 470498 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Inthon)
< 1791108265 67643 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :EUGH
< 1791108266 568399 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the website
< 1791108267 488618 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :for tekst
< 1791108271 306763 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: i think the history page would fit esolanging.wiki very well
< 1791108286 205653 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :for which lang
< 1791108296 799995 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bitch, Ienai!
< 1791108302 992286 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yea it would
< 1791108304 666090 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: hat should have been *me*
< 1791108307 912503 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1791108309 723942 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :^
< 1791108315 470859 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ill add it there too.
< 1791108334 268445 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :when you add it there make sure to note that its spoilers for a constraint language
< 1791108351 213262 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its on a subpage called "History and spoilers"...
< 1791108359 897222 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we mean on esolanging.wiki
< 1791108368 168449 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahh yes I will
< 1791108388 805154 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: [[Inthon]] was made quite recently, so i doubt it was actually made by gpt-3, perhaps it was made by a much newer model
< 1791108389 10610 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gpt-3 afaik was made in 2022-2023
< 1791108394 12031 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tbh... I might just make a full "constraint language" history page on esolanging and link it from the Bitch, Ienai! page
< 1791108409 570505 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye that sounds like a good idea
> 1791108412 658291 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!/History and Spoilers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197238&oldid=197136 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+19) 10delete this page.
< 1791108415 931241 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: thats fair
< 1791108431 677991 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :it fucking reeks of gpt though
< 1791108439 291491 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ikik
< 1791108449 796594 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its like the guy who wrote it changed the output to be even more like older gpt models
> 1791108490 352294 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!/History and Spoilers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197239&oldid=197238 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+38) 10use template
< 1791108518 724651 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yes I forgot
> 1791108547 515321 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197240&oldid=197213 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (-153) 10
> 1791108580 407295 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xaxa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197241&oldid=197237 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-1) 10/* Computational class */
> 1791108640 995054 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PkmnQ/Golf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197242&oldid=197065 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+92) 10should probably clarify this
> 1791108745 34790 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xaxa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197243&oldid=197241 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-825) 10Oh, I forgot it was "if not zero"
> 1791108865 20582 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197244&oldid=197240 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+0) 10
> 1791108871 58380 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xaxa14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197245&oldid=197243 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+0) 10/* Computational class */ grmamar
< 1791108877 904243 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"grmamar"
< 1791108884 981937 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lul
> 1791109305 854399 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unstoppable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197246&oldid=163697 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+69) 10Language on the talk page is enough to prove it TC
> 1791109497 299633 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xaxa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197247&oldid=197245 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+0) 10"as" is correct here I think
< 1791109535 625836 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed
< 1791109543 925920 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn
> 1791109579 925478 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xaxa14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197248&oldid=197247 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (-47) 10/* Truth-machine */
> 1791109647 164324 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197249&oldid=197244 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+12) 10
< 1791109653 187037 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :This changes everything.
> 1791109686 219437 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ChooseNumber14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197250&oldid=193242 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+58) 10It is equivalent to Miny
> 1791109796 531648 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Eekee14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197251&oldid=196751 5* 03Eekee 5* (+265) 10revise, focus on the interpreters in forth project, less negative
> 1791110757 439749 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Eekee14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197252&oldid=197251 5* 03Eekee 5* (-111) 10forgot a word
> 1791111479 582625 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Benjaminfberger 5*  10New user account
> 1791111694 864122 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197253&oldid=197219 5* 03Benjaminfberger 5* (+30) 10
> 1791111714 694844 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nandcode14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=197254 5* 03Benjaminfberger 5* (+632) 10Created page with "'''nandcode (v1.0.0)'''  This language explores the absolute limits of computational minimalism by using NAND as its sole logical operation. Every logical gate, variable mutation, and hardware component is built entirely by chaining and reusing variables with th
< 1791111743 801597 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesnt that like, already exist
> 1791111859 262806 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197255&oldid=197083 5* 03Benjaminfberger 5* (+15) 10/* N */
> 1791111901 823142 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Nandcode14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=197256 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+320) 10/* this premise has already been done several times */ new section
< 1791111980 82870 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] yayimheretoo
> 1791112062 398977 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197257&oldid=197249 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+4) 10/* Definitions */
> 1791112098 30901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197258&oldid=197257 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+63) 10/* Definitions */
> 1791112101 294873 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Nandcode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197259&oldid=197256 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+310) 10
> 1791112147 635689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197260&oldid=197258 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-13) 10
> 1791112156 664661 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197261&oldid=197260 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+4) 10/* Rules */
> 1791112330 334779 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197262&oldid=197261 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+168) 10/* Rules */ idk I think this is important to note
< 1791112426 32430 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm
< 1791112434 170886 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i wanna solve this
< 1791112471 816652 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we are neck deep in solving this
< 1791112507 132340 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also do you mean that entities have to be equivalent to some semi-entity
< 1791112562 601187 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean like, when defining na entity theres no more information added than the name. so semi entities are always also either written as a function or as a value
< 1791112564 210495 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :uknow
< 1791112586 207372 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay okay
> 1791112593 948401 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nandcode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197263&oldid=197254 5* 03Benjaminfberger 5* (+3768) 10
< 1791112604 102553 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I cant WAIT to see your solution(but no pressure)
< 1791112634 543292 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If only that number were 1000 lower
< 1791112641 318646 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :*1005
> 1791112649 173874 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nandcode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197264&oldid=197263 5* 03Benjaminfberger 5* (-7) 10
> 1791112655 591616 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nandcode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197265&oldid=197264 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+29) 10/* External Resources */ tag slop
> 1791112677 524358 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nandcode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197266&oldid=197265 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (-32) 10No need to specify esoteric languages, this wiki's full of them!
< 1791112743 593106 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :dude our solution is so goofy
< 1791112754 801686 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its not done yet tho
< 1791112768 510283 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmmmao
< 1791112772 703051 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
< 1791112774 718650 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf does goofy mean lol
< 1791112780 97603 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi APic!!
< 1791112788 823043 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi APic
< 1791112796 572491 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heya MarkFan8901, yayimheretoo     😌
< 1791112807 806068 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :APic: we have Made sum pretty wild discoveries the last day
< 1791112812 869962 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :👍
< 1791112813 90521 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: you couldnt have possibly accounted for the poopage we are unleashing on the constraints rn
< 1791112846 247865 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :markfan8901: lmao
< 1791112847 322085 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi APic
< 1791112861 4288 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi de67
< 1791112864 25452 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :remember to include a proof that It follows the constraints
< 1791112867 486650 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi de67
< 1791112875 373479 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi yayimheretoo
< 1791112884 821827 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok wow
< 1791112888 719781 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive always been here..
< 1791112891 98564 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi MarkFan8901
< 1791112907 582047 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi de67 
< 1791112908 138269 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :☺
< 1791112956 954428 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: sure sure
< 1791113034 546403 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ PRIVMSG #esolangs :why so many NAND languages but no NOR languages :(
< 1791113048 655853 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :PkmnQ NAND is more popular than nor
< 1791113065 374576 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because people have skill issue
< 1791113068 516268 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :n
< 1791113070 32469 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmao
< 1791113079 694218 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think i remember wanting to make an oisc called NORZ
< 1791113082 794494 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :why no and languages:(
< 1791113091 793863 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :who nows maybe a NOR solution exists for Bitch, Ienai!
< 1791113093 879090 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it ended up becomming a command in a user edited language
< 1791113104 46219 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Markfan8901: because its USELESS /j
< 1791113108 158127 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :XAND better
< 1791113117 897991 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :xnot*
< 1791113131 130342 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :what about xrelay
< 1791113418 168516 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :gosh so we have a strong base
< 1791113423 122068 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but now we need to make it actually interesting
< 1791113542 25949 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i love xnor so much
< 1791113557 313158 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :its like bitwise check for equality
< 1791113569 227994 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :true
< 1791113572 222520 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :returns 1 if 2 bits are equal, returns 0 otherwise
> 1791114198 682230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nandcode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197267&oldid=197266 5* 03Benjaminfberger 5* (-29) 10
< 1791114227 731321 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :HA
< 1791114234 187717 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ChimeraAnova: they got rid of your ai generated tag
< 1791114290 45406 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: I didn't place one
< 1791114300 607970 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :That was de67
< 1791114308 863469 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait ya we got you two mixed up
< 1791114326 114556 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't categorize pages as AI slop unless I'm absolutely positively sure and that's very rare (only happened once)
< 1791114337 729386 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait no
< 1791114341 934715 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually
< 1791114344 876657 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :50/50
< 1791114351 484812 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk
> 1791114363 586416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nandcode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197268&oldid=197267 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+29) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/197267|197267]] by [[Special:Contributions/Benjaminfberger|Benjaminfberger]] ([[User talk:Benjaminfberger|talk]]) the page was obviously written by an llm
< 1791114376 196977 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rapid response times
> 1791114416 506347 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197269&oldid=197262 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+0) 10/* Rules */ use ** isntead of :*
< 1791114482 976549 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? locale
< 1791114486 998789 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Locales are just frames, which are just complete Heyting algebras. Taneb accidentally invented them by asking about lattices. The one true locale in #esolangs is en_NZ.UTF-8.
< 1791114494 569356 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yoooo
< 1791114515 775615 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :YOU CANT QUIT ME IRC. so yea just needed to do that so I dont time out
< 1791114615 167052 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed
< 1791114624 918536 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that aged poorly
< 1791114665 72791 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] yayimheretoo
< 1791114666 405350 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :irc got them
< 1791114667 44135 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nvm
< 1791114686 825841 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: have you considered installing an irc client?
< 1791114700 250776 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :itll have a much more stable connection than any web irc client
< 1791114705 12766 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ChimeraAnova: *her
< 1791114719 99195 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: my computer wont have no space
< 1791114751 333266 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait what do you use then?
< 1791114751 542457 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how small your hard drive has to be to not have any space at all???
< 1791114758 262399 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ChimeraAnova: web client
< 1791114759 596868 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh right
< 1791114764 598433 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I somehow skipped a line
< 1791114765 618249 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think she uses gamja specifically
< 1791114777 587716 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use libera
< 1791114781 165243 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :kiwi irc?
< 1791114785 469357 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the web one)
< 1791114794 810540 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: libera is an irc network, not a web client
< 1791114796 799966 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: I mean idk how large an irc client is
< 1791114808 551217 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: it should be pretty small
< 1791114809 717998 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: well then idfk
< 1791114822 429611 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: idk maybe I will then
< 1791114823 458895 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimhere: are you using the kiwi one or the grey one?
< 1791114837 797297 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :errrrm. kiwi? prolly?
< 1791114855 706766 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: what do you see when its loading?
< 1791114865 424971 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there a kiwi?
< 1791114872 241820 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :we want kiwis now
< 1791114877 421114 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres a kiwi as the icon next to thhefan
< 1791114879 451539 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also i just realized that kiwi is an annagram for wiki
> 1791114889 252085 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Eekee14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197270&oldid=197252 5* 03Eekee 5* (+118) 10fix floopy minor edit
< 1791114900 705299 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: then youre using kiwi irc
< 1791114905 319053 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is a web client
< 1791114905 357967 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Markfan8901: ok, KiwiFan8901, AKA PancakeFan8901 /j
< 1791114910 352909 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: great
< 1791114912 405120 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1791114931 314571 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yayimheretoo: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1791114932 484992 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :WAAAAAAAA
< 1791114941 639899 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs : /playful
> 1791115005 55893 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nandcode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197271&oldid=197268 5* 03Benjaminfberger 5* (+117) 10Add disclaimer
< 1791115011 592890 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey markfan, could you join the esolanging wiki please? it would make me happy. and then also you can edit the constraint language history page
< 1791115037 700416 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would make me happy too!
< 1791115079 687230 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :olay
< 1791115096 405060 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, i just realized that none of what im doing matters since eventually fungot will set everything on fire anyway
< 1791115096 626452 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :de67: that has uber fnord? args) ( for-each display ' ( 1 2 3) using bfbasic, 4)
< 1791115110 124908 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot
< 1791115110 229409 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :ChimeraAnova: we want superb html support
< 1791115116 144601 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes!
< 1791115116 509013 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we already have that
< 1791115118 156976 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but 
< 1791115127 787967 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :only thing we dont have is html recognition as program language
< 1791115546 939413 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 QUIT :Quit: Client closed
> 1791115608 585750 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197272&oldid=197197 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+1038) 10
< 1791115639 290610 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine
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> 1791118151 462900 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ceremonial14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197273&oldid=197076 5* 03BlueHaunter 5* (+17) 10
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< 1791119320 287594 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi:)
< 1791119340 561172 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw Markfan8901 im near discovering a solution. how is u doing?
< 1791119352 818459 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :als I like the fact you brought back u(I saw your sandbox)
> 1791119543 909334 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitch, Ienai!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197274&oldid=197269 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+87) 10/* Rules */
> 1791120319 454675 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197275&oldid=197253 5* 03IMakeTerribleEsolangDecisions 5* (+275) 10/* Introductions */
> 1791120343 285532 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:IMakeTerribleEsolangDecisions14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=197276 5* 03IMakeTerribleEsolangDecisions 5* (+410) 10Created page with "= IMakeTerribleEsolangDecisions = As the name suggests, I make ridiculously terrible Esolangs, terrible only for the programmer. == New to me? == You can find my worst one here: [https://www.google.com/searchq?=Not+here+ye
> 1791120409 95559 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:IMakeTerribleEsolangDecisions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197277&oldid=197276 5* 03IMakeTerribleEsolangDecisions 5* (+0) 10
> 1791120454 520140 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:IMakeTerribleEsolangDecisions14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197278&oldid=197277 5* 03IMakeTerribleEsolangDecisions 5* (+10) 10
> 1791120799 68237 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ceremonial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197279&oldid=197273 5* 03BlueHaunter 5* (+15083) 10
> 1791121066 154647 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ceremonial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197280&oldid=197279 5* 03BlueHaunter 5* (+680) 10
> 1791121685 526396 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Checkers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197281&oldid=197212 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+41) 10
> 1791121693 391177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ceremonial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197282&oldid=197280 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+29) 10/* Drawing a Shape in Ceremonial (graphics test + drawing a window) */ tag slop
> 1791121747 371463 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Checkers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197283&oldid=197281 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-65) 10
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> 1791122210 987524 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03BlueHaunter 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Cmnl5.png10]]"
> 1791122401 667738 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ceremonial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197285&oldid=197282 5* 03BlueHaunter 5* (-804) 10
> 1791122516 345773 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03IMakeTerribleEsolangDecisions 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:This is 1 way to be asked questions.png10]]"
> 1791122540 57520 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ChuckEsoteric0814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197287&oldid=196977 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+13) 10
> 1791122543 910619 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Tekst14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197288&oldid=197233 5* 03None1 5* (+311) 10
< 1791123031 24194 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
> 1791123517 613573 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07X strike14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197289&oldid=164833 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+13) 10I am sure if arguments could be only positive then it would be TC only if it allowed negative integers as data
> 1791123795 588577 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nandcode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197290&oldid=197271 5* 03Benjaminfberger 5* (+66) 10Clarify that the language is not turing complete.
> 1791123931 182471 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ChuckEsoteric0814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197291&oldid=197287 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-44) 10Actually 5++ is basically Dranoer but with "if not zero" removed
> 1791124875 70696 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Book of Truth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197292&oldid=175257 5* 03 5* (+76) 10Categorization.
> 1791125687 623042 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ASCII14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197293&oldid=189457 5* 03Qazwsxplm 5* (+204) 10
> 1791125981 48739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ASCII14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197294&oldid=197293 5* 03Qazwsxplm 5* (+40) 10
> 1791126159 984376 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ASCII14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197295&oldid=197294 5* 03Qazwsxplm 5* (+0) 10
> 1791126645 427222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[075++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197296&oldid=173989 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+1646) 10It is Turing-complete
> 1791126688 408557 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ChuckEsoteric0814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197297&oldid=197291 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+9) 10/* Turing-completness Proofs */
> 1791126761 224597 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Blashyrkh/Golf/Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197298&oldid=197070 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+1957) 10/* Lazy K - Quine */ Much smaller with right fold lists (2523 > 1875)
> 1791126839 979590 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Blashyrkh/Golf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197299&oldid=197042 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+22) 10Shorter [[Quine]] @ [[Lazy K]] (2523 > 1875)
> 1791127002 532700 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[075++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197300&oldid=197296 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+5) 10/* Computational class */
> 1791129067 591395 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Blashyrkh/Golf/Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197301&oldid=197298 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+0) 10/* 1875 bytes */ Now exit code=0, same size
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> 1791131393 875332 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Blashyrkh/Golf/Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197302&oldid=197301 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+1894) 10/* Lazy K - Quine */ 1875 > 1755
> 1791131522 397461 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Blashyrkh/Golf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197303&oldid=197299 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+22) 10Shorter [[Quine]] @ [[Lazy K]] (1875 > 1755)
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> 1791131959 719698 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unrandom14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197304&oldid=192558 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+37) 10
> 1791131969 887350 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere/Solve114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=197305 5* 03Yayimhere2(school) 5* (+376) 10Created page with "entities are 4-tuples: {{cd|(S,,,{(),(),(),(),(),(),(),...},{,,,,,,,,...})}}<br>  is value,  is transform. An entity is {{cd|MT}} until its {{cd|}} or {{cd|}} is put inside another entity, in which it becomes {{cd|VT}}. If the function that made 
> 1791131992 892867 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Non-Random14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197306&oldid=190890 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+35) 10
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< 1791132079 989398 :yayimheretoo!~yayimhere@94.147.203.75 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi again!!!
> 1791132383 254484 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[075++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197307&oldid=197300 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+0) 10/* Computational class */
< 1791133394 178014 :impomatic!~impomatic@lock-04-b2-v4wan-171175-cust377.vm10.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic
< 1791133443 61549 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname
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> 1791135979 487278 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Zzo38/Untitled 614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197308&oldid=197150 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+71) 10
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> 1791136603 247500 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Checkers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197309&oldid=197283 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-274) 10/* Computational class */  don't think that is needed
< 1791137175 94684 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.109.176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :good morning
> 1791137319 775606 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Monky14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197310&oldid=185253 5* 03Menguinponky 5* (-28) 10
> 1791137520 152708 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Monky14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197311&oldid=197310 5* 03Menguinponky 5* (-28) 10
< 1791138398 452728 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name JOIN #esolangs APic :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149
> 1791139230 727965 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nandcode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197312&oldid=197290 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+103) 10re-tag slop w/ comment
> 1791139893 397357 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Monky14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197313&oldid=197311 5* 03Menguinponky 5* (-4) 10
> 1791140142 132243 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Monky14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197314&oldid=197313 5* 03Menguinponky 5* (-26) 10
> 1791140231 745288 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Monky14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197315&oldid=197314 5* 03Menguinponky 5* (+3) 10
> 1791140325 451140 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Monky14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197316&oldid=197315 5* 03Menguinponky 5* (-97) 10
> 1791140388 791602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Monky14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197317&oldid=197316 5* 03Menguinponky 5* (-85) 10
> 1791140467 440810 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Monky14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197318&oldid=197317 5* 03Menguinponky 5* (+29) 10
> 1791140619 118688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Monky14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197319&oldid=197318 5* 03Menguinponky 5* (-15) 10
> 1791140665 334238 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Monky14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197320&oldid=197319 5* 03Menguinponky 5* (-50) 10
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< 1791142023 92955 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)
< 1791142319 854510 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not totally sure Inthon isn't an esolang, some of the language features are bizarre (such as explicit syntax to spawn subagents)
< 1791142349 224383 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(as opposed to Tekst which appears to be a practice language with no esoteric features)
> 1791142382 80097 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Angelfrick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197321&oldid=188924 5* 03Acidbytes.h 5* (-29) 10
< 1791142390 299168 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, the Inthon page is written in an especially commercialized/advertisey sort of way
> 1791142425 286295 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Angelfrick--14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197322&oldid=188926 5* 03Acidbytes.h 5* (-29) 10
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< 1791146044 169506 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :cu
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> 1791148531 189737 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Rock Pie 5*  10New user account
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> 1791149193 407395 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197323&oldid=197275 5* 03Rock Pie 5* (+358) 10Hello, world!
> 1791149572 611392 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Rock Pie14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=197324 5* 03Rock Pie 5* (+62) 10Created page with "hi  i programming  https://github.com/rock3tsprocket/stacklan/"
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> 1791152554 296724 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197325&oldid=197272 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+1182) 10
> 1791153754 33598 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197326&oldid=197325 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-10) 10
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< 1791154315 690314 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.36.182 NICK :sftp
< 1791154316 370559 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.36.182 CHGHOST ~sftp :user/sftp
< 1791154329 73742 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 JOIN #esolangs raiseafloppafan7 :ChimeraAnova
< 1791154490 134626 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] MarkFan8901
< 1791154552 475696 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ChimeraAnova: could you proofread our current description of our solution for [[Bitch, Ienai!]]
< 1791154562 760828 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :its @ [[User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox]]
> 1791154582 691967 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197327&oldid=197326 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+181) 10
< 1791154623 271371 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wdym proofread
< 1791154630 258087 :ChimeraAnova!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :What kind of proofreading
< 1791154633 607982 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :like read it to make sure it makes sense
< 1791154695 23610 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :pls ask questions about stuff that needs clarification
< 1791154701 918282 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@c-71-63-140-97.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(if you wanna ofc)
> 1791155321 49929 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197328&oldid=197327 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-11) 10
> 1791155405 620767 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197329&oldid=197328 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-21) 10
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> 1791155974 504628 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197330&oldid=197329 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+229) 10
> 1791156170 668500 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197331&oldid=197330 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (-5) 10
< 1791157004 611687 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit
> 1791158132 451977 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MarkFan8901/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=197332&oldid=197331 5* 03MarkFan8901 5* (+35) 10